Talk:Ron Silver

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I think the comment that he felt blacklisted after his 2004 speech at the RNC could use a citation. Based solely on his IMDb page [1], it appears that he maintained the same amount of work before and after 2004 (roughly 4 projects per year). If he himself said he was blacklisted, then that sounds sufficient to me, however at the moment the evidence isn't presented in the article. As a side note, this is my first attempt at ever editing a wiki, so my apologies for any formatting mistakes. Hopefully I will catch on quickly. PeterAS 23:02, 19 March 2009 (EDT)

  • Welcome, Peter, and of course you are more than welcome to find the proper citation and add it. --₮K/Admin/Talk 23:32, 19 March 2009 (EDT)
Peter, a simple search for '"Ron Silver" blacklisted' turned up numerous results and I have included two now into the article. Perhaps, since you seem to know about blacklisting, you wouldn't mind creating the article? Don't worry too much about wikifying it-- just add content and we'll clean up the formatting until you learn.-Foxtrot 05:47, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
I did the same search before I posted my comment. I came across the Deadline Hollywood page, but I didn't realize that a Hollywood blog would be considered a reliable source, especially since the blog doesn't provide any sort of quote or corroborating evidence. The LATimes article you posted then contradicts the "blacklist" assertion with the statement that "In Hollywood, of course, it's slightly dangerous to veer off the approved ideological path, but Silver's liberal bona fides were unassailable, and he was able to cross party lines without much repercussion." As for creating the "blacklist" article, I never claimed to an expert on the subject, and it seems as if you think I was attacking you. I'm not. The claims of blacklisting just stuck out at me as Silver acquired his role on "The West Wing" (which I've heard had quite a liberal slant, although I never watched it myself) in 2006. In total, he had about the same amount of jobs in the 4 years after his speech at the RNC as he did in the 4 years before. Considering he was quite seriously ill the past two years, thus likely severely hampering his ability to work on a set, it seems as if his acting career wasn't harmed by his speech. Yet again, I'm completely open to the possibility that Silver was blacklisted. However, it doesn't seem like he ever made the assertion himself, and a quick overview of his career doesn't support the assertion. PeterAS 09:20, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
Peter, the two sources I posted are not contradictory. In the NYPost one, there is a quote (which I placed in the references) where Silver himself said in a radio interview that he felt he was being blacklisted. And Deadline Hollywood, while it may look like a blog, is written by a journalist who was a former contributor to a major newspaper before going freelance. She has many connections in the movie industry and has broken numerous stories before most newspapers get even a whiff of what's going on. These are both credible sources, both of which mention the well-known fact that Silver was blacklisted, something which the major liberal newspapers refuse to acknowledge due to their ties to liberal Hollywood.
Your counterargument seems to be counting the quantity not quality of his roles after 2004. Firstly, your oft-cited example of "The West Wing" is irrelevant -- according to IMDb[2] he had been a regularly occurring character since 2001 and may have had a contract for regular appearances. Since 2004, he had a leading role in the no-name Red Mercury (2005), a supporting role in Find Me Guilty (2006), a role in the religious comedy The Ten (2007), a made-for-TV movie Xenophobia (2008), an unreleased 2008 production and four cameos on television programs. This list implies fairly clearly that he had to find roles through alternate avenues (the few conservatives working in Hollywood) or stoop to roles in B-movies and TV movies. This, in comparison to major Hollywood productions such as Ali, Reversal of Fortune and the action flick Timecop. All the evidence points to the fact that he was, sadly, blacklisted by those great "promoters" of equality, Hollywood. -Foxtrot 09:50, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
Ah, I missed the NYPost reference. My apologies. I have no complaints about the claim of blacklisting now, I just wanted to hear it from the horses mouth, so to speak. PeterAS 10:05, 20 March 2009 (EDT)