Talk:Westboro Baptist Church
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I don't think that the Westboro Baptist Church qualifies as a liberal activist group especially since they oppose evolution, abortion, and the homosexual agenda, three things that liberals push for heavily. --Konservativekanadian 12:37, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
Phelps wouldn't be that bad if he only protesting homosexuality, its his disrespect of American troops that makes me mad. --Konservativekanadian 12:38, 28 October 2007 (EDT)
- Of course the WBC isn't a liberal group. They are living proof that anything, even religious conservatism, can be taken to the most extreme, and out of its original context. Bruce1 21:19, 31 October 2007 (EDT)
- So why are they still called liberal activists and why is the page locked? Alexjohnc3 11:56, 4 November 2007 (EST)
Of course they're liberal. They hate America. They say "God Hates America". Who cares if they also say that God hates fags? Who cares if they're also doing God's work by picketing fag churches? Hatred of America is liberal, period. The admins were right to lock the page. You seem to forget that children are reading this site, and they might be confused if we give then too much conflicting information. MissAmerica 11:00, 24 November 2007 (EST)
Osama bin Laden also hates America. Does that make him liberal? Do you even know what liberal means?
--Incide 19:12, 12 December 2007 (EST)
- Possibly; bin Laden leads a national liberation movement against Western oppression, imperialism, and the Church. Rob Smith 16:12, 14 December 2007 (EST)
Are you a parodist? This is a second prime example of it at any rate. I've studied Fred Phelps in great detail sir - no other conclusion can be brought out of this article other than that you are writing parody articles. ModerateCatholic 16:52, 14 December 2007 (EST)
- I've studied Fred Phelps in great detail sir ...
- I see. Hmmm. I do not doubt you, sir, for an instant. Now, why are you directing personal comments at me, then, and not discussing the issue? Rob Smith 17:45, 14 December 2007 (EST)
You may have studied his inflammatory comments or read an anti-Christian slanted expose or three, but you haven't pointed out a single specific inaccuracy in the article. DanH 17:48, 14 December 2007 (EST)
- bin Laden leads a national liberation movement against Western oppression, imperialism, and the Church.
- I was responding to that (He is implying that Phelps is a Liberal there, and in the Phelps article he is called a 'Leftist Liberal Democrat'. Doesn't take a genius to work out that that is plain false. ModerateCatholic 20:07, 14 December 2007 (EST)
- It's not false, how could it be? I mean it says "The Trustworthy Encyclopedia" and it has an AMERICAN flag right there at the top-left hand side of the page. Are you anti-America or something?! (Just kidding, by the way. I know that sometimes you can't tell if these type of people are kidding or not so I thought I should note that.) Alexjohnc3 18:29, 15 December 2007 (EST)
I'm conservative but even I can admit that this group is neither liberal nor conservative. It is just simply a hate group --StephenHarper 20:33, 16 December 2007 (EST)
Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church are not liberal by any stretch of the imagination. --Richardhead 17:40, 20 December 2007 (EST)
- I took out the part that it is a liberal group because there is absolutly no basis for that argument at all. Please tell me if there is. Thanks. Rocky
- PS. I also added in some parody groups of this hate group. Rocky
- I know there are likely going to be some who will immediately want to revert Rocky's changes, but I respectfully suggest that there might be some merit here. If Conservapedia wants to grow and become generally accepted, it needs to build a solid foundation. Lumping someone like Phelps in with tree-huggers and misguided college students serves no real useful purpose, and provides ammunition for those who claim that conservatives use "liberal" to mean "Anyone we dislike."
- That being said, facts are facts. Phelps is/was a Democrat; that is a matter of record, as is his support for Gore; those things cannot be disputed or spun, and certainly merit coverage.
- On the other hand, the parody groups don't seem significant, and I don't see why they should be covered. I'll let veteran editors have first crack before I make any changes.
