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User talk:HenryS

2008-09-03T16:06:56Z

EPauper: /* Request */ new section

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==Likely vandal==

Hi Henry. [[User:NNSTK17]] seems to be a vandal. Please look at his edit history. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 18:53, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks. Blocked. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 19:08, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
::Thanks :) -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 19:14, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

==Unblock reason==

LOL @ ''18:44, 16 July 2008 HenryS (Talk | contribs | block) unblocked AKjeldsen (Talk | contribs) ‎ (User is begging and whining to be unblocked. )'' --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 21:18, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

== [[Hippocratic Oath]] ==

Henry, Why did you revert my edit to [[Oath of Hippocrates]]?
# The entire section is about people who are ''critical'' of the oath. It makes sense to call the section "Criticism" instead of the watered down "Views".
# "'''Some''' Christian doctors '''may not like''' this oath" — That's just deliberately weak liberal claptrap. Do you really believe that a ''devout'' Christian can "solemnly swear to Apollo and Asclepius" — [[pagan]] Roman Gods?! What happened to "Thou shalt have no other Gods before Me?" My edit just removed the liberal, cultural-relativist POV from that sentence. Look at the history, where [[Deborah]] has been watering it down and watering it down ever since the article was created.
# Other than that, I just made some links to other articles — which you also reverted.
Can I have your permission to edit the article again for these reasons?
[[User:GeorgeM|GeorgeM]] 11:45, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
:Okay. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 18:34, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

== Danish Writers Group ==

Hi, what's that group? Can I take part in it? I'm not a Dane, but I'm a Honorary Dane. [[User:Cacatio|Cacatio]] 18:33, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
:The DWG writes Danish content for the encyclopedia. It is a sort of "wikiproject" but more sophisticated. Yes, please do take part, all the other members are lazy and I am too busy being important to be bothered to write content. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 18:36, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

== Please unlock my page ==

From recent edits I see your up and about, could you please unlock my user page? Thanx

[[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 20:14, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

תודה רבה

[[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 20:17, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

== Ames ==

He's way too smart for this mundane ...
:Then why, why was he asking me to unblock him? [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 21:31, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

==The Quiet One==

Henry, you've managed to keep such a low profile that I actually had to look you up to see whether you were an admin. ;-) We need to get together more. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 21:35, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
:Why do you keep getting all the awards? Seriously, the judging must be flawed. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 21:44, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

::ROTFL! You don't want this kind of award. :P --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 21:54, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

I noticed your revert of my user talk page. Thank you, Henry. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 22:36, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
:Sure, I didn't think you would want ''that'' there. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 22:43, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

== Request ==

Could you please protect the [[Multiplication]] page? I fear it might become the target of Liberal vandals, and it is quite good as it is now, don't you agree? Sure, discuss the protection with the Mathematics sub-project leader, Ed Poor. --[[User:EPauper|EPauper]] 12:06, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Emotional gambling

2008-09-03T15:38:09Z

EPauper: /* Riots */

== Riots ==

I don't know the original poster's intentions, but I tend to agree with him. Supporters of sports teams often cause riots or vandalize cities. This is particularly true when the emotional stakes are very high. "Losing the gamble", that is, the supported team losing an important game, often leads to frustration, desperation, need for revenge by the supporters, and often wrong actions like rioting. If this is not the result of ''emotional gambling'', what is? --[[User:EPauper|EPauper]] 11:04, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

: Good point in that context. Perhaps you could explain it that way on the content page? I wouldn't include riots that result from a genuine sense of injustice, however, such race riots after the verdict in the beating of Rodney King.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 11:08, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

:: I do distinctly remember reading about a riot that occured in New York City after the Yankees lost to the Red Sox, should I go find it and add a link? [[User:JohnI|JohnI]] 11:12, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

:::Riots, or at least vandalism, are actually common for ''winning'' teams fans as they go on celebratory sprees. [[User:MichaelR|MichaelR]] 11:25, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

::::That is too related to ''emotional gambling''. "Winning the gamble" leads to an unjustified and dangerous euphory, that often leads to those over-the-top celebrations. Unfortunately, outside of the U.S. it is often frustration for a lost game that leads to acts of violence or hooliganism, both in Eastern or Southern Europe and South America. --[[User:EPauper|EPauper]] 11:38, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Essay:Rules of Chivalry for Students

