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Robotics, artificial intelligence, potential unemployment and education

Robotics, artificial intelligence, potential unemployment and education.[2]

Why Robots Will Not Take Over Human Jobs.[3]

Jobs And Robots: 25 Countries Ranked On Job Loss Potential From Automation, Robotics, And AI.[4]

"South Korea, Germany, and Japan are most prepared for the coming wave of automation, according to a new report by The Economist. The U.S., on the other hand, ranks ninth out of 25 countries. And the most-at-risk countries? Mexico, Vietnam, and Indonesia."

It's time to build Trump's wall across the Mexican border.Conservative (talk) 03:15, 15 May 2018 (EDT)

Robots replace low-skill workers. If your job can be done by a machine, then it's definitely time to consider learning a new skill. On the other hand, which is cheaper, robots or illegal Mexicans? --David B (TALK) 21:50, 16 May 2018 (EDT)
"Advanced automation is already reshaping low-skill and even medium-skill jobs, and tasks once done by so-called ‘knowledge workers’ are now done by machines (think of financial services). Given that up to 47 percent of current jobs are likely to be automated by 2034, this suggests massive labor market upheaval."[5] - Brookings InstitutionConservative (talk) 21:48, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

Farewell to the Boy Scouts

For a century, no group in America had a better image than the Boy Scouts. In 2016, 2.1 million boys were enrolled.[6] Trump attended the 2017 Jamboree and spoke before tens of thousands of adoring boys. The left was incensed. Now the Boy Scouts are no more. See here and here. PeterKa (talk) 20:51, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

Las Vegas shooter was a gun nut

It turns out that the Vegas shooter was a gun nut.[7] If irrational fears of gun grabbing can trigger the Oklahoma City bombing and the Las Vegas massacre, imagine what the reaction would be if the government adopted such a policy for real. Dear Parkland students, Americans like the Second Amendment. Period. Maybe you could find some other cause, possibly one that doesn't kill us all. PeterKa (talk) 22:34, 17 May 2018 (EDT)

"gun nut" is not really what the link talks about, which includes the observation that Paddock "was on a losing streak prior to the shooting." Appreciate the comment, though.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:28, 18 May 2018 (EDT)
According to the article, Paddock told an unnamed police informant that "Federal Emergency Management Agency “camps” setup after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 were “a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin' down doors and...confiscating guns.”" Paddock became aware of this issue because of publicity it received in 2015 at the time of the tenth anniversary. Perhaps he started planning the attack at that time, although that is considerably earlier than the timeline as we have understood it up to now. PeterKa (talk) 04:53, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

Merger of bulleted items

Why is the Phyllis Schlafly bulleted item attached to the Romantic Paintings bulleted item on main page left?

Great catch. Thanks! I fixed it ... and reshuffled the deck.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:26, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

US cancels B-52 Stratofortress exercises with South Korea

[8]

Just my thoughts but this should be added to the main page (Template:Mainpageright) since no mainstream media is covering this. --MaddieJ 15:02, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

Yes, but will "Operation Flying Fortresses" be cancelled?Conservative (talk) 15:16, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

Yanni or Laural?

Trump takes the covfefe in this version of "Yanni or Laural?" PeterKa (talk) 09:32, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

Failure of gun control

The Left is again trying to use the latest Texas shooting to push for gun control -- however, none of their favorite "solutions" would have actually stopped the shooter. Assault rifle or "high capacity" magazine ban? The shooter used neither (he used a revolver and a shotgun -- guns that most liberals claim to support and that the Supreme Court protected in 2008). Universal background checks? The gun didn't actually belong to the shooter. Waiting period? Once again, the gun didn't belong to him. And in case he wasn't able to get guns, he still had bombs that he would have used instead. The Left claims to support the Second Amendment, or at least some leeway to owning a weapon, but even under their preferred solutions that would supposedly protect the 2A the shootings would continue. Yet, they continue calling for more gun control which would disarm law-abiding citizens and make them beholden to their government no matter how tyrannical or corrupt.

What socialists forget is that before, say, 1968 (or 1934), there were virtually zero gun controls in place and buying a gun was as easy as buying anything else, even if you were underage. A larger percentage of the population had guns, and recreational shooting teams (like what we still see in the Olympics) were common at public schools. Today, none of this is true, and the proportion of armed Americans is shrinking. Yet the number of mass shootings is increasing. Gun control is a superficial (and unconstitutional) solution that misses the underlying reasons for the increase in violence and reduces freedom for law-abiding citizens in the process.

The Left's push for gun control has nothing to do with promoting safety -- it's consistent with their faith in the Idea of Progress that a utopia, where there's world peace and all people are united with zero barriers separating them, can eventually be created on earth. Rather than unilaterally seek to create a one-world utopia (open borders, disarmament, gun control, multiculturalism, compulsory public schooling, etc.), the Left should take a more realistic approach. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:09, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

Also, to the socialists who read this page, I recommend reading these previous discussions: [9][10][11] --1990'sguy (talk) 14:14, 19 May 2018 (EDT)
And let's not forget the armed guard who shot a potential school shooter before he could kill anyone: [12] We need more law-abiding citizens who are armed, not less. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:17, 19 May 2018 (EDT)
“You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.” ―Rahm Emanuel
Of course these changes would have made no difference--they almost never would. Most of the times these firearms are stolen. It's a fact of life that criminals break laws. It's no problem for them to break a law by stealing a gun before they break the law by killing people. These laws, just like the gun free zones where these shootings almost always take place do nothing to stop the problem, and they've admitted this. They don't care, they just want to use the opportunity to restrict them anyway.
"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." ―the second ammendment
They are doing all they can to infringe on it. Even permits are unconstitutional, and yet most people must get them to carry. According to the constitution, guns should be as easy to buy, keep, carry, and use (for lawful purposes) as baseball caps. In that way, majority really does rule--one criminal's gun is no match for the 10 guns of moral, law-abiding citizens around him. --David B (TALK) 14:39, 19 May 2018 (EDT)
There was a mass shooting a long while back which featured the wearing of trenchcoats by the murderers. Recent interviews of students at Santa Fe high school revealed the murder suspect wore a trenchcoat as well, even in the late spring heat. This might explain why liberal commentators wouldn't deal with the killings directly, but rather hastened their retreat towards safety up to the heights of elite criticism, feet barely touching the ground, scorching the earth behind them as they went, the abstraction proceeding from the gun culture of the state, barely touching his white skin color, dropping a few words about his bland emotional affect, nodding in approval while rushing past the speaking Governor Abbott, pressing play on a powerpoint about mass shootings in general while whooshing through the state house, and ending in Governor Cuomo's office in violent-crime-ridden New York as he is on Twitter attempting to extort an intemperate act from Trump by laying the responsibility of the atrocity at his feet while assuming a feigned shock, and if you can imagine worse, even casting lurid shadows on the Bill of Rights itself.
Ahhh, VargasMilan! I had thought you might be losing your rhetorical flair, and were unable to improve upon your "pseudoscience that leavens science" comment, among others. Your paragraph above shows that you haven't lost your touch. SamHB (talk) 15:45, 24 May 2018 (EDT)
Yes, but please bear in mind, in these cases, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. VargasMilan (talk) 03:09, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
What a show! I bet by now you've nearly forgotten about the trenchcoat...but yes it was tolerance, liberal tolerance that permitted the murder suspect to carry out a mass-killing homage over a period of months or more by way of the resembling attire he wore–I wonder if that might have been identified as a warning flag for an attitude of disrespect or contempt, that maybe wouldn't have even required the Governor of one of our largest states to evoke the spectre of a constitutional crisis?VargasMilan (talk) 04:54, 20 May 2018 (EDT)
Trenchcoats are from the school shooting scene in Basketball Dairies (1995). Here is a clip. Thanks, Hollywood. PeterKa (talk) 17:02, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

Stefan Halper

We have a Stafan Halper page with his extensive bio back to 1971. Additionally, Halper is already cited as an authority on the neoconservativism page. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:57, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

Sooo...Brennan, Comey, and possibly Rosenstein outed Halper to the NYT - a possible violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:14, 21 May 2018 (EDT)
Halper was paid more $1 million to invite Carter Page and George Papadopoulos to England. This allowed the FBI to treat the pair as international spies.[13] Apparently, all four FISA judges fell for this transparent scam. PeterKa (talk) 01:24, 22 May 2018 (EDT)
We have no evidence any of this was presented to the FISA court. It was an entrapment sting concocted by Brennan (similiar to the sting operation on Don Jr & Kushner at Trump Tower) so Brennan could tell Comey & the Gang of 8 that UK intelligence told him Trump people were in contact with Russians. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:33, 22 May 2018 (EDT)
Whoa! Caught a mistake in your link which is sourced from Zerohedge. The chart reads: Recipient Name Start Date End Date Amount Awarding Agency

HQ003416P0148 HALPER, STEFAN 9/26/2016 3/29/2018 $411,575 Department of Defense HQ003415C0100 HALPER, STEFAN 9/24/2015 9/27/2016 $244,960 Department of Defense

...meaning Halper was paid by DOD up to March 29 of this year, 2018. True, he was paid something 1 day after the Isakoff article on Sept. 23, 2026. But Tyler Durden of Zerohedge is reading the chart wrong. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:51, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Significance of the Halper leak: the DOJ (Rosenstein presumably) was trying to set up Nunes & Gowdy as outing the identity of a CIA asset. "the mother of all leaks". Nunes is getting close to the nerve center of the origins of Obama's illegal investigation (Brennan PIDOOMA'd it). The DOJ since December claims it came about through the Halper/Papadopoulos/Carter Page connections. Brennan & Rosenstein are willing to sacrifice Halper, who isn't likely to serve any jail time, to keep Comey, Brennan, Sally Yates, McCabe, Baker, et al out of jail.

