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/* Dutch language */ reinstating parts absolutely unpersonal...
We could indicate which of this is officially correct, and also note any historical changes. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:17, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
==Name for encyclopedia article==
"The Kingdon of the Netherlands" is an English translation of the formal name. it is NOT the official name which is "Koninkrijk der Nederlanden". Our readers will be better served by the usual English name for the country, "Netherlands." For example if they are writing papers their teachers will want them to use "The Netherlands" and NOT use "The Kingdom..." variation. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:24, 5 January 2009 (EST)
 
:I'm afraid, you're wrong. I elaborated this in the next section [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 07:49, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
 
== The Kingdom of the Netherlands is not the Netherlands! ==
 
There is a not-too-subtle difference between ''The Netherlands'' and ''The Kingdom of the Netherlands'': The former are the European part of the latter. Actually, the Netherlands are just what is described in the article on [[The Kingdom of the Netherlands]]. '''The Kingdom of the Netherlands''' on the other hand consists from ''The Netherlands'', ''Aruba'' and the ''Netherlands Antilles''.
 
IMO, the existing article should be moved to '''The Netherlands''' and a new article should be created stating something like:
:'''The Kingdom of the Netherlands''' is as association of [[The Netherlands]], [[Aruba]] and the [[Netherlands Antilles]]. The responsibilities of the member states (Dutch: ''landen'') are described in the '' Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands''<ref>
http://www.minbzk.nl/aspx/download.aspx?file=/contents/pages/48365/thecharterforthekingdomofthenetherlands.pdf Charter for the Kingdom of the Netherlands</ref>.
 
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==Dutch language==
 
I have removed most attempts to teach Americans the Dutch version of various names. If anyone wants to create a [[Glossary of Dutch terms]] as a separate article, that would be great. One thing you could do is explain why some geographical names start with ''"'s"'' and why that is so important for us English speakers to know. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 18:41, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 
 
:*The Dutch term of ''kingom of the netherlands'' is ''Koninkrijk der Nederlanden''. So, if one of the students who frequents this wiki has stumbled upon this term during his studies and wants to look it up at Conservapedia, he should be able to find this article via the search function. That's the main point, I think - and it holds true for ''Vereenigde Oostindische'', etc. Or imaging he gets a card from a friend who is staying in '' 's Gravenshage'' - because he likes the quirky spelling. A search at Conservapedia should come up with a valid result.
:*We foreigners see it as a kind of courtesy if our cities, countries, famous places are called by our less known own names, too: I don't expect an article on [[Wien]], but I surely hope that the name ''Wien'' is mentioned in the article on [[Vienna]].
:*It's nice to know that [[antidisestablishmentarianism]] is the longest word in the Oxford dictionary. In fact, that is its claim to fame, and perhaps the main reason that there is an article on this subject here at Conservapedia. I assume that there are quite a few pupils out there who enjoy such an information - and who like to see that there are words starting with an starting with an ''"'s"''. It may not by important, but it is enjoying - as much as knowing that [[Liechtenstein]] and [[Uzbekistan]] are the only [[landlocked|doubly landlocked]] countries.
:But that's all fairly basic stuff and I'm somewhat surprised that I have to spell the points above out. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:10, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 
:BTW: It should be obvious from the above - I reintroduced the courtesy references to the Dutch names: a ''glossary of Dutch terms'' seems to be unnecessary for the Dutch proper names of cities, etc., and anyone looking for a term like '' 's Gravenshage'' would have to take an additional step before reaching the article of the Netherlands which includes the section on The Hague. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:30, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 
Please use proper indenting standards. Don't edit war with admins. Any more nonsense with Dutch article, and you'll be banned.
 
I already told you that this is an English language encyclopedia. Like Wikipedia, we follow the principle of least astonishment. Information should be where American readers can find it. If you want to help a few Dutch readers (rare though they surely will be), you are welcome as I said elsewhere to create a [[Glossary of Dutch terms]] as a separate article.
 
Stop pretending you don't understand my instructions, and stop causing trouble, or be elsewhere. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 19:38, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 
:::I'd appreciate if you would address my points above. Here a summary:
::#It's helpful to have the native names in the according articles as they can be found by a simple search.
::#It's courteous to the natives to state their names for things you are writing about.
::#Some quirks of languages are interesting in their own right.
:::[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 20:05, 11 July 2012 (EDT)
 
== Wikipedia ==
 
I am afraid the section "Politics" was copied, in [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Netherlands&diff=793065&oldid=784683 this edit], from two Wikipedia articles: [http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pim_Fortuyn Pim Fortuyn] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders Geert Wilders]. As the [[Conservapedia:Commandments|Commadments]] say the content should not be copied, I suggest removing it; it might be a copyright violation. There should be a better way to describe politics of Netherlands - list of political parties, current government etc. instead of two detailed specific biographies. [[User:Cipe|Cipe]] 19:05, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
 
:You are right, I'll delete the section. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 19:23, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
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