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User:Elijahandskip

2022-12-08T09:41:25Z

Elijahandskip: /* Conservapedia Articles I started */

Hello everyone. Let me start off by saying that '''I am a known (“famous”) Wikipedia editor''' and I hope to '''improve Conservapedia as well as Wikipedia'''. I have a Conservapedia article: [[Elijahandskip]] where I am documenting some of my more notable conflicts on Wikipedia (Some making the irl news).

==My Wikipedia Editing History/Fame==
In this section, you will find some of my Wikipedia history.

===My Mentions Outside Wikipedia===
As of this point in time, as a Wikipedia editor, I had 6 mentions outside Wikipedia which included news articles.

*I was '''(Unofficially) mentioned by News Akmi''' in their article '''Wikipedia Editors Censor Hunter Biden Bombshell, Call New York Post ‘Unreliable’ Source''' on October 15, 2020. -I wasn’t directly mentioned, however, one of my edits was linked to the article. I call that a mention. [https://newsakmi.com/news/usnews/wikipedia-editors-censor-hunter-biden-bombshell-call-new-york-post-unreliable-source/]

*I was '''mentioned by [[Breitbart News]]''' on October 22, 2020 in their article '''''Wikipedia Editors Label Biden Corruption Allegations ‘Conspiracy Theory’ After Censorship Attempts'''''. [https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/]

*I was '''mentioned by Law Enforcement Today''' on October 27 in their article '''''Hunter Biden audio tape appears to confirm business dealings with “spy chief” of China'''''. [https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/]

*I was '''mentioned by Wollongong Memorial Gardens''' on February 12, 2021. [https://wollongongmemorialgardens.com.au/history/search-our-records/deceased-search?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGZW4ud2lraXBlZGlhLm9yZyUyRndpa2klMkZUYWxrJTNBRmlyc3RfaW1wZWFjaG1lbnRfaW5xdWlyeV9hZ2FpbnN0X0RvbmFsZF9UcnVtcCZhbGw9MQ%3D%3D]

*I was '''mentioned in the E-Book(PDF) ''Biden Ukraine Conspiracy Theory Wikipedia'''''. [https://kindabooks.biz/cgi.php?view=biden-ukraine-conspiracy-theory-wikipedia.pdf]

*I was '''mentioned by Science Wise (.info)''' - Discovered on March 30, 2021.

===Awards I received on Wikipedia===
*I have received 4 barnstars on Wikipedia.
*I have created over 2 dozen Wikipedia articles.
*3 articles I started were put on Wikipedia's "In The News" section on the main page.

===My Beliefs===
'''I stand for history. I believe history should always be stated, so I might not agree with Rfc outcomes on Wikipedia.''' The following things I do not agree with and I have had major arguments with other editors over (causing multiple RFC's that are dozens of pages long).
*'''I do not agree with''' the Wikipedia RFC that said the impeachment attempt against Gov. Mike DeWine is not notable enough to mention in his history of governorship.
*'''I do not agree with''' the fact that Wikipedia will not add information about "ItalyGate" into any articles, even articles about election fraud claim reactions.
*'''I do not agree with''' the fact that Wikipedia will not allow information about a $500 million lawsuit against Twitter (From the Hunter Biden laptop shop guy) to be added, but will allow an entire article about a $500 million lawsuit against CNN over defamation.

==Conservapedia Articles I started==
*'''[[Elijahandskip]]'''

*[[Piggy Bank Bandit]]
*[[Planned Parenthood v. Alaska]]
*[[Nunes v. CNN]]
*[[Wikipedia Governor Impeachment Cover-Up]]
*[[Cancellation of Captain Underpants]]
*[[Bigelow Aerospace V. NASA]]
*[[45 Office]]
*[[Dominican Republic tar scandal]]
*[[Elliot Wilke]]
*[[Yamil Abreu Navarro]]
*[[List of United States tornadoes from January 2021]]
*[[PPP Extension Act of 2021]]
*[[2021 Niger coup attempt]]
*[[Venegas v Space Exploration Technologies Corp]]
*[[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]]
*[[Hattiesburg plane crash]]
*[https://conservapedia.com/Category:Aviation_accidents_and_incidents (Category:Aviation accidents and incidents)]
*[https://conservapedia.com/Category:Wikipedia_Editors (Category:Wikipedia Editors)]
*[[CommanderWaterford]]
*[[Jayron32]]
*[[Mike Harmon]]
*[[Amer Fort lightning strike]]
*[[Tropical Storm Fred (2021)]]
*[[2022 Munich Airport attack]]

[[Category:Wikipedians on Conservapedia]]

2022 Munich Airport attack

2022-12-08T09:40:55Z

Elijahandskip: Created page with "On December 8, 2022, a group of ecoterrorists attacked Munich’s airport by glueing themselves to the tarmac.<ref>https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/..."

On December 8, 2022, a group of [[Eco-terrorism|ecoterrorists]] attacked [[Munich]]’s airport by glueing themselves to the tarmac.<ref>https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1600781708348993536</ref> This attack shut both runways of the airport down, with the attack still ongoing.<ref>https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1600784905423699968</ref>

== References ==
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Elijahandskip

2022-07-15T18:23:41Z

Elijahandskip:

'''Elijahandskip''' is a conservative [[Wikipedia]] editor who received media attention after creating Wikipedia's "Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory" article and who has been in (and started) many debates over problems on Wikipedia. [[Breitbart News]] & Law Enforcement Today created articles mentioning the editor.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/</ref><ref>https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/</ref> As of July 2022, Elijahandskip has over 10,000 edits on Wikipedia.

==History on Wikipedia==
Editor Elijahandskip joined Wikipedia on September 16, 2019.<ref>https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Elijahandskip</ref> In April 2020, Elijahandskip revived Wikipedia's "Current Event WikiProject" and since then, as been the "Coordinator" of the 'WikiProject'. Through his editing history, a lot of conflicts have arose.

===Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article===
The first major conflict on Wikipedia that Elijahandskip started was the creation of the Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article. On October 14, 2020, Elijahandskip began a discussion on Wikipedia's 'Conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal' article about splitting the Hunter Biden report from the New York Post. On October 15, with no opposes to the split, Elijahandskip 'Split' the Hunter Biden incident into an article titled "Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory&diff=1021778843&oldid=983695750</ref> After the move, all 'hell' broke loose. Multiple editors said Elijahandskip should never have moved the article in the first place. On October 16, Elijahandskip started a discussion that would end up lasting 30 days and be 25 pages long. The discussion was about "Discussing the term "False" in opening statement". The background of it was in the opening statement, the article said "The Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations". Conflict arose when the word 'false' was being removed, so the discussion attracted a lot of editors. The discussion ended up gaining so much attention that [[Breitbart News]] & Law Enforcement Today created articles about the entire incident.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/</ref><ref>https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/</ref> In the end, the term "false" stayed in the article's first sentence.

===Colonial Pipeline ransomware attack article===
On May 7, the [[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] occurred and Elijahandskip created the article on [[Wikipedia]] for the cyberattack.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_ransomware_attack&action=info</ref> On May 10, Wikipedia editor Fram went to Wikipedia admin Rosguill to report a violation of Elijahandskip's T-Ban by adding "and declared a state of emergency" after a sentence about President Biden in the article.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&type=revision&diff=1022350338&oldid=1022311603</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill#Apologizing_for_a_T_ban_violation</ref> After a debate between Elijahandskip and Fram, Rosguill said "the diff that Fram provided is a clear cut violation of your tban". Elijahandskip received a 31 hour block from Wikipedia over the edit that added a total of 6 words to the article and in that edit, never mentioned anything about Post 1992 US Politics. However, on May 12, Elijahandskip got a notice about the article being mentioned on Wikipedia's "In The News" section on the main page.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Elijahandskip/Archive_2#ITN_recognition_for_Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack</ref>

===Recognitions on Wikipedia===
As of July, 2021, Elijahandskip has received eight "In The News" recognitions. Four of those recognitions are for articles Elijahandskip started and four and for articles he nominated. Elijahandskip also received four barnstars on Wikipedia including The Defender of Wiki Barnstar, The Current Events Barnstar, The Original Barnstar, and The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar.

==History on Conservapedia==
[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] joined [[Conservapedia]] after receiving a 6-month 'T-Ban' (Short for Temp Ban) from post 1992 US politics Wikipedia articles. He joined on March 27, 2021. Since his joining, he is responsible for starting 21 articles and the creation of 2 categories.<ref>https://conservapedia.com/User:Elijahandskip</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Wikipedians on Conservapedia]]
[[Category:Wikipedia Editors]]
[[Category:Wikipedia]]

User:Elijahandskip

2021-08-12T03:36:30Z

Elijahandskip: /* Conservapedia Articles I started */ +1

Tropical Storm Fred (2021)

2021-08-12T03:36:12Z

Elijahandskip: Created page with "'''Tropical Storm Fred''' is an ongoing tropical storm impacting Puerto Rico, United States Virgin Islands, and the Dominican Republic. ====Current storm informat..."

'''Tropical Storm Fred''' is an ongoing tropical storm impacting [[Puerto Rico]], [[United States Virgin Islands]], and the [[Dominican Republic]].

====Current storm information====
As of 2:00 p.m. AST (06:00 [[Coordinated Universal Time|UTC]]) August 11, about 160 mi east-southeast of Santo Domingo, [[Dominican Republic]]. Maximum sustained winds are 35 knots, with gusts up to 45 knots. The minimum barometric pressure is 1009 millibars, and the system is moving west at 16 knots. Tropical-storm-force winds extend outward up to 45 miles (75 km) from the center.

For the latest official information, see:
* The NHC's [https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT1+shtml/ latest public advisory on Tropical Storm Fred]
* The NHC's [https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCMAT1+shtml/ latest forecast advisory on Tropical Storm Fred]
* The NHC's [https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCDAT1+shtml/ latest forecast discussion on Tropical Storm Fred]

Amer Fort lightning strike

2021-07-13T01:45:48Z

Elijahandskip:

On July 12, 2021, a single lightning strike hit Amer Fort, [[India]], killing 18 people. <ref>https://www.foxnews.com/weather/lightning-strike-kills-selfie-takers-jaipur-india</ref> At the time of the lightning strike, there was almost 30 people at Amer Fort.

==References==
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[[Category:Weather]]
[[Category:India]]

Elijahandskip

2021-07-13T01:39:13Z

Elijahandskip: +1 started

'''Elijahandskip''' is a conservative [[Wikipedia]] editor who received media attention after creating Wikipedia's "Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory" article and who has been in (and started) many debates over problems on Wikipedia. [[Breitbart News]] & Law Enforcement Today created articles mentioning the editor.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/</ref><ref>https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/</ref> As of May 10, 2021, Elijahandskip has over 4100 edits on Wikipedia.

==History on Wikipedia==
Editor Elijahandskip joined Wikipedia on September 16, 2019.<ref>https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Elijahandskip</ref> In April 2020, Elijahandskip revived Wikipedia's "Current Event WikiProject" and since then, as been the "Coordinator" of the 'WikiProject'. Through his editing history, a lot of conflicts have arose.

===Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article===
The first major conflict on Wikipedia that Elijahandskip started was the creation of the Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article. On October 14, 2020, Elijahandskip began a discussion on Wikipedia's 'Conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal' article about splitting the Hunter Biden report from the New York Post. On October 15, with no opposes to the split, Elijahandskip 'Split' the Hunter Biden incident into an article titled "Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory&diff=1021778843&oldid=983695750</ref> After the move, all 'hell' broke loose. Multiple editors said Elijahandskip should never have moved the article in the first place. On October 16, Elijahandskip started a discussion that would end up lasting 30 days and be 25 pages long. The discussion was about "Discussing the term "False" in opening statement". The background of it was in the opening statement, the article said "The Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations". Conflict arose when the word 'false' was being removed, so the discussion attracted a lot of editors. The discussion ended up gaining so much attention that [[Breitbart News]] & Law Enforcement Today created articles about the entire incident.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/</ref><ref>https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/</ref> In the end, the term "false" stayed in the article's first sentence.

===Colonial Pipeline ransomware attack article===
On May 7, the [[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] occurred and Elijahandskip created the article on [[Wikipedia]] for the cyberattack.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_ransomware_attack&action=info</ref> On May 10, Wikipedia editor Fram went to Wikipedia admin Rosguill to report a violation of Elijahandskip's T-Ban by adding "and declared a state of emergency" after a sentence about President Biden in the article.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&type=revision&diff=1022350338&oldid=1022311603</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill#Apologizing_for_a_T_ban_violation</ref> After a debate between Elijahandskip and Fram, Rosguill said "the diff that Fram provided is a clear cut violation of your tban". Elijahandskip received a 31 hour block from Wikipedia over the edit that added a total of 6 words to the article and in that edit, never mentioned anything about Post 1992 US Politics. However, on May 12, Elijahandskip got a notice about the article being mentioned on Wikipedia's "In The News" section on the main page.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Elijahandskip/Archive_2#ITN_recognition_for_Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack</ref>

===Recognitions on Wikipedia===
As of July, 2021, Elijahandskip has received eight "In The News" recognitions. Four of those recognitions are for articles Elijahandskip started and four and for articles he nominated. Elijahandskip also received four barnstars on Wikipedia including The Defender of Wiki Barnstar, The Current Events Barnstar, The Original Barnstar, and The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar.

==History on Conservapedia==
[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] joined [[Conservapedia]] after receiving a 6-month 'T-Ban' (Short for Temp Ban) from post 1992 US politics Wikipedia articles. He joined on March 27, 2021. Since his joining, he is responsible for starting 21 articles and the creation of 2 categories.<ref>https://conservapedia.com/User:Elijahandskip</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Wikipedians on Conservapedia]]
[[Category:Wikipedia Editors]]
[[Category:Wikipedia]]

User:Elijahandskip

2021-07-13T01:38:57Z

Elijahandskip: /* Conservapedia Articles I started */ +1

Amer Fort lightning strike

2021-07-13T01:38:33Z

Elijahandskip: Created page with "On July 12, 2021, a single lightning strike hit Amer Fort, India, killing 18 people. <ref>https://www.foxnews.com/weather/lightning-strike-kills-selfie-takers-jaipur-india..."

Elijahandskip

2021-07-12T22:31:44Z

Elijahandskip: /* History on Wikipedia */ Added barnstars and ITN to history

'''Elijahandskip''' is a conservative [[Wikipedia]] editor who received media attention after creating Wikipedia's "Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory" article and who has been in (and started) many debates over problems on Wikipedia. [[Breitbart News]] & Law Enforcement Today created articles mentioning the editor.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/</ref><ref>https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/</ref> As of May 10, 2021, Elijahandskip has over 4100 edits on Wikipedia.

==History on Wikipedia==
Editor Elijahandskip joined Wikipedia on September 16, 2019.<ref>https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Elijahandskip</ref> In April 2020, Elijahandskip revived Wikipedia's "Current Event WikiProject" and since then, as been the "Coordinator" of the 'WikiProject'. Through his editing history, a lot of conflicts have arose.

===Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article===
The first major conflict on Wikipedia that Elijahandskip started was the creation of the Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article. On October 14, 2020, Elijahandskip began a discussion on Wikipedia's 'Conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal' article about splitting the Hunter Biden report from the New York Post. On October 15, with no opposes to the split, Elijahandskip 'Split' the Hunter Biden incident into an article titled "Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory&diff=1021778843&oldid=983695750</ref> After the move, all 'hell' broke loose. Multiple editors said Elijahandskip should never have moved the article in the first place. On October 16, Elijahandskip started a discussion that would end up lasting 30 days and be 25 pages long. The discussion was about "Discussing the term "False" in opening statement". The background of it was in the opening statement, the article said "The Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations". Conflict arose when the word 'false' was being removed, so the discussion attracted a lot of editors. The discussion ended up gaining so much attention that [[Breitbart News]] & Law Enforcement Today created articles about the entire incident.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/</ref><ref>https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/</ref> In the end, the term "false" stayed in the article's first sentence.

===Colonial Pipeline ransomware attack article===
On May 7, the [[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] occurred and Elijahandskip created the article on [[Wikipedia]] for the cyberattack.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_ransomware_attack&action=info</ref> On May 10, Wikipedia editor Fram went to Wikipedia admin Rosguill to report a violation of Elijahandskip's T-Ban by adding "and declared a state of emergency" after a sentence about President Biden in the article.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&type=revision&diff=1022350338&oldid=1022311603</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill#Apologizing_for_a_T_ban_violation</ref> After a debate between Elijahandskip and Fram, Rosguill said "the diff that Fram provided is a clear cut violation of your tban". Elijahandskip received a 31 hour block from Wikipedia over the edit that added a total of 6 words to the article and in that edit, never mentioned anything about Post 1992 US Politics. However, on May 12, Elijahandskip got a notice about the article being mentioned on Wikipedia's "In The News" section on the main page.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Elijahandskip/Archive_2#ITN_recognition_for_Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack</ref>

===Recognitions on Wikipedia===
As of July, 2021, Elijahandskip has received eight "In The News" recognitions. Four of those recognitions are for articles Elijahandskip started and four and for articles he nominated. Elijahandskip also received four barnstars on Wikipedia including The Defender of Wiki Barnstar, The Current Events Barnstar, The Original Barnstar, and The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar.

==History on Conservapedia==
[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] joined [[Conservapedia]] after receiving a 6-month 'T-Ban' (Short for Temp Ban) from post 1992 US politics Wikipedia articles. He joined on March 27, 2021. Since his joining, he is responsible for starting 20 articles and the creation of 2 categories.<ref>https://conservapedia.com/User:Elijahandskip</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Wikipedians on Conservapedia]]
[[Category:Wikipedia Editors]]
[[Category:Wikipedia]]

Wikipedia Governor Impeachment Cover-Up

2021-07-12T21:08:40Z

Elijahandskip:

By: [[Elijahandskip]] (Wikipedia lead coordinator of the Current Event WikiProject)

Whistleblower Article on Conservapedia.

I have discovered a cover-up happening on Wikipedia where they are trying to rewrite history. The cover-up is where bad things against US governors, Republican and Democratic governors, is being excluded from their governance history on Wikipedia.

