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Eulogy

Many eulogies are for people who are still alive. Aristotle called this speaking epideicticly. I don't know what I'm talking about.

All who know me know what a positive person I am, having admired Trump, but I am still learning. In that spirit, allow me to eulogize my favorite same-sex-loving person, Christopher Ciccone.

I was just looking at my 1985 high school yearbook. The four years of classes voted Madonna (Ciccone) "Best female vocalist". Most every girl in those classes was out of my league at the time, so I guess I have to admit they knew more than me about some things. Anyway, it turns out Christopher claimed he designed Madonna's looks. People say her singing wasn't that great despite being the vocalist on a number of good songs, so her looks probably were a significant part of her appeal, and Christopher would deserve a lot of credit for her success.

Christopher became a well-respected interior designer and designed Madonna's beautiful and exquisitely tasteful mansion when she was rich and famous. And when she turned on him, he wrote a book about her that was fair about her trying to improve her sympathy towards her male companions, but still proved she was disloyal to people, said he nearly threw a punch at her pretty-boy newlywed husband for patronizing him and walked out of her life when she wouldn't stop doing to him all the things caused by what people have come to dislike about her. What's not to love about Christopher Ciccone? VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 07:16, 7 February 2021 (EST)

Commentary on the foregoing

You'll notice I used the word "love" in what could be taken in two different senses. This is a portal for communication among encyclopedia writers, so I think the writers who profess such ability should be able to handle this much ambiguity. If they think otherwise, I might mention it would be just as much their fault as mine for not seeing that as something upon which to be remarked.

People can use the word "love" in numerous ways and end in ambiguity and indeed contradiction. If you pay attention, you'll realize in one sense "love" can be Divine, in another ungodly. In one sense: fruits of the spirit (Isaiah 11)!; in another: sterility. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 06:18, 12 February 2021 (EST)

Main page news

Hello everybody there are important news I want share on main page. how can I introduce news? --Alex Kosh (talk) 21:15, 16 February 2021 (EST)

You can put it on User_talk:Aschlafly or User_talk:TerryH. At least in theory, Talk:Main_Page is the page for this purpose. PeterKa (talk) 12:29, 17 February 2021 (EST)

Photo upload

Hello, I want to know how I can upload photo file here? --Alex Kosh (talk) 19:11, 10 March 2021 (EST)

Hi, you can post specific requests here: Conservapedia:Image upload requests (CP:IUR).

Ideally, please find images which are either in the public domain, or under Creative Commons licenses. If you need any assistance, have questions, or need ideas on where to look, let me know. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 21:51, 10 March 2021 (EST)

New Project Started

Hello Conservapedia editors! Yesterday I started Conservapedia:Project Current Events and I just wanted to invite anyone that wants to help out on the Project. The idea is similar to Wikipedia’s “Current Event WikiProject”, which I am the lead coordinator of, so hopefully Conservapedia can stay up to date on major current events. One such event that Wikipedia is barely talking about is 45 Office, which Donald Trump created yesterday. Because of my status on Wikipedia, I know a lot of the behind the scenes things, so hopefully I can grow Conservapedia just as much as I did Wikipedia. Feel free to join the Project. --Elijahandskip (talk) 12:17, 30 March 2021 (EDT)

Discussion for a possible new Wikipedia Article

Should a new article be started for discussions on Wikipedia that have major effects? (An example of one is Elijahandskip#Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article). Or, should the discussion details be added to Wikipedia or Examples of Bias in Wikipedia. I don't really know if they should go in the examples of bias article, because some aren't really a "bias" per say, but have extreme lasting effects on Wikipedia. Also, if you think a new article, what would the articles title be? --Elijahandskip (talk) 18:07, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