While a big story and more evidence of abuse (legislation will be required to fix this), it's not the final conclusion. More importantly, we see another set up of Nunes & Gowdy attending a briefing similar to how Trump was set up January 6, 2017 followed up by collusion between Clapper & CNN with leaks designed to destroy Trump's reputation. This leaves a somewhat ambiguous question: Who in the DOJ violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act by leaking the details of Halper to the NYT (see Valarie Plame affair, for instance) in order to coverup a bigger crime? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:19, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Mueller investigation

Actually, Grassley just asked Rosenstein to cite specifically which statute or regulation allows for the appointment of a Special Counsel in a counterintelligence investigation. The law states specifically only in criminal investigations. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:38, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

Blue wave

The website Marketwatch reported concerning the aftermath of the 2016 presidential race: Trump’s win is causing a surge in demand for mental health services[1] See: Secular leftists and psychogenic illness

Reuters: Blue wave turning into a Blue sinkhole. [14] RobSDeep Six the Deep State!`

With so many warhorses retiring and the voters swinging our way, this is definitely the year to run for Congress as a Republican. Check out Limbaugh's "red wave" graphic. PeterKa (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
RED WAVE! "Let's go surfing now. Everybody's learning how. Come on a sarfari with me!" - Beach Boys.Conservative (talk) 10:52, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
The Cook Political Report, followed by congresspeople of both parties, has a new midterm forecast that classifies 211 House seats as solid, likely, or lean Republican compared to 192 seats for the Dems. There are also 32 "tossup" races. Republicans have the edge in almost all of these. It could be quite a wave. PeterKa (talk) 19:41, 23 May 2018 (EDT)
The website Marketwatch reported concerning the aftermath of the 2016 presidential race: Trump’s win is causing a surge in demand for mental health services[15]
When the red wave hits the beach during the 2018 midterm elections, there is going to be an uptake in mental health services (See: Secular leftists and psychogenic illness). Conservative (talk) 00:09, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

North Korea test site demolition

This is worth adding on both here and Wikpedia's current event page for today:

  • "North Korea is expected to demolish their nuclear test site in the next two days ahead of the planned summit meeting with Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un. [16]

--MaddieJ (talk) 11:34, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

I don't see what good dynamiting a nuclear waste site that will be uninhabitable for the next 240,000 years will do. No wonder NK is suddenly interested in allowing US technicians & expertise in.RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 22:35, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

The upside to yesterday's Twitter ruling

This is an interesting perspective on yesterday's ruling that President Trump cannot block Twitter users: [17] This case (while probably a silly ruling made by some left-wing judge) could help conservatives fighting Twitter's ideological discrimination of them. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:15, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

Potholes

The UK has a road problem, The USA has a mass murder problem (Usually in conservative states). Tell me which problem you would prefer? I will stick with a hole in my tyre rather than a hole on my chest.--MarkI2 (talk) 12:27, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

"Usually in conservative states," really? Virginia (Virginia Tech) voted Democrat in the last several Presidential elections. Colorado (Aurora), used to be conservative but migrants from California have been pulling it left. Connecticut (Newtown) been Democrat for a long time. Washington, D.C. (Navy Yard shooting) long-time solidly liberal and Democrat. California (San Bernadino) Super-liberal and Democrat. Florida (Orlando) is a swing-state, but the region that Orlando is in is Liberal and Democrat. Same with Parkland. Nevada (Las Vegas) voted for Obama and Hillary in recent elections. By the way, mass shootings only make up a small fraction of total murders in the US, and most murders happen in liberal, Democrat-run cities regardless of what the rest of the state is like. Shobson20 (talk) 16:45, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
Mass murder on a scale that secular leftists have done has not been matched (see: Atheism and Mass Murder).
Should Jesus tarry, there will likely be a bloody conflict between Muslims and non-Muslims in Britain.
The word is spelled "tire". Did you go to a public school?Conservative (talk) 14:56, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
It is the English language not the American language, the word is spelt "Tyre"--GTempleton (talk) 15:46, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
While GTempleton was being an elitist jerk, the British do in fact spell tire with a y. Just like how they put U's in certain words like color/colour. Shobson20 (talk) 22:49, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
As I noted elsewhere on the main talk page and its archives, the counties where the Sandy Hook and Parkland shootings happened were overwhelmingly left-wing counties (with 2/3rds of the population voting for Clinton and only about 1/5 of residents being registered Republicans). In conservative places, like that Texas church last year (where the idiotic "gun free zones" garbage doesn't apply), or in conservative Dixon, Illinois,[18] or in Oklahoma, where every county went for Trump in 2016,[19] the shootings were stopped by people with guns. When you say "conservative states", not only is that false in most cases (since most of those states are either purple or blue), but the localities where the shootings happen are left-wing. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:34, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
I just noticed that Shobson20 made essentially the same point above (though without the law-abiding shooting-stoppers part). "MarkI2", you can comment after you get your facts straight. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:09, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
Don't forget what happened in Garland, too. Shobson20 (talk) 18:46, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
Chicago, Baltimore, Atlanta and L.A. have never been conservative or Republican, and have consistently had the highest violent crime and homicide rates for decades. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 18:52, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
New Orleans, St. Louis, Newark, and Oakland, too. By contrast, look how low the murder rate is in Idaho, with the loosest gun laws in the nation.Shobson20 (talk) 19:14, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
Or you could look at Kennesaw, Georgia, which requires gun ownership and yet has seen only one murder in six years (of a town of 30,000).[20] In places like this and Idaho, it's normal to go into a place like Walmart and see people with guns -- and contrary to what leftists will think, people aren't shooting each other. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:26, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

Most mass shootings in the USA are done by immigrants (or their progeny) and they usually come from dysfunctional societies.[21] It is the liberals/leftists who want mass immigration. Donald Trump wants to restrict immigration from dysfunctional countries.

In addition, the mentally ill are more likely to commit mass murder in America. Furthermore, the data indicates that liberals/leftists are more likely to be mentally ill.[22] See also: Atheism and psychopathy and Secular leftists and psychogenic illness.

I hope that helps clarify things.Conservative (talk) 17:29, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

By the way, the mass shooting issue has nothing to do with potholes. This is a red herring. The red herring is being used because some Brits do not want to face the national disgrace of having a road system that is below Chile in its quality due to an epidemic of potholes in Britain (see: United Kingdom's road repair crisis). Conservative (talk) 18:02, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

Summit still possible

[23] [24]

This can go to Template:Mainpageright along with today's current events on Wikipedia. This can definitely go on Wikipedia. --MaddieJ (talk) 12:32, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

Trump's just playing 'Good cop Bad cop' with Pence. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:05, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
It looks like South Korean President Moon is playing good cop to Trump's bad cop. In any case, things seem to be back on track: "Trump optimistic about North Korea summit as Moon, Kim hold surprise meeting." PeterKa (talk) 01:33, 27 May 2018 (EDT)
The media is beginning to connect the dots this is really a stand-off between the US and China, and China trade talks are inextricably linked to NK nukes. [25][26] RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 04:28, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

It's On

The summit is on and it's a giant media event. Nobody is talking "What if it fails?" Then what? NoKo starts lobbing rockets our way? It's so very serious and dealing with a leader who kills his own people by the thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands. Art of the deal, the deal broken leads directly to war. --Jpatt 20:26, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Great points. And the summit sure is being hyped by the liberal media, which is rarely a good thing.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:51, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Joshua Holt released from Venezuela

This might be worth adding [27]. --MaddieJ (talk) 15:07, 26 May 2018 (EDT)

The red wave in California

Believe it or not, this is the New York Times headline for a profile on the upcoming June 5 primaries: "Democrats Go All-Out to Avoid Disaster in California House Races." How can the Dems lose a primary, you might ask? California has non-partisan primaries in the which the top two candidates of any party go on to the general. In other words, things have gotten so bad for the party that NYT is worried the Dems can do no better than third place in the nation's most liberal state. The Dems don't necessary disagree on issues, but they might have rival candidates who are gay, female, Hispanic, Muslim, etc. Such divisions could leave them shut out of six of California's 53 House races. PeterKa (talk) 01:03, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

Spy or confidential informant?

