Talk:Anti-Semitism

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Gotta say, the idea that antisemitism is "the driving force behind the anti-Iraq War movement" is crap, and to promote that idea here is irresponsible.--WJThomas 14:07, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

The cites on the page say so. And not just the anti-War movement, the 9/11 Truthers, too. RobS 14:14, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
The cites may say so but it's still crap. For the vast majority of Americans opposed either to the war in general or to the way it's been conducted, it has nothing to do with Israel. Murray 14:17, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
Mel Gibson expressed it all. RobS 14:21, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
I'm not allowed to engage in discussions, so I won't tell you what I think--unless asked.PalMDtalk 14:23, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
Please express a thoughtful and non-sarcastic opinion on the topic, Peter. --Ed Poor 14:29, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

The relevance of Mel Gibson escapes me entirely. Murray 14:24, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

When he was arrested for a DUI he stated that all the wars were caused by Jews. And personally, I'm anti war, but not anti Jew (grandma would kill me). Czolgolz 15:45, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

It was the timing of Gibson's remarks, coming in the midst of mid-term elections where the Iraq War,Israel's operation Lebanon and the rumors of a strike against Iran were big headlines. Gibson expressed what was on most anti-War protesters minds. RobS 16:16, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
I remember what he said. But the idea that his thoughts are at all representative of those who oppose the war is ludicrous. Murray 16:18, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
For the sake of clarity, I'm not trying to claim that nobody who has protested is anti-semitic, or that some organization that has been involved in protesting isn't anti-semitic. Not saying they are either - I have no idea. But the claim that the general basis of opposition to the war is anti-semitism is the equivalent of the VRWC. Murray 16:21, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
Well, one big problem the anti-War movement has today is well documented in the mainsapce article here--the original persons and organizations that spoke out immediately after 9/11 and in 2003 either pointedly made statements constued as anti-Semitic, or they were interpreted as such. Since that time, a vast "middle" so to speak has joined up with these sentiments, and in many cases not realizing it, or not familiar with the background. Our purpose here is to not lose site of the leadership of the anti-War movement, their stated goals, objectives, and motivations, and to educate people about exactly what the rational is for this dissent from American foreign policy. And most specifically of all, we must not lose sight of the fact this is not limited to the US; it is widespread in Europe and in Islam. The American anti-War movement appears to be a Johnnie-come-lately to this phenomenon. RobS 16:31, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

Israel and the Iraq War

Cut from article:

Some supporters of the anti-Iraq War movement have been accused of anti-Semitism, including a group known as ANSWER-Act Now to Stop War and End Racism, one of the first organizations formed to protest the policies of the Bush administration. [1] [2]

Revisionsit Jews

Could someone be more specific as to who this group of "Revisionist Jews" are ath the time of Christ? RobS 20:12, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Term: "Anti-Semitism"

I take issue with this term, mainly because the word "Semite" in pre-20th century history traditionally referred to one who speaks a Semitic language, which is a very large umbrella of languages and in turn defines many different peoples/nations (e.g., Morocco, Algeria, Egypt, Libya, Jordan, Iraq, Israel, Ethiopia, and others). When referring specifically to hatred of Jews, it would be more accurate to use the term "Anti-Judaism."

It would also be well to note that the term was coined by Wilhelm Marr, a German journalist, in 1873. By using the term "anti-Semite," Marr was simply looking for a more polite term to replace the simpler adjective, "Jew-hater." I am still researching my sources, but would like permission to make these edits. Thanks. ps1107




  1. "The 'Answer' Question Poses Difficult Choices for Liberals" by Gal Beckerman, The Forward, September 30, 2005.
  2. Authoritarianism and Anti-Semitism in the Anti-War Movement?. Tikkun, May/June 2003. Link is to page on the Internet Archive, archived Oct 19, 2004.