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Danish language

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'''Danish''' is a North [[Germanic language]], spoken in [[Denmark]]. The language is very close to Bokmål, one of two official [[Norwegian language]]s.

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German language

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'''German''' (''Deutsch'') is a major world language, spoken by some 120 million people worldwide. The German vocabulary is closely related to [[English]] and [[Dutch]], and all three use the [[Latin alphabet]] in writing. German is widely spoken in [[Germany]], [[Austria]], [[Liechtenstein]], [[Luxembourg]], and [[Switzerland]].<ref>[http://www.ethnologue.org/show_language.asp?code=deu Ethnologue:German]</ref> Liechtenstein is the only state that has German as its only official language.

==German Alphabet==
The German alphabet consists of every letter in the English alphabet, with additional letters. German makes use of the letter ß, called the ''scharfes S'' ("sharp s"), which is a ligature of the letter "s" and "z" from cursive scripts. It is used for occurrences of the ''voiceless alveolar fricative'', the sound of the "s" in the English word "sea", after long vowels and diphthongs, for which German otherwise uses "s" or "ss". This to avoid confusion with the ''voiced alveolar fricative'', the sound of "z" in the English word "zoo", for which German always uses the letter "s". It is sometimes called "sz," however, if the letter is not available it has to be replaced by the letters "ss", and not by "sz". In Switzerland and Liechtenstein this letter is generally omitted in favor of "ss". The other additional letter are the three vowels ''ä'', ''ö'' and ''ü'', also known in English as Umlauts. If not present on a keyboard they customarily are substituted by ''ae'', ''oe'', and ''ue''.

==History==

The modern German language is descended from the language known as Proto-Germanic, which is believed to have been spoken in central and northern Europe during the first millennium BC. Proto-Germanic was eventually divided into several different but similar languages, specifically East Germanic, West Germanic and North Germanic. Gothic is the only known East Germanic language, while North Germanic evolved into the modern Scandinavian languages.

Generally, the later development of the West Germanic language can be divided in two distinct lines of descent: Upper German, spoken in Central and Southern Germany, and Low German, spoken in Northern Germany. "Low" and "Upper" are geographic terms, referring to the lowlands of Northern Germany and the more mountainous areas of Southern Germany, respectively.

The term "High German" refers to the standardized version of German that derives mostly from Upper and Central German dialects. It evolved through Old High German (c. 200-1000 AD), Middle High German (c. 1000-1500 AD), Early New High German (c. 1500-1700) and finally to the present New High German, which is the standard modern German language. Low German went through a similar development, starting with Old Saxon and similar languages, through Middle Low German into the modern Low German, which is in linguistics often referred to a Low Saxon. It was the standard language of the Hanseatic league, but was superseded as standard language in North Germany when High German was accepted as official language in Prussia. Due to the influence of Prussia as political power, and later Hamburg as media center, a more Northern German pronunciation has been adopted as standard pronunciation in television and radio. It is said that the best High German is spoken in Hanover, while the traditional dialect of the Hanover area is a dialect of Low German.

== German Dialects ==
Dialects of Low German or Low Saxon spoken in the North of Germany are Westphalian, Eastphalian, East-Frisian, North Low Saxon, Sleswickian, and Holastian, and Pommerian, Margravian. The Low Saxon dialects spoken in the east of the Netherlands are often included as East Dutch Low Saxon. One might encounter also ''Missingisch'', a Low Saxon - High German pidgin. In modern times however standard New High German with a Northern accent has become the norm for spoken language in the North of Germany.

The dialects of German are classified as central and upper German. Central German dialects are Ripuarian, Central Franconian, Rhine Francoinian, Hessian, Thurinigian, Saxonian, and Berlinerish. Luxemburgish is often included as a Moselle Franconian dialect. Upper German dialects spoken in the South of the German speaking area, which includes Bavaria, Austria, Liechtenstein and northern areas of Italy, the northern part of Switzerland, and eastern parts of France are Bavarian, East and South Franconian, Swabian, Allemanic, and Alsatian.

Official Minority languages in Germany are [[Frisian]], a west germanic language, [[Sorbian]], a slavic language, and [[Danish]].

==Grammar==
German has a great deal of inflection compared to English, including three genders of nouns (plus the plural), and four cases. Adjectives are also given endings based on their gender and case. The plural forms of nouns follow complex patterns that are difficult for a non-native speaker to master. The system of auxiliary verbs for various tenses works similarly to English. Word order has some definite differences compared to English, but also has greater flexibility in several aspects.

===Noun inflection===
German nouns can have one of three genders: masculine, feminine, or neutral. The definite articles in the nominative case are as follows:

*'''Der''' Hund (Nouns are always capitalized in German.) = The dog
*'''Die''' Ente = The duck
*'''Das''' Schwein = The pig

These three genders collapse into a single plural form, using the definite article '''die''', as in

'''Die''' Schweine = The Pigs

Indefinite articles are represented by only two types in the nominative case, ''ein'' and ''eine'':

*'''Ein''' Hund = A dog
*'''Eine''' Ente = A duck
*'''Ein''' Schwein = A pig

As in English, there is no indefinite article for plural nouns.

===The four cases===
In German, four cases are used, known as the ''nominative'', the ''accusative'', the ''dative'', and the ''genitive''. Nominative is the case which is used in the subject of sentences, or to say A=B. Accusative indicates a direct object relationship, as in "I bought '''the book'''." The dative case shows an indirect object relationship, as in "I gave '''you''' the book." The genitive case has slowly fallen into disuse, but indicates possession; this usage is often replaced by the dative in most cases.

The definite and indefinite articles change according to the case:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Definite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| '''der''' Hund
| '''den''' Hund
| '''dem''' Hund
| '''des''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| '''die''' Ente
| '''die''' Ente
| '''der''' Ente
| '''der''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| '''das''' Schwein
| '''das''' Schwein
| '''dem''' Schwein
| '''des''' Schwein'''s'''*
|-
! Plural
| '''die''' Schweine
| '''die''' Schweine
| '''den''' Schweine'''n'''*
| '''der''' Schweine
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Indefinite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| ein Hund
| ein'''en''' Hund
| ein'''em''' Hund
| ein'''es''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| ein'''e''' Ente
| ein'''e''' Ente
| ein'''er''' Ente
| ein'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| ein Schwein
| ein Schwein
| ein'''em''' Schwein
| ein'''es''' Schwein'''s'''*
|}
<nowiki>*With the genitive case, masculine and neutral nouns take the "s" or "es" ending, while the plural form of masculine and neutral nouns take the "n" ending in dative.</nowiki>

Any other articles take endings by gender and case according to one of these two models. Other examples of article types include possessive (mein Hund = my dog) negative (kein Schwein = no pig), and "this one" (diese Ente = this duck).

===Adjective declension===
When adjectives appear modifying a noun, their ending must agree with both the case and gender of the noun. These endings follow separate rules from those of the definite and indefinite articles, making this extremely difficult for the non-native speaker.

The endings with a definite article always take either an "e" or "en" as ending:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| der schwarz'''e''' Hund
| den schwarz'''en''' Hund
| dem schwarz'''en''' Hund
| des schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| die gelb'''e''' Ente
| die gelb'''e''' Ente
| der gelb'''en''' Ente
| der gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| dem schlau'''en''' Schwein
| des schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| den schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| der schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}
(schwarz = black, gelb = yellow, schlau = clever)

So-called "strong" declension occurs when there is no article, or when the determiner has no gender (as in "some" or "many"). In strong declension, the ending of the adjective takes on the ending of the definite article:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| schwarz'''er''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund
| schwarz'''em''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''em''' Schwein
| schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| schlau'''er''' Schweine
|}

So-called "mixed declension" is used with indefinite articles and possessive articles. Both the article and the adjective take an ending, but the masculine and neutral forms change in the nominative case to carry the "lost" ending caused by the use of an indefinite determiner:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| mein schwarz'''er''' Hund
| mein'''en''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''em''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''es''' schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein'''em''' schlau'''en''' Schwein
| mein'''es''' schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''en''' schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| mein'''er''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}

===Plural forms===
In contrast to English's simple addition of "s" to make a noun plural, German plural forms use several different inflections depending on the word. They fall into seven types:

;1. No change
:der '''Zimmer''' (room) → die '''Zimmer'''
;2. No ending, with Umlaut
:der Apfel (apple) → die '''Ä'''pfel
;3. Add -e
:das Ziel (goal) → die Ziel'''e'''
;4. Add -e, with Umlaut
:der Tanz (dance) → die T'''ä'''nz'''e'''
;5. Add -er, with Umlaut
:das Glas (glass) → die Gl'''ä'''s'''er'''
;6. Add -n or -en
:die Frau (woman) → die Frau'''en'''
;7. Add -s
:das Tabu (taboo) → die Tabu'''s'''

There is no logical formula to determine which plural form a given noun will take, so the plural form must also be learned as one learns a new noun.

===Auxiliary verbs===
Just as in English, the German language uses helping verbs for most of its tenses. When this occurs, it is the helping verb which is conjugated. The perfect tense exists in German, which uses either the verb ''haben'' (to have) or ''sein'' (to be) together with a past participle. The future tense also uses a helping verb, ''werden'', which is also used for the passive voice (i.e. The lawn is watered daily.). German also uses modal verbs just as in English:

''können'' = to be able to 
''dürfen'' = to be allowed to 
''müssen'' = must 
''sollen'' = should

While German has two forms of the past tense which are constructed like the English past simple and perfect, they are used for different reasons. Generally speaking, the two types of past in German have the same meaning, but the simple past is used for writing and the perfect for speaking. The past participles for many irregular verbs follow similar vowel transformations as in English:

English: I sing. I sang. I have sung. 
German: Ich singe. Ich sang. Ich habe gesungen.

Many of the most important verb forms in German have irregular verb forms, so it is necessary to learn all three forms when one learns a verb.

===Word order===
German word order in complex sentences is based on a so-called "bracket construction," with the most important parts being close to the beginning and at the end. In sentences with more than one verb, the remaining verb or verbs go at the very end:

''Ich habe ihr das Buch in der Schule gegeben.'' (I gave her the book at school.)

In the example above, the verb ''haben'' is conjugated in the first person singular and placed just after the subject, and the past participle of ''geben'' (to give) is placed at the end of the sentence. The sentence also contains a direct object (das Buch = the book), an indirect object (ihr = her), and a place indicator (in der Schule = at school).

Word order other than this bracket construction is somewhat flexible. For example, the following sentences have the same meaning:

''Das Buch habe ich ihr in der Schule gegeben.'' 
''In der Schule habe ich ihr das Buch gegeben.''

This bracket construction is a defining characteristic of German word order. It is also used with modal verbs and with the future tense:

''Ich kann ihn überhaupt nicht verstehen.'' (I can't understand him at all.) 
''Sie wird vielleicht morgen in die Oper gehen wollen.'' (She'll probably want to go to the opera tomorrow.)

Notice that however the constituent parts are arranged, the main verb always is placed in the second position, and the remaining verbs are placed at the end.

This structure also holds true for the so-called "separable verbs." An example of this is the verb ''abgeben'', which means to "give up." When it is the only verb appearing in the sentence, the prefix "ab" is separated from the rest of the verb, which is conjugated and placed in the second position, and the prefix is placed at the end of the sentence:

''Ich gebe jetzt ab.'' (I'm giving up now.)

German has many such verbs, which are always constructed from a definable preposition and a main verb. However, when using the past tense, future tense, or a modal verb, these separable verbs appear at the end of the sentence in the appropriate form:

''Er wird irgendwann abgeben müssen.'' (He'll have to give up sometime.)

==Bibliography==
Martin Durrell, Katrin Kohl, Gudrun Loftus, ''Essential German Grammar'', 2002. 
Christian Stief and Christian Stang, ''Langenscheidt German Grammar in a Nutshell'', 2002.

==References==
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[[Category:Germanic languages]]

German language

2012-08-27T11:59:50Z

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'''German''' (''Deutsch'') is a major world language, spoken by some 120 million people worldwide. The German vocabulary is closely related to [[English]] and [[Dutch]], and all three use the [[Latin alphabet]] in writing. German is widely spoken in [[Germany]], [[Austria]], [[Liechtenstein]], [[Luxembourg]], and [[Switzerland]].<ref>[http://www.ethnologue.org/show_language.asp?code=deu Ethnologue:German]</ref> Liechtenstein is the only state that has German as its only official language.

==German Alphabet==
The German alphabet consists of every letter in the English alphabet, with additional letters. German makes use of the letter ß, called the ''scharfes S'' ("sharp s"), which is a ligature of the letter "s" and "z" from cursive scripts. It is used for occurrences of the ''voiceless alveolar fricative'', the sound of the "s" in the English word "sea", after long vowels and diphthongs, for which German otherwise uses "s" or "ss". This to avoid confusion with the ''voiced alveolar fricative'', the sound of "z" in the English word "zoo", for which German always uses the letter "s". It is sometimes called the by the German pronunciation of "sz," however, if the letter is not available it has to be replaced by the letters "ss", and not by "sz". In Switzerland and Liechtenstein this letter is generally omitted in favor of "ss". The other additional letter are the three vowels ''ä'', ''ö'' and ''ü'', also known in English as Umlauts. If not present on a keyboard they customarily are substituted by ''ae'', ''oe'', and ''ue''.

==History==

The modern German language is descended from the language known as Proto-Germanic, which is believed to have been spoken in central and northern Europe during the first millennium BC. Proto-Germanic was eventually divided into several different but similar languages, specifically East Germanic, West Germanic and North Germanic. Gothic is the only known East Germanic language, while North Germanic evolved into the modern Scandinavian languages.

Generally, the later development of the West Germanic language can be divided in two distinct lines of descent: Upper German, spoken in Central and Southern Germany, and Low German, spoken in Northern Germany. "Low" and "Upper" are geographic terms, referring to the lowlands of Northern Germany and the more mountainous areas of Southern Germany, respectively.

The term "High German" refers to the standardized version of German that derives mostly from Upper and Central German dialects. It evolved through Old High German (c. 200-1000 AD), Middle High German (c. 1000-1500 AD), Early New High German (c. 1500-1700) and finally to the present New High German, which is the standard modern German language. Low German went through a similar development, starting with Old Saxon and similar languages, through Middle Low German into the modern Low German, which is in linguistics often referred to a Low Saxon. It was the standard language of the Hanseatic league, but was superseded as standard language in North Germany when High German was accepted as official language in Prussia. Due to the influence of Prussia as political power, and later Hamburg as media center, a more Northern German pronunciation has been adopted as standard pronunciation in television and radio. It is said that the best High German is spoken in Hanover, while the traditional dialect of the Hanover area is a dialect of Low German.

== German Dialects ==
Dialects of Low German or Low Saxon spoken in the North of Germany are Westphalian, Eastphalian, East-Frisian, North Low Saxon, Sleswickian, and Holastian, and Pommerian, Margravian. The Low Saxon dialects spoken in the east of the Netherlands are often included as East Dutch Low Saxon. One might encounter also ''Missingisch'', a Low Saxon - High German pidgin. In modern times however standard New High German with a Northern accent has become the norm for spoken language in the North of Germany.

The dialects of German are classified as central and upper German. Central German dialects are Ripuarian, Central Franconian, Rhine Francoinian, Hessian, Thurinigian, Saxonian, and Berlinerish. Luxemburgish is often included as a Moselle Franconian dialect. Upper German dialects spoken in the South of the German speaking area, which includes Bavaria, Austria, Liechtenstein and northern areas of Italy, the northern part of Switzerland, and eastern parts of France are Bavarian, East and South Franconian, Swabian, Allemanic, and Alsatian.

Official Minority languages in Germany are [[Frisian]], a west germanic language, [[Sorbian]], a slavic language, and [[Danish]].

==Grammar==
German has a great deal of inflection compared to English, including three genders of nouns (plus the plural), and four cases. Adjectives are also given endings based on their gender and case. The plural forms of nouns follow complex patterns that are difficult for a non-native speaker to master. The system of auxiliary verbs for various tenses works similarly to English. Word order has some definite differences compared to English, but also has greater flexibility in several aspects.

===Noun inflection===
German nouns can have one of three genders: masculine, feminine, or neutral. The definite articles in the nominative case are as follows:

*'''Der''' Hund (Nouns are always capitalized in German.) = The dog
*'''Die''' Ente = The duck
*'''Das''' Schwein = The pig

These three genders collapse into a single plural form, using the definite article '''die''', as in

'''Die''' Schweine = The Pigs

Indefinite articles are represented by only two types in the nominative case, ''ein'' and ''eine'':

*'''Ein''' Hund = A dog
*'''Eine''' Ente = A duck
*'''Ein''' Schwein = A pig

As in English, there is no indefinite article for plural nouns.

===The four cases===
In German, four cases are used, known as the ''nominative'', the ''accusative'', the ''dative'', and the ''genitive''. Nominative is the case which is used in the subject of sentences, or to say A=B. Accusative indicates a direct object relationship, as in "I bought '''the book'''." The dative case shows an indirect object relationship, as in "I gave '''you''' the book." The genitive case has slowly fallen into disuse, but indicates possession; this usage is often replaced by the dative in most cases.

The definite and indefinite articles change according to the case:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Definite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| '''der''' Hund
| '''den''' Hund
| '''dem''' Hund
| '''des''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| '''die''' Ente
| '''die''' Ente
| '''der''' Ente
| '''der''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| '''das''' Schwein
| '''das''' Schwein
| '''dem''' Schwein
| '''des''' Schwein'''s'''*
|-
! Plural
| '''die''' Schweine
| '''die''' Schweine
| '''den''' Schweine'''n'''*
| '''der''' Schweine
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Indefinite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| ein Hund
| ein'''en''' Hund
| ein'''em''' Hund
| ein'''es''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| ein'''e''' Ente
| ein'''e''' Ente
| ein'''er''' Ente
| ein'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| ein Schwein
| ein Schwein
| ein'''em''' Schwein
| ein'''es''' Schwein'''s'''*
|}
<nowiki>*With the genitive case, masculine and neutral nouns take the "s" or "es" ending, while the plural form of masculine and neutral nouns take the "n" ending in dative.</nowiki>

Any other articles take endings by gender and case according to one of these two models. Other examples of article types include possessive (mein Hund = my dog) negative (kein Schwein = no pig), and "this one" (diese Ente = this duck).

===Adjective declension===
When adjectives appear modifying a noun, their ending must agree with both the case and gender of the noun. These endings follow separate rules from those of the definite and indefinite articles, making this extremely difficult for the non-native speaker.

The endings with a definite article always take either an "e" or "en" as ending:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| der schwarz'''e''' Hund
| den schwarz'''en''' Hund
| dem schwarz'''en''' Hund
| des schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| die gelb'''e''' Ente
| die gelb'''e''' Ente
| der gelb'''en''' Ente
| der gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| dem schlau'''en''' Schwein
| des schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| den schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| der schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}
(schwarz = black, gelb = yellow, schlau = clever)

So-called "strong" declension occurs when there is no article, or when the determiner has no gender (as in "some" or "many"). In strong declension, the ending of the adjective takes on the ending of the definite article:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| schwarz'''er''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund
| schwarz'''em''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''em''' Schwein
| schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| schlau'''er''' Schweine
|}

So-called "mixed declension" is used with indefinite articles and possessive articles. Both the article and the adjective take an ending, but the masculine and neutral forms change in the nominative case to carry the "lost" ending caused by the use of an indefinite determiner:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| mein schwarz'''er''' Hund
| mein'''en''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''em''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''es''' schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein'''em''' schlau'''en''' Schwein
| mein'''es''' schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''en''' schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| mein'''er''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}

===Plural forms===
In contrast to English's simple addition of "s" to make a noun plural, German plural forms use several different inflections depending on the word. They fall into seven types:

;1. No change
:der '''Zimmer''' (room) → die '''Zimmer'''
;2. No ending, with Umlaut
:der Apfel (apple) → die '''Ä'''pfel
;3. Add -e
:das Ziel (goal) → die Ziel'''e'''
;4. Add -e, with Umlaut
:der Tanz (dance) → die T'''ä'''nz'''e'''
;5. Add -er, with Umlaut
:das Glas (glass) → die Gl'''ä'''s'''er'''
;6. Add -n or -en
:die Frau (woman) → die Frau'''en'''
;7. Add -s
:das Tabu (taboo) → die Tabu'''s'''

There is no logical formula to determine which plural form a given noun will take, so the plural form must also be learned as one learns a new noun.

===Auxiliary verbs===
Just as in English, the German language uses helping verbs for most of its tenses. When this occurs, it is the helping verb which is conjugated. The perfect tense exists in German, which uses either the verb ''haben'' (to have) or ''sein'' (to be) together with a past participle. The future tense also uses a helping verb, ''werden'', which is also used for the passive voice (i.e. The lawn is watered daily.). German also uses modal verbs just as in English:

''können'' = to be able to 
''dürfen'' = to be allowed to 
''müssen'' = must 
''sollen'' = should

While German has two forms of the past tense which are constructed like the English past simple and perfect, they are used for different reasons. Generally speaking, the two types of past in German have the same meaning, but the simple past is used for writing and the perfect for speaking. The past participles for many irregular verbs follow similar vowel transformations as in English:

English: I sing. I sang. I have sung. 
German: Ich singe. Ich sang. Ich habe gesungen.

Many of the most important verb forms in German have irregular verb forms, so it is necessary to learn all three forms when one learns a verb.

===Word order===
German word order in complex sentences is based on a so-called "bracket construction," with the most important parts being close to the beginning and at the end. In sentences with more than one verb, the remaining verb or verbs go at the very end:

''Ich habe ihr das Buch in der Schule gegeben.'' (I gave her the book at school.)

In the example above, the verb ''haben'' is conjugated in the first person singular and placed just after the subject, and the past participle of ''geben'' (to give) is placed at the end of the sentence. The sentence also contains a direct object (das Buch = the book), an indirect object (ihr = her), and a place indicator (in der Schule = at school).

Word order other than this bracket construction is somewhat flexible. For example, the following sentences have the same meaning:

''Das Buch habe ich ihr in der Schule gegeben.'' 
''In der Schule habe ich ihr das Buch gegeben.''

This bracket construction is a defining characteristic of German word order. It is also used with modal verbs and with the future tense:

''Ich kann ihn überhaupt nicht verstehen.'' (I can't understand him at all.) 
''Sie wird vielleicht morgen in die Oper gehen wollen.'' (She'll probably want to go to the opera tomorrow.)

Notice that however the constituent parts are arranged, the main verb always is placed in the second position, and the remaining verbs are placed at the end.

This structure also holds true for the so-called "separable verbs." An example of this is the verb ''abgeben'', which means to "give up." When it is the only verb appearing in the sentence, the prefix "ab" is separated from the rest of the verb, which is conjugated and placed in the second position, and the prefix is placed at the end of the sentence:

''Ich gebe jetzt ab.'' (I'm giving up now.)

German has many such verbs, which are always constructed from a definable preposition and a main verb. However, when using the past tense, future tense, or a modal verb, these separable verbs appear at the end of the sentence in the appropriate form:

''Er wird irgendwann abgeben müssen.'' (He'll have to give up sometime.)

==Bibliography==
Martin Durrell, Katrin Kohl, Gudrun Loftus, ''Essential German Grammar'', 2002. 
Christian Stief and Christian Stang, ''Langenscheidt German Grammar in a Nutshell'', 2002.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Germanic languages]]

German language

2012-08-27T11:56:09Z

Baobab: typos

'''German''' (''Deutsch'') is a major world language, spoken by some 120 million people worldwide. The German vocabulary is closely related to [[English]] and [[Dutch]], and all three use the [[Latin alphabet]] in writing. German is widely spoken in [[Germany]], [[Austria]], [[Liechtenstein]], [[Luxembourg]], and [[Switzerland]].<ref>[http://www.ethnologue.org/show_language.asp?code=deu Ethnologue:German]</ref> Liechtenstein is the only state that has German as its only official language.

==German Alphabet==
The German alphabet consists of every letter in the English alphabet, with additional letters. German makes use of the letter ß, called the ''scharfes S'' ("sharp s"), which is a ligature of the letter "s" and "z" from cursive scripts. It is used for occurrences of the ''voiceless alveolar fricative'', the sound of the "s" in the English word "sea", after long vowels and diphthongs, for which German otherwise uses "s" or "ss". This to avoid confusion with the ''voiced alveolar fricative'', the sound of "z" in the English word "zoo", for which German always uses the letter "s". It is sometimes called the by the German pronunciation of "sz," however, if the letter is not available it has to be replaced by the letters "ss", and not by "sz". In Switzerland and Liechtenstein this letter is generally omitted in favor of "ss". The other additional letter are the three vowels ''ä'', ''ö'' and ''ü'', also known in English as Umlauts. If not present on a keyboard they customarily are substituted by ''ae'', ''oe'', and ''ue''.

==History==

The modern German language is descended from the language known as Proto-Germanic, which is believed to have been spoken in central and northern Europe during the first millennium BC. Proto-Germanic was eventually divided into several different but similar languages, specifically East Germanic, West Germanic and North Germanic. Gothic is the only known East Germanic language, while North Germanic evolved into the modern Scandinavian languages.

Generally, the later development of the West Germanic language can be divided in two distinct lines of descent: Upper German, spoken in Central and Southern Germany, and Low German, spoken in Northern Germany. "Low" and "Upper" are geographic terms, referring to the lowlands of Northern Germany and the more mountainous areas of Southern Germany, respectively.

The term "High German" refers to the standardized version of German that derives mostly from Upper and Central German dialects. It evolved through Old High German (c. 200-1000 AD), Middle High German (c. 1000-1500 AD), Early New High German (c. 1500-1700) and finally to the present New High German, which is the standard modern German language. Low German went through a similar development, starting with Old Saxon and similar languages, through Middle Low German into the modern Low German, which is in linguistics often referred to a Low Saxon. It was the standard language of the Hanseatic league, but was superseded as standard language in North Germany when High German was accepted as official language in Prussia. Due to the influence of Prussia as political power, and later Hamburg as media center, a more Northern German pronunciation has been adopted as standard pronunciation in television and radio. It is said that the best High German is spoken in Hanover, while the traditional dialect of the Hanover area is a dialect of Low German.

== German Dialects ==
Dialects of Low German or Low Saxon spoken in the North of Germany are Westphalian, Eastphalian, East-Frisian, North Low Saxon, Sleswickian, and Holastian, and Pommerian, Margravian. The Low Saxon dialects spoken in the east of the Netherlands are often included as East Dutch Low Saxon. One might encounter also ''Missingisch'', a Low Saxon - High German pidgin. In modern times however standard New High German with a Northern accent has become the norm for spoken language in the North of Germany.

The dialects of German are classified as central and upper German. Central German dialects are Ripuarian, Central Franconian, Rhine Francoinian, Hessian, Thurinigian, Saxonian, and Berlinerish. Luxemburgish is often included as a Moselle Franconian dialect. Upper German dialects spoken in the South of the German speaking area, which includes Bavaria, Austria, Liechtenstein and northern areas of Italy, the northern part of Switzerland, and eastern parts of France are Bavarian, East and South Franconian, Swabian, Allemanic, and Alsatian.

Official Minority languages in Germany are [[Frisian]], a west germanic language, [[Sorbian]], a slavic language, and [[Danish]].

==Grammar==
German has a great deal of inflection compared to English, including three genders of nouns (plus the plural), and four cases. Adjectives are also given endings based on their gender and case. The plural forms of nouns follow complex patterns that are difficult for a non-native speaker to master. The system of auxiliary verbs for various tenses works similarly to English. Word order has some definite differences compared to English, but also has greater flexibility in several aspects.

===Noun inflection===
German nouns can have one of three genders: masculine, feminine, or neutral. The definite articles in the nominative case are as follows:

*'''Der''' Hund (Nouns are always capitalized in German.) = The dog
*'''Die''' Ente = The duck
*'''Das''' Schwein = The pig

These three genders collapse into a single plural form, using the definite article '''die''', as in

'''Die''' Schweine = The Pigs

Indefinite articles are represented by only two types in the nominative case, ''ein'' and ''eine'':

*'''Ein''' Hund = A dog
*'''Eine''' Ente = A duck
*'''Ein''' Schwein = A pig

As in English, there is no indefinite article for plural nouns.

===The four cases===
In German, four cases are used, known as the ''nominative'', the ''accusative'', the ''dative'', and the ''genitive''. Nominative is the case which is used in the subject of sentences, or to say A=B. Accusative indicates a direct object relationship, as in "I bought '''the book'''." The dative case shows an indirect object relationship, as in "I gave '''you''' the book." The genitive case has slowly fallen into disuse, but indicates possession; this usage is often replaced by the dative in most cases.

The definite and indefinite articles change according to the case:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Definite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| '''Der''' Hund
| '''Den''' Hund
| '''Dem''' Hund
| '''Des''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| '''Die''' Ente
| '''Die''' Ente
| '''Der''' Ente
| '''Der''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| '''Das''' Schwein
| '''Das''' Schwein
| '''Dem''' Schwein
| '''Des''' Schwein'''s'''*
|-
! Plural
| '''Die''' Schweine
| '''Die''' Schweine
| '''Den''' Schweine'''n'''*
| '''Der''' Schweine
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Indefinite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| Ein Hund
| Ein'''en''' Hund
| Ein'''em''' Hund
| Ein'''es''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| Ein'''e''' Ente
| Ein'''e''' Ente
| Ein'''er''' Ente
| Ein'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| Ein Schwein
| Ein Schwein
| Ein'''em''' Schwein
| Ein'''es''' Schwein'''s'''*
|}
<nowiki>*With the genitive case, masculine and neutral nouns take the "s" or "es" ending, while the plural form of masculine and neutral nouns take the "n" ending in dative.</nowiki>

Any other articles take endings by gender and case according to one of these two models. Other examples of article types include possessive (mein Hund = my dog) negative (kein Schwein = no pig), and "this one" (diese Ente = this duck).

===Adjective declension===
When adjectives appear modifying a noun, their ending must agree with both the case and gender of the noun. These endings follow separate rules from those of the definite and indefinite articles, making this extremely difficult for the non-native speaker.

The endings with a definite article always take either an "e" or "en" as ending:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| Der schwarz'''e''' Hund
| Den schwarz'''en''' Hund
| Dem schwarz'''en''' Hund
| Des schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| Die gelb'''e''' Ente
| Die gelb'''e''' Ente
| Der gelb'''en''' Ente
| Der gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| Das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| Das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| Dem schlau'''en''' Schwein
| Des schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| Die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| Die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| Den schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| Der schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}
(schwarz = black, gelb = yellow, schlau = clever)

So-called "strong" declension occurs when there is no article, or when the determiner has no gender (as in "some" or "many"). In strong declension, the ending of the adjective takes on the ending of the definite article:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| schwarz'''er''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund
| schwarz'''em''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''em''' Schwein
| schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| schlau'''er''' Schweine
|}

So-called "mixed declension" is used with indefinite articles and possessive articles. Both the article and the adjective take an ending, but the masculine and neutral forms change in the nominative case to carry the "lost" ending caused by the use of an indefinite determiner:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| mein schwarz'''er''' Hund
| mein'''en''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''em''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''es''' schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein'''em''' schlau'''en''' Schwein
| mein'''es''' schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''en''' schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| mein'''er''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}

===Plural forms===
In contrast to English's simple addition of "s" to make a noun plural, German plural forms use several different inflections depending on the word. They fall into seven types:

;1. No change
:der '''Zimmer''' (room) → die '''Zimmer'''
;2. No ending, with Umlaut
:der Apfel (apple) → die '''Ä'''pfel
;3. Add -e
:das Ziel (goal) → die Ziel'''e'''
;4. Add -e, with Umlaut
:der Tanz (dance) → die T'''ä'''nz'''e'''
;5. Add -er, with Umlaut
:das Glas (glass) → die Gl'''ä'''s'''er'''
;6. Add -n or -en
:die Frau (woman) → die Frau'''en'''
;7. Add -s
:das Tabu (taboo) → die Tabu'''s'''

There is no logical formula to determine which plural form a given noun will take, so the plural form must also be learned as one learns a new noun.

===Auxiliary verbs===
Just as in English, the German language uses helping verbs for most of its tenses. When this occurs, it is the helping verb which is conjugated. The perfect tense exists in German, which uses either the verb ''haben'' (to have) or ''sein'' (to be) together with a past participle. The future tense also uses a helping verb, ''werden'', which is also used for the passive voice (i.e. The lawn is watered daily.). German also uses modal verbs just as in English:

''können'' = to be able to 
''dürfen'' = to be allowed to 
''müssen'' = must 
''sollen'' = should

While German has two forms of the past tense which are constructed like the English past simple and perfect, they are used for different reasons. Generally speaking, the two types of past in German have the same meaning, but the simple past is used for writing and the perfect for speaking. The past participles for many irregular verbs follow similar vowel transformations as in English:

English: I sing. I sang. I have sung. 
German: Ich singe. Ich sang. Ich habe gesungen.

Many of the most important verb forms in German have irregular verb forms, so it is necessary to learn all three forms when one learns a verb.

===Word order===
German word order in complex sentences is based on a so-called "bracket construction," with the most important parts being close to the beginning and at the end. In sentences with more than one verb, the remaining verb or verbs go at the very end:

''Ich habe ihr das Buch in der Schule gegeben.'' (I gave her the book at school.)

In the example above, the verb ''haben'' is conjugated in the first person singular and placed just after the subject, and the past participle of ''geben'' (to give) is placed at the end of the sentence. The sentence also contains a direct object (das Buch = the book), an indirect object (ihr = her), and a place indicator (in der Schule = at school).

Word order other than this bracket construction is somewhat flexible. For example, the following sentences have the same meaning:

''Das Buch habe ich ihr in der Schule gegeben.'' 
''In der Schule habe ich ihr das Buch gegeben.''

This bracket construction is a defining characteristic of German word order. It is also used with modal verbs and with the future tense:

''Ich kann ihn überhaupt nicht verstehen.'' (I can't understand him at all.) 
''Sie wird vielleicht morgen in die Oper gehen wollen.'' (She'll probably want to go to the opera tomorrow.)

Notice that however the constituent parts are arranged, the main verb always is placed in the second position, and the remaining verbs are placed at the end.

This structure also holds true for the so-called "separable verbs." An example of this is the verb ''abgeben'', which means to "give up." When it is the only verb appearing in the sentence, the prefix "ab" is separated from the rest of the verb, which is conjugated and placed in the second position, and the prefix is placed at the end of the sentence:

''Ich gebe jetzt ab.'' (I'm giving up now.)

German has many such verbs, which are always constructed from a definable preposition and a main verb. However, when using the past tense, future tense, or a modal verb, these separable verbs appear at the end of the sentence in the appropriate form:

''Er wird irgendwann abgeben müssen.'' (He'll have to give up sometime.)

==Bibliography==
Martin Durrell, Katrin Kohl, Gudrun Loftus, ''Essential German Grammar'', 2002. 
Christian Stief and Christian Stang, ''Langenscheidt German Grammar in a Nutshell'', 2002.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Germanic languages]]

Talk:Essay:Worst Liberal TV Shows

2012-08-17T12:38:10Z

Baobab: /* "Essay"? */

I think each entry should have a brief description what makes the show liberal and what makes it particularly egregious. --[[User:JoshuaB|JoshuaB]] 18:14, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
:I agree. Each entry does need an explanation of why it is liberal.--[[User:GOPFan2011|GOPFan2011]] 22:26, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
:::I agree also. And the page should be renamed "'''Most''' Liberal TV Shows". Some are good shows, even if one disagrees with their alleged liberal-ness. [[User:CasparRH|CasparRH]] 15:36, 8 August 2012 (EDT)

Funny, what about [[Doctor Who]]? Jk, this whole essay is bunk. you could say the same about almost everything.[[User:Brenden|brenden]] 13:39, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

== Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert ==

How are they particularly liberal? Yes, they mock conservative politicians, but they mock liberal politicians too. That's why they're parodies of political talk shows. And didn't Colbert support Cain in the election until he dropped out? Stewart's a liberal, but that doesn't make his show liberally-biased. As long as they parody conservative and liberal politicians equally, I don't think they belong here. Otherwise, we would have to include SNL and virtually every single late-night comedy show. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 18:03, 14 May 2012 (EDT)

== "Essay"? ==

All I see is a list. Where is the essay? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 16:49, 16 August 2012 (EDT)
:It's listed as an essay because it is just a list, and not an article. Some people are very, very fond of lists. [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 17:25, 16 August 2012 (EDT)
::So if I understand correctly on Conservapedia every text that doesn't constitute a proper article is classified as an essay? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 08:38, 17 August 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Essay:Worst Liberal TV Shows

2012-08-16T20:49:45Z

Baobab: /* "Essay"? */ new section

Talk:2012 Summer Olympics

2012-08-14T06:21:57Z

Baobab: /* Will countries that have implemented same-sex marriage underperform? */

== "1 Nations That Impose Same-sex marriage/ 2 Nations that are increasingly atheistic/ 3 Sports that have been ravaged by feminist Title IX in the U.S." ==

Nice. Great way to cover all your bases. When the US does well, you can crow about the same-sex marriage and the atheism. When the US doesn't do well, you can pile on Title IX and the feminists. Win-Win. [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 10:52, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
:Also, it's curious that you are focused on reasons for failure, not reasons for success. Why not divide up the matrix by, say, "Countries with a record of supporting young athletes"/"Countries with a strong cultural tradition of teamwork" or "Countries with a strong tradition of individual accomplishment"/"Countries where fitness is held as an important value"? [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 11:06, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

::Category 3 is sports-specific in the [[U.S.]], so there is no contradiction with categories 1 and 2, which are nation-specific.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:54, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
:::Which is exactly why your matrix allows you to frame both US victories and US defeats in terms of your political agenda. It's an awesome rhetorical move. But I'm still curious as to why you are more focused on reasons for failure than on reasons for success. [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 12:15, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

::::There is nothing "rhetorical" about this. Ideologies obviously have consequences, and this is a prediction of those consequences beforehand, with an evaluation as the results occur. Surely we shouldn't pretend that every contestant is a winner, and every ideology is a winner too? (Except, of course, [[Christianity]], which [[liberals]] never want to credit).--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:22, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
::::::Of course it's a rhetorical move--you are narrowing your analysis to focus on the political points that you are most interested in. Of course we shouldn't pretend that every contestant is a winner, so why not focus on reasons why people win, as opposed to why they lose--and surely Christianity is not the only reason, otherwise Jews, Muslims, atheists, Shintoists, Mormons, Moonies, Buddhists etc would never win any medals. It would be worthwhile to account for non-divine, or at least non-Christian reasons for success. Your focus on failure is really disheartening. Do you enjoy pointing out other's shortcomings, or are you projecting? [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 12:29, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

:::::::I'm fine with focusing on the winners - a entire entry called [[Greatest Conesrvative Sports Stars]] has been doing that for months. If you'd like to add a section to [[Olympics 2012]] that focuses on winners, that would be welcome. In fact, I'll start it for you now.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:46, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::::Again, a great rhetorical move on your part--what about the non-conservative winners? If they're not conservative, they can't be winners. If they're winners, they must be conservative. If Tim Thomas doesn't lead the Boston Bruins to another Stanley Cup, hockey falls off the front page of the website; if the Miami Heat win, it's because they were somehow "taught a lesson" by a team they went on to beat soundly. Well played, sir. Well played. [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 12:52, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

::::::::::::Your objection reminds me of the editor who thought it significant that [[Tim Tebow]], after winning a spectacular upset in the first game of last year's [[NFL]] playoffs, then lost in the second round to a much stronger team. My response then is similar to now: people usually don't look for a miracle to occur ever single time.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:34, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

== Euro 2012 ==
Slightly off-topic, I admit, but I was wondering, whether Andy had any comments on the final of the European Cup final (soccer) that takes place tonight between Spain and Italy? Maybe even a prediction who might win? If you haven't followed the tournament so far, atheistic England went out in the quarter finals, while the liberal Netherlands didn't make it past the first round (same as catholic, pro-life Poland, incidentally). --[[User:FrederickT3|FrederickT3]] 13:31, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

:The [[Netherlands]] is a big [[same-sex marriage]] country, so no surprise there. Both [[Spain]] and [[Italy]] are very [[liberal]], so that's a tough choice. Poland was under communist martial law until about 20-25 years ago, so I don't think it's far to expect it to do as well.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:34, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
::So gay marriage, political culture, and form of government matter more that the relative skill of the players, their histories in recent match-ups, their style of play, the depth of their squads, coaching, or any other soccer-related questions? So when you sit down to watch a given sports contest, you analyze the game through the lens of politics and religion, and not through the lenses of ability, strategy, or any other sports-related concept. Amazing. Absolutely amazing. [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 15:06, 1 July 2012 (EDT)

:::Deny it all you like, but ideologies do have consequences. Show me a sports team of atheists and I'll show you a team that's not going to win the championship.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:20, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::So all of those Soviet medal wins in the Olympics, or in international hockey, all of the medal wins by Chinese teams--they were all believers of one sort or another? [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 15:26, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
Also, if Spain and Italy are both "very liberal", that means a liberal team is guaranteed to win the championship. Guess it pays to be "very liberal!" [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 15:30, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
::::: Meh.... In the first Euro championship (1960), the USSR, Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia finished 1-2-3 respectively. All were communist. At least two communist nations made the semifinals for each of the next 3 Euros. In 1980, the Czechoslovakians finished third. In 1984, no Communist nations finished in the Top 4, but that was the only time that happened. The Soviets came in second in 1988, and then the communists fell. Since then (6 Euros), the Czechs have two Top 4 apppearances, the Russians have one, and other communist nations or their successor states have none. Of course, this is misleading because a combined Yugoslavia team consisting of the Serbian, Montenegrin, Croatian, etc. teams might have done well, and of those nations, only Croatia qualified and they did fairly well considering they were in a group with Italy and Spain. Most of the Yugoslavian players were Serbian, and most of the Soviet players were Russian. So it appears Serbia and Russia suffered. But Croatia and Montenegro have done well since independence (and a unified Serbia and Montenegro team qualified for the World Cup in 2006, but was placed in the group of death and eliminated in the first round. It also didn't help that the World Cup was held after the two nations separated). Also, Bosnia and Herzigovina has improved, coming within a playoff against Portugal of qualifying for both the World Cup and Euro, but they lost both.
Additionally, Ukraine has improved significantly since the USSR breakup. Although they only qualified this year because they were hosts, they qualified for the World Cup in 2006 and almost again in 2010. Latvia qualified for Euro 2004, even though there were pretty much no Latvian Soviet soccer players. Estonia also came within a playoff of qualifying for Euro this year, a marked improvement over their Soviet days, but lost. Same with Bosnia-Herzigovinia and Montenegro. Additionally, either Slovakia or the Czech Republic has qualified almost always for the World Cup and Euro, and a combined team would likely have done better. In team sports, it is hard to compare stats from before and after, because while the USSR may have done better than any of the new nations, we don't know how the new nations would do if they competed together as they did when they were the USSR. Andre Szevchenko is one of the best players in Europe for Ukraine, but he doesn't have much support. If he had the support of Russian players, Estonian players, and Latvian players on his team, then that team would probably have done better. The same could be said of a combined team for Czech Republic and Slovakia.
As an example of the opposite, the new German team has done far better than the old East German team, including some players from Berlin who would have competed for East Gemrany 25 years ago. Their performance is slightly better than the West German performance, although this is probably just because they have more people now, since they were both capitalist.
Also, Germany is the only country in the Netherlands' group that does not have same-sex marriage (Portugal and Denmark also do). At least one of them by rule HAD to advance (Portugal did), but it was the Germans who won the group with a perfect record. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 05:20, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

== Evidence that Christianity increases a countries Olympic medals while atheism and liberalism reduce gold medals won ==

Andy, although it is true that Communist/authoritarian countries have gone out of their way in the past to pour money in the Olympic gold winning efforts (Soviet Union)[http://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1004&context=econ_honproj&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dgdp%2520population%2520freedom%2520and%2520olympic%2520medals%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CEoQFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.iwu.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1004%2526context%253Decon_honproj%26ei%3DbsLwT5fpO-Hq0gHpidj6Ag%26usg%3DAFQjCNGA2tePIDTqdOmM8p42uwGhpzkVhA#search=%22gdp%20population%20freedom%20olympic%20medals%22], it is also true that a higher population size and a higher GDP positively affect the number of gold medals that a country wins.[http://mba.tuck.dartmouth.edu/pages/faculty/andrew.bernard/olymp60restat_finaljournalversion.pdf]

Atheism reduces a countries population size while religiosity increases a countries birth rate: http://conservapedia.com/Decline_of_atheism#Decline_of_atheism_in_terms_of_global_adherents_is_expected_to_accelerate See also: [[Decline of atheism]]

In the journal article ''Religion, self-regulation, and self-control: Associations, explanations, and implications'' psychologists McCullough and Willoughby theorize that many of the positive links of religiousness with health and social behavior may be caused by religion's beneficial influences on self-control/self-regulation.[http://www.psy.miami.edu/faculty/mmccullough/Papers/Relig_self_control_bulletin.pdf][http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19210054] Athletes with more self-control have more mental toughness.[http://www.nmnathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8800&ATCLID=926652] Athletes with more mental toughness tend to perform at higher levels.[http://vimeo.com/23328555] See also: [[Psychology, obesity, religiosity and atheism]]

Also, all other things remaining equal, religion in the Western world tends to promote more self-discipline and healthier behaviors when it comes to mental and physical health: See: [[Atheism and health]] and [[Psychology, obesity, religiosity and atheism]] and [[Atheism and obesity]]

Also, while it is true that a country that is doing well can have "fat and sassy" atheists as a result. On the other hand, if there is religious freedom in a country a country can have high levels of religiosity even with high incomes such as the United States. See effects of prosperity on rates of atheism: http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Conservative/atheism-research#Effect_of_prosperity_on_rate_of_atheism

I am sure you can find data to support that capitalism causes a country to have higher incomes than socialism/liberalism over the long term.

Next, liberalism promotes abortion and small family sizes where conservative religion does not.

