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::Nate, Brazil has the largest Roman Catholic population in the world and nearly half of Brazilians are overweight the trend for obesity is upwards.[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/8204625/Brazils-obesity-rate-could-match-US-by-2022.html]  It seems as though there are a lot of very big girls from Ipanema at the present time. :) Secondly, there are a number of demographic factors in Protestantism in the United States.  For example, I would think income/education play important factors in terms of obesity.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:09, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
 
::Nate, Brazil has the largest Roman Catholic population in the world and nearly half of Brazilians are overweight the trend for obesity is upwards.[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/8204625/Brazils-obesity-rate-could-match-US-by-2022.html]  It seems as though there are a lot of very big girls from Ipanema at the present time. :) Secondly, there are a number of demographic factors in Protestantism in the United States.  For example, I would think income/education play important factors in terms of obesity.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:09, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
 
::::Nate, in addition, the Bible has a anti-gluttony/obesity message. In 2001, American Protestants read their Bibles a LOT more than American Roman Catholics.[http://www.bibleteachingnotes.com/templates/System/details.asp?id=29183&fetch=7872] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:16, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
 
::::Nate, in addition, the Bible has a anti-gluttony/obesity message. In 2001, American Protestants read their Bibles a LOT more than American Roman Catholics.[http://www.bibleteachingnotes.com/templates/System/details.asp?id=29183&fetch=7872] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:16, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
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:::::How in the world can you claim protestants read their Bibles more than Catholics? That kind of statement requires backup. Nothing else you've said is worth responding to since you can't point to anything supporting the causal relation your implying. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 13:29, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

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"Indian Christian dancers appear immune to obesity" What about Indian Hindu dancers, Indian Muslim dancers, Thai Buddhist dancers, atheist Russian ballerinas? By their very nature professional dancers are slender and follow rigorous regimes to stay in shape. Unless you're claiming that Jillette is also a professional dancer, your analogy fails. TracyS 11:21, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

Also, the picture you show of the Indian Dancer - she's Hindu, not Christian. That's misrepresentation on your part.TracyS 11:25, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
Apparently, your atheistic public school education causes you not to be able to read picture captions. Conservative 13:05, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
Atheistic public schools don't teach kids how to read.--JamesWilson 13:08, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
Plus, he/she is apparently engaging in speculation as there are no indications of the woman's religion. Conservative 13:10, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
And last time I checked, ballet did not originate in Soviet Russia! :) Conservative 13:12, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
In addition, the article declares in the first sentence: "Indian Christian culture is better than low class Western atheist "culture"." Conservative
Conservative, if you Google the woman's name - as you provided in the reference for the picture - you will find she is Hindu. It seems not only can I read, but I can use a search engine beginning with G. The fact remains you are using a Hindu dancer to portray a Christian dance. Ergo, you are misrepresenting facts. Of course, all you can reply with is cheap shots. TracyS 14:19, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
Also, I never said where ballet originated, I spoke about ballet dancers in atheistic Russia. Where did I say where ballet originated? And regardless of what culture you said, perhaps you should read the title of your essay. But once again, you dodge the question. So I ask it again - what about slim Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, atheist dancers - how do they fit your paradigm? TracyS 14:23, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
I see you still cannot read the caption below the pic. Next, you'll be claiming that Western atheists are thinner than Hindus! :) Conservative 14:25, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
Actually I can read it. It's you who cannot comprehend it. So let me put in terms your brain can understand:
You. Article. About. Indian. Christian. Dancers.
They. Slender.
Photo. Not. Christian. Dancer.
She. Hindu.
Not. Example. Of. Christian. Dancer.
Analogy. Fail.
If you still claim that you cannot grasp that you speak about Christian Indian dancers in your article, but use a picture of a Hindu dancer to illustrate your point, then you are either lying, or making use of deliberate ignorance. And the more you deny this, with silly Babelfish comments and smilies, the more you prove me right. TracyS 07:27, 19 July 2011 (EDT)


There is no such thing as atheist culture

Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. There is nothing else that atheists have in common that could encompass a "culture". There are liberal atheists and conservative atheists. Well educated atheists and uneducated atheists. Sporty atheists and non-sporty atheists. Atheists who use profanity and those who do not. In fact you could take virtually any personal characteristic and you will find atheists on either side. Lumping atheists together in any respect other than the lack of belief in a deity indicates a misapprehension as to what the term atheist means. This page is unbecoming of an encyclopedia and appears to be more of a series of insults directed at people the author happens to disagree with than anything productive. --DamianJohn 13:28, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