Let me explain the background for this and it will make more sense. Let us start with Ohio Governor Mike DeWine. So on August 24, 2020, Ohio Representative John Becker drew up 10 articles of impeachment against Gov. DeWine. Information about the 10 impeachment articles being drafted was added to Wikipedia’s article about Mike DeWine. The information was also added to a new Wikipedia article titled “Impeachment Inquiry against Mike DeWine” which was completely incorrect as no impeachment inquiry had been started against Gov. DeWine. Representative Becker had only announced that he had drafted the 10 articles of impeachment. A week after the new Wikipedia article’s creation, it was moved into their draft space. Wikipedia’s draft space is where an article still exists, aka, all the information is still accessible on Wikipedia, but it does not get indexed on Google. That was perfectly fine since the articles hadn’t been submitted yet. Keep in mind that information was still listed about the articles being drafted against Gov. DeWine on Wikipedia’s article on Mike DeWine.

About a month later, the article in draft space was renamed to “Impeachment articles against Mike DeWine”. After it was renamed, it was moved back into Wikipedia’s main space. A few hours after being moved back into main space under the new name, it was nominated for deletion. After a discussion taking place over the next week, it was determined on October 1, 2020, that the article did not belong on Wikipedia. Keep in mind, information about the impeachment articles being drafted against Gov. DeWine was still mentioned and listed on Wikipedia’s article about Mike DeWine.

All went quiet in the world of Ohio politics until November 30, 2020. Then, bam, Representative John Becker with 3 other Representatives sponsored 12 articles of impeachment against Gov. DeWine. Once again, A Wikipedia article under the title “Impeachment articles against Mike DeWine” appeared on Wikipedia. By December 1, 2020, the day after the article was created, a Wikipedia admin began a deletion discussion for the article. A week later, on December 7, 2020, it was detected. Keep in mind, information about the impeachment articles being submitted against Gov. DeWine, was mentioned and added to the Wikipedia article about Mike DeWine. Wikipedia also determined not to add any information about the impeachment articles being submitted against a current US Governor was not notable enough to add to their Current Event Portal, which has an average daily page view of 6 million people. That was a major shock. It made national American news about the articles being submitted as impeachment articles against a US Governor does not happen often, but Wikipedia decided that it was not worth noting for November 30’s top current events.

After that discussion I thought Wikipedia was done making discussions on the attempt to impeach Mike DeWine, since we knew by December 7 that it wasn’t going anywhere. I was wrong.

On December 15, 2020, a 30 day long discussion began on Wikipedia on the topic of mentioning, aka dedicating an entire section on Mike DeWine’s article about the attempt to impeach him. In the actual discussion description, it never mentioned removing the information completely from the article. Keep that in mind. The admin who began the deletion discussion on November 30 of that other article even made the comment and I quote, “this RfC isn't about the information being in the article, is it? It's just about having a named subsection, isn't it?” The admin was so wrong.

On January15, 2021, the discussion ended with 6 votes to keep, 6 votes to delete and 1 vote to rename the section. The rename is equal to a keep vote, so really there was more keep votes than delete votes. But on January 15, the discussion was closed with a delete vote. Keep in mind, the original discussion was about having a subsection for the impeachment attempt. Even an admin thought that was what it was about. However, all information about the impeachment attempt was removed from Mike DeWine’s article.

On January 26, 2021, a new short discussion happened on Wikipedia about the fact that there was no mention about it. The discussion closed 45 minutes after it began with 3 editors, including one who has edited Wikipedia for over 12 years, quickly voting to keep all information about the impeachment attempt removed from his Wikipedia article.

That raises a serious problem. Wikipedia apparently has the authority to rewrite history in a way to help people seem better. I am a strong Republican, and I discovered this cover-up happening to a Republican Governor’s Wikipedia article. There is no party line issue happening here. This is a blatant cover-up happening which is trying to help US Governor rewrite their history during their governance.

Imagine if Governor DeWine wins the 2022 election and is re-elected as the Governor of Ohio. In 2023, a freshman in high school could be given the assignment to research an Ohio politician. They might choose to pick Gov. DeWine to research. Like most high school students, they might go to Wikipedia to see the sources listed. They probably won’t be allowed to actually list Wikipedia as a source, but even my high school teachers encouraged us to use the sources on Wikipedia. If there is no mention about the impeachment attempt against Gov. DeWine, that freshman won’t have any idea that there was even an attempt to kick him out of office. Wikipedia has rewrote history so people see only the good things about Governor DeWine’s history. I don’t have a strong opinion about the impeachment attempt, but I do have a strong opinion about people trying to exclude history that makes someone seem good or bad.

Governor DeWine’s Wikipedia article wasn’t the only one involved in this coverup. Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer’s article is also caught up in this coverup on Wikipedia.

On November 18, some Michigan Representatives introduced a House Resolution with 4 articles of impeachment against Gov. Whitmer. Information was added to her Wikipedia article and an article titled “Impeachment articles against Gretchen Whitmer” was created. The article was decided to be deleted as it wasn’t a lot of information and it was expected to go nowhere. I am ok with that. But some editors backed by Wikipedia admins took that deletion of the separate article as the means of saying it was not notable for Wikipedia. Thus, they removed all information about the attempt to impeach Gov. Whitmer from the Wikipedia article about Gretchen Whitmer.

Governor Whitmer is a Democrat and Governor DeWine is a Republican. There are clearly no party lines causing this. This is a deep cover-up on Wikipedia to exclude attempts to impeach US Governors from history. If you were to add information about the impeachment attempts to their articles, it will be removed and you could even face an attempt to get you banned on Wikipedia. I searched through the archives of Wikipedia and discovered 4 discussions on Wikipedia about muting/banning users involved in the discussions about the impeachment attempt against Gov. DeWine and I discovered a different discussion about getting users banned/muted related to the impeachment attempt against Gov. Whitmer.

I don’t know about you, but this needs to be fixed. Wikipedia should not have the power or ability to rewrite history by excluding bad things about Republican or Democratic politicians.

[[Category:Essays]]

Elijahandskip

2021-07-12T21:07:37Z

Elijahandskip: Added new controversy from my editing on Wikipedia - Colonial Pipeline ransomware attack article

'''Elijahandskip''' is a conservative [[Wikipedia]] editor who received media attention after creating Wikipedia's "Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory" article and who has been in (and started) many debates over problems on Wikipedia. [[Breitbart News]] & Law Enforcement Today created articles mentioning the editor.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/</ref><ref>https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/</ref> As of May 10, 2021, Elijahandskip has over 4100 edits on Wikipedia.

==History on Wikipedia==
Editor Elijahandskip joined Wikipedia on September 16, 2019.<ref>https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Elijahandskip</ref> In April 2020, Elijahandskip revived Wikipedia's "Current Event WikiProject" and since then, as been the "Coordinator" of the 'WikiProject'. Through his editing history, a lot of conflicts have arose.

===Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article===
The first major conflict on Wikipedia that Elijahandskip started was the creation of the Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article. On October 14, 2020, Elijahandskip began a discussion on Wikipedia's 'Conspiracy theories related to the Trump–Ukraine scandal' article about splitting the Hunter Biden report from the New York Post. On October 15, with no opposes to the split, Elijahandskip 'Split' the Hunter Biden incident into an article titled "Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory".<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory&diff=1021778843&oldid=983695750</ref> After the move, all 'hell' broke loose. Multiple editors said Elijahandskip should never have moved the article in the first place. On October 16, Elijahandskip started a discussion that would end up lasting 30 days and be 25 pages long. The discussion was about "Discussing the term "False" in opening statement". The background of it was in the opening statement, the article said "The Biden-Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations". Conflict arose when the word 'false' was being removed, so the discussion attracted a lot of editors. The discussion ended up gaining so much attention that [[Breitbart News]] & Law Enforcement Today created articles about the entire incident.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/</ref><ref>https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/</ref> In the end, the term "false" stayed in the article's first sentence.

===Colonial Pipeline ransomware attack article===
On May 7, the [[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] occurred and Elijahandskip created the article on [[Wikipedia]] for the cyberattack.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_ransomware_attack&action=info</ref> On May 10, Wikipedia editor Fram went to Wikipedia admin Rosguill to report a violation of Elijahandskip's T-Ban by adding "and declared a state of emergency" after a sentence about President Biden in the article.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&type=revision&diff=1022350338&oldid=1022311603</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rosguill#Apologizing_for_a_T_ban_violation</ref> After a debate between Elijahandskip and Fram, Rosguill said "the diff that Fram provided is a clear cut violation of your tban". Elijahandskip received a 31 hour block from Wikipedia over the edit that added a total of 6 words to the article and in that edit, never mentioned anything about Post 1992 US Politics. However, on May 12, Elijahandskip got a notice about the article being mentioned on Wikipedia's "In The News" section on the main page.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Elijahandskip/Archive_2#ITN_recognition_for_Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack</ref>

==History on Conservapedia==
[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] joined [[Conservapedia]] after receiving a 6-month 'T-Ban' (Short for Temp Ban) from post 1992 US politics Wikipedia articles. He joined on March 27, 2021. Since his joining, he is responsible for starting 20 articles and the creation of 2 categories.<ref>https://conservapedia.com/User:Elijahandskip</ref>

==References==
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Elijahandskip

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User:Elijahandskip

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Elijahandskip: /* Conservapedia Articles I started */

Mike Harmon

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'''Mike Harmon''' is the current state auditor for [[Kentucky]]. On July 12, 2021, he announced that he is running for Kentucky's [[governor]] in 2023.<ref>https://apnews.com/article/business-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-kentucky-da96716cd3b76ebf03c2276e7454c49f</ref>

==References==
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Mike Harmon

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'''Mike Harmon''' is the current state auditor for [[Kentucky]]. On July 12, 2021, he announced that he is running for Kentucky's [[governor]] in 2023. <ref>https://apnews.com/article/business-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-kentucky-da96716cd3b76ebf03c2276e7454c49f</ref>

CommanderWaterford

2021-07-12T18:41:08Z

Elijahandskip: Updating since CommanderWaterford was perm blocked from Wikipedia

'''CommanderWaterford''' was a [[Wikipedia]] editor<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CommanderWaterford</ref> who was a member of Wikipedia's WikiProject of Spain. He nominated the Wikipedia's Makurdi kidnapping article & Wikipedia's Virar hospital fire article for deletion. Both deletion attempts failed with the kidnapping being voted to be merged (Still have the info on Wikipedia in a new place) and the fire a straight 'Keep' vote.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Virar_hospital_fire</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Makurdi_kidnapping</ref> He was also an advocate to delete Wikipedia's Rambouillet knife attack, which was a terrorist attack in France. The terrorist attack deletion attempt failed within 20 hours of its start.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rambouillet_knife_attack</ref> When the [[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] occurred, he was an advocate to keep Wikipedia's article about it in draft state when the news about it came out.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&offset=20210509143752%7C1022266450&action=history</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&diff=1022161930&oldid=1022156839</ref>

On May 21, 2021, CommanderWaterford was perm blocked by Wikipedia admin Drmies after an Administrator noticeboard discussion (ANI) had a consensus to perm block them from editing Wikipedia. <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CommanderWaterford/Archives/2021/May#May_2021_2</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=1024391965&oldid=1024390549</ref>
==References==
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[[Category:Wikipedia Editors]]
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Juneteenth

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[[File:Progressive racists vow to tear down Lincoln monument.jpeg|right|300px|thumb|[[Leftwing]] [[racist]]s vowed to tear down the Emancipation Memorial in Washington, D.C.<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/23/protester-announces-destruction-emancipation-monument/</ref>]]
'''Juneteenth''' is the oldest nationally celebrated commemoration of the [[Emancipation Proclamation]] ending [[slavery]] in the [[United States]].<ref>http://juneteenth.com/</ref> It is a portmanteau of "June" and "19th", the date (in 1865) when Union troops landed in [[Galveston, Texas]] and read the Proclamation (Texas was the last state to have it read, being the most distant from the rest of the Confederacy).

[[Muhammad Ali]] is a descendant of the escaped slave depicted in the [[Emancipation Memorial]] in [[Washington, D.C.]].<ref>https://www.ebony.com/entertainment/muhammad-ali-dna-ancestry-linked-escaped-slave/</ref> The Emancipation Memorial depicts a runaway slave being freed from the yoke of oppression by the Great Emancipator, [[Abraham Lincoln]].<ref>https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/25/black-historians-call-for-preservation-of-emancipation-memorial-funded-by-freed-slaves/</ref><ref>https://100percentfedup.com/black-historian-tells-angry-blm-crowd-yall-dont-know-your-history-during-protest-in-d-c-to-remove-emancipation-statue/</ref> In recent years white [[Marxist]] agitators have defamed and defaced monuments of the first [[Republican]] president who also freed the slaves.<ref>https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2017/08/15/the-lincoln-memorial-was-vandalized-with-red-spray-paint/</ref>

In June 2020, a mob of [[white]] leftwing racists vowed to tear down the Emancipation Memorial.<ref>https://www.faithwire.com/2020/06/24/black-pastor-takes-bold-stand-against-mob-threatening-abraham-lincoln-emancipation-statue/</ref>

As of June 17, 2021, '''Juneteenth''' is a federal holiday, which was signed by [[Joe Biden]] into law. <ref>https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-signs-bill-making-juneteenth-a-federal-holiday/ar-AAL9t4V?ocid=msedgntp</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:United States History]]

The Truth About Vaccines

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Elijahandskip: Created page with "'''The Truth About Vaccines''' was a YouTube channel that was taken down on May 18, 2021, after an AP News investigation team explained "how they work with other sprea..."

'''The Truth About Vaccines''' was a [[YouTube]] channel that was taken down on May 18, 2021, after an [[AP News]] investigation team explained "how they work with other spreaders of false information [Of Covid-19 vaccines] to make money". <ref>https://apnews.com/article/anti-vaccine-bollinger-coronavirus-disinformation-a7b8e1f33990670563b4c469b462c9bf</ref> <ref>https://apnews.com/article/tn-state-wire-coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-c17c288880f980c280e74545be740fde</ref> <ref>https://www.wptv.com/coronavirus/seller-of-vaccine-disinformation-has-youtube-channel-removed</ref>

==References==
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Conservapedia:Community Portal

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User talk:BHathorn

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{{welcome}}--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 10:18, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

== Articles ==

I assume you wrote them.--[[User:JamesWilson|JamesWilson]] 20:56, 22 August 2011 (EDT)

:Yes, I am the author of the two articles. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 22:43, 24 August 2011 (EDT)
::Then how is it that a Wikipedia editor doesn't know how to format pages? [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 12:08, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

== Anita Perry ==

The section you've added about her brother is almost half of the article, and would probably fit better in the Rick Perry and/or G.W. Bush articles. It was the interaction between the men that's caused whatever stress there might be. The way the section in the article is written, Mrs. Perry doesn't appear to be involved at all, other than being a sister and wife. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 12:08, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

== Article format ==

I've tried to fix the formatting and references on your article [[Chuck Hopson]]. Please take the time to correct your other articles, and try to use the correct formatting on any new articles you write. Thanks! --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 15:53, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

== Articles from WP ==

Could you please attribute them from WP written by you on the talk page? There's a template for it, and I'll find you the link. Thanks!--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 19:02, 13 November 2011 (EST)
:{{Copied from|site=|user=|site user=}}
::There you go!--[[User:JamesWilson|James Wilson]] 19:06, 13 November 2011 (EST)

== Congratulations ==

Congratulations, your account has been granted extra rights (blocking and SkipCatcha)!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:03, 15 November 2011 (EST)

== Bryan Hughes ==

The [[Bryan Hughes]] article you wrote needs to have the in-line references fixed. Was it copy/pasted from somewhere? If it was, and you wrote the original, the talk page needs a disclaimer. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 12:50, 24 November 2011 (EST)

== Edit reversion ==

I'm curious why you reversed my edit about the name format for Ray Garofalo? The proper format for names is '''First Middle "Nickname" Last". [[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 15:03, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

I don't know what was done. The name was misspelled "Garofolo in the heading, and I corrected it to Garofalo. I did not know that I had altered the name. Sorry for the confusion. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 18:16, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

== Shreveport Journal. ==

[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Shreveport_Journal&curid=123027&diff=1005524&oldid=1005329 Any reason why you took out these ref tags?] [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 21:29, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

No, I don't know what happened. The article could not be edited on Sept. 11. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 22:15, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

== Reference tags, again? ==

[http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Carlos_Truan&curid=123326&diff=1006241&oldid=1005996 This edit] leaves all kinds of weird stuff in the text of the article. what are you trying to do? [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 11:38, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

Are you saying not to use <nowiki><ref name=></nowiki> ? Many of the current articles I checked are not allowing editing today. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 01:25, 15 September 2012 (EDT)

== This one is really weird as well... ==

Look at [[Four Price]] after you made [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Four_Price&curid=104177&diff=1006350&oldid=940392 this edit]]. As they say, "that ain't right. Please, tell me what you're trying to do with the references and I'll try to help you out, but right now, it looks unreadable. Thanks! [[User:MattyD|MattyD]]

<nowiki>I was just updating the story and putting <ref> in front of cite web and </ref> at the end of the reference. In the past this has been no problem, but for the past two weeks, it causes the story to go haywire, and the <ref> and </ref> disappear. Some of the stories, such as Gene Reynolds and A. Roswell Thompson, are also locked up and can't be edited.</nowiki> [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 10:50, 15 September 2012 (EDT)

I have repaired Price, Reynolds, Thompson and will check on others. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 11:50, 15 September 2012 (EDT)

NOTICE:

MattyD, Can you permit me back into Conservapedia. I can only access it at the public library; not at home. Thanks, [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 15:39, 19 September 2012 (EDT)
:No, I cannot. You need to ask an admin: ASchlafly, Karajou, Ed Poor, Conservative, JPatt, etc... [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 15:47, 19 September 2012 (EDT)

==Browser issues==
Do you use the same browser at both home and in the library? What browser do you have at home? Do you have a javascript plugin installed in your browser? Thanks, [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 06:06, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

<references/>

I don't know about the brower, but once again as of Sept. 21, I can access Conservapedia at home. Thanks, [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 08:38, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

:Thanks for your patience.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 12:07, 21 September 2012 (EDT)

== Articles you've created. ==

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I believe that articles about cities are titled just by the name of the city. You've created a bunch that are titled "City, State." You might want to see if you can bring them in line with the existing style. Peace, etc. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 12:00, 25 September 2012 (EDT)

