Essay: A pontificating, godless, British, socialist at a skeptical wiki has blind faith

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Much to the dismay of British socialists, Margaret Thatcher was the longest-serving British prime minister of the 20th century.

There was a discussion at a skeptical wiki entitled If Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak becomes Prime Minister of the UK.

User: KarmaPolice, a British, godless, socialist participated in the discussion. Unfortunately, he did not pull his weight during the discussion. So the message in the section below was posted on his user talk page.

Question: Which is worse for a British citizen? A pontificating, British cult leader who requires you to wear beads, sandals and white garments or you can't join his cult? Or an arrogant, pontificating, godless, British, socialist who votes and who is under the impression that every claim he makes is true and therefore needs no evidence to support those claims? You decide! Additional information: The pontificating, cult leader who requires you to wear beads, sandals and white garments or you can't join his cult will not be tirelessly trying to raise your taxes.

Question: KarmaPolice describes himself thusly: "I'm British, socialist, working class and just old enough for a mid-life crisis."[1] Will KarmaPolice continue down his dreary, unsatisfying life of thirsting for a socialist utopia which will never arrive or will he put his nose to the grindstone and become a God-fearing, successful capitalist with a lovely, loving wife and a brood of well-behaved children? See also: Mr. Leftist, the rich aren't going to bail you out. Get off your butt! And marry before you have sex! Godspeed.

Message left at KarmaPolice's user page

KarmaPolice continues to be indignant when he is proverbially pulled over and asked for his license to make claims without providing sufficient proof and evidence for his claims.

KarmaPolice, you wrote: "Even if Truss wants to do Austerity Redux, I don't think she'll be able to much - what's she gonna cut? Everything we can 'live without' is gone, only critical functions remain."

Clearly, you were the first one to make the claim. And I am asking you to provide evidence for it. As a person at a skeptic website, surely you must think that the burden of proof is upon the claimant. And yet, you provided no proof.

Now either you can prove, "Everything we can 'live without' is gone, only critical functions remain." or you cannot. If you cannot, just admit you can't. That would be decent thing to do.

I am getting the distinct feeling that socialism is religion of yours that you have blind faith in.

It is also apparent that hubris is a problem of yours. You seem to be under the impression that everything you say is truth and cannot be questioned. I have some news for you. What you say can be questioned and was questioned. And you failed the test of providing evidence for one of your claims.

I leave you with this Latin phase: Semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit. That is Latin for "He who asserts must prove."

An additional note concerning KarmaPolice

KarmaPolice continues to be indignant when he is proverbially pulled over and asked for his license to make claims without providing sufficient proof and evidence for his claims.

"When you were eight and you had bad traits, you go to school and learn the golden rule. So why are you acting like a bloody fool? If you get hot, you must get cool." - Excerpt from the song Bad Boys

Question for KarmaPolice

KarmaPolice, can you give me one example where socialism has worked very well for a nation for 50 years? I just want one example.

KarmaPolice, you and the UK have been weighed in the balance and you both have been found wanting

Joseph Stalin's atheistic, communist, regime killed tens of millions of people.

The website states: "Communism, sometimes referred to as revolutionary socialism, also originated as a reaction to the Industrial Revolution, and came to be defined by Marx's theories—taken to their extreme end."

Speaking as a Protestant who has some admiration for John Wesley and the German Martin Luther, I cannot say I am a big fan of pontificating cult leaders.

On the other hand, it is estimated that in the past 100 years, governments under the banner of atheistic communism have caused the death of somewhere between 40,472,000 and 259,432,000 human lives.[2] Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.[3] For more information, please Atheism and mass murder.

By the way, Singapore was a British colony for a total of 144 years. It spends less per capita in non-infrastructure government spending than the UK, but financially it has a much better standard of living per capita and the country has a better Fitch credit rating than the UK. Furthermore, in terms of educational attainment in mathematics, science and reading, Singapore ranks higher than the UK although they spend less per capita on education.[4]

Singapore's success must really stick in the craw of the godless, British, socialist KarmaPolice who lives in a country drowning in sovereign debt with a lower credit rating than Singapore. The fall of the British Empire may put a dent in his pride as well. Furthermore, Singapore has excellent infrastructure, while the pothole-ridden UK has a road repair crisis (see: United Kingdom's road repair crisis). Oh, how the formerly mighty have fallen!

