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		<title>Industrial Workers of the World</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Iww-kill.JPG|thumb|350px|this 1912 IWW cartoon calls for murdering the capitalists]]The '''Industrial Workers of the World''' (IWW), nicknamed the &amp;quot;Wobblies&amp;quot;  was a far-left violent revolutionary&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.iww.org/culture/official/abc.shtml The ABC's of Revolutionary Unionism], Industrial Workers of the World&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; [[labor union]] in the United States and Canada. It was founded in 1905 by [[&amp;quot;Big Bill&amp;quot; Haywood]], an avowed atheist&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;J. Anthony Lukas, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=d07IME-ezzQC Big Trouble: A Murder in a Small Western Town Sets Off a Struggle for the Soul of America]'' (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1998) ISBN 0684846179, p. 236&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and Communist.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Jamie H. Cockfield, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=LkiUgn3MTmEC Black Lebeda: The Russian Famine Diary of ARA Kazan District Supervisor J. Rives Childs, 1921-1923]'' (Mercer University Press, 2006), ISBN 088146015X, p. 91, fn. 50&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Its goals were to create &amp;quot;one big union&amp;quot; and destroy capitalism. It practiced dual unionism, which undercut the established unions like the [[AFL]] unions. They in turn worked to destroy the IWW.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The 1909 strike against the Pressed Steel Car Company of McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania, attracted the attention of the IWW, which had a policy of &amp;quot;an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, blood for blood.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Jerre Mangione and Ben Morreale, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=MKzorg2128cC La Storia: Five Centuries of the Italian American Experience]'' (New York: HarperCollins, 1993) ISBN 0060924411, p. 295&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; According to Thomas Brewton, a [http://www.worldviewtimes.com/bio.php/authorid-100/Thomas-E-Brewton staff writer] for the [http://www.nmatv.com/ New Media Alliance], &amp;quot;The IWW delivered on that threat by murdering half a dozen members of the state constabulary.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Thomas E. Brewton, [http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/weblog_printerFriendly/621/ IWW - Organized Crime in the Labor Market], The View From 1776&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Among those killed were Pennsylvania State Troopers John L. Williams and John Curtis Smith.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Marylynne Pitz, &amp;quot;[http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09228/990709-51.stm Pressed Steel Car strike in McKees Rocks Reaches Centennial Anniversary],&amp;quot; ''Pittsburgh Post-Gazette'', August 16, 2009&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The IWW never had a large following, making its greatest impact when it seized control of a large textile strike in Lawrence, Massachusetts in 1912. The AFL unions greatly outnumbered the small IWW contingent in Lawrence, but dramatic actions gave momentum to the IWW, much to the disgust of regular unionists. John Golden, president of the AFL United Textile Workers denounced the IWW action as &amp;quot;revolutionary&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;anarchistic&amp;quot; but failed to wrest the leadership of the strike away from the Wobblies. AFL President [[Samuel Gompers]] denounced the strike as a &amp;quot;class conscious industrial revolution ... a passing event that is not intended to be an organization for the protection of the immediate rights or promotion of the near future interests of the workers.&amp;quot;  Radical historians have celebrated the strike. When the state government sent in the militia, the IWW sent in its top firebrands, Haywood, Italian anarchist Carlo Tresca, and his wife [[Elizabeth Gurley Flynn]]. Finally, the strikers won a pay increase. IWW membership swelled to 10,000, but the union proved unable to bargain on a routine basis for its members.&lt;br /&gt;
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The IWW is most famous for the execution of IWW member Joe Hill. As Brewton recounts:&lt;br /&gt;
{{cquote|In 1914 Salt Lake City former policeman John Morrison and his son Arling were shot dead by gunmen as they were closing their small grocery store for the night.  Before being shot to death, Arling managed to fire the store’s pistol at the intruders.&lt;br /&gt;
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A younger son, who was in the rear of the store when the gunmen burst into the store, heard one of them shout, “We’ve got you now.” It was noted in the subsequent trial that Morrison had quit the police force because of threats from IWW members whose activities he had confronted while enforcing the law. &lt;br /&gt;