:What about cities with the same name in various states? [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 12:02, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::Like [[Portland]]? [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 12:04, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
:::You may have to set up redirects or get a sysop to move the articles for you--it's the titles that need to be changed more that the first sentence. [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 12:07, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::::It should be a case by case thing. Portland is also an historic port-city in Victoria, Australia. There is the famous [[Alexandria]] in [[Egypt]]. And so on. Click on [[Kingston]] - there are many many more towns and cities of that name around the world founded by Brits during the colonial era and named after their home town. I would mention the state unless you are sure it is unique. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 18:45, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
:::::An example of what can happen. In March 2007 an edit to [[Archimedes]] mentioned the tyrant of Syracuse with a red link to Syracuse. In October 2007 an article was created for Syracuse New York, heading: [[Syracuse]] This enlivened the link in the Archimedes article to make it look (to the very ignorant) as if he lived in upstate New York. It's fixable but would not have happened if the American city had been headed "Syracuse N.Y." or similar. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 19:37, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::::::I also favor the city, state format for article names. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 21:42, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
Does Conservapedia not use disambiguation pages for such things? [[User:MattyD|MattyD]] 21:57, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
: Yes it does. But Conservapedia is not particularly good at "paperwork". Everyone is focused on their own little realm. The person who wrote "Archimedes" didn't give a toss about the chance that someone would enliven the Sicilian Syracuse with the American one. There were editors who cared but one by one they disappeared or were rooted out by TK because they had possibly shown up across the road at you-know-where at some stage. There is one still editing - WesleyS (hi Wes!) - but he can't be everywhere. Look, let's talk on my [[User:AlanE|talk page]]. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 22:34, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
::Archimedes has his home back, and it's not in New York; try making good corrections to paperwork, and don't worry too much about someone else's "realm". There's always something else to add to :) [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 23:08, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
:::Thank you for taking the time to fix this. To me, we all owe a duty to our users/readers. That should motivate us to leave our own comfort zones in order to build a better encyclopedia overall, rather than "realm" by "realm". [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 23:34, 25 September 2012 (EDT)
:::: Yes, thanks. Perhaps not so much "realms" as demesnes. Every time I have come across a failure in the "paperwork" I have either fixed it or tried to bring it to someone's attention. It hasn't always worked. If you were to [[guddle]] into my edits over the years you would come across my frustration. I have been banned for this, because I haven't always been "polite" in my frustration. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 00:43, 26 September 2012 (EDT)

== Cattle Kate ==

Why does this article seem to be about someone called annie instead of kate ? Also why are these articles being copied directly from wikipedia ? [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 21:25, 3 January 2013 (EST)
: All you articles should also be classed as copied articles as they are from WP [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 21:28, 3 January 2013 (EST)
::I was just wondering about the 'Kate' thing as well. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 21:30, 3 January 2013 (EST)
::: Again I ask the question why where the articles you are posting deleted from wikipedia ? Can you please answer this question ? Can you also start using the ''copied from'' template. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 21:51, 3 January 2013 (EST)

:I was blocked from Wikipedia, and the articles were removed. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 21:55, 3 January 2013 (EST)
:: And what was the reason for the blockage ? What username did you use when creating these articles ? [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 21:56, 3 January 2013 (EST)

:There really was no reason that I understand. They said I violated copyright by not paraphrasing properly in several instances, but I did not. I gave attribution and gave the notations. I used the name "The Good Grinch". [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 21:58, 3 January 2013 (EST)

::: Again can I ask you to use this; <nowiki>:{{Copied from|site=Wikipedia|user=BHathorn|site user=}}</nowiki> template instead of adding a talk page message ! [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 21:59, 3 January 2013 (EST)

Do I still use this ""Copied" if the article is not on Wikipedia? If so, where do I put this label? (unsigned by [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]])

: You would, however you would change to <nowiki>|site=</nowiki> to the site in which it was copied from. You also need to make sure that it was copied legally and not illegally. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 22:09, 3 January 2013 (EST)

:Dvergne, I did not actually copy the articles from Wikipedia. I had them on my own computer file and adjusted the links, etc. It is impossible to copy these articles from Wikipedia, as there is no trace of them there. If I did not have my own copies of the articles, they would have been lost. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 22:16, 3 January 2013 (EST)

:: Fair enough, I suggest you add this experience to the some of the censorship at wikipedia articles here. [[User:Dvergne|Dvergne]] 22:26, 3 January 2013 (EST)

:If I added my experiences with Wikipedia, it would take many, many screens and would bore you to tears. I doubt many would believe me any way. Ultimately, I can't figure out how Wikipedia stays afloat considering the way it treats the writers. Any writer there must have his own agenda, whether he admits it or not, and one's agenda may not be in line with the grand poo-bahs there. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] 23:13, 3 January 2013 (EST)

== Do you still need help accessing Conservapedia at home? ==

Do you still need help accessing Conservapedia at home? Is your IP blocked? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:16, 22 November 2014 (EST)

==How to download photos==

I can't find the directions on downloading photos. Can someone direct me to the instructions? Thanks, [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 11:37, 2 May 2016 (EDT)
:This is a bit of an old question--I don't know if you've gotten your answer yet. I don't know of any directions on CP, though other sites such as [http://www.wikihow.com/Download-Pictures-from-a-Website wikihow] offer some. In general, right-click on the image and select the option labeled something like "Save image as..." or "Save as..." You may find this option labeled differently between different Internet browsers. They you simply select a location on your computer to save the file, and click the "save" button. In Chromium-based browsers such as Google Chrome, you may need to download it first, then find it in the bottom bar of your browser and move it to somewhere you can get at later. Does this help? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:17, 29 July 2016 (EDT)
I don't look at my user page much, and just saw your question. DavidB4 told you how to download a photo '''from''' Conservapedia. I suspect that you want to upload photos '''to''' Conservapedia. First, find a photo that you can share (perhaps following the instructions above) or the URL of the photo on flickr or Wikimedia Commons. Then leave a message on [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] and DavidB4 will upload it for you and tell you the name of the file that he created. Thanks for all that you do for CP. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 14:13, 29 December 2016 (EST)

== IRC ==

Hello, 
After some discussion (on [[User_talk:DavidB4#Conservapedia_IRC_channel|my talk page]] and [[User_talk:Aschlafly#IRC|Andy's]]) it has been decided that I start an [[Internet Relay Chat]] channel for Conservapedia, since our old one has been dead since 2009. It is now registered and somewhat set up. I don't know if you use IRC or are interested in doing so, but anyone with block privileges on Conservapedia can also get block privileges on the new IRC channel. Unfortunately, IRC accounts are deleted after 30 days of being unused, so unless you plan on using the IRC at least once a month, there is probably not much point in registering. In any case, feel free to try it out--if you account gets deleted, we can always make another one later. If you are interested, please let me know! 
The IRC channel is: #conservapedia @irc.accessIRC.net 
Let me know if you have any questions or need anything else, also! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:41, 11 April 2017 (EDT)

== New Template ==

Hello. I'd just like to inform you that it would be greatly beneficial if you were to assist on working on the following newly created template;
[[Template:Bible Cities]]

This template was created less than a week ago, and is an attempt to record all the biblical cities of the Old and New Testaments. It would be helpful if you, and other fellow editors at Conservapedia, were to assist in creating articles describing these biblical cities. If you are willing to start making some of these pages, but are not exactly sure how to approach the task, I'd suggest looking at [[Rhegium]] or [[Beeroth]], two very (very) recent pages created by myself ([[Shaaraim]] is another good example) to get a good understanding at how this thing should be done. If you're willing to go above and beyond, take a look at the page [[Amphipolis]], perhaps the best biblical city page to date. Just to note, this request is optional and you may help out on your own volition.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]]

== Attribution ==

Hi, 
I see that several of the articles you have been publishing (including [[Ray Hunkins]] and [[Gene Reynolds]]) contain text which is very similar to some which is already available elsewhere on the internet. Are you the original author of this text, and just spreading it around? 
Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:43, 4 September 2017 (EDT)

Yes, original author. The Ray Hunkins bio was deleted in 2016 from Wikipedia. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 23:31, 4 September 2017 (EDT)

:Okay, so then other people copied it from Wikipedia. That seems to makes sense. Alright, thanks for clarifying that! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

== please backup your recent edits ==

Please try to either save a copy of your edits, or just refrain from editing for the next 24 hours or so. Conservapedia is changing web servers, and there is a risk that pages might be exported before you make the change, meaning your change will be lost. Thanks for understanding! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:48, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

Hi, I was blocked here... My original username used to be [[User:kingdamian1 |kingdamian1]]. I wish to get unblocked now, and I regret stupid things I may have done. Is there any way for us to discuss my block? Thanks --[[User:Making Idan|Making Idan]] ([[User talk:Making Idan|talk]]) 15:20, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

:What can I do to help? I don't recall your situation. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 16:55, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

==Change title name==
I need to change the title of [[Douglas F. Attaway, Jr.]], to [[Douglas Fisher Attaway]]. He is apparently not a "junior" because his middle name is his mother's maiden name. Can someone do this? Thanks[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 08:31, 6 March 2019 (EST)

== Uploading rights granted ==
Hi BHathorn! You've been granted uploading privileges. Please be sure to give proper attribution, identify the license, and provide a link back to the source. Images on Wikipedia have an icon to click to see the information required for attribution. Enjoy your new privileges!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 23:12, 2 August 2019 (EDT)

:P.S. Please by uploading only images having a "CC" license, or Public Domain ("PD"). Please ask first on my talk page if you ever want to assert "[[fair use]]" for copying images, and let's not start with any of those. Thanks!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:41, 3 August 2019 (EDT)

==Where are the steps to follow for unloading==

I don't know where to begin with uploading; need instructions. Thanks. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 07:19, 3 August 2019 (EDT)
:Please don't upload files bigger than 100k. The instructions are self-explanatory [[Special:Upload|here]]. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 09:49, 3 August 2019 (EDT)
::If you have any specific questions, need step-by-step directions, want me to review an image license, or anything else, let me know! I can also look over images which are copyrighted, to give you my opinion on whether or not they can be used here. 
::Let me know if I can help! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:04, 3 August 2019 (EDT)

== Fred Schiele‎ ==

Where did you get the information that you have added to this article? The Wikipedia page was recently deleted because of some copyright violation. If you could provide a link for me that would be very appreciative. --[[User:Orb|Orb]] ([[User talk:Orb|talk]]) 13:36, 30 October 2019 (EDT)

:This is the WP article. There was no copyright violation that I could find. WP does not seem to understand that facts cannot be copyrighted. Anyway, the copright ruse is a way to kill articles without going through the process "Articles for Deletion."[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 14:01, 30 October 2019 (EDT)

== Question on Len Blaylock ==

When you get a chance, would you please see my question here: [[Talk:Len Blaylock]]? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:43, 12 November 2019 (EST)

== Upload rights ==

You already have upload rights, but please be sure not to upload anything that is copyrighted. [[Public domain]] photos are fine to upload without attribution, or anything with properly licensing for use on the internet such as Wikimedia Commons as long as proper attribution is given (Wikimedia has attribution statements which can be used for photos taken from there). Please ask first if there is any question about it. Flickr is sometimes OK, as long as there is full attribution to the author of the photo and the nature of the rights and link to it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 18:44, 3 December 2019 (EST)

:Andy, I know I have upload rights but do not know how to upload. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 19:21, 3 December 2019 (EST)

==Two identical articles on same person, [[J. Kelly Nix]]==

Please omit one:

https://www.conservapedia.com/J._Kelly_Nix[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 23:20, 12 February 2020 (EST)

:What is the name of the other article? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:52, 12 February 2020 (EST)

Andy, they are both listed as [[J. Kelly Nix]], but only one of the two can be called up in the search box. Probably the second one is the right one.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 08:06, 13 February 2020 (EST)

:Oh, I see what you mean. One of the page titles had some blank spaces after the name. They were probably copied-and-pasted in, along with the name. I believe I have corrected the issue. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:03, 13 February 2020 (EST)

::Actually, the search tool hasn't cleared out that incorrect result...It might be glitched. If it doesn't clear out after the nightly database repair, I will put a redirect there. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:05, 13 February 2020 (EST)

== Hi ==

What can I write? I want to help. Ty [[User:BorisKhlivski|BorisKhlivski]] ([[User talk:BorisKhlivski|talk]]) 22:04, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

:You could do bios on the late southern U.S. senators: John Stennis and James Eastland of Mississippi, J. Lister Hill of Alabama, Spessard Holland of Florida, and Bill Brock of Tennessee. Also former Governor Claude Kirk of Florida.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 23:29, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

== [[Template:Infobox officeholder]] updated ==

Hi BHathorn, since I noticed that you use [[Template:Infobox officeholder]] quite often for page creations, I just want to inform you that a sub-template transcluded into the main one has been improved such that military information can now be added without any red template links popping up (unlike before). If you need any help, the sub-template source code is [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_officeholder/Personal_data&action=edit here]. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 02:19, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

:Thanks, liberaltears, for the suggestion. Can you send me a template (or sub-template) that allows the listing of military service> Then I can use that as backup copy. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 09:46, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

::Alright, here's an example. So if an infobox officeholder template is set up as shown on the left, then the following on the right will appear:
{{Infobox officeholder
|allegiance=United States
|rank=General
|branch=United States Army
|unit=???
|serviceyears=2000 – 2010
|battles=[[Iraq War]]
|awards=Three Purple Hearts
}}

<pre style="width:35em">
{{Infobox officeholder
|allegiance=United States
|rank=General
|branch=United States Army
|unit=???
|serviceyears=2000 – 2010
|battles=[[Iraq War]]
|awards=Three Purple Hearts
}}

</pre>

An important note: if ''any'' information for allegiance, rank, branch, and/or etc. is added in, then the military section automatically shows up. I hope this helps, BHathorn. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 12:07, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

Hi again BHathorn, I'm glad you're familiar with adding military information in infobox officeholder templates, though I should've initially noted that it's only a section for the entire template and not an individual template. As I noticed in your recent page creation [[Al Bolton|here]], you used an infobox person template but also added an infobox officeholder template, using the latter only for adding military service information. For that situation and likewise future ones, I would recommend simply using only the infobox officeholder template. That way, all the information (military info included) can be included in one template without requiring a second one. Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 23:23, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

== Wording sentences in page creations ==

Hi BHathorn, I noticed in your page creations that the content in some/many of them are mostly copied from the references listed. For example, in [[Robert H. Bolton|here]], much of the information was transferred from [https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/36559508/robert-harvey-bolton this external source]. While you did re-word most of it, it's better to further re-structure the sentences to show that you can present the information in your own words; in addition, there's also the [[Conservapedia:Commandments]] prohibiting copying from other sources. Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 23:52, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

== Move requests ==

Hi BHathorn, I noticed your move request [[Conservapedia:Image_upload_requests#Request_for_spelling_correction_in_title_of_an_article|here]] and just want to give a friendly reminder that [[CP:IUR]] is for upload requests and not move requests. I previously specified that [[Conservapedia:Image_upload_requests#Request_to_change_title_of_article|here]] (and put a short explanation regarding the matter of moving pages) when you made a move request there around two weeks ago. Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 16:37, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

== [[Template:Infobox person]] updated ==

Hi BHathorn, I've got great news! I've just added on to the infobox person template such that military information can be added into it without the need to use an additional infobox officeholder template for edits; for usage, the idea is the exact same as mentioned [[User_talk:BHathorn#Template:Infobox_officeholder_updated|here]] previously ([https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Perry_Adkisson&curid=160589&diff=1674680&oldid=1674070 see here] for example of implementation). Hope this helps for your page creations involving infobox person templates! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Wednesday, 17:56, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

== Question ==

Hi BHathorn, I noticed that you created the [[John T. Watson]] page, then took the source code and created the [[John T. Watkins]] page with it. Based off the content, did you accidentally the create the page initially under "John T. Watson" as a typo? Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Monday, 19:23, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

:Thanks for asking, [[John T. Watson]] is incorrect. [[John T. Watkins]] is correct. Can you delete the former? [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 10:07, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

::I don't have the "delete" or "Administrator" tag, but I'll add a delete notice. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Tuesday, 10:14, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

== Uploading images ==

Hi BHathorn, I've noticed for a while now that you have "Upload" abilities but haven't made any uploads yet. If you are not yet entirely familiar with how to do so, would it help if I provide a thorough step-by-step explanation on uploading files to [[CP]]? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier's mother be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 15:51, 8 September 2020 (EDT)

:Yes, please send instructions, as I have no idea how to Upload. Thanks, [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]])

::Alright then, here's the idea:

:#Find the image online (or your own work) that you want to upload, and make sure it's downloaded to your computer. (note: if you don't intend to keep the image on your computer that you want to upload to CP, only delete it ''after'' successfully uploading it)
:#If you have upload abilities, look the left sidebar on [[CP]], as there should be a link somewhere below "Edit Console" that says "Upload file". Click on it, and you should be at the [[Special:Upload]] page. You can otherwise enter "Special:Upload" in the search bar and reach the page that way.
:#In the "Source file" section, click on "Browse" and double-click on the image you had just downloaded. Glance at the right side pop-up to make sure that it's the correct image you intend to upload. In addition, for "Destination filename" in the "File description" section, a filename should automatically pop up. If the title begins with any number followed by "px-", it's better to remove such, and it's also recommended to replace any appearing underscores with spaces. You can alter any part of the filename except for the ending, which must reflect on the type of image you had downloaded. This means that if the image is a ".jpg", the filename must end in ".jpg", etc.
:#The "Summary" section is technically optional when uploading, but still important to fill in. Depending on what reuse permissions are associated with the image you intend to upload, there are different templates you may need to choose from, including [[Template:USGovt tag]] for public domain, etc. It's important to categorize the images as well, especially with [[:Category:Images]] for every upload, along with other category links based on the topic; for example, if you upload a picture of a Louisiana state representative, you can add in [[:Category:Louisiana]] and [[:Category:State Representatives]].
:#Ignore the final "Licensing" part in the "File description" section, as there's no other option than "None selected".
:#If you followed these steps alright, click on the "Upload file" button at the bottom of the page, and it should work successfully!
::—[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier's mother be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 16:35, 8 September 2020 (EDT)

