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The central belief in Christianity is that Jesus Christ died for the sins of all mankind. Thus the path to Heaven and God is through Christ alone. Given that God sent His only begotten Son to save humanity, the event leading to Christ's crucifixion and death were anticipated. Many Christians still believe that the Jews killed Christ, using Romans (or others) to do the deed [1]. If the Jews were indeed responsible for killing Christ (I understand that this is NOT true), were they not doing God's bidding? After all, was not Christ's human sacrifice to save humanity from our sins? Why is that even after 2000 years, there is still simmering and often overt anti-semitism? And why is it that the children of Abraham - Jews, Christians and Muslims forget their common ancestry? kchittur

I've heard the same said about Judas-- that he made the ultimate sacrifice-- his own eternal soul in order to fulfill Jesus's plans. Or something like that. Also, I'm not sure if it's policy here, but it'd be helpful if you signed your posts with four tildes. IMFromKathlene 03:37, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

(Oops, yes, I should have signed my name - policy OR not ...I noticed that someone edited MY post (look above) by adding the reference to biblegateway - but he/she DID NOT sign his/her name - It is one thing not to sign your name to your own post, quite another (worse IMHO) to edit someone's and not take credit/blame - so whoever posted that reference to biblegate, 'fess up) kchittur 7:35, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Sorry! Thought this was an article page. Didn't realise it was folks comments. I thought the Discussion page was for that. I'm confused.

"If I be wicked, woe unto me; and if I be righteous, yet will I not lift up my head. I am full of confusion; therefore see thou mine affliction;" (Job 10:15)

BillyBoy 08:47, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

And your point is? kchittur 07:55, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

How do we reconcile these two passages?

No man hath seen God at any time (John 1:18) [2]

the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. (Exodus 33:11) [3] RobS 11:41, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Remember that the Living God is a Trinity. It is probable that Moses spoke to another member of the Trinity and not to God the Father, whom no one has ever seen.Bohdan 23:23, 31 March 2007 (EDT)

we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned....16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ. [4]

IOW, no nartural man hath seen God at any time. Moses had the mind of Christ. RobS 01:35, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

First we must define what a "Jew" is. An ethnicity, religion, or cultural group. Also, Semites aren't all Jews. A Semite is anyone who speaks a Semitic language. Semitic languages include: Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic, Maltese, Akkadian, and Tingrinya. neocorporatist

I have always felt such disgust when I hear the naive and ignorant spout "Jews killed my Christ!" Not only disgust at their blatant anti-Jewish sentiments, but at the most basic level I am disgusted by their complete ignorance. Saying "Jews killed Jesus" is rednered meaningless when one takesd into account the fact that Jesus was a Jew, living in Jewish lands, subject to Jewish law of the time (when it was convenient for Rome that is...). Some ignoramuses scream "The Jews killed Jesus!" to incite "righteous" indignation and scorn towards Jews when truth in fact stating "Jews killed Jesus" is no more poignant and special than saying "the British killed Oliver Cromwell." To put it simply, it is one big "DUH!" Jros83 21:37, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Listen! I'm prbably the only Jew on this site right now. Since the majority of you have brought up the whole Jews killed Jesus, I have to bring up the fact that the only people living in eretz yisrael at the time were Jews and romans. So please talk about something besides the bible, like the holocaust, for instance!-- user talk:Irish16

• Perhaps Fox (among others) will disagree with you! :p --Sysop-TK _/MyTalk 14:30, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Antisemitism is just another form of hatred of God.... Pandeism 22:22, 14 March 2008 (EDT)

no, its not its just another form of racism (usually)-Greenmeanie 23:07, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

I`m not even sure what Antisemitism spans from all I know is that its a hatred of Jewish people and its result, the holocaust and other rascist actions

• Liberal Christians are anti-Semitic. --RickD 11:04, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Maybe some are, but I know many liberal Christians that have no problems with Jews. I've only been subjected to antisemitism from some atheists. I am surrounded by both, there are pretty big differences. Sulli 12:22, 7 January 2009 (EST)

New Testament Speaks Highly of Jews

I argue the New Testament actually speaks very highly of Jews. As Jesus said, "salvation is of the Jews." (John 4:22) The early Christians didn't even believe Gentiles (non-Jews) could become Christians until Peter was shown otherwise. (Acts 10-11) Paul in Romans laid out the perfect case for what was going on, saying that:

• God hasn't cast away His people, since Paul himself was a Jew (so were the other Apostles). (vv. 1-2)
• There's a remnant left according to grace, but the rest are blinded. (vv. 4-10)
• They haven't stumbled to fall but rather that salvation might come to the Gentiles also, to make the unsaved Jews jealous. (vv. 11-12)
• Paul is, as the Apostle of the Gentiles, urging them to help save the Jews. (vv. 13-15)
• The Jews are the original branches of God's olive tree, Gentiles are just graffed in, and should not "boast against the branches". (vv. 16-22)
• If they abide not in unbelief they can be graffed into what is more naturally their inheritance than the Gentiles. (vv. 23-24)
• As the prophet said, all Israel will one day be saved when Jesus returns again, for out of Zion will come a Deliver to turn away ungodliness from Jacob. (vv. 25-27)
• Concerning the election, Jews are beloved for their fathers' sakes. (vv. 28-29)
• Gentiles have obtained mercy through the unbelief of Jews, whereby God extended salvation to all. Yet God wants Gentiles to now be merciful and preach to the Jews so they too can be saved, "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all." (vv. 30-32)

Much of the confusion comes from the book of John, where the Pharisees are often called "the Jews". However, the New Testament actually speaks very highly of the Jewish people, saying they loved Jesus and John the Baptist so much the Pharisees feared to move against Jesus and John the Baptist "because they feared the people". (Matthew 14:5; 21:26,46; 26:4-5; Mark 11:18,32; 12:12; 14:1-2; Luke 20:19; 22:2; John 11:47-48) The Jewish people also supported the Apostles so that both the Romans and Pharisees feared to move against them. (Acts 4:26)

--Jzyehoshua 18:49, 20 July 2012 (EDT)