Also, User: Aaron55 wrote to KarmaPolice: "The Amish are literate, have strong family bonds, have a strong work ethic, avoid debt and they don't have a graying population. Time magazine published an article Why Amish Kids Are Happier than Yours. The UK needs to be more like the Amish.", it was a very legitimate example of a prosperous, happy and growing population in the USA (and other places) that does not depend on a lot of government spending for their survival or general happiness. And unlike the UK, the Amish do not have a lot of debt and the headaches associated with it."

In 2013, the breakdown service Britannia Rescue reported that potholes now “take up a total area of 295 square miles (764 square km) in Britain – more than twice the size of the Isle of Wight”.[5]

For more information, please see: United Kingdom's road repair crisis
When the British socialists had more power in the UK, there were rats, garbage and corpses in the streets. It took Margaret Thatcher being elected to straighten things out.[6]

The Iron Lady was very uncompromising when it came to dealing with UK socialists and liberals.
An Amish farm near Morristown, New York.

The Amish population is doubling every 20 years in the United States.[7]

The UK has a greying population.
Both godless, communist China and the UK have graying populations due to their subreplacement levels of births. See: Atheism and fertility rates
Eric Kaufmann, a professor at Birkbeck College, University of London, wrote:

"I argue that 97% of the world's population growth is taking place in the developing world, where 95% of people are religious.

On the other hand, the secular West and East Asia has very low fertility and a rapidly aging population. The demographic disparity between the religious, growing global South and the aging, secular global North will peak around 2050. In the coming decades, the developed world's demand for workers to pay its pensions and work in its service sector will soar alongside the booming supply of young people in the third world. Ergo, we can expect significant immigration to the secular West which will import religious revival on the back of ethnic change. In addition, those with religious beliefs tend to have higher birth rates than the secular population, with fundamentalists having far larger families. The epicentre of these trends will be in immigration gateway cities like New York (a third white), Amsterdam (half Dutch), Los Angeles (28% white), and London, 45% white British." [8]

Please note: As time progresses, there will be fewer and fewer irreligious/nonreligious Brits like KarmaPolice.

For more information, please see: Attention British, militant atheists! Brace yourself for the mighty, religious wave that is coming

Comrade KarmaPolice and the other leftist/liberals are having great difficulty funding their politically to the left wiki RationalWiki

See also: Comrade RationalWikian, can you spare a dime?

in Heaven, the streets are paved with pure gold (Revelation 21:21). is a politically left-leaning website that skews towards atheism/agnosticism in terms of its worldview.

On May 29, 2022, one of the founders of the RationalWiki website indicated "Currently the donations we get are sparse... We have not done a donation drive in a long time and have not been self-supporting for over a year....".[9]

Get woke, go broke!

The USA based Christian internet evangelism organization Global Media Outreach, which indicates there have been 250,000,000 indicated decisions for Jesus Christ while people have been at their websites since their founding, had a record year in fundraising in 2021.[10]

"He who sits in the heavens laughs; the Lord holds them in derision." - Psalm 2:4

For more information, please see: Comrade RationalWikian, can you spare a dime?

Protestant missionaries and economic and societal development

The atheist and Harvard University historian Niall Ferguson declared: "Through a mixture of hard work and thrift the Protestant societies of the North and West Atlantic achieved the most rapid economic growth in history."[11]

See also: Protestant cultural legacies

The atheist and Harvard University historian Niall Ferguson declared: "Through a mixture of hard work and thrift the Protestant societies of the North and West Atlantic achieved the most rapid economic growth in history."[12]

The article The Surprising Discovery About Those Colonialist, Proselytizing Missionaries published in Christianity Today notes:

In his fifth year of graduate school, Woodberry created a statistical model that could test the connection between missionary work and the health of nations. He and a few research assistants spent two years coding data and refining their methods. They hoped to compute the lasting effect of missionaries, on average, worldwide...

