https://www.conservapedia.com/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=ChristopherMConservapedia - User contributions [en]2026-09-22T11:55:15ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.35.14https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Kent_State_protests&diff=578114Talk:Kent State protests2008-12-05T03:34:15Z<p>ChristopherM: /* Conservapedia's American History Lecture and this article */ new section</p>
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<div>"Although the adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard said that a sniper had fired a shot, many Americans felt that there was no justification for the guardsmen to fire into the crowd at all." Uh. I'm not sure what this is supposed to say... It doesn't really follow. Any suggestions for how to fix it? [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 01:16, 28 March 2008 (EDT)<br />
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:I vote remove it. The first sentence is irrelevant (we already know that the ONG fired shots) and the second part is an opinion (with [[ad populum]] overtones). [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 01:19, 28 March 2008 (EDT)<br />
::I think the quote is implying that the ONG had been ''fired upon'' by a sniper, justifying their firing their weapons. Am I alone in that interpretation? -[[User:DrSandstone|DrSandstone]] 11:55, 1 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::That's the report I recall reading, when I was reading up on the history of the incident around a year ago. On the other hand, it's hard to understand how firing into a crowd would have any effect on a sniper. <br />
::::Right...it doesn't really make sense, but if it was an official response, it should probably still be included. -[[User:DrSandstone|DrSandstone]] 12:10, 1 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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:::If I had been a national guard officer at the time, I would have issued wise [[rules of engagement]] to my men. I really doubt these guys had been given any kind of training about crowd control. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 12:04, 1 December 2008 (EST)<br />
::::The documentary that I watched about the incident indicated that the officers had done poorly in coordinating the troops, putting them in very dangerous situations. The interviews indicated that many of these National Guardsmen, all relatively the same age as the protesters, were quite scared for their safety. And, if I recall correctly, some of them had heard the order to fire, though they were in quite a chaotic situation. -[[User:DrSandstone|DrSandstone]] 12:10, 1 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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One student was wounded by National guardsmen and she was shot another 6 times by aimed fire as she lay on the ground. The guardsmen fired at obviously unarmed civilians in contravention of US Law that forbids the army being used in police matters [[User:Markr|Markr]] 11:11, 1 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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:2nd request, sorry to split the thread. We need to cite the law and describe its interpretation. Everyone agrees that police and military should not [[open fire]] on peaceful, unarmed civilians. It's the shades of gray that has everyone upset. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 11:30, 1 December 2008 (EST)<br />
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== Conservapedia's American History Lecture and this article ==<br />
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The American History Lecture clearly states that four peaceful protesters were shot dead. Should the article not reflect that interpretation? [[User:ChristopherM|ChristopherM]] 22:34, 4 December 2008 (EST)</div>ChristopherMhttps://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Kent_State_protests&diff=578105Kent State protests2008-12-05T03:26:30Z<p>ChristopherM: Removed Wikipedia reference, brought article in line w/Conservapedia'a</p>
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<div>At Kent State University in 1970, peaceful protesters were shot at by National Guardsmen and several were killed. <ref> [http://www.conservapedia.com/American_History_Lecture_Twelve|Conservapedia American History Lecture 12]</ref><br />
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The governor called out the [[National Guard]].<br />
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On May 2, the ROTC was found [[fire|ablaze]]. Protesters surrounded the building, cut a fire hose and assaulted [[fire fighter]]s with "rocks and other objects". <ref>Firemen left the scene after hoses were punctured and cut open, unable to extinguish the blaze. [http://speccoll.library.kent.edu/4may70/exhibit/chronology/index.html Kent State Library chronology</ref><br />
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On May 3, protesters defying a curfew by the mayor were dispersed by guardsmen using [[tear gas]].<br />
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==Four student deaths==<br />
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On May 4, around 2,000 people gathered for a previously planned rally to protest the American bombing of Cambodia, despite the university's announcement of a ban or cancellation. When a [[police]] official ordered the crowd to disperse, his Jeep was "pelted with rocks" and one guardsman was injured. The two guard units advanced with loaded [[rifle]]s and fixed [[bayonet]]s and partly succeeded in dispersing the crowd.<br />
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Remaining students threw rocks and tear gas canisters at the guardsmen. There are conflicting reports about whether guardsmen were fired upon (see [[opening fire]] or [[returning fire]]).<br />
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Some guardsmen fired their rifles. Shots were fired into the air, into the ground, but also directly at people. A total of 67 shots were fired, hitting 13 people and killing 4 of them.<br />
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The protest song "Ohio," written by Neil Young, was inspired by the [[Kent State]] shootings.<br />
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