Summary: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLEAWsX0qk Jesus is the winnamon and Christians are on the winning side!] Christians are winners and atheists tend to lose again!

Go for the gold America! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! (where atheists are the least trusted group of individuals. See: [[Views on atheists]]) :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:07, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
=== No doubt Bible believers achieve more gold medals than atheists all other things being equal ===

In a study listed in Who's Who in Who's Who, it took 5,000 Presbyterian ministers to produce one child listed in Who's Who. Among lawyers the ratio was 5,000 to 1; dentists 2,500 to 1. But for every seven Christian missionary families from the United States, one of their children would be listed in Who's Who.[http://www.wentworthbaptist.ca/old/sermontexts/Leaving%20the%20past%20behind_Phil%203.1-14_071230.htm] See also: [[Atheism and depression]] and [[Atheism and health]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:33, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
::Do you have a link to that actual study? One in seven seems high. How big is this "Who's Who" list and how many missionary families are there in the USA?
::::Come on, everybody knows the formula to winning the gold. Preparation and conceive, believe and achieve! :) Doubters have a harder time believing than believers! Atheists are pessimists and have higher rates of depression. See: [[Atheism and depression]] and [[Atheism and suicide]]. Bible believers who are realists and optimists are more upbeat and win more gold medals. Plus, conservative Bible believing Protestants with the Protestant work ethic, are more able to outwork atheists and achieve more gold medals. Secular Europe is filled lazy doubters who love socialism. Lazy people are less likely to win gold medals. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:08, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
::::::yeah, that's good, really I just want to see how the study explains it
::::::::We know that per capita GDP increases Olympic medals. Therefore, when the shortsighted measures holding together the [http://www.care2.com/causes/euro-zone-crisis-banks-lower-rates-but-confidence-stays-low.html troubled Eurozone economy] stop working, they will win less gold medals than countries which were more prudent. The lazy secular Europeans should have listened to the Bible about hard work and not getting heavy into debt. The gold medal counts of secular Europe are going to be lower than they needed to be in 2016. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:24, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
http://www.gfmag.com/tools/global-database/economic-data/10394-public-debt-by-country.html#axzz1zqxAoMmm
:::::::::I think it is self explanatory that those who have faith will have the discipline and the belief to achieve something extraordinary--[[User:OconnorM|OconnorM]] 12:46, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
:::I do know that post 1950 the USA became more secular and United States became less financially prudent. Socialism and communism do not have great track records over the long term and atheists have tended to like these systems more. Countries which adopted a Protestant work ethic have benefited and even those with a legacy of a Protestant work ethic culture have benefited.[http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/oct/31/economics-religion-research] The Bible also mentions sharpening the axe (Ecclesiastes 10:10), good stewardship of resources and orderliness. [http://www.openbible.info/topics/orderliness] No doubt the legacy of Protestantism in the country of Germany (birth place of Protestantism), helped to create the efficiency and orderliness that their society is known for. Athletes who train more efficiently using the best methods and get better nutrition, gain more medals. See also: [[Christianity and science]]. Christianity has one of the highest rates of creationism in the world and despite Darwinist persecution of creationists and intelligent design proponents (see: [[Expelled]]) manages to be leader in technological innovation. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:48, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

== One fair way to analyze ==

In order to give a fair analysis, information needs to be compiled before the Games for the countries/sports listed for both pre/post same-sex marriage/girls playing sports and then add this year's results. As far as I can see, that would be the only way to objectively assess any trend regarding medals/performance. [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 10:14, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:It would still make no case for any causal relationship between same-sex marriage, atheism etc. and performance at the Olympics. [[User:CasparRH|CasparRH]] 19:54, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

== Baseball not an Olympic sport in 2012 ==

Baseball is removed from the list, because both baseball and softball have been dropped for the program for the 2012 Olympics. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/08/sports/08iht-oly.html?_r=1 [[User:MaartenG|MaartenG]] 11:43, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

== Baseball being removed from list ==

Maybe baseball (and softball) have been removed because they are not included in the 2012 Olympics. [http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/8504326/] "They'rrre out! Olympics drop baseball, softball: Sports eliminated for 2012 Games, but could win way back in 2016" AP, nbcsports.com, July 9, 2005, retrieved July 2, 2012. [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 11:43, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

:[[Baseball]] was dropped from the 2012 Olympics??? That's a disappointment! Is the sport considered too [[conservative]]?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:43, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
::If it is, why did [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_at_the_Summer_Olympics#Medal_table Cuba win most of the gold medals?] (And the most medals overall?) [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 15:47, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

== Same sex marriage and underachievement. ==

While a rationale is given for the relationship between atheism and underperformance, none is given for the relationship between same sex marriage and underperformance. Can somebody who understands the relationship please provide a rationale in the relevant section? Thanks. [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 12:25, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
::A factor in winning gold medals is the population size of a country. How does same sex marriage help increase the population size of a country? The Russians seem to think that it doesn't. Also, Olympic athletes have to be in top physical condition. See: [[Homosexuality and health]]. In addition, mental toughness is important in sports and "Nancy boys" lack this characteristic! Also, there is the issue of [[Homosexuality and obesity]]. If you could show us that the town of Ereses on the Greek Island of [[Lesbos]] has produced an inordinate amount of Olympic women gymnasts instead of higher incidence of obese lesbians, it would be greatly appreciated (See: [[Lesbianism and obesity]]).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:16, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:::I think the town is called Eresos (Greek: Ερεσός), no? --[[User:FrederickT3|FrederickT3]] 15:21, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::Thanks! Corrected. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:26, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

:::This isn't a good argument against same-sex marriage, you know. It's just not logical. If a marriage is for population growth, then why are marriages that can't/won't produce children permitted? My dad's on his second marriage since my mother passed away - no half-siblings yet. You need to think through your arguments. If these non-productive marriages ''are'' permitted, under what reason? Companionship? That can be applied to same-sex couples as well. Tax benefits? Ditto. The argument doesn't stand up very well.
:::Oh, and there you go - you just can't get away from negatively portraying fat people. [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 15:24, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
::::Why an ancient Greek myth should be applicable to today is something only you would know.
::::As for homosexuals at the Olympics - and "nancy boys" is a very derogatory term, much like using the n-word. One would think a site like this would be above that sort of thing, but obviously not - how about Mark Spitz (7 gold) and Greg Louganis (4 gold), who was also the the most outstanding amateur athlete in the United States in 1984.
::::Once again, your tired old arguments don't hold any water - obese people - gay or straight are hardly likely to be participating at the games, so trying to make a correlation between a country's political decisions and the performance of individual athletes is - quite frankly - stupid. But I have a feeling that you still can't grasp the idea. [[User:MaartenG|MaartenG]] 15:26, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::There's a legal precedent - "He Who Asserts Must Prove"... so, let's see your proof that a government passing same-sex marriage laws affects individual sportsmens' performance. Hint: the drivel you wrote above is not proof. [[User:MaartenG|MaartenG]] 15:34, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::Homosexuality related tourism occurs in this town today. Second, re: lower amount of mental toughness issue: [[Mental Health and Homosexuality]] Third, the birth rate of heterosexual marriages will always exceed homosexual "marriages" [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:37, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
::::::Your first point - totally not relevant. What the hell does tourism have to do with athletes at the Olympic Games? Second people - people who are not mentally tough - gay or straight wouldn't last at any level of competitive sport and thus wouldn't appear at the Games, so your point is invalid. Third point is equally invalid - birth rates have nothing to do with how individuals perform at the Games. Care to try again? [[User:MaartenG|MaartenG]] 15:40, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
It is relevant: Homosexuality related tourism occurs in the Greek town today. In 1976, Gwen J. Proude and Sarah J. Green published a study in the journal Ethnology which showed a positive correlation between cultures which accepted or ignored homosexuality in their cultures and cultures which were more likely to have homosexuality be more common. (see: [[Homosexuality]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:43, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
::Birth rates, already covered above: "A factor in winning gold medals is the population size of a country. How does same sex marriage help increase the population size of a country? The Russians seem to think that it doesn't." [[User:Conservative|Conservative]]
:::Nope. Still has absolutely no relevance to the performance of individual athletes at the Games. In fact, on rereading your reasons, you seem to be stuck on the thought that countries that allow same-sex marriage would only send gay athletes to the Games. That is bizarre.
:::Just how many people of the same gender do you think are going to be married? To say it'll affect a country's population growth is double bizarre. Japan's population growth is going backwards and they don't have same-sex marriage. [[User:MaartenG|MaartenG]] 15:49, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
Your [[last wordism]] isn't impressing anyone - especially since you conveniently ignored the [[Homosexuality and health]] issue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:08, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
[[File:Chuck norris.jpg|thumbnail|200px|right|It is no coincidence that the fit and healthy Bible believing martial artist [[Chuck Norris]] lives in the state of [[Texas]] and not the city of San Francisco! Chuck Norris is no "Nancy boy" and he is the embodiment of mental toughness. ]]
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:::: Wouldn't there be just as many homosexuals whether same-sex marriage is legal or not? Legalizing same-sex marriage wouldn't turn the existing athletes into homosexuals. So we're barking up the wrong tree here. Even if there were a correlation between homosexuality and athletic performance, it would have nothing to do with the legal status of same-sex marriage. Tim Tebow will be playing his home games in New York next year (ok, fine, New Jersey, but I'm a Jets fan and I consider them to be from New York). Same-sex marriage is legal in New York. It was not legal in Colorado or Florida. It is ridiculous to suggest that this would somehow hurt Tebow's performance. He will be just as faithful, Christian, and heterosexual as he ever was. Even if the NFL adds a franchise in atheistic London (as they are foolishly considering) and Tebow winds up there, nothing will change. Even if the Bills move to Toronto and Tebow plays for them, nothing will change. So supposing there is a correlation, we're looking for it in the wrong place, in my opinion. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 07:13, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::To be fair, legalization of homosexual relationships may be a proxy for a jurisdiction's attitudes for homosexuality. I don't think it's a very good proxy; it would probably be a better idea to examine sexual orientations of athletes themselves rather than attitudes about homosexuality held by residents the places they represent. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 12:13, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::: But it's not the ''attitudes'' of the athletes that [[User:Conservative]] says are relevant. It's the actual ''orientation'' of the athletes. He posted a number of references to homosexuality and health problems. Without commenting one way or the other on their merits, they only apply if the athlete himself is a homosexual. So I'm inclined to agree with GregG here. Perhaps Conservative's theory is right, but if it is, he's going about proving it the wrong way. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 14:08, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

=== Evidence pointing to same sex marriage acceptance negatively affecting Olympic medal counts ===

We know that bigger populations tend to gain more Olympic medals.[http://mba.tuck.dartmouth.edu/pages/faculty/andrew.bernard/olymp60restat_finaljournalversion.pdf] Show me that societies which accept homosexuality tend to have higher birth rates.

We know that atheists are more accepting of homosexuality and also more liberal (see: [[Atheism and morality]]). We know that liberals are more accepting of homosexuality. See: [[Views on Homosexuality]]. We also know atheists tend to have lower birth rates. See: [[Decline of atheism]]. My educated guess is that liberal countries have lower birth rates (abortion, birth control, etc.). [http://erlc.com/article/death-of-liberalism/] There is also evidence pointing to societies which accept homosexuality having more of it. In 1976, Gwen J. Proude and Sarah J. Green published a study in the journal Ethnology which showed a positive correlation between cultures which accepted or ignored homosexuality in their cultures and cultures which were more likely to have homosexuality be more common. (see: [[Homosexuality]]). My educated guess therefore is that societies accepting of same sex marriage have lower birth rates and achieve less medals as a result. I do understand that societies which have more material wealth can grow morally lax and thus more accepting of homosexuality and those societies tend to be more prone to falling (Roman Empire for example). Therefore, we should not confuse higher GDP per capita and achieving more medals and a societies acceptance of homosexuality.

Athletes with higher degrees of mental toughness achieve more. I would think that societies with higher degrees of mental toughness would have lower suicide rates. We know that atheists tend to be more accepting of homosexuality (plus more liberal) and they have higher suicide rates than the general population. See: [[Atheism and morality]] and [[Atheism and suicide]]. Also, compare the suicide rates of countries and their acceptance of homosexuality as a possible benchmark for the mental toughness of the societies. Of course, you would have to do statistical analysis to examine the relationship between societies accepting homosexuality and their suicide rates so you do not count other factors which cause suicides.

Alternatively, show me societies accepting of homosexuality tend to score high on mental toughness tests such as Peter Cough's test. Also, [http://psychology.about.com/library/quiz/bl_eq_quiz.htm Emotional intelligence (EQ) test] score and a person's [http://www.winstonbrill.com/bril001/html/article_index/articles/501-550/article517_body.html "Adversity quotient"] test score would be possible benchmarks as far as measuring mental toughness, but obviously the latter would be better. EQ is popular in management circles and perhaps different societies have been measured in terms of their EQ test scores. My guess is that perhaps EQ is only somewhat popular in the USA and Spain perhaps.[http://danielgoleman.info/2008/can-there-be-an-emotionally-intelligent-society/] With that being said, I think there is far more detailed information on suicide rates of countries and that is probably a better benchmark of mental toughness. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:13, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
:Canada's medal haul went UP by 50% after they allowed same-sex marriage. (12 in 2004, 18 in 2008) [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 08:54, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
::Anecdotal and too tied to them hosting the Olympics and starting a drive to win more gold. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:58, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
:::They didn't host the Olympics in 2008, and anyways, the medal drive was focused on the winter games, not the summer games. [[User:JeffreyB|JeffreyB]] 09:03, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
It takes time to develop winning programs and I am guessing they knew in advance they were going to host the Olympics. 09:13, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
:Caribbeans have low suicide rates.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate] They must be pretty mentally tough and not worry. :) Mental toughness increases performance. Hey mon, don't worry, be happy! Hey mon, I think I am going to kick back on a Caribbean beach and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTW0ifgY9zc&playnext=1&list=PLAA6853EB17004E8E listen to Caribbean music] while conservative, Bible believing families (which don't approve of homosexuality) keep winning more gold medals per family because they have more kids and have more mental toughness! :) And remember, conservative Bible believers with the Protestant work ethic, work harder to win gold medals than lazy, liberal, obese homosexuals with knee problems on welfare! See: [[Homosexuality and obesity]] and [[Lesbianism and obesity]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:54, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
:::HAHAHA they do talk funny
:::: That may be so, [[User:Conservative]], but you are still miscorrelating. A conservative Canadian family wouldn't be made liberal by the legalization of same-sex marriage. If anything, the decline in medals should come ''before'' the legalization of same sex-marriage, since liberalization would come ''before'' the legalization of same-sex marriage. So, perhaps a better study would be looking at a country's attitudes towards homosexuality over time (both before and after legalization of same-sex marriage) and try to correlate that. But I honestly doubt the actual act of legalizing same-sex marriage has a magic wand effect. Which is why the evidence shows you are wrong even though your logic may be perfectly correct. It's only your conclusion that's flawed. Liberalization and shift in views on homosexuality take time to occur. They don't happen overnight upon legalization of same-sex marriage. There would only be evidence of what you're saying if it was a magical overnight shift. And it's not. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 16:16, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

=== More evidence that homosexuality leads to lower medal counts and Bible believing enables more medals to be won ===

Homosexuals have higher suicide rates than the general population (see: [[Mental Health and Homosexuality]]). Historically, Christians have faced a lot of persecution, but they don't commit suicide. They know that God wants Christians to be strong and not commit suicide and the Bible has many verses about being courageous plus the Bible is against suicide. Bible believers are more mentally tough than homosexuals. Mental toughness increases athletic performance. Therefore, Bible believers, all other things remaining equal, are able to win more Olympic medals than homosexuals. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:52, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

=== Math'd -- Gay marriage ===

A subject about quantifying something?? I accept your challenge.

For the following, I am trying to determine the effect of pro-gay legislation on Olympic Medals. Since different countries have hugely different factors, I thought we could use the states of the USA to observe any effects (being labs of democracy, and all). What I did was find a list of all 2008 Olympic Medalists. Then, I got rid of any groups, leaving only individual medalists. Then, I mapped these medalists to their home state. Then, I figured out, based on population, how many medals each state should win out of the total USA medals. Then, I matched states with their same-sex marriage legislation (I assumed if same-sex couples could marry or engage in civil unions, this was a "Pro-Gay" state. No marriage or civil unions, an "Anti-Gay" state.) Then I summed up expected and actuals by these two categories. Here's what I got....

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! State Type
! Expected Medals
! Actual Medals
! Over/Under
|-
| Pro-Gay
| 29.8
| 45
| 15.2
|-
| Anti-Gay
| 42.2
| 27
| -15.2
|-
| Total
| 72.0
| 72
| 0
|}

If we look just at Gold Medals...

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! State Type
! Expected Golds
! Actual Golds
! Over/Under
|-
| Pro-Gay
| 8.3
| 14
| 5.7
|-
| Anti-Gay
| 11.7
| 6
| -5.7
|-
| Total
| 20.0
| 20
| 0
|}
(Please note that if a medalist is from another country, they were excluded. Same with two obscure athletes I couldn't find information on)

As you can see, "Pro-Gay" states outperform their expected total medal results by over 50%. Conversely, "Anti-Gay" states underperform by 36%.

The picture is more extreme only looking at Gold medals - "Pro-Gay" outperformes %69%, while "Anti-Gay' under perform by almost half.

In conclusion, do I think "imposing" gay marriage has anything to do with Olympic results? Probably not, since states, along any group of people in the Olympics, have a huge number of factors affecting their outcomes. But, to say that gay marriage destroys Olypmic results...well, that just goes against the data.
[[User:EricAlstrom|EricAlstrom]] 15:49, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:::I think you are going to have to do regression analysis to isolate the homosexuality issue. It seems as if the wealth and population size are important variables to winning medals as noted above. Cultures which have significant wealth often get morally complacent history shows. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:00, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

1) This is a regression based on population size. But I don't think a regression could be done on wealth, since it's hard to track the socio-economic movements of dozens of medalists, many of whom are relatively unknown. Also, if you want me to regress based on a group of large, poor states that allow gay marriage...my sample size isn't going to be even close to credible. I agree though, it would be very interesting.

2) You didn't provide isolation of the homosexuality issue in your hypothesis, so that's what I based my refutation on.. You said countries with gay marriage would underperform. Not that a country with gay marriage would underperform an identical country without gay marriage.

3) Most importantly, why should ''I'' isolate the homosexuality issue? ''You'' should be the one supporting your premise, or at least refuting my data. I spent the time showing why your idea was wrong, now it's your turn to either show where I am wrong, or adjust or reject your hypothesis.
[[User:EricAlstrom|EricAlstrom]] 16:13, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
::The liberals are not being realistic and fighting an uphill battle here. You are never going to have people associate homosexuality with athleticism/health. This is a Pickett's charge to say the least - especially at Conservapedia (see: [[Homosexuality and health]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:36, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
:::So...nothing about the Olympics then? [[User:EricAlstrom|EricAlstrom]] 16:47, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
::::You still haven't shown me that the homosexual population can clear Olympic hurdles as well as the heterosexual population. See: [[Homosexuality and obesity]] and [[Lesbianism and obesity]]. Are you saying that overweight people are better hurdlers? If so, I have a hard time believing this. Also, nations with bigger populations earn more medals. How does homosexuality promote procreation? After all, God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:37, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::And kudos to you, User:Conservative. You once again can't resist bringing up us evil fat people as your argument. And lo and behold, it's even completely off-topic to the above comments. Color me surprised... '''''NOT!''''' [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 13:38, 6 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::: [[User:Conservative]], you make valid points, but you are confusing two statistical populations. There is the homosexual population, and if your statistics are correct, they should perform worse. Let's assume that you're right for the purpose of this discussion. However, that would only effect athletes who are homosexual themselves, not entire countries. Legalizing same-sex marriage won't magically make the entire population into homosexuals. So you should be looking at the sexual orientation of the athletes themselves if you want to prove your point. Whether the country/state legalizes same-sex marriage is irrelevant to your point, one way or the other. I'd be interested in seeing your new study which focuses on the athletes themselves and not on the whole country. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 13:54, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

Conservative, you said that legalizing gay marriage leads to a country under-performing in the Olympics. I showed that the evidence does not support that, at least in America. I didn't say fat gays make good hurdlers. But, the Olympics usually doesn't draw athletes from the 'out-of-shape' population... [[User:EricAlstrom|EricAlstrom]] 22:45, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

== Expected Medals ==

Hello all,
I think it would be fun to track "expected vs actuals" with regards to medals. I was thinking of adding a table giving each partipating country an expected value. However, I'm having trouble deciding it it would be better to do it on a "per capita" basis, or a "per GDP" basis. Any thoughts? [[User:EricAlstrom|EricAlstrom]] 17:09, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

:I think ranking on a "per GDP" basis would be fairer. Competitive sports is an activity of affluent nations. Any thoughts on this by others?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:14, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

::I added a table, proportioning medals by nominal GDP. I notice that I'm predicting 200 medals for America, which seems high. I wonder why that could be? My thought is that there are a ton of countries with less than 1 medal expected, but a lot of them will probably get one. I'll leave the table, but please let me know if you have any thoughts on modifications. It's a least something to get us thinking! [[User:EricAlstrom|EricAlstrom]] 13:43, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

== Added info re same-sex marriage ==

I added more info on same-sex marriage being allowed in certain political subdivisions of a country. I clarified that there are two US States that have legalized same sex marriage but there is a citizen's referendum about it, but that one of them (Washington) already had civil unions. I also noted that in Mexico, same-sex marriage is legal in Mexico City, a Federal District similar to Washington, DC. Also, I noted that several overseas territories of the Netherlands will compete separately and also have different laws regarding same-sex marriage. Aruba does not perform them, but per the Kingdom's requirements must recognize those performed elsewhere. Same with Curacao and Sint Maarten, who will compete as "Independent Olympic Participants" under the Olympic flag after the dissolution of the Netherlands Antilles and the loss of recognition for their Olympic committee. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 19:29, 3 July 2012 (EDT)

== Joke sports ==

I'm going to remove beach volleyball from the list, as it's a very physically demanding sport. Also, while I agree that synchronised swimming is a bit of a joke, I disagree with the description that these are "sports that allow underachieving nations to pad their medal totals". The USA has won (usually multiple) medals in beach volleyball every year it has been included in the Olympics, synchronised swimming medals ''most'' times and half of all the BMX medals ever awarded! In fact, the only weak nation that has ever won a medal in any of these events (ever) was a Latvian who won the first BMX gold. [[User:WilcoxD|WilcoxD]] 00:00, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

:I realize that the U.S. wins many of these "joke" medals. I was being objective and fair to other nations in criticizing these medals.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:13, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

::Ok fair enough. So what are your thoughts on beach volleyball? What makes it joke...ish? [[User:WilcoxD|WilcoxD]] 00:19, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

:::I think it's mainly because it's a relatively recent creation, arrived at by taking an existing sport and just playing it on a beach. (I know that teams are smaller and the rules are a bit different etc, but that's basically it.) Why not have beach tennis, beach archery, beach baseball and beach cricket as well??? That and the requirements by the sport's governing body specifying the skimpiness of female competitors' attire.
:::This isn't to say that it's not demanding to play at the top level, but do the Olympics really need to have two different kinds of volleyball? Regular volleyball is hardly a blue riband event as it is!--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 08:33, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
:::: Beach volleyball and regular volleyball have different rules. The idea is the same, but the rules are pretty different. A similar situation would be rugby. Starting in 2016 rugby sevens will be in the Olympics. If they also added rugby league (which is fairly similar to rugby sevens, but has a lot of differences too) as well, then that would be too similar. But it just makes them redundant, it doesn't make one of them a "joke". [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 14:04, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

== Are the nations of Japan increasingly atheistic or increasingly theistic and/or christian? ==

Are the nations of Japan increasingly atheistic or increasingly theistic and/or christian?

Gallup poll: Christianity growing in Japan: http://www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=2278

Pastor Lee in Korea, 2007 - BBC: ""Our church is still growing, so sooner or later Christianity will be the major religion in Korea. All Christians are praying for that right now."[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8322072.stm]

== Move page ==

Can we move this page to [[2012 Olympics]]? That's a more natural title. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 07:16, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
:How bout a redirect?[[User:Brenden|brenden]] 11:13, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

::The redirect works. It's a close call which title is better, but to me starting an entry with a number seems less efficient in conveying meaning.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:24, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
:::You have to have something indicating summer. I retitled the article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:04, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
::::I agree. Even though Summer and Winter Olympics never occur in the same year anymore, they historically were both held in the same year. Having this naming convention will ensure consistency with other Olympics articles we may create. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 12:11, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
::::: I agree. 2012 Olympics may not be ambiguous but [[1984 Olympics]] would be. (Los Angeles Summer Games or Sarajevo Winter Games). Also, with regards to Andy's concern, virtually all press releases refer to these as the 2012 (Summer) Olympics, and/or use the official name "Games of the XXX Olympiad". (XXX is Roman Numeral 30, not a placeholder) However, since the official Olympiad name is never used except in official releases, and it is commonly referred to as 2012 Summer Olympics everywhere else, I say keep it this way. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 14:01, 4 July 2012 (EDT)

Agree with Greg. Thirtieth Olympiad is too obscure for a generation that regards 3 month old music as outdated. Better call it the 2012 Olympics. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 20:26, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

== Tables for medals ==

I'm going to add tables showing medals won, and indicate in the table when same-sex marriage was recognized, for each country listed. This will make it easier to identify trends from before and after legalization. [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 11:54, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

== This page is preposterous ==

I can't believe that nearly everything you have to say about this year's Olympic games revolves around your overweening obsession with homosexuality and atheism. Even conservatives--well, normal conservatives--would want more substantive information. [[User:CasparRH|CasparRH]] 19:51, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

:That's not enough to qualify as trying to improve this page. Are you saying there's no correlation, or are you indirectly registering an objection to this project's campaign against homosexuality and atheism? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 20:25, 15 July 2012 (EDT)
::In my opinion, the way to improve this page would be to delete all the content and start over. I understand that the project is against homosexuality and atheism. But that doesn't mean those things have to be the main focus of ''every'' article. And yes, I ''am'' saying that there is no known correlation between same-sex marriage, homosexuality or atheism and Olympics success, and even if one were demonstrated, it would not establish causality, which is clearly what you are after. [[User:CasparRH|CasparRH]] 21:20, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

:::Ideas do have consequences on productivity, achievement, happiness, etc. A high percentage of successful [[NFL]] quarterbacks are devout [[Christians]]. Why?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:17, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

::::Is that so? What is the percentage? --[[User:QuentinQ|QuentinQ]] 23:57, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

== Where is the UK... ==

...in the expected medals section? --[[User:QuentinQ|QuentinQ]] 21:02, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

:Whoops, I had it listed as Great Britain. Which I should have known better than to do - I lived in London for a couple years, and got yelled at every time I got the terms wrong... [[User:EricAlstrom|EricAlstrom]] 23:18, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

::Aaargh! I checked UK and Britain but neglected to check Great Britain. Silly me. --[[User:QuentinQ|QuentinQ]] 23:23, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

== GDP ==

If GDP "may be a fair proxy" in relation to how many medals a country will win then why is the main part of the article all about how atheism and gay marriage are going to have such an influence over the results? --[[User:QuentinQ|QuentinQ]] 21:04, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

:I wanted to have a start point for comparisons and trend-spotting. It is my hypothesis that homosexuality and atheism have nothing to do with a country's athletic performance, and the table is my first step in testing. [[User:EricAlstrom|EricAlstrom]] 23:21, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

::I am inclined to agree with you. Unfortunately it makes the article a little schizophrenic (if I may use that term in such an inaccurate manner). The top of the article asserts that homosexuality and atheism are solid indicators of Olympic performance for reasons, whereas your section is intended to show otherwise. An internal tension, if you will.
::I get the feeling from the ''Nations that are increasingly atheistic'' section that there is supposed to be some reason that atheists are incapable of acting as members of a team (the reason is not explained). Beyond that, the article is not only utterly unsupported by any study or even by any observations made by eminent persons in the appropriate field, it doesn't even contain a hypothesis as to the means by which the asserted connections operate. I would suggest deleting and starting again but I have read Ed Poor's comments above and I assume any such similar request from myself would be resisted. --[[User:QuentinQ|QuentinQ]] 23:36, 15 July 2012 (EDT)
::: We have explained those connections elsewhere, including on this talk page. Perhaps make separate articles and link to them? If we put all the explanations in this article, I think it would get a bit too busy. Also, we'd have to copy them for every future Olympics, which seems like a waste if we can just link to them. What does everyone else think? [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 12:04, 21 July 2012 (EDT)

== Rowing -> soccer ==

I see Andy that you have reverted my edit which asserted that rowing was the sport requiring the most teamwork. Apparently soccer is the sport that requires most teamwork (for reasons that are mysterious to me).

Why is that Andy? Why not (field) hockey, for example? Or American football? I would still assert that rowing is far and away the paramount team sport. Your edit comment that it is "emulating a machine" really does nothing to detract from that assertion. So what? If that means that each crew member must move their body in perfect time with each other then my point is all the stronger isn't it?

Obviously if this is a conservative insight then clearly I must be wrong, but if there is an actual reason that soccer is the ultimate team sport over rowing then I would be interested to hear it. --[[User:QuentinQ|QuentinQ]] 23:52, 15 July 2012 (EDT)

:There is no dynamic teamwork of any consequence in rowing - no passing a ball from one player to another, no reactions to defenders, and no mental strategy. Rowing is great exercise for those who have access to expensive equipment and placid lakes, but it's not dynamic teamwork as soccer is.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:43, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

::Ok, so it's "dynamic teamwork" that atheists can't perform? They are capable of acting in perfect harmony with each other in a rowing shell but cannot pass a ball to each other or perform mental strategy? Interesting. Is there any evidence to support any of this? If so, why is it that atheists are incapable of such activities?

::P.S. I performed a couple of Google searches on which (rowing or soccer) is more commonly referred to as "the ultimate team sport": [https://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=%22rowing+the+ultimate+team+sport%22&oq=%22rowing+the+ultimate+team+sport%22&gs_l=serp.3..0i30.71845.74333.0.74873.2.2.0.0.0.0.220.429.2-2.2.0...0.0...1c.IPtkh8308qI&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=862d766996523d9f&biw=1201&bih=678 rowing] or [https://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&pq=soccer%20the%20ultimate%20team%20sport&cp=32&gs_id=e&xhr=t&q=%22soccer+the+ultimate+team+sport%22&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=%22soccer+the+ultimate+team+sport%22&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=862d766996523d9f&biw=1201&bih=678 soccer]. I think that the hit numbers speak for themselves. --[[User:QuentinQ|QuentinQ]] 00:57, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

:::Rowing is obviously a rich-man's sport, which gives an unfair advantage to a few nations like the [[U.K.]] While physically challenging, rowing is the only sport where the contestant should think as little as possible and simply act like a robot.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 01:12, 16 July 2012 (EDT)
:::: In rowing, don't you have a coxswain telling you when to row? It requires everyone rowing together, yes, but as long as they all act like robots (as Andy put it) and row when the coxswain says row, that's the only teamwork required. I won't deny it's a difficult sport, but it doesn't require much teamwork when there's a coxswain. The reason it's the ultimate team sport is that, more so than in any other sport, the chain is only as strong as the weakest link. If you put me on a soccer field with the 10 best players in the world (assuming they're of different positions), we could win, even though I'm a terrible soccer player. If you put me in a four-man boat with the three best rowers in the world, we would do terrible, because I'm a terrible rower. That's the difference between rowing and other team sports. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 05:35, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

::::::I row 3 times a week and I am a coxswain. It is certainly not a "robot" sport, and it requires intense concentration from the rowers to make sure that the crew is in time, running on perfect technique and drawing through together. A physically stronger crew will often lose to a weaker but more technical crew. The reason that our crews look like robots are because they are concentrating as hard as they can to keep everything technical, and to work against what the body is intuitively telling you to make every single inch of pressure on the water count.
::::::
::::::As for being a rich man's sport, I can sympathise. Those boats are bloody expensive, and are often donated through philanthropy. However many of us, myself included, come from very underprivileged backgrounds and are fortunate enough to row in university teams. But getting to Olympic level requires training from a young age, which usually means being brought up at a very expensive private school that has rowing equipment. So I agree to an extent there, but one must not forget the huge benefits that philanthropy gives to broadening the pool of rowers, which is a conservative virtue as far as this website is concerned. [[User:HumanGeographer|HumanGeographer]] 11:16, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

:::: (edit conflict) Doesn't the above data prove my point? The wealthiest nations in the world have won nearly all of the rowing medals.

:::: Rowing is a grueling sport - I rowed for a bit myself. But it is a rich man's sport, and it is the only sport that does not use the brain.

:::: In reply to Greg's insight comments, I doubt a soccer team with 25% terrible players could win either, if the coaching by the opposing side is good.

:::: In reply to HumanGeographer's good comments, I agree that concentration is required and that the sport is terrific exercise.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:29, 16 July 2012 (EDT)
::::: Andy, soccer teams have 11 players (including goalie). So it would be 9% poor players. And considering that teams have won 10-on-11 after an early red card, it's not inconceivable. But in rowing, it would be impossible. That's where the "team sport" mantra comes from. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 15:05, 16 July 2012 (EDT)

Greg, you have missed Andy's point. If you are one out of the four rowers you now have 25% of a team being terrible, whereas in soccer, as you have put it, missing one player means only 9% of the team is terrible. What Andy is suggesting is that the better comparison would be if a soccer team had 3 of their players essentially non-effective, and his point in that regard is well-taken. A soccer team playing 8 against 11 would not fare well either.--[[User:Krayner|Krayner]] 15:23, 18 July 2012 (EDT)

== The Olympics and Economics 2012 ==

[[Goldman Sachs]] has some thoughts on the matters discussed above: [http://www.goldmansachs.com/our-thinking/topics/global-economic-outlook/olympics-and-economics-.pdf pdf]
{{cquote|Britain has quite high per capita spending on elite sports for a western democracy. Sailing is a perfect example— boats are very costly. For equestrianism, you need a horse. For rowing, you need a boathouse, boats and oars. For track cycling, you don’t really have a chance without a wind tunnel, a velodrome. It’s different with running, where you just need a pair of shoes. There is a dramatic difference between sports that only a tiny group of countries can afford to invest in and the others.|||Matthew Syed, British journalist}}
They have a forecast for Gold and Total medals, too.
--[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:50, 18 July 2012 (EDT)

== During the Modern Olympic Games, the pagan origins of the Olympics have been replaced by faith-based achievement by the participating athletes ==

This seems to be wishful thinking: the Olympics were for quite a time dominated by nations which didn't allow their athletes the comforts of faith. [[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 05:59, 18 July 2012 (EDT)

== Group of Left ==

For those who don't get the "Group of Left" reference, it's a play on the phrase "Group of Death", which refers to an unusually strong group. I doubt Tunisia will finish in the top two and go to the medal round, but anything other than last place would be overperforming for them. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 18:21, 22 July 2012 (EDT)

== Women's Soccer ==

Why would the US women's soccer team be expected to underachieve? They're not one of the atheist nations, same-sex marriage is only legal in six states, and if Title IX effected them in any way, it would have helped them (albeit at the expense of men's sports). We should either explain it or remove it. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 18:35, 22 July 2012 (EDT)
:As I understand it, women's soccer is very strong in the US. Still, the nature of Soccer means that results are more unpredictable than other sports. Very often the best team is not able to win. Its a funny sport in that respect. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 18:44, 22 July 2012 (EDT)
:: I know that. But that still doesn't answer the question. We could say the same about any of the favorites. There's no reason given to expect the US team specifically to underperform. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 08:49, 23 July 2012 (EDT)
:::It seems as though "underperformance" and "failing to live up to expectations" are a preferred theme of the website's management. Maybe it's just a case of projection. [[User:RayM|RayM]] 09:22, 23 July 2012 (EDT)
:::: Possibly. If that's all it is, we should remove it. But I'm going to wait and see if anyone has a better explanation before I do so. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 18:07, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

:::::[[Politically correct]] teams often underachieve.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:03, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::: Very well. I removed the part about the coach being a foreigner, since surprisingly it isn't an unusual practice to do something like that. About half the women's soccer coaches this year are from another country (i.e. not the one they coach). And Jurgen Kingsman of Germany coaches the men's US national team, although it's unlikely he'd have coached at the Olympics even if they did qualify, since men's soccer at the Olympics is primarily Under-23 teams. However, I kept the rest of the footnote. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 21:10, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

::::::: I don't think it's that common for a prominent sport like soccer. Germany, of course, has a very strong soccer program. But a coach from Sweden for the women's team???--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:21, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::::: Ahhh.... Good point. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 21:50, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
The coach in question was the coach when the US won gold in 2008. She took the job in 2007. [[User:RayM|RayM]] 00:14, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
::::::::: Early goal for France in Game 1 for the USA. 1-0. Plenty of time for us to come back. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 12:13, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
::::::::: 2-0 France, less than 20 minutes in. A loss wouldn't eliminate the US, but a big loss would make it hard to go through in a tough group. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 12:15, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
::::::::: 2-1. US goal came on a corner kick, which requires a lot of teamwork, against, atheist France. Still not even a quarter of the way through. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 12:20, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
So let me get this straight: If France loses, it's because of atheism. If the US loses, it's because their coach is a foreign-born lesbian, even though she led the team to gold in 2008. Is that correct? [[User:RayM|RayM]] 12:29, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::: It's only one game. And one of them had to win (or it could be a tie, I suppose). Let's see how the tournament progresses. It looks like they'll both go to the quarterfinals, but with 8 of the 12 teams advancing, that's not unexpected. Let's see how they do there. Then we can discuss this. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 13:51, 29 July 2012 (EDT)
:The US girls have won the gold medal! [http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/08/09/us-beats-japan-for-third-straight-olympic-gold-in-women-soccer/] --[[User:FrederickT3|FrederickT3]] 17:40, 9 August 2012 (EDT)

=="No Religion" in census response==
There are three possible explanations for a citizen refusing to state a religious preference on a government census form: no self-identification with one of the listed denominations, fear of government recording of religious preferences, or protest against government intrusion into a citizen's private spiritual life. Do we know which is the case in Australia? I know that if the government were to knock on my door, I would be in the third group. We don't know if Australia is in a religious decline based on census data, when there are better measures, including church service attendance and audience ratings for religious radio and TV broadcasts. Are there better data sources for this article? Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 01:08, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

Over 11% of Australians refused to answer the religion question on their census forms. These people could have a faith. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 08:22, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

== Beckham and the Olympic torch ==

I suggest not adding whether Beckham lights the Olympic cauldron until after it airs on NBC, even though we should know around 7:30 PM ET whether he has or not. Some people might not know and might want to not know until NBC shows it on tape delay. It's only a few hours, and since most of our users are American and won't have seen the cauldron lighting yet, I think it's a reasonable courtesy. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 06:41, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

== Black Power salute controversy ==

I don't see a connection between the Black Power salute controversy, which was an act of political defiance on the medal stand that hardly anyone remembers (and which the Olympic committee forgave participants for) and [[Tebowing]]. Also, why would the comment be in the "TBD" column anyway?
:I think that athletes may (understandably) refrain from engaging in overt religious activity due to the precedent set by Smith and Carlos. The Olympics are a major event, and being banned from them (even wrongly) can seriously affect athletes, especially those competing in sports whose major competition is the Olympics. That's why I think that athletes will at least think twice before engaging in such behavior.
:The column where I added my explanation is headed "Answer," and my explanation is certainly an answer. Of course, it's just my insight, and maybe it will be proven wrong. But even if no one does end up doing Tebowing, we can rest assured that Christian athletes have Jesus' words in mind:
{{cquote|And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.|||Matthew 6:5-8|NIV}}
:[[User:GregG|GregG]] 14:42, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

::The "answer" is presumably provided by the results, as for the other issues, all of which is "TBA". [[Tebowing]] is not something that would likely be done during the medal ceremony, not even by Tebow himself. It's done before or after the athletic event, as in the American marathon medalist in 2004 who did the Sign of the Cross right after crossing the finish line.

::As to the quote from the [[Bible]], the context for that quote is clear: people should not pray in a hypocritical manner like the liberal Pharisees. There is nothing hypocritical about [[Tebowing]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:08, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
:::I think the precedent still applies, or at least it has an ''in terrorem'' effect, to all such displays, regardless of whether they are during a medals ceremony or before or after an event. I know that this is my opinion, but Tebowing seems to me to be nothing more than a gimmick, a practice designed to whack people over the head with the "HEY, IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW, I'M CHRISTIAN!" hammer. Such efforts, no matter how sincere they are, are misguided, and Jesus tells us that this sort of public display is not at all required by Christians, just as Jesus goes on to criticize people who make a public display out the pious practice of fasting. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 15:41, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

== Reformat ==

Can someone with better formatting skills than me please make the table into a better, cleaner format? It's very hard to read right now. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 15:42, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

== Public Schools ==

Is the public schools example really that good? There are certain private schools in America that are infamous for training its students like athletes rather than students. More so in basketball and (American) football than other Olympic sports, though. Public schools don't do that. Nor should schools do that, it's called "school", not "training". I should point out that certain colleges are legendary for that too, including my own school, which is a public college under the State of Connecticut. But don't think that's why we're banned from the tournament next year - we're actually banned for not doing enough to game the system. And half the women's basketball Olympic team went to UConn. We actually care about academics for our women's basketball team, and do very well academically. But don't get me started on that, because it's irrelevant.
Anyway, assuming you mean public high schools (or below), I think it doesn't present a very conservative argument. Private primary schools should not exist for the purpose of training athletes. The fact that some do indicates something is wrong with the system, not that the system is good. Not saying that's enough to make the whole system bad - the vast majority of private schools are very good academically. But these aren't the ones that produce the superstar athletes, for the most part. Also, other than basketball, it wouldn't apply to any of the Olympic sports, since football isn't in the Olympics. And there are only 12 American men's basketball players. I don't know how many of them went to the sham private schools whose main purpose is athletics, but I know LeBron is one of them. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 15:49, 30 July 2012 (EDT)

== The Swiss tweet in question. ==

[http://www.totalprosports.com/2012/07/30/swiss-soccer-player-michel-morganella-sent-home-olympics-racist-tweet/ Here is a link to an image of the tweet]. As you can easily read for yourself, it's directed at "les coréens," et non pas contre "l'équipe coréen" ou quelque chose de même. [[User:RayM|RayM]] 18:33, 31 July 2012 (EDT)

: "South Korean" is not a race, and there is no evidence that the tweet was racist as the [[liberals]] claim. Rather, this incident shows how much liberals oppose [[free speech]], and will NOT defend the rights of others to speak their minds.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:40, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
::So, just for the record, you do defend the right of a person to call an entire nation of people "mentally handicapped retards" and think that he should face no consequences for doing so while representing his own country at an international event? [[User:RayM|RayM]] 18:48, 31 July 2012 (EDT)

:::For the record, I do support [[free speech]], even for statements with which I disagree. The tweet was not racist and athletes should be able to vent on twitter, just as they do vocally during games. Fans do also, by the way.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 19:13, 31 July 2012 (EDT)

::::Do you believe a private, non-profit organization such as the Swiss and/or Greek Olympic committees has the right to demand and/or expect behavior from its members that reflects well on the organization, and that organization should be allowed to sanction a participant when behavior does not meet those expectations? If you do, where do you think the line is drawn? [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 21:27, 31 July 2012 (EDT)

:::::No, I don't think the organizations you mention should be expelling athletes based on what they say on Twitter (and I question whether the organizations are truly private, rather than publicly funded).

:::::There was no evidence that the tweets embarrassed the nations in any way. Rather, this is [[liberal censorship]] run amok. Thirty years ago, liberals and the ACLU would have sided with the athletes.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:39, 31 July 2012 (EDT)
:::::: The only NOC that is 100% privately funded is the American one, although the vast majority of them are funded privately in part. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 13:01, 2 August 2012 (EDT)

== Atheistic Brits ==

I wonder...what percentage of the underachieving, God-hating British Olympians are actually Atheists? [[user:Willingham77|Willingham77]] 17:03, 31 July 2012

:The better question is what percentage of the Brits are subjected to an increasingly atheistic media and culture? Unfortunately, nearly 100%.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 19:11, 31 July 2012 (EDT)

::The better better question is why does an "atheistic" country have an established religion (COE)? Should all of us God-fearing Americans want the same for Christianity?[[User:Emmerich|Emmerich]] 23:23, 1 August 2012 (EDT)

:::[[Great Britain]] has an established '''''church'''''. That is something the [[Founders]] opposed - a state supported '''''church'''''.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:42, 1 August 2012 (EDT)

::::Wow Andy, you should use that statement as an example in a Conservapedia article entitled "Non sequitur". [[User:CasparRH|CasparRH]] 15:43, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
==Proposed table entry==
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
!Sport
!Political issue
!Answer
|-
|Netball
|Will Netball be played at the 2012 and 2016 Summer Olympics? Wikipedia claims that Netball is an "Olympic sport"<ref>{{cite web|url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Olympic_sports|title=Category:Olympic sports|accessdate=Aug. 3, 2012}}</ref><ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Olympics/Archive_12#Category:Olympic_sports</ref> played "at the Olympics".<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball_at_the_Olympics&action=history</ref><ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Olympics/Archive_12#Olympic_recognised_sports</ref>
|Feminists have been demanding equality in Olympic participation. As a result, women have been playing the same game as men -- five-players-on-each-side basketball in the Olympics since 1976, rather than a watered-down version designed for Victorian women called Netball.
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If there are no objections, I will move this to the table in the article. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 11:19, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
: That's not really a question about the Olympics, more a commentary on Wikipedia. Stick it in [[Bias in Wikipedia]], not here. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 17:11, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
: Also, Wikipedia no longer claims Netball is an Olympic sport, only an "Olympic recognized sport", which is correct. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 17:17, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
::With all due respect to my friend Gregkochuconn, I just looked at the Wikipedia netball article and it is still in category "Olympic sports." I admit that the Wikipedia article "Netball and the Olympic Movement" is in category "Olympic recognised sports" but the radical feminists have insisted that Netball stay in the former category. Please see for yourself. The table entry was an assertion: We say netball will not be played in 2012 and 2016, Wikipedia says it is already an Olympic sport and keeps deleting statements that it could not possibly be added to the Olympic Programme before 2024.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball&diff=502656544&oldid=502573324] [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 01:00, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
:::Its a bit hard to see exactly what the issue is. It is not hard to see that this issue is one for the Wikipedia page and not for the Olympics 2012 page. Whether or not it is deservedly and "Olympic Sport" or an "Olympic Recognised Sport" (these terms are not synonymous) is an issue for a general Olympics page, and whether Wikipedia is somehow censoring conservative thought is an issue for the Wikipedia page. Frankly I doubt very many of you even know what netball is. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 01:52, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
:::: That edit seems to be adding the 2024 information, not deleting it. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 13:24, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
:::::Promptly reverted.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball&diff=next&oldid=502668446] [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 03:52, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
::::: Probably because it was in the article about the sport at the Olympics, and didn't belong in the main article. The main article doesn't make any claim one way or the other. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 17:54, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
:::: Also, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netball_at_the_Olympics current version of the page] includes that information. So what you are saying is wrong. In any case, this is not the place for it, as it has absolutely nothing to do with the 2012 Olympics. Wikipedia makes no claim that it will be contested at the 2012 Olympics, even if it is an "Olympic sport", seeing as that category includes present Olympic sports, past Olympic sports, and Olympic recognized sports. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 13:27, 4 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::: Note that the article on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_(sport) squash], which has a far more significant chance of being added to the Olympic program than squash, also does not mention that it could be added no sooner than 2024. As I said above, the article on Netball and the Olympic Movement does mention that it can't be added until 2024. The fact doesn't belong in the main article for the sport, by WP standards, and other articles on Olympic-recognized sports don't mention it either. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 15:17, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
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== Oh no, the tennis! ==

Look what's happening! One of the greatest conservative sports stars just lost the bronze medal match to an Argentinian who no doubt supports gay marriage, and an overrated Brit is smashing one of the all-time greats in the gold! What is going on?? Not only that, but we all just watched home-schooled gymnast Makayla Maroney underperform, right onto her bum! This page may need a re-write ... [[User:AlanA|AlanA]] 10:43, 5 August 2012 (EDT)

:While expressing doubt about your guess as to the Argentinian star's political views, I welcome further review of the predictions in the entry as more results pour in ....--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:45, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
:: The predictions represent things that are "likely" to happen, not things that are guaranteed to happen. Murray also had the advantage of the home fans, and Federer was tired from his marathon match with Del Potro. Of course, Del Potro should have been tired too.

