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Santa syndrome

2012-08-18T15:58:42Z

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'''Santa syndrome''' is a [[psychological]] syndrome [[Causes of atheism|causing]] affected individuals to ultimately accept [[militant atheism|atheism]].<ref name=Syndrome>{{cite web|url=http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2011/04/santa-syndrome.html|title=Santa Syndrome|publisher=Debunking Atheists|date=15 April 2011|accessdate=23 May 2012}}</ref> Most individuals discover or are told that the supernatural aspects associated with the [[Christian]] tradition of [[Santa Claus]], such as him riding a sleigh led by [[reindeer]] and giving all good children around the world [[Christmas]] presents, are legend and are simply practiced in order to enrich the experience of celebrating the holy day.<ref name=Syndrome>{{cite web|url=http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2011/04/santa-syndrome.html|title=Santa Syndrome|publisher=Debunking Atheists|date=15 April 2011|accessdate=23 May 2012}}</ref> However, individuals with this [[syndrome]] are often [[abnormal psychology|abnormally]] bitter about this finding and as a result, move further to reject the [[existence of God]].<ref name=Syndrome>{{cite web|url=http://debunkingatheists.blogspot.com/2011/04/santa-syndrome.html|title=Santa Syndrome|publisher=Debunking Atheists|date=15 April 2011|accessdate=23 May 2012}}</ref>

In the book ''Christian No More'', author Jeffrey Mark describes his suffering from Santa syndrome;<ref name=Reaction>{{cite web|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=h4iSp50GLO4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Christian+No+More&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vrO9T5P3AePs2QWhvdiqDw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Santa&f=false|title=Christian No More|last=Mark|first=Jeffrey|year=2008|page=17|accessdate=23 May 2012}}</ref> a notable Christian [[apologist]] who publishes his work under the ''[[nom de plume]]'' [[ShockofGod]] has analyzed Jeffrey Mark's case and presented his findings in a case study available to the public.<ref name=Case>{{cite web|url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pGa-0lhaP0|title=Atheism Santa Syndrome Case #20|author=[[ShockofGod]]|date=1 March 2010|accessdate=23 May 2012}}</ref> Jeffrey Mark describes the consternation he underwent when he was told about the supernatural additions to the story of [[Saint Nicholas]]: {{quotation|She broke the unbelievable news that no, there really was no Santa Claus. But how could that be?<ref name=Reaction>{{cite web|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=h4iSp50GLO4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Christian+No+More&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vrO9T5P3AePs2QWhvdiqDw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Santa&f=false|title=Christian No More|last=Mark|first=Jeffrey|year=2008|page=17|accessdate=23 May 2012}}</ref>
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This finding led to the author's [[Pathology|psychopathological]] denial of the existence of [[God]]: {{quotation|And interestingly, my feeling that [[Jesus]] was real was just as strong as when I was younger and felt that Santa was real. But Santa wasn't real. That gave me something to think about.<ref name=Example>{{cite web|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=h4iSp50GLO4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Christian+No+More&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vrO9T5P3AePs2QWhvdiqDw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Santa&f=false|title=Christian No More|last=Mark|first=Jeffrey|year=2008|page=24|accessdate=23 May 2012}}</ref>}}

==What Santa Syndrome is not==

Although some creationists have equated evolutionary belief with belief in Santa and unicorns<ref>http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/08/evolutionary-beliefs-about-dinosaurs.html</ref>, this is not the same as Santa Syndrome because they did not reject the theory of evolution due to finding out that Santa was not real. Rather, they see the childish quality of the evolution and join many of the Christian intellectuals in Western history by affirming creation.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==See also==
*[[Causes of atheism]]

==External links==
*[http://www.truefreethinker.com/articles/can-you-disprove-santa-clause-atheism-and-%E2%80%9Csanta-syndrome%E2%80%9D True Freethinker: Santa Syndrome]
*[http://anti-matters.org/articles/91/public/91-84-1-PB.pdf The Pyschology of Atheism] by Paul C. Vitz, Ph.D., New York University Department of Psychology
*[http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/vitz.txt Columbia University: The Psychology of Atheism]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9j8wi2zQT0 Santa Syndrome Explained]
*[http://www.stnicholascenter.org/pages/who-is-st-nicholas/ St. Nicholas Center: Discovering the Truth about Santa Claus]
*[http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3F54DB0328E314F9 Santa Syndrome Case Studies]

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[[Category:Atheism]]
[[Category:Mental health]]
[[Category:Psychology]]
[[Category:Shockofgod]]
[[Category:Syndromes]]

Creation

2012-06-10T21:17:23Z

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[[Image:Michelangelo creation-of-sun-and-moon.jpg|right|alt=Young earth creationism|thumb|250px|[[Michelangelo|Michelangelo's]] painting of the creation of the [[Sun]] and [[Moon]].]]
'''Creation''' refers to either that which has been created, e.g. Mark 16:15, “Preach the Gospel to the whole creation,” or to the moment or process by which [[God]] created, e.g. [[Genesis]] is the creation account. This article deals with the second meaning, according to [[Christian]] faith.

[[Creation science]] investigates how God brought the [[earth]] and [[universe]] into being. [[Young Earth Creationism|Young Earth Creationism]] demonstrates though multiple lines of evidence that the earth is [[Counterexamples to an Old Earth|approximately 6,000 years old]]. [[Old Earth Creationism]], like [[atheism|atheistic]] [[pseudoscience|evolutionary pseudoscience]], claims that the earth and universe are billions of years old.

[[Creation science|Creation scientists]] also demonstrate that the [[evolution|theory of evolution]] is in [[Counterexamples to Evolution|conflict with the evidence]] provided by the physical sciences and often cite secular scientific sources which agree with them on various points (for further details please see: [[evolution|theory of evolution]]).<ref>http://www.creation.com/content/view/21</ref> [[Theistic evolution]]ists accept an old Earth and believe that evolution occurred, but that it was God’s means of creation.

==Famous Creationists==

The late Dr. [[Henry Morris]] was the founder of the [[Institute for Creation Research]] (ICR), who coined the term “[[creation science]]” and began the modern creation science movement. He was a scientist and held a master's degree and a [[PhD]][[Category:Creationism]][[Category:Christianity]] in hydraulic engineering from the [[University of Minnesota]].

[[Image:Duanegishpic.jpg|thumb|175px|right|Dr. Duane Gish]]
Dr. [[Duane Gish]], now retired, was a scientist ([[chemistry]]), a member of ICR, and a prolific debater for the Young Earth creationist cause.
Dr. [[Henry Morris]] said of Gish, “at least in our judgment and that of most in the audiences, he always wins.”

Dr. [[Jonathan Sarfati]] is a scientist (chemistry), [[chess]] champion, and Young Earth creationist, who works for [[Creation Ministries International]] in [[Australia]].
He has written a number of books refuting evolutionary arguments and various theological arguments that try and accommodate evolution or an old Earth.

[[Ken Ham]] is a Young Earth creationist, a founder of the American branch of [[Answers in Genesis]], and prime mover of the Petersburg, Kentucky [[Creation Museum]].

Dr. [[Hugh Ross]] is a scientist (astronomy), a progressive creationist, and founder of [[Reasons to Believe]].
He considers nature to be the 67th book of the Bible.