:::It's important to note also, that unless otherwise specified, any image you find online is under full copyright. Sometimes they will specify that you cannot republish it in the Terms of Service, other times they won't. I would suggest skimming through the ToS on the source site to see what they allow. If they don't list any additional restrictions, it might be acceptable to use the image under the "Fair Use" clause on US copyright law. It is often a grey area. If you are going to use an image under this condition, you need to specify in the summary box who actually owns the copyright, the URL source, and that you are using under "Fair Use." [[:Template:Fair use]] can help with this. If in doubt, assume you can't use it. This is a nuisance, but that's how the law works right now. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:54, 8 September 2020 (EDT)

::Hi again BHathorn, did you try uploading any files yet? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 18:10, 12 September 2020 (EDT)

:I'll look at it again, but I can't follow the instructions. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 18:12, 12 September 2020 (EDT)

::Here's a very basic example for uploading files: if you are trying to upload [https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&thid=AMMS_ad42af47008656504b855215afceca39&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fupload.wikimedia.org%2fwikipedia%2fcommons%2fb%2fb1%2fHale_Boggs.png&exph=556&expw=470&q=hale+boggs&selectedIndex=0&stid=840bb22b-7f66-eb35-9a28-b3aafd3631f9&cbn=EntityAnswer&ajaxhist=0 this image] which you requested on [[CP:IUR]], then firstly right-click the image, click on "Save Image As...", and save it to your computer. Then go to [[Special:Upload]], click on "Browse...", pull up the image you had just saved, and and click on the "Upload File" button at the bottom of the page. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 18:31, 12 September 2020 (EDT)

:Thanks for all your help; I uploaded two dozen or so photos that I already had on my computer. I still cannot figure out how to download photos found on the Internet, such as https://www.lsuagcenter.com/portals/communications/publications/agmag/archive/2014/spring/the-extraordinary-mary-mims .[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 16:27, 13 September 2020 (EDT)
::Glad to help out where I can! And regarding downloading images from the internet, hover your mouse on the image, right-click, click on the "Save Image As..." option, and save it somewhere to your computer, preferably the "Downloads". —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Sunday, 16:41, 13 September 2020 (EDT)

:::That's great! Please do remember to include in the "summary" box the source (such as web address it came from--not the search engine's link, but the actual source website), the license (if copyrighted, this would be "Fair Use"), and a couple categories. [[:Category:Images]] should be added to all images, then ideally one or two other relevant categories. In regard to the image's source, if you did find it using a search engine, then while you have that image selected, please left-click directly on that image, to open the source website. Copy down that link, and include it with your upload. Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:38, 14 September 2020 (EDT)

:O.K., David, I see that you need the actual source website. I will give it a try.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]])

== Info related to 2020 House elections ==

Hi BHathorn, given all your awesome contributions, including additions of biographies on Southern politicians, do you suppose there's anything you can add to the [[2020 U.S. House elections]] page, especially with some information on the Texas candidates? You seem to be an expert in that type of area, and given only around two weeks until the general elections, any more useful information would be very much appreciated. There's also some pages on the candidates that have yet to be created, such as on [[Wendy Davis]], who's challenging incumbent Republican [[Chip Roy]] in a close race. Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Wednesday, 19:14, 14 October 2020 (EDT)

:O.K., I'll try to do this by the weekend.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 23:45, 14 October 2020 (EDT)

::Thank you very much! I've seen some of your articles on U.S. representatives, such as for [[Will Hurd]], and they're fabulous! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Thursday, 23:57, 14 October 2020 (EDT)

:I'm sorry; I forgot to do what I said I would. Just now remembered. I saw that page but I couldn't see what I could do to improve it.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 23:43, 1 November 2020 (EST)

::Ah, don't worry too much about it. Perhaps you could still create some pages on/add some content to U.S. representatives/candidates for House from Texas, though? For example, I don't think we have a page on Pete Sessions, who lost re-election in 2018 to Colin Allred and is running again in a different district. There's also the candidates running to succeed RINO [[Will Hurd]] which I don't believe we have pages for, as well for the Democrat challenger to [[Van Taylor]], etc. I also dunno if there's more information to the pages on [[Lizzie Fletcher]] and [[Wesley Hunt]] I forgot to add. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 23:47, 1 November 2020 (EST)

:The candidate running to succeed Hurd is Republican Tony Gonzalez. I didn't even find his full name, education, occupation, or political history at this point. He is a former military officer and has run a more conservative race than Hurd did. His opponent, liberal Gina Ortiz Jones, lost by a thousand votes to Hurd in 2018 and is being strongly pushed to victory by Pelosi. I'll check on Pete Sessions; his father was FBI chief under GHWB.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]])

==Can someone change the title of an article?==
From [[Maurice Edwin Landrieu]] to Moon Landrieu[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 23:46, 14 October 2020 (EDT)

:Alright, I put a move request on the page; hopefully DavidB4 or someone else with "move" abilities gets to it soon. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Thursday, 00:13, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

::Sure, no problem. I moved it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:31, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

:::Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Thursday, 13:42, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

== Ev and Charlie Show ==

Hi BHathorn, I noticed that you created quite a few pages on some shows. Just curious, are you familiar with the Ev and Charlie Show? I'm thinking about possibly doing a page creation on that sometime, though if your expertise of knowledge includes that, it would be wonderful if you start it! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 20:04, 1 November 2020 (EST)

:Is that a reference to Senator Everett Dirksen and House Republican Leader Charles Halleck in the early 1960s? Gerald Ford toppled Halleck in 1965, and Dirksen died in 1969. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 23:40, 1 November 2020 (EST)

::Yeah, I'm referring to the show about Dirksen and Halleck. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 23:48, 1 November 2020 (EST)

== Just curious ==

Hi BHathorn, I'm just curious, do you have an email address I can contact you with? —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 20:05, 13 November 2020 (EST)

:billyhathorn58@hotmail.com

::Thank you very much, BHathorn! I just sent you an email. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 23:14, 13 November 2020 (EST)

==Proposal==
We would appreciate your input at [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Proposal]]. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)

== Why do famous figures like Genghis Khan have so many spouses? ==

He had so many. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 14:59, 2 March 2021 (EST)

== George Parr ==

Hi BHathorn, since you're an expert on Southern politics/history, would you be interested in starting a CP page on [[George Parr]]? He was the ruthless [[Democrat]] who controlled Duval County, TX (hence "Duke of Duval") and stole the 1948 Senate election for [[Lyndon Johnson]] over Coke R. Stevenson in the primary. It would fit well with the CP pages for Johnson as well as [[William Sessions]], who ultimately prosecuted Parr. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 20:20, 14 March 2021 (EDT)

:I have written a 2020 article on Parr in the publication "Fresh Studies in Rio Grande Valley History." I did not recall Mr. Sessions as the prosecutor. I will try to get something on CP.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 23:01, 14 March 2021 (EDT)

::Awesome, thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 23:23, 14 March 2021 (EDT)

:::Rio Grande Valley History? I know this goes a little farther back than the area most of us are working in, but do you know anything about [[Judge Roy Bean]]? 23:41, 14 March 2021 (EDT)
Yea, quite a bit, he was a KY native; I have visited his grave at a western museum in Del Rio, TX.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 07:17, 15 March 2021 (EDT)

== Does anyone actually know when Danny Roy Moore died? ==

The article claims August 2020 - April 2021, so when did he die? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 20:11, 11 April 2021 (EDT)

I don't know yet. He was alive for his 95th birthday on August 9, 2020, but not for the funeral of his son in April 2021. The son's obit says his father preceded him in death.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 22:58, 11 April 2021 (EDT)

== Need Help ==

@[[User:BHathorn]]

May I please have image for the articles [[Mary Miller]], [[Odilo Globocnik]], and [[Alfred Rosenberg]]?

Here is the image:

Miller:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mary_Miller_117th_U.S_Congress.jpg
Done[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 11:24, 14 April 2021 (EDT)Globocnik:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2007-0188,_Odilo_Globocnik.jpg
I can upload this, but there is no article yet.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 11:24, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

I missed the article because I spelled "Odilo" wrong. It is now uploaded. Let me know if you need more uploads.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 13:00, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

@[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]], I don't know if It is just mobile or not but I can access the page for Odilo.[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 12:46, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Rosenberg:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-1985-0723-500,_Alfred_Rosenberg_headcrop.jpg

Will do next[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 11:24, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 10:57, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

== What infobox should I use for Kings/Queens ==

Infobox person or officeholder since they technically held an office (King) during their life

--[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 13:15, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

"Officeholder," which allows more material in the box than does "person."[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 14:10, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

== Images ==

Can you please add these images to their respective pages?

[[Julius Streicher]]

Streicher:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1997-011-24,_Julius_Streicher.jpg

[[Cynthia Lummis]]

Lummis:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CynthiaLummis.jpg

This photo is too large; I founder her Wikipedia image.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 16:04, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

[[Tom Rice]]

Rice:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tom_Rice,_Official_Portrait,_113th_Congress_-_full.jpg

[[Kat Cammack]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rep._Kat_Cammack_official_photo,_117th_Congress.jpg

Done.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 16:10, 14 April 2021 (EDT)
[[Baldur Von Shirach]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Presidium_of_the_European_Youth_Union_Baldur_von_Schirach_(cropped).jpg

[[Ante Pavelic]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ante_Pavelić_StAF_W_134_Nr._026020_Bild_1_(5-92156-1).jpg

You should already get Ribbentrop's image copied onto here from the link on this page. https://conservapedia.com/File:Joachim_von_Ribbentrop

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 14:38, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

== Wrong Image on one ==

You got the wrong image for [[Joachim von Ribbentrop]]

This is his image:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H04810,_Joachim_von_Ribbentrop.jpg

Others that need image:

[[Burgess Owens]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Burgess_Owens_117th_U.S_Congress.jpg
:Done[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 13:24, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

[[Pol Pot]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PolPot.jpg

Done, but it will not upload for unexplained reason.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]])

[[Ho Chi Minh]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ho_Chi_Minh_1946.jpg
:Couldn't get it to upload. The problem is not the size of photo.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 13:32, 15 April 2021 (EDT)
See: https://conservapedia.com/File:Ho_Chi_Minh_of_Vietnam.jpg

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 09:59, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

== Check it out ==

I made a review of the new members of the 117th congress. [[Essay:117th US House New Members Review]]. Let me know what you think. [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 11:08, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

Enjoyed your essay.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 13:38, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

In spite of all the problems, there are many great new additions to congress. [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 13:46, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

== Images ==

[[Jamaal Bowman]]:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jamaal_Bowman_117th_U.S_Congress.jpg

[[Adolf Eichmann]]:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adolf_Eichmann,_1942.jpg

[[Rudolf Hess]]:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146II-849,_Rudolf_Heß.jpg

[[Daniel Ortega]]:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:01.10_總統與尼加拉瓜總統奧德嘉(José_Daniel_Ortega_Saavedra)雙邊會晤_(32074399712)_(cropped).jpg

[[Ion Antonescu]]:

https://ww2db.com/person_bio.php?person_id=221
:Downloaded, but will not come up on the article itself, just the file photo.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]])
Thanks in advance

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 14:09, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

== Current Image Request ==

[[Min Aung Hlaing]] Please:
:Done[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 13:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)
Image:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Min_Aung_Hlaing_in_April_2019_(cropped).jpg

and [[Gregor Strasser]]
:Downloaded but did not come up on the article page.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 13:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_119-1721,_Gregor_Strasser.jpg

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 10:44, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

== Will this image for Strasser work? ==

[[Gregor Strasser]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gregor_Strasser.jpg

Also [[Victoria Spartz]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Victoria_Spartz_117th_U.S_Congress.jpg

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 14:53, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

== Hey. ==

Is it just me or is the user Djsasso on Simple English Wikipedia so unfriendly? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 15:51, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

:All I know is if you are looking for courtesy and friendliness, stay away from Wikipedia.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 10:59, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

== Image Request: Aung San Suu Kyi ==

Do I need to post it at Image Requests? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 21:48, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

== Great News! ==

New Caucus:

[[America First Caucus]]

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 10:44, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

@[[User:BHathorn]]

Isn't it excellent news? [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 11:23, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

== Images Please ==

[[Gregor Strasser]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gregor_Strasser.jpg

[[Anton Drexler]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anton_Drexler_at_desk.jpg

[[Than Shwe]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Than_Shwe_2010-10-11.jpg

[[Idi Amin]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Idi_Amin_-Archives_New_Zealand_AAWV_23583,_KIRK1,_5(B),_R23930288.jpg
:All four done.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 15:33, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 12:22, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

== Images Please ==

[[Andy Harris]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Andy_Harris_115th_Congress_(cropped).jpg

[[Scott Perry]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Scott_Perry,_official_portrait,_116th_congress.jpg

[[Peter Meijer]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rep._Peter_Meijer_official_photo_117th_Congress.jpg

[[Wilhelm Frick]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wilhelm_Frick.jpg

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 10:35, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
:All done![[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 23:19, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

== Question ==

Is it ok to remake a deleted article (example:https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gruffudd_ap_Llywelyn_ap_Iorwerth&action=edit&redlink=1) or not? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 14:43, 20 April 2021 (EDT)

:Yes.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 14:44, 20 April 2021 (EDT)

== Images Please ==

[[Miguel Díaz-Canel]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Miguel_D%C3%ADaz-Canel_2019.jpg

[[Arthur Seyss-Inquart]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Arthur_Seyss-Inquart_(cropped).jpg

[[Alex Mooney]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Alex_Mooney_Congress.jpg

[[Byron Donalds]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rep._Byron_Donalds_official_photo,_117th_Congress.jpg

[[Vyacheslav Molotov]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vyacheslav_Molotov_Anefo2.jpg
:All done![[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 11:40, 21 April 2021 (EDT)
Thank you in advance

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 10:41, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

== Images Please ==

[[Warren Davidson]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Warren_Davidson_Congressional_Portrait_ca2017.jpg

[[Marie Newman]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Marie_Newman_Official_Portrait.jpg

[[Karl Heinrich Emil Becker]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H27401,_Karl_Becker.jpg

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 11:20, 23 April 2021 (EDT)

== If you know ==

make sure to add any RINOs to the new article [[List of RINOs in the 117th Congress of the United States]]

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 12:18, 23 April 2021 (EDT)

== Image Please ==

[[Slobodan Milosevic]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stevan_Kragujevic,_Slobodan_Milosevic,_portret.jpg

[[Debbie Lesko]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Debbie_Lesko,_official_portrait,_115th_Congress.jpg

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 11:04, 24 April 2021 (EDT)
:Will upload it on Monday[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 15:27, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

== Question about John Tower ==

Hi BHathorn, I'm just wondering, what do you know about John Tower's opposition to the [[Civil Rights Act of 1964]]? Was he like Goldwater who opposed it on libertarian grounds, or was he opposed to [[civil rights]] in general like the Southern [[segregation]]ists were? [https://www.southwestern.edu/live/news/12582-john-towers-long-hot-summer-of-1967 This article] seems to provide some details, though not much info on his positions for the landmark 1964 bill. There's also [https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/jslh21&div=12 this], which I can't read without having an account for the site to log in to. What's interesting is that Tower [https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s302 opposed invoking cloture on the filibuster] though also opposed some attempts to weaken the legislation, including the [https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s408 Gore amendment] which [https://nationalcenter.org/project21/1999/05/01/blacks-gored-by-a-lie-al-gore-sr-the-gop-and-the-civil-rights-act-of-1964-by-r-d-davis/ "sought to take the teeth out of the Act"]. Even more interesting enough, Tower's liberal Democrat colleague [[Ralph Yarborough]], who often is cited as pro-civil rights, voted ''for'' the Gore Amendment. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 20:45, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

:I couldn't find if Tower was ever a segregationist, but for his first two terms (1961-1973) he was very to reliably conservative. He backed his rival, LBJ, on the Vietnam War. Johnson once said that Tower had given him far more support for the war than had Johnson's own party. Then in his last two terms he became a part of the Moderate Republican establishment and supported abortion and opposed the Strategic Defense Initiative proposed by Reagan. He and Goldwater opposed the 1964 law on libertarian grounds, but the Libertarian Party was not born until 1972. Tower was nominated for defense secretary under GHWB but fell short, with a few Republicans opposed him. The post then went to Liz Cheney's father.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:26, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

::Interesting. And I'm also wondering, would you generally associate conservatism to opposing civil rights and liberalism to supporting such? Based on what you've written for the CP article on Tower and several other pages, that's kind of the impression I've gotten. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 21:35, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

:Quite a few segregationists were considered conservative, Harry Byrd, Strom Thurmond, among them. There were also liberal segregationists, J. William Fulbright, Al Gore, Sr., Lister Hill. There were some Republican segregationists, but the six Republicans, including Tower, Norris Cotton, Milward Simpson, and Bourke Hickenlooper, who voted against the 1964 law, were not segregationists. Simpson of WY had even signed a state civil rights act when he was governor.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:00, 26 April 2021 (EDT)

::We're planning an [[Anti-lynching law]] article, and we've found similar arguments. [[Pat McCarran]] did not oppose it because he was a racist or segregationist. He opposed it cause the law targetted police who did not protect citizens from the "mob", meaning Chicago cops could be prosecuted for the Valentine's Day massacre while Al Capone got off scot-free, and the law would not stand up in SCOTUS. it was "cosmetic" legislation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:13, 26 April 2021 (EDT)

:Some segregationists thought Goldwater was one of them, but he was not a segregationist, having pushed for integration of the Arizona National Guard. He opposed the Civil Right Act of 1964, which put him at odds with most Republican leaders, who had long favored civil rights. He later expressed regret over his vote, as did John Tower. In time both moved to the left in their party. The Goldwater of the 1980s was far different from the Goldwater of the 1960s.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 07:30, 27 April 2021 (EDT)

== Just curious... ==

Hi BHathorn, I'm just curious, would you like to sign up for this recently started [[Wikiproject:History|wikiproject on history]]? You can put down titles for pages that you'd like to see created and/or expanded. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 00:27, 27 April 2021 (EDT)
:I'll join.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 07:26, 27 April 2021 (EDT)

== Image Please ==

[[Dan Newhouse]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dan_Newhouse_official_congressional_photo.jpg

[[Ted Budd]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ted_Budd_official_portrait,_115th_Congress.jpg