== Will countries that have implemented same-sex marriage underperform? ==

Will someone please explain where the expected total medals figures in this section come from? Thanks. [[User:CasparRH|CasparRH]] 15:41, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
: The table lower down in the article. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 16:59, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
::Oh, you mean the one based on GDP, which "cannot be used as a fair proxy". In other words, they're meaningless. [[User:CasparRH|CasparRH]] 22:15, 6 August 2012 (EDT)
::: Find a better proxy and we can use that. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 09:17, 7 August 2012 (EDT)
::: I have changed the proxy to medals won at the last (Summer) Olympics prior to implementing same-sex marriage. The expected total is virtually unchanged. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 09:28, 7 August 2012 (EDT)
:::: Better, but expected numbers should be corrected for any significant differences in total number of medals available and in a country's number of athletes competing between the base estimate year and 2012. Also, since it's conceded that it's too early to tell how these countries will ultimately perform, the +/- figures are premature. With about 59% of events concluded, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, South Africa and Sweden are on track to meet or exceed their medal count for the base year. The Netherlands and Norway could easily do so as well by the games' end. [[User:CasparRH|CasparRH]] 10:53, 7 August 2012 (EDT)
::::: Hence "too early to tell". It's unlikely (though not impossible) for the Netherlands and Spain to overperform, while Denmark and Sweden have overperformed already. The rest are too early to tell. That being said, I will remove the +/- totals until the Games are over - they are misleading at this point. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 11:00, 7 August 2012 (EDT)
::::: Also, there are only a few more medal events (out of over 300) being contested in 2012 than in previous years, so that shouldn't matter. I think there were 301 in 2008 and 2004 and 302 this year. Insigificant. Since the theory centers around how many exceptional athletes these countries produce, adjusting for the number of athletes is incorrect. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 11:02, 7 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::What is "the theory"? [[User:CasparRH|CasparRH]] 09:37, 8 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::: See [[User:Conservative]]'s rant somewhere above on this page. It's confusing, and I don't feel like repeating all of it, especially since I don't think it's accurate (though as an empiricist, I'm willing to put it to the test). [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 13:23, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
Seems that the highly promiscous gay diver has been eliminated, news article said he has been spending to much time at gay rallies instead of training [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 12:33, 11 August 2012 (EDT)
:::::::: I did not just say that about the gay diver. Who signed my name to that comment? [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 14:53, 11 August 2012 (EDT)
:::::::: Looking through the edit history, it appears to be [[User:Nacacube]], who for some reason decided to affix my username to his comment. I don't even know how he did it, since he obviously didn't copy and paste - the time is different. Strange. Message left on his talk page. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 14:55, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

Originally, the "developed nations" took most of the medals in the Modern Olympics. In fact, because of transportation challenges, the host country had a big advantage in the early years of the Modern Olympics. Since that time, there has been a long-term trend of spreading the medals to countries throughout the world. Over time, the portion of the medals going to smaller countries has increased and the number of medals going to France, UK, and Germany have declined. So, if one had to explain a 4% decline in Olympic medals, could one look to this long-term trend rather than to the gay marriage factor? Thanks [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 12:26, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
: 4% isn't a significant difference anyway, unless it continues. One sample showing a 4% change doesn't really prove anything by itself. You could be right, but we'd have to analyze it long-term, rather than just one year, given the small change. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 16:14, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
: Assuming GregG calculated the p-value correctly, he is correct in that there is no statistical significance just from this one test. Generally, you would need a p value of 0.05 or less for it to be significant (or by stricter standards, 0.01). 0.73 is nowhere near that. I'm not going to verify the calculations, but it seems right. And assuming it's right, GregG is correct that it is not significant. However, if repeated tests showed a 4% decrease, that would be significant. We can run it again in 2014 and 2016, and beyond. And possibly we would have more nations to work with in those years. Keep in mind that the Winter Olympics (2014) have fewer total medals, so a 4% drop would be less significant, by itself. But if demonstrated, it could show significance of the trend. Something inonsistent with the 4% decrease, such as a small increase, would indicate no correlation. Bottom line is that this one sample test can't disprove the correlation by itself, but it doesn't prove it either. I'm an actuarial science major at school, so I'm pretty knowledgeable about this stuff. A repeated 4% decrease would be significant. But for the moment, it's not. I'm going to retroactively analyze the 2008 medal data, although we'll have fewer countries. When I'm done, I'll post the results. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 16:26, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
: Here is the medal data from previous years from the original post, omitting any countries that legalized same-sex marriage after 2008
Belgium - 5 in 2000, 2 in 2008
Canada - 12 in 2004, 18 in 2008
Netherlands - 25 in 2000, 16 in 2008
Norway - 6 in 2004, 9 in 2012
South Africa - 6 in 2004, 1 in 2008
Spain - 19 in 2004, 18 in 2012
Total - 73 expected, 64 actual

This is a decrease of 9 medals out of 73, a 12.3% decrease.

Let's look at the countries that legalized same-sex marriage between 2000 and 2004, as far back as we can go.

Belgium - 5 in 2000, 3 in 2004
Netherlands - 25 in 2000, 22 in 2004
Total - 30 in 2000, 25 in 2004
This is a 16.7% decrease, but with far too small a sample size to be significant by itself. [[User:GregG]], care to run the significance test?
Also of note, there appears to be something going on with the Belgians and Dutch, who have seen a consistent decline, while the rest of the nations have not, apparently. Since they are geographically and culturally close, this may be relevant. Ignoring them, we have no data for 2004, a 4.6% INCREASE in 2008, and again a 4.6% increase in 2012, neither of which is statistically significant by itself, and probably still not together. (Note: 4.6% increase is just as statistically significant as 4.6% decrease. In this case, not very) Of course, we can't just kick the two lowest samples out of the data set. But there seems to be some factor that has steadily brought the Dutch and Belgian totals down, without influencing anyone else. Was something else going on in Belgium and the Netherlands at the same time? Or was the 2000 medals we're using as the baseline simply an anomaly? I'm guessing the latter. 2000 was the Dutch's best Olympics EVER. It wasn't the Belgians', but even the 40% decrease from 2000 to 2004 isn't significant when they only had 5 to begin with. I'm going to rerun this data when I have more time, using totals from the three previous summer Olympics, and totals from all Olympiads thereafter, multiplying the latter by 3 or 1.5 if necessary, where there are fewer years, although I'll note where so as not to effect the significance test. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 16:41, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
: Going in alphabetical order,
Belgium - 14 from 1992-2000, 8 from 2004-2012 (no reweighting necessary)
Canada - 48 from 1996-2004, 36 from 2008-2012, multiply by 1.5 to weight as if there were 3 Olympics = 54 weighted total
Denmark - 21 from 2000-2008, 9 in 2012, reweights as 27
Iceland - 2 from 2000-2008, 0 in 2012, reweights as 0
Netherlands - 59 from 1992-2000, 58 from 2004-2012, no reweighting necessary
Norway - 23 from 1996-2004, 13 in 2008-2012, reweight as 19.5 due to lack of future data
Portugal - 7 from 2000-2008, 1 in 2012, reweights as 3
South Africa - 17 from 1996-2004, 7 from 2008-2012, reweight as 10.5
Spain - 47 from 1996-2004, 35 from 2008-2012, reweights as 52.5
Sweden - 24 from 2000-2008, 8 in 2012, reweights as 24
Total - 262 "baseline", 256.5 actual+projected, decrease of 5.5, or 2.1%. Smaller percentage, but with a larger sample size, it could have a higher significance. Or the two could cancel out. I can't do the math in my head. [[User:GregG]], do you mind doing the calculations again? [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 16:52, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
::First, for countries that implemented same-sex marriage before 2008, I am going to use the 2004 total medals awarded for both 2000 and 2004 (there isn't much of a difference: 928 medals in 2000, 929 in 2004). The pre-same-sex-marriage proportion of medals won is 7.858%, the post proportion won is 6.681%. The p-value is 0.3244, which indicates no significance at any common alpha level.
::Second, for countries implementing same-sex marriage before 2004, we have the proportion of medals won in 2000 by those countries as 3.233%, and the proportion of medals won in 2004 by those countries is 2.691%. The p-value is 0.4912, which indicates no statistical significance at any common alpha level.
::I will take a look at how to proceed with your final set of data. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 17:10, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

:::One would expect some time period before the adoption of the [[same-sex marriage]] and its harmful effect, so I don't think it's meaningful to go back to 2004 and 2000. The trend line from 2008 to this year is probably a better indicator.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:15, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
::::Using the data for countries that implemented same-sex marriage between 2008 and 2012 (Denmark, Iceland, Portugal, Sweden):
:::::Those countries won 15 medals out of 958 in 2008.
:::::Those countries won 18 medals out of 962 in 2012.
::::The proportion of medals won by those countries actually went up from 2008 to 2012 (1.566% to 1.871%); the p-value, though, is 0.6068, which indicates no statistical significance at any common alpha level. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 17:21, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

:::::The shortness of time between the adoption of same-sex marriage by those nations and their medals at the 2012 Games renders that particular analysis less meaningful. More significant, I think, would be nations that adopted same-sex marriage before 2008 and how they then trended lower in medal count from 2008 to 2012.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 19:49, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::Using the data for countries that implemented same-sex marriage before 2008 and the medal counts for 2008 and 2012 (Belgium, Canada, Netherlands, Norway, South Africa, Spain)
:::::::Belgium: 2 in 2008, 3 in 2012
:::::::Canada: 18 in 2008, 18 in 2012
:::::::Netherlands: 16 in 2008, 20 in 2012
:::::::Norway: 9 in 2008, 4 in 2012
:::::::South Africa: 1 in 2008, 6 in 2012
:::::::Spain: 18 in 2008, 17 in 2012
:::::::Total: 64 in 2008, 68 in 2012
::::::Again, the proportion of medals won went up from 2008 (6.68%) to 2012 (7.07%). The p-value is 0.7369, which indicates no statistical significance at any common alpha level. And, since this data set is rather scant (and, to be fair, we are having to make assumptions that might not exactly hold water but should be good approximations, like the number of medals won being a binomial distribution, in order to draw any conclusions from the data), I would surmise that you're not going to be able to get much evidence from just these data. Perhaps we will have to wait and see at the 2016 Summer Olympics. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 23:57, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

:::::::Netherlands and South Africa seem to distort the results here. Removing those anomalies results in a decline from 47 to 42 - more than a 10% decrease. For example, it appears that Netherlands did unusually poorly in 2008, which may result in its analomous increase.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:27, 14 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::::Now it looks like you're just cherry-picking the data to get the conclusion you want. ''A priori'', we would expect that such issues would average out. In fact, you suggested comparing 2008 medal counts to 2012 medal counts.
::::::::Also, I haven't run the numbers, but I think that even if you exclude the Netherlands and South Africa, you would still not have statistical significance due to the low number of successes that are expected by those countries. As an example, if we flip a fair coin 10 times, a result of 3 heads is not statistically significant at any common alpha (p=11/32). Yet 3 heads is 40% fewer heads than the 5 we would expect. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 00:50, 14 August 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::If the Netherlands and South Africa are to be excluded then we should exclude Norway as well. I think that leaves 38 and 38? No change. [[User:WilcoxD|WilcoxD]] 02:15, 14 August 2012 (EDT)

We should be comparing two sets of countries - those that implement same-sex marriage and those that prohibit same-sex marriage. When comparing sets with similar economies and populations, one could find that medal counts when down for both groups. The question is whether there is a statistically significant difference in the drop in medal count between the same-sex marriage and no same-sex marriage countries. I would guess that there are so many other factors that have a larger effect on the medal count, that any difference would be insignificant, but I welcome someone to run the numbers. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 18:35, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
::Nancy boys don't have kids which contributes to decline of populations as does pro-abortion/anti-life policies. see: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZeyYIsGdAA Demographic winter] In 2008, there were 70 countries with sub-replacement levels of fertility. So we look at trend of medals won by countries which adopt same sex marriage. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:06, 13 August 2012 (EDT)
:::Male homosexual couples not being able to have children the natural way is a biological fact. It doesn't depend on them being married or not. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 02:21, 14 August 2012 (EDT)

== Medal weighting ==

It's been pointed out at [[talk:Main Page]] that some sports, notably swimming, are vastly over-rewarded in terms of the number of medals available. We would get a better representation of which nations were actually the best, sporting-wise, if we took this into account in our medals tables. One simple way would be to discount multiple medals won by the same individual, or perhaps to cap the number of medals counted in the same sport at, say, five. What do people think?

(Sadly the nation most affected by this would currently be that titan of the swimming pool, the USA.)--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 10:37, 7 August 2012 (EDT)
: That would be hard to do, though. And nearly impossible to keep updating during the Games. I propose keep the current system for now, and discuss further when the Games are over. [[User:Gregkochuconn|Gregkochuconn]] 10:53, 7 August 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2012-08-13T07:24:28Z

Baobab: /* The United States and Bestiality */

==I don't even know what to say about this article...==
I was going to leave Conservapedia but when I see this kind of article, I just can't. Conservative, do you know that you are becoming very offensive? 
I heard that you were always eager to debate. I have a lot of questions about christianity & atheism that I would like to discuss. Would you be willing to answer my questions ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Is the reason why you don't know what to say about the [[Atheism and bestiality]] article is that I pick reputable sources plus have 6 pages of relevant information? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:06, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Then, would you accept my offer to debate ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== Absolutely revolting. Andy Schlafly, please put an end to this. ==

Disgusted. As a Christian I am reviled by this. There are no links that support what this Peter Singer said, merely heresy from another website which doesn't state its sources. Then it is taken to paint a group of people in the same stripe. Absolutely immoral, unsupported filth. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:14, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:What's next? '''''Atheism and mastur<nowiki />bation'''''? Oh wait, [[Conservapedia:Deletedpage|mastur<nowiki />bation]] is a naughty word - even the spam-filter doesn't like it. Bestiality should be added to the list! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 17:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah this is really bad, not that anything else this user has done has been that much better. -1 for lack of fatty fat fat ad hominems and lack of bunny photos. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:20, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::: I suggest [[Atheism and Mass Murder]] or [[Atheism and evolutionary racism | Atheism and Racism]]. Oh wait, it already exists ! That's just great encyclopedic content ! And so objective by the way !--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 17:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::I saw your response and noticed that you started it off with "I suggest..." so I stopped reading it, but here's an article on flying cats instead. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:23, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::there is no support for this claim - this user is trolling. Lowering the tone immensely. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::User:conservative is trying too hard--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It was incredibly easy to find 4 pages of relevant material on this topic. Given the depravity of atheism this is not entirely surprising. As far as what is next, I have not given the topic or timing of my next article on atheism although I have alluded to [[User talk:CamilleT|an upcoming article on atheism]] to a Conservapedian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:11, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is wonderful, when shall we see it? And Conservative, you state that atheists are depraved. I personally know many atheists and none of them are depraved in any way you have implied. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:19, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::SeanS, it is just useless, for Conservative loves to make up a rule from 1 case...--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

==Support ?==
Conservative, could you please provide some support that Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 18:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I cited a source plus in case you are forgetting you are on the information superhighway. I suggest going to a search engine and typing in the words Peter Singer. The reason I am taking you to task is that I think you are being lazy and/or contentious. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:01, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Please avoid being insulting, Conservative. I did actually googled it but I found nothing except from anti-atheists websites (like creation.com) which cannot really be considered as objective on this matter.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Please do not waste my time and second I don't believe you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:30, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh you're right, that's just a waste of time. I forgot that Conservapedia is not a democracy, it's all about aristocracy: the king Andy who rules his kingdom seconded by his lords. And when Lord Conservative speaks, no one may dare oppose him. Thanks for reminding me of this.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== Error ==

Where ever you copied this from, Conservative. There's a misplaced "2" in your Stalin paragraph (clearly should have been a reference).
There's also a typo in reference #11.
[[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 02:46, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks, removed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:28, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== To Aschlafly: Unprotect request ==

As it appears you believe this article adds to Conservapedia's value as an educational resource, can you please unprotect it - and make sure it '''stays''' unprotected - so that the entire CP community can help to improve it? Thanks. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 21:57, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

== Extension suggestion ==

Could someone add the passages of the Scripture regarding bestiality (Leviticus 18: v 23, Leviticus 20: v 15 and Deuteronomy 27: v 21)please?
I would also suggest an historic part about bestiality in Europe (for instance the story of ''Leda and the swan'' in ancient Greek mythology) and how the rise of christianity helped to rid Europe and the world of bestiality. Or would that be a stand-alone article? À Dieu --[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 14:53, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Added Bible versus. Second, please create a section/article here [[User: VProppand/atheism-bestiality-Europe]] and focus on how/why Christianity helped greatly reduce bestiality in Europe and then I can add it. Also, if there is somewhat of a resurgence in bestiality in a Europe that is less Christianized and you can document it in a non-salacious way, then do that too. Please make sure you use reputable sources (not salacious sources) and I would prefer no pictures. Indicate on this talk page when you are done. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
:::VPropp, here are sources that are interesting and it relates to history: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7858632 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239958 Also, I can check back on this web page to see if you did the article. When should I check back? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

==Psst! I got a secret for you...==

As the author of this entry is quite fond of touting how prominently their articles show up in search results... one has to ask: why is [[User:Conservative]] purposely trying to undermine his/her own efforts? And by extension, Conservapedia as a whole? I am sure that the author of this very encyclopedic entry is well aware that most God fearing people enable the "Safe Search" feature so as not to be assaulted with any vile anti-Christian filth. Well guess what chief? With safe search on, the most popular search engine in the world filters out all pages containing the word ''bestiality''. So go right on adding that word to your feverish heart's content. But keep in mind that every page you pepper with your current favorite word, is another page that disappears from millions of search results. You're welcome. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 22:51, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::::You claim the article is anti-Christian, but you failed to show it. Seeing that the Bible mentions bestiality 4 times, I think you face an uphill battle in proving your claim. You are just upset because it shows atheists and secular societies in a bad light. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:06, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
::Who said I created this article to get web traffic? Second, are search engines the only way to get web traffic? I have found that cognitive flexibility and logical thinking are not strengths of many atheists. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:39, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::What do you think is better access than a search engine ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:28, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::All God fearing Christians use the GoodSearch search engine to rack up donations for their favorite Christian charities and [http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=atheism+and+bestiality as you can see for yourself] this article does quite well at Goodsearch. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:13, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::The what? Never 'eard of it, nor have my biblical literalist conservative god fearing parents, nor my biblical literalist conservative god fearing church. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 10:35, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::A Conservapedian told me about it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:56, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Anyways, it is a moot point. Most of the web traffic to the article is probably going to be caused by internal traffic from Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== For what it's worth ==

For what it's worth, I do think there is something of an omission in all these articles, which is any examples of atheists who have actually committed bestiality. It's mostly about them not condemning it, which is unbiblical, but which I think is just as likely to stem from naivety (not having thought a great deal about what the practice actually entails) as from depravity.

Can anyone suggest any prominent atheists who commit bestiality as well as condoning it?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:01, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

:Another thought: of course it's relevant to cite the Bible, but fully half of the verses that mention it (two) recommend the death penalty for bestialters. Should this be mentioned? Do any countries currently execute for this crime?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

::I can't find any examples. To be honest I wouldn't expect many people, atheists or otherwise, to go around condemning bestiality all the time. Constant condemnation of a pretty rare practice seems to imply that you're thinking about it to a degree that's not... entirely normal. Anyway I've lived in the UK for 40 years and the only time bestiality ever gets mentioned is when people make jokes about the Welsh, so it would be fair to say it's not a big social issue here. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:18, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::re: CPalmner's above comments: If someone wants to do research on the atheist Marquis de Sade and the Oxford nihilist A.C Swindburne that would be fine. Here is what I found: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/swinburne/acsbio1.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:20, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Also, I seem to recall that Conservapedia has a list of atheist killers/serial killers and my guess is that some of them may have engaged in this act. Again, this would require more research. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That link says nothing about de Sade practicing bestiality and only says that Swindburne circulated a story about it; it also points out that he frequently spread untrue stories about himself. This isn't evidence. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:35, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
Actually, I think the article says the Wilde accused him of spreading stories which is not the same thing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I know Jeffrey Dahmer was an evolutionist and he may have been an atheist. I don't know. He seems to have done evil things to animals but I don't know the specifics http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/03/john-coopes.html
:::::This website indicates that Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist: http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ If memory serves, I do realize he converted to Christianity in jail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:43, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but is there any evidence that Dahmer committed bestiality? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The fact is that both atheists and Christians practice bestiality (don't even get me started on muslims) and what we need is evidence that atheists are more likely to do so. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
I was very clear that I said I don't know and I only have a report he did evil things to animals. You seem awfully defensive. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:04, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not being defensive; I'm just suggesting that if we want to suggest a link between atheism and bestiality it would be nice to have evidence that a higher percentage of atheists than Christians commit it. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:07, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::ThomasMacD, Conservapedia allows for original research that can be verified to be true. Feel free to do some original research on this issue. Best wishes on getting your grant studying this issue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:27, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== "...in wake of homosexual marriage being legalized in France." ==

Homosexual marriage has not been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:39, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Corrected. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:13, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::No it's not. There is still a section with a headline that says that homosexual marriage has been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:18, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:39, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

== Christian apologist William Lane Craig declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about ==

Christian apologist [[William Lane Craig]], who is considered of Christianity's foremost apologist, declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofDChlSILU See Question and answer section of debate] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:31, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Janet thinks the atheist Christopher Hitchens was a coward when addressing this issue.[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111024155341AA5a9xI] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:50, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue ==

mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue, podcast: http://shockawenow.webs.com/apps/podcast/podcast/159439 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:07, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
::Debate was with agnostic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:48, 19 February 2012 (EST)

== The United States and Bestiality ==

The [http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Nederland/article/detail/2248057/2007/04/05/Nederland-verspreidt-meeste-dierenporno.dhtml Dutch newspaper article] quoted in the main source for [[Netherlands and bestiality]] also reports that bestiality videos are especially popular among Germans and Americans ("Vooral bij Duitsers en Amerikanen is dierenporno geliefd"). Approximately 80% of all USA citizens are Christians. Chlamydia has been steadily [http://www.avert.org/std-statistics-america.htm on the rise] in the Christian USA. Evolution is [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html less accepted in the US] than in other Western countries.

Should I add these data to the article or do they warrant a separate article on the US and bestiality? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 08:15, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::Biblical Christianity is against beastiality. While you have high profile atheists saying they are ok with beastiality, you don't have proponents of biblical Christianity saying that. As far as so called liberal "Christianity", it's often anything goes in terms of behavior although not as bad as atheism. What is happening among Bible believers as far as this issue?

::Next, you are going to have to pay an independent translator to confirm your report plus say what the news organization's source of this claim is. You have to remember that Germany has a very large population in Europe relatively speaking plus the United States has a population of over 300,000,000 people. Atheists have shown a penchant for deceptiveness so you can't expect your claim is going to be taken at face value. (see: [[Atheism and deception]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:11, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
:::By the way, Germany is seeking to ban bestiality.[http://www.ireland.com/breaking-news/germans-seek-beastiality-ban/665088] Also, someone has a question about German atheists and bestiality.[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120704103506AAQ1tNx] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:48, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::::The user with screen name "Atheism is a religion" who posted the question wouldn't happen to be you, right? [[User:GregG|GregG]] 16:14, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

:::::::::While I'm not sure of the one word, the translation of the phrase is roughly: "The market really blew up after the advent of the internet," says a former producer. "Especially for Germans and Americans is dierenporno (animal porn?) loved." My Dutch dictionary doesn't have it, and I refuse to ask my dad or my family in the Netherlands the definite meaning, given what I believe it is. [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 15:56, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Hi Sharon W. That is a very literal translation, but it should convince Conservative that I am not making anything up here. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]]
:::::::::::My grandfather came from Nieuw Beerta, and my father speaks Dutch fairly well. Me, I can translate the papers I receive from the Netherlands for my genealogy research with the aid of my Hippocrene Dutch-English dictionary, but my grammar is extremely shaky. But I gave it my best shot. [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 19:34, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::::What a coincidence: my father is from exactly that region in the province of Groningen! As were his ancestors. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 03:24, 13 August 2012 (EDT)

::::Conservative, I can't afford to pay a translator. Biblical Christians famously tend to have a lack of cultural and linguistic curiosity, but surely one of your fellow administrators, friends or colleagues must have a working knowledge of Dutch, the language of the country where the Pilgrim Fathers spent some time before going to England and embarking on the Mayflower.
::::The source of the claim is the same as the source of the claim in the article [[Netherlands and bestiality]].
::::By the way, the correct spelling is ''bestiality''. I know it looks a bit odd, but I'm afraid that's the way it is. I guess chaos would ensue if everybody chose their own favorite spelling. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 14:34, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
You gave no source about biblical Christians being tone deaf culturally and linguistically. The Wycliffe Bible translators have translated the entire Bible into 700 languages plus done partial translations in many more languages.[http://www.wycliffe.org/about/statistics.aspx][http://www.wycliffe.org/about/statistics.aspx] Christian missionaries are scattered throughout the globe.[http://www.sim.org/] How many languages has ''The God Delusion'' been translated into? How many atheist missionaries are living in Africa? Christianity has a Great Commission to spread the gospel throughout the earth. Atheism doesn't have a great commission.

Lastly, if you don't have money for a translator, I suggest becoming a Protestant and being imbued with the Protestant work ethic as the atheist work ethic is not working out too well for you. I do have a friend who speaks Dutch and an acquaintance in the Netherlands who speaks Dutch as well. Unfortunately for you, their time is valuable and they would expect to get paid to translate even if I were too ask them to translate the material which I won't. I don't want my friends and acquaintances pestered by atheists - especially a tightfisted atheist who would probably be a deadbeat customer. (see: [[Atheism and charity]] and [[Atheism and morality]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:14, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
:Conservative, there are many online freeware translating sites/pieces of software. If the article were translated by one of these, would you consider that acceptable? Come to think of it, is there a note somewhere in Conservapedia policies about what makes for an acceptable translation? If not, that's something administrators might want to consider adding.--[[User:DTSavage|DTSavage]] 15:36, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

::The source for my claim is as trustworthy as the claim about atheists' deceptiveness. As far as Biblical Christian closed-mindedness and work ethics is concerned: I speak and write seven languages, which allows me to get my information from a variety of news sources and (the irony!) to give spelling lessons to native speakers like you. Anyway, I am sorry your "friends" are too stingy to even do you a small favor.
::Back to the article USA and bestiality. Why do you want it to meet much stricter standards than the other articles about bestiality? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 16:16, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

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==I don't even know what to say about this article...==
I was going to leave Conservapedia but when I see this kind of article, I just can't. Conservative, do you know that you are becoming very offensive? 
I heard that you were always eager to debate. I have a lot of questions about christianity & atheism that I would like to discuss. Would you be willing to answer my questions ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Is the reason why you don't know what to say about the [[Atheism and bestiality]] article is that I pick reputable sources plus have 6 pages of relevant information? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:06, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Then, would you accept my offer to debate ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== Absolutely revolting. Andy Schlafly, please put an end to this. ==

Disgusted. As a Christian I am reviled by this. There are no links that support what this Peter Singer said, merely heresy from another website which doesn't state its sources. Then it is taken to paint a group of people in the same stripe. Absolutely immoral, unsupported filth. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:14, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:What's next? '''''Atheism and mastur<nowiki />bation'''''? Oh wait, [[Conservapedia:Deletedpage|mastur<nowiki />bation]] is a naughty word - even the spam-filter doesn't like it. Bestiality should be added to the list! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 17:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah this is really bad, not that anything else this user has done has been that much better. -1 for lack of fatty fat fat ad hominems and lack of bunny photos. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:20, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::: I suggest [[Atheism and Mass Murder]] or [[Atheism and evolutionary racism | Atheism and Racism]]. Oh wait, it already exists ! That's just great encyclopedic content ! And so objective by the way !--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 17:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::I saw your response and noticed that you started it off with "I suggest..." so I stopped reading it, but here's an article on flying cats instead. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:23, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::there is no support for this claim - this user is trolling. Lowering the tone immensely. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::User:conservative is trying too hard--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It was incredibly easy to find 4 pages of relevant material on this topic. Given the depravity of atheism this is not entirely surprising. As far as what is next, I have not given the topic or timing of my next article on atheism although I have alluded to [[User talk:CamilleT|an upcoming article on atheism]] to a Conservapedian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:11, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is wonderful, when shall we see it? And Conservative, you state that atheists are depraved. I personally know many atheists and none of them are depraved in any way you have implied. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:19, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::SeanS, it is just useless, for Conservative loves to make up a rule from 1 case...--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

==Support ?==
Conservative, could you please provide some support that Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 18:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I cited a source plus in case you are forgetting you are on the information superhighway. I suggest going to a search engine and typing in the words Peter Singer. The reason I am taking you to task is that I think you are being lazy and/or contentious. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:01, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Please avoid being insulting, Conservative. I did actually googled it but I found nothing except from anti-atheists websites (like creation.com) which cannot really be considered as objective on this matter.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Please do not waste my time and second I don't believe you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:30, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh you're right, that's just a waste of time. I forgot that Conservapedia is not a democracy, it's all about aristocracy: the king Andy who rules his kingdom seconded by his lords. And when Lord Conservative speaks, no one may dare oppose him. Thanks for reminding me of this.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== Error ==

Where ever you copied this from, Conservative. There's a misplaced "2" in your Stalin paragraph (clearly should have been a reference).
There's also a typo in reference #11.
[[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 02:46, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks, removed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:28, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== To Aschlafly: Unprotect request ==

As it appears you believe this article adds to Conservapedia's value as an educational resource, can you please unprotect it - and make sure it '''stays''' unprotected - so that the entire CP community can help to improve it? Thanks. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 21:57, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

== Extension suggestion ==

Could someone add the passages of the Scripture regarding bestiality (Leviticus 18: v 23, Leviticus 20: v 15 and Deuteronomy 27: v 21)please?
I would also suggest an historic part about bestiality in Europe (for instance the story of ''Leda and the swan'' in ancient Greek mythology) and how the rise of christianity helped to rid Europe and the world of bestiality. Or would that be a stand-alone article? À Dieu --[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 14:53, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Added Bible versus. Second, please create a section/article here [[User: VProppand/atheism-bestiality-Europe]] and focus on how/why Christianity helped greatly reduce bestiality in Europe and then I can add it. Also, if there is somewhat of a resurgence in bestiality in a Europe that is less Christianized and you can document it in a non-salacious way, then do that too. Please make sure you use reputable sources (not salacious sources) and I would prefer no pictures. Indicate on this talk page when you are done. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
:::VPropp, here are sources that are interesting and it relates to history: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7858632 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239958 Also, I can check back on this web page to see if you did the article. When should I check back? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

==Psst! I got a secret for you...==

As the author of this entry is quite fond of touting how prominently their articles show up in search results... one has to ask: why is [[User:Conservative]] purposely trying to undermine his/her own efforts? And by extension, Conservapedia as a whole? I am sure that the author of this very encyclopedic entry is well aware that most God fearing people enable the "Safe Search" feature so as not to be assaulted with any vile anti-Christian filth. Well guess what chief? With safe search on, the most popular search engine in the world filters out all pages containing the word ''bestiality''. So go right on adding that word to your feverish heart's content. But keep in mind that every page you pepper with your current favorite word, is another page that disappears from millions of search results. You're welcome. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 22:51, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::::You claim the article is anti-Christian, but you failed to show it. Seeing that the Bible mentions bestiality 4 times, I think you face an uphill battle in proving your claim. You are just upset because it shows atheists and secular societies in a bad light. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:06, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
::Who said I created this article to get web traffic? Second, are search engines the only way to get web traffic? I have found that cognitive flexibility and logical thinking are not strengths of many atheists. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:39, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::What do you think is better access than a search engine ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:28, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::All God fearing Christians use the GoodSearch search engine to rack up donations for their favorite Christian charities and [http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=atheism+and+bestiality as you can see for yourself] this article does quite well at Goodsearch. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:13, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::The what? Never 'eard of it, nor have my biblical literalist conservative god fearing parents, nor my biblical literalist conservative god fearing church. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 10:35, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::A Conservapedian told me about it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:56, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Anyways, it is a moot point. Most of the web traffic to the article is probably going to be caused by internal traffic from Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== For what it's worth ==

For what it's worth, I do think there is something of an omission in all these articles, which is any examples of atheists who have actually committed bestiality. It's mostly about them not condemning it, which is unbiblical, but which I think is just as likely to stem from naivety (not having thought a great deal about what the practice actually entails) as from depravity.

Can anyone suggest any prominent atheists who commit bestiality as well as condoning it?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:01, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

:Another thought: of course it's relevant to cite the Bible, but fully half of the verses that mention it (two) recommend the death penalty for bestialters. Should this be mentioned? Do any countries currently execute for this crime?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

::I can't find any examples. To be honest I wouldn't expect many people, atheists or otherwise, to go around condemning bestiality all the time. Constant condemnation of a pretty rare practice seems to imply that you're thinking about it to a degree that's not... entirely normal. Anyway I've lived in the UK for 40 years and the only time bestiality ever gets mentioned is when people make jokes about the Welsh, so it would be fair to say it's not a big social issue here. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:18, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::re: CPalmner's above comments: If someone wants to do research on the atheist Marquis de Sade and the Oxford nihilist A.C Swindburne that would be fine. Here is what I found: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/swinburne/acsbio1.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:20, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Also, I seem to recall that Conservapedia has a list of atheist killers/serial killers and my guess is that some of them may have engaged in this act. Again, this would require more research. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That link says nothing about de Sade practicing bestiality and only says that Swindburne circulated a story about it; it also points out that he frequently spread untrue stories about himself. This isn't evidence. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:35, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
Actually, I think the article says the Wilde accused him of spreading stories which is not the same thing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I know Jeffrey Dahmer was an evolutionist and he may have been an atheist. I don't know. He seems to have done evil things to animals but I don't know the specifics http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/03/john-coopes.html
:::::This website indicates that Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist: http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ If memory serves, I do realize he converted to Christianity in jail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:43, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but is there any evidence that Dahmer committed bestiality? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The fact is that both atheists and Christians practice bestiality (don't even get me started on muslims) and what we need is evidence that atheists are more likely to do so. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
I was very clear that I said I don't know and I only have a report he did evil things to animals. You seem awfully defensive. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:04, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not being defensive; I'm just suggesting that if we want to suggest a link between atheism and bestiality it would be nice to have evidence that a higher percentage of atheists than Christians commit it. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:07, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::ThomasMacD, Conservapedia allows for original research that can be verified to be true. Feel free to do some original research on this issue. Best wishes on getting your grant studying this issue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:27, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== "...in wake of homosexual marriage being legalized in France." ==

Homosexual marriage has not been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:39, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Corrected. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:13, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::No it's not. There is still a section with a headline that says that homosexual marriage has been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:18, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:39, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

== Christian apologist William Lane Craig declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about ==

Christian apologist [[William Lane Craig]], who is considered of Christianity's foremost apologist, declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofDChlSILU See Question and answer section of debate] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:31, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Janet thinks the atheist Christopher Hitchens was a coward when addressing this issue.[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111024155341AA5a9xI] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:50, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue ==

mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue, podcast: http://shockawenow.webs.com/apps/podcast/podcast/159439 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:07, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
::Debate was with agnostic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:48, 19 February 2012 (EST)

== The United States and Bestiality ==

The [http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Nederland/article/detail/2248057/2007/04/05/Nederland-verspreidt-meeste-dierenporno.dhtml Dutch newspaper article] quoted in the main source for [[Netherlands and bestiality]] also reports that bestiality videos are especially popular among Germans and Americans ("Vooral bij Duitsers en Amerikanen is dierenporno geliefd"). Approximately 80% of all USA citizens are Christians. Chlamydia has been steadily [http://www.avert.org/std-statistics-america.htm on the rise] in the Christian USA. Evolution is [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html less accepted in the US] than in other Western countries.

Should I add these data to the article or do they warrant a separate article on the US and bestiality? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 08:15, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::Biblical Christianity is against beastiality. While you have high profile atheists saying they are ok with beastiality, you don't have proponents of biblical Christianity saying that. As far as so called liberal "Christianity", it's often anything goes in terms of behavior although not as bad as atheism. What is happening among Bible believers as far as this issue?

::Next, you are going to have to pay an independent translator to confirm your report plus say what the news organization's source of this claim is. You have to remember that Germany has a very large population in Europe relatively speaking plus the United States has a population of over 300,000,000 people. Atheists have shown a penchant for deceptiveness so you can't expect your claim is going to be taken at face value. (see: [[Atheism and deception]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:11, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
:::By the way, Germany is seeking to ban bestiality.[http://www.ireland.com/breaking-news/germans-seek-beastiality-ban/665088] Also, someone has a question about German atheists and bestiality.[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120704103506AAQ1tNx] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:48, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::::The user with screen name "Atheism is a religion" who posted the question wouldn't happen to be you, right? [[User:GregG|GregG]] 16:14, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

:::::::::While I'm not sure of the one word, the translation of the phrase is roughly: "The market really blew up after the advent of the internet," says a former producer. "Especially for Germans and Americans is dierenporno (animal porn?) loved." My Dutch dictionary doesn't have it, and I refuse to ask my dad or my family in the Netherlands the definite meaning, given what I believe it is. [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 15:56, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::::::::::Hi Sharon W. That is a very literal translation, but it should convince Conservative that I am not making anything up here. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]]

::::Conservative, I can't afford to pay a translator. Biblical Christians famously tend to have a lack of cultural and linguistic curiosity, but surely one of your fellow administrators, friends or colleagues must have a working knowledge of Dutch, the language of the country where the Pilgrim Fathers spent some time before going to England and embarking on the Mayflower.
::::The source of the claim is the same as the source of the claim in the article [[Netherlands and bestiality]].
::::By the way, the correct spelling is ''bestiality''. I know it looks a bit odd, but I'm afraid that's the way it is. I guess chaos would ensue if everybody chose their own favorite spelling. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 14:34, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
You gave no source about biblical Christians being tone deaf culturally and linguistically. The Wycliffe Bible translators have translated the entire Bible into 700 languages plus done partial translations in many more languages.[http://www.wycliffe.org/about/statistics.aspx][http://www.wycliffe.org/about/statistics.aspx] Christian missionaries are scattered throughout the globe.[http://www.sim.org/] How many languages has ''The God Delusion'' been translated into? How many atheist missionaries are living in Africa? Christianity has a Great Commission to spread the gospel throughout the earth. Atheism doesn't have a great commission.

Lastly, if you don't have money for a translator, I suggest becoming a Protestant and being imbued with the Protestant work ethic as the atheist work ethic is not working out too well for you. I do have a friend who speaks Dutch and an acquaintance in the Netherlands who speaks Dutch as well. Unfortunately for you, their time is valuable and they would expect to get paid to translate even if I were too ask them to translate the material which I won't. I don't want my friends and acquaintances pestered by atheists - especially a tightfisted atheist who would probably be a deadbeat customer. (see: [[Atheism and charity]] and [[Atheism and morality]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:14, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
:Conservative, there are many online freeware translating sites/pieces of software. If the article were translated by one of these, would you consider that acceptable? Come to think of it, is there a note somewhere in Conservapedia policies about what makes for an acceptable translation? If not, that's something administrators might want to consider adding.--[[User:DTSavage|DTSavage]] 15:36, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

::The source for my claim is as trustworthy as the claim about atheists' deceptiveness. As far as Biblical Christian closed-mindedness and work ethics is concerned: I speak and write seven languages, which allows me to get my information from a variety of news sources and (the irony!) to give spelling lessons to native speakers like you. Anyway, I am sorry your "friends" are too stingy to even do you a small favor.
::Back to the article USA and bestiality. Why do you want it to meet much stricter standards than the other articles about bestiality? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 16:16, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2012-08-12T20:16:09Z

Baobab: /* The United States and Bestiality */

==I don't even know what to say about this article...==
I was going to leave Conservapedia but when I see this kind of article, I just can't. Conservative, do you know that you are becoming very offensive? 
I heard that you were always eager to debate. I have a lot of questions about christianity & atheism that I would like to discuss. Would you be willing to answer my questions ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Is the reason why you don't know what to say about the [[Atheism and bestiality]] article is that I pick reputable sources plus have 6 pages of relevant information? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:06, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Then, would you accept my offer to debate ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== Absolutely revolting. Andy Schlafly, please put an end to this. ==

Disgusted. As a Christian I am reviled by this. There are no links that support what this Peter Singer said, merely heresy from another website which doesn't state its sources. Then it is taken to paint a group of people in the same stripe. Absolutely immoral, unsupported filth. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:14, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:What's next? '''''Atheism and mastur<nowiki />bation'''''? Oh wait, [[Conservapedia:Deletedpage|mastur<nowiki />bation]] is a naughty word - even the spam-filter doesn't like it. Bestiality should be added to the list! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 17:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah this is really bad, not that anything else this user has done has been that much better. -1 for lack of fatty fat fat ad hominems and lack of bunny photos. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:20, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::: I suggest [[Atheism and Mass Murder]] or [[Atheism and evolutionary racism | Atheism and Racism]]. Oh wait, it already exists ! That's just great encyclopedic content ! And so objective by the way !--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 17:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::I saw your response and noticed that you started it off with "I suggest..." so I stopped reading it, but here's an article on flying cats instead. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:23, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::there is no support for this claim - this user is trolling. Lowering the tone immensely. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::User:conservative is trying too hard--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It was incredibly easy to find 4 pages of relevant material on this topic. Given the depravity of atheism this is not entirely surprising. As far as what is next, I have not given the topic or timing of my next article on atheism although I have alluded to [[User talk:CamilleT|an upcoming article on atheism]] to a Conservapedian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:11, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is wonderful, when shall we see it? And Conservative, you state that atheists are depraved. I personally know many atheists and none of them are depraved in any way you have implied. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:19, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::SeanS, it is just useless, for Conservative loves to make up a rule from 1 case...--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

==Support ?==
Conservative, could you please provide some support that Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 18:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I cited a source plus in case you are forgetting you are on the information superhighway. I suggest going to a search engine and typing in the words Peter Singer. The reason I am taking you to task is that I think you are being lazy and/or contentious. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:01, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Please avoid being insulting, Conservative. I did actually googled it but I found nothing except from anti-atheists websites (like creation.com) which cannot really be considered as objective on this matter.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Please do not waste my time and second I don't believe you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:30, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh you're right, that's just a waste of time. I forgot that Conservapedia is not a democracy, it's all about aristocracy: the king Andy who rules his kingdom seconded by his lords. And when Lord Conservative speaks, no one may dare oppose him. Thanks for reminding me of this.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== Error ==

Where ever you copied this from, Conservative. There's a misplaced "2" in your Stalin paragraph (clearly should have been a reference).
There's also a typo in reference #11.
[[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 02:46, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks, removed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:28, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== To Aschlafly: Unprotect request ==

As it appears you believe this article adds to Conservapedia's value as an educational resource, can you please unprotect it - and make sure it '''stays''' unprotected - so that the entire CP community can help to improve it? Thanks. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 21:57, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

== Extension suggestion ==

Could someone add the passages of the Scripture regarding bestiality (Leviticus 18: v 23, Leviticus 20: v 15 and Deuteronomy 27: v 21)please?
I would also suggest an historic part about bestiality in Europe (for instance the story of ''Leda and the swan'' in ancient Greek mythology) and how the rise of christianity helped to rid Europe and the world of bestiality. Or would that be a stand-alone article? À Dieu --[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 14:53, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Added Bible versus. Second, please create a section/article here [[User: VProppand/atheism-bestiality-Europe]] and focus on how/why Christianity helped greatly reduce bestiality in Europe and then I can add it. Also, if there is somewhat of a resurgence in bestiality in a Europe that is less Christianized and you can document it in a non-salacious way, then do that too. Please make sure you use reputable sources (not salacious sources) and I would prefer no pictures. Indicate on this talk page when you are done. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
:::VPropp, here are sources that are interesting and it relates to history: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7858632 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239958 Also, I can check back on this web page to see if you did the article. When should I check back? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

==Psst! I got a secret for you...==

As the author of this entry is quite fond of touting how prominently their articles show up in search results... one has to ask: why is [[User:Conservative]] purposely trying to undermine his/her own efforts? And by extension, Conservapedia as a whole? I am sure that the author of this very encyclopedic entry is well aware that most God fearing people enable the "Safe Search" feature so as not to be assaulted with any vile anti-Christian filth. Well guess what chief? With safe search on, the most popular search engine in the world filters out all pages containing the word ''bestiality''. So go right on adding that word to your feverish heart's content. But keep in mind that every page you pepper with your current favorite word, is another page that disappears from millions of search results. You're welcome. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 22:51, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::::You claim the article is anti-Christian, but you failed to show it. Seeing that the Bible mentions bestiality 4 times, I think you face an uphill battle in proving your claim. You are just upset because it shows atheists and secular societies in a bad light. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:06, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
::Who said I created this article to get web traffic? Second, are search engines the only way to get web traffic? I have found that cognitive flexibility and logical thinking are not strengths of many atheists. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:39, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::What do you think is better access than a search engine ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:28, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::All God fearing Christians use the GoodSearch search engine to rack up donations for their favorite Christian charities and [http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=atheism+and+bestiality as you can see for yourself] this article does quite well at Goodsearch. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:13, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::The what? Never 'eard of it, nor have my biblical literalist conservative god fearing parents, nor my biblical literalist conservative god fearing church. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 10:35, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::A Conservapedian told me about it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:56, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Anyways, it is a moot point. Most of the web traffic to the article is probably going to be caused by internal traffic from Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== For what it's worth ==

For what it's worth, I do think there is something of an omission in all these articles, which is any examples of atheists who have actually committed bestiality. It's mostly about them not condemning it, which is unbiblical, but which I think is just as likely to stem from naivety (not having thought a great deal about what the practice actually entails) as from depravity.