Dr. [[Kent Hovind]], also known as "Dr. Dino," is a prominent and controversial young Earth creationist. He founded the Creation Science Evangelism Ministry.

==Creation in Non-Christian Religions==
Most [[religion]]s of the world have their own versions of creation, some of which are similar to Christian beliefs and some of which are very different. The teachings of [[Judaism]] are based on Genesis, as in Christianity; however, significant Jewish authorities also believe in the [[theory of evolution]], and that this theory is not incompatible with biblical accounts of creation.<ref>"Creation, Evolution, and Intelligent Design." Rabbinical Council of America. December 27, 2005. http://www.rabbis.org/news/article.cfm?id=100635</ref> [[Muslims]] attribute creation of the universe to [[Allah]]. The [[Qur'an]] does not have one cohesive story of creation, but the sacred book does say that the Earth and the rest of the universe were created over six "days," which may not be the same length of time as a modern day.<ref>"The Origin of Life - an Islamic Perspective. Islam for Today. Accessed March 6, 2011." http://www.islamfortoday.com/emerick16.htm</ref> "Young-Earth creationism is wholly absent in the Muslim world."<ref>Hameed, Salman. "Bracing for Islamic Creationism." December 12, 2008. Science Magazine, Vol. 322 pp. 1637-1638. http://helios.hampshire.edu/~sahCS/Hameed-Science-Creationism.pdf</ref> [[Hindus]] believe that [[Brahma]], one of their three principal gods, created the universe, while [[Vishnu]] is the preserver of the universe.<ref>"Beliefs (Hinduism)." BBC. July 31, 2003. http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/beliefs/intro_1.shtml</ref> Hinduism has its own form of evolution, and is generally considered to be compatible with the current "scientific" theory of evolution.<ref>Moorty, J.S.R.L.Narayana. "Science and Spirituality: Any Points of Contact?" 1995. http://www.well.com/user/jct/science.html</ref>

Versions of creation in ancient, indigenous, Eastern, and relatively obscure religions are often referred to as "creation stories" or "creation myths." (Note: in this usage, the word "myth" does not necessarily imply that the story is untrue, but that it is a traditional or legendary story.<ref>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/myth</ref>) Here are some examples:<ref>"Creation Myths" http://www.magictails.com/creationlinks.html</ref><ref>"Creation Stories from around the World" http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CS/CSIndex.html</ref>

*[[Babylonians]] believed that the heavens, Earth, and non-human life were created by Marduk, the four-eared, four-eyed giant who became ruler of the gods after defeating an army of [[dragon]]s and [[monster]]s. These things were created from the body of Tiamat, who was a descendent of the water gods like Marduk, and who ruled the defeated army of dragons and monsters. Human life was created by Ea, god of the rivers, and Nintu, the birth-goddess, out of [[clay]] from the Earth and [[blood]] and spittle from other gods.
*According to [[Hopi]] [[Native Americans]], the Creator, Taiowa, and his "nephew," Sotuknang, created the finite with four separate acts of creaton. 1) Gathering [[matter]] to create nine solid worlds. 2) Gathering [[water]]s to create seas. 3) Gathering [[air]] to make winds and breezes. 4) Creating life, starting with Spider Woman, who created all other life forms.
*Native [[Hawaii]]ans believe that life forms of the sea, air, and land were created from the unions of various entites of darkness and half-darkness. Humanity came about through the union of La'ila'i (the first woman), Ki'i (the first man), and Kane (a god).
*The [[Mayans]] believed that everything was created by Tepu and Gucamatz. Whatever they thought about came into being. Advanced beings were created so that the creators could be [[praise]]d. Advanced beings were first made of clay, then wood, but these did not work so they were wiped out in a [[flood]]. New beings were formed with the help of Mountain Lion, [[Coyote]], [[Parrot]], and Crow.

There are many other creation stories that are much longer and more complex.

==Creationists in the world==

As described in a 2011 IPSOS <ref>http://www.ipsos-na.com/download/pr.aspx?id=10670</ref> study.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!
! Creationist
! Evolutionist
! Not sure
|-
| [[Saudi Arabia]]
| 75%
| 7%
| 18%
|-
| [[Turkey]]
| 60%
| 19%
| 20%
|-
| [[Indonesia]]
| 57%
| 11%
| 32%
|-
| [[South Africa]]
| 56%
| 18%
| 26%
|-
| [[Brazil]]
| 47%
| 22%
| 31%
|-
| '''[[USA]]'''
| '''40%'''
| '''28%'''
| '''32%'''
|-
| [[Russia]]
| 34%
| 26%
| 40%
|-
| [[India]]
| 33%
| 39%
| 28%
|-
| [[Mexico]]
| 32%
| 34%
| 34%
|-
| [[Argentina]]
| 26%
| 37%
| 38%
|-
| [[Poland]]
| 25%
| 38%
| 37%
|-
| [[South Korea]]
| 24%
| 41%
| 35%
|-
| [[Canada]]
| 22%
| 45%
| 33%
|-
| [[Italy]]
| 21%
| 40%
| 39%
|-
| [[Australia]]
| 15%
| 51%
| 34%
|-
| [[Hungary]]
| 13%
| 55%
| 33%
|-
| [[Germany]]
| 12%
| 65%
| 23%
|-
| [[United Kingdom]]
| 12%
| 55%
| 34%
|-
| [[China]]
| 11%
| 64%
| 25%
|-
| [[Spain]]
| 11%
| 53%
| 37%
|-
| [[Japan]]
| 10%
| 60%
| 30%
|-
| [[Sweden]]
| 10%
| 68%
| 21%
|-
| [[France]]
| 09%
| 55%
| 36%
|-
| [[Belgium]]
| 08%
| 61%
| 31%
|-
| '''Total'''
| '''28%'''
| '''41%'''
| '''31%'''
|}

That may explain why Europe is such a mess at this time; however, this does not explain why Middle Eastern countries are in such poor conditions. Perhaps Christian creationism has a positive effect while Islamic creationism has a negative one.

== Biblical creation magazines and journals ==

''See also:'' [[Biblical creation journals]]

Some prominent biblical creation magazines and journals are given below:

*[[Creation magazine]]

*[[Journal of Creation]] - Peer reviewed

*[[Creation Research Society Quarterly Journal]] - peer reviewed

== See also ==
*[[Creationism]]
*[[Evolution]]
*[[Creation vs. Evolution Videos]]
*[[Essay: Sharing your Christian/creationist videos on the internet]]

==External Links==
*[http://creation.com/ Creation Ministries International]
*[http://creationrevolution.com/ Creation Revolution]
{{Creation vs. evolution}}

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

[[Category: Creation]]

Christian In Name Only

2012-03-20T23:32:54Z

Conlibtar: /* List of XINOs */

A '''Christian in Name Only'''<ref name="name">[http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/christians-name-only/ Christians in Name Only?]</ref> (abbreviated '''XINO'''), also called a '''cultural Christian''',<ref>[http://www.equip.org/perspectives/cultural-christian Are you a Cultural Christian?] from the Christian Research Institute</ref> '''nominal Christian''',<ref>[http://www.comprehensivechristian.com/The-Nominal-Christian-comprehensivechristian.com.asp The Nominal Christian]</ref> or more often, a [[Liberal Christianity|Liberal Christian]],is someone who professes to be a [[Christian]] in public, but has a considerable lack of knowledge about their faith, including not being able to name the 4 Gospels, the 10 Commandments or even that Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount. They also hold beliefs contrary to what Jesus did and taught. Such beliefs include considering such things as [[abortion]]s, [[special rights]] for [[homosexual]]s, and cohabitation between unmarried people to be morally acceptable.<ref name="name"/> They also might believe there are other ways to attain salvation rather than accepting [[Jesus]] as Savior. When challenged on their views with quotations from Scripture, Christians in name only, if they believe in God at all, often respond with [[Logical fallacy#Proof by assertion|unsupported assertions]] as to what God really wants.