[[Andrew Clyde]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Andrew_Clyde_117th_U.S_Congress.jpg

[[Jozef Tiso]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2010-0049,_Josef_Tiso.jpg

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 12:08, 28 April 2021 (EDT)

: All done[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 15:04, 28 April 2021 (EDT)

== Images Please ==

Herschel Walker

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Herschel_Walker_in_May_2018.jpg

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 12:10, 2 May 2021 (EDT)

== Images please ==

[[Paul Mitchell]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Paul_Mitchell_official_congressional_photo.jpg

[[James Lankford]]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:James_Lankford_official_Senate_photo.jpg

[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 19:00, 6 May 2021 (EDT)

== Your page creation on H. R. Gross is excellent! ==

And just curious, are you going to create many more pages on Northern Republican politicians from the 1950s–60s era anytime soon? Those types of articles you write and work on are always splendid. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 20:14, 7 May 2021 (EDT)

:Who would you like to have in an article? Already done Javits, Lindsay, D'Amato, Norris Cotton, Milward Simpson, Bourke Hickenlooper (IA), Charles McNary.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:08, 7 May 2021 (EDT)

::I'm thinking we could use some more articles on the Republicans who opposed the censure of Joseph McCarthy; I already started the pages for [[William F. Knowland]], [[Eugene Millikin]], [[Herman Welker]], and [[William Purtell]]. If you're also familiar on Moderate Republicans from the time period similar to those like Kuchel, Javits, and Rockefeller, those would make great articles too.
::In addition (I should've specified this initially as well), I had also been thinking that there are some important Northern Democrat figures from the time period as well that could have some articles on, like James Murray, Warren Magnuson, Wayne Morse, and Joseph O'Mahoney. I read from a column by [[Ann Coulter]] that they opposed the [[1957 Civil Rights Act]], which very likely has to do with some amendment votes. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 21:25, 7 May 2021 (EDT)

:Kuchel, Rockefeller, Javits already done. I had Knowland on my list but have not yet done anything on it.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]])

==Can someone change the headline of this article from Jr., to Sr.?==
Sinclair Bert Kouns, Jr., to Kouns, Sr.[[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 11:38, 11 May 2021 (EDT)
:I just put a move request on the page. Hopefully someone with the "move" and/or "Administrator" tag will get to it soon. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 13:35, 11 May 2021 (EDT)

== Friendly editor notice about a discussion ==

Hey BHathorn. I just wanted to let you know I started a discussion about new content (Maybe a new article for it) about content on Wikipedia. You can see the discussion here: [[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Discussion for a possible new Wikipedia Article]]. I am letting the active editors know about the discussion. Feel free to drop your opinion in it! --[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 18:19, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

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==Skip captcha!==
I got skip captcha! I have a question: What is it? Is a virus? (Just a joke) I love proving I am not a robot as much as the next guy, but does this mean I have a certain, specific role in this wiki project? Let me know. - --[[User:CharlesShirley|CharlesShirley]] ([[User talk:CharlesShirley|talk]]) 11:31, 16 January 2021 (EST)
:This was my first edit after getting it, so I assume it means that I do not have to tell the computers who the second book of the Old Testament any longer, right? Or did I get it wrong? - --[[User:CharlesShirley|CharlesShirley]] ([[User talk:CharlesShirley|talk]]) 11:33, 16 January 2021 (EST)

==Suggestion==
I would suggest you drop the Punish Joe Biden moniker unless you want the Secret Service [[gestapo]] giving you a colorectal exam. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:55, 17 January 2021 (EST)
:Already did --[[User:Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 19:05, 17 January 2021 (EST)

== Win95 page ==

Hi, 
I'm noticing that the addition you made to [[Windows 95]] looks a lot like what Wikipedia has...did you write this text yourself, or did some of it come from other people on Wikipedia? 
Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:38, 18 January 2021 (EST)
:Its a placeholder, im writing the entire thing now, i'm using another tab to type this. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 14:39, 18 January 2021 (EST)
:What I meant is that i'm writing the entire article again. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 14:39, 18 January 2021 (EST)

::Ok, sounds good. That article looks a little...sad...right now. I'm glad to see hear you are working on it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:47, 18 January 2021 (EST)

==Proposal==
We would appreciate your input at [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Proposal]]. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)
:This would be place, for example, for an editor to register a complaint against a sysop for abuse of blocking power. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:03, 1 February 2021 (EST)
::Alright, I’m gonna place my feedback in. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 22:04, 1 February 2021 (EST)

==Wildlife infobox heading==
I reverted your edit to the [[Eurasian Blue Tit]]. What it did was to make the heading too wordy and weighty, so it was unnecessary. However, in the portion of the infobox labled "caption" I generally place a name / scientific name there, and usually if the image shows a specific subspecies, or if the article is of a group of species. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 15:46, 9 February 2021 (EST)
:With regard to this particular bird, I have not been able to identify the subspecies. If you are able to do so, place the scientific name in the caption section. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 15:49, 9 February 2021 (EST)
::Just confirming that I have received and read the message above. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 16:01, 9 February 2021 (EST)

== Re: Why are you and rob fighting ==

In response to your question, I'll repost what I originally posted before Rob removed it under his false claim of "flaming":

This goes back to a post RobS left on my talk page last January that falsely accused me of "trolling",[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Northwest&diff=1727043&oldid=1723059] and when I confronted him about it and suggested that the link in that post had caused him to become irrational and go rogue,[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:RobSmith&diff=next&oldid=1727221] and I also removed that post in my talk page,[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Northwest&diff=prev&oldid=1727227] he proceeded to unjustly block me on a dubious claim of "reverting a sysop warning" (which really was nothing more that him resorting to trolling me himself with that post), then he blocked me four more times after that for dubious and unjust reasons, such as for "undoing the actions of a sysop" (i.e. his hiding of comments made by another editor, Pokeria1, by putting a warning template around the comments to hide them[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=prev&oldid=1727256] and adding uncivil snark in his reasoning for hiding the comments because he did not like what Pokeria1 had to say, followed by my removal of the template to reveal the comments and make them known[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=prev&oldid=1727263]) and another false accusation of "trolling" for calling out what he was doing.[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=prev&oldid=1727315] Karajou subsequently unblocked me and called out what RobS was doing for what it is, an abuse of power. RobS also proceeded to make more false accusations against me and other posters in the time since[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=prev&oldid=1727315#RobS][https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Northwest&diff=next&oldid=1728469] and even denied (and continues to do so) what he did wrong[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:RobSmith&diff=prev&oldid=1728471] and followed that with further incivility (which violates [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Civility|Conservapedia guidelines regarding civility]]) and snark[https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:RobSmith&diff=1728473&oldid=1728471] on his part, which he continued with right up until Andy revoked his administration and sysop powers. That should bring context to the whole issue. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 01:45, 20 February 2021 (EST)
:So making false accusations is a blocakable and bannable offense, for example, that I am in bed with the founder of Rationalwiki? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:52, 4 March 2021 (EST)

==Don't copy from Wikipedia==
Wikipedia is down the street for a reason. Whatever you write, make it your own work. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 18:43, 4 March 2021 (EST)

== Re: Republic of Molossia ==

Just wondering, but is this even notable in any way (like via references)? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 04:21, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Molossia | It's classed as a Dictatorship ruled Micronation, it is notable and many people know what Molossia is, the only people living their are the so called "Baugh Clan", which is for people related by blood or marriage, it also has its own website: http://molossia.org/, they seem to get a decent amount of views per day from different countries, not just the USA. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 04:27, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
:Adding on to that, he claims thousands of people wanted citizenship in his micronation but he insists on keeping the "Baugh Clan" only. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 04:29, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

== Re: Question ==

He identified as a socialist, so I'd go with the dictator infobox. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 19:38, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

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== Move request ==

Hallo. I need your help to move two pages as I made errors in their titles.

One of them is "Sarah Brown Liberal Democrat".
It has been suggested I change this to "Sarah Brown (UK Politician)" as most readers are American. I just need to figure out how to do this.

The second is "Jane Samantha Fae alias John Ozimek" which should read Jane Francesca Fae. I would be very grateful if you could please shift those for me. [[User:GraceDalrymple|GraceDalrymple]]

:Yes, I saw the discussion. I have moved those two pages, as requested. Moving pages is restricted to administrators and SysOps, so it is not your fault, as if you just can't figure out how to move pages...the wiki will not let you. No need to feel bad about it!
:I am happy to help, so just let me know if/when you need further assistance. It's no trouble! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:41, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move [[Qanon]] to [[QAnon]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
:In addition to the above, would you please move [[:Category:Christian social reformers]] for capitalization. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:58, 4 November 2018 (EST)
::Both done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:00, 6 November 2018 (EST)

Another move request: would you please fix the spelling error in this image title (the word "official" specifically)? [[:File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:15, 1 December 2018 (EST)

:I think that actually may be deliberate (see: https://www.facebook.com/Enrique-Peña-Nieto-Oficial-1708563375863631). I don't mind moving it if you still think that is needed, but it is protected so someone will need to unlock it first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:28, 1 December 2018 (EST)

::Good point -- it's probably Spanish. However, we are an English-language encyclopedia, so it might still be good to change it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:38, 3 December 2018 (EST)

:::My Spanish is very rusty, but that was my assumption. I'm fine with moving it though. Want me to ask Andy to unlock it? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:30, 3 December 2018 (EST)

::::I would appreciate that. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 3 December 2018 (EST)

:::::Done! [[:File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:05, 4 December 2018 (EST)

::::::Would you please move this page to capitalize the "M": [[Javier milei]]? Also, please watch your email. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:03, 6 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::Moved. I just thinking about email... --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:05, 6 December 2018 (EST)

::::::::Would you please move [[Ilana mercer]] to [[Ilana Mercer]] and delete the new redirect? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:48, 11 December 2018 (EST)

Done. I have been sometimes leaving the redirects (for a while) so that new editors who don't know how to use RC can still find their pages. However, that may be unnecessary, and since I see you usually delete the redirect anyway, I will plan on just deleting the redirect in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:29, 11 December 2018 (EST)
:Thanks! Regarding redirects, I guess it depends on the specific article. I'm fine deciding case-by-case, since redirects might be more necessary for some articles over others. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:36, 11 December 2018 (EST)
::Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[Eastern Empires vs Western Empires]] to be an essay? I would rather delete it, but it just seems like a low-quality opinion article that could just be reformatted as such. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 20 December 2018 (EST)

:::Done. I was tempted to delete it also, especially considering that it seems to have been made by a disposable account. However, I was waiting to see what others thought. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:02, 20 December 2018 (EST)

While I'm reluctant to rename my "Donald Trump achievements" articles so long after creation, it probably would be a good idea to move [[Donald Trump achievements: Immigration, illegal immigration, and border security]] to [[Donald Trump achievements: Immigration and border security]]. If you agree this is a good idea, would you please do it, and would you then delete the redirect and change every link where I (or someone else) has linked it? Then, I will begin doing the 2-3 article splits I told you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:35, 31 December 2018 (EST)

:I agree--that is a repetitive name, so a move makes sense. I have moved the page, and clean up most of the links to the old name. However, I have a little bit of a time crunch right now, so I'm going to need to leave one thing undone: [[Donald Trump]] needs to be unlocked so the link can be updated. I can ask for the unlock later, or you can if you get there first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:02, 31 December 2018 (EST)

Would you please move the article [[Conservative Revolution]] to the "essay" namespace? I don't want to delete it outright, but the article isn't suitable as an encyclopedia article, considering the use of second person, lack of intro paragraph, and the fact it seems to be making an argument like an essay. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:44, 1 July 2019 (EDT)
:Also, please move the article [[Edward feser]] to capitalize the guy's last name. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:16, 5 July 2019 (EDT)
::Also, do you see any problem with these articles: [[Generation Identity]], [[European New Right]]? Either way, they need formatting work. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:56, 5 July 2019 (EDT)

:::I see no glaring issues, on the surface, although the formatting of [[Generation Identity]] suggests that it came from a Wiki. I didn't find any problems with a standard plagiarism check. It needs some cleanup though. [[European New Right]] looks incomplete and need expansion. No glaring issues though.
:::I've moved these pages. Sorry for the wait. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:21, 5 July 2019 (EDT)
::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:49, 6 July 2019 (EDT)
:::::Would you please move [[Wwe roster]] to capitalize "WWE"? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 10 July 2019 (EDT)

::::::Good idea. I've moved it, but left the redirect for now, so the author doesn't "loose" the page. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:23, 10 July 2019 (EDT)

==Hi==
hi and thank you for move sugguestion to sting. [[User:Massaq25|Massaq25]] ([[User talk:Massaq25|talk]]) 18:23, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
:Hello, and you're welcome! Do you agree? I'm open to other suggestions, I just don't think that "sting" is a sufficiently descriptive title. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:27, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
::DavidB4, I would appreciate it if you would move the page now. No need for a move tag (nobody's going to comment there anyway). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:29, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
:::Moved to [[Steve Borden]] with a redirect from "Sting (wrestler)" --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 30 September 2018 (EDT)

== Quotes ==
Those quotes weren't my own, you should know that, they're from actual people. Also, if it's debatable, then please by all means...refute me. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 02:48, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:I'm obviously not DavidB4, but I will still point out that a simple Google search shows it's very debatable: [https://health.usnews.com/health-news/health-wellness/articles/2014/07/07/is-abstinence-unhealthy 1],[http://www.nbcnews.com/id/36084314/ns/health-sexual_health/t/no-sex-may-be-no-fun-it-unhealthy/#.XAKfVmhKhPY 2],[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/09/sex-celibacy-friendships-women 3],[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1077378/I-gave-sex-years-ago--best-thing-I-did.html 4] -- the info you added was undue weight, considering the overall size of the article, and it falsely implied that abstinence is a bad thing for your health. It appears that it is only when you really want to have sex and you don't. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:58, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::Yes, it was a very one-sided argument, which is factually questionable. Without getting unnecessarily descriptive, the body does have ways of dealing with some of the stated issues. Research is sketchy if even existent on several of the things you mentioned. Additionally, the first paragraph was written as your own, mot a quote, even though is was a direct copy-and-paste from another source. (That is by definition plagiarism--taking credit for someone else's work.) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:03, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::: ''So what are the health benefits of sex, besides relieving stress and helping you fall asleep? Studies have shown that regular sex has a protective effect on the heart, lowering the risk of heart attack in men. For both men and women, “It increases blood flow to the genitals and probably helps the immune system,” Herbenick says. “All things being equal, it’s also fun when things are going well [in your relationship.]”
''So abstaining – especially long-term – can carry some physical consequences. In women, it can cause the atrophying of underused vaginal or hip muscles, Lindau says. Vaginismus is a common condition characterized by hypersensitivity of the muscles around the opening of the vagina, she adds. Those muscles – along with the pelvic floor muscles – are important for controlling penetration, and they need to be in a relaxed state during sexual intercourse. If they are hyper-contracted – not necessarily from abstinence itself, but accumulated fear or anticipation of the first sexual experience – sex can be very painful. “They say it feels like he’s hit a wall,” Lindausays, adding that vaginismus can be treated.''

I said refute me, but instead you give me extra arguments. Thank you so much. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 14:20, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:Neither of us are arguing that sex is bad or harmful -- all of the articles I cited said that sex can be good, but abstinence can also be good. You're committing a fallacy by assuming that just because sex is good means that abstinence is bad.
:Unless you get STDs or anything like that from sex, it is just as good as abstinence. The articles made it clear that abstinence does not have harmful side-effects. You need to read the cited articles better. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:30, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::: I guess the only real way to settle this is to get actual data from the field. [[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 15:18, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::::Makuta, are you pushing sex outside of marriage between husband and wife in this website? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 15:37, 1 December 2018 (EST)
:::::No, I'm pushing for knowledge of the dangers of lifelong abstinence. But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it so why are you asking? --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 20:22, 1 December 2018 (EST)
::::::"''dangers of lifelong abstinence''" -- That's ridiculous, and choosing not to have sex (especially outside of heterosexual marriage) is normal, and sex outside of marriage can actually be dangerous (if there are STDs involved). Many people have been abstinent and turned out just fine. You're distorting the facts to make it seem like it's a necessity to have sex in order to be healthy, and if you don't there's a medical problem, when in reality neither option is inherently harmful.
::::::"''But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it''" If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:44, 1 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::"''If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it.''"