The New York Times and The Washington Post are spewing rabid, foaming at the mouth rage because Trump called Stefan Halper a "spy" instead of a confidential informant.[28] Here's how the English language works, MSM: If someone spies on you, he's a spy. If someone spies for you, you may try to think of a nicer name. But the fact remains that he's still a spy. As Churchill put it, “Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs.” PeterKa (talk) 06:46, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

A spy is someone sent into an organization, an informant is an existing source within an organization. Halper is by definition a spy, although the FBI traditionally uses the term "informant" in court filings for deniability to hold the source at arms length RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 18:00, 29 May 2018 (EDT)

British public now protesting Tommy Robinson illegal arrest and liberal media censorship of same

Reported here in this InfoWars.com video from YouTube: [29] It also makes mention of how members of Robinson's media crew are being illegally threatened with arrest for talking about his arrest in the media. Northwest (talk) 07:56, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

Update on the Tommy Robinson situation (including some inconvenient [to the liberals] truths regarding the Islamic rape gangs and the UK Child "Protective" Service's complicity in their actions): [30] Northwest (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2018 (EDT)
In 2016, Muslims made up about 6.3% of the UK population. Pew Research's estimates are that the UK's Muslim population will be between 9.7 percent to 17.2 percent of the UK's population by 2050 depending on the level of immigration.[31]
According to Dr. Peter Hammond:
"When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris --car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons)....
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning: Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%".[32]
One thing for certain, the Muslim/evangelical immigration into the UK is affecting the level of creationism in the country. Johns Hopkins University Press reported in 2014: "Over the past forty years, creationism has spread swiftly among European Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, and Muslims, even as anti-creationists sought to smother its flames."[33] In addition, the rate of secularization in Britain appears to be zero (see: UK and secularism).
At the same time, Europe does have a bloody history. Muslims could eventually be expelled from Europe or there could be civil wars within European nations due to Islam or other conflicts. For example, the Reconquista was the reconquest by Christians of the Iberian Peninsula (nowadays Spain and Portugal), which was under Muslim control. Here is a 2016 report about France which has a large Muslim population: ​Jews are leaving France in record numbers amid rising anti-Semitism and fears of more Isis-inspired terror attacks. If there is a backlash against Muslims in Europe, Muslim could be forced to flee Europe. See: Essay: Anders Breivik is the canary in the mine showing that right-wing politics could become much more violent.
Hopefully, there will be a Christian revival in Europe. I do know that John Wesley is frequently credited with avoiding a violent revolution from occurring in Britain (which of course happened in France (see: French Revolution). And Jesus did say, "Blessed are the peacemakers". As far as peace, it does take two to tango so to speak and unfortunately Muslims are not assimilating in Europe and Islam has a very blood past compared to other religions. Vox Day wrote: "It’s also interesting to note that more than half of these religious wars, sixty-six in all, were waged by Islamic nations, which is rather more than might be statistically expected considering that the first war in which Islam was involved took place almost three millennia after the first war chronicled in the Encyclopedia, Akkad’s conquest of Sumer in 2325 B.C.".[34]Conservative (talk) 10:28, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

Right now, secularism/atheism/irreligion is a spent force in Europe with low morale and a bleak future and this situation will continue and go well beyond 2100 should Jesus tarry (see: European desecularization in the 21st century and Militant atheism vs. Christianity, Islam and right-wing ideology). Conservative (talk) 10:37, 27 May 2018 (EDT)

Pardon Martha Stewart

Trump is said to be considering a pardon for Martha Stewart, who was convicted of "lying to the FBI" in 2004. James Comey was the prosecutor in the case. It is well-documented in psychology that witnesses to the same event may remember it differently simply because of the way memory works. Stewart is hardly the first person to be convicted of lying to the FBI. But her case was unusual at the time in that there was no issue of an underlying crime for her to cover up. The case created a precedent that was used against Scooter Libby in 2005 and Michael Flynn in 2017. Knowing that the tactic was Comey's brainchild leads to an obvious question: "Why didn't he use it against Hillary?" I think it's safe to conclude that Comey and the FBI treat this tactic as a fig leaf to justify partisan prosecution. PeterKa (talk) 21:34, 31 May 2018 (EDT)

It was a twin agenda - exonerate Hillary for her crimes and frame Trump on crimes he did not commit. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:14, 6 June 2018 (EDT)

Overseas informants in the Trump campaign

Let's get focused. This should be the main issue in both the 2018 and 2020 elections - the FBI, Clinton campaign, and Obama Democrats used foreigners, Brits, Australian, Russian, Estonian, etc. to meddle in American democracy. Not a shred of evidence Trump colluded with any foreign individuals or entities. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:10, 6 June 2018 (EDT)

Elections aside, your man in Germany is working on it by "empowering European conservatives". Hopefully he means real conservatives and not rag-tag bands of football hooligans like the English Defence League, Rafael (talk) 01:51, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
Hopefully Angela Merkel and David Cameron are not what you mean by "real conservatives." --1990'sguy (talk) 19:46, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

Likely scenario

(A) OIG report & Obama FBI election meddling pushes corruption issue to the fore; (B) during abbreviated August recess, Trump (C) cans Sessions and (D) makes recess appointment of Judge Jeanine Pirro as AG, who then (E) relieves Rod Rosenstein of managing the Mueller probe, (F) assumes control herself, (G) re-assigns Rosenstein elsewhere, and (H) replaces Mueller with a neutral arbiter, who proceeds to implement ethical rules and replaces Clinton cronies & donors. (I) The reputation of the Special Counsel could further be salvaged by (J) writing an interim report exonerating Trump and associates, and (K) adding to the mandate instructions to prosecute those perpetrators who colluded with Russia and foreigners to interfere in the election, i.e., Hillary, Glenn Simpson, John Podesta, Brennan, Comey, etc etc etc. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 20:54, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

oconus lures

Beware of misstating the significance! While it dates from December 2015, it pre-dates the primaries. It proves the Obama FBI was ready to frame whoever the GOP nominee was, Jeb, Rubio, Cruz, etc. It is more evidence that the Hillary email whitewash & Russia collusion narrative are all ONE scandal in the Obama DOJ, and not so much that Trump alone was specifically targeted. By not having command of the facts, you weaken your own argument and play into the denials of media/deep state operatives. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 11:44, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Good points, but Trump was the only one the Deep State opposed. The other GOP candidates were pro-Deep State. Also, December 2015 was one of the early peak months of the primary battle.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:35, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think Ben Carson even supported the Deep State. Pokeria1 (talk) 17:24, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
Andy, I'm almost of a mind that Hillary withheld her emails as bait for a "Russia collusion" conspiracy theory, knowing she had allies in the MSM & IC who would support her, that she was "tuff on Putin," knowing Uranium One, the Russian Reset, and Russisn intervention in Syria would be 2016 issues. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:48, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Oh, Cons! You're doing it again!

You wrote, on MPR:

A Bundestag parliament session was shut down amid an uproar which is a rare occurrence.

Perhaps you meant

A Bundestag parliament session was shut down amid an uproar, which is a rare occurrence.

As written, you said that there are lots of uproars, some of which are rare occurrences and some of which are not. (Yes, that makes no sense conceptually, but never mind that.) And the one that shut down the Bundestag session was of the former kind.

