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'''Old Earth Creationism''' is the belief that God created the universe and the world billions of years ago.
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"...if they were nothing more than mere vandals, I would never have contacted the FBI."[1]
Old Earth Creationists do not all agree on the extent of the [[Great Flood|Noachian flood]], although many maintain that it was a local flood.<ref>Ross, Hugh, [http://www.reasons.org/resources/faf/1990_v4n4_q4/index.shtml#let_us_reason Let Us Reason: The Waters of the Flood] ''Facts & Faith'', Volume 4, No. 4, Winter 1990.</ref>
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== General ==
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Brian Macdonald, alias Karajou, is one of the most active Conservapedia generals admirals swabbies and a disgusting pile of flotsam in the waters of life. He possesses the strength, fury, intellect and ruthlessness of a hurricane.
  
Old Earth [[Creationism|Creationists]] hold to view of the Biblical book of Genesis that allows for an old earth <ref>http://www.answersincreation.org/question.htm</ref>.
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Karajou is one of the best busiest troll-destructor sysops at Conservapedia, as his method involves automatic blocking of users who may happen to live near where a previous suspect has left their mark; the drawback of this onslaught is a bit too much collateral damage. To fix this, he has refused to enable his email checkbox, effectively forcing editors to bother contact somebody else instead. As of 28/01/08, he has claimed twelve /16 IP's souls, preventing Conservapedia from growing rapidly and the truth from setting you free.
Dr. [[Norman Geisler]] wrote that "both young- and old-earthers who are [[evangelical]] hold to the historicity of the Genesis account: They believe that Adam and Eve were literal people, the progenitors of the entire human race."
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Dr. Geisler also wrote concerning young earth creationist and old earth creationist the following: "Both groups are also agreed in their opposition to [[naturalism]], which they see as the philosophical [[presupposition]] of [[theory of evolution|evolution]]." <ref>http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/science/SC0305W3.htm</ref>
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Proponents of Old Earth Creationism include [[Hugh Ross]], David Snoke, Greg Neyman, Francis Schaeffer, and Norman Geisler. <ref>http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/notable_leaders/index.shtml</ref>
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Reading comprehension is not his forte; much like RobSmith, debating with Karajou often leaves the impression that he isn't really aware of what you're saying, much less able to comprehend the logic behind it. But unlike Rob, Karajou is likely to become very angry that anyone has dared question him. He doesn't like being called Kowardjou, either.
 