Can anyone suggest any prominent atheists who commit bestiality as well as condoning it?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:01, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

:Another thought: of course it's relevant to cite the Bible, but fully half of the verses that mention it (two) recommend the death penalty for bestialters. Should this be mentioned? Do any countries currently execute for this crime?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

::I can't find any examples. To be honest I wouldn't expect many people, atheists or otherwise, to go around condemning bestiality all the time. Constant condemnation of a pretty rare practice seems to imply that you're thinking about it to a degree that's not... entirely normal. Anyway I've lived in the UK for 40 years and the only time bestiality ever gets mentioned is when people make jokes about the Welsh, so it would be fair to say it's not a big social issue here. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:18, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::re: CPalmner's above comments: If someone wants to do research on the atheist Marquis de Sade and the Oxford nihilist A.C Swindburne that would be fine. Here is what I found: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/swinburne/acsbio1.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:20, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Also, I seem to recall that Conservapedia has a list of atheist killers/serial killers and my guess is that some of them may have engaged in this act. Again, this would require more research. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That link says nothing about de Sade practicing bestiality and only says that Swindburne circulated a story about it; it also points out that he frequently spread untrue stories about himself. This isn't evidence. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:35, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
Actually, I think the article says the Wilde accused him of spreading stories which is not the same thing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I know Jeffrey Dahmer was an evolutionist and he may have been an atheist. I don't know. He seems to have done evil things to animals but I don't know the specifics http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/03/john-coopes.html
:::::This website indicates that Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist: http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ If memory serves, I do realize he converted to Christianity in jail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:43, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but is there any evidence that Dahmer committed bestiality? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The fact is that both atheists and Christians practice bestiality (don't even get me started on muslims) and what we need is evidence that atheists are more likely to do so. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
I was very clear that I said I don't know and I only have a report he did evil things to animals. You seem awfully defensive. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:04, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not being defensive; I'm just suggesting that if we want to suggest a link between atheism and bestiality it would be nice to have evidence that a higher percentage of atheists than Christians commit it. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:07, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::ThomasMacD, Conservapedia allows for original research that can be verified to be true. Feel free to do some original research on this issue. Best wishes on getting your grant studying this issue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:27, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== "...in wake of homosexual marriage being legalized in France." ==

Homosexual marriage has not been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:39, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Corrected. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:13, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::No it's not. There is still a section with a headline that says that homosexual marriage has been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:18, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:39, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

== Christian apologist William Lane Craig declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about ==

Christian apologist [[William Lane Craig]], who is considered of Christianity's foremost apologist, declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofDChlSILU See Question and answer section of debate] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:31, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Janet thinks the atheist Christopher Hitchens was a coward when addressing this issue.[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111024155341AA5a9xI] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:50, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue ==

mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue, podcast: http://shockawenow.webs.com/apps/podcast/podcast/159439 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:07, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
::Debate was with agnostic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:48, 19 February 2012 (EST)

== The United States and Bestiality ==

The [http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Nederland/article/detail/2248057/2007/04/05/Nederland-verspreidt-meeste-dierenporno.dhtml Dutch newspaper article] quoted in the main source for [[Netherlands and bestiality]] also reports that bestiality videos are especially popular among Germans and Americans ("Vooral bij Duitsers en Amerikanen is dierenporno geliefd"). Approximately 80% of all USA citizens are Christians. Chlamydia has been steadily [http://www.avert.org/std-statistics-america.htm on the rise] in the Christian USA. Evolution is [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html less accepted in the US] than in other Western countries.

Should I add these data to the article or do they warrant a separate article on the US and bestiality? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 08:15, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::Biblical Christianity is against beastiality. While you have high profile atheists saying they are ok with beastiality, you don't have proponents of biblical Christianity saying that. As far as so called liberal "Christianity", it's often anything goes in terms of behavior although not as bad as atheism. What is happening among Bible believers as far as this issue?

::Next, you are going to have to pay an independent translator to confirm your report plus say what the news organization's source of this claim is. You have to remember that Germany has a very large population in Europe relatively speaking plus the United States has a population of over 300,000,000 people. Atheists have shown a penchant for deceptiveness so you can't expect your claim is going to be taken at face value. (see: [[Atheism and deception]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:11, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
:::By the way, Germany is seeking to ban bestiality.[http://www.ireland.com/breaking-news/germans-seek-beastiality-ban/665088] Also, someone has a question about German atheists and bestiality.[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120704103506AAQ1tNx] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:48, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::::The user with screen name "Atheism is a religion" who posted the question wouldn't happen to be you, right? [[User:GregG|GregG]] 16:14, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

:::::::::While I'm not sure of the one word, the translation of the phrase is roughly: "The market really blew up after the advent of the internet," says a former producer. "Especially for Germans and Americans is dierenporno (animal porn?) loved." My Dutch dictionary doesn't have it, and I refuse to ask my dad or my family in the Netherlands the definite meaning, given what I believe it is. [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 15:56, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

::::Conservative, I can't afford to pay a translator. Biblical Christians famously tend to have a lack of cultural and linguistic curiosity, but surely one of your fellow administrators, friends or colleagues must have a working knowledge of Dutch, the language of the country where the Pilgrim Fathers spent some time before going to England and embarking on the Mayflower.
::::The source of the claim is the same as the source of the claim in the article [[Netherlands and bestiality]].
::::By the way, the correct spelling is ''bestiality''. I know it looks a bit odd, but I'm afraid that's the way it is. I guess chaos would ensue if everybody chose their own favorite spelling. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 14:34, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
You gave no source about biblical Christians being tone deaf culturally and linguistically. The Wycliffe Bible translators have translated the entire Bible into 700 languages plus done partial translations in many more languages.[http://www.wycliffe.org/about/statistics.aspx][http://www.wycliffe.org/about/statistics.aspx] Christian missionaries are scattered throughout the globe.[http://www.sim.org/] How many languages has ''The God Delusion'' been translated into? How many atheist missionaries are living in Africa? Christianity has a Great Commission to spread the gospel throughout the earth. Atheism doesn't have a great commission.

Lastly, if you don't have money for a translator, I suggest becoming a Protestant and being imbued with the Protestant work ethic as the atheist work ethic is not working out too well for you. I do have a friend who speaks Dutch and an acquaintance in the Netherlands who speaks Dutch as well. Unfortunately for you, their time is valuable and they would expect to get paid to translate even if I were too ask them to translate the material which I won't. I don't want my friends and acquaintances pestered by atheists - especially a tightfisted atheist who would probably be a deadbeat customer. (see: [[Atheism and charity]] and [[Atheism and morality]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:14, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
:Conservative, there are many online freeware translating sites/pieces of software. If the article were translated by one of these, would you consider that acceptable? Come to think of it, is there a note somewhere in Conservapedia policies about what makes for an acceptable translation? If not, that's something administrators might want to consider adding.--[[User:DTSavage|DTSavage]] 15:36, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

::The source for my claim is as trustworthy as the claim about atheists' deceptiveness. As far as Biblical Christian closed-mindedness and work ethics is concerned: I speak and write seven languages, which allows me to get my information from a variety of news sources and (the irony!) to give spelling lessons to native speakers like you. Anyway, I am sorry your "friends" are too stingy to even do you a small favor.
::Back to the article USA and bestiality. Why do you want it to meet much stricter standards than the other articles about bestiality? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 16:16, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2012-08-12T18:34:29Z

Baobab: /* The United States and Bestiality */

==I don't even know what to say about this article...==
I was going to leave Conservapedia but when I see this kind of article, I just can't. Conservative, do you know that you are becoming very offensive? 
I heard that you were always eager to debate. I have a lot of questions about christianity & atheism that I would like to discuss. Would you be willing to answer my questions ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Is the reason why you don't know what to say about the [[Atheism and bestiality]] article is that I pick reputable sources plus have 6 pages of relevant information? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:06, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Then, would you accept my offer to debate ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== Absolutely revolting. Andy Schlafly, please put an end to this. ==

Disgusted. As a Christian I am reviled by this. There are no links that support what this Peter Singer said, merely heresy from another website which doesn't state its sources. Then it is taken to paint a group of people in the same stripe. Absolutely immoral, unsupported filth. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:14, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:What's next? '''''Atheism and mastur<nowiki />bation'''''? Oh wait, [[Conservapedia:Deletedpage|mastur<nowiki />bation]] is a naughty word - even the spam-filter doesn't like it. Bestiality should be added to the list! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 17:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah this is really bad, not that anything else this user has done has been that much better. -1 for lack of fatty fat fat ad hominems and lack of bunny photos. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:20, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::: I suggest [[Atheism and Mass Murder]] or [[Atheism and evolutionary racism | Atheism and Racism]]. Oh wait, it already exists ! That's just great encyclopedic content ! And so objective by the way !--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 17:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::I saw your response and noticed that you started it off with "I suggest..." so I stopped reading it, but here's an article on flying cats instead. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:23, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::there is no support for this claim - this user is trolling. Lowering the tone immensely. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::User:conservative is trying too hard--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It was incredibly easy to find 4 pages of relevant material on this topic. Given the depravity of atheism this is not entirely surprising. As far as what is next, I have not given the topic or timing of my next article on atheism although I have alluded to [[User talk:CamilleT|an upcoming article on atheism]] to a Conservapedian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:11, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is wonderful, when shall we see it? And Conservative, you state that atheists are depraved. I personally know many atheists and none of them are depraved in any way you have implied. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:19, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::SeanS, it is just useless, for Conservative loves to make up a rule from 1 case...--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

==Support ?==
Conservative, could you please provide some support that Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 18:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I cited a source plus in case you are forgetting you are on the information superhighway. I suggest going to a search engine and typing in the words Peter Singer. The reason I am taking you to task is that I think you are being lazy and/or contentious. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:01, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Please avoid being insulting, Conservative. I did actually googled it but I found nothing except from anti-atheists websites (like creation.com) which cannot really be considered as objective on this matter.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Please do not waste my time and second I don't believe you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:30, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh you're right, that's just a waste of time. I forgot that Conservapedia is not a democracy, it's all about aristocracy: the king Andy who rules his kingdom seconded by his lords. And when Lord Conservative speaks, no one may dare oppose him. Thanks for reminding me of this.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== Error ==

Where ever you copied this from, Conservative. There's a misplaced "2" in your Stalin paragraph (clearly should have been a reference).
There's also a typo in reference #11.
[[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 02:46, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks, removed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:28, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== To Aschlafly: Unprotect request ==

As it appears you believe this article adds to Conservapedia's value as an educational resource, can you please unprotect it - and make sure it '''stays''' unprotected - so that the entire CP community can help to improve it? Thanks. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 21:57, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

== Extension suggestion ==

Could someone add the passages of the Scripture regarding bestiality (Leviticus 18: v 23, Leviticus 20: v 15 and Deuteronomy 27: v 21)please?
I would also suggest an historic part about bestiality in Europe (for instance the story of ''Leda and the swan'' in ancient Greek mythology) and how the rise of christianity helped to rid Europe and the world of bestiality. Or would that be a stand-alone article? À Dieu --[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 14:53, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Added Bible versus. Second, please create a section/article here [[User: VProppand/atheism-bestiality-Europe]] and focus on how/why Christianity helped greatly reduce bestiality in Europe and then I can add it. Also, if there is somewhat of a resurgence in bestiality in a Europe that is less Christianized and you can document it in a non-salacious way, then do that too. Please make sure you use reputable sources (not salacious sources) and I would prefer no pictures. Indicate on this talk page when you are done. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
:::VPropp, here are sources that are interesting and it relates to history: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7858632 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239958 Also, I can check back on this web page to see if you did the article. When should I check back? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

==Psst! I got a secret for you...==

As the author of this entry is quite fond of touting how prominently their articles show up in search results... one has to ask: why is [[User:Conservative]] purposely trying to undermine his/her own efforts? And by extension, Conservapedia as a whole? I am sure that the author of this very encyclopedic entry is well aware that most God fearing people enable the "Safe Search" feature so as not to be assaulted with any vile anti-Christian filth. Well guess what chief? With safe search on, the most popular search engine in the world filters out all pages containing the word ''bestiality''. So go right on adding that word to your feverish heart's content. But keep in mind that every page you pepper with your current favorite word, is another page that disappears from millions of search results. You're welcome. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 22:51, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::::You claim the article is anti-Christian, but you failed to show it. Seeing that the Bible mentions bestiality 4 times, I think you face an uphill battle in proving your claim. You are just upset because it shows atheists and secular societies in a bad light. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:06, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
::Who said I created this article to get web traffic? Second, are search engines the only way to get web traffic? I have found that cognitive flexibility and logical thinking are not strengths of many atheists. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:39, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::What do you think is better access than a search engine ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:28, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::All God fearing Christians use the GoodSearch search engine to rack up donations for their favorite Christian charities and [http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=atheism+and+bestiality as you can see for yourself] this article does quite well at Goodsearch. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:13, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::The what? Never 'eard of it, nor have my biblical literalist conservative god fearing parents, nor my biblical literalist conservative god fearing church. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 10:35, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::A Conservapedian told me about it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:56, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Anyways, it is a moot point. Most of the web traffic to the article is probably going to be caused by internal traffic from Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== For what it's worth ==

For what it's worth, I do think there is something of an omission in all these articles, which is any examples of atheists who have actually committed bestiality. It's mostly about them not condemning it, which is unbiblical, but which I think is just as likely to stem from naivety (not having thought a great deal about what the practice actually entails) as from depravity.

Can anyone suggest any prominent atheists who commit bestiality as well as condoning it?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:01, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

:Another thought: of course it's relevant to cite the Bible, but fully half of the verses that mention it (two) recommend the death penalty for bestialters. Should this be mentioned? Do any countries currently execute for this crime?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

::I can't find any examples. To be honest I wouldn't expect many people, atheists or otherwise, to go around condemning bestiality all the time. Constant condemnation of a pretty rare practice seems to imply that you're thinking about it to a degree that's not... entirely normal. Anyway I've lived in the UK for 40 years and the only time bestiality ever gets mentioned is when people make jokes about the Welsh, so it would be fair to say it's not a big social issue here. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:18, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::re: CPalmner's above comments: If someone wants to do research on the atheist Marquis de Sade and the Oxford nihilist A.C Swindburne that would be fine. Here is what I found: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/swinburne/acsbio1.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:20, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Also, I seem to recall that Conservapedia has a list of atheist killers/serial killers and my guess is that some of them may have engaged in this act. Again, this would require more research. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That link says nothing about de Sade practicing bestiality and only says that Swindburne circulated a story about it; it also points out that he frequently spread untrue stories about himself. This isn't evidence. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:35, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
Actually, I think the article says the Wilde accused him of spreading stories which is not the same thing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I know Jeffrey Dahmer was an evolutionist and he may have been an atheist. I don't know. He seems to have done evil things to animals but I don't know the specifics http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/03/john-coopes.html
:::::This website indicates that Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist: http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ If memory serves, I do realize he converted to Christianity in jail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:43, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but is there any evidence that Dahmer committed bestiality? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The fact is that both atheists and Christians practice bestiality (don't even get me started on muslims) and what we need is evidence that atheists are more likely to do so. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
I was very clear that I said I don't know and I only have a report he did evil things to animals. You seem awfully defensive. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:04, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not being defensive; I'm just suggesting that if we want to suggest a link between atheism and bestiality it would be nice to have evidence that a higher percentage of atheists than Christians commit it. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:07, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::ThomasMacD, Conservapedia allows for original research that can be verified to be true. Feel free to do some original research on this issue. Best wishes on getting your grant studying this issue. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:27, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== "...in wake of homosexual marriage being legalized in France." ==

Homosexual marriage has not been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:39, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Corrected. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:13, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::No it's not. There is still a section with a headline that says that homosexual marriage has been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:18, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:39, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

== Christian apologist William Lane Craig declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about ==

Christian apologist [[William Lane Craig]], who is considered of Christianity's foremost apologist, declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofDChlSILU See Question and answer section of debate] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:31, 15 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Janet thinks the atheist Christopher Hitchens was a coward when addressing this issue.[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111024155341AA5a9xI] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:50, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

== mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue ==

mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue, podcast: http://shockawenow.webs.com/apps/podcast/podcast/159439 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:07, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
::Debate was with agnostic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:48, 19 February 2012 (EST)

== The United States and Bestiality ==

The [http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Nederland/article/detail/2248057/2007/04/05/Nederland-verspreidt-meeste-dierenporno.dhtml Dutch newspaper article] quoted in the main source for [[Netherlands and bestiality]] also reports that bestiality videos are especially popular among Germans and Americans ("Vooral bij Duitsers en Amerikanen is dierenporno geliefd"). Approximately 80% of all USA citizens are Christians. Chlamydia has been steadily [http://www.avert.org/std-statistics-america.htm on the rise] in the Christian USA. Evolution is [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html less accepted in the US] than in other Western countries.

Should I add these data to the article or do they warrant a separate article on the US and bestiality? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 08:15, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
::Biblical Christianity is against beastiality. While you have high profile atheists saying they are ok with beastiality, you don't have proponents of biblical Christianity saying that. As far as so called liberal "Christianity", it's often anything goes in terms of behavior although not as bad as atheism. What is happening among Bible believers as far as this issue?

::Next, you are going to have to pay an independent translator to confirm your report plus say what the news organization's source of this claim is. You have to remember that Germany has a very large population in Europe relatively speaking plus the United States has a population of over 300,000,000 people. Atheists have shown a penchant for deceptiveness so you can't expect your claim is going to be taken at face value. (see: [[Atheism and deception]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:11, 12 August 2012 (EDT)
:::By the way, Germany is seeking to ban beastiality.[http://www.ireland.com/breaking-news/germans-seek-beastiality-ban/665088] Also, someone has a question about German atheists and beastiality.[http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120704103506AAQ1tNx] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:48, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

::::Conservative, I can't afford to pay a translator. Biblical Christians famously tend to have a lack of cultural and linguistic curiosity, but surely one of your fellow administrators, friends or colleagues must have a working knowledge of Dutch, the language of the country where the Pilgrim Fathers spent some time before going to England and embarking on the Mayflower.
::::The source of the claim is the same as the source of the claim in the article [[Netherlands and bestiality]].
::::By the way, the correct spelling is ''bestiality''. I know it looks a bit odd, but I'm afraid that's the way it is. I guess chaos would ensue if everybody chose their own favorite spelling. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 14:34, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

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==I don't even know what to say about this article...==
I was going to leave Conservapedia but when I see this kind of article, I just can't. Conservative, do you know that you are becoming very offensive? 
I heard that you were always eager to debate. I have a lot of questions about christianity & atheism that I would like to discuss. Would you be willing to answer my questions ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Is the reason why you don't know what to say about the [[Atheism and bestiality]] article is that I pick reputable sources plus have 6 pages of relevant information? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:06, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Then, would you accept my offer to debate ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== Absolutely revolting. Andy Schlafly, please put an end to this. ==

Disgusted. As a Christian I am reviled by this. There are no links that support what this Peter Singer said, merely heresy from another website which doesn't state its sources. Then it is taken to paint a group of people in the same stripe. Absolutely immoral, unsupported filth. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:14, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:What's next? '''''Atheism and mastur<nowiki />bation'''''? Oh wait, [[Conservapedia:Deletedpage|mastur<nowiki />bation]] is a naughty word - even the spam-filter doesn't like it. Bestiality should be added to the list! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 17:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah this is really bad, not that anything else this user has done has been that much better. -1 for lack of fatty fat fat ad hominems and lack of bunny photos. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:20, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::: I suggest [[Atheism and Mass Murder]] or [[Atheism and evolutionary racism | Atheism and Racism]]. Oh wait, it already exists ! That's just great encyclopedic content ! And so objective by the way !--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 17:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::I saw your response and noticed that you started it off with "I suggest..." so I stopped reading it, but here's an article on flying cats instead. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:23, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::there is no support for this claim - this user is trolling. Lowering the tone immensely. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::User:conservative is trying too hard--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It was incredibly easy to find 4 pages of relevant material on this topic. Given the depravity of atheism this is not entirely surprising. As far as what is next, I have not given the topic or timing of my next article on atheism although I have alluded to [[User talk:CamilleT|an upcoming article on atheism]] to a Conservapedian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:11, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is wonderful, when shall we see it? And Conservative, you state that atheists are depraved. I personally know many atheists and none of them are depraved in any way you have implied. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:19, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::SeanS, it is just useless, for Conservative loves to make up a rule from 1 case...--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

==Support ?==
Conservative, could you please provide some support that Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 18:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I cited a source plus in case you are forgetting you are on the information superhighway. I suggest going to a search engine and typing in the words Peter Singer. The reason I am taking you to task is that I think you are being lazy and/or contentious. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:01, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Please avoid being insulting, Conservative. I did actually googled it but I found nothing except from anti-atheists websites (like creation.com) which cannot really be considered as objective on this matter.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Please do not waste my time and second I don't believe you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:30, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh you're right, that's just a waste of time. I forgot that Conservapedia is not a democracy, it's all about aristocracy: the king Andy who rules his kingdom seconded by his lords. And when Lord Conservative speaks, no one may dare oppose him. Thanks for reminding me of this.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== Error ==

Where ever you copied this from, Conservative. There's a misplaced "2" in your Stalin paragraph (clearly should have been a reference).
There's also a typo in reference #11.
[[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 02:46, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks, removed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:28, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== To Aschlafly: Unprotect request ==

As it appears you believe this article adds to Conservapedia's value as an educational resource, can you please unprotect it - and make sure it '''stays''' unprotected - so that the entire CP community can help to improve it? Thanks. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 21:57, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

== Extension suggestion ==

Could someone add the passages of the Scripture regarding bestiality (Leviticus 18: v 23, Leviticus 20: v 15 and Deuteronomy 27: v 21)please?
I would also suggest an historic part about bestiality in Europe (for instance the story of ''Leda and the swan'' in ancient Greek mythology) and how the rise of christianity helped to rid Europe and the world of bestiality. Or would that be a stand-alone article? À Dieu --[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 14:53, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Added Bible versus. Second, please create a section/article here [[User: VProppand/atheism-bestiality-Europe]] and focus on how/why Christianity helped greatly reduce bestiality in Europe and then I can add it. Also, if there is somewhat of a resurgence in bestiality in a Europe that is less Christianized and you can document it in a non-salacious way, then do that too. Please make sure you use reputable sources (not salacious sources) and I would prefer no pictures. Indicate on this talk page when you are done. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
:::VPropp, here are sources that are interesting and it relates to history: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7858632 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239958 Also, I can check back on this web page to see if you did the article. When should I check back? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

==Psst! I got a secret for you...==

As the author of this entry is quite fond of touting how prominently their articles show up in search results... one has to ask: why is [[User:Conservative]] purposely trying to undermine his/her own efforts? And by extension, Conservapedia as a whole? I am sure that the author of this very encyclopedic entry is well aware that most God fearing people enable the "Safe Search" feature so as not to be assaulted with any vile anti-Christian filth. Well guess what chief? With safe search on, the most popular search engine in the world filters out all pages containing the word ''bestiality''. So go right on adding that word to your feverish heart's content. But keep in mind that every page you pepper with your current favorite word, is another page that disappears from millions of search results. You're welcome. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 22:51, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::::You claim the article is anti-Christian, but you failed to show it. Seeing that the Bible mentions bestiality 4 times, I think you face an uphill battle in proving your claim. You are just upset because it shows atheists and secular societies in a bad light. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:06, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
::Who said I created this article to get web traffic? Second, are search engines the only way to get web traffic? I have found that cognitive flexibility and logical thinking are not strengths of many atheists. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:39, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::What do you think is better access than a search engine ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:28, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::All God fearing Christians use the GoodSearch search engine to rack up donations for their favorite Christian charities and [http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=atheism+and+bestiality as you can see for yourself] this article does quite well at Goodsearch. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:13, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::The what? Never 'eard of it, nor have my biblical literalist conservative god fearing parents, nor my biblical literalist conservative god fearing church. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 10:35, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::A Conservapedian told me about it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:56, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Anyways, it is a moot point. Most of the web traffic to the article is probably going to be caused by internal traffic from Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== For what it's worth ==

For what it's worth, I do think there is something of an omission in all these articles, which is any examples of atheists who have actually committed bestiality. It's mostly about them not condemning it, which is unbiblical, but which I think is just as likely to stem from naivety (not having thought a great deal about what the practice actually entails) as from depravity.

Can anyone suggest any prominent atheists who commit bestiality as well as condoning it?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:01, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

:Another thought: of course it's relevant to cite the Bible, but fully half of the verses that mention it (two) recommend the death penalty for bestialters. Should this be mentioned? Do any countries currently execute for this crime?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

::I can't find any examples. To be honest I wouldn't expect many people, atheists or otherwise, to go around condemning bestiality all the time. Constant condemnation of a pretty rare practice seems to imply that you're thinking about it to a degree that's not... entirely normal. Anyway I've lived in the UK for 40 years and the only time bestiality ever gets mentioned is when people make jokes about the Welsh, so it would be fair to say it's not a big social issue here. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:18, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::re: CPalmner's above comments: If someone wants to do research on the atheist Marquis de Sade and the Oxford nihilist A.C Swindburne that would be fine. Here is what I found: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/swinburne/acsbio1.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:20, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Also, I seem to recall that Conservapedia has a list of atheist killers/serial killers and my guess is that some of them may have engaged in this act. Again, this would require more research. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That link says nothing about de Sade practicing bestiality and only says that Swindburne circulated a story about it; it also points out that he frequently spread untrue stories about himself. This isn't evidence. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:35, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
Actually, I think the article says the Wilde accused him of spreading stories which is not the same thing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I know Jeffrey Dahmer was an evolutionist and he may have been an atheist. I don't know. He seems to have done evil things to animals but I don't know the specifics http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/03/john-coopes.html
:::::This website indicates that Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist: http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ If memory serves, I do realize he converted to Christianity in jail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:43, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but is there any evidence that Dahmer committed bestiality? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The fact is that both atheists and Christians practice bestiality (don't even get me started on muslims) and what we need is evidence that atheists are more likely to do so. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
I was very clear that I said I don't know and I only have a report he did evil things to animals. You seem awfully defensive. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:04, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not being defensive; I'm just suggesting that if we want to suggest a link between atheism and bestiality it would be nice to have evidence that a higher percentage of atheists than Christians commit it. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:07, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== "...in wake of homosexual marriage being legalized in France." ==

Homosexual marriage has not been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:39, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Corrected. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:13, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::No it's not. There is still a section with a headline that says that homosexual marriage has been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:18, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:39, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

== Christian apologist William Lane Craig declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about ==

Christian apologist [[William Lane Craig]], who is considered of Christianity's foremost apologist, declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofDChlSILU See Question and answer section of debate] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:31, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

== mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue ==

mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue, podcast: http://shockawenow.webs.com/apps/podcast/podcast/159439 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:07, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
::Debate was with agnostic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:48, 19 February 2012 (EST)

== Please delete this disgusting article ==

It has no place on any website, much less a website espousing Christian values and claiming to be a Trustworthy Encyclopedia. [[User:JasonV|JasonV]] 08:50, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

== The United States and Bestiality ==

The [http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Nederland/article/detail/2248057/2007/04/05/Nederland-verspreidt-meeste-dierenporno.dhtml Dutch newspaper article] quoted in the main source for [[Netherlands and bestiality]] also reports that bestiality videos are especially popular among Germans and Americans ("Vooral bij Duitsers en Amerikanen is dierenporno geliefd"). Approximately 80% of all USA citizens are Christians. Chlamydia has been steadily [http://www.avert.org/std-statistics-america.htm on the rise] in the Christian USA. Evolution is [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html less accepted in the US] than in other Western countries.

Should I add these data to the article or do they warrant a separate article on the US and bestiality? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 08:15, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Atheism and bestiality

2012-08-12T12:15:17Z

Baobab: /* The United States and Bestiality */ new section

==I don't even know what to say about this article...==
I was going to leave Conservapedia but when I see this kind of article, I just can't. Conservative, do you know that you are becoming very offensive? 
I heard that you were always eager to debate. I have a lot of questions about christianity & atheism that I would like to discuss. Would you be willing to answer my questions ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:56, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Is the reason why you don't know what to say about the [[Atheism and bestiality]] article is that I pick reputable sources plus have 6 pages of relevant information? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:06, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
::::Then, would you accept my offer to debate ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== Absolutely revolting. Andy Schlafly, please put an end to this. ==

Disgusted. As a Christian I am reviled by this. There are no links that support what this Peter Singer said, merely heresy from another website which doesn't state its sources. Then it is taken to paint a group of people in the same stripe. Absolutely immoral, unsupported filth. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:14, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

:What's next? '''''Atheism and mastur<nowiki />bation'''''? Oh wait, [[Conservapedia:Deletedpage|mastur<nowiki />bation]] is a naughty word - even the spam-filter doesn't like it. Bestiality should be added to the list! [[User:RonLar|RonLar]] 17:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah this is really bad, not that anything else this user has done has been that much better. -1 for lack of fatty fat fat ad hominems and lack of bunny photos. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:20, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::: I suggest [[Atheism and Mass Murder]] or [[Atheism and evolutionary racism | Atheism and Racism]]. Oh wait, it already exists ! That's just great encyclopedic content ! And so objective by the way !--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 17:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::I saw your response and noticed that you started it off with "I suggest..." so I stopped reading it, but here's an article on flying cats instead. --[[User:MarkN85|MarkN85]] 17:23, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::there is no support for this claim - this user is trolling. Lowering the tone immensely. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 17:24, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::User:conservative is trying too hard--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 18:32, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::It was incredibly easy to find 4 pages of relevant material on this topic. Given the depravity of atheism this is not entirely surprising. As far as what is next, I have not given the topic or timing of my next article on atheism although I have alluded to [[User talk:CamilleT|an upcoming article on atheism]] to a Conservapedian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:11, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::That is wonderful, when shall we see it? And Conservative, you state that atheists are depraved. I personally know many atheists and none of them are depraved in any way you have implied. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 22:19, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::SeanS, it is just useless, for Conservative loves to make up a rule from 1 case...--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:22, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
If memory serves, the Bible mentions and condemns this practice 4 separate times and it does so in a non-salacious manner. For thousands of years the Bible has been taught to children with very beneficial effects. Conservapedia also condemns this practice and points out it being mentioned inapropriately by members of the immoral worldviews of atheism/evolutionism which denies the existence of God despite the [[Christian apologetics|abundant evidence for God's existence]] and Conservapedia's article does so in a non-salacious manner. The atheistic worldview has a history of mass murder (see: [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] ). Question: Did Moses and God make a mistake by mentioning this practice in the Bible 4 separate times? If so, why? Also, the real issue is that the articles are further pointing out the immorality within atheism/evolutionism and Wikipedia and you don't like it, isn't it? If not, why not? Well, tough. There is no need to cater to liberal censorship in this matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:44, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

==Support ?==
Conservative, could you please provide some support that Peter Singer defends the practice of bestiality ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 18:38, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I cited a source plus in case you are forgetting you are on the information superhighway. I suggest going to a search engine and typing in the words Peter Singer. The reason I am taking you to task is that I think you are being lazy and/or contentious. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 22:01, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Please avoid being insulting, Conservative. I did actually googled it but I found nothing except from anti-atheists websites (like creation.com) which cannot really be considered as objective on this matter.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 22:15, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Please do not waste my time and second I don't believe you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:30, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh you're right, that's just a waste of time. I forgot that Conservapedia is not a democracy, it's all about aristocracy: the king Andy who rules his kingdom seconded by his lords. And when Lord Conservative speaks, no one may dare oppose him. Thanks for reminding me of this.--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:36, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== Error ==

Where ever you copied this from, Conservative. There's a misplaced "2" in your Stalin paragraph (clearly should have been a reference).
There's also a typo in reference #11.
[[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 02:46, 23 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Thanks, removed.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:28, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

== To Aschlafly: Unprotect request ==

As it appears you believe this article adds to Conservapedia's value as an educational resource, can you please unprotect it - and make sure it '''stays''' unprotected - so that the entire CP community can help to improve it? Thanks. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 21:57, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

== Extension suggestion ==

Could someone add the passages of the Scripture regarding bestiality (Leviticus 18: v 23, Leviticus 20: v 15 and Deuteronomy 27: v 21)please?
I would also suggest an historic part about bestiality in Europe (for instance the story of ''Leda and the swan'' in ancient Greek mythology) and how the rise of christianity helped to rid Europe and the world of bestiality. Or would that be a stand-alone article? À Dieu --[[User:VPropp|VPropp]] 14:53, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

Added Bible versus. Second, please create a section/article here [[User: VProppand/atheism-bestiality-Europe]] and focus on how/why Christianity helped greatly reduce bestiality in Europe and then I can add it. Also, if there is somewhat of a resurgence in bestiality in a Europe that is less Christianized and you can document it in a non-salacious way, then do that too. Please make sure you use reputable sources (not salacious sources) and I would prefer no pictures. Indicate on this talk page when you are done. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:17, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
:::VPropp, here are sources that are interesting and it relates to history: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7858632 and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239958 Also, I can check back on this web page to see if you did the article. When should I check back? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:20, 27 September 2011 (EDT)

==Psst! I got a secret for you...==

As the author of this entry is quite fond of touting how prominently their articles show up in search results... one has to ask: why is [[User:Conservative]] purposely trying to undermine his/her own efforts? And by extension, Conservapedia as a whole? I am sure that the author of this very encyclopedic entry is well aware that most God fearing people enable the "Safe Search" feature so as not to be assaulted with any vile anti-Christian filth. Well guess what chief? With safe search on, the most popular search engine in the world filters out all pages containing the word ''bestiality''. So go right on adding that word to your feverish heart's content. But keep in mind that every page you pepper with your current favorite word, is another page that disappears from millions of search results. You're welcome. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 22:51, 27 September 2011 (EDT)
::::You claim the article is anti-Christian, but you failed to show it. Seeing that the Bible mentions bestiality 4 times, I think you face an uphill battle in proving your claim. You are just upset because it shows atheists and secular societies in a bad light. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:06, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
::Who said I created this article to get web traffic? Second, are search engines the only way to get web traffic? I have found that cognitive flexibility and logical thinking are not strengths of many atheists. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:39, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::What do you think is better access than a search engine ?--[[User:ARamis|ARamis]] 16:28, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::All God fearing Christians use the GoodSearch search engine to rack up donations for their favorite Christian charities and [http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=atheism+and+bestiality as you can see for yourself] this article does quite well at Goodsearch. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:13, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::The what? Never 'eard of it, nor have my biblical literalist conservative god fearing parents, nor my biblical literalist conservative god fearing church. --[[User:SeanS|SeanS]] 10:35, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::A Conservapedian told me about it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 10:56, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Anyways, it is a moot point. Most of the web traffic to the article is probably going to be caused by internal traffic from Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:19, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== For what it's worth ==

For what it's worth, I do think there is something of an omission in all these articles, which is any examples of atheists who have actually committed bestiality. It's mostly about them not condemning it, which is unbiblical, but which I think is just as likely to stem from naivety (not having thought a great deal about what the practice actually entails) as from depravity.

Can anyone suggest any prominent atheists who commit bestiality as well as condoning it?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:01, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

:Another thought: of course it's relevant to cite the Bible, but fully half of the verses that mention it (two) recommend the death penalty for bestialters. Should this be mentioned? Do any countries currently execute for this crime?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

::I can't find any examples. To be honest I wouldn't expect many people, atheists or otherwise, to go around condemning bestiality all the time. Constant condemnation of a pretty rare practice seems to imply that you're thinking about it to a degree that's not... entirely normal. Anyway I've lived in the UK for 40 years and the only time bestiality ever gets mentioned is when people make jokes about the Welsh, so it would be fair to say it's not a big social issue here. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 11:18, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::re: CPalmner's above comments: If someone wants to do research on the atheist Marquis de Sade and the Oxford nihilist A.C Swindburne that would be fine. Here is what I found: http://www.victorianweb.org/authors/swinburne/acsbio1.html [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:20, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::Also, I seem to recall that Conservapedia has a list of atheist killers/serial killers and my guess is that some of them may have engaged in this act. Again, this would require more research. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:33, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::That link says nothing about de Sade practicing bestiality and only says that Swindburne circulated a story about it; it also points out that he frequently spread untrue stories about himself. This isn't evidence. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:35, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
Actually, I think the article says the Wilde accused him of spreading stories which is not the same thing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::I know Jeffrey Dahmer was an evolutionist and he may have been an atheist. I don't know. He seems to have done evil things to animals but I don't know the specifics http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2009/03/john-coopes.html
:::::This website indicates that Jeffrey Dahmer was an atheist: http://listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-people-who-give-atheism-a-bad-name/ If memory serves, I do realize he converted to Christianity in jail. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:43, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yes, but is there any evidence that Dahmer committed bestiality? --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 13:49, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::The fact is that both atheists and Christians practice bestiality (don't even get me started on muslims) and what we need is evidence that atheists are more likely to do so. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:02, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
I was very clear that I said I don't know and I only have a report he did evil things to animals. You seem awfully defensive. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:04, 28 September 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not being defensive; I'm just suggesting that if we want to suggest a link between atheism and bestiality it would be nice to have evidence that a higher percentage of atheists than Christians commit it. --[[User:ThomasMacD|ThomasMacD]] 14:07, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== "...in wake of homosexual marriage being legalized in France." ==

Homosexual marriage has not been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:39, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
:::Corrected. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:13, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::No it's not. There is still a section with a headline that says that homosexual marriage has been legalized in France. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] 19:18, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Thanks. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:39, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

== Christian apologist William Lane Craig declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about ==

Christian apologist [[William Lane Craig]], who is considered of Christianity's foremost apologist, declared this issue is a legitimate issue to confront atheists about.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofDChlSILU See Question and answer section of debate] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:31, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

== mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue ==

mention shockofgod debate with President of a florida atheist humanist association on this issue, podcast: http://shockawenow.webs.com/apps/podcast/podcast/159439 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:07, 18 October 2011 (EDT)
::Debate was with agnostic. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:48, 19 February 2012 (EST)

== Please delete this disgusting article ==

It has no place on any website, much less a website espousing Christian values and claiming to be a Trustworthy Encyclopedia. [[User:JasonV|JasonV]] 08:50, 28 April 2012 (EDT)

== The United States and Bestiality ==

The [http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1012/Nederland/article/detail/2248057/2007/04/05/Nederland-verspreidt-meeste-dierenporno.dhtml Dutch newspaper article] quoted in the main source for [[Netherlands and bestiality]] also reports that bestiality videos are especially popular among Germans and Americans ("Vooral bij Duitsers en Amerikanen is dierenporno geliefd"). Approximately 80% of all USA citizens are Christians. Chlamydia has been steadily [http://www.avert.org/std-statistics-america.htm on the rise] in the Christian USA. Evolution is [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html less accepted in the US] than in other Western countries.

Should I add these data to the article or does this warrant a separate article on the US and bestiality? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 08:15, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Physical appearance

2012-08-08T11:59:10Z

Baobab:

A person's '''physical appearance''' is simply what they look like superficially. In the modern world, following the invention first of [[photography]] and then of the [[internet]], it is scarcely conceivable that a person might become famous without their physical appearance being generally known and recognised. However, in other eras of [[history]], this was very possible or even unavoidable.

[[Image:Goya_Royal_Family.jpg‎|right|thumb|290px|A portrait of Charles IV of [[Spain]] and his family. Of course, there is no way of knowing how accurate the likeness is.]]
Before the advent of photography, people's likenesses were recorded in [[painting]]s or [[sculpture]]s. These could often show inaccuracies, either deliberately because the artist idealised the subject, or inadvertently because of a simple lack of skill. Even if they were accurate, onlookers would have to visit or be shown the work in order to see the likeness. Famously, [[Henry VIII]] of [[England]] married his fourth wife Ann of Cleves having only seen her portrait, and was extremely disappointed when he met her in person!

[[Image:Peter_Paul.jpg‎|left|thumb|150px|Saints Peter and Paul. Peter is identified by a [[key]], Paul by a [[sword]]. We have no information on what they actually looked like.]]
In even earlier times, even portraits were rare. Before the [[Renaissance]], painting techniques were often rudimentary or ineffective (so works did not last) and the techniques of artistic observation had not advanced to produce true likenesses, save in exceptional cases. Notice how representations of [[saint]]s, for example, are stylised so that the saints are often identified from the colors of their robes or by the objects they are carrying rather than their physical features.

It seems, given the impossibility of knowing the true appearances one had not personally met, that physical appearance was far less important in earlier times than it is today. Notice that '''the [[Bible]] rarely describes people physically''', except where their physical attributes are important to the story, such as [[Goliath]]'s great size, [[Samson]]'s hair or [[Esau]]'s fur-covered skin. For the most part, people are allowed to be depicted by their actions and their words, so that physical appearance is not considered. The authors of the Bible simply did not consider it at all important.

[[Image:William_taft.jpg‎|right|thumb|190px|The distinguished but corpulent Taft. Would he have been elected in today's appearance-preoccupied world?]]
In fact, [[God]] as described in the [[Old Testament]] is notable for His reluctance to be seen. Idols are forbidden, and even [[Moses]] is only permitted to see God's back, not His face. Of course God could awe people with His appearance, but again he prefers to be known through words and deeds and not superficialities. Contrast this with other (false) gods such as [[Baal]], whose followers made [[idol]]s and graven images wherever they could, but whose deeds were paltry or non-existent, as proved by the [[prophet]] [[Elijah]] and recounted in 1 Kings 18.

In the modern world, however, judgments of those in the public eye are becoming ever more superficial - contrary to the scriptural example. President [[William Howard Taft]] was a greatly obese man who was nonetheless able to be elected to high office and make not inconsiderable achievements; but it in the modern world it seems that any perceived physical defect would count against any candidate. Certainly it seems that politicians generally are becoming younger and more fresh-faced; the recent British Prime Ministers [[David Cameron]] and [[Tony Blair]] were both well below the historical average age for a Prime Minister, as indeed was [[John Major]], while older men such as [[Michael Howard]] and [[David Davis]] have been marginalised and even ridiculed despite their superior experience.
[[category:Psychology]]
[[Category:Painting]]

Talk:Writing Homework Twelve Student Two

2012-05-22T17:12:53Z

Baobab: Created page with ""and James Madison created what is know ["NOW", NOT "KNOW", AND REPETITIVE WITH "TODAY" ANYWAY] today as the most accomplished and well[NEED HYPHEN]ordered invention in the histo..."

"and James Madison created what is know ["NOW", NOT "KNOW", AND REPETITIVE WITH "TODAY" ANYWAY] today as the most accomplished and well[NEED HYPHEN]ordered invention in the history of man kind"

I don't think Aschlafly's assumption that Student Two meant to write "now" instead of "know" is correct. Student Two meant to write "known" instead of "know": "and James Madison created what is known today as the most accomplished and well-ordered invention in the history of man kind."

EFFORT 10/10
ACCURACY 7/10

[[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 13:12, 22 May 2012 (EDT)

Dialect

2012-04-10T19:33:29Z

Baobab: minor correction and deletion of sentence ("some accent only subdialects"?)

A '''dialect''' is a subset of a particular [[language]] that generally presents regional differences in pronunciation, grammar characteristics, and vocabulary, yet remains mutually understandable between two native speakers. An "accent" is an even smaller group of the language that generally only involves pronunciation.

As an illustration, some dialects of [[English]] include: American English (as distinct from British English or Austriallian English at large), Appalachian English, Black English Vernacular, New York City Dialect (sometimes considered only an accent), Cajun English, Texan.

==External Links==
International dialects of English [http://web.ku.edu/idea/northamerica/northamerica.htm]
National Map of Dialects of the United States [http://www.ling.upenn.edu/phono_atlas/NationalMap/NationalMap.html]
link showing dialects vs. accents [http://www.evolpub.com/Americandialects/EngDialLnx.html]
[[Category:Linguistics]]

Talk:Mystery:Did a Fake Fidel Castro Meet the Pope?