My recommendation would be to create the page on WP's Ukraine conspiracy theory article if you have enough to make it not a just stub, and put a link to it from the Bias in WP portal to it. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:13, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Well I wasn't just thinking about that discussion in general. I have been a part of tons of 'major' discussion on Wikipedia. One also involved Wikipedia removing information about US Governor Impeachment efforts (Both Republican and Democratic governor impeachment efforts). I also participated and know the history of a discussion where Wikipedia was about to say the assassination of an Italian Diplomat was no notable for Wikipedia. I would be perfectly fine creating an article just for that discussion, but what about the other discussions that had controversy on Wikipedia? --Elijahandskip (talk) 18:17, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Me personally, I'm all for bringing controversial questions that are squashed in Wikipedia here, and even making full-blown mainspace articles of them (see for example Murder of Seth Rich, Clinton donors in the Panama Papers and Naked short selling, for example. These are all full-blown articles that were censored in WP). The problem is not making just stub articles out of them. If there is only stub material, then it can go into the Biases in WP article with a link back to WP referencing the controversy. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:28, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

The difference between a full-blown mainspace article and stubs usually will be the links to external sources, and not just links to WP talk pages. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:36, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

If Wikipedia is suppressing well-researched work by an editor, properly sourced with external links, we want that work (generally in most cases). RobS^{Free Kyle!} 18:38, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

Yeah. That is good advice. I will wait for a day or so to let a few other people drop their opinions. But that is a really good idea. --Elijahandskip (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

It sounds good in theory, at least. I don't want us to just become "anti-Wikipedia" though, but rather a place where discussion like that isn't stifled. Rob is right to point out those examples...the Seth Rich article in particular stands out to me, because that information was heavily suppressed on numerous platforms. When our page went up, there seemed to be a lot of interest. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 20:50, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

We definitely should make articles for the Seth Rich article. Anything Wikipedia rejects is good for this site. Pokeria1 (talk) 21:04, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

i would say that we should also be lobbying search engines to teplace Wikipedia with this site as its more reliable. Or maybe with a more neutral version of this site

Conservapedia Scope

Just thought I'd ask the community here, but does anyone like the idea of Conservapedia allowing for a scope about as large as Wikipedia, but with obvious exceptions (e.g. no media that glorifies sin or is beyond vile). Perhaps allowing for some subjects that Wikipedia would not allow under their general notability guideline. Example: I made a Bulbasaur article & might make more Pokemon articles to accommodate the growing base of conservative gamers -- Wikipedia won't allow for articles on "non-notable" subjects and tend to take it too far, and perhaps this is an issue that Conservapedia can address. Although Wikipedia has an article on Bulbasaur, there are several other Pokemon that they simply merge in a list & so I wondered if a way to differentiate is have a subject on all Pokemon. There's probably a lot of students who would be eager to write essays on Pokemon if it were, let's say, a homework subject. At same time, having a guide for parents about Pokemon and the series because some conservative parents might feel uncomfortable about the series. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 12:59, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

I really like this idea. What we don't make for in community size we could make up in quantity of articles. If the articles are well written and focus on the aspects of it not generally defined by Wikipedia, then I think it helps (P.S I am a new member, it would be better to ask one of the big dogs). --Man O Wisdom (talk) 03:10, January 3, 2022 (EST)

Template:Infobox Film

I noticed in the Infobox Film template that there is no space included for production companies. Could the article be temporarily unlocked so I can add a production company space to that infobox? Northwest (talk) 21:59, August 31, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for that, now its related article will need editing as well to bring it in line. Northwest (talk) 22:39, August 31, 2021 (EDT)

Added introduction to myself on forum

hey everyone, i just found this site and am so excited to learn together. already edited a few pages. I added a song to the Greatest Conservative Songs page and corrected the Hebrew on the Tower of Babel page. Looking forward to meeting you all online.

