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This page needs improvement to do justice to Rev. Falwell.

I rolled back the liberal gossip about Falwell and Rev. Moon. It's nothing more than a smear effort of the sort we don't allow under our rules. Falwell is not an adherent of Rev. Moon's church and Falwell is entitled to do business just like everyone else. The smear was unsupported by a credible resource.

Be fair to Christians and everyone else here.--Aschlafly 22:16, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

Also I'm not sure that is a "reliable" source. Crackertalk 22:18, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
My addition to this article is based on fact, not opinion. Critics do indeed attack Falwell's connection the Unification Church. This is not an attack or "smear" on Christians in general but a verifiable fact about the controversy surrounding a public figure. Opposing viewpoints supported by citations are welcome, but this is tantamount to censorhip. Rotten has an admitted liberal bias but all their info in this instance is credible and independently verifiable.

--Hektor 22:22, 8 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm going to edit this article over the next couple days. Falwell has been a tremendous educator, and his efforts deserve more than this. Stay tuned! --Thammersmith 21:12, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm not sure why my changes were reverted. Jerry Falwell has ties to Republican causes and the Moral Majority is a part of the Religious Right, not the Religious right. For instance the Christian Coalition is part of the Religious Right as well. Learn together 01:58, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

(Belated question) How is it a "smear" to link Falwell and Moon? Has Rev. Moon done something wrong? (Apart from not accepting Young Earth creationism, I mean ;-) --Ed Poor 16:30, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Just passed away

CCN just reported his death today.--TimS 13:39, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Someone commented out his support for apartheid. Not sure why as it's factual and documented. I removed the comment block around it...apologies for the double edit.

Jerry Falwell was frequently misquoted and misinterpreted by anti-Christian enemies. Don't expect any unsourced, biased and misleading information, motivated by anti-Christian animus, to be allowed here.--Aschlafly 16:20, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

My Civil Procedure professor represented Larry Flynt in his successful defense of Falwell's suit before the Supreme Court. He also played Falwell's attorney (switching sides) in the film version of the trial. Fun stuff. -Speaker 16:38, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

South Africa and apartheid

Time magazine, Monday, Sep. 02, 1985:

  • Falwell opposes apartheid, but professed faith that Botha will dismantle the system eventually, if only everyone is patient. [1]

I stand corrected. I'll update changes to reflect this. Stompum

  • Page is locked. Mods please remove the line about Falwell's support for Apartheid.

Sept 11 comments

Why were these deleted? They're important, widely publicized, etc. I can't imagine anything other than censorship - that hallmark of Wikipedia - that would compel you to leave his unpopular side out of the article.-Speaker 17:13, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

When will you revert to re-include his Sept 11th comments?-Speaker 17:44, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

I believe that in the Nancy Pelosi article there is a section about her marching in the same group as a NAMBLA member. Seems very biased and one-sided to leave that part in there, but then take out any mention of Falwell's hateful statements on 9-11 because it might make him look bad. Prof0705 17:52, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

I don't think you are going to see anything but a hagiography here. Mr. Falwell represents everything this site's owners hold dear. I'll stick to paraphrasing Randi Rhodes: "If I had anything sympathetic to say about that man at all, I'd say it." But these people love him, and it's their site. Human 18:30, 15 May 2007 (EDT)


Here's a website (I know it's biased, but the quotes are accurate):

You can form your own opinion about him, I don't care what you think, but I just thought it might be helpful to create an opinion on him (to conservatives: look for the two anti-semitic quotes.) MiddleMan

Oh really? Let's take this one,
  • Alcoholism and Negroes

"There are almost as many alcoholics as there are negroes." Rev. Jerry Falwell

You alleged "source" gives us a classic argumentum ad ignoratiam. RobS 17:57, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Your reply is barely coherent. Explanation?-Speaker 17:58, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
Your source uses the conjunctive word, "and"; Rev. Falwell nowhere conjoins alcholism and Negroes; in fact, Rev. Falwell does a compararison of the statisical population of both. This is typical of the trite garbage that passes as reasoned discourse from some sectors of liberalism. RobS 18:04, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