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An hour and a half after the murders, Dr. Frank McHugh was awakened at his home by IWW member Joe Hill, who had a gunshot wound in his chest.  As he was being treated, a revolver slipped from his pocket to the floor.  Hearing about the Morrison murders the next day, Dr. McHugh alerted the police.  Joe Hill was arrested, convicted, and executed for the murders.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Thomas E. Brewton, [http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/weblog_printerFriendly/621/ IWW - Organized Crime in the Labor Market], The View From 1776&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In 1916, in Everett, Washington, I.W.W. members came in support of a strike by shingle workers at the Clough-Hartly mill.  After I.W.W. members were beaten by local deputies and citizens and left to walk back to Seattle; plans were made to return in aboard the steamer ''Verona''.  When the ''Verona'' tried to dock it was met by the sheriff, a number of deputies and and many onlookers.  To this day it is uncertain who fired the first shots, but in the ensuing chaos a deputy sheriff was shot in the back by friendly fire, a lumber company official died five I.W.W. members were killed with six others unaccounted for.  During the battle the ''Verona'' nearly capsized due to I.W.W. members trying to flee the gunfire. Strongest among miners and lumberjacks in the far west, the IWW lost its next big strike, in Patterson, New Jersey, in 1916, and membership fell to 400 radicals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:American-cities-125.jpg|thumb|300px|left|Bombing of the Federal building, Chicago, moments after [[#refNARAcities|95 Wobblies]] were convicted there, 1918. ''Source: National Archives and Records Administration'']]During World War I, the IWW tried to sabotage the U.S. war effort. All leading Wobblies were arrested by the [[Woodrow Wilson|Wilson Administration]] under the [[Sedition Act of 1918]] and went to prison. Moments after the sentencing of [[#refNARAcities|95 Wobbies]] (including Haywood) at the Chicago Federal Building in 1918, a bomb ripped through the building, killing four.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9502E2DB1439E13ABC4D53DFBF668383609EDE IWW Bomb Kills Four in Chicago],&amp;quot; ''The New York Times'', September 5, 1918; Charles Howard McCormick, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=Vcvhrdr6drgC Hopeless Cases: The Hunt for the Red Scare Terrorist Bombers]'' (Lanham, Md.: University Press of America, 2005) ISBN 0761831320, pp. 31-31&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Out on appeal in 1921, Haywood fled to [[Moscow]], where he became a trusted adviser to the [[Bolshevik]] government.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Douglas Linder (2003), [http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/haywood/HAY_BHAY.HTM William D. Haywood], Famous Trials (University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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That year, after the [[Bolsheviks]] brutally&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Scott Zenkatsu Parker, ''[http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mhuey/ Pravda o Kronshtadte]'' (&amp;quot;The Truth about Kronstadt&amp;quot;), ed. Mary Huey (University of Michigan)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; crushed&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&amp;amp;res=9B05EED8133CE533A25752C1A9659C946095D6CF Bolsheviki Crush Moscow Uprising],&amp;quot; ''The New York Times'', March 11, 1921&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a wave of strikes,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Michael C. Hickey, [http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=23572 A Social Contract and No Socialism], H-Russia Discussion Network (April, 2009), H-Net (Humanities and Social Sciences Online), Michigan State University&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Haywood betrayed the workers, saying, &amp;quot;every genuine labor union in the United States ought to affiliate with the International Council of Trade and Industrial Unions with its central bureau at Moscow.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Max Eastman, &amp;quot;[http://www.marxists.org/archive/eastman/1921/bill-haywood.htm Bill Haywood, Communist],&amp;quot; ''The Liberator'', April, 1921;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; (The ICTIU was the phony &amp;quot;union&amp;quot; created and controlled by the [[Kremlin]] to suppress workers' rights in the [[Soviet Union]].)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;''[http://www.cultinfo.ru/fulltext/1/001/008/093/699.htm Профессиональные союзы СССР]'' (The trade unions of the USSR), cultinfo.ru; cf. Israel Getzler, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=qK3m05CQhT4C Kronstadt 1917-1921: The Fate of a Soviet Democracy]'' (Cambridge University Press, 2002) ISBN 0521894425, p. 233&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The union collapsed, but a tiny remnant still exists.&lt;br /&gt;