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==Rich diversity of views==
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There are a wide number of views of creationism starting from the literal understanding of [[Young Earth Creationism]], through the [[Gap theory]] and [[Day age creationism]] and ending with [[Theistic evolution]].
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Old Earth creationists frequently, though not always, hold views which are more in keeping with those which are held by naturalistic scientists.  For example believers in the [[Gap theory]] maintain that there was a gap of millions or billions or years between [[Genesis]] 1:1 and Genesis 1:2.  Believers in [[Progressive Creationism]] or the "day age" idea believe that each "day" of creation lasted a thousand years or more.  Believers in [[Theistic Evolution]] go even further in trying to harmonize the Bible to naturalistic views.
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== Criticism ==
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Meanwhile [[Young Earth creationism|Young-Earth creationists]] hold that belief in an old Earth is frequently based on extra-biblical sources, not on the Bible.  For example:
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{{QuoteBox|If an old earth were really the teaching of Scripture, then one claim is glaringly conspicuous by its absence, that is, any claim in commentaries that the Bible ''unambiguously teaches'' long ages.  Rather, the usual claim is that the biblical text appears on the surface to teach a young earth but ''may allow for'' an old earth.&mdash;[[Jonathan Sarfati]]<ref>Sarfati, Jonathan, ''Refuting Compromise'', Master Books, March 2004, p.55.  Emphasis in original.</ref>}}
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{{QuoteBox|It is apparent that the most straightforward understanding of Genesis, without regard to the hermeneutical considerations suggested by science, is that God created the heavens and the earth in six solar days, that man was created on the sixth day, and that death and chaos entered the world after the fall of Adam and Eve, and that all fossils were the result of the catastrophic deluge that spared only Noah’s family and the animals therewith.&mdash;[[Pattle Pun]]<ref>Pun, P.P.T., ''Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation'' 39:14, 1987; quoted by Creation Ministries International[http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4155].</ref>}}
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{{QuoteBox|From a superficial reading, the impression received is that the entire creative process took place in six twenty-four hour days. If this was the true intent of the Hebrew author (a questionable deduction, as will be presently shown), this seems to run counter to modern scientific research, which indicates that the planet Earth was created several billion years ago.&mdash;[[Gleason Archer]]<ref>Archer, G.L., ''A Survey of Old Testament Introduction'', Moody, Chicago, p. 187, 1985; quoted  by Creation Ministries International[http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4154].</ref>}}
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{{QuoteBox|It is of course admitted that, taking this account [Genesis] by itself, it would be most natural to understand the word [day] in its ordinary sense; but if that sense brings the Mosaic account into conflict with facts, [millions of years] and another sense avoids such conflict, then it is obligatory on us to adopt that other.&mdash;[[Charles Hodge]]<ref>Hodge, C., ''Systematic Theology'', Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, MI, USA, pp. 570–571, 1997; quoted by Creation Ministries International[http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/4166] (their parenthetical insertions).</ref>}}
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{{QuoteBox|[C]onfessedly, it would not have been as readily deduced from the Genesis text had it not been for the evidences advanced by secular science.&mdash;J. Barton Payne<ref>J. B. Payne, ''The Theology of the Older Testament'', (Grand Rapids, MI, Zondervan, 1972, p.136); quoted in Sarfati, Jonathan, "Refuting Compromise", Master Books, March 2004</ref>}}
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{{QuoteBox|We have to admit here [concerning those who take the six days of Creation as literal days] that the exegetical basis [the arguments from the words of Scripture] of the creationists is strong. … In spite of the careful biblical and scientific research that has accumulated in support of the creationists’ view, there are problems that make the theory wrong to most (including many evangelical) scientists. … Data from various disciplines point to a very old earth and even older universe.’&mdash;James Montgomery Boice<ref>Montgomery Boice, J.L., ''Genesis: An Expositional Commentary'', Zondervan Publishing House, Michigan, 1:57–62, 1982; quoted by [[Ken Ham|Ham, Ken]], [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/324/#r5 The big picture], ''Creation'' 23(2):16–18, March 2001 (their insertions in square parentheses).</ref>}}
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==External links==
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===Old Earth Creationism Ministries===
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* [http://www.reasons.org Reasons to Believe]
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* [http://www.answersincreation.org Answers in Creation]
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* [http://www.godandscience.org Godandscience.org]
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=== Criticism of Old Earth Creationism by Young Earth Creationists ===
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[http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/2080 Jonathan Sarfati addresses Old Earth Claims]
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===Evidence for an Old Earth===
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[http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/yeclaims.html Old Earth Evidence from an OEC]
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{{Creation vs. evolution}}
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==References==
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[[Category:Creationism]]
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Revision as of 21:26, May 26, 2010

"...if they were nothing more than mere vandals, I would never have contacted the FBI."[1]

Brian Macdonald, alias Karajou, is one of the most active Conservapedia generals admirals swabbies and a disgusting pile of flotsam in the waters of life. He possesses the strength, fury, intellect and ruthlessness of a hurricane.

Karajou is one of the best busiest troll-destructor sysops at Conservapedia, as his method involves automatic blocking of users who may happen to live near where a previous suspect has left their mark; the drawback of this onslaught is a bit too much collateral damage. To fix this, he has refused to enable his email checkbox, effectively forcing editors to bother contact somebody else instead. As of 28/01/08, he has claimed twelve /16 IP's souls, preventing Conservapedia from growing rapidly and the truth from setting you free.

Reading comprehension is not his forte; much like RobSmith, debating with Karajou often leaves the impression that he isn't really aware of what you're saying, much less able to comprehend the logic behind it. But unlike Rob, Karajou is likely to become very angry that anyone has dared question him. He doesn't like being called Kowardjou, either.