I've told you about this error many times! SamHB (talk) 02:29, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

Thanks. I fixed it.Conservative (talk) 02:47, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

The feds have separated Manafort from his family too

In view of the media's current family unification mania, isn't it time for Trump to pardon Manafort? See Rush Limbaugh. PeterKa (talk) 08:00, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

What really annoys me is that nobody is talking about the fact that it's normal to separate people accused of crimes from their families. If it's OK to do it to American citizens, why is it somehow immoral to do it to people who knowingly break our immigration laws? We should pass a law stopping this for American citizens before we do it for illegal migrants. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:18, 18 June 2018 (EDT)
Elián González's mom sacrificed her own life so her son could have a better life in America. But giving Castro a propaganda victory was more important to the left at that time. Mark Steyn has a great take. A U.S. immigration officer once threatened not to let his Canadian-born daughter into the country. He responded that as a responsible father he would in that case stay in Canada himself. These parents faced a similar choice and decided to continue to the U.S. PeterKa (talk) 08:26, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

If I shoplift a candy bar from a convenience store, I get separated from my family. And I'm an American citizen. If I get a DWI with a child in car, I get additional charges of child abuse. Progressives argue that non-citizens have rights that Americans citizens don't have. Their arguments are not based on logic, rationale, or equal justice. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 08:15, 21 June 2018 (EDT)

The media coverage is all "Trump is inhuman" and "Trump supporters, you're inhuman for clapping when he speaks." What does media think should be done about the problem? The argument they imply, but never state explicitly, is that the U.S. should have no immigration restrictions of any kind. Hey, Dems! Run on that platform! The family separation issue is a cynical wedge. Time ran picture of a crying little girl on its cover and later had to acknowledge that the child in question was not separated from her mother. In one way, what difference does it make? One child looks pretty much like another and they all cry. PeterKa (talk) 23:47, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
Open borders advocates who advocate unresticted asylum are enabling human trafficking. Let's be clear on this. There is nothing "humane" about their arguments. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:56, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Israel was just attacked by another rocket onslaught from Hamas

Israel was just attacked by another rocket onslaught from Hamas. [35] --David B (TALK) 16:20, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

"Teach, but don't teach THAT!!" (Pro-life education in a public school)

In other news, "a middle school teacher in Sacramento, California, is under investigation by the Sacramento City Unified School District after showing videos about the reality of abortion." These videos consist of Dr. Anthony Levatino explaining in detailed medical terms the modern abortion practices. The students were understandably "disturbed" and this led to the investigation. [36] --David B (TALK) 17:08, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

The death of single-issue politics

Earlier today, socialist activist David Hogg (the one who's supposedly the face of the gun control "movement") again called for boycotting Laura Ingraham's show -- but it had nothing to do with guns. It was because Ingraham made the ghastly and unforgivable sin of actually defending the Trump Administration's immigration policies, worst of all, actually daring to say that the illegal minors are actually being treated quite well by the government[37] (better than millions of American children[38][39][40]). In addition to illustrating how rabid the Left has become (since when was it acceptable to call for destroying a political commentator's life simply because of some mild and 100% defensible comments they made?), this shows that "single-issue" politics are a thing of the past. Gun control activists are essentially synonymous with open borders activists, or pro-abortion (murder) activists, or homosexual agenda activists. There's no difference. Political groups which once focused on a single issue (such as Planned Parenthood) now advocate for multiple different topic areas. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:31, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

David Hogg has very little power related the gun rights/control issue. He is boxed in by Supreme Court case precedents concerning the Second Amendment.Conservative (talk) 00:25, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
The problem is that the Supreme Court still has a lot of leeway for future decisions -- the only real court precedent is that Americans can actually own a gun inside their house. There have been no decisions on "assault" rifle bans, the minimum age, constitutional carry, or other issues -- and left-wing activist judges would love to rule on such issues. --1990'sguy (talk) 00:36, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
It looks like Angela Merkel is about to suffer a knockout blow due to the immigration issue. Single issue politics is not dead yet. Conservative (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
What I mean is, people who hold a certain position on one issue, such as support for gun control, or for abortion, or whatever, these days are almost always (if not outright always) going to support everything else on the left-wing agenda (and it's the same thing for conservatives). There are very few, if any, people who truly mix conservative and leftist views on political issues. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:34, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

Please see: Europe’s left turns right on immigration. At some point, leftists will throw one of their planks out the window.Conservative (talk) 21:42, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

See also: Denmark swings right on immigration – and Muslims feel besieged.Conservative (talk) 21:47, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

Strzok out at FBI

Although deep state ringleader Peter Strzok was dismissed from Mueller's team months ago for his Trump-hating cell phone messages, he was still an FBI agent in good standing until Friday: "Report: Agent Peter Strzok Was Escorted from FBI Building Friday." This was the guy who noticed that Hillary deleted 33,000 email messages and concluded, "No obstruction of justice here, folks!" What do you want to bet that he was bribed, like McCabe? PeterKa (talk) 01:18, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

I don't think he was bribed as much as he's just a die-hard Democrat who would do anything - legal or otherwise - to get Hillary elected. Karajou (talk) 03:27, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
In reading the IG report, it looks like the fix came from DOJ (Lynch, Yates, Axelrod, Carlin, and Toscas). The FBI made some rather lame objections (that is Comey, McCabe & Strzok) but only to cover their own butts ("preserve the integrity of the institution"). I was reading a section last nite where Strzok was the loan hero surrounded by a bunch of crooks - probably what he was anxious to testify about. Horowitz and Huber are working on FISA abuse and the Trump-Russia scam right now. They probably found some serious criminal conduct and fired him on the spot.
In perspective, I'll hypothesize the Hillary whitewash was a DOJ operation that the FBI was more less forced to go along with, whereas the FBI (along with Brennan & Brennan's boys Halper, Mifsud, Downer, possibly even Papadopoulos and Carter Page, too) is the lead agency in the Trump-Russia investigation, and DOJ is riding in the backseat, at least til it comes to FISA abuse.
Democrats are in a difficult spot now: if they oppose FBI reform, they are consenting to Trump surveilling whoever the Democrat nominee in 2020 is, and the entire Democrat nominee team. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 10:34, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
The text message recently released by Horowitz supports the idea that the FBI leadership did it because it was just that partisan and anti-democratic. (Page: "[Trump's] not ever going to become president, right? Right?!" Strzok: "No. No he won't. We'll stop it.") Did Strzok really think the outcome of the presidential election was in his hands? Men have been known to exaggerate when trying to impress a girl. I assume the fish rotted from the head down and these lackies were just following Obama's instructions. We know that Obama met Strzok and Page in person to discuss the Russia probe. PeterKa (talk) 23:34, 21 June 2018 (EDT)
Strzok was acting on orders. Strzok was the interdepartmental liaison between the FBI & CIA (between Brennan and McCabe), as the "oconus lures" text corroborates. Brennan organized the network of "lures" which then Strzok oversaw the counterintelligence probe.
Remember, Midyear & Trump-Russia are intertwined: First exonerate Hillary, then frame the GOP nominee. The motivation is the same in all machine politics: Strzok was hoping to be appointed a deputy AG or deputy FBI director someday, or US Attorney and appointment to the federal bench by President Hillary. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:44, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
Strzok refers to "All our oconus lures." So Halper wasn't the only informant outside the continental United States who did political spying for the FBI. What's a lure? "The Justice Department describes a lure as a technique used to “entice a criminal defendant to leave a foreign country so that he or she can be arrested in the United States.”"[41] The more you know about the DOJ, the sleazier the place looks.
Strzok's message was sent in December 2015 at about the same time Podesta wrote his infamous email claiming that the "best approach is to slaughter Donald for his bromance with Putin." Clinton's campaign manager says, "jump." Strzok responds "How high?" PeterKa ok(talk) 19:16, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
The scandal is much bigger than the DOJ/FBI. It includes State Department, CIA, ODNI, the Obama White House, and indeed is international in scope with elements of the Atlantic Council. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:15, 22 June 2018 (EDT)


The J. Edgar Hoover building needs to be renamed. J. Edgar Hoover abused his power and the headquarters of the FBI should not be named after him. Changing the name of the building will send a signal to the FBI that lawlessness by FBI personnel will not be tolerated.Conservative (talk) 19:32, 22 June 2018 (EDT)

And right across the street is the Robert F. Kennedy building housing Main Justice. As to Hoover, much of his life isn't quite understood. No one in American history understood the depth of Soviet Communist infiltration in the US government as Hoover did (See Soviet spies in America (1921-1948)). These are your fellow citizens and Democrats who gave the nuclear bomb to our enemies and started the insane nuclear arms race and Cold War that cost about 25% of World GDP for 50 years. Unfortunately, much of Hoover's legacy and reputation is written by his enemies and is communist agitprop. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:27, 22 June 2018 (EDT)
"The Soviet Union responded by having the KGB's Section A for Disinformation and Active Measures fabricate disinformation smearing Hoover's character. Service A produced clumsily forged letters linking Hoover to the John Birch Society, and accusing him of pressuring a State Department employee to turn over information on suspected leftists. The KGB leaked forged letters to left-wing gossip columnist Drew Pearson, two of whose legmen, Andrew Older and David Karr, were Soviet assets, and planted a disinformation story that Hoover was a homosexual."

If Strzok was fired, why is he still working in FBI HR? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 00:05, 13 July 2018 (EDT)

MPR: "reject science"

  • Liberals view the field of science like a sacred deity. Will they reject science now that the results show they are more likely to be psychotic? [8]

Perhaps this can be re-worded to have less of a negative vulgar stereotype toward people of faith. Something like "will they learn to prioritize knowledge", for example. As is, it sounds like CP is promoting ignorance. RobSDeep Six the Deep State!