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The IWW remains an icon of the far left, who admire its opposition to capitalism.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* Dubofsky, Melvyn. ''We Shall Be All: A History of the Industrial Workers of the World''  (abridged ed. 2000) [http://www.amazon.com/We-Shall-Be-All-Industrial/dp/0252069056/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1232228839&amp;amp;sr=8-2 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.iww.org/en/culture IWW homepage]&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Labor Unions]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Progressive Era]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[category:Socialism]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Industrial Workers of the World</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bgbdvodo: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Iww-kill.JPG|thumb|350px|this 1912 IWW cartoon calls for murdering the capitalists]]The '''Industrial Workers of the World''' (IWW), nicknamed the &amp;quot;Wobblies&amp;quot;  was a far-left violent revolutionary&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.iww.org/culture/official/abc.shtml The ABC's of Revolutionary Unionism], Industrial Workers of the World&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; [[labor union]] in the United States and Canada. It was founded in 1905 by [[&amp;quot;Big Bill&amp;quot; Haywood]], an avowed atheist&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;J. Anthony Lukas, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=d07IME-ezzQC Big Trouble: A Murder in a Small Western Town Sets Off a Struggle for the Soul of America]'' (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1998) ISBN 0684846179, p. 236&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and Communist.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Jamie H. Cockfield, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=LkiUgn3MTmEC Black Lebeda: The Russian Famine Diary of ARA Kazan District Supervisor J. Rives Childs, 1921-1923]'' (Mercer University Press, 2006), ISBN 088146015X, p. 91, fn. 50&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Its goals were to create &amp;quot;one big union&amp;quot; and destroy capitalism. It practiced dual unionism, which undercut the established unions like the [[AFL]] unions. They in turn worked to destroy the IWW.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The 1909 strike against the Pressed Steel Car Company of McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania, attracted the attention of the IWW, which had a policy of &amp;quot;an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, blood for blood.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Jerre Mangione and Ben Morreale, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=MKzorg2128cC La Storia: Five Centuries of the Italian American Experience]'' (New York: HarperCollins, 1993) ISBN 0060924411, p. 295&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; According to Thomas Brewton, a [http://www.worldviewtimes.com/bio.php/authorid-100/Thomas-E-Brewton staff writer] for the [http://www.nmatv.com/ New Media Alliance], &amp;quot;The IWW delivered on that threat by murdering half a dozen members of the state constabulary.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Thomas E. Brewton, [http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/weblog_printerFriendly/621/ IWW - Organized Crime in the Labor Market], The View From 1776&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Among those killed were Pennsylvania State Troopers John L. Williams and John Curtis Smith.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Marylynne Pitz, &amp;quot;[http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09228/990709-51.stm Pressed Steel Car strike in McKees Rocks Reaches Centennial Anniversary],&amp;quot; ''Pittsburgh Post-Gazette'', August 16, 2009&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The IWW never had a large following, making its greatest impact when it seized control of a large textile strike in Lawrence, Massachusetts in 1912. The AFL unions greatly outnumbered the small IWW contingent in Lawrence, but dramatic actions gave momentum to the IWW, much to the disgust of regular unionists. John Golden, president of the AFL United Textile Workers denounced the IWW action as &amp;quot;revolutionary&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;anarchistic&amp;quot; but failed to wrest the leadership of the strike away from the Wobblies. AFL President [[Samuel Gompers]] denounced the strike as a &amp;quot;class conscious industrial revolution ... a passing event that is not intended to be an organization for the protection of the immediate rights or promotion of the near future interests of the workers.&amp;quot;  Radical historians have celebrated the strike. When the state government sent in the militia, the IWW sent in its top firebrands, Haywood, Italian anarchist Carlo Tresca, and his wife [[Elizabeth Gurley Flynn]]. Finally, the strikers won a small pay increase. IWW membership swelled to 10,000, but the union proved unable to bargain on a routine basis for its members.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The IWW is most famous for the execution of IWW member Joe Hill. As Brewton recounts:&lt;br /&gt;