2012-03-30T13:20:25Z

Baobab: /* Do you love being told your wrong? */

==Body Doubles==
Castro was well known to have body doubles available in case of an emergency. Seeing as he was in such poor health a few years ago, and is now well enough to see the Pope, it is only logical to conclude that it probably isn't the same guy.
http://libertarianalliance.wordpress.com/2010/07/12/dead-castros-body-double-looking-moderately-healthy/

[[User:OllieB|OllieB]] 20:29, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

:The beard in the photos released today for the purported Fidel Castro is also slightly different from Castro's.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:36, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

::So you can't think of any seriously ill person who recovered somewhat in a mere six years? Sorry, this is daft. What evidence would it take to convince some people that Castro is still alive? Is there ''anything'' that won't be dismissed as a fake?

::People can shrink several inches as they age, by the way. Castro was 6'3" when he was young; Ratzinger is 5'7" NOW. And my beard is slightly different to how it was last week because I trimmed it on Saturday, like I do every week, to look smart in church. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 20:40, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

:::Actually, the Pope would have shrunk by more than Castro, I think. And do you think the shape of a nose changes from sloping slightly upward to sloping downward in just a few years?!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:42, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

::::What I think is that the nose in these photos is exactly the same shape as the nose in a 2003 photo of Castro. As for the pope, as I said he is 5'7" ''now''. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 20:46, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

:::Castro has a long history of using body doubles. It is unlikely that Havana would simply stop using them once he died. Or perhaps you think that the Cuban government wants Castro-lookalikes roaming the streets of Havana! Ridiculous! [[User:OllieB|OllieB]] 20:50, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

::::I don't see why not. The main reason that dictators use body doubles is to hide their movements or act as a decoy for potential assassins. Neither of these uses is much help to a dead man. The fact is that there is no evidence ''whatsoever'' that Castro is dead, but multiple photos and videos of him and records of several meetings in the last two years with individuals including the pope and the president of Brazil. Sure, they ''could'' all be body doubles, but you can say the same for anyone. Actors also use body doubles. I can claim right now that Clint Eastwood died in 1968 and every appearance by him since then has really been a body double. By your criteria, how are you going to disprove it? --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 20:55, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

:::::If you display a photo of a man a half-foot shorter than Clint Eastwood with a differently shaped nose, and lacking in other facial features, as the Miami Herald just published with respect to the alleged Fidel Castro, then that would disprove it. Surely you're not claiming that photo identification is impossible.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 21:58, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

::::::I don't see this difference in nose shape you're talking about and in the photos it's clear that Castro is several inches taller than Ratzinger. I've checked several photos of Castro and his various facial markings look identical to those in the latest photos. In any case there's no evidence that Castro is dead and I don't understand your insistence that he is. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 23:13, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

:::::::The man in the picture looks like Fidel Castro to me. He seems quite hunched over, which would explain why he doesn't tower over the pope.
:::::::Additionally, it must be quite hard to find a lookalike for an 80-year-old. Cuba is not a large or wealthy country, so how many 80-year-olds could they possibly have to choose from? The probability that they would have a plausible Castro lookalike capable of fooling the pope and his retinue seems low to me - perhaps less than 1%.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 06:49, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

== Straight from ''Weekly World News'' ==

Could a communistic state pull such a stunt? Maybe. But there are many obstacles:
*How many conspirators are there? Nurses, doctors, make-up artists etc.
*You give power to a random character, something dictators don't like very much. And you allow this character to meet the pope!

Aschlafly, this claim is as sane as the claim that ''Elvis is ALIVE!!!1!1!'' - and your case isn't any more convincing! In fact, you are looking like a lunatic quoting from ''[http://weeklyworldnews.com/politics/22008/castro-flees-cuba-for-america/ Weekly World News]''. You had a hunch, and no reasonable evidence in the world will change your position! What does this say about your open-mindedness? This is almost as bad as your stance against physical reality at [[E=mc²]].

[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 07:58, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

== Height ==

To me Castro looks significantly taller, easily the difference between 6'3" and 5'7". Look at the picture of both men seated: http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2012/03/28/15/16/86-OZ0Nk.St.55.jpg . The standing photos are consistent with tall older men whose posture begins to deteriorate. I can't speak to the other inconsistencies but I think we should be wary of [[confirmation bias]].[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 12:36, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

== Yes ==

[[User:FrancisB52|FrancisB52]] 14:13, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

== No ==

I am not convinced that the real Fidel Castro is dead. With that said, to assume it is him and not question it, is to remain closed-minded and spoon-fed. Secretive groups like Communists, I think the phrase is Trust but Verify. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 14:41, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
:Agreed. It's certainly ''possible'' that Castro is dead and it would be closed-minded to rule it out completely, but let's face it: there's no actual reason to think he is and for a dead guy he's not exactly been shy about his public appearances the last couple of years. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 14:52, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
::Exactly. Personally I think Andrew Schlafly was murdered two years ago by a liberal godless homosexual and, to guarantee the survival of the encyclopedia, Conservative replaced him with a lookalike who thinks and writes exactly like he did. Prove me wrong! [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 17:17, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

"he's not exactly been shy about his public appearances the last couple of years"??? [[Fidel Castro]] has not appeared in public since the frail man had a very serious operation in a Cuban hospital about six years ago.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:41, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
:Yes he has. He met Cristina Kirchner in 2009. He spoke to the National Assembly in August 2010, and I think they might have recognised him. In September 2010 he spoke to a crowd outside the presidential palace. He publicly launched his memoirs this February. He's also made a couple of appearances on Cuban TV and met the presidents of Venezuela and Brazil. To say he hasn't appeared in public since 2006 is just wrong. Admittedly you can say that all those appearances were body doubles, but then you're just making an unfalsifiable argument: no evidence will change your mind. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 18:01, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

::I have an open mind about this. Do you have a link for your best claim above? I don't think the alleged meetings with the presidents of Venezuela and Brazil were public appearances.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:10, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

:::Here is an article from the conservative ''Daily Telegraph'' about Castro launching his memoirs, with [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/fidel-castro/9062507/Fidel-Castro-makes-rare-public-appearance-at-Havana-book-launch.html video]. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 20:16, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

::::And [http://www.juventudrebelde.co.cu/cuba/2009-01-21/fidel-castro-met-cristina-fernandez-de-kirchner here] is a photo of Castro with Kirchner in 2009. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 20:21, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

:::::[http://www.perfil.com/fotogaleria/?filename=contenidos/2011/06/22/noticia_0007.html&fotoNro=1 Here] is Castro visiting Hugo Chavez in hospital last June. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 20:30, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
:Fidel Castro is alive. While it is true that Soviet communist governments lied about the health of their leaders [http://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/27/world/for-many-russians-daily-struggle-eclipses-yeltsin-issue.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm], to stubbornly stick to the notion that Fidel Castro is dead or probably dead is pointless at this time. I don't think the proclamation that he is dead or probably dead should have been made in the first place. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:45, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

::::::"Conservative" ''Daily Telegraph''? Perhaps you're joking now. Regardless, the link I checked from your postings was not a public appearance.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:41, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

:::::::Well it's right-wing, pro-USA, pro-Israel, pro-Christianity and anti-homosexual marriage, so I'm not sure what else I would call it. Anyway, the video showed Castro speaking to a large room full of people, which certainly seems public to me. The same article has a link to another talk by Castro the same day, about the Falkland Islands. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 20:53, 29 March 2012 (EDT)
:::::::::Fidel called me today and bitterly complained about the Conservapedia atheism article which currently ranks #5 for atheism at Google Cuba. :) [http://www.google.com.cu/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=es-419&biw=1024&bih=560&q=atheism&oq=atheism&aq=f&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_l=hp.3..0l4.2756l3479l0l4197l7l6l0l0l0l0l126l539l1j4l5l0.frgbld.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=a9b6f6d949da842d] I told him, "Hasta la vista" and then hung up on him. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:54, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

::::::::::Several of the [[communist]]s in the "public" meeting Sam refers to above were probably Fidel's golfing buddies, and perhaps they all scored holes-in-one too in a round of golf with Fidel recently!!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:31, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

== Do you love being told your wrong? ==

King Solomon wrote: "Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you." - Proverbs 9:8

Pastor C. J. Maheney wrote: "Since God often uses the criticism of others to reveal the idols of our hearts and to accelerate our growth in humility, pastors should be eager to receive criticism. I should be eager to receive correction, but usually I’m not. And it’s no mystery why I’m not eager to receive criticism—I’m a proud man."[http://www.sovereigngraceministries.org/blogs/cj-mahaney/category/wisdom-2b-foolishness.aspx]

Andy, if memory serves and I believe it does, in the early days of this wiki you said that you hate being shown your wrong or something very similar to that. Do you love being shown your wrong?

Here is an excellent sermon give at the I'll Be Honest YouTube Christian YouTube channel: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBsVH_TBxHg Accepting correction]

[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:56, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

:(your wrong > you're wrong) [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 09:20, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Mystery:Did a Fake Fidel Castro Meet the Pope?

2012-03-29T21:17:57Z

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The Hunger Games

2012-03-27T13:09:14Z

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'''The Hunger Games''' is a series of novels by Suzanne Collins, with the first volume written in 2008. The plot follows the life of 16 year old Katniss Everdeen, a resident of Panem (Post apocalyptic North America), who is forced into a gladiatoral combat by the fascist government of Panem, a successor state of the USA.

A film version of ''The Hunger Games'' broke US first weekend box office records in March 2012.

==Plot==
The story takes place in a post-apocalyptic North America, after some unrevealed catastrophe causes the government of Canada and the United States to collapse. Panem, is composed of "a shining capitol, ringed by thirteen grateful districts". The protagonists hail from District 12, located near the Appalachia today. District 12 mines coal, and is a relatively poor district. As punishment for an earlier rebellion, the Hunger Games are imposed upon the citizens, who must send 1 boy and 1 girl to the capitol every year, to fight to the death. In the story, Katniss volunteers for her 12 year old sister, to take place as tribute to the capitol. Peeta Mellark reveals his undying love for Katniss during the games itself, and due to public opinion strongly opposed to killing the "star crossed lovers", a rule change is implemented, and both tributes survive, to the chargrin of the Capitol, who views it as a poorly hidden rebellion. Afterwards, Peeta is heartbroken when he learns that Katniss's actions in the arena were part of a calculated ploy to earn sympathy from the audience.<ref>ISBN 0439023483 "The Hunger Games", Collins, Suzanne</ref>

==Characters==
*[[Katniss Everdeen]], the protagonist of the games.
*[[Peeta Mellark]], Katniss's lover
*[[Haymitch Abernathy]], their state sponsored mentor
*[[Primrose Everdeen]], Katniss's sister
*[[Madge Undersee]], Katniss's friend
*[[Gale Hawthorn]], Katniss's (at the time) boyfriend.

==Political Themes==
In an interview with Collins, it was noted that the books [[tackle]] issues like severe [[poverty]], [[starvation]], oppression, and the effects of war among others".<ref>http://en.scientificcommons.org/48135746</ref> Suzanne Collins compared the story to modern society, with western nations as the Capitol, whose nation building schemes blow up in the faces of the "districts" (other nations), who must support the capitol with cheap labour, resources, etc.<ref>http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2011/10/21/what-if-anything-does-the-hunger-games-series-teach-us-about-strategy/</ref>

==Critics==
The Hunger Games has been well received, with major book critics giving it favorable reviews. A common grievance was the "poor copyediting, which was distracting to readers."<ref>http://www.ala.org/advocacy/banned/frequentlychallenged/21stcenturychallenged/2010</ref><ref>http://www.booklistonline.com/ProductInfo.aspx?pid=2739783</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Literature]]

The Hunger Games

2012-03-27T13:08:55Z

Baobab:

'''The Hunger Games''' is a series of novels by Suzanne Collins, with the first volume written in 2008. The plot follows the life of 16 year old Katniss Everdeen, a resident of Panem (Post apocalyptic North America), who is forced into a gladiatoral combat by the fascist government of Panem, a successor state of the USA.

A film version of ''The Hunger Games'' broke US first weekend box office records in March 2012.

==Plot==
The story takes place in a post-apocalyptic North America, after some unrevealed catastrophe causes the government of Canada and the United States to collapse. Panem, is composed of "a shining capitol, ringed by thirteen grateful districts". The protagonists hail from District 12, located near the Appalachia today. District 12 mines coal, and is a relatively poor district. As punishment for an earlier rebellion, the Hunger Games are imposed upon the citizens, who must send 1 boy and 1 girl to the capitol every year, to fight to the death. In the story, Katniss volunteers for her 12 year old sister, to take place as tribute to the capitol. Peeta Mellark reveals his undying love for Katniss during the games itself, and due to public opinion strongly opposed to killing the "star crossed lovers", a rule change is implemented, and both tributes survive, to the chargrin of the Capitol, who views it as a poorly hidden rebellion. Afterwards, Peeta is heartbroken when he learns that Katniss's actions in the arena were part of a calculated ploy to earn sympathy from the audience.<ref>ISBN 0439023483 "The Hunger Games", Collins, Suzanne</ref>

==Characters==
*[[Katniss Everdeen]], the protagonist of the games.
*[[Peeta Mellark]], Katniss's lover
*[[Haymitch Abernathy]], thier state sponsored mentor
*[[Primrose Everdeen]], Katniss's sister
*[[Madge Undersee]], Katniss's friend
*[[Gale Hawthorn]], Katniss's (at the time) boyfriend.

==Political Themes==
In an interview with Collins, it was noted that the books [[tackle]] issues like severe [[poverty]], [[starvation]], oppression, and the effects of war among others".<ref>http://en.scientificcommons.org/48135746</ref> Suzanne Collins compared the story to modern society, with western nations as the Capitol, whose nation building schemes blow up in the faces of the "districts" (other nations), who must support the capitol with cheap labour, resources, etc.<ref>http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2011/10/21/what-if-anything-does-the-hunger-games-series-teach-us-about-strategy/</ref>

==Critics==
The Hunger Games has been well received, with major book critics giving it favorable reviews. A common grievance was the "poor copyediting, which was distracting to readers."<ref>http://www.ala.org/advocacy/banned/frequentlychallenged/21stcenturychallenged/2010</ref><ref>http://www.booklistonline.com/ProductInfo.aspx?pid=2739783</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Literature]]

Common Latin

2012-03-27T13:00:32Z

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'''Common Latin''', also known as '''Vulgar Latin''', is a collection of [[dialect]]s spoken throughout the [[Roman Empire]]. These dialects were spoken by the common people and [[soldier]]s, hence "common". ("Vulgar" in this context is a [[synonym]] for "common".) The upper-class [[Latin]] spoken by the [[church]] and the [[government]] was a sociolect, but it was intelligible to speakers of Common Latin. Common Latin changed over time due to outside influences such as proto-[[German]], and eventually developed into the [[Romance languages]], which include [[French]] and [[Spanish]].

[[Category:Latin]]

German language

2012-03-27T12:59:08Z

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'''German''' (''Deutsch'') is a major world language, spoken by some 120 million people worldwide. The German vocabulary is closely related to [[English]] and [[Dutch]], and all three use the [[Latin alphabet]] in writing. German is widely spoken in [[Germany]], [[Austria]], [[Liechtenstein]], [[Luxembourg]], and [[Switzerland]].<ref>[http://www.ethnologue.org/show_language.asp?code=deu Ethnologue:German]</ref> Liechtenstein is the only state that has German as its only official language.

==German Alphabet==
The German alphabet consists of every letter in the English alphabet, with additional letters. German makes use of the letter ß, called the ''scharfes S'' ("sharp s"), which is a ligature of the letter "s" and "z" from cursive scripts. It is used for occurrences of the ''voiceless alveolar fricative'', the sound of the "s" in the English word "sea", after long vowels and diphthongs, for which German otherwise uses "s" or "ss". This to avoid confusion with the ''voiced alveolar fricative'', the sound of "z" in the English word "zoo", for which German always uses the letter "s". It is sometimes called the by the German pronunciation of "sz," however, if the letter is not available it has to be replaced by the letters "ss", and not by "sz". In Switzerland and Liechtenstein this letter is generally omitted in favor of "ss". The other additional letter are the three vowels ''ä'', ''ö'' and ''ü'', also known in English as Umlauts. If not present on a keyboard they customarily are substituted by ''ae'', ''oe'', and ''ue''.

==History==

The modern German language is descended from the language known as Proto-Germanic, which is believed to have been spoken in central and northern Europe during the first millennium BC. Proto-Germanic was eventually divided into several different but similar languages, specifically East Germanic, West Germanic and North Germanic. Gothic is the only known East Germanic language, while North Germanic evolved into the modern Scandinavian languages.

Generally, the later development of the West Germanic language can be divided in two distinct lines of descent: Upper German, spoken in Central and Southern Germany, and Low German, spoken in Northern Germany. "Low" and "Upper" are geographic terms, referring to the lowlands of Northern Germany and the more mountainous areas of Southern Germany, respectively.

The term "High German" refers to the standardized version of German that derives mostly from Upper and Central German dialects. It evolved through Old High German (c. 200-1000 AD), Middle High German (c. 1000-1500 AD), Early New High German (c. 1500-1700) and finally to the present New High German, which is the standard modern German language. Low German went through a similar development, starting with Old Saxon and similar languages, through Middle Low German into the modern Low German, which is in linguistics often referred to a Low Saxon. It was the standard language of the Hanseatic league, but was superseded as standard language in North Germany when High German was accepted as official language in Prussia. Due to the influence of Prussia as political power, and later Hamburg as media center, a more Northern German pronunciation has been adopted as standard pronunciation in television and radio. It is said that the best High German is spoken in Hanover, while the traditional dialect of the Hanover area is a dialect of Low German.

== German Dialects ==
Dialects of Low German or Low Saxon spoken in the North of Germany are Westphalian, Eastphalian, East-Frisian, North Low Saxon, Sleswickian, and Holastian, and Pommerian, Margravian. The Low Saxon dialects spoken in the east of the Netherlands are often included as East Dutch Low Saxon. One might encounter also ''Missingisch'', a Low Saxon - High German pidgin. In modern times however standard New High German with a Northern accent has become the norm for spoken language in the North of Germany.

The dialects of German are classified as central and upper German. Central German dialects are Ripuarian, Central Franconian, Rhine Francoinian, Hessian, Thurinigian, Saxonian, and Berlinerish. Luxemburgish is often included as a Moselle Franconian dialect. Upper German dialects spoken in the South of the German speaking area, which includes Bavaria, Austria, Liechtenstein and northern areas of Italy, the northern part of Switzerland, and eastern parts of France are Bavarian, East and South Franconian, Swabian, Allemanic, and Alsatian.

Official Minority languages in Germany are [[Frisian]], a west germanic language, [[Sorbian]], a slavic language, and [[Danish]].

==Grammar==
German has a great deal of inflection compared to English, including three genders of nouns (plus the plural), and four cases. Adjectives are also given endings based on their gender and case. The plural forms of nouns follow complex patterns that are difficult for a non-native speaker to master. The system of auxiliary verbs for various tenses works similarly to English. Word order has some definite differences compared to English, but also has greater flexibility in several aspects.

===Noun inflection===
German nouns can have one of three genders: masculine, feminine, or neutral. The definite articles in the nominative case are as follows:

*'''Der''' Hund (Nouns are always capitalized in German.) = The dog
*'''Die''' Ente = The duck
*'''Das''' Schwein = The pig

These three genders collapse into a single plural form, using the definite article '''die''', as in

'''Die''' Schweine = The Pigs

Indefinite articles are represented by only two types in the nominative case, ''ein'' and ''eine'':

*'''Ein''' Hund = A dog
*'''Eine''' Ente = A duck
*'''Ein''' Schwein = A pig

As in English, there is no indefinite article for plural nouns.

===The four cases===
In German, four cases are used, known as the ''nominative'', the ''accusative'', the ''dative'', and the ''genitive''. Nominative is the case which is used in the subject of sentences, or to say A=B. Accusative indicates a direct object relationship, as in "I bought '''the book'''." The dative case shows an indirect object relationship, as in "I gave '''you''' the book." The genitive case has slowly fallen into disuse, but indicates possession; this usage is often replaced by the dative in most cases.

The definite and indefinite articles change according to the case:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Definite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| '''Der''' Hund
| '''Den''' Hund
| '''Dem''' Hund
| '''Des''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| '''Die''' Ente
| '''Die''' Ente
| '''Der''' Ente
| '''Der''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| '''Das''' Schwein
| '''Das''' Schwein
| '''Dem''' Schwein
| '''Des''' Schwein'''s'''*
|-
! Plural
| '''Die''' Schweine
| '''Die''' Schweine
| '''Den''' Schweine'''n'''*
| '''Der''' Schweine
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Indefinite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| Ein Hund
| Ein'''en''' Hund
| Ein'''em''' Hund
| Ein'''es''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| Ein'''e''' Ente
| Ein'''e''' Ente
| Ein'''er''' Ente
| Ein'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| Ein Schwein
| Ein Schwein
| Ein'''em''' Schwein
| Ein'''es''' Schwein'''s'''*
|}
<nowiki>*With the genitive case, masculine and neutral nouns take the "s" or "es" ending, while the plural form of masculine and neutral nouns take the "n" ending in dative.</nowiki>

Any other articles take endings by gender and case according to one of these two models. Other examples of article types include possessive (mein Hund = my dog) negative (kein Schwein = no pig), and "this one" (diese Ente = this duck).

===Adjective declension===
When adjectives appear modifying a noun, their ending must agree with both the case and gender of the noun. These endings follow separate rules from those of the definite and indefinite articles, making this extremely difficult for the non-native speaker.

The endings with a definite article always take either an "e" or "en" as ending:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| Der schwarz'''e''' Hund
| Den schwarz'''en''' Hund
| Dem schwarz'''en''' Hund
| Des schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| Die gelb'''e''' Ente
| Die gelb'''e''' Ente
| Der gelb'''en''' Ente
| Der gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| Das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| Das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| Dem schlau'''en''' Schwein
| Des schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| Die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| Die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| Den schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| Der schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}
(schwarz = black, gelb = yellow, schlau = clever)

So-called "strong" declension occurs when there is no article, or when the determiner has no gender (as in "some" or "many"). In strong declension, the ending of the adjective takes on the ending of the definite article:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| schwarz'''er''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund
| schwarz'''em''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''em''' Schwein
| schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| schlau'''er''' Schweine
|}

So-called "mixed declension" is used with indefinite articles and possessive articles. Both the article and the adjective take an ending, but the masculine and neutral forms change in the nominative case to carry the "lost" ending caused by the use of an indefinite determiner:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| mein schwarz'''er''' Hund
| mein'''en''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''em''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''es''' schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein'''em''' schlau'''en''' Schwein
| mein'''es''' schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''en''' schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| mein'''er''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}

===Plural forms===
In contrast to English's simple addition of "s" to make a noun plural, German plural forms use several different inflections depending on the word. They fall into seven types:

;1. No change
:der '''Zimmer''' (room) → die '''Zimmer'''
;2. No ending, with Umlaut
:der Apfel (apple) → die '''Ä'''pfel
;3. Add -e
:das Ziel (goal) → die Ziel'''e'''
;4. Add -e, with Umlaut
:der Tanz (dance) → die T'''ä'''nz'''e'''
;5. Add -er, with Umlaut
:das Glas (glass) → die Gl'''ä'''s'''er'''
;6. Add -n or -en
:die Frau (woman) → die Frau'''en'''
;7. Add -s
:das Tabu (taboo) → die Tabu'''s'''

There is no logical formula to determine which plural form a given noun will take, so the plural form must also be learned as one learns a new noun.

===Auxiliary verbs===
Just as in English, the German language uses helping verbs for most of its tenses. When this occurs, it is the helping verb which is conjugated. The perfect tense exists in German, which uses either the verb ''haben'' (to have) or ''sein'' (to be) together with a past participle. The future tense also uses a helping verb, ''werden'', which is also used for the passive voice (i.e. The lawn is watered daily.). German also uses modal verbs just as in English:

''können'' = to be able to 
''dürfen'' = to be allowed to 
''müssen'' = must 
''sollen'' = should

While German has two forms of the past tense which are constructed like the English past simple and perfect, they are used for different reasons. Generally speaking, the two types of past in German have the same meaning, but the simple past is used for writing and the perfect for speaking. The past participles for many irregular verbs follow similar vowel transformations as in English:

English: I sing. I sang. I have sung. 
German: Ich singe. Ich sang. Ich habe gesungen.

Many of the most important verb forms in German have irregular verb forms, so it is necessary to learn all three forms when one learns a verb.

===Word order===
German word order in complex sentences is based on a so-called "bracket construction," with the most important parts being close to the beginning and at the end. In sentences with more than one verb, the remaining verb or verbs go at the very end:

''Ich habe ihr das Buch in der Schule gegeben.'' (I gave her the book at school.)

In the example above, the verb ''haben'' is conjugated in the first person singular and placed just after the subject, and the past participle of ''geben'' (to give) is placed at the end of the sentence. The sentence also contains a direct object (das Buch = the book), an indirect object (ihr = her), and a place indicator (in der Schule = at school).

Word order other than this bracket construction is somewhat flexible. For example, the following sentences have the same meaning:

''Das Buch habe ich ihr in der Schule gegeben.'' 
''In der Schule habe ich ihr das Buch gegeben.''

This bracket construction is a defining characteristic of German word order. It is also used with modal verbs and with the future tense:

''Ich kann ihn überhaupt nicht verstehen.'' (I can't understand him at all.) 
''Sie wird vielleicht morgen in die Oper gehen wollen.'' (She'll probably want to go to the opera tomorrow.)

Notice that however the constituent parts are arranged, the main verb always is placed in the second position, and the remaining verbs are placed at the end.

This structure also holds true for the so-called "seperable verbs." An example of this is the verb ''abgeben'', which means to "give up." When it is the only verb appearing in the sentence, the prefix "ab" is separated from the rest of the verb, which is conjugated and placed in the second position, and the prefix is placed at the end of the sentence:

''Ich gebe jetzt ab.'' (I'm giving up now.)

German has many such verbs, which are always constructed from a definable preposition and a main verb. However, when using the past tense, future tense, or a modal verb, these sepearable verbs appear at the end of the sentence in the appropriate form:

''Er wird irgendwann abgeben müssen.'' (He'll have to give up sometime.)

==Bibliography==
Martin Durrell, Katrin Kohl, Gudrun Loftus, ''Essential German Grammar'', 2002. 
Christian Stief and Christian Stang, ''Langenscheidt German Grammar in a Nutshell'', 2002.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Germanic languages]]

German language

2012-03-27T12:58:09Z

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'''German''' (''Deutsch'') is a major world language, spoken by some 120 million people worldwide. The German vocabulary is closely related to [[English]] and [[Dutch]], and all three use the [[Latin alphabet]] in writing. German is widely spoken in [[Germany]], [[Austria]], [[Liechtenstein]], [[Luxembourg]], and [[Switzerland]].<ref>[http://www.ethnologue.org/show_language.asp?code=deu Ethnologue:German]</ref> Liechtenstein is the only state that has German as its only official language.

==German Alphabet==
The German alphabet consists of every letter in the English alphabet, with additional letters. German makes use of the letter ß, called the ''scharfes S'' ("sharp s"), which is a ligature of the letter "s" and "z" from cursive scripts. It is used for occurrences of the ''voiceless alveolar fricative'', the sound of the "s" in the English word "sea", after long vowels and diphthongs, for which German otherwise uses "s" or "ss". This to avoid confusion with the ''voiced alveolar fricative'', the sound of "z" in the English word "zoo", for which German always uses the letter "s". It is sometimes called the by the German pronunciation of "sz," however, if the letter is not available it has to be replaced by the letters "ss", and not by "sz". In Switzerland and Liechtenstein this letter is generally omitted in favor of "ss". The other additional letter are the three vowels ''ä'', ''ö'' and ''ü'', also known in English as Umlauts. If not present on a keyboard they customarily are substituted by ''ae'', ''oe'', and ''ue''.

==History==

The modern German language is descended from the language known as Proto-Germanic, which is believed to have been spoken in central and northern Europe during the first millennium BC. Proto-Germanic was eventually divided into several different but similar languages, specifically East Germanic, West Germanic and North Germanic. Gothic is the only known East Germanic language, while North Germanic evolved into the modern Scandinavian languages.

Generally, the later development of the West Germanic language can be divided in two distinct lines of descent: Upper German, spoken in Central and Southern Germany, and Low German, spoken in Northern Germany. "Low" and "Upper" are geographic terms, referring to the lowlands of Northern Germany and the more mountainous areas of Southern Germany, respectively.

The term "High German" refers to the standardized version of German that derives mostly from Upper and Central German dialects. It evolved through Old High German (c. 200-1000 AD), Middle High German (c. 1000-1500 AD), Early New High German (c. 1500-1700) and finally to the present New High German, which is the standard modern German language. Low German went through a similar development, starting with Old Saxon and similar languages, through Middle Low German into the modern Low German, which is in linguistics often referred to a Low Saxon. It was the standard language of the Hanseatic league, but was superseded as standard language in North Germany when High German was accepted as official language in Prussia. Due to the influence of Prussia as political power, and later Hamburg as media center, a more Northern German pronunciation has been adopted as standard pronunciation in television and radio. It is said that the best High German is spoken in Hanover, while the traditional dialect of the Hanover area is a dialect of Low German.

== German Dialects ==
Dialects of Low German or Low Saxon spoken in the North of Germany are Westphalian, Eastphalian, East-Frisian, North Low Saxon, Sleswickian, and Holastian, and Pommerian, Margravian. The Low Saxon dialects spoken in the east of the Netherlands are often included as East Dutch Low Saxon. One might encounter also ''Missingisch'', a Low Saxon - High German pidgin. In modern times however standard New High German with a Northern accent has become the norm for spoken language in the North of Germany.

The dialects of German are classified as central and upper German. Central German dialects are Ripuarian, Central Franconian, Rhine Francoinian, Hessian, Thurinigian, Saxonian, and Berlinerish. Luxemburgish is often included as a Moselle Franconian dialect. Upper German dialects spoken in the South of the German speaking area, which includes Bavaria, Austria, Liechtenstein and northern areas of Italy, the northern part of Switzerland, and eastern parts of France are Bavarian, East and South Franconian, Swabian, Allemanic, and Alsatian.

Official Minority languages in Germany are [[Frisian]], a west germanic language, [[Sorbian]], a slavic language, and [[Danish]].

==Grammar==
German has a great deal of inflection compared to English, including three genders of nouns (plus the plural), and four cases. Adjectives are also given endings based on their gender and case. The plural forms of nouns follow complex patterns that are difficult for a non-native speaker to master. The system of auxiliary verbs for various tenses works similarly to English. Word order has some definite differences compared to English, but also has greater flexibility in several aspects.

===Noun inflection===
German nouns can have one of three genders: masculine, feminine, or neutral. The definite articles in the nominative case are as follows:

*'''Der''' Hund (Nouns are always capitalized in German.) = The dog
*'''Die''' Ente = The duck
*'''Das''' Schwein = The pig

These three genders collapse into a single plural form, using the definite article '''die''', as in

'''Die''' Schweine = The Pigs

Indefinite articles are represented by only two types in the nominative case, ''ein'' and ''eine'':

*'''Ein''' Hund = A dog
*'''Eine''' Ente = A duck
*'''Ein''' Schwein = A pig

As in English, there is no indefinite article for plural nouns.

===The four cases===
In German, four cases are used, known as the ''nominative'', the ''accusative'', the ''dative'', and the ''genitive''. Nominative is the case which is used in the subject of sentences, or to say A=B. Accusative indicates a direct object relationship, as in "I bought '''the book'''." The dative case shows an indirect object relationship, as in "I gave '''you''' the book." The genitive case has slowly fallen into disuse, but indicates possession; this usage is often replaced by the dative in most cases.

The definite and indefinite articles change according to the case:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Definite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| '''Der''' Hund
| '''Den''' Hund
| '''Dem''' Hund
| '''Des''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| '''Die''' Ente
| '''Die''' Ente
| '''Der''' Ente
| '''Der''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| '''Das''' Schwein
| '''Das''' Schwein
| '''Dem''' Schwein
| '''Des''' Schwein'''s'''*
|-
! Plural
| '''Die''' Schweine
| '''Die''' Schweine
| '''Den''' Schweine'''n'''*
| '''Der''' Schweine
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Indefinite
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| Ein Hund
| Ein'''en''' Hund
| Ein'''em''' Hund
| Ein'''es''' Hund'''es'''*
|-
! Feminine
| Ein'''e''' Ente
| Ein'''e''' Ente
| Ein'''er''' Ente
| Ein'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| Ein Schwein
| Ein Schwein
| Ein'''em''' Schwein
| Ein'''es''' Schwein'''s'''*
|}
<nowiki>*With the genitive case, masculine and neutral nouns take the "s" or "es" ending, while the plural form of masculine and neutral nouns take the "n" ending in dative.</nowiki>

Any other articles take endings by gender and case according to one of these two models. Other examples of article types include possessive (mein Hund = my dog) negative (kein Schwein = no pig), and "this one" (diese Ente = this duck).

===Adjective declension===
When adjectives appear modifying a noun, their ending must agree with both the case and gender of the noun. These endings follow separate rules from those of the definite and indefinite articles, making this extremely difficult for the non-native speaker.

The endings with a definite article always take either an "e" or "en" as ending:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| Der schwarz'''e''' Hund
| Den schwarz'''en''' Hund
| Dem schwarz'''en''' Hund
| Des schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| Die gelb'''e''' Ente
| Die gelb'''e''' Ente
| Der gelb'''en''' Ente
| Der gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| Das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| Das schlau'''e''' Schwein
| Dem schlau'''en''' Schwein
| Des schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| Die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| Die schlau'''en''' Schweine
| Der schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| Den schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}
(schwarz = black, gelb = yellow, schlau = clever)

So-called "strong" declension occurs when there is no article, or when the determiner has no gender (as in "some" or "many"). In strong declension, the ending of the adjective takes on the ending of the definite article:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| schwarz'''er''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund
| schwarz'''em''' Hund
| schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''e''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
| gelb'''er''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''es''' Schwein
| schlau'''em''' Schwein
| schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''e''' Schweine
| schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| schlau'''er''' Schweine
|}

So-called "mixed declension" is used with indefinite articles and possessive articles. Both the article and the adjective take an ending, but the masculine and neutral forms change in the nominative case to carry the "lost" ending caused by the use of an indefinite determiner:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Nominative
! Accusative
! Dative
! Genitive
|-
! Masculine
| mein schwarz'''er''' Hund
| mein'''en''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''em''' schwarz'''en''' Hund
| mein'''es''' schwarz'''en''' Hund'''es'''
|-
! Feminine
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''e''' gelb'''e''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
| mein'''er''' gelb'''en''' Ente
|-
! Neutral
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein schlau'''es''' Schwein
| mein'''em''' schlau'''en''' Schwein
| mein'''es''' schlau'''en''' Schwein'''s'''
|-
! Plural
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''e''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
| mein'''en''' schlau'''en''' Schweine'''n'''
| mein'''er''' schlau'''en''' Schweine
|}

===Plural forms===
In contrast to English's simple addition of "s" to make a noun plural, German plural forms use several different inflections depending on the word. They fall into seven types:

;1. No change
:der '''Zimmer''' (room) → die '''Zimmer'''
;2. No ending, with Umlaut
:der Apfel (apple) → die '''Ä'''pfel
;3. Add -e
:das Ziel (goal) → die Ziel'''e'''
;4. Add -e, with Umlaut
:der Tanz (dance) → die T'''ä'''nz'''e'''
;5. Add -er, with Umlaut
:das Glas (glass) → die Gl'''ä'''s'''er'''
;6. Add -n or -en
:die Frau (woman) → die Frau'''en'''
;7. Add -s
:das Tabu (taboo) → die Tabu'''s'''

There is no logical formula to determine which plural form a given noun will take, so the plural form must also be learned as one learns a new noun.

===Auxiliary verbs===
Just as in English, the German language uses helping verbs for most of its tenses. When this occurs, it is the helping verb which is conjugated. The perfect tense exists in German, which uses either the verb ''haben'' (to have) or ''sein'' (to be) together with a past participle. The future tense also uses a helping verb, ''werden'', which is also used for the passive voice (i.e. The lawn is watered daily.). German also uses modal verbs just as in English:

''können'' = to be able to 
''dürfen'' = to be allowed to 
''müssen'' = must 
''sollen'' = should

While German has two forms of the past tense which are constructed like the English past simple and perfect, they are used for different reasons. Generally speaking, the two types of past in German have the same meaning, but the simple past is used for writing and the perfect for speaking. The past participles for many irregular verbs follow similar vowel transformations as in English:

English: I sing. I sang. I have sung. 
German: Ich singe. Ich sang. Ich habe gesungen.

Many of the most important verb forms in German have irregular verb forms, so it is necessary to learn all three forms when one learns a verb.

===Word order===
German word order in complex sentences is based on a so-called "bracket construction," with the most important parts being close to the beginning and at the end. In sentences with more than one verb, the remaining verb or verbs go at the very end:

''Ich habe ihr das Buch in der Schule gegeben.'' (I gave her the book at school.)

In the example above, the verb ''haben'' is conjugated in the first person singular and placed just after the subject, and the past participle of ''geben'' (to give) is placed at the end of the sentence. The sentence also contains a direct object (das Buch = the book), an indirect object (ihr = her), and a place indicator (in der Schule = at school).

Word order other than this bracket construction is somewhat flexible. For example, the following sentences have the same meaning:

''Das Buch habe ich ihr in der Schule gegeben.'' 
''In der Schule habe ich ihr das Buch gegeben.''

This bracket construction is a defining characteristic of German word order. It is also used with modal verbs and with the future tense:

''Ich kann ihn überhaupt nicht verstehen.'' (I can't understand him at all.) 
''Sie wird vielleicht morgen in die Oper gehen wollen.'' (She'll probably want to go to the opera tomorrow.)

Notice that however the constituent parts are arranged, the main verb always is placed in the second position, and the remaining verbs are placed at the end.

This structure also holds true for the so-called "seperable verbs." An example of this is the verb ''abgeben'', which means to "give up." When it is the only verb appearing in the sentence, the prefix "ab" is separated from the rest of the verb, which is conjugated and placed in the second position, and the prefix is placed at the end of the sentence:

''Ich gebe jetzt ab.'' (I'm giving up now.)

German has many such verbs, which are always constructed from a definable preposition and a main verb. However, when using the past tense, future tense, or a modal verb, these sepearable verbs appear at the end of the sentence in the appropriate form:

''Er wird irgendwann abgeben müssen.'' (He'll have to give up sometime.)

==Bibliography==
Martin Durrell, Katrin Kohl, Gudrun Loftus, ''Essential German Grammar'', 2002. 
Christian Stief and Christian Stang, ''Langenscheidt German Grammar in a Nutshell'', 2002.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Germanic languages]]

Andrew Breitbart

2012-03-22T12:33:52Z

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[[File:Breitbart1.jpg|right]]

'''Andrew Breitbart''' (pronounced BRIGHT-bart) (b. February 1, 1969 - March 1, 2012) was one of the most outspoken [[conservative]] journalists in America. He is the founder of [[Breitbart.com]], Breitbart.tv, BigJournalism.com, BigHollywood.com, BigPeace.com, BigGovernment.com and, BigEducation.com. His weekly columns appeared in the [[Washington Times]] and he was formerly a protégé of Matt Drudge's [[Drudge Report]]. He co-wrote a best-selling attack on celebrity culture called ''Hollywood, Interrupted.'' Breitbart worked with Arianna Huffington for a time and helped create the [[Huffington Post]]. Breitbart was a very visible member of the conservative media, constantly going after the [[liberal]] power structure and the [[mainstream media]] and was responsible for bringing [[ACORN]] to its knees with undercover journalism. Breitbart received the Reed Irvine Accuracy in Media Award at CPAC in 2010.

He was born and raised in Brentwood, California. In 2011, Breitbart authored the book Righteous Indignation. Opening rank on Amazon.com #10 and #14 on the New York Times.

On March 1, 2012 it was announced that Breitbart had passed away during the night. He was 43.<ref>http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/01/andrew-breitbart-dead-at-43-according-to-his-website/ Andrew Breitbart dead at 43, according to his website, The Daily Caller, March 1 2012</ref>

==ACORN==
:''Main article: [[ACORN]]''
His greatest success was undercover journalism performed by his employees James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles against ACORN. His associates filmed ACORN giving advice on setting up brothels involving underage prostitution trafficking as well as tax evasion tips at four ACORN offices around the country. In a brilliant strategy, he would release one tape which ACORN would dismiss. Then other tapes to stir the pot. A fourth tape was released that turned into a national firestorm which bypassed the corrupt media who refused to cover the liberal-aligned group. The outrage that followed forced Congress to defund ACORN and Breitbart is credited with having them removed from partnering with the [[Obama Administration]] on the 2010 Census. [[Wade Rathke]], ACORN founder, and [[Bertha Lewis]], his puppet CEO had to change the name of the organization because Breitbart's work had sullied their image. State affiliates reorganized under new names in New York and California, others were banned from operating in Ohio and Maryland. Breitbart put ACORN on the defensive which is still reeling from his work and has announced it's closing business, bankrupt. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589768,00.html ACORN Closing in Wake of Scandal, FOX News, March 22, 2010]</ref> .

==2010 Annual NAACP Conference==
The day after the [[NAACP]] issued a statement calling the [[Tea Party movement]] racist, Breitbart showcased the power of [[conservative media]] by releasing video footage showing Shirley Sherrod of the [[USDA]] addressing a past NAACP conference about how she acted in a racist manner to offer very minimal help to a bankrupt farmer because he was Caucasian. The video went viral and the White House got involved to make Sherrod resign. <ref>[http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/07/20/obama-administration-stands-by-decision-to-fire-sherrod/ Obama Administration Stands By Decision to Fire Sherrod, BigGovernment.com, July 20, 2010]</ref>

==CPAC 2010==
Breitbart was video taped going after liberal columnist Blumenthall, calling him a "despicable human being" for writing lies, treating [[James O'Keefe]] as racist, a now common liberal media attack weapon. He was not afraid to confront dishonest journalists and their corrupt reporting. He gave speeches talking about the mainstream media saying "The Gig Is Up - You’re Not on the American Team."

==CPAC 2011==
Major conservative groups are backing out of the annual conference to protest the inclusion of the [[gay]] group GOProud. Breitbart defends their inclusion and he planned to throw a party for gay conservatives at CPAC. "I'm working on getting a venue," he said. "The first annual Roy Cohn CPAC Breitbart Homocon Welcoming 80's Extravaganza. I'm thinking of DJ-ing." <ref>[http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cpac-20110108,0,4410541.story Some right-wing groups to skip GOP event, LATimes, January 8, 2011]</ref>

==CPAC 2012==
A major speech from Breitbart with many revelations. First, he wants the public not to be afraid to call [[Barack Obama]] a "[[Radical]]". Next, he described his dinner with domestic terrorist [[Bill Ayers]]. Third, that he has video tapes from Obama's days at college. Breitbart will expose the radical Obama and his radical ties that the [[Lamestream media]] knowingly suppressed from the public. <ref>[http://weaselzippers.us/2012/02/10/hmmm-andrew-breitbart-at-cpac-i-have-videos-of-obama-from-his-college-day/ Hmmm: Andrew Breitbart At CPAC, “I Have Videos” of Obama From His College Day…, Weasel Zippers, February 10, 2012]</ref>

==Congressman Weiner==
Liberal Democrat Rep. Anthony Weiner used Twitter to send lewd photos of himself. Breitbart exposed this act, dubbed WeinerGate. Weiner tried to deny it was him, blamed he was hacked by [[conservative]] vandals and stated in public that Breitbart was lying. As the story went nationwide, Weiner was pressured to step down. Weiner arranged a conference in [[New York]]. Weiner was late to the conference and Breitbart showed up, and took the microphone to denounce Weiner, demanding an apology. Weiner showed up, announced he had lied and was retiring. Also, he apologized to Breitbart.

==Videos==
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnoAXCnbCYU Andrew Breitbart Shuts Down Max Blumenthall at CPAC]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4jLl71BZPE&feature=related Andrew Breitbart CPAC 2010 Speech PART 1 (1 of 2)]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rci_BLmHDc&feature=related Andrew Breitbart CPAC 2010 Speech PART 2 (2 of 2)]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4j6mmVuAKs&feature=related Andrew Breitbart received the Reed Irvine Accuracy in Media Award at CPAC]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E174yCPrR4I&feature=related Andrew Breitbart confronts David Shuster lies from MSNBC]

==References==
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==External Links==
* [http://www.breitbart.com Breitbart.com]
* [http://www.breitbart.tv Breitbart.tv]
* [http://bighollywood.breitbart.com BigHollywood.com]
* [http://biggovernment.com BigGovernment.com]
* [http://bigjournalism.com BigJournalism.com]
* [http://www.bigpeace.com BigPeace.com]
* [http://washingtontimes.com/staff/andrew-breitbart/ Washington Times - Andrew Breitbart]
* [http://www.facebook.com/andrewbreitbart Facebook -Andrew Breitbart]
* [http://twitter.com/andrewbreitbart Twitter -AndrewBreitbart (Warning: Liberals leave vulgar messages)]
* [http://breitbartbook.com/ Breitbartbook.com]

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Boy George

2012-03-18T17:42:52Z

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'''George Alan O'Dowd''' is a [[British]] pop [[singer]] and [[Disc jockey|DJ]] better known by his stage name '''Boy George''', during the 1980s lead singer of the pop/new wave music group [[Culture Club]]. The former [[heroin]] addict was convicted of [[cocaine]] possession in [[Manhattan]] in 2006. He was convicted for handcuffing a male escort to a bed against his will and then beating him with a chain in 2008.<ref>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1092168/Guilty-Boy-George-warned-judge-faces-jail-falsely-imprisoning-male-escort.html</ref> He was sentenced to fifteen months' imprisonment and served four months.