So that's one quote that might be out of context. The rest, though?-Speaker 18:06, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Hey, don't shoot the messenger (I did mention the source is biased), you're entitled to your own opinion. MiddleMan

OK, I randomly picked a liberal quote of Jerry Falwell:

"I listen to feminists and all these radical gals - most of them are failures. They've blown it. Some of them have been married, but they married some Casper Milquetoast who asked permission to go to the bathroom. These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men - that's their problem."

Colorful and statistically accurate. I agree it's not politically correct. Go to Hillary Clinton for political correctness. Jerry Falwell spoke the truth in a colorful way, and we thank him for that.--Aschlafly 18:19, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

How come you don't like women?

How about these?

"The idea of separation of Church and State was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country."

Rev. Jerry Falwell

"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

Rev. Jerry Falwell

"He is purple - the gay-pride colour; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle - the gay-pride symbol."

Rev. Jerry Falwell (Falwell on the teletubbies, come on, how much more paranoid can you get?)

Did he really say this? Check a less biased source.Bohdan

I got 10 identical matches on the first page of google... MiddleMan

Yes, but he himself did not say this. It was his newspaper. He had no involvement.Bohdan

I wasn't there, and wikipedia is rather vague about it, but the BBC link is pretty clear, what do you think of his claims about Jews? MiddleMan

And for all those people with little Israeli flags on their user pages:

"I know a few of you here today don't like Jews. And I know why. He can make more money accidentally than you can on purpose.

Rev. Jerry Falwell

The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior.

Jerry Falwell, Listen, America!


Confronting his critics

While I disagree with the Rev on many issues, he was never afraid to discuss his disagreements with others. He would have gladly sat down with Clinton, Dawkins, anyone, and debated any issue. I do wish more people would follow that example, rather than censoring or pushing away those with whom they disagree.JoyousOne 20:22, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

History will judge him harshly

Ultimately, Falwell was one of the group who used religion as a cause for separating rather than uniting. His notoriously stupid remarks about gays just after 9/11, a somewhat thinly disguised anti-semetism, and some absurd remarks on pop culture (you know, the one about the Tele-tubby being a gay role model), rather than appealing to our better selves, goaded our darker sides.

My reading of the new testatment indicates that Jesus preached tolerance and loving thy neighbor. And indeed, when I was a kid, I recall religous folks were always pretty nice people, even their kids couldn't play hockey on Sunday.

Tell you what, read the book of Matthew, look at some old Billy Graham sermons, and forget this mean-spirted blowhard.--Trajsmith 20:44, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

So I guess an apology means nothing, huh? RobS 21:14, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
I don't think that an apology undoes the harm he did to a country that was trying to heal, when he tore the wounds open & rubbed salt in them again.-Speaker 21:25, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
will someone explain exactly what harm he did?Bohdan

Bohdan, here [2]

Speaker, Frankly, I'm certain Falwell spoke from the heart, and quickly realized America needed to be united in the coming war, and not fighting among ourselves. That's why he immediately issued the apology. Truth is, I'm also fairly certain Falwell gave voice to the sentiments a lot of other Americans were experiencing at the same time. And based upon the daily drumbeat of hatred we see from gays and neopagans directed at Bush, (and comments we've seen here), Falwell was right. RobS 21:42, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

Daily drumbeat of hatred from homosexuals and neopagans? Can you give an... actual example? I'm thrilled to see it.-Speaker 21:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
Polls say 60%+ nolonger wish to take the war to the terrorists. RobS 21:57, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
I hate to say it, but that's 60% of the American people, right? So it's not like it's exclusively gays and pagans who don't particularly like Bush. I'm sure there are people in the 60% who are not gay or pagan who hate Bush, while not the majority. GofG ||| Talk 21:59, 15 May 2007 (EDT)