{{cquote|In 1914 Salt Lake City former policeman John Morrison and his son Arling were shot dead by gunmen as they were closing their small grocery store for the night.  Before being shot to death, Arling managed to fire the store’s pistol at the intruders.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A younger son, who was in the rear of the store when the gunmen burst into the store, heard one of them shout, “We’ve got you now.” It was noted in the subsequent trial that Morrison had quit the police force because of threats from IWW members whose activities he had confronted while enforcing the law. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
An hour and a half after the murders, Dr. Frank McHugh was awakened at his home by IWW member Joe Hill, who had a gunshot wound in his chest.  As he was being treated, a revolver slipped from his pocket to the floor.  Hearing about the Morrison murders the next day, Dr. McHugh alerted the police.  Joe Hill was arrested, convicted, and executed for the murders.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Thomas E. Brewton, [http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/weblog_printerFriendly/621/ IWW - Organized Crime in the Labor Market], The View From 1776&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In 1916, in Everett, Washington, IWW members came in support of a strike by shingle workers at the Clough-Hartly mill.  After I.W.W. members were beaten by local deputies and citizens and left to walk back to Seattle; plans were made to return in aboard the steamer ''Verona''.  When the ''Verona'' tried to dock it was met by the sheriff, a number of deputies and and many onlookers.  To this day it is uncertain who fired the first shots, but in the ensuing chaos a deputy sheriff was shot in the back by friendly fire, a lumber company official died five I.W.W. members were killed with six others unaccounted for.  During the battle the ''Verona'' nearly capsized due to I.W.W. members trying to flee the gunfire. Strongest among miners and lumberjacks in the far west, the IWW lost its next big strike, in Patterson, New Jersey, in 1916, and membership fell to 400 radicals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:American-cities-125.jpg|thumb|300px|left|Bombing of the Federal building, Chicago, moments after [[#refNARAcities|95 Wobblies]] were convicted there, 1918. ''Source: National Archives and Records Administration'']]During World War I, the IWW tried to sabotage the U.S. war effort. All leading Wobblies were arrested by the [[Woodrow Wilson|Wilson Administration]] under the [[Sedition Act of 1918]] and went to prison. Moments after the sentencing of [[#refNARAcities|95 Wobbies]] (including Haywood) at the Chicago Federal Building in 1918, a bomb ripped through the building, killing four.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9502E2DB1439E13ABC4D53DFBF668383609EDE IWW Bomb Kills Four in Chicago],&amp;quot; ''The New York Times'', September 5, 1918; Charles Howard McCormick, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=Vcvhrdr6drgC Hopeless Cases: The Hunt for the Red Scare Terrorist Bombers]'' (Lanham, Md.: University Press of America, 2005) ISBN 0761831320, pp. 31-31&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Out on appeal in 1921, Haywood fled to [[Moscow]], where he became a trusted adviser to the [[Bolshevik]] government.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Douglas Linder (2003), [http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/haywood/HAY_BHAY.HTM William D. Haywood], Famous Trials (University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That year, after the [[Bolsheviks]] brutally&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Scott Zenkatsu Parker, ''[http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mhuey/ Pravda o Kronshtadte]'' (&amp;quot;The Truth about Kronstadt&amp;quot;), ed. Mary Huey (University of Michigan)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; crushed&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;[http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&amp;amp;res=9B05EED8133CE533A25752C1A9659C946095D6CF Bolsheviki Crush Moscow Uprising],&amp;quot; ''The New York Times'', March 11, 1921&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a wave of strikes,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Michael C. Hickey, [http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=23572 A Social Contract and No Socialism], H-Russia Discussion Network (April, 2009), H-Net (Humanities and Social Sciences Online), Michigan State University&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Haywood betrayed the workers, saying, &amp;quot;every genuine labor union in the United States ought to affiliate with the International Council of Trade and Industrial Unions with its central bureau at Moscow.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Max Eastman, &amp;quot;[http://www.marxists.org/archive/eastman/1921/bill-haywood.htm Bill Haywood, Communist],&amp;quot; ''The Liberator'', April, 1921;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; (The ICTIU was the phony &amp;quot;union&amp;quot; created and controlled by the [[Kremlin]] to suppress workers' rights in the [[Soviet Union]].)