==See also==
*[[Culture club|Culture Club]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

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[[Category: Homosexuals]]

Egyptian language

2012-03-16T17:34:01Z

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[[Image:Hieroglyphs.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Egyptian language written in hieroglyphs, the most chacteristic and instantly recognisable written form of the language]]
The '''Egyptian language''' is a member of the Afro-Asiatic family of [[language]]s and is related to [[Berber]] and [[Semitic]]. Egyptian is one of the oldest recorded languages with examples dating as far back as 3400 B.C.<ref>[http://www.archaeology.org/9903/newsbriefs/egypt.html Earliest Egyptian Glyphs] ''Archeology'' 52.2 (March/April 1999)</ref> It survives today as [[Coptic]], the liturgical language of the Coptic Church, but has otherwise been extinct since the 17th century.

==Development==
The development of Egyptian is broken into six stages.

#Pre 2600BC - Archaic Egyptian
#2600-2000BC - Old Egyptian
#2000-1300BC - Middle Egyptian
#1300-700BC - Late Egyptian
#700BC-500AD - Demotic
#400-1600AD - Coptic

Middle Egyptian fell out of everyday use after 1300BC, but survived through the first few centuries AD as a formal written language until the Roman Period, used in classical literature, scribal training and religious texts.

==Structure==
The structure of Egyptian is similar to many other Afro-Asiatic languages. Most words have a root of three consonants, although some have more or less.

Vowels are only written in the Coptic script. All written forms of Egyptian only record the consonental skeleton of the word.

Egyptian, like many of its related languages, has single, dual, and plural forms of nouns, meaning a noun can be written three different ways signifying one thing, two things, and three or more things. Like the [[Romance language]]s and [[Irish Gaelic]], Egyptian nouns are either masculine or feminine. Egyptian’s basic word order is ‘Subject, Noun, Object.” ‘The man opens the door’ would be ‘Opens the man the door’.
[[Image:Edwin_Smith_Papyrus.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Hieratic script from the Edwin Smith Papyrus]]
== Written Form ==
The Egyptian language was one of the earliest written languages, along with Sumerian, with the earliest occurrences on the Narmer Palette and Scorpion mace-head dating back prior to 3000BC, with many more examples known from the Early Dynastic Period (3000 - 2800BC).

=== Hieroglyphs ===
The Egyptian language is famous for the beautiful and distinctive [[hieroglyphs]] often used to write it. Hieroglyphs were used from the Late predynastic/Early Dynastic periods through to the Greco-Roman period. Hieroglyphs record the sound of the word, and are not pictographic, as was once believed, though many words include a graphic "determinative" to distinguish words that can be spelt the same, as well as to aid the reader.

=== Hieratic ===
Hieratic is a cursive form of the hieroglyphic sign set, and was mainly used for writing on papyrus, whereas hieroglyphs were preferred for solid surfaces such as stone, wood and ivory, as well as in stamps and seals. In [[Egyptology]], hieratic papyri are often transliterated into hieroglyphs for publication alongside the transliterated and translated text. It is not an independent alphabet, rather is the equivalent of joined up handwriting compared to block capitals in the [[Latin]] script. It retains and uses the determinatives of the hieroglyphic system. Hieratic first appeared in the [[Old Kingdom]].
[[Image:Demotic_Ostrakon.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Ostraca with Demotic script dating from the Ptolemaic period]]
=== Demotic ===
The Demotic script is a natural evolution of hieratic and is an extremely cursive form of hieroglyphs featuring many ligatures, though it still retains the determinative system. Thus is it is not "purely" alphabetic as the [[Latin alphabet|Latin]] or [[Greek alphabet|Greek]] alphabets are. It first appeared in the [[Late Period]], and was in use alongside both hieroglyphs and hieratic. The Demotic alphabet was one of the three scripts (the other two being hieroglyphs and Greek) on the Rosetta Stone. In Egyptology demotic is often transliterated directly rather than

=== Coptic ===
With the growth of Christianity in [[Roman]] era Egypt, the Greek alphabet was adopted a base for a new script for writing religious documents that would be "untainted" by the "heathen" Pharaonic writing systems. Due to the Greek alphabet not being able to record all the sounds of Egyptian, several Demotic signs were added to the script, creating the Coptic script that remains in use today in Coptic theological texts. In addition to the text, many Greek words were also incorporated into the language, and this remains the case today.

== Dialects ==
Coptic is the only form of Egyptian where details of distinct dialects are known, though today Bohairic Coptic is the only form that survives, and is the focus of attempts to keep the language alive in its spoken form.

Earlier forms of Egyptian certainly had dialects, as reference is made to them in surviving texts. However as written Egyptian was standardised, we have no knowledge of their nature.

== Bibliography ==
<div class="references-small">
* '''Gardiner, A H (1973 - 3rd Rev. Ed.)''', ''Egyptian Grammar'', Griffith Institute, Oxford
* '''Collier M, Manley, B (1998)''', ''How to Read Egyptian Hieroglyphs'', British Museum Press, London
* '''Yousef, A (2003)''', ''From Pharaoh's Lips'', American University in Cairo Press, Cairo

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Afro-Asiatic languages]]
[[Category:Egypt]]
[[Category:Ancient Egypt]]

Communist Control Act of 1954

2012-03-16T17:32:46Z

Baobab: same correction

The '''Communist Control Act of 1954''' is a act of congress, passed in 1954 during the height of the second red scare and the early [[Cold War]], that declared the [[Communist Party USA]] and any successor organization to be in a undemocratic, authoritarian conspiracy to overthrow or subvert the national government and would be outlawed, losing any rights it had as a political party and its willful members subject to the provisions of the [[Internal Security Act of 1950]]. <ref>http://tucnak.fsv.cuni.cz/~calda/Documents/1950s/Communist_54.html</ref>

Since its passing, it has never been enforced due to the weakness of the party, but still remains a law, never ruled unconstitutional or repealed.

=references=
<references/>
[[Category:Cold War]]
[[Category:Acts of Congress]]

Communist Control Act of 1954

2012-03-16T17:32:11Z

Baobab: it's > its

The '''Communist Control Act of 1954''' is a act of congress, passed in 1954 during the height of the second red scare and the early [[Cold War]], that declared the [[Communist Party USA]] and any successor organization to be in a undemocratic, authoritarian conspiracy to overthrow or subvert the national government and would be outlawed, losing any rights it had as a political party and its willful members subject to the provisions of the [[Internal Security Act of 1950]]. <ref>http://tucnak.fsv.cuni.cz/~calda/Documents/1950s/Communist_54.html</ref>

Since it's passing, it has never been enforced due to the weakness of the party, but still remains a law, never ruled unconstitutional or repealed.

=references=
<references/>
[[Category:Cold War]]
[[Category:Acts of Congress]]

Talk:Essay: Are atheists smarter than the average bear?

2012-03-16T17:20:14Z

Baobab:

Deleting the talk page was a good start. Now you should delete the article too. It's kind of embarrassing. --[[User:GeorgeLi|GeorgeLi]] 02:45, 27 January 2012 (EST)
:Yes, it is embarrassing for liberal atheists - especially the [[Soviet Union]] section. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:05, 27 January 2012 (EST)
::This has been bugging me for a while, so I'm finally going to ask it... Why are you wasting your time creating these pointless essays? I know your overall contribution to this site is genuine and meaningful, but this constant stream of pointless essays on atheism comes across as petty and I can't help but think that they are there simply for provocation. --[[User:RedGoliath|RedGoliath]] 15:06, 27 January 2012 (GMT)
::Imagine if, at the back of the Encyclopedia Britannica, there was a series of poorly written essays by a single editor where he compares groups he doesn't like to animals, insults their appearance, and includes numerous photos with captions like, "If you're so smart Mr. Atheist, then why are you so fat?" [sic] I imagine that such an inclusion might be considered a joke, something planted by a prankster, without the knowledge of the other editors. If only we could say the same here.[[User:RachelW|RachelW]] 10:26, 27 January 2012 (EST)
:::The Britannica is a British publication, and they are a nation of obese atheists. Hardly the standard to which we should aspire. Why? Because liberals. That's why. [[User:ScottDG|ScottDG]] [[User talk:ScottDG|Talk]] Is Gingrich an orphan? Conservapedia says yes. Why does nobody else? 10:38, 27 January 2012 (EST)
::::Or then again, maybe not every book or website ending in -pedia has to have the same policies just because they have -pedia in the name. Could people please try to be a bit more open-minded?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 10:46, 27 January 2012 (EST)
:::::I would be perfectly happy to see well thought-out, well written and informative essays put up on this encyclodpedia. But as I stated previously, these essays are nothing more than petty, provocative ramblings. In my mind it's more like vandalism than worthwhile editing. --[[User:RedGoliath|RedGoliath]] 15:51, 27 January 2012 (GMT)
::::::We get most upset by what we don't want to accept but secretly know to be true. I'm sure Conservative knows that the majority of prominent scientists are atheists, but he can't accept that because of his obsessive - though vain - desire to be considered smarter than they are. The essays he writes are just his immature way of lashing out at the terrible truth. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 13:20, 16 March 2012 (EDT)

Talk:Mystery:Does God Have a Sense of Humor?

2012-03-13T13:38:28Z

Baobab: /* Critical comments */ new section

== Yes ==

He does, but He doesn't intervene with modern times. Tim Tebow's 316 yards is just a coincidence, and there isn't much reason to think otherwise. [[User:JLefkowitz|JLefkowitz]] 17:55, 10 March 2012 (EST)

:If God has a sense of humor, then it seems highly implausible that He would not intervene to enjoy the humor. Under your view, what would God find funny if not by intervention?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:23, 10 March 2012 (EST)

Obviously, God is infinitely great, a sense of humor is a good quality. If He was lacking it, He wouldn't be infinitely great. Therefore he must have not only a sense of humor, but an infinitely great and perfect sense of humor. --[[User:CraigF|CraigF]] 14:04, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

*[[User:FrancisB52|FrancisB52]] 16:01, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

Of course God has a sense of humor. Archbishop Fulton Sheen did an episode on that in his show Life is Worth Living, and you can look it up on YouTube (look for Fulton Sheen Divine Sense of Humor). Humor is a recognition of the Truth, and pointing that out. So, of course God has a great sense of humor. --[[User:Wayfinder|Wayfinder]] 15:57, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

== No ==

== Not applicable ==

God is not a human being and is above human psychological traits. The "logic" argument appears to create God in the image of man, which verges on the blasphemous. The argument is fallacious: Just replace "sense of humor" with some less pleasant traits, like "Man has to relieve himself regularly in the bathroom. Does God have to go to the bathroom?" Obviously not! As regards the history argument, you should read the comedies of [[Aristophanes]], written around 400 BC. They are very funny! --[[User:FrederickT3|FrederickT3]] 18:09, 10 March 2012 (EST)

:Emotions like humor are not physical. God surely does have other emotions like love, anger, sorrow, joy, etc., and man has them as well after being created in God's image.

:Pre-Christian Greek "humor" tends to be very simple, and barely funny by today's more sophisticated standards as developed by the Christian world.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:34, 10 March 2012 (EST)

== Atilla the Hun ==

I had no idea this guy was a leading political leader! Which elections did he run in? Which party did he belong to? - was it the Democrats? Just joking - this article is supposed to be about a sense of humour. By the way, watch the British comedy 'The thick of it' if you want to fully appreciate political humour. On second thoughts maybe 'yes minister' might be more your style - it's less sweary. [[User:EJamesW|EJamesW]] 18:13, 10 March 2012 (EST)

:Politics is a broader concept than [[democracy]]. Or do you think that [[Julius Caesar]] was not a political leader?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:25, 10 March 2012 (EST)

Here's the last known clip of Julius Caesar meeting a voter! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs4bOMv5Xw He he [[User:EJamesW|EJamesW]] 18:33, 10 March 2012 (EST)

::Of course he was a political leader, but I hadn't realised that Atilla was an atheist. I would have expected him to worship whatever pagan gods the Huns worshipped at the time. Very few non-Christians at that time would have been atheists; or is there a specific reference to support Atilla's atheism?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:33, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

:::Note that Conservapedia's own Attila the Hun article says that he "relied on seers and "gods"".--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 11:34, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

== Seriously? ==

*'''logic''': man has a sense of humor, and man was created in the image of God. Hence God has a sense of humor.
:''Man, possesses many qualities that God would have no need for, both psychological and biological. Conversely God has boundless abilities that man does not posses. Therefore it's pointless to speculate on qualities God may have based on those manifested by mankind.''
*'''history''': man's sense of humor improved with the discovery and expansion of Christianity, which indicates their strong correlation.
:''This doesn't even make sense.''
*'''politics''': atheistic political figures are known for their lack of a sense of humor, such as [[Attila the Hun]], which suggests that the opposite of God is a lack of sense of humor.
:''And the Grand Ayatollah Khomeini was a regular barrel of laughs.''
*'''religious''': the encounter on the road to Emmaus, described at [[Luke_17-24_(Translated)#Chapter_24|Luke 25:13-31]], strongly suggests that God has intervened in amusing ways.
:''You may have a point with this one, I am sure atheists, theists of other faiths, and non-literalist Christians, find much to laugh at.''
*'''scientific''': snowstorms have disrupted [[global warming]] conferences; regions that promote the global warming hoax have been subjected to brutally cold weather.
:''So when God causes record breaking warm winters, are those the jokes that bomb?''
*'''athletic''': [[Tim Tebow]]'s completion of ten passes for 316 yards, at 31.6 yards per competition, in his stunning playoff victory against the [[Pittsburgh Steelers]], echoed his promotion of [[John_1-7_(Translated)#Chapter_3|John 3:16]].
:''I wasn't aware that statistical anomalies, commonly known as coincidences, were considered "humor".''--[[User:JoshuaB|JoshuaB]] 19:38, 10 March 2012 (EST)

'''Each point is addressed below''':

*'''logic''': man has a sense of humor, and man was created in the image of God. Hence God has a sense of humor.
:''Man, possesses many qualities that God would have no need for, both psychological and biological. Conversely God has boundless abilities that man does not posses. Therefore it's pointless to speculate on qualities God may have based on those manifested by mankind.''

::No, this would deny many other emotions that God sure does have: love, joy, sorrow, anger, etc., all documented in the Bible.

*'''history''': man's sense of humor improved with the discovery and expansion of Christianity, which indicates their strong correlation
:''This doesn't even make sense.''

::A non-response requires no answer, but humor developed immensely along with Christianity, and arguably did not exist except in a very simple way before Christianity.

*'''politics''': atheistic political figures are known for their lack of a sense of humor, such as [[Attila the Hun]], which suggests that the opposite of God is a lack of sense of humor.
:''And the Grand Ayatollah Khomeini was a regular barrel of laughs.''

::Again, a non-response requires no answer. Are you claiming something about his sense of humor?

*'''religious''': the encounter on the road to Emmaus, described at [[Luke_17-24_(Translated)#Chapter_24|Luke 25:13-31]], strongly suggests that God has intervened in amusing ways.
:''You may have a point with this one, I am sure atheists, theists of other faiths, and non-literalist Christians, find much to laugh at.''

::That doesn't merit a response either.

*'''scientific''': snowstorms have disrupted [[global warming]] conferences; regions that promote the global warming hoax have been subjected to brutally cold weather.
:''So when God causes record breaking warm winters, are those the jokes that bomb?''

::You have to explain yourself better if you want a response.

*'''athletic''': [[Tim Tebow]]'s completion of ten passes for 316 yards, at 31.6 yards per competition, in his stunning playoff victory against the [[Pittsburgh Steelers]], echoed his promotion of [[John_1-7_(Translated)#Chapter_3|John 3:16]].
:''I wasn't aware that statistical anomalies, commonly known as coincidences, were considered "humor".''--[[User:JoshuaB|JoshuaB]] 19:38, 10 March 2012 (EST)

::The likelihood of such "statistical anomalies" is vanishingly small.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 22:29, 10 March 2012 (EST)

:::"The likelihood of such "statistical anomalies" is vanishingly small." Well, let's see. A QB is going to throw for some number of yards between 0 and (say) 600 and complete somewhere between 0 and (say) 40 passes. Given how Tebow was used last year, the range is probably much smaller for each, but let's go with that. So the odds of coincidentally completing 10 passes for 316 yards is (at most) 1 in 24,000. Then we'd have to divide that by the number of other verses he's had on his eye black (there are at least two: Proverbs 3:5-6[http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_uf/2009/09/tebow-draws-more-attention-for-eyeblack-messages.html] and Philippians 4:13 [http://www.christianpost.com/news/tim-tebow-explains-why-he-tebows-uses-bible-verses-70824/]). So now we're down to at most 1 in 8,000. We could stop there, but I'd probably divide by the number of NFL games he's started (1 in 571) or at least the number of playoff games he's started (1 in 4,000). I suppose it's open to interpretations, but I wouldn't call that "vanishingly small" and think it's well within the realm of coincidence. [[User:JustinD|JustinD]] 01:07, 11 March 2012 (EST)

::::Your analysis is interesting, but does not include the small likelihood of the Broncos making the playoffs and defeating America's most (or second most) popular team, the Steelers - and thereby generating the enormous publicity. That probability alone was probably only 1 in 1000. Using your 1 in 24,000 likelihood for throwing for 10 passes for 316 yards, the overall probability of what happened is less than 1 in a million - far less than a reasonable coincidence. The other verses, by the way, do not compare with [[John_1-7_(Translated)#Chapter_3|John 3:16]] in significance.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 08:41, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

:::::But the question remains: what is so funny about something being unlikely? I think most people, atheists and Christians alike, would call such a statistical anomaly striking rather than funny. As far as the other examples are concerned: if that is supposed to be God's repertoire, I am afraid He would make a lousy stand-up comedian. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 10:46, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

::::::Perhaps it takes a good sense of humor to appreciate it. Some (other than God) do take sports games very, very seriously, but to most people they are a source of entertainment and amusement. Cal Berkeley's unlikely last-second victory over John Elway's Stanford team in 1981 or 1982, with the repeated laterals on the final kick-off return, was very serious to some (including Elway and the players), but was replayed repeatedly on television for amusement rather than serious news.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 13:21, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

:::::The problem with using this sort of probability computation for this sort of coincidence to determine whether it arose due to chance is that you are doing it ''ex post''. To borrow an example from John Allen Paulos's ''Innumeracy'', it would be nonsense to look at a bridge hand of 13 cards from a deck of 52, conclude that the probability of that particular hand's having been dealt is less than 1 over 600 billion, and therefore conclude that it must not have arisen due to chance. Seeing a coincidence and then trying to examine after the fact what the probability would have been for such a coincidence to occur to illustrate miraculous behavior is a classic example of the [[sharpshooter fallacy]]. [[User:GregG|GregG]] 16:00, 11 March 2012 (EDT)
:Andy, I just want to make sure I understand correctly: The duck-billed platypus was designed to amuse us, red autumn foliage was designed to impress us with its breath-taking beauty, Tebow's 316 yard pass was guided to promote John 3:16. Fine. On the other hand, last year's tsunami was entirely due to entropy, right? No humorous message there? --[[User:FrederickT3|FrederickT3]] 16:25, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

== Seriously? Revisited... ==
Mr. Schlafly, for some reason you chose to respond to my post to basically state that my post... wasn't worth... responding to... huh? Anyway, to cut to the chase, I'm not sure what's creating this "mystery" for you. The Bible contains several examples of God laughing which, to me, would seem like case closed. So instead of writing an article cataloging God's humor as expressed in scripture, you instead trot out a list of dubious claims. I think the only true mystery here is why you wrote this article. --[[User:JoshuaB|JoshuaB]] 19:06, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

== Umberto Eco ==

This is a key question in the novel ''The Name of the Rose'' by Umberto Eco. There is a faction of monks who insist that Jesus never laughed, since if He had a sense of humor it would destroy their particular interpretation of the Gospels. I'd recommend that novel to anyone interested in this topic.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 09:46, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
:It's been ages since I read that book, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that their argument was based on a flimsy argument from silence. [[User:DavidE|DavidE]] 11:43, 12 March 2012 (EDT)
::Yes I think so, but my point is that some people historically have considered the question of God's sense of humor (or lack of it) a crucial theological question. I doubt Eco made the idea up out of nothing. So this discussion has a fine pedigree.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 12:04, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

== Scripture as a guide ==

1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. Using this as a guide, God's blandest humor is funnier than the planet's most celebrated comedian. Personally, I think it will be challenging to document emotions. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 16:44, 12 March 2012 (EDT)

== Critical comments ==

*'''logic''': man has a sense of humor, and man was created in the image of God. Hence God has a sense of humor.
:Same logic: man is horny, and man was created in the image of God. Hence God is horny.
*'''scientific''': snowstorms have disrupted [[global warming]] conferences; regions that promote the global warming hoax have been subjected to brutally cold weather.
:That brutally cold weather must have caused great discomfort to (and probably the death of) quite a few homeless people, which makes this a sick divine joke. After all, it wasn't their fault that the region they happened to live in promotes the global warming hoax. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 09:38, 13 March 2012 (EDT)

Mystery:Does God Have a Sense of Humor?

2012-03-13T13:30:53Z

Baobab: minor corrections

'''Does [[God]] Have a Sense of Humor?'''

Rarely is the sense of humor of God discussed or analyzed, '''''but there are many compelling reasons to conclude that God does have a sense of humor''''':

*'''logic''': man has a sense of humor, and man was created in the image of God. Hence God has a sense of humor.
*'''history''': man's sense of humor improved with the discovery and expansion of Christianity, which indicates their strong correlation.
*'''politics''': atheistic political figures are known for their lack of a sense of humor, such as [[Attila the Hun]] and [[Adolf Hitler]], which suggests that the opposite of God is a lack of sense of humor.
*'''religious''': the encounter on the road to Emmaus, described at [[Luke_17-24_(Translated)#Chapter_24|Luke 25:13-31]], strongly suggests that God has intervened in amusing ways; also, God sometimes uses [[sarcasm]], as in [[Amos_(Translated)#Chapter_4|Amos 4:4]].
*'''scientific''': snowstorms have disrupted [[global warming]] conferences; regions that promote the global warming hoax have been subjected to brutally cold weather.
*'''athletic''': [[Tim Tebow]]'s completion of ten passes for 316 yards, at 31.6 yards per competition, in his stunning playoff victory against the [[Pittsburgh Steelers]], echoed his promotion of [[John_1-7_(Translated)#Chapter_3|John 3:16]].
*'''zoology''': there are various animals, such as the duck-billed platypus, that seem designed in order to amuse.
*'''[[atheism]]''': atheistic nations like [[North Korea]] are known for their lack of a sense of humor.
*'''[[ontological argument|ontological]]''': God is defined as the greatest being conceivable, and it's better to have a sense of humor than not; therefore God has a sense of humor.

Talk:Mystery:Does God Have a Sense of Humor?

2012-03-11T14:46:55Z

Baobab:

Swing state

2012-03-05T07:16:35Z

Baobab:

'''Swing states''' are [[state]]s in which neither the [[Republican]] nor [[Democratic]] candidate has a clear majority of the voters' support prior to a Presidential election, and therefore could "swing" the election results in either direction. They are also known as "battleground states" because they are where the majority of the campaigning takes place for both parties. Since states that consistently express a preference for either the Democratic of Republican candidate are usually referred to as [[blue state|blue states]] and [[red state|red states]], repectively, these states are also called "purple states" in order to highlight their mixed demographical nature.

'''It is expected that hundreds of millions of dollars in negative ads by [[Super PAC]]s will be spent in these swing states in the fall of 2012'''.

Here are the key swing states for the [[Presidential Election 2012]], ranked by likelihood that [[Barack Obama]] will lose them despite winning them in 2008. These eight swing states will have a total of 122 [[Electoral College]] votes in 2012. ('''''In 2008 Obama won by a margin of only six of these states'''''.)

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!State
!Margin of [[Obama]]'s win in 2008
!Indicators
!Electoral Votes in 2012
|-
|Indiana
|1%
|Indiana was a red state from 1964 to 2004, and when Obama took the state in 2008 it was by an extremely narrow margin. Obama is currently very unpopular in the state.
|11
|-
|Virginia
|6%
|Elected a Republican governor, [[Bob McDonnell]], in 2009. In the 2011 elections the Republican party took the state senate, giving them control over both houses of the legislature
|13
|-
|Pennsylvania
|10%
|Obama's disapproval rating is high: 54%, and [[Republicans]] swept the elections in 2010; also, Obama polled poorly here in 2008 against [[Hillary Clinton]].<ref>[http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1327.xml?ReleaseID=1653 Quinnipiac poll done late September 2011]</ref>
|20
|-
|Florida
|2.8%
|Elected a Republican for both governor and Senate in the 2010 midterm elections; however, Governor [[Rick Scott]] is currently (Dec. 2011) very unpopular in the state. Obama's approval in the state is below 50% and without Florida his reelection is unlikely.
|29
|-
|Ohio
|4.6%
|Ohio voted Republican in the 2010 elections, but the public unions repealed the collective bargaining reforms by popular vote. This indicates heavy union influence who always vote democrat.
|18
|-
|Wisconsin
|13.9%
|Elected Republicans to the state legislature, governor's office, and Senate in 2010. Despite much complaining by Democrats and their [[labor union]] allies, recall attempts in 2011 failed to overturn the GOP majority in the state senate.
|10
|-
|North Carolina
|0.3%
|The current [[Democratic]] governor, [[Bev Perdue]], is highly unpopular and polling badly, especially in the wake of recent scandals among her staff.
|15
|-
|Nevada
|12.5%
|A recent special election for the state's 2nd congressional district was predicted to be competitive but resulted in a decisive victory for [[Republican]] [[Mark Amodei]]. [[Harry Reid]] won reelection in 2010 despite [[Tea Party]] opposition, but this may have been due to discrepancies and corruption in the voting process.
|6
|}

Other states of interest that can also be considered "swing states":
{| class="wikitable"
|-
!State
!Margin of [[Obama]]'s win in 2008
!Indicators
!Electoral Votes in 2012
|-
|Colorado
|9%
|[[Pro-life]], pro-[[Christian]] [[Tim Tebow]]'s phenomenal success for the Denver Broncos is changing the culture there.
|9
|-
|Michigan
|16%
|Mitt Romney, though not ideal for the average conservative, grew up in Michigan and could put it into play. His father, [[George Romney]], served as governor of the state.
|16
|-
|Iowa
|9.5%
|
|6
|-
|New Hampshire
|9.6%
|
|4
|-
|New Mexico
|15%
|
|5
|}

==2008 Swing States==
*[[Colorado]]
*[[Florida]]
*[[Iowa]]
*[[Michigan]]
*[[Minnesota]]
*[[Missouri]]
*[[New Hampshire]]
*[[New Mexico]]
*[[Ohio]]
*[[Pennsylvania]]
*[[Wisconsin]]
*[[Virginia]]

== See also ==

*[[Presidential Election 2012]]
*[[Endorsements 2012]]

== External links ==

*[http://www.tnr.com/article/the-vital-center/95467/obama-mccain-elections-gop-democrats Analysis of Electoral College and popular vote]

== References ==

<references/>

[[Category:politics]]
[[Category:United States]]

User talk:Ayzmo

2012-03-04T21:57:14Z

Baobab: /* Manual of Style */

{{welcome}}
[[User:KevinDavis|Kevin Davis]] [[User talk:KevinDavis|Talk]] 23:07, 15 October 2011 (EDT)

==OWS==
I've been watching you add religious people to the sympathizer. I reverted your edits regarding the pope. He did not mention Occupy Wall Street, he mentioned banking reforms and world government that moves away from liberal financial greed. I will research the Archbishop of Canterbury addition next. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 10:22, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
:I didn't add the Archbishop as you can see in the edit history. He was added by someone else. I just changed it so that it added the internal link as per what I said in my edit description as the person who added it did not. I did no research as to whether or not he supports it but figured I'd fix the formatting. As to the Papal addition, the piece he put out has been widely, from what I've read, been interpreted as sharing the views of OWS if not an endorsement. I haven't read much of the actual piece but it is not exactly a glowing review of American Capitalism. If you don't agree with the addition that's fine, I just thought I'd try and contribute more to that article than just grammar flow and formatting. Thanks for the explanation since I probably would have wondered why. [[User:Ayzmo|Ayzmo :)]] 17:55, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
:The addition of Rowan was done by user ScottDG, fyi. And Rowan has, according to the Telegraph article, endorsed the UK branch of OWS currently camped out outside St. Paul's. Unless the quote is false or miss-attributed(same thing really) there is no reason he shouldn't be on the list. Again, like the Pope, I really don't care if he is or not. OWS is not exactly an interest of mine. [[User:Ayzmo|Ayzmo :)]] 18:02, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry for the mix up in attribution. Rowan did not endorse the Occupy protests, it was recognition. A decision was made not to evict the protesters, which had been the plan. Calling for banking reform might be interpreted as aligning behind the movement as he blames capitalism like the protesters do. The Telegraph headline is a bit misleading "The Archbishop of Canterbury has thrown his weight behind the St Paul’s Cathedral anti-capitalist protesters." As for the Pope, he was not calling for socialism and he was not blaming capitalism. He was blaming greed by way of liberal financial practices. Hardly an endorsement but too tempting for agenda driven WaPo not to hype. Keep up the good work and do tell what Ayzmo stands for. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 18:54, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
::It isn't a problem. Quick looks at edit logs don't tell much. And that works for me. Again, not my area of interest. I do like to clean up things that bother me though so I wander in now and then because I'm nosy and watch every page I edit.

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Hollywood values

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'''Hollywood values''' are characterized by decadence, [[narcissism]], rampant [[drug|drug use]], [[adultery|extramarital sex]] leading to the spread of sexually-transmitted [[disease]], [[abortion]], lawlessness and the promotion of the [[homosexual agenda]]. Such values have a very negative influence on the life of individuals, and very often lead to death. A 2006 poll by MSNBC said that 60% of [[Americans]] agree that "Hollywood's values are not in line with the rest of America and that the quality of movies has diminished in recent years."<ref>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11714540/</ref>

The lack of [[morals]] and [[values]] in [[Hollywood]] culture has been destroying the fabric of American culture, particularly the family.

There have been, however, a handful of prominent people whose work in Hollywood opposed these values. [[Ronald Reagan]], [[James Stewart]], [[Charlton Heston]], [[Pat Boone]], [[Paul Schofield]], [[Walt Disney]] and many others practiced conservative values while working in Hollywood and the productions of these and many others also reflect these values, irrespective of the star names associated with them: [[The Chronicles of Narnia]] and ''Independence Day'' (a movie about [[Independence Day]]) being recent examples.

Hollywood values include a flagrant disrespect and disregard for:

* [[marriage]] and [[abstinence]]
* [[patriotism]]
* [[religion]] and [[spirituality]] (Hollywood's profits depend on the [[advertising]] and sale of [[materialism|material goods]] and other superficial "solutions" to problems.)
* [[accountability]]
* the U.S. military<ref>[http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/editorials/hollywood_gets_it_right_p4d84a9jyymsfLw0THb7EM Hollywood gets it right, New York Post, March 09, 2010]</ref>
* family responsibilities, like childrearing<ref>[[Britney Spears]] "doesn't want [her] kids back." [http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132008/news/nationalnews/brit_doesnt_want_her_kids__1st_ex_97425.htm]</ref>
* laws that apply to everyone else
* Commonly accepted behavioral boundaries and values of human decency
* hard work and humility

In addition, Hollywood portrays these values as rebellious and [[counterculture|countercultural]]. They portray religious and spiritual institutions as greedy, self-serving, sexually perverted, prejudiced, ignorant, and unscientific. When comparing the satisfaction brought about by faith, spirituality, family, and friendship, which may happen to include donations to a church or other organization, it is clear that the profits of Hollywood and the industries which rely upon Hollywood for profit are the true establishment - thus making traditional values truly rebellious and countercultural, and Hollywood values a lie.

==Deaths ==
Hollywood values are deadly. Tourists in Hollywood can visit over 30 sites of typically self-inflicted Hollywood celebrity deaths.<ref>http://www.hollywoodusa.co.uk/celebrity-death-sites.htm</ref> A sampling of deaths caused by Hollywood values include:<ref>http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=4174733&page=1</ref><ref>http://www.citytv.com/toronto/citynews/entertainment/news/article/20021--list-of-celebrities-taken-by-drug-use-tragic-and-growing</ref>
*[[Nick Adams]], 36, TV actor died of an overdose from barbiturates.
*[[John Barrymore]], 60, cirrhosis of the liver from heavy drinking
*[[John Belushi]], 33, was a repeated drug abuser who ultimately died of a lethal injection of cocaine and heroin
*[[John Bonham]], 32, after too much drinking, asphyxiated on vomit
*[[Elisa Bridges]], 28, 'Playboy' magazine model, drug overdose combining heroin, methamphetamine and other drugs
*[[Joseph Brooks]], 73, Hollywood producer, composer, lyricist, and accused multiple rapist committed suicide.
*[[David Carradine]], 72, died from suffocation, most likely suicide, had history of suicidal thoughts, alcohol and narcotics abuse <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525177,00.html Thai Police: Carradine Death May Be Accidental Suffocation] Fox News, June 05, 2009 </ref>
*[[Stephen Clark]], 30, Def Leppard guitarist, drug and alcohol overdose<ref>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1108020/bio</ref>
*[[Lana Clarkson]], 40, actress and model murdered by [[Phil Spector]]
*[[Kurt Cobain]], 27, lead singer from the band Nirvana, a heroin addict who committed suicide with a shotgun blast to the head.
*[[Ray Combs]], 40, host of the TV game show ''Family Feud'' committed suicide by hanging himself in a psychiatric ward.
*[[Jeff Conaway]], 60, film and television actor died from a suspected overdose. He struggled with addictions to cocaine and alcohol.
*[[Don Cornelius]], 75, "Soul Train" TV creator died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/02/01/soul-train-creator-don-cornelius-dead-apparent-suicide-report-says/ 'Soul Train' creator Don Cornelius dead of apparent suicide, Fox News, February 1, 2012]</ref>
*[[John Costelloe]], 47, actor from HBO's ''The Sopranos'' known as "Johnny Cakes", shot himself in the head. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472864,00.html 'Sopranos' Actor Shocks Fans, Loved Ones With Holiday Suicide] NYPost, December 25, 2008</ref>
*[[Bob Crane]],49, the actor's success led to a bizarre life of sex addiction. He was bludgeoned to death.
*[[Karl Dane]], 47, suicide by gunshot
*[[James Dean]], 24, a notoriously reckless and frequently ticketed driver crashed fatally head-on into a car turning left in front of his Porsche (see also crime, below)
*[[Kevin DuBrow]], 52, lead singer of 80's metal band Quiet Riot died from an overdose of cocaine.
*[[Ryan Dunn]], 34, [[MTV]]'s reality star from the series ''Jackass'', died in a 3:00 AM auto accident after a night of drinking. [http://www.tmz.com/2011/06/20/jackass-ryan-dunn-dies-dead-car-crash-accident-pennsylvania/]
*[[Eazy-E]], 31. [[AIDS]] contracted through drug use.
*[[Peg Entwistle]], 24, leaped to her death from atop the Hollywood sign.
*[[Brian Epstein]], 32, overdosed on sleeping pills and alcohol
*[[Chris Farley]], 33, overdose of morphine and cocaine
*[[Judy Garland]], 47, overdosed on sleeping pills
*[[Lucy Gordon]], 28, British actress from the movie ''Spiderman 3'', hung herself <ref>[http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Movies/wireStory?id=7642829 Actress Lucy Gordon Found Dead at Age 28 in Paris, ABC News, May 21, 2009]</ref>
*[[Paul Gray]], 38, bassist of heavy metal band Slipknot, died of an overdose of morphine and fentanyl. <ref>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100622/ap_on_en_mu/us_slipknot_bassist_autopsy</ref>
*[[Lee Grivas]], 26, the on-again, off-again boyfriend of actress Christina Applegate, 36, was found dead of an apparent drug overdose<ref>http://www.bloggernews.net/116552a</ref>
*Corey Haim, 38, teen idol who starred in many movies and then a reality show, died of a drug overdose.<ref>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8560246.stm</ref>
*[[Russell Craig Hamer]], 42, child actor, self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.
*[[Phil Hartman]], 49, murdered in his million-dollar house by his drug-addicted third wife Brynn Hartman
*[[Margaux Hemingway]], 42, suicide
*[[Jimi Hendrix]], 27, an enthusiastic abuser of illegal drugs, choked on his own vomit after overdosing on sleeping pills and alcohol.
*[[Rock Hudson]], 59, AIDS
*[[Michael Hutchence]], 37, asphyxiated during an auto-erotic act while alone in a Sydney hotel. His wife, Paula Yates (see below), also fell victim to Hollywood Values.
*[[Michael Jackson]], 50, cardiac arrest from a toxic mixture and abuse of prescription drugs, improperly prescribed by doctors.
*[[Richard Jeni]], 49, suicide<ref>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258231,00.html</ref>
*[[Russell Tyrone Jones]] (a.k,a. "Old Dirty Bastard"), 35, musician, died of drug overdose two days before his 36th birthday
*[[Janis Joplin]], 27, heroin overdose
*[[Andrew Koenig]], 41, child actor in the TV series ''Growing Pains'', committed suicide.<ref>[http://omg.yahoo.com/news/andrew-koenigs-body-found-in-vancouver-park/36485?nc Andrew Koenig's Body Found in Vancouver Park, Yahoo News, February 25, 2010]</ref>
*[[Jani Lane]], 47, lead singer for the rock band Warrant was found dead in a hotel room. He had a history of alcohol abuse.<ref>[http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/11/warrant-singer-jani-lane-dead-dies-died-hotel-ventura-los-angeles-cherry-pie/ EX-WARRANT SINGER JANI LANE
DEAD AT 47, TMZ.com, August 11, 2011]</ref>
*[[Heath Ledger]], 28, found dead in his [[Manhattan]] apartment. "Ledger died of an accidental overdose of painkillers, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety medication and other prescription drugs, the New York City medical examiner said Wednesday." <ref>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328828,00.html</ref>
*[[Bruce Lee]] (Li Xiaolong), actor, 33, collapsed and died; trace amounts of cannabis found in bloodstream at postmortem; the official cause of death was acute cerebral edema (swelling of the brain) from hypersensitivity to aspirin.
*[[Stuart Lubbock]], 31, found dead in the swimming pool of popular TV entertainer [[Michael Barrymore]], having suffered severe anal trauma, after a drug-fueled party at the star's home
*[[Queen (band)|Freddie Mercury]], 45, born Farrokh Bulsara, lead singer of the band Queen, died from AIDS-related bronchial pneumonia.
*[[Sal Mineo]], 37, murdered under circumstances that suggested "a homosexual motive".
*[[Marilyn Monroe]], 36, overdosed on sleeping pills.
*[[Keith Moon]], drummer of [[The Who]], 32, overdose of Clomethiazole prescribed to treat his [[alcoholism]].
*[[Jim Morrison]], 27, died of an apparent heroin overdose.
*[[Brittany Murphy]], 32, motion picture film actress died of cardiac arrest from combining prescription drugs <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/02/27/brittany-murphy-taken-vicodin-days/ Brittany Murphy May Have Taken 109 Vicodin in 11 Days, Fox News, February 27, 2010]</ref> Official death from pneumonia and drug intoxication.
*[[Chris Penn]], 40, brother of [[Sean Penn]], "died accidentally from an enlarged heart and the effects of a mix of multiple medications".
*[[River Phoenix]], 23, died from an overdose of cocaine and heroin.
*[[Dana Plato]], 34, ''Diff'rent Strokes'' star, suicide by drugs overdose after posing for lesbian pornography.
*[[Elvis Presley]], 42, large drug intake causes a cardiac arrhythmia, and rumored to have suffocated on the carpet when he collapsed from a drug overdose.
*[[Freddie Prinze]], 22, actor from ''Chico and the Man'', committed suicide by gunshot to the head.
*[[Richard Pryor]], 65, comedian with a history of smoking cocaine, died of a heart attack.
*[[Virginia Rappe]], 30, died of a ruptured bladder incurred at a party hosted by [[Roscoe Arbuckle]].
*[[Robert Reed]], 59, actor known as Mike Brady on ''The Brady Bunch'' was a homosexual with AIDS, died from cancer in 1992.<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/08/14/brady-bunch?slide=25 Robert Reed in 1990, Fox News]</ref>
*[[Brad Renfro]], 25, became addicted to heroin and was found dead after a night of drinking
*[[George Reeves]], 45, played Superman from the series ''Adventures of Superman'', suicide by gunshot
*Rebecca Schaeffer, 21, actress in CBS's television series ''My Sister Sam'', stalked and murdered by a crazed fan.
*[[Jean Seberg]], 40, actress with clinic depression committed suicide by overdose of alcohol and barbiturates
*Michael Showers, 45, HBO actor found dead in the Mississippi River.<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/08/25/treme-actor-michael-showers-body-found-in-mississippi-river/#ixzz1W3rKzHFr 'Treme' Actor Michael Showers' Body Found in Mississippi River, Fox News, August 25, 2011]</ref>
*[[Anna Nicole Smith]], 39, accidental overdose on prescription drugs
*[[Layne Staley]], 34, found dead in apartment two weeks after a drug overdose.<ref>http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/staley1.html</ref> Layne promoted the use of hard drugs in the 1992 [[Alice in Chains]] song "Junkhead"<ref>http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Junkhead-lyrics-Alice-In-Chains/3A665DABDFC00AD54825688F0010CD45</ref>
*[[Dorothy Stratten]], 20, murdered by spouse after engaging in extramarital affair
*[[David Strickland]], 29, cast member of NBC's ''Suddenly Susan'' hung himself in a Las Vegas hotel.
*[[Sharon Tate]], 26, an actress with a [[hippie]] lifestyle who was murdered by followers of [[Charles Manson]], a [[Beatles]]-obsessed musician wannabe; Manson's followers murdered Tate, who was pregnant and only two weeks from birth, her unborn child, her prior lover, who was staying with her while her husband, movie producer [[Roman Polanski]] (see 'Crime', below), was away, and another unmarried couple staying in the house. (It is believed that Manson had actually intended his followers to kill the home's previous residents, [[Terry Melcher]] (son of [[Doris Day]]) and [[Candice Bergen]].)<ref>The Polanski Problem [http://moviegeeksclub.blogspot.com/2008/04/polanski-problem.html]</ref> <ref>Sharon Tate Official Site: Sharon's Biography [http://www.sharontate.net/bio4.html]</ref>
*[[Lou Tellegen]], 52, a silent film and stage actor, suicide
*[[Lupe Velez]], 36, 1920s-1940s movie actress, suicide by an overdose of sleeping pills; she was pregnant and didn't want an illegitimate child.
*[[Sid Vicious]], 21. [[Heroin]] overdose while awaiting trial for his girlfriend's murder.
*[[Herve Villechaize]], 50, actor who played the character Tattoo on the hit show ''Fantasy Island'', committed suicide by self-inflicted gunshot.
*[[Kenneth Williams]], 62, comedian and actor, heart failure from interaction of pain medication and sleeping pills.
*[[Amy Winehouse]], 27, young singer with a life of substance abuse. Toxicology reports showed alcohol but no illegal drugs found in her system.<ref>[http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/amy-winehouse-was-drug-free-when-she-died-20110823 Amy Winehouse Toxicology Report Shows No Illegal Drugs] Perpetua, Matthew, August 23, 2011, ''The Rolling Stone'', retrieved August 25, 2011.</ref>
*[[Natalie Wood]], 43, actress, drowned while intoxicated.
*[[Paula Yates]], 41, television writer, heroin overdose. "Coroner Dr Paul Knapman told Westminster Coroners Court she had not committed suicide but said her behaviour had been "foolish and incautious". Her death was the result of "an unsophisticated taker of heroin" using drugs, he said. The court heard that 0.3mg of morphine per litre of blood was found in her body, which would not have been enough to kill her had she been a heroin addict."<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1013404.stm Heroin overdose killed Yate] November 8, 2000, BBCNews.com, retrieved August 25, 2011</ref>
*[[Bubba Smith]], 66, football player and actor, died from an overdose of diet pills.<ref>[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2056807/Police-Academy-star-Bubba-Smith-died-diet-pill-overdose.html Revealed: Police Academy star Bubba Smith died of a diet pill overdose - Daily Mail]</ref>
*Actor Jonathan Brandis committed suicide in 2003.<ref>[http://www.smh.com.au/news/heath-ledger/ten-actors-who-died-in-their-20s/2008/01/23/1201024961111.html Ten actors who died in their 20s], The Sydney Morning Herald</ref>
*Singer [[Elliott Smith]] committed suicide in 2003 by stabbing himself in the chest.<ref>[http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1475177 Singer Elliott Smith Dead in Apparent Suicide - NPR]</ref>

==Sexually Transmitted Diseases==
The loose sexual morals characteristic of the lifestyle defined by Hollywood Values often lead to sexually transmitted diseases. Examples include,

* [[Rock Hudson]] died of AIDS-related complications after contracting the disease through homosexual intercourse.
* Michael Jeter, who was homosexual, also died due to AIDS-related complications.
* Freddie Mercury of the rock group [[Queen (band)|Queen]], notorious for his flamboyant onstage presence, also contracted AIDS through his wildly promiscuous homosexual lifestyle, and subsequently perished of the self-inflicted condition.