Mueller's indictment of Russian entities peters out

Mueller's indictment of Russian entities and Facebook trolls is being downgraded and handed over to non-Special Counsel assistant U.S. attorneys: "Facing humiliation, Mueller backs away from prosecution of Russian entities." This indictment was announced with a great deal of fanfare in the media, yet it turns out to be a dead end. Mueller has done this "Big hat, no cattle" act before. Mueller's FBI forced New York Governor Elliot Spitzer to resign in 2008 by leaking tittle tattle about his wenching habits. Spitzer was never even indicted. PeterKa (talk) 13:03, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

Lol. The proverbial ham sandwich. It's beginning to look like it will be wrapped up before election day. Guiliani needs to finish negotiating immunity for Michael Cohen and Manafort so they can represent Trump in his interview with Mueller and a pre-determined outcome, ala Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills, and Heather Samuelson. Then we can get to the business of NOT reforming the FBI & FISA courts so Trump can begin counterintelligence surveillance on Kamala Harris as a threat to national security, per the Democrat's precedents. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 13:40, 23 June 2018 (EDT)
Sooo, instead of saving the Republic, they're just gonna have a fire sale on office furniture and equipment. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:32, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

Separating children and human trafficing

Democrats took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. "Refugees" fleeing violence often have no papers or documentation. They can't prove the children they have are their children. So it looks like a lot of pimps I mean "fathers" will be bringing their 15 year old "daughters" to America. Remember: victims of sex abuse and human trafficing will have the progressives and Trump-haters to thank for their plight. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 11:55, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

Future of European atheism

There were some substantial updates to the article French President Emmanuel Macron's recent comment is another bellwether that European atheism has a bleak future.

More written content and more video content have been added.Conservative (talk) 12:36, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Britain is no longer a 'tier one' military power

Now you see why the globalist conspiracy (masterminded by John Brennan) to destroy Trump. At a time more US taxpayer resources would be needed to keep a dead horse alive, Trump was talking about making NATO allies pay their fair share. Hence the Russian bogeyman, too. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:42, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Britain barely won the Falklands War.[42]Conservative (talk) 09:13, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
They took the capital, Stanley (Population 800), with barely a shot fired and minimum destruction of property. I don't know how NATO can exist without their help. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 13:04, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

IG report: political bias

The IG did not say there was no political bias. The IG said the people he interviewed said they did not believe there was political bias.

Unfortunately, you've posted up leftist fake news talking points on MPR. You need to read the IG report, not a fake news synopsis. The IG is not the final judge. The IG's job is simply to determine facts. Just as in the email investigation, the FBI said Hillary lacked intent, the IG simply is saying Comey and prosecutors did not admit to bias. The IG clearly says their reasoning and processes are not how he would have handled the investigation, but it is not his job to insert his own perogatives into the report.

Please stop this attack and effort to discredit it - the more important FISA abuse & Russia probes are yet to come. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 13:43, 26 June 2018 (EDT)

Joe Biden article

USA Today: Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton top 2020 Democratic presidential candidates in new poll.[43]

Could we be proactive and expand the Joe Biden article.Conservative (talk) 03:22, 1 July 2018 (EDT)

If Biden leads the polls, this means the door is open for a dark horse, like Kamala Harris or Elizabeth Warren. In fact, Biden himself has said encouraging words about Harris. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:00, 1 July 2018 (EDT)

Florida school board nearly rejected textbooks after complaints from creationists. Conservapedia was cited

A Florida school board nearly rejected textbooks after complaints from creationists.

"Florida Citizens’ Alliance co-director Keith Flaugh cited the following websites as sources for his pro-creationism stance: Godandscience.org; Creation.com; Christiananswers.net; and Conservapedia.com."[44]

Evolutionists have yet to satisfactorily answer the 15 questions for evolutionists.

This incident made atheist activist Hemant Mehta's blood boil. :)Conservative (talk) 09:51, 1 July 2018 (EDT)

Borderline hysteria

Hillary blamed the FBI and the Russians for her defeat, but a quick look at the polling numbers confirms that her "deplorables" comment had a greater impact on her electability. It seems that liberals have learned nothing. Or perhaps they prefer hurling childish insults to winning elections. Trump's border policy has them shouting "inhuman," which seems to be the new deplorable.
Trump's border policy is modeled on George W. Bush's "zero tolerance" immigration policy, adjusted to take into account Flores v. Lynch (2016), which bans the joint detention of families for more than 20 days. Really, there is nothing in it that hasn't been done before. See "Yes, Obama separated families at the border, too" and "Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went viral showing locked-up immigrant children."
After six years of taking a hardline on immigration, Obama decided in 2014 that immigration law wasn't for him. He went "full Bullworth," as he put it, and encouraged the Mexicans to organize treks to the U.S. border by migrants from Central America. The press of children at the border has continued since. PeterKa (talk) 21:31, 1 July 2018 (EDT)

Sooo....Democrats want to abolish ICE, let the 9/11 hijackers back in the country, and are pro-child trafficing advocates. Looks more like a divided party than a winning coalition. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 21:55, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
The polls are in, and they confirm that this issue is a loser for Dems: "Immigration top issue for U.S. voters, economy a close second: Reuters/Ipsos poll." It's Republicans who think immigration is the top issue. For Dems, it's only No. 3, after healthcare and the economy. Hey, what happened to global warming? Although the Dems are firmly convinced that the end is nigh, it's apparently not that big a deal in the larger scheme of things. PeterKa (talk) 10:12, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
You'd think transgender bathrooms would be more important than creating jobs in China. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 10:27, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

Bernie Sanders not "left enough"

Accodring to Breitbart, Bernie Sanders is not being considered left enough, because of his hesitance to call for the abolition of ICE.[45] --Mankind AIG (talk) 23:44, 2 July 2018 (EDT)

Now does this make any sense? Since when do Democrats call for elimination of government jobs and agencies? or less regulation, smaller government, and more personal freedom? We know they're just blowing smoke. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:18, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

Donald Trump reverses a race-based, Obama era practice

Donald Trump has reversed the practice of race based college admission.[46] Whether you are a Trump fan or not, this was the right thing to do. Meritocracy and Equality Before the Law are fundamental principles. --Mankind AIG (talk) 18:54, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

What's most interesting to me is not just that the CNN "civil rights" groups cited are unable to use neutral terminology when they respond to some questions about Jeff Sessions removing the legislative-shaping "guidelines" concerning college admissions, "guidelines" imposed through the Obama administration's executive branch in order to circumvent the participation of Congress in their constitutional role, but simply that one of the groups thinks a 40-year long race-based admissions policy proudly serves as a precedent for an unending advantage for blacks through those policies.
Don't they know that these legislative, and up-to-now executive, advantages have been ruled upon by the federal courts with regard to college admissions in a Michigan case that advances the achievement of the non-constitutional principle of "diversity", but that at least acknowledges right in the decision that the effect of the law being applied will be that it will have achieved its purpose in a finite number of years, namely until the year 2028?
If so, we might do well to look elsewhere to other "civil rights" organizations to guide our thinking about those rights rather than potentially expose the public to misinformation about them. How about it, CNN? VargasMilan (talk) 06:56, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

'Baby Trump' ballooon may fly during Trump's London visit

During the inevitable left--wing, hooligan protests of Trump's UK visit, an obnoxious 'Baby Trump' balloon could fly over the capital. It was authorised by London's Mayor Sadiq Khan (under Khan's leadership knife crime has rocketed in London). Ex-UKIP leader Nigel Farage rightly called it "the biggest insult to a sitting US President ever." I like to think that many of us in the UK have more in common with Farage's way of thinking than with these left-wing, sour protesters (many of whom still cry themselves to sleep when thinking about Trump's election and the Brexit vote.--RWRW (talk) 10:33, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

The reality is that UK/Britain and the USA should increase those they do fair trade with. Given the "special relationship" between the countries, it would be crazy not to hammer out a mutually beneficial trade deal between the USA/UK.Conservative (talk) 21:35, 10 July 2018 (EDT)
The whole thing turned out to be boring and pathetic despite the media hype -- they spent over $26,000 in U.S. dollars just to get some small balloon that barely even got above the trees: [47][48] Raheem Kassam makes a good point here. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:13, 13 July 2018 (EDT)
This tweet accurately shows what we expected and what actually happened with that balloon.
Also, these links show how sophisticated and civilized these anti-Trump protestors are,[49][50] people who MSNBC called "courageous". Meanwhile, the media calls pro-Trump protestors (who actually look decent, sane, and patriotic) "far-right."[51][52] --1990'sguy (talk) 12:25, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

Scott Pruitt

Seems worth noting his resignation for obvious corruption. GustavG (talk) 13:43, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