== Opposition to the term==
<blockquote>
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Romans 3:21-26 NASB</blockquote>

This can be taken to mean that there is no such thing as a deal breaker. If you are a [[Paul|Paulian]] Christian and accept the book of Romans as canonical then the one true standard for receiving eternal salvation can be viewed as solely the result of the personal relationship with Jesus, something that cannot be measured from the outside by other people. The counterargument is that Christ said that we will know every tree by its fruit (Matthew 7:15-20<ref>[[Matthew_1-9_%28Translated%29#Chapter_7|Matthew ch. 7, Conservative Bible]]</ref>, Luke 6:43-45<ref>[[Luke_1-8_%28Translated%29#Chapter_6|Luke ch. 6, Conservative Bible]]</ref>).

==List of XINOs==
*[[Anders Breivik]]
*[[Bill Clinton]]
*[[Ted Haggard]]
*[[Eddie Long]]
*[[Barack Obama]]<ref>Barack Obama may be a special case. There is [[Barack Obama's Muslim Heritage|much evidence]] that he may be a [[Muslim]] who is practicing ''[[taqiyya]],'' an Islamic custom which allows a Muslim to conceal his true religion if the adherent [[deceit|feels it would be beneficial to do so.]]</ref>
*[[Albert Odulele]]
*[[Jimmy Carter]]
*[[Nancy Pelosi]]
*[[John Edwards]]
*[[Jeremiah Wright]]
*[[Al Sharpton]]
*[[Michael Moore]]
*[[Jesse Jackson]]
*[[Oprah Winfrey]]<ref> a liberal so-called "Christian" and a [[New-Age]]ist [[occult]]ist.</ref>
*[[Helen Keller]]<ref> Who was a rather radical Socialist, founding member of the anti-[[Christian]] [[ACLU]], and personal friend of [[Planned Parenthood]] founder [[Margaret Sanger]]. Most don't know this about her and only know about her from The Miracle Worker.</ref>
*[[Al Gore]]<ref> To be precise, he's the head of the Church of [[Global Warming]], that insists that man-made global warming is real, and you must give tithes to it.</ref>
*[[Harry Reid]]
*[[John Kerry]]
*[[Fred Phelps]]<ref>The leader of radical Hyper-Calvinist church that protests the funerals of soldiers killed on duty. Due to the indecent and Un-American nature of this activity, it likely he is a liberal and therefore Un-Christian.</ref>
*[[Adolf Hitler]]<ref>Despite being raised Roman Catholic and claiming that [[Jesus]] was his inspiration, Hitler was only using Christianity to gain favor with the German people. His true beliefs were based off of his [[social darwinism|social darwinistic]] views.</ref>
*Any practitioner of [[liberal Christianity]]
''(Add more)''

==See Also==
*[[Cafeteria Christianity]]
*[[Churchian]]
*[[Fast Food Christianity]]
*[[Fluffy bunny]]
*[[Liberal Christianity]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Christianity]]
[[Category:Religion]]

Christian In Name Only

2012-03-20T23:31:48Z

Talk:Michael Moore

2012-03-03T03:56:51Z

Conlibtar: /* Moore in NRA? */ new section

== Please note edits! ==

When making an edit, always note what it is exactly you did. Synopsis. Summary. Thank you! --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 17:48, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

:Would be happy to do that, but the thing is, the page seams to be locked like so many other pages here. Change i would have liked to make was to remove the ideological claim that all his documentaryes where "pseudo-documentaryes". I hope that SYSOP:s would read the articles and remove this kind of clearly opinionated sentences before locking the pages. [[User:Timppeli|Timppeli]] 18:48, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

:*Your ideas, Timppeli, is exactly why it is locked, because they are not accurate. Moore does not make conventional documentaries, and as such, it is a misnomer to label them that way. I was the one who locked it. This is not Wikipedia. We do not engage in "double-speak" or label clearly propagandist efforts as documentaries. What Moore does is mix polemics, propaganda and the documentary styles together. While clearly he includes factual data, he also extrapolates, adds conjecture that comes from dubious sources, and mixes it with his own rather extreme leftist POV, all without any disclaimers in the credits.--~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 19:52, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

::::Hahaha, Moore isn't an "extreme leftist", I am. He's about in the center between you and I. The middle of the road is the yellow line in the center, not the white one on the right hand side. Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn, they're lefties. Moore is a centrist, populist good ole boy who has a camera and a knack for making money. [[User:Human|Human]] 21:24, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

::Has there ever been a political documentary which the other side with difrent opinnions havent claimed to be propagandist? There is allready a critisism section on the article, and thats fine, but to outright label the documents pseudo-documentaryes is not neutral in any way. What by the way are my ideas? i happen to disagree Mr Moore on several things allso. [[User:Timppeli|Timppeli]] 19:59, 18 April 2007 (EDT)

::*Well, let us start with the fact he doesn't even label them "political documentaries". And I missed the "rule" that says we are neutral, would you point me to it? What I posted above is fact. Documentarians decry Moore, and don't respect him. But he is good at what he does, and highly successful. --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 05:18, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

:::Don't know where to start from... You seriously think that war in Irak, president Bush, gun controll and the the "war on terrorism" arent political issues? Ill just list some sites referring to Moores documentaryes as political documentaryes: [http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/multimedia/tp/aatpdocfilms.htm] [http://www.movie-vault.com/articles/DPVbuRTELEzZFOdb] [http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/147/report_display.asp] [http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/insideindies/infocus/truthorfaction/index.html] I really wonder how anyone could claim that his documentaryes arent political on nature, not atleast without an clear agenda to discredit him. What comes to neutrality of this site, how about some quates from the rules: " Do not post personal opinion on an encyclopedia entry." " Everything you post must be true and verifiable." So, i ask you, isn't labeling Michael Moores documentaryes as pseudo-documentaryes an opinnion that is mostly held by people who allso are against his political ideas? And there for against the rules. [[User:Timppeli|Timppeli]] 09:52, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

No. --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 09:57, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

:And now i am speechles. No arguments why your answer is no? I think this is clearly against the rules and no way of making an encyclopedia. [[User:Timppeli|Timppeli]] 10:07, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

::*You asked, I answered. This isn't Wikipedia, or a debating society. I don't engage editors in endless discussion, as there is no point to it. Try to free your mind from your experience at other wiki's. :-) --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 10:20, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

...I'm sorry, at what point exactly did you not only get to decide that Moore's films aren't documentaries but the right to be smug about it too? I can only find one definition that suggests a documentary is obligated to be unbiased toward one viewpoint, but what all the definitions I've found agree on is that documentary films basically source all the footage contained within them as either coming from previous recordings of the news or Cspan or whatnot, or coming from the directors filming, and all footage is nonfiction. In F911 f'rinstance, Moore shows footage of himself interviewing senators, and other footage he did not film, but all footage was, inarguable, non-fiction, since the events depicted did happen. Moore's commentary supposes links between events that may (very very very likely) not have happened at all, but the premises of his suppositiong come from the documented non-fiction sources. I have to imagine you'd be hard pressed to find a definition of "Documentary" that doesn't have that core of non-fiction (probably the reason why you provide none). For you, therefore, to contradict this definition in order to use terms like pseudo-documentary (so Bush didn't say "Bring em on"?) is, in fact, your insertion of opinion, and for you to dispute the definition of "Documentary" is equally unsourced. You are violating two of this sites "commandments."

