Debate:Was Jesus born in the right time and place?
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Jesus, like all of us, was born at a time that best suited the plans of the Grand Architect. It is not God's fault we cannot yet understand those plans. Everwill 13:59, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
Everwill: you are an idiot. There is no god. Jesus was a man. Stop reading the bible: it is not the plan of a grand architect. We make our own world. You yourself were not born at a time which suited anyone. You were born at the time you were born, as was I, as was every one of us. No plan. No design. Get over it. It's OK, it's not scary.
- Are you kidding. There were many children named Jesus born about that time and place. Just pick one and apply the prevailing myths of the day to his life a wallaaa instant cult.Rebiu 22:58, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
don't know how can I put a third choice here, so I put it here
I don't think anyone is qualified to answer this except for God the father, He choose the time and place Jesus to be born in His plan from eternity.
Same goes for the question "is xyz saved"? Or "How about those who never heard of Jesus"? Only God the father knows.(Kmcheng 00:12, 31 March 2010 (EDT))
Israel in 4 B.C. had no mass communication. Don't you get me wrong, though. --Ed Poor 08:49, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
- (I only want to know) Human 13:21, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
So if Jesus was born at the wrong time (4 B.C.), does this mean you think God made a mistake? --eyupdutch
- I think that if we were to say "Jesus was born at the wrong time", we could immediately assume due to God's infallibility that our reasons for saying it are wrong. Taking the example above, there must be a reason why the era of mass communication was not chosen for His incarnation. We might never know it, though. This argument really belongs above under "Yes", but I wrote it as an answer here. Human 13:21, 15 April 2007 (EDT)
- A point well made. As an atheist, I was using it as an example for the possible fallibility of God (Or Gods in general). Assuming his infallibility there must have been some reason why he chose to allow the rest of the world to live in ignorance until a sucession of violent empires spread (and continue to spread) his message of peace and love throughout the world. Rather than choosing to do it peacefully in an era of mass communication. I can't rationallise what this reason could possibly have been though... eyupdutch 16 April 2007 09:38 (BST)
- We could really use Jesus again right now... why only one visit? - BornAgainBrit
- I'm not an expert on this, but isn't He supposed to return one more time? And as to the theology of "We could use Him now", isn't he "with" anyone/everyone who accepts Him into their hearts as their saviour? I guess there are also many stories in the Bible of the challenges to Faith and the obstacles in the Faithfuls' walk. But as to your basic sentiment, yeah, I don't really think there has ever been a time that wouldn't possibly have been made better by His incarnate presence. Human 11:41, 16 April 2007 (EDT)
Even when talking about Jesus, scripture is garbage. For example, the gospels of Matthew and Luke give two different lineages between David and Jesus (28 and 47, resp.) Also, they make reference to a census by Caesar Augustus around the time of Mary and Joseph's move to Bethlehem, but this never happened (There was a census by Qurinius, but it was in 6 AD). Also, in order for Jesus to be the messiah, he needs to be directly descended from David (Joseph's side), but if Mary was a virgin, how could Jesus fulfil the prophecy and actually be the messiah? Case in point, I'd be surprised if anything in scripture is accurate. [[AdamNelson 22:50, 17 April 2007 (EDT)]]
Jesus will return, but he will not return as the peaceful, forgiving person he did come as. He will come in justice. AdamNelson has never read the Bible accurately. Just because two accounts of Jesus say different things does not mean that they are contradictory. For example: I saw the fireman working on a fire. I saw the police man making an arrest near the gas station. If you were to then say that both were true, then it would seem that there was a contradiction. However many times in the Bible, you have to take into account that such instances in the Bible are complimentary, rather than contradictory. In my example, to show how those two instances could be complimentary, look: I saw the fireman working on working on a fire in the gas station, while the police officer arrested a suspect. In Christ; TheComputerWizard 14:07, 11 June 2007 (EDT)
Jesus Christ, 'The Computer Wizard" (and have you ever thought about getting a nomme de plume that isn't rubbish)will you get a Life? Stop reading the bible: it's balls. Jesus Christ will not come again. There is no god. Wake up. We make our own world. Start talking to people without the bible as an intermediary. Honestly!
Larner, I don't really understand why you're on this website. You're an atheistic bigot who is trying to force his beliefs, while not providing any evidence, on others. I don't get it. As an atheist, your life has no meaning so why should you be concerned about the lives of others? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by RianB (talk)
Israel is given 490 years.
Daniel 9:24 "Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city-" Daniel 9:25-26 "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.'
Israel's decreed period of time will be interupted at 483 years. 483 years after this Decree is given to Ezra by Artaxerxes, B.C.457. 27A.D. Jesus begins ministering to Israel. He is rejected by Israel. The promise of salvation is opened to gentile nations until...
Daniel 9:27 "He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven'.
Israel's final seven years occurs after a period of time marked by war and desolation and ending with a 7 year covenant with the final ruler of this current age. Daniels foretold Israel's demise almost 500 years before it happened in 70 A.D. as well as it's final 7 years that are yet to soon happen. The timing of the birth, death, resurrection, ascension, and second coming of Jesus fullfills the Word of God. Every book is in perfect concordance with this up to this point of time. This is only one example out of hundreds of revealed truths that some don't want you to know about that are contained within the Judeo-Christian Bible.--Roopilots6 10:49, 1 October 2007 (EDT)
The Real Question
The real question is not IF Jesus was born at the correct time and place. It is WHY WAS HE born at that particular time and place. If we can answer that, then I feel we may understand more.--CainR 14:20, 28 September 2010 (EDT)