What are you talking about? Khan hasn't resigned. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:00, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I tried to create the header above by clicking "New section", don't know why it didn't work. GustavG (talk) 14:29, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
Like usual, the Obama Administration was even more corrupt: [53][54][55][56] Only this time, the mainstream media isn't on their side. Thus, all the focus on Pruitt's ethical problems. It creates the false impression that the Trump Administration (and other conservative governments around the world) are ridiculously corrupt while the Obama Administration is filled with angels. Also, I refer you to the Obamagate and Russiagate timeline articles. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:38, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
I never said anything about the Obama administration, I only said Pruitt stepped down due to flagrantly abusing his office for months. It seems worth mentioning. GustavG (talk) 16:09, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
If Pruitt were in the Obama administration, he may have never stepped down. Comey and Holder did not step down despite their obviously scandalous behavior.Conservative (talk) 18:19, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
And that's an excuse... how? Don't you wish to hold yourself to a higher standard? GustavG (talk) 18:35, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
Pruitt could take over from John Kelly as White House chief of staff. He's got plenty of executive experience and a position closer to Trump may be good for him and the country. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:10, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
@GustavG: Conservatives do hold themselves to a much higher standard than the Left -- that's why Pruitt and other Trump Administration officials resigned while no one in the Obama Administration resigned for equal and greater offenses. Also, the GOP is not trying to pack the courts, increase the number of Supreme Court justices, end the filibuster, or end the Electoral College. They have been very moderate in legislation voted on, and Trump (as hard as it is for the Left to believe) have governed quite moderately, compared to his campaign promises and tone. The Left, on the other hand, is not going to use the same caution -- they're rabid with hate and bigotry for those they disagree with. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:32, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

Scott Pruitt's political career is toast. He will need to get work in the private sector. Conservative (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

Elizabeth Warren DNA challenge

This is a master stroke: "Trump: I would offer Warren $1M to prove her Native American heritage." When Warren was hired as a professor at Harvard in 1995, she said nothing about being an American Indian. A few years later, she started listing herself as a minority, apparently in a bid to get tenure. Preposterously, she was hailed as Harvard's "first woman of color."[57] Judging from the Rachel Dolezal episode, the media will not tolerate white people falsely claiming to be black. Yet somehow Warren remains a darling of the mainstream media. PeterKa (talk) 17:02, 7 July 2018 (EDT)

What a farce: Even the New York Times denies Elizabeth Warren is native. New Mexico Could Elect First Native American Woman to Congress, June 6, 2018. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:15, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
To be fair, the New York Times has a bit of amnesia regarding leftist candidates (I remember that Bill Clinton was shilled as the "first black president" before Obama officially got the title.), so it's unclear whether they actually deny it or just have selective memory regarding those they push for election in this case. And personally, I think that Fauxahontas SHOULD take that DNA test, at least there we can make it fully official that she's NOT actually of native American descent. Pokeria1 (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2018 (EDT)
The candidate to be the First Native American Woman (born female, that is) elected to Congress boasts being 30 years sober (to avoid vulgar stereotypes). Must be an effort by Democrats to reach outside the party. She also claims, "Congress has never heard a voice like mine." Yes we have. Maxine Waters. RobSDeep Six the Deep State!

U.S. Rep. Jim Jordan

Freedom Caucus leader Jim Jordan is on the defensive for allegedly failing to pass along sexual allegations made by wrestlers against team physician Richard Strauss. Jordan was assistant wrestling coach at Ohio State University in 1987 to 1995. So these allegations actually pre-date the Clinton era. If none of the wrestlers made a formal complaint, what was Jordan supposed to do about it? The allegations originate with the Perkins Coie firm of Steele Dossier fame. So they can be viewed as a Deep State hit, yet another dirty trick of the kind we have come to expect from Mueller and his ilk. Perhaps it's payback for Jordan's aggressive questioning of Rosenstien. Will this new standard of propriety ever be applied to Hillary? Not only did she know of the allegations against her husband long before the rest of us, she denounced the special counsel investigation as a "vast right-wing conspiracy." PeterKa (talk) 07:30, 8 July 2018 (EDT)

A manufactured scandal like this is best handled by ignoring it. It only matters in Jordans home district, where he's running for reelection. We should not treat the ongoing back-and-forth between Perkins Coie and Jordan as if it were a national story. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 08:00, 8 July 2018 (EDT)
Perkins, Coie represents OSU in this case, and not any of the wrestlers.[58] After all these years, the university decides to reinvestigate? Strauss is dead now. Something doesn't smell right. PeterKa (talk) 08:53, 8 July 2018 (EDT)

Hillary 2020. Say what?

Yes folks, Hillary 2020 is now officially a thing, with multiple news stories and even polling data to legitimize it: "This Hillary Clinton Running In 2020 Rumor Has People Really Split On How They Feel." It's another Clinton money raising gimmick, I assume. Senator Kamala Harris was supposed to be the Clinton machine's front gal by now. But she has fizzled. Sanders and Biden are too old for another run. That leaves us with the sorry spectacle of Hillary vs. Warren, at least for now. PeterKa (talk) 02:07, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

You're right, it's a money raising gimmick and trial balloon to test how she stacks up in polling data against Biden, Harris, and Warren. My analysis: She has ZERO support among (1) Millennials, (2) Sanders supporters, (3) the #MeToo movement, (4) Democrats who think Trump is vulnerable in 2020, (5) an increasing number of black and minority voters coming over to Trump. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:28, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

America, who is driving the bus?

AdChoices link

This Conservative News and Views article at one point says "god, government and family". For some reason "God" didn't get capitalized. Thank you for attending to this. VargasMilan (talk) 02:53, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

They may also wish to speak with AdChoices about this puzzling link with an undeleted expletive. Strange and stranger. VargasMilan (talk) 03:32, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Peter Strzok, the Joe McCarthy of modern red baiting

What's a red baiting movement without a bombastic windbag? Former FBI agent Peter Strzok went before Congress on Thursday, gave an opening statement lauding his own patriotism, and then refused to answer questions. He claimed an FBI lawyer advised him not to.[59] If it's true, the lawyer should be fired. Otherwise, Strzok should go to jail. In the weeks just prior to the 2016 election, there was a storm of news stories about Trump's supposed Russia connections that were apparently based on FBI leaks. A year and a half of investigation has added little or nothing to those early accusations. Yet Chris Hayes at MSNBC thinks Strzok should get a "monument to thank him for his professionalism and discretion."[60] PeterKa (talk) 22:38, 12 July 2018 (EDT)

Strzok testified Bruce Ohr gave the Steele dossier to the FBI. Next up: Let Nellie Ohr and Bruce Ohr testify who they gave fraudulent evidence to (likely McCabe) that was used to (1) open the Trump-Russia investigation without probable cause using paid opposition research, and (2) to hoax the FISA court. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:55, 12 July 2018 (EDT)
Strzok used the hearing less to answer questions than as an opportunity to pound away at anti-Trump and anti-Republican themes, much like a Rachel Maddow broadcast. Could the charge of FBI bias be confirmed in any more dramatic way? He's not being protected by the Congress, by the president, or by any other constitutionally designated authority. He doesn't even have a powerful position of his own as an FBI administrator anymore. The Deep State is enough -- and he knows it.
Strzok's claim to have exercised discretion led numerous news accounts of the hearing. But this is clearly perjury. There is no question that Strzok was the FBI agent who leaked the Russia story to the media in the closing days of the 2016 campaign. His lawyer has already admitted that Strzok “actively ensured that news reports didn’t overplay the seriousness of the investigation.” Once a reluctant redbaiter, Strzok is now a full-throated conspiracy theorist. See "Peter Strzok, A Cocky Liar to the End." PeterKa (talk) 06:37, 13 July 2018 (EDT)
Lisa Page is said to be testifying today. Lisa Page is the one who provided the text messages to the IG while she was cooperating with the IG investigation, before she was fired. It's unlikely Strzok & Lisa Page's stories will match up. In addition to a contempt citation which Strzok worked hard to earn from the first question, he may be facing purjury charges as well. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 10:45, 13 July 2018 (EDT)

Mueller indicts 12 more ham sandwiches

Hold the mustard. Make mine mayonnaise with a slice of cheddar. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:52, 13 July 2018 (EDT)

