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::Again, and for the last time, at this point it's not a matter of accuracy to edits - it's a matter of what edit warring is, and that AugustO waited for Andy to leave (and thus no longer be there to revert him) even though he had already started a dialogue with ASchlafly. Those edits can at best be described as snarky.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 16:14, 22 November 2012 (EST)
 
::Again, and for the last time, at this point it's not a matter of accuracy to edits - it's a matter of what edit warring is, and that AugustO waited for Andy to leave (and thus no longer be there to revert him) even though he had already started a dialogue with ASchlafly. Those edits can at best be described as snarky.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 16:14, 22 November 2012 (EST)
 
:::I disagree.  You don't appear to understand that everything you put in an article needs to be backed up.  AugustO was attempting to do so, and you went above and beyond your remit to enforce your will on a lonstanding editor.  By your actions you have inflamed a situation that could have been resolved more appropriately.  --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 16:18, 22 November 2012 (EST)
 
:::I disagree.  You don't appear to understand that everything you put in an article needs to be backed up.  AugustO was attempting to do so, and you went above and beyond your remit to enforce your will on a lonstanding editor.  By your actions you have inflamed a situation that could have been resolved more appropriately.  --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 16:18, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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== Epistle to the Hebrews ==
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This is a quite serious business - and it should be discussed on the talk-page at first. But until then, the statement "and the most plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it" is to ridiculous to stay in the article. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 14:49, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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:You know the rules of the meritocracy; until the issue is decided the senior-most editor gets precedence.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 14:51, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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::No Biblical scholar shares Andrew Schalfly's insight - there is nothing plausible about it. This is a fact that must be stressed. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 14:57, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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:::It's obvious you disgaree with his point - that's fine - but your last edit was to prove a point - an end for which an article should never be used for. I've toned down the wording so you can be slightly happier with the article's current state - but until you finish discussing this with Andy do not keep editing the article. You have two editors reverting you.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 14:59, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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::::If you wish to get involved in a meaningful way, please try to judge the content and not the formalities. Thanks. --[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 15:01, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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I'm not an expert in this subject, but as a user with blocking privileges part of my job is to make sure the "formalities" - such as civility, including not edit warring - are upheld. Users who participate in this wiki-encyclopedia are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is befitting the serious job of editing an encyclopedia. --<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 15:13, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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:Mr Schlafly has access to the block button and chose not to use it. I wonder why you presume your judgement to be superior to his. --[[User:JohanZ|JohanZ]] 15:32, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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::He also hasn't edited since one of his early reversions; leading me to believe he's offline. The edit warring didn't commence until after his last edit. Also as a user with block rights it is ultimately my judgement; if I am reverted then I respect that and discuss it with whoever reverted me.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 15:37, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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:::It's a tricky situation.  I am also a user with block rights, (as I believe is AugustO), would either of us be entitled to use our judgement that you are wrong and undo the block.  I would say no, but then I would also say that you have overstepped your role in applying the block to begin with.  AugustO was hardly edit warring, he was actually proposing changes be made with each edit.  Your block has potentially inflamed a situation involving a longstanding editor in a manner that was unnecessary.  --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 15:55, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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Edit warring is the constant revision of pages - which AugustO was doing. He started a talk thread, I told him to continue the conversation on the talk thread, he did not. He reverted Andy's edits twice, mine once; and after I told him to allow the discussion to play out on the talk page he made two further edits to the clause in dispute that were unbecoming of an encyclopedia. By blocking him - for one hour - I stopped him from editing the article.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 15:57, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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:[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Epistle_to_the_Hebrews&diff=prev&oldid=1020101 This edit] and [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Epistle_to_the_Hebrews&diff=next&oldid=1020102 this one] are both appropriate in my opinion.  The only source that suggests this to be true (or even plausible) is the article written by Andy.  I accept that this is a sufficient citation for this encyclopedia (perhaps AugustO would do better to also accept this fact) but the citation itself should be referenced.  If you just put in the article that it is true then a casual reader might think that there are multiple sources for the contention, whereas there is only one - albeit an unimpeachable one.  --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 16:10, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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::Again, and for the last time, at this point it's not a matter of accuracy to edits - it's a matter of what edit warring is, and that AugustO waited for Andy to leave (and thus no longer be there to revert him) even though he had already started a dialogue with ASchlafly. Those edits can at best be described as snarky.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 16:14, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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:::I disagree.  You don't appear to understand that everything you put in an article needs to be backed up.  AugustO was attempting to do so, and you went above and beyond your remit to enforce your will on a lonstanding editor.  By your actions you have inflamed a situation that could have been resolved more appropriately.  --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 16:18, 22 November 2012 (EST)
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::::I am also a longstanding editor DamianJohn that has no play here. [[User talk:Aschlafly|This is Andy's talk page if you wish to complain further]]. I suggest you not participate in block warring. Blocking a user because you disagree with his block is not a thing.--<small>[[User:Iduan|<span style="color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000">I]][[User_talk:Iduan|<span style="color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033">Duan]]</span></span></small> 16:23, 22 November 2012 (EST)

