https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&feed=atom&action=historyDebate:What is the Sabbath day? - Revision history2024-03-19T11:31:50ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.24.2https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&diff=1133418&oldid=prevKennywillb at 19:47, January 19, 20152015-01-19T19:47:10Z<p></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I agree with DanH. Another misused law from the old covenant is the Sabbath law. There are certain groups that insist we must keep the Sabbath to be pleasing to God. These groups teach that you are sinning if you meet on Sunday (1st day of the week) instead of Saturday (7th day). It is true that Saturday is the 7th day and under the old covenant this is the day that Israel was commanded to rest in observance of God creating everything in six days and His resting on the 7th day. We will see that the Sabbath is a shadow of Jesus; the Sabbath required that the people of Israel rest from their work in observance of the work of creation performed by God. It is teaching us to rest in the work of Christ which brings about the new creation of us. This new creation takes place when we are born again or born from above. The true picture is that the Sabbath is not about resting on a day but it is relying on the fact that we rest and have confidence in the work of Jesus for our righteousness and acceptance with our Father. Jesus is the True Sabbath; rest in all that He has accomplished for you, for this is the Sabbath that God intended for you from the beginning. The only alternative to resting in Christ and His work is death; He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life; the only access we have to God. </ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Kennywillbhttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&diff=677343&oldid=prevRedsox70707 at 20:19, June 22, 20092009-06-22T20:19:55Z<p></p>
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</table>Redsox70707https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&diff=206619&oldid=prevInHisImage at 18:04, June 23, 20072007-06-23T18:04:58Z<p></p>
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</table>InHisImagehttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&diff=155339&oldid=prevDjconklin at 13:07, May 11, 20072007-05-11T13:07:50Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says:  Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says:  Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Djconklinhttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&diff=155337&oldid=prevDjconklin at 13:06, May 11, 20072007-05-11T13:06:41Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says:  Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says:  Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Djconklinhttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&diff=155334&oldid=prevDjconklin at 13:05, May 11, 20072007-05-11T13:05:05Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday.  Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate.  It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept.  First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws.  If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness.  Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''.  In other words,  ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep.  However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''.      Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath.  It began as historical  day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody.  I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56).  The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11.      Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons.  First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good.  Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through.  We need time to heal and to rebuild.  More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday.  Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate.  It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept.  First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws.  If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness.  Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''.  In other words,  ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep.  However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''.      Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath.  It began as historical  day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody.  I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56).  The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11.      Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons.  First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good.  Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through.  We need time to heal and to rebuild.  More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Djconklinhttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&diff=155331&oldid=prevDjconklin: add my own comments2007-05-11T13:02:54Z<p>add my own comments</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Really the Sabbath Day is any day that the Lord has deemed as Holy. The original holy day was the day that God rested. Jews believe this to be Saturday while Christians like to think of it as Sunday. It could be either it's more likely to be Saturday since the Christian calender has been altered so many times over the centries.[[User: Dfairlyxed13|Dfairlyxed13]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Really the Sabbath Day is any day that the Lord has deemed as Holy. The original holy day was the day that God rested. Jews believe this to be Saturday while Christians like to think of it as Sunday. It could be either it's more likely to be Saturday since the Christian calender has been altered so many times over the centries.[[User: Dfairlyxed13|Dfairlyxed13]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday.  Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate.  It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept.  First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws.  If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness.  Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''.  In other words,  ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep.  However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''.      Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath.  It began as historical  day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody.  I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56).  The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11.      Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons.  First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good.  Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through.  We need time to heal and to rebuild.  More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday.  Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate.  It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept.  First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws.  If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness.  Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''.  In other words,  ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep.  However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''.      Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath.  It began as historical  day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody.  I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56).  The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11.      Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons.  First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good.  Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through.  We need time to heal and to rebuild.  More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says:  Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>My view is that Christians have leeway to do whatever they want on the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16-17 says:  Do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:50, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Djconklinhttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&diff=131729&oldid=prevDanH at 17:50, April 27, 20072007-04-27T17:50:36Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday.  Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate.  It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept.  First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws.  If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness.  Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''.  In other words,  ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep.  However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''.      Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath.  It began as historical  day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody.  I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56).  The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11.      Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons.  First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good.  Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through.  We need time to heal and to rebuild.  More later. 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[Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday.  Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate.  It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept.  First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws.  If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness.  Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''.  In other words,  ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep.  However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''.      Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath.  It began as historical  day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody.  I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56).  The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11.      Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons.  First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good.  Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through.  We need time to heal and to rebuild.  More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>DanHhttps://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate:What_is_the_Sabbath_day%3F&diff=131723&oldid=prevPetrarcah at 17:49, April 27, 20072007-04-27T17:49:06Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday.  Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate.  It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept.  First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws.  If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness.  Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''.  In other words,  ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep.  However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''.      Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath.  It began as historical  day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody.  I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56).  The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11.      Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons.  First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good.  Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through.  We need time to heal and to rebuild.  More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I agree with the above--that the Sabbath was initially instituted as the seventh day of the week as recorded in the Old Testament, and that it was Saturday.  Now whether it remains to be Saturday or has been changed to Sunday is up for debate.  It is also up for debate whether the Sabbath should still be kept.  First of all, I think that it is more important to keep the spirit of the law over the letter; in other words, I think that it is more important to demonstrate love to all people than to keep all the laws.  If one keeps all the laws, they keep them for themselves in a sense--either demonstrating, or attesting thier righteousness.  Unless ofcourse it is the laws that pertain to the gracious treatment of others such as ''loving thy neighbor, not commiting adultery, not stealing, nor lying, nor falsely testifying''.  In other words,  ''"treating others the way that you would like them to treat you"'' These are all good commands to keep.  However, I believe that it is impossible to attain a righteousness without love which would properly prepare one for heaven. This is attested in 1 Corinthians when the Apostle Paul basically says that one could perform all kinds of various acts of ''love and kindness'' to others that would be basically useless or worthless if not done in ''the spirit of love''.      Now concerning the fourth commandment--the Sabbath.  It began as historical  day of rest and as a commandment from God or Yahweh to Moses--the Leader of the Israelites around 1500 BC, to be observed by everybody.  I believe that "This day was affirmed in the New Testament while Jesus was in the Earth after his crucifixion, "[the disciples] rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23.56).  The fact that the Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament in the context of Jesus' death and resurrection not only affirms the Sabbath as still being efficacious for believers, but it also affirms the day as the Seventh since it says "according to the commandment", namely the fourth commandment-- "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it" (Exod. 20.11.      Now concerning my own thoughts, I think that it is good to keep the Sabbath for several reasons.  First of all, it is good to keep it because of the commandment, so it must be good.  Secondly, I think that our bodies, minds, and spirits need to have a break every week from the stresses and strains that we go through.  We need time to heal and to rebuild.  More later. Feel free to respond. [Petrarcah]<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">--[[User:Petrarcah|Petrarcah]] 13:48, 27 April 2007 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>
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