2008-09-03T15:33:41Z

EPauper: /* Essay? */

At first I thought this might be parody, then I saw who created it... now I think perhaps it's not that bad a page after all. [[User:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]] 20:22, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
:Why would you think it was parody? [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 20:23, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
::Because it's typical of liberals to accuse conservatives of being outdated, or of supporting gender inequality. If it looks like us as seen by them, it may be written by them. But I know Aschlafly is no parodist, so I can trust this. [[User:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]] 20:56, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
:This is no parody. My class of 56 teenagers, boys and girls, starts Thursday. Unlike my prior classes, this one is going to develop a bit of [[chivalry]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 20:26, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
::Aschlafly, might I ask where you teach? I more than somewhat like the articles I see here. I did not know as much about Barack Obama untill I read that article on him,and am rather impressed by the depth of multiple other articles. [[User:JohnI|JohnI]] 20:31, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

::: I teach in [[New Jersey]]. I don't use any school. Thanks for your comments, if sincere, and regardless Godspeed to you.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 20:34, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

::::As a thought, it would be interesting to ask the students in your pending class to contribute a few entries themselves. I'm sure most of us are not teen-age students, so it would be interesting to get their direct perspective on what they'd consider "chivalrous". --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 21:23, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

==Sports==
What does attending boys' sporting events have to do with chivalry? [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 20:35, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

:It is supportive of your classmates.[[User:ErstBlenchPoet|ErstBlenchPoet]] 20:37, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
::I just don't see that as fitting in. Lets get more opinions. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 20:38, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

:::Because they are more easily injured, girls should not play most sports (except the explicitly feminine ones such as gymnastics or dance). Therefore it is appropriate for them to cheer on the sidelines and provide support.[[User:ErstBlenchPoet|ErstBlenchPoet]] 20:40, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::Ah, I see. Welcome back, ErstBlenchPoet. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 20:46, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
::::I do somewhat object to that, I have seen quite a couple women and girls playing sports, including what you would consider not to be "explictily feminine ones", and while I have seen some of them get injured, the amount seemed about even to the men. I believe that both genders can cheer at athletic events, as below. [[User:JohnI|JohnI]] 20:45, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
::::I agree that attending sports events is supportive however I dont think it specifically applies to girls as such. More the whole class should get out and cheer each other on. [[User:ClarkeD|ClarkeD]] 20:42, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::I removed it per consensus. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 20:46, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
::::::How about a "both" section? It would be a good place for listing things like being supportive of classmates' endeavors. I also think the "no cursing" should be #1. [[User:Human|Human]] 21:06, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::::I agree with that idea. Another one I think should be in "both" would be proper dress. [[User:JohnI|JohnI]] 21:55, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

==hat doffing==
(unindent) Would removing one's hat in the presence of a lady be considered anachronistic? While a hat is no longer a major part of adult attire, many teenagers wear baseball caps and the like. --[[User:Benp|Benp]] 20:47, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
:I was brought up to not wear hats inside period. [[User:ClarkeD|ClarkeD]] 20:49, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

I can't believe my entry was removed. I am from Belgium and here most girls curtsey, and all are taught to! I can't believe that it is considered anachronistic in America! I hope the other Europeans here agree with me. --[[User:HPoirot|HPoirot]] 20:52, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
:I never saw that in Brussles. But then again, my eyes were only for chocolate. ;-) Seriously, your teens curtsey for someone other than royalty?--[[User:MHayes|MHayes]] 21:09, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
::And how often did you see men bow? Good manners are fading, but I guarantee you that every girl learns to curtsey here. --[[User:HPoirot|HPoirot]] 21:18, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

::: I don't know. Seems far-fetched, HPoirot. It hasn't been seen in the U.S. for many decades.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:31, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
::::You are the teacher and I do not want you to teach wrong manners. Still, I can only feel sad that the U.S. have gone so far. All the world admires and takes example from the U.S., but also imports most of your uses and manners, including some which are questionable. Good luck for your class though, teaching chivalry to students is an admirable task. --[[User:HPoirot|HPoirot]] 21:39, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

==Complementing people==
why should complementing people be reserved as something boys do for girls. *everyone* especially young teens trying to find their path in this world, can benefit from sharp, insightful (not empty) complements. "I really like your ideas on that last question". "Your writing style is impressive". and "I find that you have wonderful taste in literature, would you recommend something to me". "golly sally you are sure' perty" seems like something from the 1950's tv reality. We can have our well educated kids do far better than that! I try to find one really genuine thing to say about a person I work with each day. And when I can, I try to make it about them, not just what they are wearing, or things they cant change like how pretty they look.--[[User:MHayes|MHayes]] 21:07, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

