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Talk:Debate: should atheists be barred from Conservapedia?

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Wow, just think of all the mental illness you could prevent by keeping the views of atheists off this site - it's practically a public health initiative. --DinsdaleP 09:27, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Dear Dinsdale, If you have an opinion, why don't you voice it in the debate, rather than using sarcasm? That is what debates are for. And what has mental illness to do with this? --EmilyC 09:33, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

I made my comment here because it is indeed sarcasm, and I wanted to keep it off of the debate itself so it doesn't devolve into people taking shots at each other. (Note that Aschlafly has endorsed the use of sarcasm when appropriate, but it needs to be expressed in the proper place). Frankly, Bugler's proposal is so ridiculous that addressing it seriously is to give it credibility, which I will not do. As for the mental illness reference, you must have missed reading Talk:Mystery:Do Liberal Teachings Cause Mental Illness? --DinsdaleP 10:25, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

Clearly a Parodist

I'm sorry, I don't want to make random accusations, but I've seen some of Bugler's edits lately, and I for one am convinced that this is the work of a parodist. If I'm wrong, then I apologize, and I understand criticism of atheists and liberals, Bugler takes this to the point that I cannot believe he is genuine. MikeR 19:23, 19 August 2008 (EDT)

That's quite a strong accusation. Do you have a specific edit in mind? Discrediting valuable contributors is the desperate's tactic. SilvioB 19:54, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
Pretty much this entire page... I mean come on, trying to block atheists? Suggesting atheists and liberals have a mental illness? Even if Bugler somehow does believe this to be true, putting such views up here is damaging to the credibility of the rest of us. We are Christians, and our duty is to reach out to atheists and agnostics, not to lock the doors. MikeR 07:48, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
The theoretical basis of one school of psychology (rational-emotive therapy) is that incorrect thinking is the primary cause of mental illness. Being skeptical about God's existence is not irrational, but positively asserting His non-existence usually is.
In reaching out to evil people we cannot avoid pointing out their errors. We can be polite while doing so, but it is hardly polite to pay lip service to a fiction. When Rev. Moon visited Gorbachev (and also Kim Il-Sung), he was obviously well-mannered and had many proposals to benefit the USSR and North Korea - but he quite plainly told the respective leaders that they were wrong to exalt atheism and socialism.
The notion that evil can develop into good somehow, without being corrected in its errors, has done far too much harm in history. Let's not perpetuate that notion here. --Ed Poor Talk 07:55, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
Ed, I have to take offense with the characterization of Atheists as being evil. They believe something different, and in your view I'm sure they are going to Hell for it, but that doesn't make them evil. My view of "evil" is that it's an extreme judgment, and can only be applied to someone based on his or her deeds, not beliefs. Are you saying that if you accidentally found out that a student or co-worker of yours was an atheist (because they made no mention of it themselves), you'd continue to treat them the same despite viewing atheism as evil? --DinsdaleP 11:42, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
Parodist? I don't know. It's easy to recognise he blatent parody, but some trolls here are more subtle, and can impersonate a fringe Christian. I do not wish to jump to conclusions - it's quite possible Bugler is exactly what he seems: A Christian who really, really dislikes atheists. Nothing wrong with that. In any case, his proposal is unenforceable. NewCrusader 11:58, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

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