Methinks the gentlemen protests too much! I seem to have struck a nerve! Ah, what is best in life? :) Another thin skinned atheist! Conservative 13:45, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
No, not protesting, just pointing out that I don't think you anything about the subject matter you write about. --DamianJohn 14:07, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
Foolish DamianJohn, don't you realize that any criticism of this essay must, by definition, be a result of the critic being a thin skinned atheist. The content of the criticism is irrelevant. It doesn't matter that what you said made perfect sense. You criticised the essay, ergo you are a thin skinned atheist. And that is all we need to know. QED.  :) --TeddyG 22:24, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
آئےگا آئےگا، سب کا مسیح آئےگا Conservative 03:19, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

Obesity in India

Obesity in India is as prevalent as in Sweden. MaxFletcher 22:06, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

What about child obesity? And what about the very religious Indian Christian believers? According to the Gallup Organization, "Very religious Americans are more likely to practice healthy behaviors than those who are moderately religious or nonreligious."[1] Conservative 03:08, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
This is so very wrong on every level. Your Gallop "study" doesn't say a thing about obesity or atheism, let alone child obesity, not that a poll of Americans about healthy behaviors has anything to do with obesity in India. And you've been shown real studies, rather than polls of self-reported behavior, that show the very religious are more likely to be obese than the less religious. You've also been shown maps showing the shocking overlap of the incidence of obesity with prevalence of fundamentalist and evangelical religious - the American Bible Belt is the fattest region in the country. You ignore and misrepresent this evidence. Nate 10:35, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
You can expect an answer in Hindi, followed by a smilie, shortly. That's the character of the "man" you are debating. TracyS 10:47, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
Nate, the Roman Catholic country of Mexico has the second highest obesity rate in the world.[2] I cited other data for the atheism and obesity article. Next, the Bible belt has a number of important demographic/cultural variables not just religion. Fourth, there are more Protestant Christians in the thin Eastern World than in the West. Lastly, in relation to Roman Catholicism, when you type "friar" into search engines some of the top suggestions are "friars table" and "Friar Tuck" which are commonly not associated with slimness. :) Conservative 12:18, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
The overwhelmingly protestant country of the United States has the first highest obesity rate in the world. You didn't cite any data in support of the proposition that atheists are more likely to be obese. The only data you cited related to the effects of obesity, which is irrelevant to which population is affected by obesity most. Please just admit this and move on. The Bible Belt, which is overwhelmingly protestant, is nonetheless the fattest region in the nation. The correlation is very clear. Causation is not. Studies of the nature I'm referring to state they don't provide insight into causation so I'm not interested in hearing your off the cuff speculations about why the Bible Belt is obese but somehow the clear correlation doesn't matter. All we can talk about is correlation, not causation. I hope you don't deny that. As to there being more protestants in the "thin Eastern World" than in the West, a) you're wrong, and b) so what? The population of India is 1,200,000,000 people in 2011 with 2.3% Christian - that's 27,600,000 people. The population of the United States alone is 311,000,000 with 51% protestant - that's 158,610,000 people. 5.75 times more protestants than in India. Just as you don't know anything about causal factors for obesity in the United States you don't know anything about causal factors for whatever you're calling thinness in the "thin Eastern World" other than what you're going to make up. Just as you're pretending it has to do with their religion, I can say that the correlation between poverty in Central Africa and South Asia is a better example of "thinness" that I would call malnourishment. 40% of people in South Asia and 51% of people in sub Saharan Africa live on less than $1.25 a day. only 2.1% of hungry people live in developed countries. Even if you're right that it is possible to determine a causal relation between religion and thinness, the example of India is a striking opposite of the United States. The US is 51% protestant (25% Catholic) and states in the protestant Bible Belt are all over 30% obese. India is 2% Christian and men are 18% obese and women are 14% obese. So even if you're right you can't draw any good conclusion from numbers like this. And I'm telling you smearing Catholics by pretending Catholicism provides a causal factor in obesity is yet another slander against the Church. Typing "friar" into google doesn't do or mean anything. Just stop it with the anti-Catholic slurs please. Nate 13:03, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
Nate, Brazil has the largest Roman Catholic population in the world and nearly half of Brazilians are overweight the trend for obesity is upwards.[3] It seems as though there are a lot of very big girls from Ipanema at the present time. :) Secondly, there are a number of demographic factors in Protestantism in the United States. For example, I would think income/education play important factors in terms of obesity. Conservative 13:09, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
Nate, in addition, the Bible has a anti-gluttony/obesity message. In 2001, American Protestants read their Bibles a LOT more than American Roman Catholics.[4] Conservative 13:16, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
How in the world can you claim protestants read their Bibles more than Catholics? That kind of statement requires backup. Nothing else you've said is worth responding to since you can't point to anything supporting the causal relation your implying. Nate 13:29, 19 July 2011 (EDT)