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In response, various proposals have been made, such as,
 
In response, various proposals have been made, such as,
  
God could,  
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God could have,  
  
*1. have made us (and angels) with no moral ability, depriving us from the moral ability to respond to or choose good.  
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*1. made us (and angels) with no moral sense and or deprived us from the moral ability to respond to or choose good [morally insensible].  
  
*2. have granted us free moral agency, but never have given us anything to choose between.
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*2.granted us free moral agency, but never have given us anything to choose between [negation of moral choices].  
  
*3. always move us to do good, and never allow us to choose evil (make believing in God and choosing good so utterly compelling, like God appearing daily and doing miracles on demand, and preventing any seeming evidence to the contrary so that no men could attempt excuses and would complain they are being forced.)
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*3. provided moral revelation and influences but always have moved us to do good, and never have allowed us to choose evil (such as make believing in God and choosing good so utterly compelling like God appearing daily and doing miracles on demand, and preventing any seeming evidence to the contrary so that no man could attempt excuses [effective negation of any freedom to choose].
  
*4. allow  us to do evil, but immediately reverse the effect.
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*4. allowed us to do evil, but immediately reversed any effects [negation of moral  consequences].  
  
*5. allow  us to do bad, but restrict us to a place where it would harm no one but ourselves.  
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*5. allowed us to do bad, but restricted us to a place where it would harm no one but ourselves [restriction of moral  consequences].
  
*6. allow  us to choose between good and evil, and to affect others by it, but not reward or punish us accordingly.
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*6. allowed us to choose between good and evil, and to affect others by it, but not ultimately reward or punish us accordingly [negation of eternal moral consequences].  
  
*7. have given us the ability to choose, and alternatives to chose from, with the ability to effect others and things by our choices, and will reward or punishment us accordingly, especially ultimately, while also making the evil we do to work out for the good of those who want good, and who thus love God who is good.  
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*7. given us the ability to choose, and alternatives to chose from, and to face and overcome evil or be overcome by it, with the ability to effect others and things by our choices, and to exercise some reward or punishment in this life for morality, and ultimately reward or punishment all accordingly [pure justice].
  
And as regards the latter, God could choose to enable redemption of penitent believers, through One who was righteous, and who took responsibility for our sins, and paying the price for the forgiveness of sin, and grant faith in Him and persuade men to choose thuslyso that they may be forgiven and declared just, and thereby satisfy requirements of holiness and justice, while enabling mercy, while allowing men to resist this call.
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*8. in accordance with the above, except have manifested Himself in the flesh, and by Him to provide man a means of escaping the ultimate retribution of Divine justice, and instead receive unmerited eternal favor, at God's own expense and credit, appropriated by a repentant obedient faith, in addition to the loss or gaining of certain rewards based on one's quality of work as a child of God.  And conversely, eternal punish to varying degrees those whose response to God's revelation manifested they want evil, while making the evil that man does to work out for the good of those who want good, and who thus love God, who is good [justice maintained while mercy and grace given].
  
 
==Arminian response==  
 
==Arminian response==  

Revision as of 15:02, 19 May 2013

Theodicy is a branch of theology that defends God's goodness and justice in response to the problem of evil.

The word was supposedly coined by the German philosopher Gottfried Leibniz (1646-1716), and is derived from two Greek words (theos, God, and dike, justice).

The premise which Theodicy is based upon is that God is omnipotent, just and benevolent, with the question being how can God be the author of evil, or allow evil and suffering to exist?

Proposals

In response, various proposals have been made, such as,

God could have,

  • 1. made us (and angels) with no moral sense and or deprived us from the moral ability to respond to or choose good [morally insensible].
  • 2.granted us free moral agency, but never have given us anything to choose between [negation of moral choices].
  • 3. provided moral revelation and influences but always have moved us to do good, and never have allowed us to choose evil (such as make believing in God and choosing good so utterly compelling — like God appearing daily and doing miracles on demand, and preventing any seeming evidence to the contrary so that no man could attempt excuses [effective negation of any freedom to choose].
  • 4. allowed us to do evil, but immediately reversed any effects [negation of moral consequences].
  • 5. allowed us to do bad, but restricted us to a place where it would harm no one but ourselves [restriction of moral consequences].
  • 6. allowed us to choose between good and evil, and to affect others by it, but not ultimately reward or punish us accordingly [negation of eternal moral consequences].
  • 7. given us the ability to choose, and alternatives to chose from, and to face and overcome evil or be overcome by it, with the ability to effect others and things by our choices, and to exercise some reward or punishment in this life for morality, and ultimately reward or punishment all accordingly [pure justice].
  • 8. in accordance with the above, except have manifested Himself in the flesh, and by Him to provide man a means of escaping the ultimate retribution of Divine justice, and instead receive unmerited eternal favor, at God's own expense and credit, appropriated by a repentant obedient faith, in addition to the loss or gaining of certain rewards based on one's quality of work as a child of God. And conversely, eternal punish to varying degrees those whose response to God's revelation manifested they want evil, while making the evil that man does to work out for the good of those who want good, and who thus love God, who is good [justice maintained while mercy and grace given].

Arminian response

Christian responses include the Arminian position that argues that evil is a consequence of God giving man freedom to choose, and that, if choice means anything, man must have something to choose from, this being turning away from the good to do the opposite. As angels or man have chosen to do evil, this results in suffering. While God knows what man will do, that is not the same as ordaining or decreeing it.

Calvinist response

The Calvinist position is that of "determinism", which holds that man has a more limited extent of free will than in the Arminian position, and that God has determined all things that will ever come to pass, as the Westminster Confession of Faith states. (3:1 5:2, 4) The Confession essentially states that God in His sovereignty is the first cause of all things, though many of the things which occur are through the "free" actions of man, which God influences. As one authority wrote, God "does not arrange things or control history apart from second causes...", and He uses such as instruments, so as to make all things work together to accomplish His plan, which is for the good of those who love Him. (Rom. 8:28)[1]

Some object to the further conclusions of Calvinism related to this.[2] While Armianism believes God has the right and the ability to ultimately determine all things, it seeks to reconcile the actions of God concerning the basis for the predestination of the lost with God's own statements about justice, (Dt. 24:16; etc.) while the Calvinist tends to appeal to God's sovereign right to do as He pleases, as Scripture does, (Rom. 11:20) in which not all things are revealed. (Dt. 29:29)

Non-Christian

Non-Christian attempts to resolve this problem range from denying the omnipotence and or omniscience of God, to denying the reality of evil, to making God consist of a dual nature. However, the Bible upholds that God is both almighty and all-knowing, and of a consistent character, and that evil does exist as a reality, and is in opposition to the character of God.

References

  1. http://www.leaderu.com/theology/theodicy.html W. Gary Crampton, A Biblical Theodicy
  2. http://www.gospeltruth.net/foster_on_cal/otc_2.htm