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That list of demands does not appear to be an official list : http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

Anarchism

I added the category for Anarchism but wondering if others feel the definition of anarchism on Conservapedia matches the demonstrations seen with OWS? These protests are anti-capitalist and anti-American, but are they currently seen as anarchists too? DerekE 12:28, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

You are correct. It is well documented that this is a mob of cretins and misfits. They earned the anarchism category. --Jpatt 13:21, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Demands

The very few "demands" that might resemble legitimate questions are discredited by skeptical accusations, or they are backed by some very extremist anti-American philosophies. Let's take a look at some of the ridiculous pro communist, anti-American demands made by socialists, anarchists and other extremist liberals who hate capitalism, are jealous of the Tea Party Movement, and/or getting paid to act as Wall Street protesters.

Beginning a protest "demand" list with an argument stating a convicted guilty person is "an innocent man" makes this occupation less credible. Capitol punishment exists to deter the crimes that result in its use. Ending capitol punishment, while seemingly good in its intention, would have negative consequences. For instance, ending capitol punishment might result in more crime - criminal acts that might otherwise be deterred if Capitol punishment was a considered form of justice.

I highly doubt the charges were "baseless." I don't know anyone who has been arrested for doing, very literally, nothing.

This is silly. Using the word "owned" suggests "half of the country's population" is literally enslaved without choice, and that someone who made something out of nothing but gained a lot of wealth in the process is evil. Demands like this suggest extreme positions are pushing this political spectacle in the form of a protest against Wall Street.

We can add Ending poverty is our one demand to the above, because it's redundant.

How do you go about ending "wealth inequality" or "poverty" anyway? Socialism? That's not gonna work; history has proven this. It won't happen.

I guarantee with 100% confidence that Yahoo board members didn't act in some conspiracy to block mass emails getting sent from occupywallst.org servers. For those who have ever worked in support for Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, etc., you would know that there is a process which low tier support teams follow to determine what server are sending Spam and then block those IP addresses from doing so. These processes to block Spammers include the number of email users reporting email from spammers. If enough Spam is reported from an IP address, and it has been determined that a crap ton of email is being send from a particular server, some tier 3 Yahoo! support dude sitting in a chair at his desk probably just clicked a button to block the site after all the flags indicated him to do so, per a standard support model process.

That being said, ending corporate censorship would be interesting, which would include Google - a search engine that has been known to censor conservative websites. Perhaps the liberal, anti-American protestors might want to rethink this one.

This is straight up anti-American ranting, and spreading disinformation. But it is in-line with the liberal false redefinition of the United States, so I'm not surprised liberals added it to their list of "demands." Imperialist nations would not invade a country to topple a bad regime, rebuild the country into a more free democracy, and then hand back all government and military control to the people of that country. Running with an argument to end something that does not exist discredits this political campaign to 'occupy wall street'.

America is not at war with the world. It a small group of Leftist extremists who have, in their idealist views, quote "declared war" on America.

The only thing I think of when this political campaign mentions "99%" is that this must be the percentage of people the protesters are shouting at.

God bless the United States of America. DerekE 18:01, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

Let’s overthrow American capitalism and the American way!!!

That wasn't Bill Ayers according to the link cited. The article is about ayers but has that comment thrown in "Those are the feelings of the far left who started to disrupt Wall Street on Saturday, September 17." The article makes no claims that that was said by Bill Ayers. Nor does that quote appear on his blog or anywhere(by him) as far as I can tell. Everything just seems to link back to the same story though most make no mention of Ayers at all. Ayzmo 16:32, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

I deleted the quote since it violates the first Conservapedia commandment and it was added back. Ayzmo 01:31, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

Ayers quote

Jpatt, I don't think anyone here would defend Bill Ayers, but you are attributing a quote to him that is not supported by the citation, unless I am misreading the citation. It may be that he thinks that (in fact, I'm pretty sure he does), but you're saying that he wrote that. And he simply did not. Why do you keep putting that back? EricAlstrom 15:49, 16 October 2011 (EDT)