:::::::Haha! '''Can'''... --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 21:34, 1 December 2018 (EST)

::::::::Want me to turn it into a "'''Will'''"? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:54, 1 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::::Action without cause. To pardon is true power but you have nothing to pardon, I'm giving you no trouble. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 22:01, 1 December 2018 (EST)

Makuta Makaveli either has an agenda, or gets his/her information from people who have an agenda to promote casual sex by making abstinence look like a "health hazard." The Atheist YouTuber "MrRepzion" also claimed that one needed to have "trial sex" to see if the two are "sexually compatible." It would help CP if the articles had information debunking these claims [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 12:08, 2 December 2018 (EST)

:Most people argue that there is "no harm" in casual sex--that has become a common claim (although some say is is risky due to STDs). Because of this, there are plentiful materials arguing that claim. However, it is much harder to find support for this claim that is is actually unhealthy to abstain by choice. I've seen a few unscientific blog posts, etc. about it, but nothing verifiable. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist (there is always someone willing to write a paper on some fringe belief which people want to hear--just look at chocolate, for example, where they like to disregard the health costs of sugar and just look at the pure chocolate, which by the way tastes pretty bad on its own) but I'm not finding proof.
:Shobson20, the "try it before you buy it" idea is certainly nothing new in personal relationships. I suspect you are correct in linking these two, as people who would like to engage in this practice would like to have something like this to point to as a defense for their actions. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 3 December 2018 (EST)

== Why did I get blocked by "Minuteman?" ==

I was fixing the damage that "My password is green" was doing. I sometimes notice vandals before CP's admins do, and sometimes I try to help. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 19:23, 15 December 2018 (EST)

:I replied to your email. You did nothing wrong. Thank you for your vigilance, and I apologize for this! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:30, 15 December 2018 (EST)

::What are the qualifications for becoming a sysop on this site? I would like to be able to help by stopping the trolls and vandals who frequently attack this site. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 19:38, 15 December 2018 (EST)

:::As best I can tell, there is no official criteria. However, this page might be useful to answer some basic questions: [[Conservapedia:User_rights]]. Typically, SysOp rights are given to users who have been editing for some time, and proven themselves trustworthy. I don't think there is a specific checklist that you can do, to get these rights. However, the one responsible for promotions is [[User:Aschlafly]], so you might be able to get a better idea from him as to what he specifically looks for. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:59, 15 December 2018 (EST)

I too have just been blocked by {{user|Minuteman}}. I copied over the WP article for [[anarcho-conservatism]], which the WP zealots are about to delete. The text there is mine, though most of the article is still in quotes from references, as more text is needed (hence why I brought it here). — [[User:WisdomTooth3|WisdomTooth3]] ([[User talk:WisdomTooth3|talk]]) 00:17, 1 January 2019 (EST)

:You were blocked for one hour so we could review what you were doing, because you were importing a page from WP which looked a bit like plagiarism. Since it is your own writing, then you may recreate that page, but it could use some improvements. Namely, the quotes themselves can use work, as they do not provide context. If you intend to make further improvements to the page, then we welcome our efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 1 January 2019 (EST)
::Per [[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]]'s suggestion, recreated it [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:WisdomTooth3/Sandbox/Anarcho-conservatism here]. Not sure when I'll be able to improve it. Please feel free to chip in. — [[User:WisdomTooth3|WisdomTooth3]] ([[User talk:WisdomTooth3|talk]]) 03:20, 2 January 2019 (EST)

:::Thank you! I am not a subject matter expert on that topic, so I don't know how much help I can be, but I will look it over later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:32, 2 January 2019 (EST)
::::By the way, it is probably not helpful for the article to link to itself. Unless they point to a specific part of the page, they should probably be removed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:42, 2 January 2019 (EST)

== Merge proposal ==

What do you think about this merge request: [[Talk:Carbon cycle (astronomy)]]? I am inclined to support it, but it's probably a good idea to get more than one opinion on it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:32, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:I've never really studies that specific topic, but the proposal sounds fine to me. I looked up "carbon cycle" and found a great deal of information, but on the wrong topic. From my limited understanding, a merge sounds like a good idea. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:30, 29 December 2018 (EST)
== tag at bottom of pages "quotation templates" ==

Many of the content pages I create use quotes of other web content. At the bottom of the articles I created using quotes, there is a tag at the bottom of the pages indicating "quotation templates". This is a new and unwanted development.

For example, please look at the bottom of this web page: [[Atheism and mental illness]].

Can we get the "quotation templates" tag to not be there. Before they never used to be there. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:I made a small mistake, but cannot fix it until [[:template:cquote]] is unlocked again. I'm sorry about that--I should have noticed sooner. Someone needs to add the "noinclude" tags to the category link. If someone unlocks the page, I will fix the issue. Again, sorry about that! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:23, 29 December 2018 (EST)
::I unlocked the page.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:25, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks, I believe I fixed it. You can lock it again. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:36, 29 December 2018 (EST)
::::Thanks for fixing the issue. I appreciate it.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)

:::::Any time! Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:46, 29 December 2018 (EST)

== Request ==

Would you please check [[Alejandro Garcia Padilla]] for originality? It could be, but many of the refs are formatted like on Wikipedia. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 30 December 2018 (EST)

:Of course! It definitely originated from WP. Slightly edited, but still copied. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_García_Padilla --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:12, 30 December 2018 (EST)

::You beat me to it. Obvious copy from WP, with slight alterations. You don't need to check reference format; just check the text. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:19, 30 December 2018 (EST)

:::Would you please delete all the portions that are copied? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:42, 30 December 2018 (EST)

::::I'll take another look, but I think the whole thing needs to go. Also, this is not the first time. See: [[User_talk:HectorCruz66#Originality]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:45, 30 December 2018 (EST)
:::::Oh, and I didn't mean to ignore you, Sam. Thanks for checking also! You're right--just looking at the pages shows all you need to know. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:54, 30 December 2018 (EST)
::::::Deleting it, then, is the best option. Would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:22, 30 December 2018 (EST)

:::::::Sure. I'm still looking at it, but sure, I'll delete it unless I find a reason not to. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:37, 30 December 2018 (EST)

Would you please check the page [[James Ritchey]] to see if there's anything problematic (in general, not just originality, since it's two sentences long)? If there's nothing, I guess we can keep it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:45, 17 January 2019 (EST)

:Well, he exists. It seems he's a small-time actor who has been in a few movies I've never heard of, and is barely active on YouTube. This does seem to be relatively original text...all two sentences of it.
:So on to the negative, I firstly find the wording "internet celebrity" rather questionable. I don't see anything suggesting that title. I could be missing something, but from what I'm seeing, he looks more like a wannabe celebrity. Each of his youtube videos has between 1K and 7K views. Assuming those views were not farmed, that still seems a ways away from the numbers a celebrity would have. He second most viewed video seems to be review of a water bottle....I didn't watch it to find out if it is sponsored.
:I suspect he is trying to make a name for himself, which slots this "article" into a suspicious category anyway.
:Bottom line, there is nothing blatantly wrong, but I see why you were questioning it. This smells fishy. I'd be included to nuke it for a lack of notability, but I'm okay with keeping it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:31, 17 January 2019 (EST)

::Oh, and a couple search engines (at least Yahoo and Yandex [and therefore DuckDuckGo]) have already crawled this page, and added it to the first page of results from searching his name. I used a clean OS and browser, so no user history bias there. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)

:::If you think that page is an advertisement (which is very likely), then I am perfectly fine deleting it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:18, 17 January 2019 (EST)

::::Ok, I think I'll delete it then. Too many suspicious factors. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)

Assuming we should keep this essay (I shouldn't jump to conclusions), it should be moved so we have a colon: [[Essay History of racism and the Democrats]]. Unrelated, there's no mention of how Reconstruction Democrats passed gun control laws to prevent black people from engaging in self-defense. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:48, 18 January 2019 (EST)

:I hadn't gotten the chance to review it yet. I'm moved the page, but I think it might be helpful to keep the redirect for the moment. This seems like a reasonably good essay, so I'm find with keeping it. I will send you an email shortly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:29, 19 January 2019 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, I am wondering if any of these images would be acceptable for me to upload (regarding licensing): [https://twitter.com/VP/status/1085692630246350848][https://twitter.com/scavino45/status/1010232867501363200][https://twitter.com/vp/status/1010293228619419648] Also, I am wondering if you know of any free images of the Trump Administration deployment of troops along the border with Mexico late last year? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:18, 20 January 2019 (EST)

:Hi, Twitter is always a little iffy, but these are probably okay. Firstly, images made by an employee of the U.S. government as a part of their duties are automatically in the Public Domain. Secondly, a number of other users here republish twitter images under "Fair use." The first one is ideal, so if this is the case as it looks, use one or more of them for this reason.
:I do not know of any images of troops at the border, and couldn't find any good ones after a quick check. I will look a little more later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 20 January 2019 (EST)
::Thanks! Would you please look over this image to make sure there aren't any problems? [[:File:Donald Trump Angel Families.jpg]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:46, 21 January 2019 (EST)

:::Any time! I do find it a little questionable that Pence took that photo. However, if it was one of his aids, it is still PD. However, if it was taken by the press, it is probably not. I don't know if there is a way to find out who actually took it, since this is a Twitter post. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:05, 21 January 2019 (EST)

::::I don't know where to find who took the picture. I'm assuming it's his office, since I don't see why his office would rely on the media for such a picture.

::::Also, I don't know where else to find a picture of this specific event. I checked the White House's Flickr page, among other pages, but couldn't find anything. If you are able to find a better image, I would appreciate it (you don't have to, though). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2019 (EST)

:::::I'm not having much luck either. Let's just go with what you have. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:50, 21 January 2019 (EST)

::::::OK. I wish it were easier to find a free picture of this event, but oh well. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:01, 21 January 2019 (EST)

:::::::Considering all of the cameras in that room, it does seem surprising. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:05, 21 January 2019 (EST)
:::::::Oh, second person to the left of Trump is Pence, so he definitely was not holding the camera :) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 21 January 2019 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, would you please check the newly-created article [[Athanasio Celia]] for originality, and to make quality improvements if you have the time? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:10, 9 February 2019 (EST)

:Hello, it looks like this is a (perhaps slightly revised) copy of an old version of the WP page on the subject. I did not dig through WP, but I'm seeing matches to here: [https://www.amazon.com/Athanasio-Celia/e/B07BG9GB3J%3Fref=dbs_a_mng_rwt_scns_share] which is an Amazon page quoting WP, and here: [https://en.everybodywiki.com/Athanasio_Celia] which is probably plagiarism as well. This was not a complete match anywhere my tools saw--more like a 30% match or so. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:40, 9 February 2019 (EST)
::Do you think it should be deleted? Either way, the page has formatting/copyedit issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:41, 9 February 2019 (EST)

:::It looks like WP deleted it, but "everybodywiki.com" saved a copy. It looks like we should delete it unless we can verify that the original author was the one to post it here. It is worth finding that out first, as it is not uncommon for us to get rescued paged from WP editors. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:49, 9 February 2019 (EST)
::::While we're waiting for the above page to get sorted out, would you please move the page [[Indian struggle]] to [[The Indian Struggle]]? Also, there should probably be a [[Indian Struggle]] page. This whole thing is a mess right now. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 11 February 2019 (EST)
::::Also, if you would take a look at this page, I would appreciate it: [[Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:38, 11 February 2019 (EST)

:::::I am very busy right now, but have moved that page as requested. I will deal with the other issues soon. If I don't do so within a week, feel free to remind me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:38, 11 February 2019 (EST)

::::::Oh dear....Okay, some of that page might be original, but at least some parts, including the fact list are definitely not original. That list is all over the internet. This page: [https://www.libertynation.com/ocasio-cortez-and-the-nazi-connection/] is one possible place this may have come from, but if you take a look at a web search of the any one "fact," you will see that that it is all over the place. It's going to be hard to nail down where it actually came from. In any case, we should challenge it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:05, 12 February 2019 (EST)

== Page improvement ==

Hello DavidB4, it might be worth taking a look at and moving this article: [[Template:Examples of Liberal Bias]]

I think it should probably be moved to a mainspace article or at least have its formatting improved. For example, the template is transcluded in the [[Liberal bias]] article, and if you look at the table of contents, starting at the first "See also" section and below, the template transclusion messes things up. Of course, whether we move this article to mainspace or simply do some formatting fixes, it's going to take some work to get this done. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:44, 28 January 2019 (EST)

:I see what you mean; it is as if someone wanted this to both be a template and a standalone page. It must be one or the other. If it was unlocked, I think I could fix it to work properly as a template, but it would not be a good standalone page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:50, 29 January 2019 (EST)
::It looks better to me. What do you think...Have I missed any issues? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:27, 29 January 2019 (EST)
:::Looks good to me! The only issue is the double space below the template, as you can see at the [[Liberal bias]] article -- this isn't a big deal, though. It seems to me that the "See also" link on the template is kind of useless (unless someone directly accesses the template, and considering the [[Examples of Liberal Bias]] redirect, that might happen). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:56, 29 January 2019 (EST)
::::Good point, I'd missed that spacing issue, but I think I've fixed it now. That see also link is not included when the page is transcluded, but only shows on the template page itself. I figured that was a reasonable compromise. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:36, 29 January 2019 (EST)
:::::I think it is a reasonable compromise -- thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:21, 29 January 2019 (EST)

== Article move request ==

It might be worth considering moving [[Jane Samantha Fae]] to [[Jane Francesca Fae alias John Ozimek]] -- that's what User:GraceDalrymple did, but how she did it was very poor, simply blanking one page and creating the other one, and she didn't make the first page a proper redirect. For the record, this page appears to be of someone born a male and who now identifies as a woman, so the current female name title may not be appropriate. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:00, 2 March 2019 (EST)
:I'm willing to make the move, but this name makes it sound like "John Ozimek" is the alias, while "Jane Francesca Fae" is the real name. Jane should be first in such a page name, though, since that's probably what someone is going to search for. If I was making the page, I would probably just call it "Jane Francesca" or else put something parenthetical afterwards, like "Jane Francesca Fae (John Ozimek)". If you think "Jane Francesca Fae alias John Ozimek" is best, though, I'll do it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:40, 2 March 2019 (EST)
::I'm thinking it should simply be moved to his real name, John Ozimek, just like the [[Bradley Manning]] and [[Bruce Jenner]] articles were done. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 23:16, 2 March 2019 (EST)
:::Tempting, as we all know that's he still is. However, his legal name is now "Jane," so I'm not sure if we should leave that out altogether. We could. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:58, 3 March 2019 (EST)

::::How about this: [[John Ozimek (Jane Samantha Fae)]]? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:48, 3 March 2019 (EST)

Would you please take a look here: [[Talk:Newfoundland]]? This article might have to be moved. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:55, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

:Confirmed, that's the name now, so I moved it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:13, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

== Great work! ==

Great work in adding those references to [[benefits of capitalism]]!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 13:30, 28 March 2019 (EDT)
:Thanks! It could use some more work, but it's progress. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:40, 28 March 2019 (EDT)

== [[World History Study Guide from 1648]] ==

This article contains a wrong info. "(1923) created the modern state of Turkey, with a combination of military rule and an elected Parliament; also converted the Arabic language to a modern, Latin-style alphabet". Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was a Turk and he converted the Turkish language to Latin-style alphabet. Please correct it. Thank you. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 15:45, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

:I know very little about that page or the history it speaks of, but that page is locked from editing by anyone other than full administrators, so I cannot make this change in any case. You could try asking [[User:Aschlafly]] or [[User:Karajou]] for assistance with this. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:29, 10 April 2019 (EDT)
==Image upload requests==
I requested to upload several images for an essay I am writing and have gotten no reply. Can you please help me? --[[User:ProudGator|ProudGator]] ([[User talk:ProudGator|talk]]) 09:30, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

:Hi, I noticed your request, and I will get to it. Typically, requests are taken in the order they are received, and we have a substantial backlog of request right now. I will do these two soon, but in the future, I will take them in order to be fair to the others making upload requests. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:55, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

::I've uploaded three of them. However, the last one you requested is owned by National Geographic, which specifically states that we cannot republish their content. (See [[CP:IUR]] for more information.) --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:27, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

== Image upload ==

If yo could upload one of the images I linked to on Andrew Schlafly's talkpage that'd be great! [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 17:56, 18 April 2019 (EDT)
:Sure: [[:File:Jacinda Ardern, 2018.jpeg]]
:If you need any more done, feel free to add the request to the bottom of [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

== Look at this edit ==

Please look at this edit: [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia&diff=1519161&oldid=1516763 DavidB4 and Conservapedia]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:39, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

:Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:37, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

==Bay of Pigs switch==
Should the page [[Bay of Pigs]] actually be [[Bay of Pigs invasion]]? One is a place, the other is a historical event. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 14:56, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

:Yes, this should be clarified--thanks for pointing it out! This is a large page with many contributors, so I've put the move template on it as a prior announcement. If no one objects or makes other suggestions, I will move it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:24, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

::Sounds good to me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:27, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

== Editing question ==

Hi DavidB4 and the others!

I just created an account a few days ago and have been doing some adding of pages and editing. Unfortunately, I think I might have gotten a little carried away and did some editing to a page that wasn't mine (Romulus Augustulus, the last Roman emperor) without taking time to check up on editing etiquette. So that I know for future reference, is it generally expected that you shouldn't do significant editing without talking to the original author first?

My apologies to the author; I hope you'll forgive it as just a case of over-enthusiasm.

-Teakin88

:Hi Teakin88, Welcome to Conservapedia! 
:I see nothing unfortunate about some initiative to improve an article--good work! If you are going to make a major point-of-view change, or do something potentially controversial, it would probably be a good idea to first ask on the respective article talk page. If no one objects, then go for it. For general, non-controversial expansions like this, there shouldn't typically be any need to ask. It should also be noted that no one really "owns" articles. There are some articles in which a single editor has made a significant investment (1990'sguy and the [[Donald Trump achievements]] articles come to mind). In those cases, would probably be the courteous thing to do to ask before removing, changing, or contradicting preexisting content. Also, if you plan to change the perspective of an article (i.e., changing the Donald Trump article to say he's a traitor, lair, and jerk) you should probably ask first. However, in most cases, you can just go ahead and make improvements where you see the need. If someone disagrees with an edit you made, they will probably revert that edit and let you know. In that case, respect the senior editor, talk to them, and come to some agreement. I hope this clarifies the matter. If in doubt, it never hurts to ask. Contrary to popular belief, it's often better to ask for permission than forgiveness. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:58, 8 May 2019 (EDT)

::One extra thing -- even for non-controversial changes, I strongly recommend always citing reliable sources. This is helpful as they increase CP's reputability, and they are helpful for readers who want to research a certain topic further in-depth. Thanks for your edits, Teakin88. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:17, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

:::A very good point--yes, please include references. If you used any sources, even just for a basic understanding of the subject, they should always be cited. If you do not have any, I still suggest you do a little research, and find a good source which supports what you are writing. Common knowledge does not need to be cited (i.e. "red is a color") but when you are making an assertion which some reads may not have already known, try to cite it. It shouldn't be particularly difficult, just list the source, such as a URL, and perhaps the date you retrieved it. You are welcome to use any formal citation style, but you are not required or expected to do so. Most editors just paste the link inside of <code><nowiki><ref> </ref></nowiki></code> tags after the statement being referenced. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:10, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

==Historical revisionism and revisionism==
These two pages [[Revisionism]] and [[Historical revisionism]] are basically the same topic and ought to be merged under the banner of the second. I'll start expanding the revisionism page into general themes afterward. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:32, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

:That sounds good to me. I'll be a bit busy for the next 4-5 days, but I will merge these when I get the chance. If you want, feel free to move over the valuable content from [[Revisionism]] yourself, and make is page a redirect. Otherwise, I'll do it when I can. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:16, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

::Done: [[Historical revisionism]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:33, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

== Email is bouncing ==

I sent a message to your email, and it bounced. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 12:41, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

:That's odd! I checked over things on my end, and everything seems to look right. Are you attempting the address listed on my user page? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:51, 14 May 2019 (EDT)
:I was able to send a test message there successfully. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:38, 14 May 2019 (EDT)
::I used the address on your user page, and I get a message from "Mail Delivery Subsystem <mailer-daemon@googlemail.com>" that says "Message not delivered
There was a problem delivering your message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us. See the technical details below, or try resending in a few minutes.