== Crime ==
'''Hollywood values often include being arrested or convicted for a variety of crimes. Here are some examples:'''

* [[Paris Hilton]] was convicted in 2007 of driving while intoxicated, and then violated the terms of her probation, leading to a 45-day prison sentence.<ref>[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18472845/ Paris Hilton sentenced to 45 days in jail], MSNBC, May 4, 2007</ref> She was also arrested in Las Vegas on 8/27/2010 for possession of a controlled substance, [[Cocaine]]. The hotel heiress was a passenger in a vehicle that was stopped by police. The driver was arrested for DUI '''pertaining to drugs, not alcohol'''. Through further interaction between Hilton and authorities, it was discovered she was in possession of a controlled substance. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/28/paris-hilton-arrested-drug-possession/ Paris Hilton arrested in Las Vegas.]</ref> In order to avoid prison, Hilton pleaded guilty to two misdemeanors, and received a sentence of one year's probation, a fine, community service and also was ordered to complete a drug abuse program.
* Actress Lori Petty, who was featured in ''Free Willy'' and ''A League of their Own'', ran into a 14-year-old skateboarder and was arrested for felony drunk driving charges.<ref>http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7015343906</ref>
* Craig Phillip Robinson, the actor famous for playing Darryl Philbin on NBC's ''The Office'', "was arrested on June 29, 2008, on suspicion of possessing MDMA, also known as ecstasy, and methamphetamine."<ref>http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/15/office.actor.arrested.ap/index.html</ref>
* [[Winona Ryder]] was convicted of vandalism and grand theft for stealing designer merchandise worth $5,560.40.<ref>http://www.courttv.com/trials/ryder/</ref>
* [[O.J. Simpson]] is widely believed to have murdered his wife and her friend, and was found liable in a civil (but not criminal) trial. He has since been convicted of unrelated felonies.
*[[Hugh Grant]] was arrested in 1995 when found in a car with a prostitute.<ref>[http://www.mugshots.org/hollywood/hugh-grant.html]</ref>
*[[Stacy Keach]], movie actor, was sentenced to 9 months imprisonment in the [[United Kingdom]] in 1984 after being arrested at [[London]] [[Heathrow Airport]] in possession of a large quantity of [[cocaine]].
*[[Kiefer Sutherland]], an actor starring in Fox television series ''24'' was given a 48-day sentence for DUI in 2007, an offense committed while still on probation following a 2004 conviction for DUI.<ref>Sutherland is released from jail [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7200633.stm BBC]</ref> He was also charged with misdemeanor assault for allegedly head-butting a fashion designer at a nightclub in 2009. <ref>[http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47880 ‘24’ Star Kiefer Sutherland Charged for Allegedly Head-Butting a Fashion Designer] Associated Press, May 8, 2009</ref>

*[[George Michael]] was convicted of "committing a lewd act in public", having been arrested in a public restroom by a plain clothes police officer. Arrested in September 2008 in a [[London]] public lavatory, he was found in possession of crack cocaine and cannabis - but merely received a caution. <ref>http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKLL28201720080921</ref>
*[[Snoop Dogg]], a popular [[rap|rapper]], was arrested in 2006 for [[marijuana]] possession. He is a libertarian<ref>http://www.ucllibertarians.com/celebrities.html</ref> who advocates legal marijuana use.<ref>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/dailydish/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=21457</ref>
*[[Roman Polanski]], Polish-born film producer, is unable to return to Hollywood as he skipped bail and fled to [[France]] after being convicted in 1978 on charges of unlawful sexual intercourse with a thirteen-year old girl.
* Rapper DMX (Earl Simmons) was caught on camera drag racing at a speed over 110 miles on a freeway, and then a SWAT team was used to arrest him three days later on drug and animal cruelty charges. "The Maricopa County sheriff's office says the 37-year-old, whose real name is Earl Simmons, at first tried to barricade himself in his bedroom. He came out as a SWAT team entered during the early-morning raid Friday."<ref>http://news.aol.com/entertainment/music/music-news-story/ar/_a/dmx-arrested-on-animal-cruelty-charges/20080509163709990001</ref>
*[[Martha Stewart]] was charged with illegal [[insider trading]] in 2003.<ref>[http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2003-69.htm SEC press release (SEC Charges Martha Stewart, Broker Peter Bacanovic with Illegal Insider Trading)]</ref>
*[[Tatum O'Neal]] was arrested in 2008 for [[cocaine]] possession. <ref>
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361361,00.html Tatum O'Neal Released After Drug Arrest], [[Associated Press]], ''[[Fox News Channel|Fox News]]'', June 02, 2008.</ref>
*[[James Dean]] displayed an unhealthy interest in a twelve-year-old boy. His former director Elia Kazan later commented: "I've known many actors who have been twisted up in their sex lives, but never anybody as sick and unhealthy as Dean was."
*Redmond O'Neal, son of Farrah Fawcett and Ryan O'Neal, plead guilty to possessing heroin and methamphetamine as well as driving under the influence of drugs.<ref>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_en_ot/people_redmond_o_neal;_ylt=AiQCBwpJpxqBOFWVyqEycXsDW7oF Redmond O'Neal pleads guilty to drug charges</ref>
*[[Actor]] Nick Nolte was arrested for drunk driving in 2002.<ref>http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/nolte1.html</ref>
*[[Sean Bean]] was arrested and spent the night in a cell after allegedly beating his wife.<ref>http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hR3pX0eEytJcMo7m5LRLHOYpasSA</ref>
*[[Shelley Malil]], 43, worked as an actor in [[movies]] and television. He is charged with causing great bodily injury and using a deadly weapon on Kendra Beebe, a 35-year-old [[mother]] of two. He appeared on the back patio of Kendra's house and stabbed her 20 times. Now held on a $10 million dollar bond. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug13/0,4670,ActorArrested,00.html 40-Year-Old Virgin' actor pleads not guilty] AP, August 13, 2008</ref>
*Former child actor [[Skylar Deleon]], who had a minor part in one episode of the ''Power Rangers'' series, was found guilty of three murders, including those of Tom and Jackie Hawks, who were allegedly bound to the anchor of their yacht and tossed overboard. <ref>[http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/21/local/me-deleon21 Deleon guilty of killing couple at sea
</ref> He was subsequently sentenced to death.<ref>http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=66850</ref>
*Musician George O'Dowd, better known by his stage name, [[Boy George]], was convicted for handcuffing a male escort to a bed against his will and then beating him with a chain.<ref>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1092168/Guilty-Boy-George-warned-judge-faces-jail-falsely-imprisoning-male-escort.html</ref> He served 4 months of his 15-month sentence in jail, and then spent an additional 90 days on home detention with electronic surveillance. Earlier he had been convicted of cocaine possession.
*Dana Plato was arrested for armed robbery and prescription forgery.
*Todd Bridges assaulted a motorist and was repeatedly arrested for drug-related offenses.
*Gary Coleman was arrested for assaulting a woman by punching her in the face.
*Musician/Producer [[Phil Spector]] was found guilty of second-degree murder for the shooting death of actress Lana Clarkson. <ref>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30194936/</ref>
*Actor Elmore "Rip" Torn was arrested for breaking into a bank and carrying a firearm while intoxicated. In 2009, he was given probation in a drunk-driving case. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/01/30/actor-rip-torn-arrested-allegedly-breaking-connecticut-bank/?test=latestnews Actor Rip Torn Arrested for Allegedly Breaking Into Connecticut Bank, Fox News, January 30, 2010]</ref>
*Former teen actor Leif Garrett was arrested for possession of a controlled substance. He has a number of former arrests including [[heroin]] possession. <ref>[http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/03/crimesider/entry6170622.shtml Leif Garrett Arrested: Former Teen Idol Busted for Controlled Substance, CBS News, February 3, 2010]</ref>
*[[Sean Penn]] was charged with criminal battery and vandalism for attacking the paparazzi in October 2009. <ref>[http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/19/sean-penn-crime-battery-vandalism-prosecution-jail-paparazzi/ Sean Penn Charged With Crimes, TMZ, February 19, 2010]</ref>
*Comedian [[Andy Dick]] was arrested for groping an employee and a patron of a nightclub in West Virginia. <ref>[http://www.herald-dispatch.com/breaking/x818845820/Andy-Dick-arrested-by-HPD Andy Dick charged with felony, shows still on, Herald Dispatch, January 23, 2010]</ref>
*Actor Nicholas Brendon from ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' and ''Criminal Minds'' was arrested March 2010 in a drunken scuffle with police. He was charged with resisting arrest, two counts of battery against a police officer and felony vandalism. Brendon has a history of alcoholism.<ref>[http://www.popeater.com/2010/04/07/nicholas-brendon-arrested-charged/ 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' Star Charged With Police Battery, Vandalism, PopEater.com, April 7, 2010]</ref>
*Hollywood television producer Bruce Beresford-Redman of CBS's ''Survivor'' series was arrested as the lead suspect in the murder of his wife. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/04/08/mexican-official-hollywood-tv-producer-suspect-wifes-death/?test=latestnews 'Survivor' Producer 'Suspected' in Wife's Death in Mexico, FOX News, April 8, 2010]</ref>
*Actor Chris Klein, star of the ''American Pie'' films, which glorify sex and alcohol abuse, was arrested for drunk driving in June 2010<ref>http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/16/american-pie-chris-klein-busted-for-dui-arrest/</ref>
*Actor Michael Brea played roles in ''Ugly Betty'' and ''Step Up 3D'', killed his 55-year old mother with a sword while yelling Bible verses. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/24/ugly-betty-actor-allegedly-kills-mother-foot-sword-screaming-repent/ 'Ugly Betty' Actor Allegedly Kills Mother With 3-Foot Sword While Screaming 'Repent', FOX News, November 24, 2010]</ref>
*TV host and actor Gary Collins was arrested and charged with a felony for allegedly leaving a restaurant without paying his $59.35 tab. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/05/tv-host-gary-collins-arrested-skipping-restaurant/ TV Host Gary Collins Arrested for Skipping Out on $59 Restaurant Bill, FOXNews, January 5, 2011]</ref>
*Actress Jaime Pressly was arrested for driving under the influence. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/01/11/jaime-pressly-wasted-dui-arrest/ Jaime Pressly Blew Nearly Three Times Legal Limit on Breathalyzer Before Arrest, Fox News, January 11, 2011 ]</ref>
*Korey Rowe, producer of the 9/11 conspiracy film ''Loose Change'', was arrested for selling heroin.<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/31/conspiracy-film-producer-arrested-drug-charges/?test=latestnews 9/11 Conspiracy Film Producer Arrested on Drug Charges, Fox News, January 31, 2011]</ref>
*Lindsay Lohan is facing felony grand theft charges; she was accused of stealing a $2500 necklace from a Venice boutique.<ref>[ttp://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/02/05/lindsay-lohan-facing-years-state-prison-jewelry-theft Lindsay Lohan Facing Three Years in State Prison, Fox News, February 5, 2011]</ref>
*Christina Aguilera was arrested under the misdemeanor charge of public intoxication.<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/03/01/christina-aguilera-arrested-public-intoxication-report-says/?test=faces Christina Aguilera Arrested for Public Intoxication, Fox News, March 1, 2011]</ref>
*Actor Tom Sizemore was arrested on an outstanding warrant for battery. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/09/20/actor-tom-sizemore-arrested-on-outstanding-battery-warrant-report-says/#ixzz1YVp32AsJ Actor Tom Sizemore Arrested, Fox News, September 20, 2011]</ref>
*Canadian filmmaker Roger Avery, who had collaborated with Quentin Tarantino in the past, was convicted of drunk driving and vehicular manslaughter in August 2009.<ref>[http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/film/story/2009/08/21/avary-plea.html Pulp Fiction writer pleads guilty over deadly car crash - CBC0]</ref>
*[[Christian Bale]] was arrested for assaulting his mother.<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,388124,00.html Christian Bale Arrested for Allegedly Assaulting Mother, Sister; Actor Denies Allegation - Fox News]</ref>
*[[Nicole Polizzi]], star of the reality show ''Jersey Shore'', was arrested in July 2010 for disorderly conduct and a month later was fined $500 for the charges that followed.<ref>[http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/entertainment/2012835886_apusjerseyshorearrest.html MTV's `Snooki' fined $500 for bothering beachgoers - The Seattle Times]</ref> On may 31 2011 she got into troubles with the law once more, this time in Italy.<ref>p[http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90050118?Snooki%20crashes%20into%20police%20patrol%20car%20in%20Florence%2C%20Causes%20traffic%20jam Snooki crashes into police patrol car in Florence, Causes traffic jam]</ref>
*[[David Faustino]], known primarily for playing Bud in ''[[Married With Children]]'', was arrested in 2007 for possessing Marijuana.<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,272977,00.html 'Married With Children' Actor David Faustino Arrested on Marijuana, Intoxication Charges - Fox News]</ref>
*Actress Natasha Lyonne has a long history of crime and drug use.<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/theater/06simo.html When Living at All Is the Best Revenge - The New York Times]</ref>
*Hollywood producer Robert Evans was convicted in 1980 of possessing cocaine.<ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/20/movies/the-rise-and-fall-and-now-rise-of-robert-evans.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm The Rise and Fall and, Now, Rise of Robert Evans - New York Times]</ref>
*Pop star Gary Glitter was conivcted several times on charges related to child pornography and statutory rape.<ref>[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1088318/Take-Sex-Offender-Registry-says-Gary-Glitter--taxpayers-fund-appeal.html Take me off Sex Offender Registry, says Gary Glitter... and taxpayers will fund his appeal - The Daily Mail]</ref>
*Former child actor Taran Noah Smith from "Home Improvement" was arrested for a DUI and drug possession. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/02/01/home-improvement-kid-busted-for-dui-and-drug-possession/?intcmp=obnetwork 'Home Improvement' actor Taran Noah Smith busted for DUI, drug possession, Fox News, February 2, 2012]</ref>

== Falsehoods ==
''See also: [[Essay:Worst Liberal Movies]]''

[[Hollywood values]] perpetuate [[liberal]]-driven [[Essay:Liberal Falsehoods|falsehoods]]:

*[[Inside Job]]
:A 2010 film by Democrat donor Charles Ferguson that blames the Great Recession on [[Wall Street]], deregulation, the [[Bush Administration]]. The film whitewashes Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's role and claims the financial system corrupted politics. Capitalists are the bad guys.
*[[Fair Game]]
:Another Bush bash flick starring communist [[Sean Penn]]. 2010 film rehashes the lead up to the war in Iraq and [[Valerie Plame]]'s role. Typical un-American Hollywood film ''"The narrative that [[Karl Rove]] and Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff [[Scooter Libby]] were nefarious behind-the-scenes players intent on destroying innocent reputations while pushing the nation into war on false pretenses."'' <ref>[http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/10/hollywood-hit-job-fair-game-propagates-easily-disprovable-myths-about-lead-up-to-iraq-war/ Hollywood hit job: ‘Fair Game’ propagates easily disprovable myths about lead up to Iraq War http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/10/hollywood-hit-job-fair-game-propagates-easily-disprovable-myths-about-lead-up-to-iraq-war The Daily Caller, November 11, 2010]</ref>
*[[The Iron Lady]]
: Meryl Streep plays [[Margaret Thatcher]] in this gross mistake of a film. Liberals distort her triumphs and her low career points. Streep portrays Thatcher as a dementia-sufferer looking back at her life with sadness. The director defended the film as "a fictional film but it will be fair and accurate.” Thatcher's children Mark and Carol are appalled and say “They think it sounds like some Left-wing fantasy." <ref>[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/7895160/Margaret-Thatchers-family-are-appalled-at-Meryl-Streep-film.html Margaret Thatcher's family are 'appalled' at Meryl Streep film, Telegraphe.co.uk, July 17, 2010]</ref>

*[[The Tillman Story]]
:A liberals view of the circumstances surrounding the death of football star and Army Ranger [[Pat Tillman]]. The film portrays each and every fact as sinister. Plus, each and every fact is evidence of a conspiracy. Typical Hollywood [[George W. Bush]] bashing flick. The bias was clear, make Tillman a liberal atheist anti-war hero that was cannon-fodder for the government. Tillman's actions speak louder than any twisted accusations presented in this documentary. <ref>[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/kschlichter/2010/07/13/the-tillman-story-dont-let-the-facts-get-in-the-way-of-your-agenda/ FILM REVIEW: Absurd Conspiracy Theories Abound in Agenda-Driven ‘Tillman Story’, BigHollywood.com]</ref>

*[[Matthew Shepard Fallacy]]
:Adherents to Hollywood values "green-lighted a troika of [[Matthew Shepard]] movies after he was senselessly killed because it affirmed their gut feeling that a gay young man living in backward America is destined for death at the hands of hateful ultraconservatives. A street in West Hollywood still stands in his name despite ABC News reporting the story false: He was killed by crazed meth addicts for drugs and money -- not because he was gay. Isn't that tragic enough? Yet Shepard is still the icon of gay victims' rights, and the mistaken story of his 'fate' soon thereafter befell Jake Gyllenhaal's character in 'Brokeback Mountain.' The Oscar statuette stands as the exclamation point."<ref>http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dustup26sep26,0,1800794,full.story</ref>

*[[Inherit the Wind]]
:Hollywood perpetuated complete lies about the [[Scopes Trial]] in order to smear Christianity, including:

:*portraying [[William Jennings Bryan]] as being ignorant, harsh and punitive, based on a false portrayal of his actions and testimony

:*falsely claiming that at the end Bryan, in a senseless fit of madness, died in the courtroom amid caring and reasonable Darwinists

:*falsely portraying the Darwinists in a positive light and the Christians as deceitful

:In real life, Bryan and the Christians won the trial and were charitable to the end, while the Darwinist Darrow was deceitful in reneging on his deal to take the witness stand after Bryan did.

*[[U 571]]
:The 2000 film [[U 571]] had a plot which was based on the first capture of a German Enigma machine in [[World War 2]]. However, in the film the capture is made by Americans. In fact the first Enigma machine was captured by the British in 1941 prior to the Americans entering the war.

*[[Better This World]]
:2011 documentary "feature length lie" is a [[PBS]] film regarding the thwarted domestic terrorist attack at the 2008 [[Republican]] National Convention and [[liberal]]s attempt to re-write history. <ref>[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/hgiles/2011/04/04/better-this-world-another-chapter-in-hollywoods-love-affair-with-terrorists/ ‘Better This World’: Another Chapter in Hollywood’s Love Affair With Terrorists]</ref>

*[[Recount-film]]
:The 2008 [[HBO]] movie on the 2000 Presidential elections and its aftermath in Florida. A look into how the [[Republicans]] stole the election and the role of its party members that made it happen. Republicans are portrayed as ghoulish and cited as manufacturing demonstrations. Both the real Warren Christopher and James Baker contend the film’s portrayal of the former is hopelessly untrue. <ref>[http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/hbos-recount-hanging-chads-and-black-humor/ HBO’s Recount: Hanging Chads, Black Humor] The Washington Times, May 4, 2008</ref>

*[[Winter Soldiers]]
:The 1972 film about U.S. troops from Vietnam put on record as baby killers, human rights violators, and general disservice to America. This myth was propagated by a few anti-war activist liberal actors that never did see combat in [[Vietnam]] and some were never in the country. The initial result was to hold hearings in Congress over the matter. All allegations were proven fabrications, falsehoods, and lies.

*[[An Inconvenient Truth]]
:The 2006 false documentary about man-made [[global warming]] created & hyped by [[Al Gore]]. A [[British]] court found the film contained at least [http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming#Al_Gore.27s_.22Inconvenient_Truth.22_Movie_Claims 11 material falsehoods]. The Science and Public Policy Institute has found 35 falsehoods associated with the film. <ref>[http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html 35 Inconvenient Truths, Science and Public Policy Institute]</ref>

*[[Fahrenheit 911]]
:A [[Michael Moore]] film that was a false portrayal of why America fought a war against [[Saddam Hussein]]'s Iraq. The main theme was to attack [[George W. Bush]] during wartime.

*[[Sicko]]
:Another [[Michael Moore]] film which spread many falsehoods about American healthcare while unduly glorifying the so-called benefits of socialized healthcare. Memorably referred to Cuban healthcare as being better than American healthcare.

*[[Redacted]]
:Brian De Palma’s 2007 fictional anti-Iraq War film funded by [[Mark Cuban]]. The film is credited with inspiring a terrorist attack that killed two U.S. servicemen in [[Germany]]. <ref>[http://weaselzippers.us/2011/03/11/confirmed-german-authorities-say-de-palmas-anti-military-movie-redacted-motivated-frankfurt-jihadi-to-murder-american-airmen/ Confirmed: German Authorities Say De Palma’s Anti-Military Movie “Redacted” Motivated Frankfurt Jihadi to Murder American Airmen, March 11, 2011]</ref>

==Disrespect for marriage==

Many celebrities and other exponents of Hollywood Values have no respect for the sanctity of marriage - their own or anyone else's. This is manifested in a high rate of marriage breakdown, and by the home-wrecking activities of the promiscuous, whose moral outlooks have been distorted by Liberal and atheistic teachings.

*[[Larry King]] (real name Lawrence Zeiger) has been married eight (8) times to seven (7) different women.
*[[Elizabeth Taylor]] has been married eight (8) times, including a nearly 6-year marriage to [[John Warner|Senator John Warner]] (R-VA).<ref>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000072/bio</ref>
*[[Valerie Bertinelli]] said her divorce from [[Eddie Van Halen]] was caused by infidelity and drug use - by her too. She said she was "destroying my body," trying to keep up with a rock-star lifestyle. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332551,00.html Valerie Bertinelli About Divorce From Eddie Van Halen: 'I Wasn't An Angel Either'], [[Fox News Channel]], ''[[Associated Press]]'', February 26, 2008</ref>
*[[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] has been married nine (9) times. One of her marriages - to Felipe de Alba - was annulled after one day.
*[[Mickey Rooney]] has been married eight (8) times, but has been with his last wife for 30 years after embracing religion and abandoning his previous lifestyle.
*[[Charlie Chaplin]] married four (4) times, including his marriage at the age of 54 to an 18-year-old bride.
*[[Johnny Carson]] married four (4) times, and frequently made light of his having divorced three times, as if this were something funny.
*[[Meredith Baxter]] married and divorced four (4) times; she finally admitted in 2009 that she was a [[homosexual]].
*In 2009, the married [[David Letterman]] admitted to having had adulterous sexual relationships with multiple members of his staff; he had previously fathered a child out of wedlock.
*[[Jayne Mansfield]] was married three times and had numerous extramarital affairs. She appeared in the centerfold of the pornographic magazine Playboy, and died in an automobile accident.
*[[Britney Spears]]' 2004 marriage to Jason Alexander lasted 55 hours.
*Musicians [[Cher]] and [[Gregg Allman]] were married for eight days in 1975.
*[[Drew Barrymore]] has two of the shortest celebrity marriages on record, one of 30 days and a five-month marriage to notorious lowbrow comedian Tom Green. Barrymore is a poster child for Hollywood values, as a former child star who became an alcoholic and drug addict who also posed for pornographic magazines.
*[[Arnold Schwarzenegger]], made public that he had an adulterous relationship and fathered a child with another women.
*[[Halle Berry]], a fanatic supporter of [[Barack Hussein Obama]]<ref>[http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8605.html Obamamania verges on obsession - Politico]</ref>, had been married two times in the past and gave birth out of wedlock.<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/08/21/celebrities-kids-wedlock/ Celebrities Who Had Kids Out of Wedlock - Fox News]</ref> Later on, Berry and her baby's father Gabriel Aubry had split and a custody battle between the two ensued.<ref>[http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/halle-berrys-latest-blunder-gabriel-aubry/story?id=12813387 Gabriel Aubry: Another Bad Apple for Halle Berry? - ABC News]</ref>
*[[Eddie Murphy]] impregnated former Spice Girl Melanie Brown without marrying her<ref>[http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20043487,00.html Mel B: DNA Proves Eddie Murphy Fathered Her Baby - People Magazine]</ref> and later on severed all contact with Melanie and their shared daughter.<ref>[http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a101281/mel-b-writes-song-about-eddie-murphy.html Mel B writes song about Eddie Murphy - Digital Spy]</ref>
*[[Kim Kardashian]] and [[NBA]] player [[Kris Humphries]] got divorced after 72 days.<ref>[http://articles.philly.com/2011-11-01/news/30346165_1_kris-humphries-kim-and-kris-kim-kardashian#ixzz1cVCWcXKK Sideshow: Smash go Kim and Kris - The Philadelphia Inquirer]</ref>
*Producer [[Robert Evans]] has been divorced seven times.<ref>[http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1205936,00.html Divorce No. 7 for Producer Robert Evans - People Magazine]</ref>
*Actor [[Gary Oldman]] had been married four times.<ref>[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/gary-oldman-the-spy-who-came-in-and-brought-the-cold-with-him-2356597.html Gary Oldman: The spy who came in, and brought the cold with him - The Independent]</ref>
*[[Pamela Anderson]] has been divorced three times and her latest marriage lasted for only two months.<ref>[http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2008-02-26-pamela-anderson_N.htm Anderson seeks annulment of marriage to Salomon - USA Today]</ref>

== Offensive Behavior/Moral depravity ==

* [[Charlie Sheen]] to Wife Brooke Mueller: "I'll Kill You." <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/09/charlie-sheen-wife-brook-mueller-ill-kill-you/?test=latestnews Charlie Sheen to Wife Brooke Mueller: "I'll Kill You"]</ref>. Sheen was arrested on Christmas Day for domestic abuse of his current wife Brooke. He was booked for second-degree assault, menacing, and criminal mischief. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/12/25/actor-charlie-sheen-arrested-domestic-violence-charges/?test=faces Actor Charlie Sheen Released From Jail After Domestic Abuse Arrest, Fox News, December 25, 2009]</ref> Sheen has a history that includes assaults against girlfriends and his former wife. He is also infamous for drug/alcohol abuse, having tried (and failed) numerous attempts in rehab clinics. He was fired from the sitcom Two and A Half Men where, in true Hollywood hypocrisy, he played an "amusingly" alcohol-abusing ladies' man, except the lifestyle proves consequence-free. Sheen has become dangerously unhinged in recent weeks and has been making increasingly bizarre rants online. No one from Hollywood has yet to step in.
* Trashing hotel rooms is a favorite form of offensive behavior by Hollywood types. Many examples are readily available on the [[internet]].<ref>See, e.g., [http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122101034.html]</ref>
*[[Mel Gibson]], who had started drinking again, was arrested after being stopped for driving at 84 mph in a 45 mph zone on a notoriously dangerous road in Malibu, California.<ref>''Mel Gibson apologizes after DUI arrest'' [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14080210/ Associated Press]</ref> A breathalyzer test confirmed he was drunk and next to him was an open bottle of Tequila; after being arrested he hurled Anti-Semitic abuse at a Jewish police officer.<ref>[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2292336,00.html Mel Gibson rants against Jews in drink-drive arrest], Times Online, July 30, 2006</ref>
*The parents of [[Miley Cyrus]], just 15 years old, allowed [[Annie Liebowitz]] to pose the starlet without a shirt or bra (nominally [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/topless "topless"]) and with just a sheet covering her front for Vanity Fair magazine.<ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/media/28hannah.html?_r=1&oref=slogin</ref><ref>http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20195785,00.html</ref><ref>http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23608789-5001026,00.html</ref> "I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed," Cyrus said Sunday in a statement through her publicist. "I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about." <ref>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0</ref>
:"... a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines," a network statement said. <ref>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0</ref>
*Many Hollywood stars who have purposely sought fame have then turned upon photographers and fans. [[Sean Penn]] is well known to lash out at photographers.
*The parents of 16-year old Jamie Lynn Spears allowing her unwed pregnancy to be publicly portrayed as a normal act even though she is a role model for millions of underage teenagers. Mayor of Gloucester, Carolyn Kirk recently blamed the glamorizing of teen pregnancy by Jamie Lynn Spears for the 17 high school teenagers that got pregnant at the same time. <ref>[http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/06/gloucester_mayo.html Gloucester mayor rebuts report of teen pregnancy pact], June 23, 2008</ref>
*[[Ellen DeGeneres]] proudly displays her [[gay]] sexuality for all to see. On August 16, 2008, DeGeneres married Portia de Rossi in a small ceremony in Beverly Hills. Fox News called it "the biggest celebrity union since California legalized same-sex marriage." <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405085,00.html Reports: Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi Wed] AP, August 17, 2008</ref> Now, her fans and millions of young girls can read about her gay marriage in magazines such as People and Us Magazine, hear about it on celebrity news television shows.
*Rapper [[Kanye West]] and bodyguard attacked the paparazzi at [[LAX]] airport and allegedly smashed a camera on the floor valued at $10,000. The pair were arrested for felony vandalism. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420869,00.html Kanye West Arrested in Altercation With Paparazzi] Ap, September 11, 2008</ref>
*[[Heather Locklear]] was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence of a controlled substance. The officer noticed Locklear's car parked on a state highway and blocking a lane in Montecito, Ca. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429388,00.html Heather Locklear Arrested on Suspicion of DUI] AP, September 29, 2008</ref>
*Celebrity of the moment [[Kourtney Kardashian]] gave a risque lingerie shoot while pregnant with her boyfriend's child. After birth, Mom and baby adorned magazine covers, highlighting the modern acceptance of single motherhood. The cover reads ''"Baby Mason will bring our family together,"'' obscuring the traditional meaning of family. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/10/16/kardashian-sisters?slide=2 The Kardashian Family, Fox News]</ref>
*Actor [[Jude Law]] had a sexual relationship with model Samantha Burke that produced a daughter. It is reported that Law finally went to visit his daughter for the first time, 5 months after she was born. <ref>[http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/jude-law-makes-first-visit-to-love-child-216056/ Jude Law Makes First Visit To Love Child, CelebrityGossip.net, March 1, 2010]</ref>
*Actor [[Tom Hanks]] called Mormons 'un-American' for their support of Proposition 8 in California. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/01/23/tom-hanks-apologizes-calling-mormon-supporters-proposition-american/ Tom Hanks Apologizes for Calling Mormon Supporters of Proposition 8 'Un-American', Fox News, January 23, 2009]</ref>
*[[Woody Allen]] seduced and took pornographic photographs of the youthful daughter of his then girlfriend [[Mia Farrow]].
*[[John Cusack]] calls for satanic death cult to descend on Fox News, Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich and GOP welfare freaks. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/08/31/actor-john-cusack-calls-satanic-death-fox-news-gop-leaders/?test=faces John Cusack Calls for 'Satanic Death' of Fox News, GOP Leaders, FOXNews, August 31, 2010]</ref>
*[[Brad Pitt]], appearing in a Spike Lee film announces his desire to see BP executives get the death penalty. <ref>[http://www.politico.com/click/stories/1008/pitt_death_penalty_for_bp.html Brad Pitt: Death Penalty For BP, Politico, August 23, 2010]</ref> Pitt also admitted to having a history of drug use, and while he claims it belongs in his past [[Quentin Tarantino]] has said otherwise.<ref>[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1207391/Brad-Pitt-offered-drugs-reveals-Quentin-Tarantino-actor-claims-quit-cannabis-years-ago.html 'Brad Pitt offered me drugs,' reveals Quentin Tarantino after actor claims he quit cannabis years ago - Daily Mail]</ref>
*[[Tracy Morgan]] made lewd comments about [[Sarah Palin]].<ref>[http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/01/tnt_apologizes_for_tracy_morga.html TNT Apologizes for Tracy Morgan’s Sarah Palin Comment - New York Magazine]</ref>
*[[Keith Richards]], guitarist of the [[Rolling Stones]], has said that he snorted his father's ashes.<ref>[http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/17933669/ns/today-entertainment/t/keith-richards-says-he-snorted-fathers-ashes/#.TrAYI3L4JJE Keith Richards says he snorted father's ashes - MSNBC]</ref>
*During one of his performances, [[Michael Richards]] lashed at a member of the audience with racial slurs.<ref>[http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/tv/story/2006/11/20/kramer-racial-slurs.html Richards 'deeply, deeply sorry' for racial slurs - CBC]</ref>
*Trey Parker and Matt Stone, creators of [[South Park]], attended the 2000 Academy Award Ceremony while dressed in drag; later on they admitted to taking drugs prior to doing so.<ref>[http://www.inquisitr.com/146670/trey-parker-and-matt-stone-say-acid-trip-was-behind-drag-appearance-at-2000-oscars/ Trey Parker and Matt Stone Say Acid Trip Was Behind Drag Appearance at 2000 Oscars - The Inquisitr]</ref>
=== Hollywood actor Dan Akroyd on bestiality ===

''See also:'' [[Liberalism and bestiality]]

On September 16, 2008 LifeSiteNews quotes Catholic League President Bill Donohue saying:
{{cquote|...Dan Akroyd...says there’s no such thing as sexual morality, even to the point of saying that a man having sex with a dog or a cat would be perfectly fine by him provided that the cat or dog could be sentient and could make a decision.<ref>[http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/sep/08091610 In New Book Actor Dan Akroyd Says he Would Support Bestiality if Animals Were Sentient]</ref>}}

== Hollywood "humor" ==
Another manifestation of Hollywood's offensiveness and moral depravity is found in many of its "comedy" movies. More so than any other entertainment industry, many Hollywood productions rely on lowbrow, juvenile humor. Unlike more intelligent comedies of the early to mid-20th century (such as ''The Great Dictator'' or ''Arsenic and Old Lace''), many contemporary Hollywood comedies eschew intelligence, social commentary, wit or satire in favor of lower-hanging fruit, such as "toilet humor," nudity/sex, gratuitous violence and shock value. Examples of such films include:

*''American Pie'' - a long-running film franchise primarily dealing with teenage sex and alcohol; it relies on jokes about sex and bodily functions
*''Jackass'' - essentially a montage of ridiculous stunts and pranks with no coherent story
*''South Park'' - uses constant iterations of urine, feces, farting and shock humor, such as jokes about abortion, rape and the Holocaust
*''There's Something About Mary'' - contains gratuitous sex and jokes about bodily functions
*''Family Guy'' - notorious for its shock tactics, this show routinely employs willful tastelessness for comedic shock value. Examples include one regular character who is a pedophile, as well as constant Hitler jokes
*''Harold and Kumar'' - the adventures of the pot-smoking duo that play up ethnic stereotypes.

== Rehabilitation clinics ==
Hollywood values often result in [[Celebrity|celebrities]] going into rehabilitation clinics. Here are some examples:

*[[Kirsten Dunst]] checked into the [[Cirque Lodge]] treatment facility in [[Utah]] after a week of hard partying at the [[Sundance Film Festival]], according to a source at the lodge, although the lodge's director of operations denies this. <ref name = "foxkirsten">
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329545,00.html Reports Say Kirsten Dunst in Rehab; Rep for Facility Denies It], ''[[Fox News]]'', February 08, 2008</ref>

The following all checked into the above facility seeking treatment for various psychological problems:

*[[Lindsay Lohan]]<ref name = "foxkirsten"/>
*[[Eva Mendes]]<ref name = "foxkirsten"/>
*[[Mary-Kate Olsen]]<ref name = "foxkirsten"/>
*[[Robert Downey Jr.]]
*[[Courtney Love]]

*[[Heather Locklear]]<ref>"A spokeswoman for the 47-year-old star said: 'Heather has been dealing with anxiety and depression.'" She "checked into a clinic in [[Arizona]] that treats depression."[http://www.pnas.org/content/101/11/3721.full]</ref>

*[[David Arquette]], enters rehab for for treatment of alcohol abuse and depression. <ref>[http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gossip/2011/01/david-arquette-rehab-alcohol-courteney-cox-arquette.html David Arquette enters rehab; Courteney Cox supportive, L.A. Times, January 3, 2011]</ref>

*[[David Duchovny]], having boosted Hollywood Values through his role in a decadent television series, now finds himself trapped by the depravity that he promoted, and has had to enter rehab for his addiction to unchastity<ref>http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2835847820080829</ref>.

== Hypocrisy ==

Hollywood personalities often propose legislation such as outlawing private gun ownership, or speak out against things such as anti-gun laws, but have at the same time acted in movies contrary to their public opinions:

* [[George Clooney]] on hearing that fellow actor and gun-rights advocate, [[Charlton Heston]], suffers from Alzheimer's disease, said: ''"I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the [[National Rifle Association]]. He deserves whatever anyone says about him."''<ref>http://www.funnyreign.com/quotes-georgeclooney.shtml</ref> Clooney starred in the film ''The Peacemaker'', in which he played an American military man defending the country from a nuclear attack; scenes in the film showed him using a gun to defend himself and others.

* [[Mark Wahlberg]] upon meeting Charlton Heston on the set of the remake of ''Planet of the Apes'', Wahlberg rudely told Heston, "It was very disturbing meeting you." Later, Wahlberg would have this to say at the MTV Movie Awards: ''"I believe Charlton Heston is America's best villain because he loves guns so much. Maybe he should get the award for being president of the National Rifle Association."''<ref>http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2360</ref> Wahlberg's character in ''Planet of the Apes'' uses a gun to defend himself and other humans from the apes who would rule over them.

* [[Helen Mirren]] played Queen Elizabeth II in a movie 'The Queen', but [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414361,00.html admits she used to use cocaine] as a result of her poor life choices as a younger woman.

==Using appearances to promote their [[liberal]] political views==
*Rapper Kanye West infamously went way off script during a live benefit concert for victims of Hurricane Katrina, criticizing the media's treatment of images of black and white people and saying President [[George W. Bush]] "doesn't care about black people."<ref>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090300165.html</ref>
*During the live broadcast of the 2007 Emmy Awards, actress Sally Field went on a sputtering anti-war rant, eventually concluding by saying, "If the mothers ruled the world, there would be no g**d*** war in the first place." She received thunderous applause from the Hollywood audience for her vulgar remark.<ref>http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=3610891</ref>
*[[Michael Moore]] surprised no one by criticizing President Bush during his 2003 Oscar acceptance speech for "Bowling for Columbine," saying, "We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts. We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush. Shame on you."<ref>http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20030323-2028-oscars-moore.html</ref>
*Actress Jessica Lange verbally attacked President Bush and the Iraq War during a 2008 commencement speech at Sarah Lawrence College in Yonkers, New York, stating, "We are living in an America that, in the last seven and a half years, has waged an unnecessary war, established prison camps, condoned torture, employed corporate armies, eliminated the right of habeas corpus, practiced extraordinary rendition, and believe me, this is only a partial list."<ref>http://cbs5.com/politics/Jessica.Lange.President.2.732264.html</ref>
*Actress Megan Fox was recently quoted by MSN in a piece entitled "The Wit and Wisdom of Megan Fox" discussing her new movie Transformers 2. She said "why not just take out all of the white trash, hillbilly, anti-gay, super Bible-beating people in Middle America?” <ref>[http://www.onenewsnow.com/Blog/Default.aspx?id=559876 Megan Fox would barter using ‘Bible-beating white trash’]OneNewsNow.com</ref>

==Vanity and [[Idol]] Worship==
[[Hollywood]] places a value on appearance and it is driven into the minds of those who they seek profits and adulation from. There is such a need to be rich and famous that anything goes. It may be glamorizing to reveal skin <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/07/15/lovely-talented-khloe-kardashian?test=faces The youngest of the Kardashian gals decided flashing photographers was the best way to get some attention, FOX News, April 1, 2010]</ref> or shamelessly being sex symbols to audiences. Pat-your-back awards ceremonies whereby we breathlessly await the ''Stars'' to arrive. Naturally, scandals make big headlines and these people are no stranger to controversy, for [[money]]. These fake [[Gods]] have captured the hearts of millions upon millions who follow their every move. Negative stereotypes poison the minds of their followers. Women feel less worthy due to the overwhelming influence touching every part of society. [[Pennsylvania State University|Penn State's]] Media Research found the following regarding Women's magazines, "Past research indicates that exposure to thin models results in lower [[self-esteem]] and decreased weight satisfaction, and to increased depression, guilt, shame, [[stress]], insecurity and body dissatisfaction." <ref>[http://www.psu.edu/dept/medialab/research/selfworth.html Construction of Beauty as a Measure of Self-Worth] Penn State Media Research</ref>

[[File:Celebrity.jpg|right|250px]]

==Award Shows==
Fans of Hollywood are served copious amounts of vanity and glamour as celebrities are greeted on the red-carpet attending award events. Paparazzi snap pictures and the stars are rated for their appearance in various tabloids and entertainment television. Once the celebrities have arrived at the awards, television cameras capture for the masses acceptance speeches of their beloved stars. Once limited to couple of banquets such as the [[Emmy Award|Emmys]] or [[Golden Globe]]s, now some two-dozen award shows are vying for exposure. These new award shows offer glimpses into ego and moral depravity of Hollywood. It's not uncommon for the stars to act cool by cussing to the audience during acceptance speeches. These awards shows have become tawdry events that are marketed mostly to teens.

*Madonna engages in a lustful lesbian kiss onstage to [[Britney Spears]] at the 2003 MTV Music Video Awards. <ref>[http://top40.about.com/od/britneyspears/ig/Britney-Spears-Photo-Biography/Britney-Spears-Kissing-Madonna.htm Britney Spears and Madonna Kiss, About.com, 2003]</ref>
*A notoriously self-serving [[Kanye West]] jumped onstage at the [[MTV Video Awards]] to interrupt an acceptance speech by [[Taylor Swift]]. <ref>[http://www.examiner.com/x-15972-Raleigh-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2009m9d14-MTV-Video-Music-Awards-inspire-annual-controversy MTV Video Music Awards inspire annual controversy, Examiner.com, September 14, 2009]</ref>
*[[Mariah Carey]] attended the Palm Springs International Film Festival. Her acceptance speech was made while completely drunk. <ref>[http://neonlimelight.com/2010/01/06/video-mariah-carey-accepts-film-festival-award-drunk/ Video: Mariah Carey Accepts Film Festival Award Drunk, Neonlimelight.com, January 6, 2010]</ref>
*[[Miley Cyrus]] performed at the Teen Choice Awards in August 2009. The 16-year old was dancing around on a stripper pole. <ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1619183/20090820/cyrus__miley.jhtml Billy Ray Cyrus Defends Miley's Teen Choice Pole Dance, MTV.com, August 20, 2009]</ref>
*Actor [[Jack Black]] opened the 2009 MTV Video Awards by leading everyone in a prayer to [[satan]]. <ref>[http://christianpress.com/content/entertainment/11-lifestyle/360-jack-black-leads-a-prayer-to-the-devil-at-the-2009-mtv-awards satan Jack Black Leads A Prayer To The Devil At The 2009 MTV Awards, Christian Press, September 14, 2009 ]</ref>
*Adam Lambert’s [[American Music Awards]] performance received over 1500 complaints for flipping off the audience, kissing a male keyboard player, and fondling several of his backup dancers. <ref>[http://www.ecanadanow.com/entertainment/2009/11/28/did-you-find-adam-lamberts-american-music-awards-performance-offensive/comment-page-1/ Did You Find Adam Lambert’s American Music Awards Performance Offensive?, eCanadanow.com, November 28, 2009]</ref>
*Nominees for the 13th annual 2011 [[Teen Choice Awards]] include a lesbian kiss, a masturbating dog, a pot head middle school teacher. ''"Teens will vote for their favorites, ranging from artists with hits about S&M, to sex and drug-filled R-rated comedies, to favorite “break up” songs – one nominated song features the “f” word 16 times."'' <ref>[http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/erin-r-brown/2011/08/05/producers-pick-lesbian-kiss-r-rated-movies-teen-choice-award-nominees Producers Pick Lesbian Kiss, R-Rated Movies as Teen Choice Award Nominees, Newsbusters.org, August 5, 2011]</ref>

==Preying on Underage Stars==

Very many child actors and actresses have gone on to have damaged and tragically short lives as a result of early exposure to Hollywood Values.

Debbie Gibson reflects on her life as a sixteen-year-old teenage Pop star and her exposure to the very sinister side of show business. “It is very disheartening that there are so many older men that prey on young performers.” What is even more disturbing than dirty male fans would be older male record executives trying to take her to adult parties and corrupt her with alcohol. Even the way the paparazzi stalk the younger artists is very different from following around adults. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533542,00.html?test=faces Debbie Gibson Speaks Out About Pedophile Fans Wanting to 'Corrupt Little Girls' Fox News, July 17, 2009]</ref>

Former child-actor Corey Feldman tells ABC that a big group of Hollywood executives are responsible for pedophilia and rape of underage stars. <ref>[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/aprice/2011/08/16/child-molestation-allegations-against-hollywood-must-be-investigated/ Child Molestation Allegations Against Hollywood Must Be Investigated]</ref> Feldman blames the death of troubled teen actor Corey Haim on Haim's Hollywood agent who molested him at age 14. <ref>[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2025357/Paedophilia-Hollywoods-biggest-problem-alleges-child-star-Corey-Feldman.html 'Paedophilia is Hollywood's biggest problem,' explosive claim by former child star Corey Feldman, UK Dailymail, August 12, 2011]</ref>

The father of teen idol Miley Cyrus said Disney destroyed their family. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/02/15/billy-ray-cyrus-scared-daughter-miley-says-hannah-montana-destroyed-family/#?test=faces Billy Ray Cyrus Scared For Daughter Miley, Says Hannah Montana 'Destroyed My Family', Fox News, February 15, 2011 </ref> Billy Ray Cyrus accuses Miley's 'handlers' (Disney Executives) of going too far to promote her and when she got bad press they made her father the scapegoat.

=== Reality Stars ===
[[MTV]] is notorious for filming underage reality stars. The pressure of instant fame with people in trying circumstances to begin with, the off camera news starts to creep more into the media. Arrests, suicide attempts, drugs and rehab are just some of the issues involving reality stars personal lives. Legal contracts with the network spell out MTV's rights to exploit their situations on the show. Psychologist Dr. Jeff Gardere. “In this country the media rewards bad behavior with more attention, thus more bad behavior is manifested because it is reinforced and rewarded." <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/06/17/is-mtv-repsonsible-when-at-risk-girls-it-exploits-go-off-deep-end/#ixzz1PYwX10oc Is MTV Responsible When At-Risk Teens it Features Go Off the Deep End?, Fox News, June 17, 2011]</ref>

==Productions==
The diseased moral values of the Liberal-dominated entertainment industry are manifested all too clearly in many of the products of that industry - motion pictures and television programs that offer no edification or instruction to the viewer, but plumb a cesspit of license and depravity. Some recent examples include the television series ''Desperate Housewives'' and the TV series/movie ''[[Sex and the City]]''.

==Religion==
A short study of the ten most successful actors <ref>http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-most-successful-actors-at-the-box-office.php 10 most successful actors] </ref> shows that only 50% are Christian (compared to 76% for the general population), with 30% expressing no religious beliefs at all (15% in the general public). These actors have had successful careers and it is very likely that religious affiliation in regular actors is much lower, exposing or predisposing them to the influence of Hollywood values.

[[Scientology]] is practiced by many Hollywood personalities. Tom Cruise and John Travolta are perhaps the most well known Hollywood Scientologists.

