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Talk:George Orwell

2013-03-21T13:07:30Z

Eglynn: /* Conservative? */ new section

Orwell wrote an essay as the introduction to ''Animal Farm'', a painfully obvious and blatant attack on [[Stalinism]].
* It is "ironic" that the particular example of self-censorship Orwell referred to in the essay was the refusal of the left-wing and liberal press of the time to publish criticism of the Soviet Union [http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/Orwell.html]

On the other hand:

* throughout his life, Orwell remained a confirmed socialist and worked almost exclusively for socialist journals [ibid]

Then there is:
*Orwell begins his critique on class and socialism in ''The Road to Wigan Pier'' [http://www.lehigh.edu/~amsp/2004/07/class-and-empire-george-orwells-road_01.html]

And this nuanced view:
*In the 1930s revolutionary socialists and communists were quite a bit more mainstream in English and American intellectual life than they are today. Orwell knew their arguments intimately, and sympathized deeply with their goals. Indeed, the first half of The Road To Wigan Pier is a blistering attack on the harsh working and living conditions of the English working class of his day. And yet he felt that intellectualized socialism, with its emphasis on absolute mechanization and total efficiency, was somehow deeply dehumanizing. [ibid]

''International Socialist Review'' says:
*Orwell became a self-described [[socialist]] as a result of lessons learned early in life. His service as a colonial policeman in Burma turned him into a fierce anti-imperialist with a commitment to exposing oppression and championing the rights of the working class. But Orwell was also a controversial and contradictory writer who took diverse–sometimes courageous–positions over the course of his life that have left his work open to interpretation. He moved from firm anti-[[imperialist]] and working class politics to become a supporter of the British Labor Party and a critic of the left by the end of his life, including an almost obsessive focus on [[Stalinism]]. [http://www.isreview.org/issues/32/orwell.shtml]

== Edit summary ==

Sorry, I missed the comment about Animal Farm. Same thing goes, distorted communism, or Stalinism, perhaps, but not communism. --[[User:AngryCommunist|AngryCommunist]] 22:24, 4 January 2008 (EST)

:Not sure what you mean. People have been saying for years that Orwell wasn't talking about [[Communism]] in either of his best-selling novels ''[[Animal Farm]]'' or ''[[1984]]''. But that has always sounded to me about as credible as [[gay rights]] activists saying that they're "not trying to destroy traditional marriage".

:Communists lie, as part of their strategy. We Christians are "handicapped" by our need to tell the truth. Communists lie so they can get away with murder. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 23:42, 4 January 2008 (EST)

::Orwell was a self-proclaimed socialist. ''Animal Farm'' was about proto-Stalinism, and ''Nineteen Eighty-Four'' was about authoritarianism. --[[User:AngryCommunist|AngryCommunist]] 17:04, 9 January 2008 (EST)

:Is your comment related to the article? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 20:16, 9 January 2008 (EST)

::Yep. --[[User:AngryCommunist|AngryCommunist]] 21:46, 9 January 2008 (EST)

==Animal Farm and Wikipedia==

* people can change the meaning of words and commandments over time to suit a totalitarian regime

That's been my experience at Wikipedia, where minority views on controversial topics are squelched completely while the censors claim that being neutral '''requires''' them to do this. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 19:49, 30 August 2008 (EDT)

==Orwell's precise views==

Socialists persist in portraying Orwell as supporting their views. They like to argue that he made no criticism of the world's largest experiments with socialism (such as the ill-fated [[Soviet Union]]) and pretend that his pointed critiques of Communism in ''1984'' and ''Animal Farm'' were intended as general criticisms, more applicable to England and the USA.

* and a frightening tale of how people can change the meaning of words and commandments over time to suit a totalitarian regime

I think this view of Orwell is naive or intentionally deceptive. Orwell like socialism as an ideal, but he was aware of how hard it would be for real people (who are so selfish) to put into effect.