- --Benp 18:03, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
I just added in the parody groups simply to show people that these people are not that tough. If you don't make fun of someone, they will allways find a way to justify their hate. However, if you make fun of them, they will have no defense because they will look like idiots. However, I apprechiate the fact that you stuck up for my edits. Thank you. --Rocky
Why was the tie-in to Fred Phelps removed? Learn together 05:01, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
It was removed because I could not find any sources. If you can find some, you can put it back in. --Rocky
- Rocky please use any search engine with 'Fred Phelps, Westboro Baptist Church'. It's not exactly hidden. Learn together 13:11, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
I don't restore the motto because I like it, but rather because we conservatives need to show that it is homosexual practices we hate, not homosexual people. God loves the sinner, but hates the sin. --Ed Poor Talk 15:01, 12 November 2008 (EST)
- I don't know how the offending word is understood by Americans, but personally I don't have a problem with quoting it. But I can't see your point that having it there shows how God loves the sinner and hates the sin. And you haven't addressed NewCrusader's reason for deleting it. Philip J. Rayment 00:18, 13 November 2008 (EST)
Please help me explain how WBC's hatred of homosexuals contrasts with the standard Christian ethic which directs us to love all people (even if they sin) while at the same time condemning the sins those same people commit. You might express it in terms of justice and injustice. Is it the Bible or Shakespeare who said God sends rain and sunshine on both the just and the unjust? --Ed Poor Talk 11:40, 13 November 2008 (EST)
That's the Bible.
The real difference Between WBC's view and Christianity as defined in the Bible is that God hate all sin, not just Homosexuality. They have taken this one issue and made a doctrine out of it. The Bible says that you will go to hell for any sin if you don't repent, not just the "really bad ones" like homosexuality. --Chris
Why does this page have a photo of Fred Phelps with Al Gore? In all likelihood, the photo was taken during Phelps' earlier career as a civil-rights attorney. It's incredibly unlikely that Gore would willingly align with a group such as this one- after all, doing so would be an act of career-suicide. --KaseyF
Just wanted to say I think this is a really good discussion but it's getting a bit lengthy for this page and probably is better moved to the debate section since it deals more with discussion than page improvements. I moved the conversation and will be replying here: Debate:_Should_Westboro_Baptist_Church_be_allowed_to_protest_funerals_as_free_speech?
--Jzyehoshua 20:08, 22 July 2012 (EDT)
We aren't supposed to give hate groups the privilege of linking to them here. Jm920 14:12, 4 January 2013 (EST)
Picketed over 45,300 times
- Good point. Thanks for removing that unsupported claim.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 19:09, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
My debate with the WBC
This is one of those groups that I don't feel one can put on a political spectrum and say is far left or far right, because their beliefs don't really align with either side all the way. They oppose the LGBT agenda, oppose abortion, support the death penalty, oppose neoconservatism, believe that the Bible must be taken literally in a certain way, oppose the Catholic Church (and most Protestant churches that aren't them), and oppose patriotism and are staunchly anti-American.
I remember having this conversation with one of the elders of the WBC back in 2014 that is now gone on YouTube. This conversation took place on this video before someone hacked his YouTube account and used it to delete his comments and start posting things that were, according to Steve Drain himself when he responded on his now deleted Google+ account, 'disgusting'. I think I may have aught him since the WBC tends to take the Bible literally, but apparently its okay not to sometimes which seems to be cafeteria Christianity if you don't accept everything in the Bible as the literal Word of God, but just some things.
I recall on a Q&A they claimed the 1611 King James Version is the only version that has any truth, and suggesting using Bible apocrypha to learn more things they wouldn't otherwise know. I can't seem to find that web page that was posted on right now, so it's possible it got deleted. On a video I posted about the conversation, Steve Drain commented saying that the use the KJV but that he was also familiar with other versions (such as Weymouth New Testement). That also was before his account got hacked and deleted. On a video where Shirley Phelps-Roper visited a college for debating practice, her rationale for opposition to the Military is "Thou Shalt Not Kill; there are no exceptions to that!" I asked Steve Drain that if that was so, why did God demand the for the stoning of Achan after telling them to raze Jericho and kill everyone there? He never answered that question. --KommissarReb (talk) 10:50, 10 December 2016 (EDT)