I assume this is aimed at the Trump-Putin summit. I guess Trump didn't get permission from Mueller. Why do we need elections or a constitution? Mueller knows best. PeterKa (talk) 00:49, 14 July 2018 (EDT)
Very well put, Rob: "Mueller indicts 12 more ham sandwiches."!!!! That would make for a great headline. Do I have your permission, Rob, to copy your clever phrase?--Andy Schlafly (talk) 01:04, 14 July 2018 (EDT)
Please do. And here's the best clip from the Strzok testimony. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:10, 14 July 2018 (EDT)
The Russians have a long history of technological success (Sputnik, nuclear weapons, etc.). Some of the best hackers in the world are Russian. Kaspersky, a Russian company, is a top of the line anti-virus software. Putin HATED Hillary Clinton. Wikileaks is well-known to have Russian ties and Assange hosted a television show on Russia Today (RT.com).
Also, consider: How the Russians hacked the Hillary Clinton campaign and passed its e-mails to WikiLeaks
The Russians exposed the hypocrisy of Clinton and her staff. The irony is that the left/liberals used to love the Russians during the Cold War.
Bottom line: Trump hardened the cybersecurity of the GOP. The Democrats/Clinton, after 8 years of Obama, became very complacent, arrogant and corrupt. One again, pride cometh before the fall.Conservative (talk) 08:53, 14 July 2018 (EDT)
There no evidence the Russians hacked the DNC - not even in the indictment. The DNC has never allowed the FBI see it's servers, which is what makes these indictments so corrupt and abusive, and demonstrates the DNC still controls DOJ.
If your fellow citizens, the Democrats, did not give the Russians the atomic bomb, there never would have been a Cold War, or an insane nuclear arms race that cost 25% of world GDP. The Russians would still be working on cracking the secrets of the atom. US taxpayers spent roughly the equivalent of $100 billion in today's money on the Manhattan Project; Russia today has a defense budget of $61 billion and a per capita income equal to Mexico. Your fellow citizens, the Democrats, gave Russia the bomb for about 500 bucks.
Mueller indicted these ham sandwiches for three reasons: (1) new evidence in the Murder of Seth Rich; (2) public hearings in the House which will continue all summer with 41 more witness/coup plotters to go; (3) to impugn the Trump/Putin summit. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:11, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

Good chance that Hillary Clinton will run for president in 2020

See: Hillary Clinton is probably running for President in 2020.

There will probably be a large number of Democrats running with lesser name recognition than Hillary Clinton and they will split their vote.

Hillary Clinton and the Clintons strong believe that dogged persistence pays off.Conservative (talk) 13:25, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

She's just scamming donors. Sanders has already instructed his financial backers to support Kamala Harris, and Hillary's donors can't get excited about Harris, Gillibrand, or Warren. So Hillary is just sucking up the establishment, anti-progressive money. (Similar to how Scott Walker got the Koch money, and Jeb Bush the establishment money cause Trump didn't need to ask either). Hillary hopes this will make her a king-maker later.
She's not running for the polls, she's running for the money. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:20, 15 July 2018 (EDT)
The Democrats feel a strong pull to nominate a woman. Non Hillary Clinton women candidates don't have the name recognition of Hillary Clinton.Conservative (talk) 21:47, 15 July 2018 (EDT)
Please read: From The Depths Of Hell, Hillary Clinton 2020 Could Be Brewing.
"To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." - Captain Ahab, Moby Dick.Conservative (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2018 (EDT)
Please read: Will Hillary persist in 2020? Her actions suggest ‘yes’, Fox NewsConservative (talk) 22:19, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

The whole notion of a Hillary Clinton 2020 is totally preposterous. She is a narcissistic psychopath with poor judgement and she has no chance of winning. But the Democratic bench of political talent is very weak so she has a chance.

"the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead." - Solomon, Ecclesiastes 9:3Conservative (talk) 05:50, 16 July 2018 (EDT)

The situation brewing in the United States is similiar to the "Generation Gap" of the 1960s. The World War 2 generation of our fathers was vastly outnumbered by Baby Boomers. But it took Baby Boomers another 30 years, until the Clinton's, to get to the White House. The older generation felt their children were irresponsible, more interested in "sex, drugs, rock n roll" than nuclear proliferation, and clung to power. The Millennial generation has taken over the Democrat party now, but it's leadership are aging baby boomers clinging to power the same way their parents did.
Millennials, next to boomers, are about the stupidiest generation America has ever seen (disproving evolution). Gay marriage, transgender bathrooms, and recreational marijuana are more important than nuclear proliferation. Death by carbon emissions in 30 years is a scarier prospect than get nuked by North Korea in the next 10 minutes. Hillary understands all this, but the facts are, Millennials in the Democrat party feel their day has arrived. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:28, 16 July 2018 (EDT)

The Helsinki moment

For a brief, shining moment in Helsinki, Trump stood up to the Deep State. These days, not so much: "Trump says he misspoke on Russian meddling during press conference, accepts US intel findings." A fool entrusts the intelligence community with the authority to determine his legitimacy. Bush also had "full faith and support" in the intelligence agencies. Then they betrayed him on Iraqi WMDs. PeterKa (talk) 22:17, 17 July 2018 (EDT)

It was brilliant. Trump's given himself a free pass. He can say what he means to anybody listening, and blunt critics, leaving them sounding like braying asses. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 03:33, 18 July 2018 (EDT)
We're only after the rogue elements of the deep state, IC, and swamp. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 03:36, 18 July 2018 (EDT)
Here's the US intel findings we accept: the Russian GRU did try to hack into 50 election boards in 50 states, to probe voter rolls and manipulate tallies. They failed, as Rod Rosenstein, Jeh Johnson, and every other investigation found. This was the extent of "Russian meddling." The Russians did not hack the DNC in Washington, as rougue elements in the intelligence community would have you believe, to hide their own efforts to rig the election.
The wider issue is declaring voter technology as "critical infrastructure," like airports or the power grid, and have the federal government take over elections, like they did healthcare, the post office, the mortgage industry, or the food stamp program. Bi-partisan legislation must address the threat of foreign interference. Democrats would love federalization of elections. Republicans want to maintain local control, with some cooperation with Homeland Security to safeguard the system in 50 states, that don't have the same voting mechanisms state-to-state, county-to-county, or even precinct-to-precinct. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 03:55, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

Trump's food taster was poisoned in Scotland one day before the summit. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 15:34, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