:Nicely said. A sincere compliment on what someone does (which we can change with every choice we make) goes a long way to building a good self-image. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 21:20, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

:: Chivalry emphasizes complimenting females. They appreciate it more than males do. In fact, a male can find a compliment to be patronizing or insincere.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:24, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

:::I'd think a female would find an insincere or patronizing "compliment" just as offensive. You're right about chivalry being oriented about the manners of men in their treatment of women, though. It just seems a shame to pass on an opportunity to teach both genders in a 21st century class about courtesy, manners and respect without it depending so much on which gender one belongs to. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 21:31, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

::::(edit conflict) That is just wrong, Andy. A complement is important to all people. Especially people who are strong, who are intelligent, and who want to be important community leaders. Boys take and give complements every day and are better for it. perhaps you mean to say "flattery" where it isn't a complement about something someone does well, but just empty rhetoric about how pretty they are. Are you truly sitting here saying that you, a man, do not complement your students, and if you do, they boys only think it is hollow or patronizing? Teachers teach by pointing out the best in each thing they say, and then trying to help make other aspects as good. Teachers teach by saying "you have really improved in your essay writing (and it does not matter if its Jane or John), but you still need to work on your math skills". Teachers teach by giving grades that do not just have letters, but well explained reasons for why they were given that grade which *necessarily* provides things they student does well, not just things he or she does poorly. --[[User:MHayes|MHayes]] 21:33, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

==Dresses==

I believe it should be mentioned that wearing a dress is preferable for a girl seeing how it is more traditional and it establishes set gender roles. Pants were originally designed to be worn exclusively by men and were worn exclusively until the Feminist movement in the 60's. -- [[User:Jose83|Jose83]]

Girls

1. Put your superior social skills to good use by welcoming others.
2. Do not attempt to embarrass a boy, as in trying to beat him in arm-wrestling or bragging that you did better on a test.
3. Avoid excessive gossip.
4. Dress modestly, not provocatively or suggestively. A dress is preferable.
5. Avoid profanity.

-- [[User:Jose83|Jose83]]
:Didn't you learn anything since your last parody block? [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 21:28, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

::That was parody, but given that there are essays like [[Essay:Women wearing pants]] written by sysops it's not that far a stretch. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 21:37, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Please focus your attention on the writing, not the writer. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 09:35, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

== Rules for both genders ==

Would it be appropriate to redivide this with one section for rules which apply to both genders (e.g. good manners, avoid profanity, avoid gossip), then the sections on ruled for boys and girls? I think that many of the rules should apply equally to boys & girls, although there are a few which are more specific. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 09:30, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

==Equal==

Boys and girls are not 'equal' - in things like strength, for instance - so it's unlikely a boy would lower himself by bragging the way sideways suggested.

We have separate do's and dont's for boys and girls because of their inherent differences. If you want to argue about whether such differences exist (or are socially conditioned), start a debate page - don't make ideological edits. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 09:33, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:How was it an ideological edit? It was an edit related to chivalry. Wouldn't you agree that a boy bragging about beating a girl is decidedly unchivalrous? I have certainly encountered this sort of bragging, and do consider it unchivalrous, for the very reason that there is a difference in strength and aptitude, which is why I believe it should be acknowledged as a rule of chivalry. The reason that ''most'' boys would not lower themselves to this kind of bragging is precisely because they consider it unchivalrous. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 09:40, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

== Essay? ==

Regarding NewCrusader's concern that this might be a parody, well, this is no essay at all. An essay is a ''written composition of moderate length exploring a particular issue or subject''. What we have here is just an enumeration of "guidelines".
Perhaps it would be better without the "Essay", just "Rules of Chivalry for Students," under a new category: Conservative guidelines or something like that. --[[User:CBlake|CBlake]] 11:17, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:I'd point out that '''Essay:''' as a ''wiki namespace'' is not necessarily the same as ''essay'' in the dictionary. --[[User:EPauper|EPauper]] 11:21, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

::From that point of view, obviously. --[[User:CBlake|CBlake]] 11:30, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

:: And I'll point out that "Essay" is not actually a namespace on Conservapedia! This page (not the talk page, of course) is in mainspace. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:31, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Oh, point taken! I thought both Essay: and Debate: were separate namespaces. --[[User:EPauper|EPauper]] 11:33, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Essay:Rules of Chivalry for Students

2008-09-03T15:21:42Z

EPauper: /* Essay? */

Emotional gambling

2008-09-03T15:12:32Z

EPauper: rioting in sport - ok?