As such, however, I realize that you will recieve no reprimand, no mention from a higher up, in fact you're probably already being considered for the Presidential medal of freedom. I don't imagine that my calm and rational explanation of what rules youve broken and how youve done it will even manage to convince you that you're wrong about a blessed thing, and will only serve to get me banned again for pointing out things the site does not want pointed out.

Also, Michael Moore is fat. This is a central complaint lobbed against him by most of his critics. It is unfair of the article not to acknowledge this. Please make mention of how fat Michael Moore is.--[[User:RexMundane|RexMundane]] 10:45, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

::::I forgot that part. Corrected: Moore is a centrist, populist, '''''fat''''' good ole boy who has a camera and a knack for making money. Man is he ever fat. [[User:Human|Human]] 21:24, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

:*Hmmmm, maybe your arguments are better suited here: [http://www.afi.com/] I do agree, however, that you have been fairly calm. --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 10:51, 19 April 2007 (EDT)
::What do you mean by that? The AFI considers Moore a documentatian. Thats what his academy award was for, isnt it?

::*Well, they also gave an award to Al Gore. After he was post-facto made a producer of the film, or whatever it was that was going to disqualify his appearing on stage. --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 21:26, 19 April 2007 (EDT)

:::Fine, whatever, but my point is that the films themselves is considered a documentary. Inventing a term like Pseudo-documentary to describe it evokes films like Spinal Tap and Best in Show which are entirely fictive. You can dispute his methods and his logic, and lord knows half the people here already dispute his motives, but every piece of footage in his films is non-fiction. Disproportionally distorted nonfiction, perhaps, but nonfiction the same. Look, come from the other side, what would have to be different about his films for you to concede that they are actually documentaries? It cant be bias, all documentaries have a point to make, social, political or otherwise, and it cant even be distortion since any presentation of facts is going to play up some over others, so what then?--[[User:RexMundane|RexMundane]] 11:08, 20 April 2007 (EDT)

:*I enjoyed several of his films, FYI. Roger and Me, I actually own. However, legitimate footage, edited and altered to depict events that never happened as he said, when he said they happened, well that is fiction. Your moral compass seems a bit off, and I would have it checked. A lie, by any other name, is still a lie, no? Gently, nicely, ''respectfully'', I tell you that the matter is now considered closed. --~ [[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 04:15, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

::I tell you that it is not because with your narrowing criteria you've defined away the entirety of documentary filmmaking. You may as well say that March of the Pengiuns "Lies" by pretending that Morgan Freeman's voice is present everywhere in the antarctic. Thats the image it projects after all, if you want to argue that the film is factual. Isn't that a lie? Doesn't that disqualify it as a documentary?
::While I concede that, as you say, Moore does have a problem with depicting events as happening differently than they may have, it is done only for the same reason any documentarian makes any film at all, which is to argue a point. If he's incorrect, even consciously so, that's as it may be, but he is not as a result making a work of fiction, or a pseudo-documentary. Something like "Death of a President" that uses actual footage of GWBush to pretend he was assassinated and filming people's reaction to it, that can be called a pseudo-documentary since its presenting a central point which is entirely fictive, and acknowledged so by the filmmakers. However, though you may disagree with the central thesis of, for instance, F911, that doesnt make the film a work of fiction.--[[User:RexMundane|RexMundane]] 10:45, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Okay, this page is completely biased. If you want this site to rival Wikipedia in any way, shape or form you should probably remove the quotes around "documentary" when referring to "Sicko" (which by the way has won praise from conservatives as well as liberals. Not to mention under the picture it is captioned "Michael Moore, ranting". Hardly unbiased at all as you claim this site to be. Nor is it trustworth. {{unsigned|RobWW}}

==Please Fix==

This "paragraph": "Before producing Moore" Also, why did the line about him being an outspoken critic of Bush get removed? It's actually something he is famous for, even among those who do not know his work. Or, should I say, infamous? Hey, you can even say "reviled" if you want. But I'd say, put it back in. [[User:Human|Human]] 14:13, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

== Are you kidding? ==

That picture is the dumbest thing I've ever seen, and to portray this as "just another image" is indulging in ridiculous, childish games. Please, if you even have the pretense of being "trustworthy" choose an image that looks like the person and not just catching them in an off-guard moment, or speaking, or eating, or whatever you choose to make people look silly. Otherwise, all you are doing is engaging in propaganda. [[User:Flippin|Flippin]] 17:20, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

*Well, I can see your request for Sysop is right on track! --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 20:18, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

::I uploaded a picture of Michael Moore that could ease the tension on this discussion page. The picture is at image:Michael-Moore.jpg --[[User:Element|Element]] 20:38, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

*Thank you, Element for the kindness and reasoned response/request! --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 20:41, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

yet another reason for me not be a Republican the book "Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man" by David T.Hardy and Jason Clarke sounds just a little childish, once again "Micheal Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man" nice
:duh, it's actually a parody of [[Al Franken]]'s literary contribution to civility in discourse, ''Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Stupid Idiot'' and Moore's own ingenious expose ''Stupid White Men''. [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 14:28, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

==Moore High School Photo==
[[Image:Mmoore.png|right|thumb|Michael Moore's high school yearbook photo.]]

He looks like a lovely young lady. Too bad about the way things worked out. [[User:Scorpio|Scorpio]] 10:43, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

== Why the second photo? ==

The article's kinda short, does it really necessitate a second photo? Also, the caption is subjective, since Ranting is kind of a POV term, and really we don't know when or where the photo was taken either. For all we know he's singing Carry On My Wayward Son. If the photo's going to be kept (in a, preferably, longer article if at all) the caption should either say when/where it was taken, or just say "Michael Moore in an unflattering pose because his mouth is open and that is funny, him being fat and all. Teh Lulz!!!11!"
--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 10:53, 15 May 2007 (EDT)