* Orwell believed that although socialism is good as an ideal, it can never be successfully adopted due to uncontrollable sins of human nature. [http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/articles/col-afcp.htm]

Let's put more about liberal revisionism into this article. [[Walter Cronkite]]'s introduction to ''198411 (assuming there was no ghostwriter) is a case in point. He succeeds in drawing the reader's attention completely away from Communist countries and hammers home the point that ''1984'' is nothing but a warning to the West. He should have said that the Soviet Union itself is a warning to the West.

But Communist propaganda has been so successful that people to this day think that Hitler was the epitome of murderous tyrants. They ignore Stalin and Mao who were ten times worse, and don't even know they are igoring them. '''This is precisely the point of ''1984''!''' --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 16:21, 16 August 2011 (EDT)

== Conservative? ==

I am not of the belief that George orwell was a conservative. I would refer you to his 1943 essay "Why I Write", in which he refers to the Spanish Civil War as being his "watershed political experience", saying "The Spanish War and other events in 1936–37, turned the scale. Thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written directly or indirectly against totalitarianism and for '''Democratic Socialism''' as I understand it."

I cannot see how anybody could possibly claim him to be a conservative, reading that. If anybody finds any contradicting sources, drop me a line, I'm totally open minded to the idea that he was a conservative. However, he seems to advocate democratic socialism, and 1984 is a slight on ''communism'' rather than the left. He just seems to be libertarian, which is ''not'' synonymous with conservatism. But again, drop me a line. --[[User:eglynn|eglynn]] 13:07, 21 March 2013 (GMT)

Talk:Atheism

2013-02-12T13:28:52Z

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== 13 recent grim events for Darwinism and atheism ==

[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/08/13-grim-events-for-darwinism-that.html 13 recent grim events for evolutionary belief and atheism]
 
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== Reddit atheism ==
/r/atheism

/R/atheism has become an echo chamber for hate speech against Christians and Conservatives in the United States. Currently, it has become a place for the Secular Student Alliance to raise funds to ban God from the public square, particularly schools, and promote left wing politics. I need help constructing a page about /r/atheism. I have added it to /r/reddit, but because of its size I think it warrants its own page.

:create a [[Reddit atheism]] article if you want. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]]

== Ayn Rand was an atheist and is a major inspiration to the libertarian right and the Tea Party, why is she being ignored? ==

There have been atheist right-wingers like [[Ayn Rand]] who is an inspiration to the libertarian right such as the Tea Party. She rejected the concept of God and religion for being in her view totalitarian and for not placing freedom and responsibility in the hands of individuals. You cannot place Ayn Rand's atheism in the same category as communist totalitarian atheism for instance. People have different reasons for being atheists - people who have gone to a church where a corrupt pastor has led the church may become atheist because they were totally aggravated with the experience of religion as preached by the corrupt pastor. So why are atheism and all atheists being pigeonholed as being akin to communist totalitarians? Why is Ayn Rand's libertarian version of atheism ignored?--[[User:TheQuestioner|TheQuestioner]] 12:10, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
::Is she being ignored? See [http://conservapedia.com/Atheism#Other_well_known_proponents_of_atheism this section] of the article. By the way, have you ever heard of the [[fallacy of exclusion]]? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:14, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

== Biggest blow to hit world [[atheism]] ==

[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/08/worlds-biggest-atheist-population-about.html World's biggest atheist population about to see a big decline]

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== First Amendment ==

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Why are we persecuting Atheists at the same time violating the First Amendment to the Constitution? I'm an Atheistic Libertarian, by the way, but Conservapedia should be used to promote Conservatism, not to violate the rules our country was founded on.