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;''[http://www.cultinfo.ru/fulltext/1/001/008/093/699.htm Профессиональные союзы СССР]'' (The trade unions of the USSR), cultinfo.ru; cf. Israel Getzler, ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=qK3m05CQhT4C Kronstadt 1917-1921: The Fate of a Soviet Democracy]'' (Cambridge University Press, 2002) ISBN 0521894425, p. 233&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The union collapsed, but a tiny remnant still exists.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The IWW remains an icon of the far left, who admire its bitter, often violent opposition to capitalism and its rejection of American ideals.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* Dubofsky, Melvyn. ''We Shall Be All: A History of the Industrial Workers of the World''  (abridged ed. 2000) [http://www.amazon.com/We-Shall-Be-All-Industrial/dp/0252069056/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;amp;s=books&amp;amp;qid=1232228839&amp;amp;sr=8-2 excerpt and text search]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.iww.org/en/culture IWW homepage]&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Labor Unions]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Progressive Era]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[category:Socialism]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Industrial Workers of the World</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bgbdvodo: Created page with 'You should check your facts on the 1916 action in Everett, WA.  Wobblies were not involved in &amp;quot;Violent&amp;quot; street action in Everett.  The deputies beat 40 IWW members and sent them ...'&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;You should check your facts on the 1916 action in Everett, WA.  Wobblies were not involved in &amp;quot;Violent&amp;quot; street action in Everett.  The deputies beat 40 IWW members and sent them off to Seattle, before the IWW came back on the ''Veronia'' were five union members were killed outright with six more gone missing.  Plus they did not instigate the strike, they came in support of the shingle workers striking against the Clough-Hartley mill.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>User talk:Bgbdvodo</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bgbdvodo: /* Let me get this straight */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;he was blocked for removing &amp;quot;so-called?&amp;quot; that's ridiculous. [[User:Avoge|A. Vogel]] 16:36, 3 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Let me get this straight ==&lt;br /&gt;
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You removed something, were banned for it, the ban was reconsidered, but you go and remove it again?  Even in removing your block, Karajou implied it was not a positive change to the article. [[User:JacobB|JacobB]] 21:11, 19 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;So-called&amp;quot; was not needed for the following reason. Even though the original poster may not agree with the teachings of the Enlightenment, it was still none the less a philosophical movement which the original poster seemed to acknowledge by cap the word.  Wasn't the idea of setting up Conservapedia an answer to move away from liberal bias?  Then why are we setting up the mirror image of Wikipedia?  Posts should contain truth, without pressing the personal opinion of the poster.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>User talk:Avoge</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bgbdvodo: /* Up for Discussion */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Up for Discussion ==&lt;br /&gt;
Please present your points here. [[User:Avoge|A. Vogel]] 14:49, 3 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for the support on my ban.  I thought that &amp;quot;so called&amp;quot; was a little snarky.  Thomas Paine was influenced by the Enlightenment.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thanks for the support, my feelings exactly.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bgbdvodo</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=The_Age_of_Reason&amp;diff=721889</id>
		<title>The Age of Reason</title>
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		<updated>2009-11-19T17:51:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bgbdvodo: Removed &amp;quot;so called&amp;quot; because the Enlightenment was a philosophical movement which the author must already know as the writer capitolized &amp;quot;Enlightenmnet&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;*&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;For other uses, see [[Age of reason]].&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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'''''The Age of Reason''''' is a book by [[Thomas Paine]], published in 1794. Influenced by the [[Enlightenment]], Paine gives his views on religion, espouses his philosophy of [[deism]], and criticizes the [[Bible]] and organized religion:&lt;br /&gt;
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:I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.&lt;br /&gt;
