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Columbus sailed from Spain on August 3 1492, and after sailing in unkown waters and not sighting land for three weeks, the sailors began to talk of mutiny. On October 10, Columbus promised that if they did not find land in three days they would turn back. On October 12, they reached an island that Columbus named San Salvador. Columbus did not reach his original destination but he did set the stage for Europian exploration of the New World. | Columbus sailed from Spain on August 3 1492, and after sailing in unkown waters and not sighting land for three weeks, the sailors began to talk of mutiny. On October 10, Columbus promised that if they did not find land in three days they would turn back. On October 12, they reached an island that Columbus named San Salvador. Columbus did not reach his original destination but he did set the stage for Europian exploration of the New World. | ||
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Chrisopher Columbus was a liberal whe tried to find new ways. He could also be called a scientist in geography and navigation. | Chrisopher Columbus was a liberal whe tried to find new ways. He could also be called a scientist in geography and navigation. | ||
He did not believe in what the conservative world was thinking (the world is flat and that he will fall down its surface at the end of the world). | He did not believe in what the conservative world was thinking (the world is flat and that he will fall down its surface at the end of the world). | ||
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:Do you have a source on his dying wealthy? I am one of the people who heard his later years/voyages were not financially fulfilling. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 18:51, 29 February 2008 (EST) | :Do you have a source on his dying wealthy? I am one of the people who heard his later years/voyages were not financially fulfilling. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 18:51, 29 February 2008 (EST) | ||
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| + | Just to inform everyone it has never been conclusively proven that Columbus was in fact born in Genoa. It most likely was Genoa but it has not been proven. | ||
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| + | Well, you should know that the entire population believing that the world was flat at the time of Columbus is just a myth. In fact there was even a globe at this time, and the globe, sure enough, was not flat. | ||
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| + | I wanted to put something in about Columbus Day, and the controversy over Columbus. If you can do a better job of it, feel free to edit what I have written. | ||
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| + | I don't think this page should become a rant about liberalism. I think we should be present a balanced view, based on present (widely accepted) knowledge, but keeping in mind the context of history. I don't know what to do with some added material on liberalism. I think it veers off topic, but for now it has its own section. | ||
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| + | ==Columbus holiday== | ||
| + | There is a cite needed describing the holiday put forth was on the insistence of Catholics and Italian Americans. I am sure they were big supporters of the idea but their voice wasn't the defining factor. Catholics and Italians were not the authority over policy in that era. In the spirit of Nationalism, Columbus represents the first chapter of America, Columbus is America's adopted son. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 18:34, 1 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
| + | ::I relied on this article, which makes the point that Italians began the celebration in the US: | ||
| + | :::''Gerald McKevitt, "Christopher Columbus as a Civic Saint: Angelo Noce and Italian American Assimilation" in ''California History'' 1992-93 71(4): 516-533. It traces the transformation of the observance of 12 October, Columbus Day or Discovery Day, from a holiday celebrated by Italian Americans commemorating their ethnic roots to an American event for everyone. Prominent among the promoters of Columbus Day was Angelo Noce (1847-1922), who organized celebrations in 1876 and 1877. He later moved from San Francisco to Colorado, where for many years he urged adoption of Columbus Day as a state holiday. As Italian Americans grew in number and gained political power, the celebration came to be seen as an occasion for all Americans as symbolic of unity and assimilation.'' [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:13, 1 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
| + | :::: RJJensen thanks for the answer. I now feel the day was adopted instead of arm-twisted, regardless of none-so-mentioned 'prominent promoters'. The Italian Catholics would celebrate that day with or without a national holiday. Good re --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 20:28, 1 June 2009 (EDT) | ||
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| + | == Legacy == | ||
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| + | I added a small section on the Legacy of Columbus. Please feel free to edit and improve. [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 18:23, 10 September 2015 (EDT) | ||
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| + | Hi, I received an e-mail from an individual who was concerned about the accuracy (or lack thereof) of the sections which speak of slavery. He pointed out that the native Americans were already practicing slavery, which I believe I have also read. I'm no history expert here, but I think something should be done to clarify that he may have changed slavery for them, and taken some as slaves, but he did not introduce it ass a new idea.<br /> | ||
| + | He also noted two other issues, which I have no significant knowledge on, but may well be true. That includes his statement that Columbus' slavery had nothing to do with sex slavery. Would someone with a better background on this topic consider improving this? This person's message is pasted below. | ||
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| + | {{cquote|First of all, the Columbus letter says nothing about sex. Read it and you'll see. Second, it's liberals who are leading the charge of Columbus bringing slavery to the New World, even though Natives practiced slavery before Columbus got there. Third, the so called "slaves" were Natives that Columbus defeated in war. The war started because the Natives killed the 39 men Columbus left at La Espanola on his First Voyage. Lastly, "The History of the Indies" quotes from Bartolome de Las Casas are not about Columbus, but about the Spaniards.}} | ||
| + | They also provided a link to a Facebook article they wrote: ''[https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1816932301896771&substory_index=0&id=1460114587578546 "The Bible in Context"]''.<br /> | ||
| + | I don't want to ignorantly mess things up, but would someone else mind taking a look? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 23:44, 31 October 2016 (EDT) | ||
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| + | :For lack of any input, I'm going to start making some edits and removing incorrect content. The individual I spoke of has provided a significant amount of information on the topic, with references which I will try to review and use. Any input is still welcome, since I know the basics but not a tremendous amount amount Columbus. I'll do my best, anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup><small>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</small></sup> 14:19, 9 December 2016 (EST) | ||
Latest revision as of 19:19, December 9, 2016
The picture of the ship in the section marked Third Voyage is that of the Santa Maria, not of the Isabella. Please follow the link through to the original page from where the picture was taken SharonWSharonW
Columbus sailed from Spain on August 3 1492, and after sailing in unkown waters and not sighting land for three weeks, the sailors began to talk of mutiny. On October 10, Columbus promised that if they did not find land in three days they would turn back. On October 12, they reached an island that Columbus named San Salvador. Columbus did not reach his original destination but he did set the stage for Europian exploration of the New World.
