Debate: Could Christian denominations exist without the Catholic Church?

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Could Christian denominations exist without the Catholic Church? If it were not for Jesus's Church, would the other denominations ever exist?


The Eastern Orthodox Church is doing OK. The Roman Catholic Church split off from the earlier church , so its existence wasn't really necessary. There were bound to be break off sects in time. There is an element of contention about the validity of these as true Christian churches Markr 23:03, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Catholicism in its current form didn't exist until the 4th century B.C. Other Christian groups existed earlier than Catholicism or began at about the same time like the Montanists, Arians, Donatists, and Novations, and got persecuted by Catholicism. Catholicism appears to have been an attempt by the Roman Empire to continue persecuting the real Christians by declaring "Christianity" a state religion the same way the government of China has today to destroy the real Christian churches. That way it removes popular appeal for Christianity, allowing the real Christians to now be exterminated as "heretics" in justification, and lets the Romans preserve their pagan traditions like Christmas and Easter in the guise of "Christianity". Worshiping a "Queen of Heaven" (what Catholicism calls Mary) through Mass is actually a pagan idolatry recorded in the book of Jeremiah:

The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. Jeremiah 7:18 (KJV)

But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine. And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men? Then Jeremiah said unto all the people, to the men, and to the women, and to all the people which had given him that answer, saying, The incense that ye burned in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem, ye, and your fathers, your kings, and your princes, and the people of the land, did not the LORD remember them, and came it not into his mind? So that the LORD could no longer bear, because of the evil of your doings, and because of the abominations which ye have committed; therefore is your land a desolation, and an astonishment, and a curse, without an inhabitant, as at this day. Jeremiah 44:18-22 (KJV)

Catholicism persecuted many of the real Christian groups through the centuries, long before the Reformation, like the Montanists, Donatists, Novatians, Arians, Waldenses, Paulicians, Henricians, Albigenses, and Cathar. Catholicism in no way resembles the peaceful New Testament Church seen in the book of Acts which emphasized caring for the poor, tolerant debate with pagans, and humble poverty. None of its major doctrines appear remotely Biblical, and in many cases are directly contrary to what the Bible says. As seen from Revelation 17-18, it appears to be a creation of Satan and a merge of the original Roman and Jewish leaders who killed Jesus. --Joshua Zambrano 03:59, 5 September 2012 (EDT)


No way, the other denominations owe your religion to Catholicism.--jpatt 20:44, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Not as we know them

The Jehovah's Witnesses are an example of a group that has tried to work from 'first principles', without building on the tradition started by the Roman Catholic Church. They differ from other Christian denominations in a lot of ways - in the whole structure of their religious practice - so I think that without Catholicism, Christianity would be very different (though not necessarily like Jehovah's Witnesses).--CPalmer 11:01, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Is the Pope Jewish, There is your answer