Welcome to our site and thanks for the contributions you've made so far. Just be sure to sign your posts when you post here and on talk pages. Northwest (talk) 23:03, September 1, 2021 (EDT)

Orphan pages

Orphan pages, particularly orphan stubs, have become a real problem at Conservapedia. [1] When creating new content, please follow these Guidelines: Conservapedia:Guidelines#Article_length. Stub pages (pages with less than 300 words), and particularly uncategorized stubs, orphaned stubs, stubs with few or no outgoing links have the detrimental effect of lowering our Google rankings. To avoid an accidental deletion during a routine cleanup of the server, when creating a stub, please integrate your new article into the whole wiki by de-orphaning it, adding a Category, and have a few good quality external links. Thank you. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 15:04, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

Can we (as a wiki collective), adopt these pages? Or should they just be swept under the rug until deletion? I need something to do, I have some time to donate. --Man O Wisdom (talk) 03:13, January 3, 2022 (EST)

Offline Conservapedia archive

I've undertaken an effort to create an offline archive of Conservapedia in OpenZim format that can be used for any of the following:

• Homeschool parents who want to give their kids access without opening them up to the rest of the internet.
• People in rural (homesteaders) or remote areas (missionaries) with little or no internet access.
• Preppers who are trying to keep archives of important data in case the access to the internet is lost or severely censored.

I'm using the mwoffliner tool but I discovered that the version of Mediawiki running on the site needs to be updated for compatibility with that tool. I went ahead and created a clone of Conservapedia on my home computer using the latest version on Docker. As I started to archive the site with mwoffliner there are a few pages that I stumbled upon that had issues causing errors with the archival. I would like to offer my help to the community at large with contributing back these corrections and to share the finished ZIM file when it is ready. Is there anyone who would like to join me in this effort? It would be especially helpful if someone could help by upgrading the site from the current version of 1.24.2 to 1.36.1 or later. I'm willing to pitch in if needed.

Thanks! -- John6 (talk) 22:26, September 15, 2021 (EDT)

I know the current version level of the site is incompatible with some modern tools, and that is unfortunate. While I have no say in the upgrade decision, my understanding is that it probably won't be happening for some time. 1.24 offers features and options with were removed or changed in later versions.

As for the issues you noted, you might want to check logs, and see if any pages in particular are giving you issues. There are a few pages with weird (typically ASCII) symbol codes, or NBS characters, which can mess with API calls. You might want to see if you can identify specific problematic pages, and exclude them, so you can archive the rest (if you are able to do so at all, with this wiki version). --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 02:16, September 16, 2021 (EDT)

It is hard for me to tell how many of the issues were a result of the export and rebuild process on the newer version of Mediawiki. The best way to know is to perform the export from the live site. Is there anything I can contribute to help get us ready to upgrade to a newer version? What features were removed and can I help to migrate to something new? John6 (talk) 18:26, September 17, 2021 (EDT)

Very belated reply here, but I haven't had much time for CP, lately. You can contact User:Aschlafly about any upgrade-related questions, since he owns the site. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 13:59, February 1, 2022 (EST)

Changing my username

Hello, is there a way for me to usurp another person's username? Cicero was permanently blocked in 2007, having made no non-deleted contributions. Cicero1 (talk) 18:06, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think so. Conservative (talk) 19:41, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

I recall that the MediaWiki software allows users to be renamed. First move the usurpee to a different name like "User (old)", and then move the usurper to the requested username. I am not sure if this works on all wikis. Cicero1 (talk) 20:17, October 31, 2021 (EDT)

You sure? Look at these requests here. Skelly (talk) 09:26, November 1, 2021 (EDT)

I am not sure. I asked the owner of the website about this issue many years ago and he said he could not help the person. And unfortunately, at the present time, I don't have the time to try to assist User: Cicero1 further. Conservative (talk) 10:59, November 1, 2021 (EDT)

Yes Cicero1, you are correct. Perhaps you can ask Andy here about potentially renaming the current User:Cicero to clear the way for you to be renamed with that specific username. —LT^{May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!} Monday, 19:27, November 1, 2021 (EDT)

Is someone going to delete the Jimbo Wales is peеd on pages?