== Scare quotes and use of pseudo-documentary ==
I'm no fan of Michael Moore's, but using the quotes around "documentary" and writing "pseudo-documentary" in the article are needlessly pejorative. A documentary doesn't have to be purely factual, and it doesn't have to be have completely undisputed accuracy. People kibitzed about "Waco: Rules of Engagement" and about the nature facts presented in "March of the Penguins," but those are both obviously documentaries. Since you've already got a section in about factual disputes in his articles, why not clear out the stuff that takes the article from impartial to snide? [[User:Brainslug|Brainslug]] 11:50, 15 May 2007 (EDT)
: Michael Moore presented his "information" as definitive fact. This places him well within the bounds of reasonable scrutiny and criticism. Even minor inconsistencies (including information later validated) that he would not have been privy to are unacceptable. Placing documentary within quotations provides all the information required to illustrate the doubt cast on his claims. Conservapedia proclaims conciseness and this is an apt and just oppurtunity to provide us with some. Having an entire section devoted to "liberoganda" backpedalling and weak attempts to legitimize his controversial films would be a clear instance of bias. It would serve no purpose other than one-sided filler material. --[[User:Deuteronomy|Deuteronomy]] 11:38, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
::But then you're pre-emptively judging his next film Sicko without even knowing what it claims by putting the word Documentary in "Sarcastic quotes". Yes, he should be, and is, scrutinized for what he says, but so then is everything. As brainslug says, people will always claim that documentaries present inaccurate facts or interpretations, but whatever the results of such scrutinous challenges, this doesnt make them not documentaries. Its enough to say, as the article does, that people challenge his claims without having to invent a word like "pseudo-documentary" (a term which seems to apply to ficticious movies like Spinal Tap) to describe a movie that the site finds disagreeable.
::--[[User:RexMundane|Rex Mundane]] 11:48, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
:: In addition to what Rex said above, we already have a small paragraph in which he's accused of using deceit and so on. We might as well expand that. More facts are better than fewer facts; speaking in detail about his errors is better than insinuating without detail. [[User:Brainslug|Brainslug]] 11:53, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

== Default sort ==

Please add <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:Moore, Michael}}</nowiki> to the article before the categories. The article is locked. Thanks. [[User:HeartOfGold|<big>H</big>eart<big>O</big>f<big>G</big>old]][[User_talk:HeartOfGold|talk]] 02:32, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

*I did, but wish I knew why we do this...--[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 02:52, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

== POlitics requires a minimum of brains? ==
I can conclude from this that RobS knows NOTHING about politics, and has never met an actual politician. --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 22:19, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
:Be careful with your accusations. Andy once ran for office. [[User:Arjen|Arjen]] 22:35, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
::It's not an accusation, it's a simple statement. Categroizing Michael Moore as a "political person" is an insult to people who generally are informed, and are concerned about public policy, and public discourse. I'm not sure "satirist" would apply, and if so, not a very good one. "Comedian" might offend real comedians, too. Perhaps "film maker" or some such garbage. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:47, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
:::Political people can be buffoons, too. Sometimes it seems like a job requirement. OTOH, I guess Rush Limbaugh isn't listed as a "Political Person", either. But I get the impressing Moore '''is''' informed and concerned--he just happens to think Conservatives are doing a terrible job. Oh, and he's fat, so there's no point in listening to him. --[[User:Gulik3|Gulik3]] 22:55, 21 May 2007 (EDT)
::::Good point. Do we really want to ''elevate'' Limbaugh to a political person? OTOH, Al Franken is probably running for Senate; once he's a real candidate, he should qualify for awhile, unless he wins then he can enter the Pantheon with all our other failed icons. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:00, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

You guys want to see a real masterwork of deception, check out the efforts by the "editors" at WP who refuse to identify Moore as "left-wing" for fear that it may paint him in a negative fashion. This, despite Moore's own admission to being "left-wing". WP truly is a magical land where fantasy prevails over reality. A lot like Disneyland but without the fun. [[User:Scorpio|Scorpio]] 10:46, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

== See also ==
That whole section should be removed. Maybe if you have seen some of his movies you wouldn't say that it is all based on "junk science". Also why is there a criticism section but no praise? Since his movies have gotten much more praise than criticism [[User:Ttwashere|Ttwashere]] 20:28, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

*First, welcome to CP! I pasted a welcome template on your talk page (which now exists) and hope you will read the links provided.

: Second, I don't know who is "you", but I have indeed seen all of Moore's work. I would commend to you the posted reviews, not by people considered by anyone to be defenders of Conservative thought, for you to contemplate. In the real world, Moore hasn't gotten more professional praise than criticism. Quite the opposite. Here at CP, we do not strive for political correctness, and do not tolerate Liberal [[deceit]]. --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 20:33, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

:Ttwashere, I agree with TK. Liberal [[deceit]] is not tolerated and anyone here suggesting Moore is anything but a propragandist for Socialism, is deluding themselves. Moore is a liar. He uses the film medium to promote an agenda which is radical left-wing extremism. He distorts his information in his "documentaries" as well as any Nazi or Communist propagandist from the past. There are quite a few good sources for drawing this conclusion. Thank you. [[User:Scorpio|Scorpio]] 09:28, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

::I think Moore is just a greedy capitalist pig. Even limousine liberals need to be judged by thier works, moreso than the lies they advocate which they may or may not believe in themselves. The big probelm with deceit is, once a person gets well practiced in it, they become thier own biggest victim. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 13:29, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

:::Greed certainly does create its' own idealogy, that's for sure. [[User:Scorpio|Scorpio]] 17:24, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

*Rob, there was a "report", news item, last year I believe, or early in this one, where someone actually go hold of some of his (Moore's) financial information. It showed large sums sheltered in the Cayman's, and a rather large block of Haliburton stock! If you ever run across it, that would be a great addition to the article! --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 13:34, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

:*Excellant idea. For some reason Moore makes me think of [[Ken Ley]], there's a lot of similiarities between these two rich scam artists who prey on an unsuspecting public to line their own pockets. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 14:02, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Yes. Once at a Beverly Hills eatery, where the price of a sandwich with fries approaches what I had to spend weekly as a student for food, I was shocked to have someone point him out to me. He was in Armani, and certainly not wearing a truckers hat, and did indeed leave in his Liberal Limousine! --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 14:19, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

== Earnings ==

Why does the sentence under the section Earning says "Michael Moore's films have bilked the public worldwide in excess of $200,000,000.00." when the citation given states $168,070,886? Also, the usage of the word "bilk" is subjective. Even though his films are not proper "documentaries", it doesn't mean he defrauded the public. I'm removing the sentence. [[User:ATang|ATang]] 10:20, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

:(A) Asked and answered on the page; (B) the sentence specifically says "worldwide," the chart specifically cites "US Gross;" (C) the link provided specifically references the same language, idea, and concept. (D) the term "bilked" is commonly understood to mean defraud, cheat, swindle, thwart, frustrate, or hoax.