Here is Anne Coulter: "Trump's entire White House staff turned on him for the Helsinki press conference. Gen Kelly rallied GOPs agst him. WHO HIRED THOSE PEOPLE?"[61] With Trump the voice of (relative) reason, this red scare is a level or two crazier than anything we have seen before. The Russians have been interfering in U.S. elections for a long, long time. Stalin sponsored Henry Wallace's campaign back in 1948. It's about time for America to adopt an adult attitude about these things. The Dems need to understand that what they are advocating logically leads us to war with a nuclear superpower. PeterKa (talk) 17:55, 18 July 2018 (EDT)
There's also the fact that Putin's already made repeated indications that he adheres fully to Communism, meaning his "conservative" and "Christian" positions are most likely a sham. I'll tolerate how Trump is handling Putin, since going to war with a nuclear superpower, the alternative, is a very bad idea (even if their nuclear arms are inferior to our own), especially if it's like how Ronald Reagan did things to get rid of Communism (and besides, right now, restabilizing the Middle East is the big fish currently, and if that means making them Christian kingdoms, so be it). However, I do think we REALLY need to make sure Communism is dead in Russia for good. Pokeria1 (talk) 18:13, 18 July 2018 (EDT)
Pokeria1, You couldn't be more wrong. Democrats hate Putin because he is not a communist. The leadership of the global communist revolution passed from Moscow to liberals in the United States in 1992 with collapse of the Soviet Union.RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 20:19, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
Don't be so sure about that. I already gave you plenty of links during a similar debate/argument earlier showcasing that, no, Putin actually IS still an adherent to Communism, even giving a speech that if anything outright praises the Communist Youth World Conference and their goals, not to mention aiding North Korea and the Sandinistas in Nicaragua as well as Angola recently (all of which are Communist). If he truly were not communist, not only would he NOT aid them, he'd if anything make sure they're wiped out. That's how I would have acted in Putin's position, be completely genocidal to Communists. And do I really have to remind you that Obama and even Hillary Clinton prior to Trump being elected actually HELPED Putin, with Obama even stating in the hot mike incident that he's going to aid Putin in the second term? Or how about how Clinton actually tried to collude with Russia. Besides, technically, in the early to mid Cold War, the Democrats also hated the Communists enough to even BOTHER fighting them under Harry Truman and JFK (and the latter even supported McCarthy in his attempt at exposing the Reds during the Red Scare, one of the few Democrats to actually stand by him and ally with him.). Also, don't bother citing his so called "Christian conversion". He would have repudiated Communism to the extent of demanding for it to be wiped from existence if he truly converted, certainly not compare Lenin's body to a saint relic. Not to mention, it's extremely naïve to think that he's Christian just because he helms the ROC. Let me remind you that even Joseph Stalin helmed the ROC during World War II, and that guy is definitely no Christian even in terms of official membership, it was purely cynical exploitation of Russian nationalism to push Communism into defeating Nazism back then, and it's something similar now. Not to mention the current Patriarch of the ROC, Krill, is an unrepentant ex-KGB agent who is most likely in on the charade. It's like saying Hitler was a Christian just because he was raised Catholic. Pokeria1 (talk) 21:46, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
Putin's promotes national reconciliation. Unlike the Nazi party, which was outlawed and its members faced trial, the Communist party was welcomed into the new parliamentary democracy. They garner around 17% in elections. It is a controversial position to embrace a minority party as a coalition ally, that large numbers of people hate. But Putin does so to promote tolerance and healing, not the despicable ideology behind minority communists. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 00:19, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
National reconciliation?! This is your best defense for Putin? The Nazis were banned in Germany for good reason. And the Communists were even worse than the Nazis, at least in terms of overall bodycount and kill rate, maybe even methods of killing. I actually WOULD ban the Communists, just to make SURE that it's made painfully clear the Communists deserve punishment for all the suffering THEY caused. No, you don't do "national reconciliation" with them (and besides, there's a very big difference between promoting healing and tolerance, and literally telling the Communists that they're doing a good job and has his full support to the extent that their goals are aligned, the latter of which is what he clearly did in his speech at the 19th World Festival of Youth and Students Communist event). Besides, I don't think calling the fall of the USSR the greatest Geopolitical disaster indicates he wanted to do national reconciliation, but rather revive the old USSR, and national reconciliation DEFINITELY doesn't explain why he would not only annex Ukraine and that other country, but also give deliberate aid to the North Koreans, the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, or Angola (and let me remind you that they don't fit national reconciliation at all because they AREN'T part of the Russian nation in any way beyond being indirect allies via Communism). It's like saying our continuing to provide aid to France, England, or the Contras in Nicaragua is meant to promote national reconciliation. Pokeria1 (talk) 03:41, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
Perhaps it was a mistake not to outlaw and execute a few communists at the time of the collapse. But Russia, Germany, and elsewhere saw fit to be magnanimous. Now one can envision a crisis scenario where a 51% percent majority would ever give power back to a party that vows to abolish democracy and human rights. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:53, 20 July 2018 (EDT)
Coulter noted another problem that was being neglected because of the phony Russia drama upon which the media is fixated:
While I'm sure Russia's invasion of Ukraine and annexation of Crimea were a grave threat to every man, woman and child in America, Putin should also be held to account for the rape and murder of thousands of Americans on our own soil every year, as a result of apparently unstoppable illegal immigration. (Who knew a wall was such an inconceivable engineering feat?)
This leads me to suggest a useful way to get that done—start an Adopt-a-Border-Mile program where U.S. citizens and businesses get together to sponsor and build a specified mile along the U.S. border. You say that the walls won't match up, and they'll be wasting their time. Not at all. Think a miniature Transcontinental Railroad. The divisions between each adjoining set of walls will be built last and completed with a televised ceremony where the last spike, made of bronze, will be pounded in with a sledgehammer. It would be easy! VargasMilan (talk) 18:38, 18 July 2018 (EDT)
Well, it's certainly something. And I agree, building a wall needs to be done to deal with the more immediate threat to America's borders. We'll deal with Putin's actions towards Ukraine and Crimea later, even though I personally want that dealt with ASAP due to the fact that there were several inherent horrific implications with some of the celebrations, where they are singing old Soviet anthems and holding plackards of Stalin. That if anything points to Putin not being anti-Communist. Pokeria1 (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2018 (EDT)
Why's everybody in a huff? Candidate Obama granted us his divine wisdom back in September 2008 on how to deal with Putin when Putin annexed Abkhazia; we need to propose a UN Security Council Resolution where Putin can veto it. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 09:21, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

Editing shutdown

Was editing on Conservapedia shut down for the night at 12:30 PDT earlier? If so, how was it that that kid who vandalized the God article earlier managed to get past the shutdown to create his account (probably yet another sock of the same foul-mouthed juvenile delinquent who's made numerous vulgar vandalism edits and posts and has made vulgar and obscene death threat edits against me, Karajou and other editors here) and then make his vandalism edit before he got blocked? Northwest (talk) 08:11, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

I'm looking into this software issue further.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:04, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
It was an unusual software glitch. Thanks for mentioning it.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 11:46, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

Mueller and the War of 1812

If Mueller succeeds in provoking a war with Russia, he can look to the War of 1812 as a precedent. Although the War Hawks used the slogan "free trade and sailors' rights," the opportunity to label the pro-British Federalists as traitors was clearly a major factor as well. There were no fresh British provocations in 1812. The timing of the declaration of war was determined by the needs of President Madison's reelection campaign. The former Revolutionary War officers were mainly Federalists and no one who understood military strategy thought an attack on Canada by a hurriedly snapped together militia force made any sense. The war effectively ended the history of the Federalist Party, so in that sense it was a striking success. PeterKa (talk) 20:02, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

While war is always a distinct possibility, defense spending is the larger issue. The latest US defense budget is $800 billion dollars; the Russians spend $61 billion. The reason the US defense budget got so bloated is because of exaggerated CIA estimates throughout the Cold War for decades that maintained that Soviet GDP was half of US GDP, and Soviet defense spending was twice US defense spending. When the Soviet Union collapsed and joined the IMF, and World Bank experts were invited in, we discovered it was all a big lie to build up the military industrial complex (which now includes defense industries in NATO countries, as well).
The reality is, the entire annual budget of the Russian Federation equals three days of US federal spending. The CIA was never held to account for its bogus intelligence estimates that Congress relied on to set defense spending.
The reality is, we live in tri-polar world where China has an up and coming economy, and Russia is hopelessly in a decling situation. China has the wherewithall for the latest technology in every field of defense spending. An arms race or missile defense race would bankrupt the Russians all over again. The only reason Russia was not allowed to join NATO, as its Warsaw Pact allies did when the Soviet Union collapsed, is because this would create a 4000 mile border between NATO and China, China would feel isolated, and an arms race would ensue. Russia really, since the mid 1990s, wants to either join NATO or partner with NATO against its two biggest threats - China and radical Islamic terrorists within its own borders.
For this cause, it was decided in the mid-1990s to keep up the myth of the Russian bogeyman. The U.S. and Russia have an agreement: we two have 94% of the nukes. Although no one can prevent China from rising as a Great Power with the largest modern conventional military, the U.S. & Russia will never allow China to get the edge on us with nukes. This means constant modernization of existing stockpiles with the latest technology, something very costly to Russia if it wants to remain a great power, and something even more costly to the U.S. if we had to go it alone. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:47, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

Knife attack in Germany

Here's one of the few, rare times this sort of thing has made the mainstream news: There was a mass murderer attacking people on a train in Germany....using a knife. This is one more example of how banning a weapon won't stop murderers from killing people. Too bad no one on that train had a knife (or gun) to defend themselves with.... [62] --David B (TALK) 14:28, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

1. That was not on a train, that was on a bus. The text in the article is quite clear and if you cannot be bothered to read it than at least look at the picture in it.

2. How exactly does this prove that banning weapons "won't stop murderers from killing people"? Nobody died, though 14 people were injured before the attacker was overpowered by the passengers. If anything, this could be used for the opposing argument: no guns, less people dying. If the attacker had had a gun would there have been more or less fatalities? LivingInGermany (talk) 15:15, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

The German authorities are not letting people know if the attack was done by a Muslim immigrant (or immigrant). I wonder why! Conservative (talk) 20:52, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

The T word

First it was deplorable, later inhuman, and now traitor. The media's preferred buzzword for Republicans keeps changing, but the meaning doesn't. Trump is in good company since the Founding Fathers were all accused of treason as well. In 1765, Patrick Henry told his detractors in the Virginia House of Burgesses that, "If this be treason, make the most of it." With Russia hardliners like Mattis and Pompeo setting policy, America is actually taking a tougher line against Russia now than it ever did under Obama. The "situation with Russia" currently consumes Washington, but it is not the No. 1 priority of any significant group of voters. See "Gallup Poll Shows Americans Couldn't Care Less (Literally) About 'Situation With Russia'". PeterKa (talk) 02:06, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

Here is the Wall Street Journal: "Why Trump’s Detractors Cry ‘Treason’." The tactic is mainly about delegitimizing the 2016 election and has very little to do with Russia, according to this article. The intelligence community's assessment that Russia meddled is based on evidence that is still secret. If there actually was convincing evidence, I'm sure Mueller, Strzok or some other Deep Stater would have leaked it by now. OK, Russian intelligence did apparently spear-phish Podesta's gmail account and they certainly used Facebook trolls to organize anti-Trump rallies immediately after the election. Technically, that's meddling right there. But the media is suggesting something more sinister -- that the Russians stole the election from Hillary. Multiple hackers got into Podesta's account and we don't know whether or not Wikileaks got his email from the Russians. Be that as it may, Trump should obviously not participate in the delegitimization of his own election. To treat his reluctance to back Hillary's favorite conspiracy theory as disloyalty suggests that Hillary is our real president. PeterKa (talk) 07:19, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
We just blew holes in Mueller's fraudulent indictment. Posting it up now. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:14, 21 July 2018 (EDT)