It's funny how I can't get a single reply on one of the most popular articles on Conservapedia... Where's Andy Schlafly to criticize my grammar!? Where is he to answer my question!? One single, reasonable answer to my question to why your persecuting Atheism and violating the First Amendment.
:Apparently, you're not reading the news on a daily basis, as there is always some atheist clown making an attack on Christians, God, the Bible, and any institutions supporting it. There is no Christian persecution of atheists; it's the other way around. And we're going to highlight it in this website. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 19:57, 27 December 2012 (E

Look, there's a lot of ongoing dispute between Faith and Christianity, but all your doing is favoring Christianity over Atheism. Just answer me this, Is it or is it not a violation of the First Amendment.

Just felt it's worth mentioning that many American laws favor religious people, like with marriage. The right to file jointly and tax benefits is well enough for me to consider the law favoring religious people in a significant way. I think that's what bothers the non-obnoxious atheists. There's most certainly a group who thinks others shouldn't be allowed to follow "ludicrous beliefs" or something but a religion or religious act shouldn't have benefits with the state in a nation that has religious freedom in its constitution. --[[User:MrSnowman|MrSnowman]] 11:22, 15 January 2013 (EST)
::Once the religion of evolutionism is pulled out of the public school, the religion of atheism will collapse like a pancake. And it is inevitable that this will occur.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/08/darwinists-start-thinking-unthinkable.html] Michael Ruse, evolutionist science philosopher admitted, “Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.”[http://creation.com/15-questions]

::Biblical creation belief is rapidly on the rise in the world and beginning to have a discernible effect on Western nations and it is inevitable that Darwinism will be defeated and atheism will become an even smaller squeak in American society.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbmAn3M8r0I] Even in secular France, evangelicalism is the fastest growing religion plus young earth creationism is growing in America according to the latest Gallup survey.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/down-with-evolutionary-belief-down-with.html]

::By the way, why did the Founding Fathers of America install a paid chaplain shortly after the United States was founded? "When the Senate first convened in New York City on April 6, 1789, one of its first orders of business was to appoint a committee to recommend a candidate for chaplain. On April 25, the Senate elected the Right Reverend Samuel Provoost, Episcopal Bishop of New York, as its first chaplain".[http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Senate_Chaplain.htm] [[User:RobTurkel|RobTurkel]] 16:26, 15 January 2013 (EST)

== Please read all before you block me :) ==

OK, I want to start off by sdmitting that I am a liberal atheist. HOWEVER, before you block me hear me out (I AM NOT A TROLL). There are many conservatives who are embarrased by this site (I will provide links if you wish), and I really feel that if you could provide more rational arguments then you would bemore likely to win people over. I really feel that quite possibly this could be a great site, just as long as you were more honest about your bias, and there are several hypocrisies (if you want, I'll point them out Andy). I'm sure I'll get blocked for this, but I promise I'm not trolling, I'm being honest about my political views and am genuinely trying to help you. So ''please'' don't block me, I come in peace :)

Talk:Atheism

2013-02-12T13:27:49Z

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== 13 recent grim events for Darwinism and atheism ==

[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/08/13-grim-events-for-darwinism-that.html 13 recent grim events for evolutionary belief and atheism]
 
[[File:Death.png|right|100px]]
{{clear}}

== Reddit atheism ==
/r/atheism

/R/atheism has become an echo chamber for hate speech against Christians and Conservatives in the United States. Currently, it has become a place for the Secular Student Alliance to raise funds to ban God from the public square, particularly schools, and promote left wing politics. I need help constructing a page about /r/atheism. I have added it to /r/reddit, but because of its size I think it warrants its own page.