:Now, if you absolutely demand reputable and credible citations to support the claim, "Michael Moore's films have bilked the public worldwide in excess of $200,000,000.00," that certainly is no large demand, and we'd being only too willing to do so. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 11:44, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
::I asked essentially the same question (elsewhere) some time back so clearly it was confusing. I have now made a change to hopefully make the distinction more obvious. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:52, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

:The earnings was a gross oversight on my part (missed US and worldwide). The definition you gave for "bilk" doesn't justify its use - how did Moore cheat the public that money? Even though Moore provided a very one-sided, often slanderous, and sometimes factually inaccurate story, that doesn't mean he bilked the public of the money. It is a Hollywood movie, where people pay for entertainment (if the public decides to blindly trust it as fact... then that's really their fault). Saying Moore bilked the public money is like saying the new Transformers bilked the public money because it didn't follow the original cartoon, or saying Live Free or Die Hard cheated the public because of its misrepresentation of certain technologies prominently displayed (i.e. The hovering capabilities and weapons of the F-35). [[User:ATang|ATang]] 11:56, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
::Ah ha. You make the misrepresentation "how did Moore cheat the public that money?" The text does not say that. The text specifically says, "Michael Moore's films have bilked the public." Now let me please explain. Michael Moore's films are specifically inanimate objects, and not a person. Very recently, I made a bank deposit which included a counterfeit $20 bill. The $20 bill was confiscated, and I suffered the loss. It was not my intent to bilk the bank, and I was not prosecuted. But I personally was bilked out of $20--an inanimate object--not by the bank, and presumably not by the anonymous person who passed it to me who themselves likely did not know of its fraudulent origins. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:28, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

:::How did that semantic argument change my point? In fact, I listed two other 'films', which by the definition of whoever wrote the bilking sentence, bilked the public. The movies simply portrayed Moore's representation of the subject at hand, through the use of weasel words and sarcasm (as per his usual style). My original objection to the sentence is still that "the movie did not bilk the public of their money" because it's not a proper documentary. His failure to portray both sides of the story in Sicko (as an example) is used to convey Moore's viewpoint on the US Healthcare system. As he's the director, he has every prerogative to film his movies in whatever way he wants.
:::I guess my point boils down to the question "If a movie is biased, is any money made because of it considered to be <nowiki>'bilked'</nowiki>?" My answer is no. [[User:ATang|ATang]] 13:06, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

::::Oh, so as the director, "he has every prerogative to film his movies in whatever way he wants" extends to outright lies, slander, smear, and fraud? And this is "art," one would suppose? Hmmph, yah right. I'm an artist, too. And as an artist, I have every prerogative to present the facts in whatever way I want. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:58, 30 July 2007 (EDT)

:::::An artist can present information in whatever way he wants, because the work is from the artist's point of view! You can't say the impressionist movement is "false" because it's not a real photographic depiction of objects, because that's not what the artists were trying to do! It is the job of the audience of determine whether it is fact or not. You're almost saying that The Day After Tomorrow is bilking the public money by presenting lies and slander. It is a motion picture that emphasizes on drama, and only a fool would start hoarding gasoline and heating equipment after seeing that movie. Moore's film is no different - he had to structure his film in a way that maximizes profit while conveying his viewpoints across to the audience. Dramatization (or slander/lies, one could say) is just an instrument used in a movie. Moore was trying to raise questions using his films, and that's exactly what he has done. Many of the points he raised was questionable, but, like I stated so many times before, he can write whatever he wants about whatever he wants - it's all fair game in Hollywood.

:::::Even though most movies try to be factually accurate, certain creative liberties must exist - whether it is scenes (and facts) omitted, facts distorted, or anything else. (And mind you, YOU consider that "outright lies, slander, smear and fraud", but some do not - certainly not Moore.)

:::::And let's not talk about "art" - I tried to avoid it earlier. I don't have too much respect for it so... yes, I do not expect "facts" in art. Do you believe that Jesus and his disciples actually sat in the exact order as depicted in The Last Supper by Da Vinci?[[User:ATang|ATang]] 11:44, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

::::::''"maximizes profit"''
::::::As Michael Moore's blood brother Gordon Gekko declared, "Greed is Good." [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:06, 1 August 2007 (EDT)

:::::::You seem to have a habit of dismissing most of my points and picking on a particular phrase that I used. Is that normal practice in your debates? Or should I consider that you concede the points I raised about artistic liberties in Hollywood?
:::::::The basis of modern economics is based on each person's desire to increase their own wealth. The theory goes on to state that actions to benefit oneself, in a free market, can often result in benefit in others (as seen in basic examples of trade). Whether you classify that as "greed" is your problem. Would you say Warren Buffett is "greedy" throughout his career? Or Bill Gates?
:::::::I'm sorry but if there's a further lack of rational objections (read: intellectual response), I'm going to replace the word "bilk" in the article. "Bilk" includes a negative connotation that is subjective to the author, and its inclusion creates a bias in the article (not that you guys worry about it here in Conservapedia). [[User:ATang|ATang]] 10:57, 2 August 2007 (EDT)
::::::::using "artistic" and "Hollywood" in the same sentence is kinda oxymoronic, isn't it?
:::::::::''The basis of modern economics is based on each person's desire to increase their own wealth.''
::::::::IOW, self interest, or greed. This was [[Cain]]'s problem, was it not, when he murdered [[Abel]]. So this idea is hardly "modern."
::::::::So you're argument is that commiting fraud & slander somehow benefits the free market and furthers economic progress. I may take a different view, of course, beleiving that to stop such things is why we have police, courts, and regulation. And of course morality cannot be legislated, so there is also a question of self-policing ethical standards. You seem to be arguing that slander & fraud somehow can be tolerated as artistic (or as Moore might argue journalistic) license. This is all debating what the meaning of is "is." That's fine with me, let's continue debating what the meaning of "bilked" is then, since there's a big gapping hole whether Moore's life's opus is "art" or "journalism." Right now, there seems to be a wide general concensus it is "schlock." [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 12:32, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

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Haha "artistic" and Hollywood! Now I agree that many of the junk that is regurgitated by Hollywood could hardly be seen as "artistic", but it is a medium for conveyance of ideas, and it fits my broad definition of "art". (Not that I care for "art")

I didn't mention that fraud and slander "benefits the free market". I wanted to state that Moore's movies merely fits within the constraints of the free market - benefit is subjective. I don't think that increasing a person's own wealth is greed - I have a job right now, and I need the money to pay for tuition. My parents have jobs to put food on the table - is that greed? When Cain murdered Abel, he went outside the constraints of the free market - and that's wrong. That's why there are, as you stated, police, courts and regulations to punish those who don't play by the rules of the free market.

Alright, to sum up - you believe that Moore is using lies and misinformation in the production of movies; I believe that he stretches the truth and use convenient omissions to bring across his point. You believe that he did his movies to bilk the public (with the intention of monetary gains, I think?); I believe that it is his prerogative to create a movie about anything - truth or fiction - in Hollywood (and yes, he wants money, but also to bring across his point as a far-left liberal). We're obviously not going to resolve this, and if I change the word it'll just come down to an edit war. How about a compromise? Something along the lines of "Moore's films have grossed over x dollars worldwide. Some critics have ..." <insert criticism & citation here>.

See, even when I write that down it becomes obvious that there is no way the original statement can stay in an encyclopedia article. Cite it, or cut it. Even citations that says he "bilked" the money would be an opinion piece, which is not acceptable in Conservapedia. Unless you find some sort of official enquiry that determined Moore cheated the public the money, the world "bilk" has no place in the article.
[[User:ATang|ATang]] 12:38, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

:''Unless you find some sort of official enquiry that determined Moore cheated the public''
:Again, you've returned to the fiction that the entry states Michael Moore, a person, "bilked" the public. It explicit does not. It states an inanimate object "Michael Moore's films" have bilked the public. What could me more clear? [[User:RobS|Rob Smith]] 16:19, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

::I fail to see the distinction, and I think you're just being a nitpicker by focusing on an insignificant detail. If a person created an inanimate object which "bilked" the public, the author is held responsible. Even if you insist, the sentence could be reworded with "Moore's films", and you've still not addressed my points. This further proves that you're unwilling, or unable, to answer my concerns. [[User:ATang|ATang]] 10:44, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

*Per our rules, the CP Guidelines, Admin decisions on such matters are final, as they are the ones who set policy. Your objections, ATang, have been seriously considered and noted. --[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]] 01:53, 4 August 2007 (EDT)

:: May I ask what the serious consideration entails? Is the final decision that the article stays as it is? [[User:ATang|ATang]] 10:44, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

== Intro edit ==

I edited the intro to reflect our (or at least my) quest for accuracy.