One morning, in a windowless, dusty computer lab lit by fluorescent bulbs, Woodberry ran the first big test. After he finished prepping the statistical program on his computer, he clicked "Enter" and then leaned forward to read the results.

"I was shocked," says Woodberry. "It was like an atomic bomb. The impact of missions on global democracy was huge. I kept adding variables to the model—factors that people had been studying and writing about for the past 40 years—and they all got wiped out. It was amazing. I knew, then, I was on to something really important."

Woodberry already had historical proof that missionaries had educated women and the poor, promoted widespread printing, led nationalist movements that empowered ordinary citizens, and fueled other key elements of democracy. Now the statistics were backing it up: Missionaries weren't just part of the picture. They were central to it...

Areas where Protestant missionaries had a significant presence in the past are on average more economically developed today, with comparatively better health, lower infant mortality, lower corruption, greater literacy, higher educational attainment (especially for women), and more robust membership in nongovernmental associations.

In short: Want a blossoming democracy today? The solution is simple—if you have a time machine: Send a 19th-century missionary... a conference presentation in 2002, Woodberry got a break. In the room sat Charles Harper Jr., then a vice president at the John Templeton Foundation, which was actively funding research on religion and social change. (Its grant recipients have included Christianity Today.) Three years later, Woodberry received half a million dollars from the foundation's Spiritual Capital Project, hired almost 50 research assistants, and set up a huge database project at the University of Texas, where he had taken a position in the sociology department. The team spent years amassing more statistical data and doing more historical analyses, further confirming his theory.

...Woodberry's historical and statistical work has finally captured glowing attention. A summation of his 14 years of research—published in 2012 in the American Political Science Review, the discipline's top journal—has won four major awards, including the prestigious Luebbert Article Award for best article in comparative politics. Its startling title: "The Missionary Roots of Liberal Democracy."

...over a dozen studies have confirmed Woodberry's findings. The growing body of research is beginning to change the way scholars, aid workers, and economists think about democracy and development.[13]

A side note about the UK and British

I have some British ancestry and have some admiration for some of the cultural achievements of the British. For example, I could point to Methodism, the book Pilgrim's Progress, the King James Bible, the works of C.S. Lewis, William Shakespeare's works, the Magna Carta, common law and the works of Charles Dickens.

And my dealings with the British have been very positive because as a whole as they are unfailing polite and have a sense of humor. Part of my work life involves dealing with British authors and/or filmmakers and the British still create some excellent works.

At the same time, post Charles Darwin Britain is less admirable in some ways than what came before it. And sometimes I needle British atheists, agnostics and evolutionists and/or people who are fans of such people, but I endeavor to do it in a good-natured way. For example, I wrote the essay: Does Richard Dawkins have machismo?.

The flag of the United Kingdom.
John Wesley was the founder of Methodism.
KarmaPolice, there is more in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your godless philosophy.

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See also



  1. KarmaPolice user page
  2. Multiple references:
  3. Rummel, R. J. (November 1993). "How many did communist regimes murder?" University of Hawaii website; Freedom, Democracy, Peace; Power, Democide, and War. Retrieved July 19, 2014.
  4. PISA 2018 Worldwide Ranking – average score of mathematics, science and reading
  6. Three Nations That Tried Socialism and Rejected It, Heritage Foundation, 2019
  8. 97% of the world's population growth is taking place in the developing world, where 95% of people are religious, Tuesday, April 30, 2013
  9. Difference between revisions of "RationalWiki talk:Site support", Revision as of 17:15, 29 May 2022 (edit) (undo)
  10. Global Media Outreach - Financials
  11. The Protestant Work Ethic: Alive & Well…In China By Hugh Whelchel on September 24, 2012
  12. The Protestant Work Ethic: Alive & Well…In China By Hugh Whelchel on September 24, 2012
  13. Christianity Today, The Surprising Discovery About Those Colonialist, Proselytizing Missionaries, January 8, 2014