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:::: As I said...never mind Cons. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 01:44, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
 
:::: As I said...never mind Cons. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 01:44, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
 
:::::Just had a word with an old mate, knew him at NPWS (National Parks and Wildlife Service} He was a raptor expert. Has a PHD. Reckons "evolutionary biology" is a tautology. Reckons no one he ever met in his 40-odd year career in zoology believed in anything but evolution. Says if they're any good and can't find a job here, the Antarctic Base will have them. (That's 5 minutes away.) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 02:22, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
 
:::::Just had a word with an old mate, knew him at NPWS (National Parks and Wildlife Service} He was a raptor expert. Has a PHD. Reckons "evolutionary biology" is a tautology. Reckons no one he ever met in his 40-odd year career in zoology believed in anything but evolution. Says if they're any good and can't find a job here, the Antarctic Base will have them. (That's 5 minutes away.) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 02:22, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
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Conservative could you please unlock the page so I can fix up the formatting. It looks utterly terrible in its current state! [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 05:32, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
 
Conservative could you please unlock the page so I can fix up the formatting. It looks utterly terrible in its current state! [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 05:32, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
 
::::AlanE, ever see the movie [[Expelled]]? What happens to biologists who express dissent to Darwin? Second, have your friend challenge CMI to a debate on the 15 questions for evolutionists. They are in Australia. I have my doubts he would be willing to do this since [[Creation scientists tend to win the creation vs. evolution debates]]. Third, hundreds of scientists have publicly come out against evolution.[http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/]  But even if it there were not science is not a voting booth it is based on proof and evidence. Plus, there are cases where the scientific consensus was wrong and the Bible was right.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/10/scientific-consensus-and-evolutionary.html]  Lastly, I suppose you can get a job in many fields if you are willing to move Alaska, Antarctica, Siberia, tundra, etc. But that doesn't tell me that there aren't a lot of unemployed people who are unwilling to do that. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:13, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
 
::::AlanE, ever see the movie [[Expelled]]? What happens to biologists who express dissent to Darwin? Second, have your friend challenge CMI to a debate on the 15 questions for evolutionists. They are in Australia. I have my doubts he would be willing to do this since [[Creation scientists tend to win the creation vs. evolution debates]]. Third, hundreds of scientists have publicly come out against evolution.[http://www.dissentfromdarwin.org/]  But even if it there were not science is not a voting booth it is based on proof and evidence. Plus, there are cases where the scientific consensus was wrong and the Bible was right.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/10/scientific-consensus-and-evolutionary.html]  Lastly, I suppose you can get a job in many fields if you are willing to move Alaska, Antarctica, Siberia, tundra, etc. But that doesn't tell me that there aren't a lot of unemployed people who are unwilling to do that. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:13, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
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:"Hundreds" eh? Wow! [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:16, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

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Conservative, I noticed your removal of my addition to this article, saying that it needed a citation I was speaking from personal experience as someone studying ecology at university, which at my university is in the same department as evolutionary biology. It is of course difficult to cite personal experience on a wiki :)--DTSavage 00:45, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

When you said that many people do not go into the field for financial reasons, you were merely expressing an opinion. I meet people all the time who are studying a particular field in college and they appear to be in a dreamland. For example, in a few cases, I asked people in a friendly manner what the job prospects were in the field they were studying for and they were clueless. They were like a deer in the headlight. They had no idea what percentage of people that are eventually hired for the major they are studying for. Conservative 00:56, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
Yes, it was an opinion. However, it's an opinion based on the dozen or so people I know closely, and several dozen I am acquainted with, who are studying evolutionary biology. --DTSavage 01:00, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
DTSavage, I am skeptical of your claims - especially the claim related to the "several dozen" people. Conservative 01:07, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
You meet people, Cons.? And they have opinions? Oh dear! You had better close off this article...you have? Good. AlanE 01:06, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
AlanE, given the high rates of employment among college educated people routinely reported on the main page citing credible sources, my above comment/claim on the talk page is reasonable/plausible. Conservative 01:10, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
Never mind, Cons. AlanE 01:24, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
Alan and DTSavage, although my high school was not perfect, I believe I learned the difference between fact/opinion in high school. My university education then reinforced the dichotomy between the two. If someone wants to whine about their opinions not being included in the article, I am not going to be a sympathetic ear. Conservative 01:25, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
As I said...never mind Cons. AlanE 01:44, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
Just had a word with an old mate, knew him at NPWS (National Parks and Wildlife Service} He was a raptor expert. Has a PHD. Reckons "evolutionary biology" is a tautology. Reckons no one he ever met in his 40-odd year career in zoology believed in anything but evolution. Says if they're any good and can't find a job here, the Antarctic Base will have them. (That's 5 minutes away.) AlanE 02:22, 18 March 2013 (EDT)


Conservative could you please unlock the page so I can fix up the formatting. It looks utterly terrible in its current state! Dvergne 05:32, 18 March 2013 (EDT)

AlanE, ever see the movie Expelled? What happens to biologists who express dissent to Darwin? Second, have your friend challenge CMI to a debate on the 15 questions for evolutionists. They are in Australia. I have my doubts he would be willing to do this since Creation scientists tend to win the creation vs. evolution debates. Third, hundreds of scientists have publicly come out against evolution.[1] But even if it there were not science is not a voting booth it is based on proof and evidence. Plus, there are cases where the scientific consensus was wrong and the Bible was right.[2] Lastly, I suppose you can get a job in many fields if you are willing to move Alaska, Antarctica, Siberia, tundra, etc. But that doesn't tell me that there aren't a lot of unemployed people who are unwilling to do that. Conservative 13:13, 18 March 2013 (EDT)
"Hundreds" eh? Wow! AlanE 16:16, 18 March 2013 (EDT)