The "Clinton was a pretty good president for a Republican" quote appears to be a myth, joke, or maybe it's simply inaccurate: Googling for the phrase (with quotation marks) gives FOUR sites: Brainyquote, Conservapedia, The Huffington Post (but merely because a reader's comment there used it) and a blog entry that showcases this article and CP (in a not quite positive light). So I removed it.

The second quote was fairly easy to source properly (and I'm puzzled why it hasn't been done so before). I expanded it to properly reflect his full reply - it shows better how he thinks of the US as a whole.

I also rephrased the lead-in since it sounded too much like a cheap shot and less like actual information. Also, the claim that his views can be best summed up with 1-2 carefully selected and cropped quotes (especially with one of the quotes being apparently fabricated) sounds dubious in itself. --[[User:MilesM|MilesM]] 12:41, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

==Wikipedia==
Why is there a whole section on a Wikipedia controversy that is only peripherally related to Michael Moore? [[User:Daphnea|Daphnea]] 14:11, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

== Propaganda? ==

In the intro, the line "Moore's films and television programs represent some of the most egregious examples of deceitful liberal propaganda in contemporary American political discourse". This must surely be original research, and it is not sourced. Seems like scaretalk, should we remove this? I have seen some of his works and while I do not agree on all of his views I find he does make rather good points.

== Moore in NRA? ==

Are you sure about this? It doesn't make sense that a liberal like Michael Moore would be in an organization that supports the right to bear arms.--[[User:Conlibtar|Conlibtar]] 22:56, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Christian In Name Only

2012-03-03T03:54:12Z

Conlibtar: /* List of XINOs */

A '''Christian in Name Only'''<ref name="name">[http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/christians-name-only/ Christians in Name Only?]</ref> (abbreviated '''XINO'''), also called a '''cultural Christian''',<ref>[http://www.equip.org/perspectives/cultural-christian Are you a Cultural Christian?] from the Christian Research Institute</ref> '''nominal Christian''',<ref>[http://www.comprehensivechristian.com/The-Nominal-Christian-comprehensivechristian.com.asp The Nominal Christian]</ref> or more often, a [[Liberal Christianity|Liberal Christian]],is someone who professes to be a [[Christian]] in public, but has a considerable lack of knowledge about their faith, including not being able to name the 4 Gospels, the 10 Commandments or even that Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount. They also hold beliefs contrary to what Jesus did and taught. Such beliefs include considering such things as [[abortion]]s, [[special rights]] for [[homosexual]]s, and cohabitation between unmarried people to be morally acceptable.<ref name="name"/> They also might believe there are other ways to attain salvation rather than accepting [[Jesus]] as Savior. When challenged on their views with quotations from Scripture, Christians in name only, if they believe in God at all, often respond with [[Logical fallacy#Proof by assertion|unsupported assertions]] as to what God really wants.

== Opposition to the term==
<blockquote>
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Romans 3:21-26 NASB</blockquote>

This can be taken to mean that there is no such thing as a deal breaker. If you are a [[Paul|Paulian]] Christian and accept the book of Romans as canonical then the one true standard for receiving eternal salvation can be viewed as solely the result of the personal relationship with Jesus, something that cannot be measured from the outside by other people. The counterargument is that Christ said that we will know every tree by its fruit (Matthew 7:15-20<ref>[[Matthew_1-9_%28Translated%29#Chapter_7|Matthew ch. 7, Conservative Bible]]</ref>, Luke 6:43-45<ref>[[Luke_1-8_%28Translated%29#Chapter_6|Luke ch. 6, Conservative Bible]]</ref>).

==List of XINOs==
*[[Anders Breivik]]
*[[Bill Clinton]]
*[[Ted Haggard]]
*[[Eddie Long]]
*[[Barack Obama]]<ref>Barack Obama may be a special case. There is [[Barack Obama's Muslim Heritage|much evidence]] that he may be a [[Muslim]] who is practicing ''[[taqiyya]],'' an Islamic custom which allows a Muslim to conceal his true religion if the adherent [[deceit|feels it would be beneficial to do so.]]</ref>
*[[Albert Odulele]]
*[[Jimmy Carter]]
*[[Nancy Pelosi]]
*[[John Edwards]]
*[[Jeremiah Wright]]
*[[Al Sharpton]]
*[[Michael Moore]]
*[[Jesse Jackson]]
*[[Oprah Winfrey]]<ref> a liberal so-called "Christian" and a [[New-Age]]ist [[occult]]ist.</ref>
*[[Helen Keller]]<ref> Who was a rather radical Socialist, founding member of the anti-[[Christian]] [[ACLU]], and personal friend of [[Planned Parenthood]] founder [[Margaret Sanger]]. Most don't know this about her and only know about her from The Miracle Worker.</ref>
*[[Al Gore]]<ref> To be precise, he's the head of the Church of [[Global Warming]], that insists that man-made global warming is real, and you must give tithes to it.</ref>
*[[Harry Reid]]
*[[John Kerry]]
*[[Fred Phelps]]<ref>The leader of radical Hyper-Calvinist church that protests the funerals of soldiers killed on duty. Due to the indecent and Un-American nature of this activity, it likely he is a liberal and therefore Un-Christian.</ref>
*Any practitioner of [[liberal Christianity]]
''(Add more)''

==See Also==
*[[Cafeteria Christianity]]
*[[Churchian]]
*[[Fast Food Christianity]]
*[[Fluffy bunny]]
*[[Liberal Christianity]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Christianity]]
[[Category:Religion]]

Christian In Name Only

2012-03-03T03:51:17Z

Conlibtar: /* List of XINOs */

A '''Christian in Name Only'''<ref name="name">[http://www.ucg.org/doctrinal-beliefs/christians-name-only/ Christians in Name Only?]</ref> (abbreviated '''XINO'''), also called a '''cultural Christian''',<ref>[http://www.equip.org/perspectives/cultural-christian Are you a Cultural Christian?] from the Christian Research Institute</ref> '''nominal Christian''',<ref>[http://www.comprehensivechristian.com/The-Nominal-Christian-comprehensivechristian.com.asp The Nominal Christian]</ref> or more often, a [[Liberal Christianity|Liberal Christian]],is someone who professes to be a [[Christian]] in public, but has a considerable lack of knowledge about their faith, including not being able to name the 4 Gospels, the 10 Commandments or even that Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount. They also hold beliefs contrary to what Jesus did and taught. Such beliefs include considering such things as [[abortion]]s, [[special rights]] for [[homosexual]]s, and cohabitation between unmarried people to be morally acceptable.<ref name="name"/> They also might believe there are other ways to attain salvation rather than accepting [[Jesus]] as Savior. When challenged on their views with quotations from Scripture, Christians in name only, if they believe in God at all, often respond with [[Logical fallacy#Proof by assertion|unsupported assertions]] as to what God really wants.