==Books==
* ''Hollywood Against America''
* ''Hollywood Babylon'' (1965) by Kenneth Anger (US edition)
* ''Hollywood Babylon II'' (1984) by Kenneth Anger

==See also==
*[[Supermodel]]s
*[[Gallery of American Heroes]]
*[[World Famous Pictures]]

{{Liberalism}}
== References ==
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==External Links==
*[http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ic_Q3agTpruvzoCJ5UxWaAqGJW3A Bush attacks 'Hollywood values'], ''AFP'', Oct 1, 2007
*[http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/index.html Mug-shots of arrested Hollywood stars]
*[http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/news/articles/2010/mtvmovieawards.asp Parent's Television Council: MTV’s Movie Awards Will Honor Profanity]
*[http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/vernon/100802 From Hollywood: to Hitler with love (Stalin, too)]
*[http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/12/17/dumbest-things-celebs-said/?test=faces Ten Dumbest Things Celebs Said in 2010]
*[http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2011/01/04/foul-mouthed-celebs/?test=faces#slide=1 Foul Mouthed Celebrities]
*[http://www.irishexaminerusa.com/mt/2011/01/04/pop_culture_killing_classic_tr.html Pop Culture Killing Classic Traditions]
*[http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/ Andrew Breitbart's BigHollywood.com]
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Andrew Breitbart

2012-03-01T16:10:09Z

Baobab: /* ACORN */

[[File:Breitbart1.jpg|right]]

'''Andrew Breitbart''' (pronounced BRIGHT-bart) (b. February 1, 1969 - March 1, 2012) was one of the most outspoken [[conservative]] journalists in America. He is the founder of [[Breitbart.com]], Breitbart.tv, BigJournalism.com, BigHollywood.com, BigPeace.com, BigGovernment.com and in 2011, Breitbart will launch BigEducation.com His columns appear weekly in the [[Washington Times]]. Breitbart is formerly a protégé of Matt Drudge's [[Drudge Report]]. He co-wrote the best-selling attack on celebrity culture called ''Hollywood, Interrupted.'' Also, Breitbart was involved briefly with Arianna Huffington and helped create the [[Huffington Post]]; she denies this. Breitbart is a very visible member of the conservative media, constantly going after the [[liberal]] power structure. He is responsible for bringing [[ACORN]] to its knees with undercover journalism. Since then, he has become the number one target of smears and the politics of personal destruction by the corrupt [[mainstream media]]. He has been a guest on a number of TV and radio shows. Breitbart received the Reed Irvine Accuracy in Media Award at CPAC in 2010.

He was born and raised in Brentwood, California. In 2011, Breitbart authored the book Righteous Indignation. Opening rank on Amazon.com #10 and #14 on the New York Times.

On March 1, 2012 it was announced that Breitbart had passed away during the night. He was 43.<ref>http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/01/andrew-breitbart-dead-at-43-according-to-his-website/ Andrew Breitbart dead at 43, according to his website, The Daily Caller, March 1 2012</ref>

==ACORN==
:''Main article: [[ACORN]]''
His greatest success was undercover journalism performed by his employees James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles against ACORN. His associates filmed ACORN giving advice on setting up brothels involving underage prostitution trafficking as well as tax evasion tips at four ACORN offices around the country. In a brilliant strategy, he would release one tape which ACORN would dismiss. Then other tapes to stir the pot. A fourth tape was released that turned into a national firestorm which bypassed the corrupt media who refused to cover the liberal-aligned group. The outrage that followed forced Congress to defund ACORN and Breitbart is credited with having them removed from partnering with the [[Obama Administration]] on the 2010 Census. [[Wade Rathke]], ACORN founder, and [[Bertha Lewis]], his puppet CEO had to change the name of the organization because Breitbart's work had sullied their image. State affiliates reorganized under new names in New York and California, others were banned from operating in Ohio and Maryland. Breitbart put ACORN on the defensive which is still reeling from his work and has announced it's closing business, bankrupt. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,589768,00.html ACORN Closing in Wake of Scandal, FOX News, March 22, 2010]</ref> .

==2010 Annual NAACP Conference==
The day after the [[NAACP]] issued a statement calling the [[Tea Party movement]] racist, Breitbart showcased the power of [[conservative media]] by releasing video footage showing Shirley Sherrod of the [[USDA]] addressing a past NAACP conference about how she acted in a racist manner to offer very minimal help to a bankrupt farmer because he was Caucasian. The video went viral and the White House got involved to make Sherrod resign. <ref>[http://biggovernment.com/publius/2010/07/20/obama-administration-stands-by-decision-to-fire-sherrod/ Obama Administration Stands By Decision to Fire Sherrod, BigGovernment.com, July 20, 2010]</ref>

==CPAC 2010==
Breitbart was video taped going after liberal columnist Blumenthall, calling him a "despicable human being" for writing lies, treating [[James O'Keefe]] as racist, a now common liberal media attack weapon. He is not afraid to confront dishonest journalists and their corrupt reporting. He gave speeches talking about the mainstream media saying "The Gig Is Up - You’re Not on the American Team."

==CPAC 2011==
Major conservative groups are backing out of the annual conference to protest the inclusion of the [[gay]] group GOProud. Breitbart defends their inclusion and he planned to throw a party for gay conservatives at CPAC. "I'm working on getting a venue," he said. "The first annual Roy Cohn CPAC Breitbart Homocon Welcoming 80's Extravaganza. I'm thinking of DJ-ing." <ref>[http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-cpac-20110108,0,4410541.story Some right-wing groups to skip GOP event, LATimes, January 8, 2011]</ref>

==CPAC 2012==
A major speech from Breitbart with many revelations. First, he wants the public not to be afraid to call [[Barack Obama]] a "[[Radical]]". Next, he described his dinner with domestic terrorist [[Bill Ayers]]. Third, that he has video tapes from Obama's days at college. Breitbart will expose the radical Obama and his radical ties that the [[Lamestream media]] knowingly suppressed from the public. <ref>[http://weaselzippers.us/2012/02/10/hmmm-andrew-breitbart-at-cpac-i-have-videos-of-obama-from-his-college-day/ Hmmm: Andrew Breitbart At CPAC, “I Have Videos” of Obama From His College Day…, Weasel Zippers, February 10, 2012]</ref>

==Congressman Weiner==
Rep. Anthony Weiner used Twitter to send lewd photos of himself. Breitbart exposed this act, dubbed WeinerGate. Weiner tried to deny it was him, blamed he was hacked by [[conservative]] vandals and stated in public that Breitbart was lying. As the story went nationwide, Weiner was pressured to step down. Weiner arranged a conference in [[New York]]. Weiner was late to the conference and Breitbart showed up, and took the microphone to denounce Weiner, demanding an apology. Weiner showed up, announced he had lied and was retiring. Also, he apologized to Breitbart.

==Videos==
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnoAXCnbCYU Andrew Breitbart Shuts Down Max Blumenthall at CPAC]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4jLl71BZPE&feature=related Andrew Breitbart CPAC 2010 Speech PART 1 (1 of 2)]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rci_BLmHDc&feature=related Andrew Breitbart CPAC 2010 Speech PART 2 (2 of 2)]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4j6mmVuAKs&feature=related Andrew Breitbart received the Reed Irvine Accuracy in Media Award at CPAC]
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E174yCPrR4I&feature=related Andrew Breitbart confronts David Shuster lies from MSNBC]

==References==
<references/>
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==External Links==
* [http://www.breitbart.com Breitbart.com]
* [http://www.breitbart.tv Breitbart.tv]
* [http://bighollywood.breitbart.com BigHollywood.com]
* [http://biggovernment.com BigGovernment.com]
* [http://bigjournalism.com BigJournalism.com]
* [http://www.bigpeace.com BigPeace.com]
* [http://washingtontimes.com/staff/andrew-breitbart/ Washington Times - Andrew Breitbart]
* [http://www.facebook.com/andrewbreitbart Facebook -Andrew Breitbart]
* [http://twitter.com/andrewbreitbart Twitter -AndrewBreitbart (Warning: Liberals leave vulgar messages)]
* [http://breitbartbook.com/ Breitbartbook.com]

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Saturday Night Live

2012-02-27T22:40:57Z

Baobab: remark about SNL becoming 'less funny' needs to be backed up

'''Saturday Night Live''' (often shortened to just SNL) was an immensely popular sketch-comedy show starting in 1975 on [[NBC]], but as it became more [[politically correct]] it predictably became less funny in the past decade{{fact}}. SNL's lame attempt to spoof [[Sarah Palin]] was widely promoted by the remainder of the [[liberal media]]. SNL continues to run weekly despite its lack of influence and increase in politicization.

In the past, particularly in the 1970s and 1980s, the show turned some of its minor players into feature film actors including:

*[http://imdb.com/name/nm0000101/ Dan Akroyd] ([http://www.bluesbrothers.com/ ''The Blues Brothers''] and [[Ghostbusters]])
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5LX16zia2k Eddie Murphy] ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKYl6y8qGqw ''Coming to America''], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LgQyxS4-Os ''Trading Places''] and [http://www.klumps.com/ ''The Nutty Professor''])
*[http://imdb.com/name/nm0000196/ Mike Myers] ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sO4zTmKLf8 ''Wayne's World''], [http://www.austinpowers.com/ ''Austin Powers''], and [http://www.shrek.com/main.php ''Shrek''])
*[http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/julia-louis-dreyfus/159255 Julia Louis Dreyfuss] ([http://www.sonypictures.com/tv/shows/seinfeld/ ''Seinfeld''])
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwYQBV66rbM Adam Sandler] ([http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/50firstdates/ ''50 First Dates''] and [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/happy_gilmore/ ''Happy Gilmore'']
* [http://www.harryshearer.com/ Harry Shearer] ([http://www.thesimpsons.com/bios/bios_actors_shearer.htm ''The Simpsons'']and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU3H1Um4Ju4&feature=related ''This is Spinal Tap''])

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User talk:Baobab

2012-02-25T07:57:51Z

Baobab: /* Article changes */

{{warning|sig=--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 14:17, 24 February 2012 (EST)}}

Please don't remove content, especially content added by Administrators.--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 14:17, 24 February 2012 (EST)
:Hi James Wilson. If Conservapedia really aspires to be a trustworthy encyclopedia, then all manifestly biased content has to be removed, not only by me, but also by you. And it shouldn't matter who added the content, whether an Administrator or a 'normal' contributor. So please stop undermining Conservapedia's credibility. Bear with me, I'm not calling you a vandal, but your actions and attitude do nothing to improve this highly interesting project. Regards, [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 14:29, 24 February 2012 (EST)
::Hello, Baobab. However, I must warn you that it is generally against Conservapedia policy to revert additions made by Administrators; both of the edits you reverted were originally added by Administrators.--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 14:33, 24 February 2012 (EST)
:::Okay, I didn't know Conservapedia is apparently some sort of caste system. But anyway, how do I know who is an Administrator and who is not and how do I know if a particular word or sentence was added by an Administrator? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 14:55, 24 February 2012 (EST)

==Article changes==
If there are entries to articles that appear to be personal in nature rather than encyclopedic and neutral, feel free to change them. If you're unable to do it at the outset, i.e. admin page restrictions, make a proposed entry on the talk page and go from there. If an admin says no, accept it and move on to another topic. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 14:45, 24 February 2012 (EST)
:Hi Karajou, thanks for the suggestion. However, changing text that appeared to be personal in nature ("SNL became less funny in the past decade") rather than neutral was exactly what I did and what was reverted by James Wilson. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 14:55, 24 February 2012 (EST)
::[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Saturday_Night_Live&diff=962789&oldid=743076 That particular edit] was originally added in by [[User:Aschlafly]], who is the founder of this site. That is why I reverted it.--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 15:03, 24 February 2012 (EST)
:::So if I delete edits done by Aschlafly that clearly violate his own Conservapedia rules, that are (as Karajou puts it) personal in nature rather than encyclopedic and neutral and undermine Conservapedia's credibility, you as Aschlafly's zealous servant will still revert my action? Peculiar behavior... What you should do of course is judge every single entry by its encyclopedic merits, regardless of who made the entry. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 02:57, 25 February 2012 (EST)

User talk:Baobab

2012-02-24T19:55:59Z

Baobab:

User talk:Baobab

2012-02-24T19:29:18Z

Baobab:

Lamar Smith

2012-02-24T19:16:33Z

Baobab: Undo revision 963455 by JamesWilson (talk) unsourced speculation (this is not a blog)

'''Lamar Seeligson Smith ''' (born November 19, 1947) is a [[Republican Party|Republican]] U.S. Representative from [[Texas]]'s 21st Congressional District, who was elected to office in 1987. He is one of the wealthiest members of [[Congress]].

He did vote against Obama's raising of the debt ceiling.<ref>http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27097/</ref>

He is responsible for introducing the controversial [[SOPA]] bill into the House of Representatives as an attempt to curb online piracy and copyright infringement.

Rep Smith has introduced, and voted for, a number of bills which placed restrictions on abortion, and has a 100% rating from the [[National Right to Life Committee]].

In June 2011, Smith became embroiled in a controversy over his opposition to the [[Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011]], which would have ended the prohibition of marijuana at the federal level. The bill was introduced by [[Barney Frank]]. Smith announced that he had no intention of giving the bill a hearing in the [[House Judiciary Committee]], of which he is the chairman, thus causing the bill to never reach the floor.

Richard Mack, former sheriff of Graham County, Arizona, and the upcoming challenger for Smith's House seat, called Smith a [[RINO]].<ref> [http://www.infowars.com/splc-admits-lying-about-sheriff-mack-lawsuit-pending/ SPLC Admits Lying About Sheriff Mack, Lawsuit Pending]</ref>

==Personal life==

Lamar Smith is married to Elizabeth Lynn Schaefer. He has two sons from his previous marriage. Smith is a [[Christian Scientist]].

==Notes==

<references/>
[[Category:Republican Party]]
[[Category:United States Representatives]]
[[Category:Texas]]

Saturday Night Live

2012-02-24T19:14:05Z

Baobab: Undo revision 963694 by JamesWilson (talk) Again: calling something (not) funny is not encyclopedic. This is not a blog

'''Saturday Night Live''' (often shortened to just SNL) is an immensely popular sketch-comedy show which started in 1975 on [[NBC]]. Since then is has become more [[politically correct]]. SNL's attempt to spoof [[Sarah Palin]] was widely promoted by the remainder of the [[liberal media]].

In the past, particularly in the 1970s and 1980s, the show turned some of its minor players into feature film actors including:

*[http://imdb.com/name/nm0000101/ Dan Akroyd] ([http://www.bluesbrothers.com/ ''The Blues Brothers''] and [[Ghostbusters]])
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5LX16zia2k Eddie Murphy] ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKYl6y8qGqw ''Coming to America''], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LgQyxS4-Os ''Trading Places''] and [http://www.klumps.com/ ''The Nutty Professor''])
*[http://imdb.com/name/nm0000196/ Mike Myers] ([http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sO4zTmKLf8 ''Wayne's World''], [http://www.austinpowers.com/ ''Austin Powers''], and [http://www.shrek.com/main.php ''Shrek''])
*[http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/julia-louis-dreyfus/159255 Julia Louis Dreyfuss] ([http://www.sonypictures.com/tv/shows/seinfeld/ ''Seinfeld''])
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwYQBV66rbM Adam Sandler] ([http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/50firstdates/ ''50 First Dates''] and [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/happy_gilmore/ ''Happy Gilmore'']
* [http://www.harryshearer.com/ Harry Shearer] ([http://www.thesimpsons.com/bios/bios_actors_shearer.htm ''The Simpsons'']and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU3H1Um4Ju4&feature=related ''This is Spinal Tap''])

[[Category:Entertainment]]

Saturday Night Live

2012-02-24T16:34:14Z

Baobab: more objective and encyclopedic

Rick Santorum

2012-02-23T23:08:29Z

Baobab: Undo revision 963482 by CraigF (talk) The word of God? That is just blasphemous. Please don't corrupt this article by inserting personal rants

[[Image:Rick Santorum.jpg|right|thumb|Rick Santorum]]
'''Richard John "Rick" Santorum''' (Winchester, Virginia, May 10, 1958) is an American conservative lawyer and politician. He is member of the Republican Party. Santorum served as [[United States]] [[Senator]] from [[Pennsylvania]] from January, 1995 through January, 2007. During that time, Santorum was known for his [[conservative]] political views. Santorum is currently an excellent (hopefully soon to be endorsed by the influential encyclopedia Conservapedia) candidate for the [[Presidential Election 2012|2012 Presidential Election]]. He is currently battling in the [[2012 Republican Primary]].

In 2000, he was elected by his peers to the position of Senate Republican Conference Chairman.

<blockquote>
Santorum was an author and floor manager of the landmark "Welfare Reform Act" which passed in 1996 that has empowered millions of Americans to leave the welfare rolls and enter the workforce. Senator Santorum wrote and championed legislation that outlawed the heinous procedure known as "Partial Birth Abortion" as well as the "Born Alive Infants Protection Act", the "Unborn Victims of Violence Act", and the "Combating Autism Act" because he believes each and every individual has value and the most vulnerable in our society need to be protected. Senator Santorum fought to maintain fiscal sanity in Washington before it was in fashion, fighting for a balanced budget and a line item veto. <ref> [http://www.ricksantorum.com/why-rick Why Rick?]</ref>
</blockquote>

A [[cult]]-like movement among [[liberals]], and particularly vile [[homosexual]] activists, vilified Santorum for his forthright and truthful statements. In the Senate, Santorum stood for traditional values, and fought for [[traditional marriage]]. His "[[Santorum Amendment]]" to the No Child Left Behind Act sought (albeit unsuccessfully) to stop public schools from presenting the [[theory of evolution]] in a dogmatic way.

In 2006 [[Bob Casey, Jr.]], the [[liberal]] son of a popular former Pennsylvania governor who had been [[pro-life]], defeated Santorum as part of a [[Democratic]] sweep in that election. Casey subsequently endorsed pro-[[abortion]] [[Barack Obama]] for president in 2008.

==Liberal Obsession with Santorum==

[[Liberals]] have become obsessed with Santorum, particularly after he stood up for traditional marriage and drew an analogy between support for [[homosexual marriage]] and other illegal forms of marriage and conduct. Rather than dispute the analogy, liberals were quick to [[liberal tricks|feign offense]]. They argue that because the other kinds of conduct are so universally repulsive, pointing out the parallels with [[homosexual act]]s and homosexual marriage unduly disparages homosexuals.

==Dan Savage==
Homosexual advice columnist [[Dan Savage]] instigated a campaign on [[Google]] to associate Santorum's name with vile slang. By enlisting the help of readers of his column, mostly college students experimenting with sexual deviancy, he redirected legitimate searches for Santorum's name to a slanderous website he created, urging people to spread the candidate's name as a vile Internet meme. That children are often the first to absorb new Internet content was apparently of no concern to the gay rights activist, who also encouraged writers to his newspaper column to address him as "Dear Faggot."<ref>http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=340</ref>

==2012 Presidential Race==

On June 6, 2011<ref>http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/06/us-usa-campaign-santorum-idUSTRE7551YL20110606</ref>, Santorum announced his intention to run for the Republican Party nomination in the US Presidential election of 2012.<ref>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55772.html</ref>

<blockquote>
In the [[Iowa]] caucuses, January, 3, 2012, Santorum and [[Mitt Romney]] Fight to a Draw. In the first Republican contest of the season, the two candidates were separated by only a sliver of votes, offering Rick Santorum a chance to emerge as the alternative to Mitt Romney. <ref>[http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/us/politics/santorum-and-romney-fight-to-a-draw.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all Romney Wins Iowa Caucus by 8 Vote] </ref>
</blockquote>
==Personal Life==
Rick Santorum and his wife Karen are the parents of seven children: Elizabeth, John, Daniel, Sarah Maria, Peter, Patrick and Isabella. Isabella was born in 2008 with a rare genetic disorder known as Trisomy 18. Most children born with this disorder die in infancy, and only about 10 percent survive to their first birthday.<ref name="santorum">[http://www.ncregister.com/site/article%20/presidential-hopefuls-rick-santorum1/ Presidential Hopefuls: Rick Santorum, Catholic Former Senator Lives Out His Devotion to the Sanctity of Life] Hayes, Charlotte, National Catholic Register, January 9, 2012, retrieved January 15, 2012</ref>

In keeping with his conservative, pro life stance, Santorum counts as his eighth child Gabriel, who sadly lost his life in 1996 due to an infection contracted in the womb. The baby was born five months prematurely, and died two hours later in the hospital. According to an article in the ''National Catholic Register'', the Santorums "took their child home briefly so that their other children could meet their brother." Santorum stated, "We wanted them to know that there was a baby and that his life was precious and that baby in the womb was real,"<ref name="santorum"/>

The Santorum family's struggle with the sadness of the loss of their son, and their decision to mourn the baby as a human being, served as an inspiration to other families struggling with the pain of losing a child. On the other hand, the criticism Santorum received from pro abortion journalists, such as liberal "gotcha reporter" Alan Colmes,<ref>www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=48506</ref> who accused Santorum of "playing" with his dead child's body, has been fierce. Public sentiment, however, is firmly in Santorum's column.<ref>http://www.nationalreview.com/media-blog/286998/alan-colmes-apologizes-rick-santorum-greg-pollowitz</ref>

==References==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT: Santorum, Rick}}
[[Category:Former United States Senators]]
[[Category:Republican Party]]
[[Category:Conservatives]]
[[Category:2012 Presidential Candidates]]
[[Category:Catholic Politicians]]

Rick Santorum

2012-02-23T07:22:54Z

Baobab: /* Liberal Obsession with Santorum */ deleted personal and biased ("disgustingly", "pathetic") rant unworthy of a "trustworthy encyclopedia" which aspires to be objective

Facebook

2012-02-19T19:25:47Z

Baobab: /* Liberal policies */ fixing syntax error

[[Image:Newfacebooklogo3.jpg|right]]
'''Facebook''' (stylized '''facebook''') is a [[liberal]]-promoted [[social networking]] website that profits by exploiting personal information in users' profiles, and by advertising. Users can spend, or indeed waste, their time on it in a variety of ways: by uploading pictures (typically of themselves), by gossiping about others, by talking to friends, by interfering with marriages and personal relationships, and by acting like a [[busybody]]. Facebook use is correlated with underachievement in school and disruption of social relationships, such as marriage. For many teenagers, Facebook use replaces healthier activities and gatherings.

Despite being called "social networking," Facebook is typically a poor substitute for real social networking. One survey conducted showed that Facebook feeds narcissistic tendencies.<ref>http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-30/tech/facebook.narcissism.mashable_1_facebook-social-networking-status-updates?_s=PM:TECH</ref><ref>http://m.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/facebook-overuse-can-lead-to-psychological-disorders-in-youth/2389</ref>

Other studies done have shown that the use of Facebook is associated with poorer performance in school. Facebook use is also associated with a substantial percentage of marital problems and an increase in psychological disorders in youth.<ref>[http://thetechjournal.com/internet/facebook-is-the-new-cause-of-divorce.xhtml#ixzz1OmdIs3rN Facebook is the new cause of divorce, The Tech Journal, December 23, 2009]</ref><ref>http://m.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/facebook-overuse-can-lead-to-psychological-disorders-in-youth/2389</ref> The site is heavily promoted by [[liberal]]s, presumably because it is so unproductive or even counterproductive.

Anybody with an account can create an unlimited amount of unproductive pages, which can then be "liked" by other users.

Facebook is based in Palo Alto, [[California]]. The name of the site is based on the paper facebooks that many colleges give to incoming students, faculty, and staff depicting members of the campus community.<ref> [http://www.associatepublisher.com/e/f/fa/facebook.htm Facebook] </ref>

==Monetary value==
It is rumored that Facebook generates around $1 million per week in revenue. <ref>[http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/04/26/facebook-goes-beyond-college-high-school-markets/ "Facebook goes beyond college and high school markets"]</ref>
In September 2006, [[Yahoo]] began talks to acquire Facebook for as high as $1 billion. In October, Google allegedly offered $2.3 billion.<ref>[http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2006/10/10/first-youtube-now-facebook-rumors-circulate "First Youtube, Now Facebook: Rumors Circulate"]</ref> All outside offers have been rejected. 2009 estimates put a net value of $6.5 billion. <ref>[http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10285409-36.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0 Facebook stock trading open; valuation $6.5 billion] CNET News, July 13, 2009</ref> 2010 estimates of the privately held company put the value at $14 billion dollars. <ref>[http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/20/facebook-valued-at-14-billion-on-secondmarket/ Facebook Valued At $14 Billion On SecondMarket, TechCrunch.com, January 20, 2010]</ref>

In 2011, [[Goldman Sachs]] invested $500 million in Facebook. It is speculated that Goldman Sachs may be put in charge of an initial public offering of Facebook stock in 2012. Valuations are speculated at between $10 and $50 billion. <ref>[http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2011/01/03/goldman-digital-sky-technologies-invest-facebook-report/?test=latestnews Is Facebook Worth $50B?, Fox Business, January 3, 2011]</ref>

==Origins==
Facebook was founded in February 2004 by [[Harvard]] sophomores [[Mark Zuckerberg]] and Eduardo Saverin, with help from Andrew McCollum. By December of 2004, after expanding the site to other universities, the number of registered users exceeded one million. In August 2005 Facebook obtained the domain name facebook.com and dropped the "the" from the site's name.

==2010==
A movie was made about the origins of Facebook, called ''The Social Network''. The film did not meet expectations at the [[Academy Awards]] and, despite heavy media promotion, was number one in America for only several weeks. Mark Zuckerberg was not involved in the creation of film and said that it was more Hollywood storytelling than reality.

It has been known among Silicon Valley technology companies that Facebook has been luring away [[Google]] employees to the extent that Google is now offering bonuses for staying with the company. On October 15, 2010, Facebook announced the release of a new email client. Internally referred to as Titan, the media has dubbed it a "Gmail Killer". Zuckerberg insists it is not a head-to-head competitor of Google's Gmail service; rather, it will be more of a instant messaging service. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/15/gmail-beware-facebook-unveils-e-mail-service/ E-MAIL WAR: Facebook Launches 'Gmail Killer' -- AOL Jumps In, Too, FOX News, November 15, 2010]</ref>

==Liberal policies==
The world's largest online social network added civil unions and domestic partnerships to the list of relationships that its users can pick from to best describe their romantic status. The [[Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation]] had lobbied for the policy adoption. The option is only available to Facebook users in the U.S., Canada, the U.K., France and Australia. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/18/facebook-adds-support-sex-civil-unions Facebook Adds Support for Same-Sex Civil Unions, Fox News, February 18, 2011</ref>

98% of political donations from Facebook employees went to [[Barack Obama]] in the 2008 presidential election. <ref>[http://beforeitsnews.com/story/684/994/Facebook_self_appointed_arbiter_of_free_speech_tells_Tea_Party_no_more_organizing.html Facebook – self appointed arbiter of “free speech” – tells Tea Party no more organizing, Before It's News, June 2, 2011]</ref>

==Privacy issues==
Facebook Privacy Policy is constantly changing. This is not for the benefit of the users but to the monetary value they represent to advertisers. Due to the size of Facebook, all kinds of data on your habits are monitored. Not just by Facebook either, the government can peek at your life and monitor you behind the scenes. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/17/13-year-old-boy-questioned-secret-service-facebook-posting/?test=latestnews 13-Year-Old Boy Questioned by Secret Service Over Facebook Posting, Fox News, May 17, 2011]</ref> <ref>[http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/article_bbd23382-6ecf-11e0-aeef-001a4bcf6878.html Feds mine Facebook for info, STLToday.com, April 25, 2011]</ref> Facebook claims your personal information is not for sale. They make the case that it is anonymously collected data, thereby protecting your privacy. Third parties develop applications to run on top of Facebook. Your privacy is effectively in the hands of unknown organizations. The below examples include what information is on display by every user.

* Many users post their full address, e-mail address, birthday, and telephone number, and these can be available to their entire network (and, in reality, anyone). This information in the wrong hands can be used for purposes of phishing, stalking, or even identity theft.
* Some universities have begun to use students' pages to investigate underage drinking and other violations of university policy. This is very possible, since university faculty and staff can sign up for the same network as their students through their campus e-mail account.<ref> [http://en.allexperts.com/e/f/fa/facebook.htm Facebook on allexperts.com]</ref>
*The so-called "news feed" has aroused some discomfort among Facebook users, as it displays all changes and status updates from their friends by default.
*The "wall" feature allows a user to post a message to another user which remains on their profile page. This posting is viewable to everyone who can view the page, and shows up on the news feed for all friends of both the sender and the recipient by default.
*As with Google ads, Facebook collects profile information, and places ads on the page that reflect the user's personal information. This resulted in one man logging into his facebook account, and seeing his wife's photograph appear in an advertisement for a dating website.<ref> [http://www.kvoa.com/news/husband-finds-wife-in-facebook-singles-ad/] Husband finds wife in facebook singles ad</ref>
*The privacy settings on Facebook give users a false sense of security and encourage people to post things they shouldn't. As with other social networks, Facebook refuses to admit that its privacy settings that apparently allow only "friends" to see certain information are completely bogus and can easily be cracked by people with little to no [[hacking]] experience. Instead, Facebook actually ''encourages'' young users to only allow "friends" to see certain information, rather than just warning them that what they post can be seen by the world and to not post what they wouldn't want people to see.

== See also ==
* [[Social media]]
* [[Twitter]]
* [[MySpace]]

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Online social networking]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Facebook

2012-02-19T19:18:45Z

Baobab: fixing mistake

[[Image:Newfacebooklogo3.jpg|right]]
'''Facebook''' (stylized '''facebook''') is a [[liberal]]-promoted [[social networking]] website that profits by exploiting personal information in users' profiles, and by advertising. Users can spend, or indeed waste, their time on it in a variety of ways: by uploading pictures (typically of themselves), by gossiping about others, by talking to friends, by interfering with marriages and personal relationships, and by acting like a [[busybody]]. Facebook use is correlated with underachievement in school and disruption of social relationships, such as marriage. For many teenagers, Facebook use replaces healthier activities and gatherings.

Despite being called "social networking," Facebook is typically a poor substitute for real social networking. One survey conducted showed that Facebook feeds narcissistic tendencies.<ref>http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-30/tech/facebook.narcissism.mashable_1_facebook-social-networking-status-updates?_s=PM:TECH</ref><ref>http://m.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/facebook-overuse-can-lead-to-psychological-disorders-in-youth/2389</ref>

Other studies done have shown that the use of Facebook is associated with poorer performance in school. Facebook use is also associated with a substantial percentage of marital problems and an increase in psychological disorders in youth.<ref>[http://thetechjournal.com/internet/facebook-is-the-new-cause-of-divorce.xhtml#ixzz1OmdIs3rN Facebook is the new cause of divorce, The Tech Journal, December 23, 2009]</ref><ref>http://m.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/facebook-overuse-can-lead-to-psychological-disorders-in-youth/2389</ref> The site is heavily promoted by [[liberal]]s, presumably because it is so unproductive or even counterproductive.

Anybody with an account can create an unlimited amount of unproductive pages, which can then be "liked" by other users.

Facebook is based in Palo Alto, [[California]]. The name of the site is based on the paper facebooks that many colleges give to incoming students, faculty, and staff depicting members of the campus community.<ref> [http://www.associatepublisher.com/e/f/fa/facebook.htm Facebook] </ref>

==Monetary value==
It is rumored that Facebook generates around $1 million per week in revenue. <ref>[http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/04/26/facebook-goes-beyond-college-high-school-markets/ "Facebook goes beyond college and high school markets"]</ref>
In September 2006, [[Yahoo]] began talks to acquire Facebook for as high as $1 billion. In October, Google allegedly offered $2.3 billion.<ref>[http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2006/10/10/first-youtube-now-facebook-rumors-circulate "First Youtube, Now Facebook: Rumors Circulate"]</ref> All outside offers have been rejected. 2009 estimates put a net value of $6.5 billion. <ref>[http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-10285409-36.html?tag=newsEditorsPicksArea.0 Facebook stock trading open; valuation $6.5 billion] CNET News, July 13, 2009</ref> 2010 estimates of the privately held company put the value at $14 billion dollars. <ref>[http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/20/facebook-valued-at-14-billion-on-secondmarket/ Facebook Valued At $14 Billion On SecondMarket, TechCrunch.com, January 20, 2010]</ref>

In 2011, [[Goldman Sachs]] invested $500 million in Facebook. It is speculated that Goldman Sachs may be put in charge of an initial public offering of Facebook stock in 2012. Valuations are speculated at between $10 and $50 billion. <ref>[http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2011/01/03/goldman-digital-sky-technologies-invest-facebook-report/?test=latestnews Is Facebook Worth $50B?, Fox Business, January 3, 2011]</ref>

==Origins==
Facebook was founded in February 2004 by [[Harvard]] sophomores [[Mark Zuckerberg]] and Eduardo Saverin, with help from Andrew McCollum. By December of 2004, after expanding the site to other universities, the number of registered users exceeded one million. In August 2005 Facebook obtained the domain name facebook.com and dropped the "the" from the site's name.

==2010==
A movie was made about the origins of Facebook, called ''The Social Network''. The film did not meet expectations at the [[Academy Awards]] and, despite heavy media promotion, was number one in America for only several weeks. Mark Zuckerberg was not involved in the creation of film and said that it was more Hollywood storytelling than reality.

It has been known among Silicon Valley technology companies that Facebook has been luring away [[Google]] employees to the extent that Google is now offering bonuses for staying with the company. On October 15, 2010, Facebook announced the release of a new email client. Internally referred to as Titan, the media has dubbed it a "Gmail Killer". Zuckerberg insists it is not a head-to-head competitor of Google's Gmail service; rather, it will be more of a instant messaging service. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/15/gmail-beware-facebook-unveils-e-mail-service/ E-MAIL WAR: Facebook Launches 'Gmail Killer' -- AOL Jumps In, Too, FOX News, November 15, 2010]</ref>

==Liberal policies==
The world's largest online social network added civil unions and domestic partnerships to the list of relationships that its users can pick from to best describe their romantic status. The [[Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation]] had lobbied for the policy adoption and is only available to Facebook users in the U.S., Canada, the U.K., France and Australia. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/02/18/facebook-adds-support-sex-civil-unions Facebook Adds Support for Same-Sex Civil Unions, Fox News, February 18, 2011</ref>

98% of political donations from Facebook employees went to [[Barack Obama]] in the 2008 presidential election. <ref>[http://beforeitsnews.com/story/684/994/Facebook_self_appointed_arbiter_of_free_speech_tells_Tea_Party_no_more_organizing.html Facebook – self appointed arbiter of “free speech” – tells Tea Party no more organizing, Before It's News, June 2, 2011]</ref>

==Privacy issues==
Facebook Privacy Policy is constantly changing. This is not for the benefit of the users but to the monetary value they represent to advertisers. Due to the size of Facebook, all kinds of data on your habits are monitored. Not just by Facebook either, the government can peek at your life and monitor you behind the scenes. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/17/13-year-old-boy-questioned-secret-service-facebook-posting/?test=latestnews 13-Year-Old Boy Questioned by Secret Service Over Facebook Posting, Fox News, May 17, 2011]</ref> <ref>[http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/article_bbd23382-6ecf-11e0-aeef-001a4bcf6878.html Feds mine Facebook for info, STLToday.com, April 25, 2011]</ref> Facebook claims your personal information is not for sale. They make the case that it is anonymously collected data, thereby protecting your privacy. Third parties develop applications to run on top of Facebook. Your privacy is effectively in the hands of unknown organizations. The below examples include what information is on display by every user.

* Many users post their full address, e-mail address, birthday, and telephone number, and these can be available to their entire network (and, in reality, anyone). This information in the wrong hands can be used for purposes of phishing, stalking, or even identity theft.
* Some universities have begun to use students' pages to investigate underage drinking and other violations of university policy. This is very possible, since university faculty and staff can sign up for the same network as their students through their campus e-mail account.<ref> [http://en.allexperts.com/e/f/fa/facebook.htm Facebook on allexperts.com]</ref>
*The so-called "news feed" has aroused some discomfort among Facebook users, as it displays all changes and status updates from their friends by default.
*The "wall" feature allows a user to post a message to another user which remains on their profile page. This posting is viewable to everyone who can view the page, and shows up on the news feed for all friends of both the sender and the recipient by default.
*As with Google ads, Facebook collects profile information, and places ads on the page that reflect the user's personal information. This resulted in one man logging into his facebook account, and seeing his wife's photograph appear in an advertisement for a dating website.<ref> [http://www.kvoa.com/news/husband-finds-wife-in-facebook-singles-ad/] Husband finds wife in facebook singles ad</ref>
*The privacy settings on Facebook give users a false sense of security and encourage people to post things they shouldn't. As with other social networks, Facebook refuses to admit that its privacy settings that apparently allow only "friends" to see certain information are completely bogus and can easily be cracked by people with little to no [[hacking]] experience. Instead, Facebook actually ''encourages'' young users to only allow "friends" to see certain information, rather than just warning them that what they post can be seen by the world and to not post what they wouldn't want people to see.

== See also ==
* [[Social media]]
* [[Twitter]]
* [[MySpace]]

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Online social networking]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Talk:Writing Homework Two Student Four

2012-02-16T18:11:29Z

Baobab: Few questions

== Few questions ==

Interesting stuff, these homework assignments. A few questions though:

"Ever since governments [NEED APOSTROPHE] and news sources first began"
*Why is an apostrophe needed?

"The first and simplest issue with this sentence is it's anecdotal nature"
*Is the apostrophe needed in "it's"?

Other issues Gore brings to the forefront are melting of icebergs and exploitation of polar bears
*"exploitation" of ice bears? What does that mean the context of - alleged - climate change?

[[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 13:11, 16 February 2012 (EST)

Separation of Powers

2012-02-16T18:08:51Z

Baobab: /* Judicial Branch */ it's > its

The '''separation of powers''' is an important part of the [[United States Constitution]], and was originaly proposed by the [[Enlightenment]] philosopher [[Montesquieu]]. With the checks and balances created by the separation of powers, each of the three branches of government can limit the powers of the others. This way, no one branch becomes too powerful. A strict separation of powers doctrine has two prohibitions. First, no branch may encroach upon the powers of another. Second, no branch may delegate to another branch its constitutionally assigned power.

The three branches of government are the [[Legislative branch]], the [[Judicial branch]] and the [[Executive branch]]. The Legislative branch consists of the two houses of [[Congress]]: [[The United States Senate|The Senate]] and [[The United States House of Representatives|The House of Representatives]]. The Judicial Branch consists of the [[Federal Court System]] led by the [[United States Supreme Court|Supreme Court]]. The Executive branch consists of the [[Prisident of the United States|President]] and his [[U.S. President's Cabinet|Cabinet]].

[[James Madison]], Americas fourth President, at the [[Constitutional Convention]] in 1787, proposes to set up the three branches of the U.S. government; Judicial, Legislative, Executive. He discovered this as the model, reading [[Isaiah]] 33:22 “For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; He will save us.”

==Powers of the Three Branches==

===Powers of the Legislative Branch===
The powers of the Legislative branch are listed in [[Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution|Article I]] of the Constitution, including: 
*[[Impeachment]], (The House) 
*The trial of impeachments, (the Senate) 
*Power To lay and collect [[Taxes]], [[Duties]], [[Imposts]] and [[Excises]], 
*to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States, 
*To borrow Money on the credit of the United States, 
*To regulate [[Commerce]] with foreign Nations, 
*To establish an uniform Rule of [[Naturalization]], 
*To establish uniform Laws on the subject of [[Bankrupcy|Bankruptcies]], 
*To coin Money, and regulate the Value thereof, 
*To establish Post Offices and post Roads, 
*To constitute [[Tribunals]] inferior to the Supreme Court, 
*To declare War, 
*To raise and support Armies, 
*To provide and maintain a Navy, 
*To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by the Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof. 
*Ratify Treaties, (two-thirds vote of the Senate) 
*Confirm Presidential appointments, 
*Override of Presidential [[Veto]] (two-thirds vote of each house) 

===Powers of the Executive Branch===
The President has the following powers: 
*Veto of [[act of Congress|acts of Congress]]
*Commander in Chief of the [[United States Armend Forces|Armed Forces]], 
*Power to pardon, except in cases of impeachment, 
*Make Treaties 
*Appointment of Ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, Judges to the federal courts, and all other Officers of the United States, 

The [[Vice President of the United States|Vice President]] has the tiebreaking vote in the Senate.

===Powers of the Judicial Branch===
The [[Jurisdiction]] of the Federal Court System includes:
*All cases arising under: 
**The Constitution, 
**The Laws of the United States, 
**Treaties, 
*All Cases involving: 
**Ambassadors, 
**Public Ministers, 
**Consuls, 
*All cases of: 
**[[admirality]] 
**[[maritime Jurisdiction]] 
*Controversies
**To which the United States shall be a party, 
**Between two or more States, 
**Between Citizens of different States, 
**Between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under [[Grants]] of different States, 
The Power of [[Judicial Review]] was added by the Supreme court Decision ''[[Marbury v. Madison]]'' by Chief Justice [[John Marshall]]. The power was said to be implied in Article III Section 2 of the Constitution.

==Checks and Balances==
All three branches check and ballance each other.

===Legislative Branch===
The Legislative branch is checked by the other branches because of the following: 
*The Prisident's veto power, 
*Judicial review, 
*The Vice President is President of the Senate and has the Tiebreaking vote. 

The Legislative branch checks the other branches the following ways: 
*They confirm the President's appointments, 
*They have the power to impeach the President, 
*They can override a Presidential veto, 
*The President cannot make any law that has not been passed by them, 
*They can impeach Judges, 
*They can limit the jurisdiction of the courts. 

===Executive Branch===
The Executive branch is checked by the other branches because of the following: 
*The President's appointments are confirmed by the senate, 
*He is subject to impeachment, 
*He cannot make laws that were not passed by congress, 
*The laws that he does sign are subject to judicial review, 
*His veto can be overturned by a two-thirds vote in congress. 

The Executive branch checks the other branches because: 
*The president has veto power, 
*He appoints judges, 
*The Vice President is President of the Senate, and has the tiebreaking vote.

===Judicial Branch===

The Judicial branch is checked by the other branches because: 
*Its judges are apointed by the president, 
*Its judges are confirmed by the senate, 
*Congress can limit its jurisdiction, 
*Congress can impeach judges. 

The Judicial branch Checks the other branches through the following: 
*Judicial review, 
*The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the impeachment of a president.
[[Category:United States Constitution]]

Hittites

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The '''Hittites''' were a northern Indo-European people who called themselves “Aryans” (like the [[Persians]])—a term meaning “noble people”, they established an empire formally known as the Kingdom Of Hatti which stretched from [[Anatolia]] (modern [[Turkey]]), [[Canaan]] ([[Palestine]] and [[Jordan]]) and [[Syria]] to northern [[Mesopotamia]] (northern [[Iraq]]).
Its capital was Hattusa, located in northeastern Turkey.

[[Image:Map of Hatti.jpg|400px|right|thumb|The Kingdom Of Hatti (red) at the height of its power and Egypt (green) during the 14th century B.C.]]

In 1650 B.C., they were able to gain control of most of Mesopotamia largely because of their advanced warfare, including horse-drawn chariots. Under their rule, life in the Babylonian empire did not flourish artistically or culturally as it did under others’ rule.

==Biblical references to the Hittites==

In the [[Old Testament]], the Hittites are mentioned more than 50 times, and are described as having descended from Ham's grandson Heth ([[Genesis]] 10:15). Biblical references to the Hittites include [[Abraham]]’s purchase of a burial site from Ephron the Hittite (Gen 23:1-20; 25:7-10) and [[King David]]'s murder of Uriah the Hittite to cover up his sin with Bathsheba [[II Samuel]] 11:3-27).

Because no trace of this ancient civilization could be found for a long time, skeptics claimed it proved that the Bible was an unreliable source. However, in 1906-1907 and 1911-1912 when thousands of cuneiform tablets were discovered in Boghaz-keui a Hittite capital. The finds did much to further the credibility of the [[Bible]] as a historical record.

==Relations with Egypt and Assyria==

The Hittites were an important power in the 14th and 13th centuries B.C. and their expansion towards the Red Sea brought them into conflict with [[Egypt]], leading to numerous skirmishes and battles of which the [[Battle of Kadesh]] was the most important.

The Battle Of Kadesh was a result from growing tension between the superpowers of the ancient near east, Egypt, Hatti and Assyria, these nations were competing over the smaller states.
One of these small states was Amurru, located in present day Syria, after it had been under Hittite influence during the 14th century B.C. it defected to Egypt in 1299 B.C.

When the Hittites threatened to restore their power through means of violence, Amurru pleaded with [[Pharaoh]] [[Rameses II]] for help in 1274 and got it in the form of two Egyptian divisions, one of which, lead by Rameses II himself was ambushed near the village of Kadesh by a numerically superior Hittite chariot force, but the other division arrived just in time to prevent an Egyptian defeat.
Although the battle ended in a draw, Egypt gave up its colonies in Syria.

For Rameses II, who was in just in his 5th year of his reign, Kadesh was a test that he had to pass to gain the respect of the Egyptian aristocracy.

In 1258 B.C. Pharaoh Rameses II and King Muwatalli of Hatti signed the world's first known peace treaty <ref>Egyptian-Hittite peace treaty[http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/egyptian-hittite-peace-treaty.htm]</ref> (a copy of which hangs on the walls of the [[United Nations]] headquarters), which also established an alliance against Assyria.

==Demise==

Hatti and [[Egypt]] two coexisted peacefully for seventy years, but by then Hatti had been weakened by [[Assyria]] and was sacked by the "Sea Peoples" a loose coalition of which the [[Philistines]] were a member.

Although Egypt was also attacked it was able to drive the attackers back and continue to prosper, Hatti however never recovered and continued to decline until the official fall of the kingdom around 1160 B.C.

After the kingdom had fallen, most of its former territories were annexed by Assyria, with some Hittite city-states remaining independent until the 8th century B.C.

==References==
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http://www.crystalinks.com/hittites.html

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[[category:biblical Peoples]]