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:All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.&lt;br /&gt;
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The book attacks the concept of revelation, saying,&lt;br /&gt;
:It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication - after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.&lt;br /&gt;
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== See also ==&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Philosophy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[category:Enlightenment]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Books|Age of Reason, The]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bgbdvodo</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Aleister_Crowley&amp;diff=721886</id>
		<title>Aleister Crowley</title>
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		<updated>2009-11-19T17:48:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bgbdvodo: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Crowley.jpg‎|thumbnail|150px|The [[occult|occultist]] [[Aleister Crowley]] was dubbed in his lifetime &amp;quot;the most wicked man on earth&amp;quot;.  Aleister Crowley stated: &amp;quot;I was not content to believe in a personal [[devil]] and serve him, in the ordinary sense of the word. I wanted to get hold of him personally and become his chief of staff.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://books.google.com/books?id=k_uVVznqdssC&amp;amp;pg=PA49&amp;amp;lpg=PA49&amp;amp;dq=I+was+not+content+to+believe+in+a+personal+devil+and+serve+him,+in+the+ordinary+sense+of+the+word.+I+wanted+to+get+hold+of+him+personally+and+become+his+chief+of+staff.&amp;amp;source=web&amp;amp;ots=w0mmSaLOcC&amp;amp;sig=rSH3vqIlpfp3U5-mSLKD5vsVG5w&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;sa=X&amp;amp;oi=book_result&amp;amp;resnum=2&amp;amp;ct=result&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
'''Aleister Crowley'''  was a [[satanist]], [[occult|occultist]], [[bisexual]], and was also described as &amp;quot;The Wickedest Man In the World.&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite news | first = Horatio | last = Bottomley  | title = The Wickedest Man In The World | work = John Bull | date = 1923-03-24 }}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Crowley also had very [[sexist]] views merely finding women &amp;quot;tolerable&amp;quot; when they contributed to a man's work, but (according to Crowley) they had no hope of understanding the work (as they were less intelligent then men, according to him&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Sutin, ch. 1, p. 28&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;(Crowley ''Confessions'' pp. 96-7)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  It should however be noted that Crowley was very [[pro-life]], believing abortion to be murder and he also believed that a woman would never really want to end a pregnancy.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;A Magick Life&amp;quot;, Martin Booth, p400, Coronet, ISBN 0-340-71806-4&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Satanism]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bgbdvodo</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Avoge&amp;diff=718749</id>
		<title>User talk:Avoge</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Avoge&amp;diff=718749"/>
		<updated>2009-11-10T19:07:30Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bgbdvodo: /* Up for Discussion */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Up for Discussion ==&lt;br /&gt;
Please present your points here. [[User:Avoge|A. Vogel]] 14:49, 3 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for the support on my ban.  I thought that &amp;quot;so called&amp;quot; was a little snarky.  Thomas Paine was influenced by the Enlightenment.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bgbdvodo</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=The_Age_of_Reason&amp;diff=716555</id>
		<title>The Age of Reason</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=The_Age_of_Reason&amp;diff=716555"/>
		<updated>2009-11-03T20:31:54Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Bgbdvodo: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;*&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;For other uses, see [[Age of reason]].&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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'''''The Age of Reason''''' is a book by [[Thomas Paine]], published in 1794. Influenced by the [[Enlightenment]], Paine gives his views on religion, espouses his philosophy of [[deism]], and criticizes the [[Bible]] and organized religion:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The book attacks the concept of revelation, saying,&lt;br /&gt;
:It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication - after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== See also ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Philosophy]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Books|Age of Reason, The]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Bgbdvodo</name></author>
	</entry>
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