The response from the remote server was:
550 Mail to davidb4-cp@archnet.us has been suspended" [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 16:58, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

:::Oh, that's my old address. It now bounces emails due to spam. Sorry for the trouble! I changed that public address last December. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:07, 16 May 2019 (EDT)

== Thank you! ==

Thank you for recreating [[User:Ahmed Samoa|my user page]]! [[User:Ahmed Samoa|Ahmed Samoa]] ([[User talk:Ahmed Samoa|talk]])

== A communist troll ==

A Communist troll who first used the Username "MarxistLeninist" is repeatedly making sock accounts and just won't get the message and go away. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 22:54, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

:Thanks for the tip. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

== Mormons are Christian. ==

Hi, I was reading the page about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I am LDS (Mormon) and this article contains false things about the Church. It quotes Dr. James White, a Christian pastor, who is NOT MORMON and has written many anti-Mormon articles. White does not understand what the Church is about and he claims Mormons are not Christian. We are Christian! People like White and others from mainstream Christian churches misunderstand the doctrines of the LDS Church! I am a convert to the LDS church and there are SO many misconceptions about the Church, things taken out of context and distorted. It's disappointing that a site like this would perpetuate these false accusations. I would like to be able to edit the article if I could, since I am an actual Mormon. I don't know how to go about doing that.

Thank you,

Cindy

:It's understandable that you want to support your church, but why are you trying to isolate Dr. White? You've reduced his contributions to virtually nothing. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 13:04, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

::Thanks for reaching out! I am not personally an expert on Mormonism, so I might not be the right person to ask. However, I will be blunt with you: it seems that Mormonism is classified by many as cult for good reason. For example:
::*The Bible says that there is only one God (for example, see: Isaiah 43:10; 44:6; 45:5). Mormonism, however, says that:
::**there are many gods (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163)
::**There is a mother goddess (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443)
::*The Bible teaches that God is an eternal, infinite being, who created man in His (spiritual) image, but was never himself a man. Mormonism teaches that:
::**God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).
::**"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s..." (Doctrines and Covenants 130:22)
::**God is in the form of a man, (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3).
::**"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see," (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).
::Furthermore, it teaches that after you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354), which is outright blasphemy. This sounds like what is written in Genesis 3:5: "For God knows that when you eat from [the tree] your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil," which was spoken by Satan.

::Mormonism is based on Christianity, but so is Islam. Adding new things to Christianity and abrogate parts of scripture is pretty much what cults specialize in. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:17, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

== Article move requests ==

Should the article [[The mossadil]] be kept? If so, please move it to [[The MossadIL]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:49, 7 August 2019 (EDT)
:Initially, this sounded rather like something not notable enough to have an article. However, the account has over 115,000 followers at present. That sounds like a high number, although of course followers can be farmed. Honestly, I pay very little attention to Twitter...do you think that compared to the rest of Twitter, this is notable enough to keep? I find it a little odd having a page about a twitter account, but I'm okay with keeping it. If we do, though, I wonder if a more descriptive name might be better. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:21, 8 August 2019 (EDT)
::115,000 followers doesn't seem that high to me. Trump has over 62 million followers, John Bolton is nearing 700,000, and Matteo Salvini and Nigel Farage of Europe both have over 1 million (see [[Essay:Top conservatives on Twitter]]). If the article is notable otherwise, that's fine, but I don't think the number of followers makes it notable. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 05:41, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

:::Ok, then I say delete it. It might be a good twitter account, but I don't see anything else that makes it notable. There is also a web store behind this account, so there is some monetary motivation for promotion. The account that wrote this CP article is probably not a single-use promo account, but rather probably a good-faith editor. However, I don't think this qualifies as something worth publishing a page about. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

::::Thanks for deleting.

::::Also, would you please move the newly-created [[Emu war]] article (created, I think, by the same user) to capitalize the "w"? Also, this article needs a massive amount of improvement, and I don't have time at the moment to do so. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:56, 9 August 2019 (EDT)

:::::Good suggestion. As I guess you already noticed, I expanded it somewhat and moved it per your request. There is a great deal more which could be written about this topic, but at least the basics are there for now. Also, I think I will go ahead and make the History category you tried to use. That seems like one which could be useful. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:43, 12 August 2019 (EDT)

== Help:I've been blocked by Minuteman for creating Fredogate page ==
Can someone please help so I can improve the page I started? I've been blocked by Minuteman for creating Fredogate page. No explanation was given and I find his censoring very frustrating since this incident some media personalities call Fredogate, is widely covered in youtube.--[[User:Bearbrau|Bearbrau]] ([[User talk:Bearbrau|talk]]) 19:15, 14 August 2019 (EDT)
:My apologies for that--you did nothing wrong. You were automatically blocked for a 2-hour duration so that we could review your activity—it was nothing personal. Conservapedia gets its fair share of vandalism and internet trolls, so we need to be careful. I noticed this issues and unblocked you seven minutes later, but not before it was an inconvenience. (You were only able to post on our talk pages because you were unblocked.) You may continue where you left off, and should have no further trouble of this sort. If you have any specific questions or concerns, fell free to contact me by email. However, you should be all set to proceed, and this will not be counted against you. Again, Sorry about that! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:26, 14 August 2019 (EDT)

== Two questions/requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please take a look at the article [[Mainstream conservative]]? I don't know if this page is to be kept, but it would need significant reworking as it seems rather opinionated. Maybe it should be moved to the "essay" namespace?

Also, would you please keep an eye on the draft [[User:RobSteff/Slovakia]]? It seems like the editor wants to redo CP's [[Slovakia]] page, but some of the intro wording [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Slovakia&oldid=910323397 mirrors the WP article] way too closely. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:20, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

:Hi 1990'sguy!
:I rarely see [[Mainstream conservative]], [[movement conservative]], populist conservatives, etc. well defined in comparison to other types of conservatives. If the content here is accurate (I have not verified it, but have no specific reason to doubt it), I think there could be some value in keeping this. As you say, though it will of course need at the very least to be wikified, and should really have some references. It could be considered a subjective explanation and thus an essay, but I think this could be done as a standard article. We do also have an article for [[Movement conservative]]s already, so this might fit in where it is, given a little more work. Do you disagree, though?

:I will also try to keep an eye on the Slovakia article...good idea. It seems promising that this users replied to your comment about copyright/copy-and-paste. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:38, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

::Also, I will note that I'm not sure if Mainstream conservative should focus quite so much on Trump support/opposition. Trump certainly is getting people to show their true colors, but this seems better suited as a separate example, rather than the main point of discussion. Trump will, either in 2020 or 2024, leave office, but chances are, the concept of mainstream conservatives will continue, so I would prefer to see our article on this being more about principles than support/opposition of one person in 2016-2020. I'll post this on that article's talk page as well. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:53, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

==Move request==
Can we move this [[Essay:Rich Man and Parable of Talents]] to [[Parable of the Talents]]? For the most part (with some minor editing) this could be an actual useful article instead of yet another editorial. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:45, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
:I'm generally happy to help move things, but as this is Andy's Essay, I wonder if perhaps he should be asked first. Generally, essay space offers special allowances and exceptions which mainspace does not. At present, this piece reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article, so it would need a little editing if it was moved. If he is fine with this, then sure...I would be happy to move it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:48, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

In the meantime (and not to distract from the above), would you please move [[:Category:British royal family]] to capitalize the last two words? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
:1990'sguy: Good suggestion--I've moved it as you asked. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:38, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
::Thanks! Would you please also look at the move request at [[Talk:Kosice]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:22, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

:::Thanks for pointing that out! I used to be able to monitor all activity on CP, but my availability has decreased such that I can only check retroactively for highlights now. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:14, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

== Article assessment ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please take a look at the newly-created article [[Cruz Derangement Syndrome]]? Is it notable enough to keep, and if so, would it need any other improvements? Also, while I generally like Cruz (with certain exceptions such as trade and his support for a liberal appellate judge in 2014), I know that CP "officially" takes a more critical stance toward him. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:20, 5 September 2019 (EDT)

:Hi 1990'sguy, ''I might step on some toes with this reply, but here goes--don't take this the wrong way.'' I was looking at that earlier, and have been thinking about it. Of course, it needs some style fixes, and some categories. As for the content, this seems more like a joking or borderline humor article/essay, rather than an encyclopedia article, but then again, [[Trump Derangement Syndrome]] does to some extent as well, but we still have that. Some people do have a very strong reflexive response to Cruz which does in many cases seem somewhat unjustified, so I think this may be valid thing to write about in some form.
:The fact of the matter is that neither of these "syndromes" are actual medical conditions or syndromes--this is hyperbole. I question whether that belongs in an encyclopedia, and particularly, the title of an article. Then again, we also use a similar tactic sometimes in reference to scandals (or should-be scandals) by throwing "gate" on the end of it (i.e. [[Obamagate]], [[Muellergate]], [[Climategate]], etc.) which can itself seem rather unprofessional. Basically, I don't like the hyperbole/clickbait title--it seems gimmicky. However, there is something here to be written about, and this will probably fit right in among the others I mentioned (and many more I didn't) --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:44, 5 September 2019 (EDT)

::At least in the case of TDS, that's a term that is now common among conservatives, so it's not like CP made up the term when creating the article. I'm not sure about the other articles you mentioned, but I never heard of the term "Cruz Derangement Syndrome" before seeing this article. However, I won't delete the article and will improve it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:00, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

:::Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention, then...I've never heard the TDS term anywhere other that CP. I guess I can go either way on CDS. I don't like the terminology, and I generally don't like inventing terms. However, I have no problem with writing about this opposition to Cruz, in some way. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:42, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Actually, it looks like CDS isn't quite a new term either: [https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Cruz+Derangement+Syndrome] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:48, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

What do you think about this article: [[Team plasma]]? It doesn't seem notable to me, but maybe it can be kept? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:35, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

:I agree, it doesn't seem particularly notable. If we keep it, it should be renamed, but I'm not really convinced it is worth having around. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:25, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

::I just deleted it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 07:49, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

:::Also, I don't know how much you know about this technology company, but do you think the recent edits on this article are positive (I think they probably are, but I want to make sure): [[AMD]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

::::Thanks. I think those edits were well-intentioned. There was a little bit of an oversight there (the posted market share only included one of two types of product), but I corrected it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:07, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

How should we deal with this article: [[Joel gilbert]]? It's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&oldid=914351777 a copy of a particular version of the Wikipedia article] (compare with even earlier diffs: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&oldid=747121431][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&oldid=912556288]) -- an editor tried to change (or revert?) the article to his liking, was reverted, and brought his version here. Besides the capitalization error ("gilbert"), is the article appropriate to keep here? I'm leaning delete, but I'm not sure since it isn't the current or accepted Wikipedia version. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:32, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

:If it was all original content, I would seriously consider keeping it. However, certain parts were not written by this individual. If we chop out the plagiarized parts (everything not added in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Gilbert&type=revision&diff=914351777&oldid=914306698 this edit]), this isn't going to be a very good article, since the intro paragraph is the first to go. Either a rewite of these portions is needed, or unfortunately, the whole thing needs to go.
:There are also a few typographical errors (such as the title you pointed out, "'''eared'''" rather than earned, etc.) and a few other improvements which could be made. However, these are not worth making unless the plagiarized material is removed. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:19, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::Would you please make those changes (assuming you have the time and will to do so--if you don't, that's OK)? I'm devoting my CP time right now to work on my Donald Trump achievements project and would rather not spend much time on maintenance work. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:54, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Are the editor's changes sufficient? Upon his request, I deleted the old article title, so please see [[Joel Gilbert]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:22, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Also, in addition to my comment above, I am wondering (assuming you have the time to do so) if you can find any other free images of Trump's meeting with Hungary's prime minister [[Viktor Orban]] this May,[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trump_amerikai_eln%C3%B6k_%C3%A9s_Orban_Viktor_magyar_minisztereln%C3%B6k.jpg] including on Twitter, Facebook, or wherever. I could only find this image, and I'm not sure even about that because it was uploaded only a few days ago by an apparently new editor and doesn't show licensing information. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:15, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::Apologies, I've been quite busy lately. Most of Joel Gilbert looks pretty good now, but the first paragraph is heavily plagiarized. IF that gets re-written, then we should be all set. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:21, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

:::::As far as photos go, it looks like most news outlets are using Getty Images. They buy a copy of the photo, then own it royalty-free. That means that if we could find a new outlet with a loose copyright policy, we could use it. Unfortunately, most of them have a TOS document a mile long adding prohibitions on top of U.S. copyright law. The only thing I found was [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/05/13/president-trump-welcomes-prime-minister-of-hungary-viktor-orban-to-white-house-video-and-transcript/ this], which does not seem to have a set of TOS. This means that only copyright law applies, and theoretically, we could use it under the Fair Use clause. Do you agree? Does that look and sound good enough? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:33, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::I don't know much about copyright law, so I will trust your and Andy's judgments on this. If there aren't any better images, that one is what I will upload. Thanks for checking! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

:::::::Well, I'm no expert on copyright law either...I'm learning as I go. Actually though, here is one which would be legally safer to use, and doesn't have mics in the frame: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trump_amerikai_eln%C3%B6k_%C3%A9s_Orban_Viktor_magyar_minisztereln%C3%B6k.jpg] Maybe you were looking for something other than what WP/MW have though. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:41, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::::That is the same image that I linked above -- I found it before messaging you, and I asked you if you were able to find other images because this one was uploaded only a few days ago by a new user and doesn't include licensing information. Because of that, I don't want to upload the image, at least until I'm confident it's OK to load. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:48, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

:::::::::Opps, so you did. I looked at it briefly, then went on the hunt. I forgot to check back to make sure that what I found was different. They claim it is under CC, so if you take that at face value, great. However, that's a good point that it may or may not be true. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:56, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

::::::::::If it's uploaded by an experienced editor with believable documentation, I trust it, but if it's a brand new user with poor evidence of proper licensing, I don't trust it. The user linked to some Hungarian website to show where he found the source (the link is a dead link) and claims it's from the website. It could be true, though I can't find any corresponding U.S. government photo. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:19, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

Good point. It looks like the [https://web.archive.org/web/20190514152046/https://www.hirado.hu/kulfold/kulpolitika/cikk/2019/05/14/hasonlo-vilagnezetet-kepvisel-donald-trump-es-orban-viktor file did exist there], but I can't tell anything about licensing, since I don't speak Hungarian. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:28, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
:Google Translate or something could help, and I'll try to do it later when I get the time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:57, 25 September 2019 (EDT)
::Under the photo, it says this: "Viktor Orban and Donald Trump (Photo: MTI / EPA / Solid Costumes)" -- does this mean anything of note? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:06, 20 October 2019 (EDT)

:::I figured it was something like that. It doesn't really mean a whole lot to me, but maybe a little. They are crediting the photo to "MTI / EPA / Solid Costumes" which means that it is probably not in the Public Domain. Often, they will use copyrighted photos by permission or contract, so that is probably what is happening in this case. However, I don't know who "MTI / EPA / Solid Costumes" is, so I can't very well track it down. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:37, 20 October 2019 (EDT)

::::OK, thanks. I probably won't upload this image, partially because of the uncertainty over copyright. In addition to this, is this article appropriate to keep: [[Henry ward]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:07, 21 October 2019 (EDT)
::::Never, mind -- that "Henry ward" article is apparently a fake/parody article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:59, 21 October 2019 (EDT)

:::::Okay. "No" is generally the safe option, so if in doubt, it's a good default answer. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:25, 21 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::Is this article appropriate to keep, or should it be deleted: [[Polarity technologies ltd]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:02, 29 October 2019 (EDT)

:::::::Nope. I deleted it. The language made it clear that this was an advertising attempt. If they want to make a more fair, unbiased attempt I'll consider it. That, however, was just an ad in the form of a wiki page. I do like that they used a few third party sources, but it still was too one-sided and promotional. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:02, 29 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::::Do you think this article should be deleted, or not? [[Black pigeon speaks]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:48, 8 November 2019 (EST)

It looks a bit like a content dump, and was clearly written by someone not familiar with wiki markup language. This makes it seem more like a ad attempt. However, "Black pigeon speaks" seems to be a legitimate entity online who may be somewhat notable. He has 500k Youtube followers, and 63.6K BitChute followers (both platforms seem to offer the same content). Of course, such numbers can be farmed to some extent. However, he does seem to be at least somewhat conservative based on my very brief research. I could go either way on this article. If we keep it, if obviously needs some clean-up. What do you think? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:46, 9 November 2019 (EST)
:It definitely needs cleanup. I'm still not convinced it's notable to keep since some YouTube personalities have several million followers. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:23, 10 November 2019 (EST)

::Yeah, he doesn't seem like anyone particularly notable and differentiating. He might be doing good stuff, but I don't know if that really warrants a CP article about him. This probably stands to benefit him more that our readers. I think I'm leaning towards deletion, but I'd be okay with keeping it if others here see value in it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:51, 10 November 2019 (EST)
:::I recommend deleting it. At the very least, maybe we should let Andy decide? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:49, 10 November 2019 (EST)
::::Alright, sure let's delete it. We could ask Andy just to make sure, but it's probably okay to just do it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:58, 11 November 2019 (EST)
:::::Without getting distracted from the above article, can you tell whether this article is original or plagiarized? [[The Genesis observer theory]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:23, 12 November 2019 (EST)

It was copied from CreationWiki [http://www.creationwiki.org/Genesis_observer_theory]. That page was mostly written by one author, but some adjustments were made by two others. Plagiarism seems likely, but I will contact the user on this end. I applied for a CreationWiki account awhile back, but it seems my application was rejected or ignored, so I can't ask over there. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:31, 12 November 2019 (EST)
:Note: It was mostly written over there by user "PabloCa2007." The user posting it here is "Pablocastro" --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:33, 12 November 2019 (EST)
::Just based on that, it looks like the page is mostly original, but we'll still need to reach an understanding with the creator (and I saw you already reached out to him). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:37, 12 November 2019 (EST)