Citations? Sentence/Paragraph Structure? Proper Grammar?
Ouch! Reading this article killed brain cells.
He was liberal
It Chrisopher Columbus was a liberal whe tried to find new ways. He could also be called a scientist in geography and navigation. He did not believe in what the conservative world was thinking (the world is flat and that he will fall down its surface at the end of the world).
This should be mentioned in the article. --Itsjustme 16:33, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
Factually Incorrect
He was not "the second European sailor to reach the Americas." Ericson's voyage prompted many more trips to the America's, and Columbus arrived with more men than just himself. Perhaps a better way to phrase this would be "headed the first expedition from the European mainland to reach the Americas."
He didn't die poor. I took the liberty of correcting that. Also a section should be added discussing the accusations of genocide against the native populations committed by Columbus.
- Do you have a source on his dying wealthy? I am one of the people who heard his later years/voyages were not financially fulfilling. Learn together 18:51, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Just to inform everyone it has never been conclusively proven that Columbus was in fact born in Genoa. It most likely was Genoa but it has not been proven.
Well, you should know that the entire population believing that the world was flat at the time of Columbus is just a myth. In fact there was even a globe at this time, and the globe, sure enough, was not flat.
I wanted to put something in about Columbus Day, and the controversy over Columbus. If you can do a better job of it, feel free to edit what I have written.
I don't think this page should become a rant about liberalism. I think we should be present a balanced view, based on present (widely accepted) knowledge, but keeping in mind the context of history. I don't know what to do with some added material on liberalism. I think it veers off topic, but for now it has its own section.
Columbus holiday
There is a cite needed describing the holiday put forth was on the insistence of Catholics and Italian Americans. I am sure they were big supporters of the idea but their voice wasn't the defining factor. Catholics and Italians were not the authority over policy in that era. In the spirit of Nationalism, Columbus represents the first chapter of America, Columbus is America's adopted son. --Jpatt 18:34, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
- I relied on this article, which makes the point that Italians began the celebration in the US:
- Gerald McKevitt, "Christopher Columbus as a Civic Saint: Angelo Noce and Italian American Assimilation" in California History 1992-93 71(4): 516-533. It traces the transformation of the observance of 12 October, Columbus Day or Discovery Day, from a holiday celebrated by Italian Americans commemorating their ethnic roots to an American event for everyone. Prominent among the promoters of Columbus Day was Angelo Noce (1847-1922), who organized celebrations in 1876 and 1877. He later moved from San Francisco to Colorado, where for many years he urged adoption of Columbus Day as a state holiday. As Italian Americans grew in number and gained political power, the celebration came to be seen as an occasion for all Americans as symbolic of unity and assimilation. RJJensen 19:13, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
- RJJensen thanks for the answer. I now feel the day was adopted instead of arm-twisted, regardless of none-so-mentioned 'prominent promoters'. The Italian Catholics would celebrate that day with or without a national holiday. Good re --Jpatt 20:28, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
- Gerald McKevitt, "Christopher Columbus as a Civic Saint: Angelo Noce and Italian American Assimilation" in California History 1992-93 71(4): 516-533. It traces the transformation of the observance of 12 October, Columbus Day or Discovery Day, from a holiday celebrated by Italian Americans commemorating their ethnic roots to an American event for everyone. Prominent among the promoters of Columbus Day was Angelo Noce (1847-1922), who organized celebrations in 1876 and 1877. He later moved from San Francisco to Colorado, where for many years he urged adoption of Columbus Day as a state holiday. As Italian Americans grew in number and gained political power, the celebration came to be seen as an occasion for all Americans as symbolic of unity and assimilation. RJJensen 19:13, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
- I relied on this article, which makes the point that Italians began the celebration in the US:
Legacy
I added a small section on the Legacy of Columbus. Please feel free to edit and improve. JohnSelway (talk) 18:23, 10 September 2015 (EDT)
Slavery
Hi, I received an e-mail from an individual who was concerned about the accuracy (or lack thereof) of the sections which speak of slavery. He pointed out that the native Americans were already practicing slavery, which I believe I have also read. I'm no history expert here, but I think something should be done to clarify that he may have changed slavery for them, and taken some as slaves, but he did not introduce it ass a new idea.
He also noted two other issues, which I have no significant knowledge on, but may well be true. That includes his statement that Columbus' slavery had nothing to do with sex slavery. Would someone with a better background on this topic consider improving this? This person's message is pasted below.
| “ | First of all, the Columbus letter says nothing about sex. Read it and you'll see. Second, it's liberals who are leading the charge of Columbus bringing slavery to the New World, even though Natives practiced slavery before Columbus got there. Third, the so called "slaves" were Natives that Columbus defeated in war. The war started because the Natives killed the 39 men Columbus left at La Espanola on his First Voyage. Lastly, "The History of the Indies" quotes from Bartolome de Las Casas are not about Columbus, but about the Spaniards. | ” |
They also provided a link to a Facebook article they wrote: "The Bible in Context".
I don't want to ignorantly mess things up, but would someone else mind taking a look? Thanks! --David B (TALK) 23:44, 31 October 2016 (EDT)
- For lack of any input, I'm going to start making some edits and removing incorrect content. The individual I spoke of has provided a significant amount of information on the topic, with references which I will try to review and use. Any input is still welcome, since I know the basics but not a tremendous amount amount Columbus. I'll do my best, anyway. --David B (TALK) 14:19, 9 December 2016 (EST)