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Welcome back and your account has been promoted!--Andy Schlafly 13:46, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Thank you! Great to be back.--IDuan 13:48, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Epistle to the Hebrews

This is a quite serious business - and it should be discussed on the talk-page at first. But until then, the statement "and the most plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it" is to ridiculous to stay in the article. --AugustO 14:49, 22 November 2012 (EST)

You know the rules of the meritocracy; until the issue is decided the senior-most editor gets precedence.--IDuan 14:51, 22 November 2012 (EST)
No Biblical scholar shares Andrew Schalfly's insight - there is nothing plausible about it. This is a fact that must be stressed. --AugustO 14:57, 22 November 2012 (EST)
It's obvious you disgaree with his point - that's fine - but your last edit was to prove a point - an end for which an article should never be used for. I've toned down the wording so you can be slightly happier with the article's current state - but until you finish discussing this with Andy do not keep editing the article. You have two editors reverting you.--IDuan 14:59, 22 November 2012 (EST)
If you wish to get involved in a meaningful way, please try to judge the content and not the formalities. Thanks. --AugustO 15:01, 22 November 2012 (EST)

I'm not an expert in this subject, but as a user with blocking privileges part of my job is to make sure the "formalities" - such as civility, including not edit warring - are upheld. Users who participate in this wiki-encyclopedia are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is befitting the serious job of editing an encyclopedia. --IDuan 15:13, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Mr Schlafly has access to the block button and chose not to use it. I wonder why you presume your judgement to be superior to his. --JohanZ 15:32, 22 November 2012 (EST)
He also hasn't edited since one of his early reversions; leading me to believe he's offline. The edit warring didn't commence until after his last edit. Also as a user with block rights it is ultimately my judgement; if I am reverted then I respect that and discuss it with whoever reverted me.--IDuan 15:37, 22 November 2012 (EST)
It's a tricky situation. I am also a user with block rights, (as I believe is AugustO), would either of us be entitled to use our judgement that you are wrong and undo the block. I would say no, but then I would also say that you have overstepped your role in applying the block to begin with. AugustO was hardly edit warring, he was actually proposing changes be made with each edit. Your block has potentially inflamed a situation involving a longstanding editor in a manner that was unnecessary. --DamianJohn 15:55, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Edit warring is the constant revision of pages - which AugustO was doing. He started a talk thread, I told him to continue the conversation on the talk thread, he did not. He reverted Andy's edits twice, mine once; and after I told him to allow the discussion to play out on the talk page he made two further edits to the clause in dispute that were unbecoming of an encyclopedia. By blocking him - for one hour - I stopped him from editing the article.--IDuan 15:57, 22 November 2012 (EST)

This edit and this one are both appropriate in my opinion. The only source that suggests this to be true (or even plausible) is the article written by Andy. I accept that this is a sufficient citation for this encyclopedia (perhaps AugustO would do better to also accept this fact) but the citation itself should be referenced. If you just put in the article that it is true then a casual reader might think that there are multiple sources for the contention, whereas there is only one - albeit an unimpeachable one. --DamianJohn 16:10, 22 November 2012 (EST)
Again, and for the last time, at this point it's not a matter of accuracy to edits - it's a matter of what edit warring is, and that AugustO waited for Andy to leave (and thus no longer be there to revert him) even though he had already started a dialogue with ASchlafly. Those edits can at best be described as snarky.--IDuan 16:14, 22 November 2012 (EST)
I disagree. You don't appear to understand that everything you put in an article needs to be backed up. AugustO was attempting to do so, and you went above and beyond your remit to enforce your will on a lonstanding editor. By your actions you have inflamed a situation that could have been resolved more appropriately. --DamianJohn 16:18, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Epistle to the Hebrews