As the title says. Skelly (talk) 19:07, January 3, 2022 (EST)

I deleted a bunch of them via a mass delete command. I may have gotten them all. If you know the usernames that created the articles, I can do a mass delete for the usernames. Conservative (talk) 20:00, January 3, 2022 (EST)

Duplicate summary

I notice that conservapedia forces me to type in the summary twice when I make an edit before it publishes my changes. Can someone look into this please? Jeffythedragonslayer (talk) 10:50 PM, January 10, 2022 (EST)

Yes, I've noticed that. Are you using the "Publish" button in the upper right? I only get prompted in this way when I use that button. Instead, I use the "Save page" button in the lower left, and that seems to work without prompting me to enter it a second time. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 22:43, January 11, 2022 (EST)

Updating MediaWiki software

Would it be possible to update MediaWiki to the lastest version? The current one is many years old and lacking in features and even more important, security patches. Thanks. - Karjalainen ^(TALK) 2022-06-03 17:59

I believe the site owner likes this version for certain reasons, since some things were also removed after this version of the software. However, I can also see benefits to updating. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 00:54, January 3, 2023 (EST)

I spoke to the former Conservapedia editor Philip J. Rayment today who is an Australian. He is doing well.

I spoke to the former Conservapedia editor Philip J. Rayment today (He is an Australian). He is doing well. Conservative (talk) 01:18, January 1, 2023 (EST

Unfortunately, I missed the opportunity to work with him due to timing. However, I'm glad to hear that, and that you have been able to get in touch! --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 00:52, January 3, 2023 (EST)

He is a very nice man. It was nice talking with him. Conservative (talk)

Rambling questions and complaints

Eight questions of complaint

1-2. How does RobS get away with moving the section about my challenge to User:Telling about the factuality of his addition to Ilhan Omar's page regarding the person herself shortly after I left Conservapedia to do other things in Spring or Summer of 2021 a second time? Are we to assume he meant the restoring of some of my user tools were to serve as some kind of payoff for allowing him to move it to the talk page?

3-4. How does that reflect on myself and Conservapedia? That's not a fitting picture by which I would wish to be portrayed. Why would Conservapedia allow this same unfitting picture be used to portray its administrator Rob Smith who carried out this belittling task not just under this scandalous condition but on an earlier occasion without the condition attached as well?

I say belittling advisedly, because this whole implied transaction also tends to dwarf the fact that he removed many remarks I made afterward that couched my reply in a context providing a fuller view of the parties and the situation in which they had placed themselves with respect to the challenge, particularly the deserts of making use of the Talk:Main Page for such purposes, which really ought to be honored or at least the consideration of which remarks made mention.

LT gave a speech about supposed left-wing anti-Semitism and did it in a fairly public place. He made remarks about Ilhan Omar, and the new information I presented about User:Telling might have shifted the weight of the balance in the other direction toward anti-Semitism not really being a factor in left-wing politics, or rather, in the leadership type of capacity, the subject in which the supposed anti-Semitism was taking place that he tried to advance through those remarks.

5. Why doesn't LT have to stand up for himself in that same public place and defend his decision upon the presentation of new evidence about the factuality of the information User:Telling caused to appear on Ilhan Omar's entry page that would have been relevant to his decision?

6. And why doesn't User:Telling have to defend the non sequitur he made about Ilhan Omar based on the evidence he himself presented in the same place I rehearsed the actions he took a few months after I left so it can help LT determine whether what he proposed about Ilhan Omar were true or not, and which may very well be prejudicial to that woman's honor?

7. Further, based on evidence of my view of Recent Changes, why was User:Telling permitted to carry out odd jobs unrelated to the factuality challenge I posed to his contributions the very next day, while having failed to have answered the challenge, admittedly without the additional context Rob Smith removed providing further documentation of importance to the issues being discussed.

8. And why doesn't User:RobSmith himself have to defend [depicting VM] my careful delineative description of the situation as "trash-talk" towards another editor? He even erased my indignant but polite reply to that qualitative description when he moved it to the talk page, so had User:Telling seen it, he would have been misled into thinking I had no answer for this Administrator's expressions of harsh disappoval after many hours, when it had been a matter of a few minutes.

What's as bad, is that I don't have access to the Talk:Main_Page history, so I can neither restore the replies I made to you about that hostile reference you made nor any of the other remarks I made in the context of misconduct.