'''Emotional gambling''' is investing one's emotions in the uncertain outcome of an event, such as a sports contest. It is similar to [[gambling]] except no money is at stake.

Strong ''emotional gambling'' by sports fans may lead to rioting and acts of vandalism, when the results of games or sports events are not what they hoped for.

Talk:Emotional gambling

2008-09-03T15:05:10Z

EPauper: /* Riots */ clarified

Talk:Emotional gambling

2008-09-03T15:04:11Z

EPauper: Riots

User talk:Malakker

2008-09-03T14:43:17Z

EPauper: New page: ''Enjoying retirement'' and ''born and bred in the UK'': shouldn't you consider a move to a less socialist country, the US for example? --~~~~

''Enjoying retirement'' and ''born and bred in the UK'': shouldn't you consider a move to a less socialist country, the US for example? --[[User:EPauper|EPauper]] 10:43, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Multiplication

2008-09-03T13:56:55Z

EPauper: /* Symbol */

==Removing Bible material whose relevance to multiplication is slim==
:Multiplication is mentioned in the [[Bible]] when God tells [[Noah]] to go forth and [[multiplication|multiply]]. (Joke! Really that is a different kind of multiplication.) However, Noah did have to use multiplication when he made the [[ark]], because [[Genesis]] 6:15 says:
::And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
:So Noah knew the [[ark]] had to be a volume of 300 times 50 times 30 is 450000 cubics3, to fit two of all the animals in the world in it.

Since the first sentence is acknowledged to be a joke and not to refer to the arithmetic operation, it shouldn't be there.

The Ark example isn't very good, for two reasons. First, in the Bible, the product of the three numbers is not mentioned, so this is not an example of a use of multiplication in the Bible. (It would be very relevant in an article about the three dimensions of ordinary space).

Second, the computation as presented is almost certainly wrong, since the Ark was surely shaped shaped like a boat, not like a rectangular box, and therefore its volume would '''not''' have been 450,000 cubits3 but some subtantially smaller number, which cannot be calculated exactly from the given data. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 20:02, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

== Multiplication table ==

This article should have the multiplication table ("times table"). I suppose that the generic child using Conservapedia already knows it, but having it for review purposes can't harm. In addition (pun not intended!), the table makes it easier to understand the whole concept of multiplication. Unfortunately, I'm completely wiki-ignorant, and don't know how to insert tables in articles. [[User:SilvioB|SilvioB]] 20:47, 30 August 2008 (EDT)
:I think that's a very good idea... maybe I'll try to put something together. [[User:Human|Human]] 17:28, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

== Retreading previous material? ==

Didn't this article used to be longer? I was just putting in some stuff about the symbols used, and it seemed a bit ''deja vu''. Was there a reason for deleting some of this article, and did I miss it? Didn't mean to re-add that which was decided was inappropriate... [[User:Human|Human]] 18:15, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

==Illustrations and examples==

How about a diagram? I've taught multiplication to several children of one-digit age by showing them rows of objects. Like, 2 rows of 6 eggs is 12 (a dozen eggs) or three groups of two coins make 6 coins. Counting by twos is a cheap way to get started on multiplying (and by the way learning your two times table); see [[times table]].

Don't be in a hurry to get all formal and grad schoolish. We need to give our readers practical knowledge. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 21:36, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

==Symbol==
Several conventions are used to indicate multiplication.
*For simple numbers, the symbol (<big><math>\times</math></big>) used looks much like the letter "X", as in the examples above.
*Since the "X" looks like a letter, and letters are commonly used in algebra to indicate [[unknown]]s, or [[variable]]s, the "dot" is frequently used: A B = B A.
*Alternatively a period may be used to denote multiplication
*Also, in [[algebra]]ic use, quantities are simply juxtaposed to indicate that they are to be multiplied:
: Y = 3aX + 4bZ
::Is this a suggestion for inclusion in the article or why is this in Talk page? --[[User:Belgian|Belgian]] 08:14, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Please rewrite the above content, which I just now removed from the article. (Do you know how to use article history? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 08:16, 3 September 2008 (EDT))
:How do you want me to rewrite it? And yes I know how to use article history, but this is a talk page. Let me give you a suggestion. Next time write HERE that you want it rewritten, not in an ''edit summary'' that no one reads. That's bad WIKI practice. --[[User:Belgian|Belgian]] 08:19, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

::If you know how to read article history, then you '''did''' see my suggestion to rewrite it. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 08:23, 3 September 2008 (EDT)
Could you explain what is wrong with that above? More simple than that!