This is a quite serious business - and it should be discussed on the talk-page at first. But until then, the statement "and the most plausible theory is that Jesus himself wrote or dictated it" is to ridiculous to stay in the article. --AugustO 14:49, 22 November 2012 (EST)

You know the rules of the meritocracy; until the issue is decided the senior-most editor gets precedence.--IDuan 14:51, 22 November 2012 (EST)
No Biblical scholar shares Andrew Schalfly's insight - there is nothing plausible about it. This is a fact that must be stressed. --AugustO 14:57, 22 November 2012 (EST)
It's obvious you disgaree with his point - that's fine - but your last edit was to prove a point - an end for which an article should never be used for. I've toned down the wording so you can be slightly happier with the article's current state - but until you finish discussing this with Andy do not keep editing the article. You have two editors reverting you.--IDuan 14:59, 22 November 2012 (EST)
If you wish to get involved in a meaningful way, please try to judge the content and not the formalities. Thanks. --AugustO 15:01, 22 November 2012 (EST)

I'm not an expert in this subject, but as a user with blocking privileges part of my job is to make sure the "formalities" - such as civility, including not edit warring - are upheld. Users who participate in this wiki-encyclopedia are expected to conduct themselves in a manner that is befitting the serious job of editing an encyclopedia. --IDuan 15:13, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Mr Schlafly has access to the block button and chose not to use it. I wonder why you presume your judgement to be superior to his. --JohanZ 15:32, 22 November 2012 (EST)
He also hasn't edited since one of his early reversions; leading me to believe he's offline. The edit warring didn't commence until after his last edit. Also as a user with block rights it is ultimately my judgement; if I am reverted then I respect that and discuss it with whoever reverted me.--IDuan 15:37, 22 November 2012 (EST)
It's a tricky situation. I am also a user with block rights, (as I believe is AugustO), would either of us be entitled to use our judgement that you are wrong and undo the block. I would say no, but then I would also say that you have overstepped your role in applying the block to begin with. AugustO was hardly edit warring, he was actually proposing changes be made with each edit. Your block has potentially inflamed a situation involving a longstanding editor in a manner that was unnecessary. --DamianJohn 15:55, 22 November 2012 (EST)

Edit warring is the constant revision of pages - which AugustO was doing. He started a talk thread, I told him to continue the conversation on the talk thread, he did not. He reverted Andy's edits twice, mine once; and after I told him to allow the discussion to play out on the talk page he made two further edits to the clause in dispute that were unbecoming of an encyclopedia. By blocking him - for one hour - I stopped him from editing the article.--IDuan 15:57, 22 November 2012 (EST)

This edit and this one are both appropriate in my opinion. The only source that suggests this to be true (or even plausible) is the article written by Andy. I accept that this is a sufficient citation for this encyclopedia (perhaps AugustO would do better to also accept this fact) but the citation itself should be referenced. If you just put in the article that it is true then a casual reader might think that there are multiple sources for the contention, whereas there is only one - albeit an unimpeachable one. --DamianJohn 16:10, 22 November 2012 (EST)
Again, and for the last time, at this point it's not a matter of accuracy to edits - it's a matter of what edit warring is, and that AugustO waited for Andy to leave (and thus no longer be there to revert him) even though he had already started a dialogue with ASchlafly. Those edits can at best be described as snarky.--IDuan 16:14, 22 November 2012 (EST)
I disagree. You don't appear to understand that everything you put in an article needs to be backed up. AugustO was attempting to do so, and you went above and beyond your remit to enforce your will on a lonstanding editor. By your actions you have inflamed a situation that could have been resolved more appropriately. --DamianJohn 16:18, 22 November 2012 (EST)
I am also a longstanding editor DamianJohn that has no play here. This is Andy's talk page if you wish to complain further. I suggest you not participate in block warring. Blocking a user because you disagree with his block is not a thing.--IDuan 16:23, 22 November 2012 (EST)