Time is of the essence in matters like this, when persons' reputations are dangling, so this forces me to reply on an ad hoc basis, increasing the probability of inflammatory words being exchanged due to the rigid propriety required due to persons' reputations and the likelihood of it being scoured in minutiae for defects by which the entirety of the passages complaining of misconduct against persons gets thrown out altogether versus the need to promptly render aid to the persons' reputations, which may be at risk of damage as people arrive to view the discussion or what passed transitorily according to the Talk:Main_page history and, to top it off, a history to which I have been denied access of view.

Paranoia often emerges from tension between broadly contrary or unevenly-scaled choices between which we must maintain a balance. I think it's fair to characterize Personal remark removed This disregard for the mental state of the clients of Conservapedia on a sensitive subject, which fortunately didn't affect me, is an unfortunate disregard for the condition in which a response to the cumbersome tasks requiring careful concern to carry out that he placed before them to accomplish.

Let's add a third-diversely contrary or differently-scaled tension, though others could be mentioned, a subject upon which I'll draw to a conclusion: working on the Lord's Day. What would have happened if midway through this complaint the work had suddenly become onerous, and I would have been unable to continue. Time would have ticked by slowly as the onus of protecting reputations would have formed a vicious circle, or worse, a chaotic system, with my unwillingness to work onerously, until the feelings of laboriousness would have settled down, before which point it could very well have been a factor of overinterest to my mind. And yet I'm somehow asked to take these potential ordeals lightly and render them as of no account.

By the way, I don't regard these complaints as provocations, but how do you invalidate something like that, after all. If they're contrary to his interest in any way, Rob Smith will regard it as such, apparently. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 22:04, March 5, 2023 (EST)

I didn't entitle this section "Rambling questions and complaints", someone else did. It was moved over here from Talk:Main Page. I wouldn't regard them as rambling at all. I looked to Recent Changes, and the record didn't go back beyond 7 days. So once again, I'm expected to absorb an insult, while others aren't held accountable for making them. In fact the insult I mentioned about Ilhan Omar in mainspace still remains. The very last item in Recent Changes had Andy Schlafly writing in the edit summary about a fellow who was benched two seasons and then made it big in the NFL. Well, as long as that guy's happy (the guy to which Andy is referring), that's what matters, doesn't it.

What I think is happening here is things have been rigged so certain people always end up successful or have the scales of equity tipped in their favor regardless of what just treatment would require. And by "here" I meant worldwide. I can't imagine manipulating my own opinion to attain certain fixed ends, but some people think that serves as a just treatment to their neighbors under God. Or rather I can; I used to do it in matters of religious faith, but then I made a conscious decision to open my heart to my fellow Americans out of sympathy for miseries they might be experiencing through no fault of their own. Today, I've come to the conclusion there was a lot of disordered self-pity involved on their part, and that I may have been gravely mistaken in undertaking such a willingness to let my belief float for the sake of love for my fellow man.

But then I remember this, and I do it to heap coals on your head:

Hereby perceive we the love of God

because he laid down his life for us:

and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

But whoso hath this world's good,

and seeth his brother have need,

and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him,

how dwelleth the love of God in him?

—1 John 3:16-17

I think those influenced by Middle Eastern beliefs misuse Christians as oracles when they can't decide for themselves what to do.

I think this oracle is closing shop.

VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 00:34, March 17, 2023 (EDT)

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

I apply this in my wiki talk page editing. I try to make myself as clear as possible in hopes that others will likewise do the same. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:05, March 17, 2023 (EDT)

New page cataloging groomers

https://www.conservapedia.com/Trans_and_Drag_Grooming_In_the_West

I made a new page with the purpose of cataloging all instances of grooming and pedophilia from specifically the trans and drag queens but I suppose some LGBT examples could also be included.. I'm open to hearing your opinions on that.

Either way it's really rough draft and I'm hoping for a lot of help with the community to format it and also to add many many more examples. Well there's no shortage of left-wing bullshit cataloging of every single example of a priest that molest two children there's almost zero examples of an actual database for transgrooming and molestation and I think we need to start some..