== Opposition to the term==
<blockquote>
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25 whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26 for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Romans 3:21-26 NASB</blockquote>

This can be taken to mean that there is no such thing as a deal breaker. If you are a [[Paul|Paulian]] Christian and accept the book of Romans as canonical then the one true standard for receiving eternal salvation can be viewed as solely the result of the personal relationship with Jesus, something that cannot be measured from the outside by other people. The counterargument is that Christ said that we will know every tree by its fruit (Matthew 7:15-20<ref>[[Matthew_1-9_%28Translated%29#Chapter_7|Matthew ch. 7, Conservative Bible]]</ref>, Luke 6:43-45<ref>[[Luke_1-8_%28Translated%29#Chapter_6|Luke ch. 6, Conservative Bible]]</ref>).

==List of XINOs==
*[[Anders Breivik]]
*[[Bill Clinton]]
*[[Ted Haggard]]
*[[Eddie Long]]
*[[Barack Obama]]<ref>Barack Obama may be a special case. There is [[Barack Obama's Muslim Heritage|much evidence]] that he may be a [[Muslim]] who is practicing ''[[taqiyya]],'' an Islamic custom which allows a Muslim to conceal his true religion if the adherent [[deceit|feels it would be beneficial to do so.]]</ref>
*[[Albert Odulele]]
*[[Jimmy Carter]]
*[[Nancy Pelosi]]
*[[John Edwards]]
*[[Jeremiah Wright]]
*[[Al Sharpton]]
*[[Michael Moore]]
*[[Jesse Jackson]]
*[[Oprah Winfrey]]<ref> a liberal so-called "Christian" and a [[New-Age]]ist [[occult]]ist.</ref>
*[[Helen Keller]]<ref> Who was a rather radical Socialist, founding member of the anti-[[Christian]] [[ACLU]], and personal friend of [[Planned Parenthood]] founder [[Margaret Sanger]]. Most don't know this about her and only know about her from The Miracle Worker.</ref>
*[[Al Gore]]<ref> To be precise, he's the head of the Church of [[Global Warming]], that insists that man-made global warming is real, and you must give tithes to it.</ref>
*[[Harry Reid]]
*[[John Kerry]]
*[[Fred Phelps]]
*Any practitioner of [[liberal Christianity]]
''(Add more)''

==See Also==
*[[Cafeteria Christianity]]
*[[Churchian]]
*[[Fast Food Christianity]]
*[[Fluffy bunny]]
*[[Liberal Christianity]]

==References==
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[[Category:Christianity]]
[[Category:Religion]]

Liberal Hatred

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'''Liberal Hatred''' is an idea or thing that [[liberal]]s hold in contempt or great disdain. Unlike [[conservatives]] who keep calm despite their disagreement with their opposition; liberals with often resort to cruel and dirty tactics to take down their opponents. This hatred is typically irrational, malicious and often leads to liberal derangement.

==Examples==

*Liberals often hate [[Conservatives]] to the point of derangement. An example of this would be [[Dan Savage]] who stated in an interview with [[Bill Maher]] that he wish "they [the Republicans] were all f****n dead." <ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t5iWp9fDiU</ref> He also ran a distasteful compaign to get [[Rick Santorum]]'s name redefined as a crude sex term and attempted to infect conservative [[Gary Bauer]]'s staff with influenza. <ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOtpzg7LQQ</ref>
*Liberals often hate religion in general, unless it is a religion that agrees with their ideology; such as [[Wicca]], [[New Age]], [[Islam]], [[Unitarian Universalism]], or [[Secular Humanism]].
*Liberals hate intelligent Christian vloggers such as [[Shockofgod]], [[Nephilimfree]], and [[PPsimmons]].
*Liberals hate free thinking Christians; such as [[Vox Day]] or [[Ray Comfort]], who prove the absurdity of [[atheism]] and [[liberalism]].
*Liberals hate conservative vloggers. An example of this would be the liberal [[YouTube]] [[atheist]] [[Thunderf00t]], who attacked Youtube vlogger [[Lee Doren]] by using [[ad hominem]] attacks. <ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xCFe2DEx88</ref>

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

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Liberal Obsession

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'''Liberal Hatred''' is an idea or thing that [[liberal]]s hold in contempt or great disdain. Unlike [[conservatives]] who keep calm, despite disagreement with their opposition; liberals with often resort to cruel and dirty tactics to take down their opponents. This hatred is typically irrational, malicious and often leads to liberal derangement.

==Examples==

*Liberals often hate [[Conservatives]] to the point of derangement. An example of this would be [[Dan Savage]] who stated in an interview with [[Bill Maher]] that he wish "they [the Republicans] were all f****n dead." <ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t5iWp9fDiU</ref> He also ran a distasteful compaign to get [[Rick Santorum]]'s name redefined as a crude sex term and attempted to infect conservative [[Gary Bauer]]'s staff with influenza. <ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOtpzg7LQQ</ref>
*Liberals often hate religion in general, unless it is a religion that agrees with their ideology; such as [[Wicca]], [[New Age]], [[Islam]], [[Unitarian Universalism]], or [[Secular Humanism]].
*Liberals hate intelligent vlogger apologists such as [[Shockofgod]], [[Nephilimfree]], and [[PPsimmons]].
*Liberals hate free thinking Christians; such as [[Vox Day]] or [[Ray Comfort]], who prove the absurdity of [[atheism]].

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Liberal Obsession

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A '''liberal obsession''' is an idea or an ideal which [[liberal]]s obsess over. These obsessions can range from political, to environmental, or even personal. They are almost always groundless, irrational and contradictory to facts and evidence. These obsessions can lead, if enough pressure is applied, to [[liberal creep]] as [[liberals]] push their false ideals even further.

==Examples==

*Obsession over celebrities or [[Hollywood values|Hollywood]]
*Obsession on censorship of [[school prayer]]
*Obsession on censorship of [[Christianity]]
*Obsession on censorship of [[Intelligent Design]] and [[Creation Science]]
*Obsessing over [[Affirmative Action]]
*Obsessing over [[Global Warming]]
*Obsession on smearing [[conservatives]]
*Obsession over [[gun control]]
*Obsession over [[political correctness]]
*Obsession over rights for [[terrorists]]
*Obsession over the [[homosexual agenda]]
*Obsession over the plight of Palestinians
*Obsession over [[George W. Bush]]
*Obsession over [[Conservapedia]]
*Obsession over supporting the fraud [[Richard Dawkins]]
*Obsession over [[Fox News]]
*Obsession over [[Sarah Palin]]
*Obsession over [[Barack Obama]]
*Obsession over their own hatred of [[Conservatives]] to the point of derangement. An example of this would be [[Dan Savage]] who stated in an interview with [[Bill Maher]] that he wish "they [the Republicans] were all f****n dead." <ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t5iWp9fDiU</ref> He also ran a distasteful compaign to get [[Rick Santorum]]'s name redefined as a crude sex term and attempted to infect conservative [[Gary Bauer]]'s staff with influenza. <ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTOtpzg7LQQ</ref>

==References==
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==See Also==
* [[Liberals]]
* [[Deceit]]

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[[Category:Liberals]]