:create a [[Reddit atheism]] article if you want. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]]

== Ayn Rand was an atheist and is a major inspiration to the libertarian right and the Tea Party, why is she being ignored? ==

There have been atheist right-wingers like [[Ayn Rand]] who is an inspiration to the libertarian right such as the Tea Party. She rejected the concept of God and religion for being in her view totalitarian and for not placing freedom and responsibility in the hands of individuals. You cannot place Ayn Rand's atheism in the same category as communist totalitarian atheism for instance. People have different reasons for being atheists - people who have gone to a church where a corrupt pastor has led the church may become atheist because they were totally aggravated with the experience of religion as preached by the corrupt pastor. So why are atheism and all atheists being pigeonholed as being akin to communist totalitarians? Why is Ayn Rand's libertarian version of atheism ignored?--[[User:TheQuestioner|TheQuestioner]] 12:10, 3 August 2012 (EDT)
::Is she being ignored? See [http://conservapedia.com/Atheism#Other_well_known_proponents_of_atheism this section] of the article. By the way, have you ever heard of the [[fallacy of exclusion]]? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:14, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

== Biggest blow to hit world [[atheism]] ==

[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/08/worlds-biggest-atheist-population-about.html World's biggest atheist population about to see a big decline]

[[File:China location.png|200px|right]]
{{clear}}

== First Amendment ==

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Why are we persecuting Atheists at the same time violating the First Amendment to the Constitution? I'm an Atheistic Libertarian, by the way, but Conservapedia should be used to promote Conservatism, not to violate the rules our country was founded on.

It's funny how I can't get a single reply on one of the most popular articles on Conservapedia... Where's Andy Schlafly to criticize my grammar!? Where is he to answer my question!? One single, reasonable answer to my question to why your persecuting Atheism and violating the First Amendment.
:Apparently, you're not reading the news on a daily basis, as there is always some atheist clown making an attack on Christians, God, the Bible, and any institutions supporting it. There is no Christian persecution of atheists; it's the other way around. And we're going to highlight it in this website. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 19:57, 27 December 2012 (E

Look, there's a lot of ongoing dispute between Faith and Christianity, but all your doing is favoring Christianity over Atheism. Just answer me this, Is it or is it not a violation of the First Amendment.

Just felt it's worth mentioning that many American laws favor religious people, like with marriage. The right to file jointly and tax benefits is well enough for me to consider the law favoring religious people in a significant way. I think that's what bothers the non-obnoxious atheists. There's most certainly a group who thinks others shouldn't be allowed to follow "ludicrous beliefs" or something but a religion or religious act shouldn't have benefits with the state in a nation that has religious freedom in its constitution. --[[User:MrSnowman|MrSnowman]] 11:22, 15 January 2013 (EST)
::Once the religion of evolutionism is pulled out of the public school, the religion of atheism will collapse like a pancake. And it is inevitable that this will occur.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/08/darwinists-start-thinking-unthinkable.html] Michael Ruse, evolutionist science philosopher admitted, “Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.”[http://creation.com/15-questions]

::Biblical creation belief is rapidly on the rise in the world and beginning to have a discernible effect on Western nations and it is inevitable that Darwinism will be defeated and atheism will become an even smaller squeak in American society.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbmAn3M8r0I] Even in secular France, evangelicalism is the fastest growing religion plus young earth creationism is growing in America according to the latest Gallup survey.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/down-with-evolutionary-belief-down-with.html]

::By the way, why did the Founding Fathers of America install a paid chaplain shortly after the United States was founded? "When the Senate first convened in New York City on April 6, 1789, one of its first orders of business was to appoint a committee to recommend a candidate for chaplain. On April 25, the Senate elected the Right Reverend Samuel Provoost, Episcopal Bishop of New York, as its first chaplain".[http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Senate_Chaplain.htm] [[User:RobTurkel|RobTurkel]] 16:26, 15 January 2013 (EST)

OK, I want to start off by sdmitting that I am a liberal atheist. HOWEVER, before you block me hear me out (I AM NOT A TROLL). There are many conservatives who are embarrased by this site (I will provide links if you wish), and I really feel that if you could provide more rational arguments then you would bemore likely to win people over. I really feel that quite possibly this could be a great site, just as long as you were more honest about your bias, and there are several hypocrisies (if you want, I'll point them out Andy). I'm sure I'll get blocked for this, but I promise I'm not trolling, I'm being honest about my political views and am genuinely trying to help you. So ''please'' don't block me, I come in peace :)