== Thank you! ==

Hey David, just wanted to say thanks for the welcome and the advice on the joel gilbert article. Definitely don't wanna mess up anything so I'll go back and fix it! :) I might need a bit of help with the infobox if you wouldn't mind but I might be able to figure it out. Anyhow thank you so much! Feel absolutely free to let me know if anything needs adjustment
[[User:Manny P90|Manny P90]] ([[User talk:Manny P90|talk]]) 14:57, 13 September 2019 (EDT)Manny

:You're welcome, and thank you for your interest in improving it! One thing still concerns me..the first paragraph doesn't seem to be original. Could you perhaps re-write that intro? As for the template, I'd be happy to try to help you, but our inforbox template is significantly different that Wikipedia's, so you can't do a a simple copy-and-paste of that. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:38, 25 September 2019 (EDT)

== New WP articles ==

Hello DavidB4, when you get the chance, please take a look at these two articles: [[Malik Obama]] and [[Dreams from My Real Father]]. The editor who created them stated that they were copied from Wikipedia articles that have been deleted (thus, they may not be original). I already wrote a very short message to the user. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:10, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

:Hi 1990'sguy, I noticed those come in, but didn't have the time to investigate then. At the very least, they need cleanup, but I also am suspicious of their originality. There are similarities between [[Malik Obama]] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama#Malik_Obama this], and [[Dreams from My Real Father]] looks like a slight rewrite of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_from_My_Real_Father this], although it could be the other way around. They at least need some cleanup; I'm leaning towards deletion, but this user has responded in the past, so it could be this is slightly more than just a dump and run maneuver. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:11, 4 October 2019 (EDT)
::Would you please also take a look at this article: [[Nicholas J Fuentes]]? It might not be appropriate to keep on CP. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:53, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

:::I don't see any evidence of plagiarism, and it isn't a wreck like some text dumps, so that's a good start. My main concern is with the matter of notability. It seems that he is somewhat publicly recognized, although he doesn't seem to have a great deal of publicity. He also seems to be in this to make a profit--that's not inherently bad (many talk shows and publications are for-profit endeavors, which I don't mind), but it is worth noting that by giving him some much-needed publicity, we may be helping out his profit margin. Based on these factors, I might lean towards deletion. However, while I don't want RW to decide what we do and do not have, I noticed that they do have an article about this guy (although I didn't bother to read their pig slop). What do you think? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:01, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

::::I made some copyedits, though the title might need to be moved. We could keep it, though the wording might need to be changed to make it sound less promotional. Also, I'm having trouble determining whether he's a consistent conservative or an "alt-right" person, though it looks like the former is more accurate. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:58, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

:::::I don't know much about him, and all I can find seems to be name-calling, ad hominem attacks, etc. which are loaded with bias. I will somewhat take back what I said about not much publicity...after digging a bit more, I have found a quantity of the standard liberal attack pieces against him, saying things like "Well, he said on Thursday that he is not a white supremacist and opposes violence, but actually the opposite is true, and random democrat xyz says that he is trying to play the victim here, and not simply being attacked for his views."
:::::It seems he had to leave his college because of these attacks, death threats, etc. after making his political views known. 'm starting to think maybe we should keep an article about him. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:41, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

::::::That sounds good to me, so I'll accept keeping the article, though it may need further improvements. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:11, 6 October 2019 (EDT)

The [[Malik Obama]] and [[Dreams from My Real Father]] still haven't been edited by the article creator. What should we do with them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:15, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

:I've deleted them. If the author disagrees, they can be restored by an admin. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:18, 17 October 2019 (EDT)

== Cult leader Adnan Oktar ==

Hi. Could you please upload a picture of [[Harun Yahya|Adnan Oktar]]'s old and new look? I found this picture: [http://www.mavikocaeli.com.tr/resimler/iste-adnan-oktar-in-karanlik-gecmisi-unlu_11038318_39_fe5ee97f1d33bbc62e23.jpg]. Search results: [https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNSvWCIzFVBVujBE79-3Cfj1nZt-hA%3A1570459097293&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=625&ei=2U2bXcWiD6SorgS-uanwDQ&q=Adnan+Oktar+eski&oq=Adnan+Oktar+eski&gs_l=img.3..35i39l2j0i30l3j0i8i30.1823.15117..15325...1.0..0.173.2613.0j17......0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0.AJMOrW1Xhl8&ved=0ahUKEwiF84CFsIrlAhUklIsKHb5cCt4Q4dUDCAY&uact=5]. If you want, you can upload an old and a new photo of him side by side. Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 10:42, 7 October 2019 (EDT)
:Conservapedia needs to follow copyright laws. Please upload this picture: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Adnan_oktar_01.jpg

:I would do it myself, but I have a very full schedule today.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 10:58, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

::I'll certainly upload this one, Wikignome72. See: [[:File:Adnan oktar 01.jpg]].
::Andrewlee, If we can find a copy of the other which is under a [[Creative Commons]] license, or is in the [[public domain]], that would be good. We might be able to use a copyrighted one under the [[Fair use]] clause, but that is more difficult.
::My favorite places to search for images with relaxed licensing are:
*[https://commons.wikimedia.org Wikimedia commons]
*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr.com]
but there any many others also, such as these:
*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]

::Let me know if you have any luck. Thanks!

== Requesting help with article about our ministry. ==

David, can you help me? I'm trying to edit a page on my organization, Global Media Outreach, which seems to be frequently vandalized. We didn't even add the page on us; just came across it while researching something. When I first found it it was completely negative. Some organization called Billion Bibles seems to have a criticism with us, so I edited our page and just put forth the gospel as we share it on the page so that people can make their own judgment about whether or not we have some kind of deficient version of it (we don't). Last month, the criticism reappeared as a link to the BillionBIbles organization again. They seem desperate to both link to themselves from anyone searching Conservapedia for info about us and to smear us. I don't want to publicly criticize them, just to remove their unjustified criticism of us. Thanks for any help or advice you can provide! [[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User talk:Abranch|talk]]) 13:55, 16 October 2019 (EDT)abranch

:I've heard of BillionBibles before, but know almost nothing about them. However, the article on Global Media Outreach seems to only briefly mention some opposition. The linked BillionBibles page criticizes Global Media Outreach for teaching the "four spiritual laws" which they believe tends towards the "Health, Wealth, and Prosperity Gospel" and leaves out any mention of God's call (and [[predestination]], as some believe) as well as a couple other points. [https://www.billionbibles.com/four-spiritual-laws.html]. These seem like they might be valid criticisms to at least note. Our article as it was simply stated that there was some opposition to Global Media Outreach, without subjectively declaring it to be wrong, so it seems that we were already leaving it up to the reader to decide what to think. I'm also somewhat confused as to why you removed the word "some," making the page basically say that all Christians say that your organization is wrong. I've fine with some rewording or explanation, but I think it is worth keeping some mention of doctrinal disagreements. Conservapedia is read and edited by people of many different beliefs, so we generally try to present both view points and let the reader decide. It sounds like this is what you wanted, and it seems to me, that is what we are doing. Furthermore, the [[Internet_evangelism#Global_Media_Outreach|Internet_evangelism]] page (to which you deleted the link) speaks favorably of Global Media Outreach. I have reverted both of these changes, since they seem to make the problem you are speaking about worse.
:Is there something I'm missing here? If the article is being unfair to Global Media Outreach, then I would be fine with trying to balance it out--I just don't see any specific glaring issues. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 17 October 2019 (EDT)

David, regarding your note on the 16th—you were right. There were edits on the article mentioning us that were telescoping somehow and when I tried to edit one it wouldn't let me because it affected another. I didn't understand and was out of time. So—user error; I'm afraid I'm not a regular contributor, I just try to watch out for slander on us, and this site is about the only example of it I have found on the web. Sometimes slander shows up in overt ways, sometimes subtle. Just look at Wikipedia's article on the Apostle Paul, which includes "Among the critics of Paul the Apostle was Thomas Jefferson, a Deist, who wrote that Paul was the 'first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus.' Christian anarchists Leo Tolstoy and Ammon Hennacy take a similar view." That's bad enough, because it makes the reader feel as if the page ahs an agenda; but imagine if it were the first point in the entry, as "Criticism of Global Media Outreach" is for us.

:Okay, some little mix-ups are fine. However, I'm not quite sure what you are looking to have changed. I have slightly reworded and expanded the "[[Global_Media_Outreach#Criticism_of_Global_Media_Outreach|criticisms]]" section..what do you think? I don't think we should remove this section altogether, but some changes can be made. In any case, it doesn't really sound like slander to me, as it currently stands. There are many different denominations and doctrines within the christian faith, so it is pretty normal for some to criticize others on certain controversial issues. Thanks for your input! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:21, 28 October 2019 (EDT)

Why was my edit reverted? I know I messed up the citation link thing but I'm new to this. I just think harm reduction is very important. If, for some reason, someone comes here for info on LSD they should know about something that is pretty common and could ruin their experience.
[[User:Yaoi|Yaoi]] ([[User talk:Yaoi|talk]]) 08:52, 31 October 2019 (EDT)

:You deleted a significant amount of content (over 2KB) with that edit. See: https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=LSD&diff=prev&oldid=1589093
:Your addition was probably fine, but make sure not to remove everything else. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:01, 31 October 2019 (EDT)

==Thomas Heyward==
These should probably be merged. [[Thomas Heyward Jr.]] [[Thomas Heyward]]. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 21:53, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
:Yeah, it should be. Good catch. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:16, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
::I've merged them. The result is here: [[Thomas Heyward Jr.]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:26, 1 November 2019 (EDT)

==Delete and move==
Could you delete [[Georges Sorel]], and move [[George Sorel]] in its place? [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 10:30, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
:I did it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:08, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
::Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:57, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
:::You're welcome! Just a note, you will have to do Teakin88's [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Community_Portal&diff=1590504&oldid=1561721 requests] at [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]], since they are not WP Commons images. Otherwise, I would have tried to upload them if I get time (which I don't have a lot of, like you I presume). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:18, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
::::Thanks, yes [[CP:IUR]] is a disaster right now. I may never catch up. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:21, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
:::::If I get some extra time, I will upload some of the easier requests. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:24, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
::::::Thanks! I wouldn't mind, but those are not the big problem, so you don't need to. It's nice when we get some that are PD/CC so I can just breeze through them! It's the copyrighted ones that are a problem. I do my best, but it takes a lot of time and I really am not professionally qualified to make this kind of determination. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:36, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
:::::::I'm considering giving PD/CC requests priority over copyrighted images. People are submitting requests for images that are obviously okay to use, but then waiting months to get them uploaded. It's not really fair to them. I might abandon the first-come, first-served system. I don't know if this would be fair either, though. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:39, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
::::::::It seems like a good idea to me. How many users are requesting PD/CC images versus more complicated requests? If more are requesting the former, but IUR is being backlogged by one or two other editors, prioritizing seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Also, it might be a good idea to archive the completed request sections on IUR. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
At present, we have 1 person regularly asking for PD/CC and two people asking for copyrighted ones. That means this change would mostly benefite that one person. However, in the past (and once in a while) we've have a number of other users (maybe about 4) asking for PD/CC images as well. Not recently, though. Besides, though who make good requests tend to get upload rights of their own. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:45, 2 November 2019 (EDT)

==Disambiguation==
Could you make [[Samuel Huntington]] into a disambiguation page for [[Samuel P. Huntington]] and [[Samuel Huntington (signer)]]? [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 12:51, 24 November 2019 (EST)
:Good idea--thanks for pointing that out! Done as requested. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:21, 24 November 2019 (EST)
::Thank you for doing these BTW. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 20:41, 3 December 2019 (EST)

==Merge request==
[[Cato's Letters]] and [[Cato Letters]]. The correct term/name is '''"Cato's Letters"''',(And [[Cato's Letters]] appears to me to be the better written) but there is some issue with the page views and history/revisions of the two articles that needs consideration. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 22:45, 2 December 2019 (EST)
:Also, could you switch these? The 'The' is a part of the actual title. [[American Crisis]], [[The American Crisis]] [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 22:49, 2 December 2019 (EST)
:Of course! Done as requested: [[The American Crisis]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:04, 3 December 2019 (EST)
::Cato's Letters? [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 20:41, 3 December 2019 (EST)
:::Sorry, now I'm doing it. I guess I just read the last post, and assumed the rest was prior conversation. It wouldn't have been that hard to read it...
:::Anyway, I've merged the two to [[Cato's Letters]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:09, 4 December 2019 (EST)
::::Thanks! [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 17:49, 12 December 2019 (EST)

== Permission to use images for conservapedia via e-mail permission from image owner ==
Hi DavidB4, I've worked to create an eighth page here on conservapedia. On my eighth page there are 4-5 sections that need the emphasis of photo info-boxes to elaborate visually to the article from a scientific and creative stance. Images have been granted permission to me for use on conservapedia with no inhibited copyright laws per the image creators via e-mail. These e-mails were the only convenient way to gain permission because of the image owners location and time zone in Finland and in Europe with myself being in North America Pacific time. [[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] suggested for me to contact you here about you being an editor who can upload with these e-mail permissions or if I can forward permissions to you, and that you might be willing to have to contact via email with me on this page request for these uploads? Thank you. ([[User talk:Technotronical|talk]]) 23:16, 10 December 2019 (EST)

:Hi Technotronical! Sure, I can help you with that. That's great that you already got permission! Would you please forward the email chain where they gave permission to me (davidb4-public@archnet.us)? Then, I'll just need to know exactly which images it is you want uploaded (if you have the URLs to these images, that would be best), and I should be able to upload them for you. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:27, 11 December 2019 (EST)

:Hi DavidB4, Thank you very much for your help with these. I've sent you the 2 e-mails to (davidb4-public@archnet.us) Please let me know if you need anything else or what I can do to help. Here's the page https://www.conservapedia.com/Red_Hair --[[User_talk:Technotronical|Technotronical]] ([[User talk:Technotronical|talk]]) 20:51, 19 December 2019 (EST)

::Hi Technotronical, I sent you a couple emails in reply on December 12. Did you get those? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:07, 19 December 2019 (EST)

::: Hi DavidB4, I just searched through my e-mail under the address and for that date 12/12... and do not see anything for an e-mail response. Could you please re-send or respond here? --[[User_talk:Technotronical|Technotronical]] ([[User talk:Technotronical|talk]]) 21:25, 19 December 2019 (EST)

::::Odd. I just resent them. You should have received a total of 3 messages from me today. Maybe they are getting caught in your spam trap? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:12, 19 December 2019 (EST)

:::::Yes, very unusual. Thanks for re-sending. I still don't have them and looked in the SPAM quarantine folder. Building the anticipation. Can you please resend to another e-mail address? (mom2lexie_bing_maddie@yahoo.com) --[[User_talk:Technotronical|Technotronical]] ([[User talk:Technotronical|talk]]) 23:44, 19 December 2019 (EST)

::::::Done. If that doesn't work, I'll just post an abbreviated version here. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:28, 21 December 2019 (EST)

::::::: Thank you so much for hanging in here with me. I did get the e-mail at my yahoo inbox. I just replied back. Merry Christmas!!! --[[User_talk:Technotronical|Technotronical]] ([[User talk:Technotronical|talk]]) 23:32, 24 December 2019 (EST)

:Slightly off topic, What was the reason that Minuteman blocked Technotronical? I honestly don't know if there's a back story. Just asking. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:16, 27 December 2019 (EST)
::I'm obviously not DavidB4, but I'm pretty sure the block has nothing to do with Technotronical or his edits -- the bot blocks users based on whatever criteria is programmed into it, and that means that sometimes, innocent editors are blocked. It's happened before. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:07, 27 December 2019 (EST)

'''Technotronical:''' I got your email and will reply soon. I have been very busy lately. Also, sorry about Minuteman blocking you without a good explanation. 
'''Progressingamerica/Technotronical:''' Minuteman blocked Technotronical because it detected numerous questionable words and phrases being posted on [[Red Hair]], [[Blockbuster Video]], and [[Let's Make a Deal]]. These were mostly sexual in nature. I am willing to provide details which are not appropriate for polite company, but not on an open talk page. There were also evidences of possible plagiarism going on with [[Red Hair]], so Minuteman didn't like that either. I have set Minuteman to "Trust" Technotronical, so it will be much less likely to issue blocks against this user in the future. 
'''Technotronical:''' I am seeing some material in [[Red Hair]] which seems to have been copied in. I see duplicate content on pages like:
*https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/melanocortin-1-receptor
*The book "Advances in Cancer Research" by Paul B. Fisher and Kenneth D. Tew
*https://www.definitions.net/definition/red+hair
*and of course, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_hair
Except for short, clearly labeled quotes, you should never use the exact words of other people. Additionally, you should always cite your sources, for any facts or ideas retrieved from other places. 
'''1990'sguy:''' Thanks for the quick response! Again, I've been quite busy the last few weeks. In this case it was a large number of slightly questionable things which triggered Minuteman initially. After blocking a user once, it is more likely to do it again. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 28 December 2019 (EST)

==Delete request==
The misspelling "seige" should not appear in the search bar when typed in. Unless, of course, it is for someone's last name and is then the correct spelling. [[Seigenthaler]]

*[[Seige mentality]] - delete
*[[Seige of Troy]] - delete
[[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 17:50, 12 December 2019 (EST)

:Good catch! I've deleted them. I also created a redirect from [[Siege of Troy]]. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:18, 12 December 2019 (EST)
::Thanks! Here's another one for delete and move. [[Chisholm v. Georgia]], [[Chisolm v. Georgia]]. The misspelled one should probably be kept for content, and the one I created deleted; then move to the correct spelling. [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 19:12, 27 December 2019 (EST)
:::Done! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:42, 28 December 2019 (EST)

::::Thanks 1990'sguy! I've also deleted the [[Chisolm v. Georgia]] redirect, since I don't think that will be beneficial to keep. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:33, 28 December 2019 (EST)

== Giggle Corp ==

Please see these pages: [[User talk:AmericanIronMan]], [[User talk:AmericanTonyStark]], [[Giggle, Corp.]] (red link, see deletion history), and [[Giggle, Inc.]] (red link, see deletion history) You might have a better idea than me on whether this article is notable enough to have an article on. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:08, 2 January 2020 (EST)

:"Giggle Corp" appears to be a small business (not sure if it's registered as such), and mygiggle.us has been online for less than two months. It's definitely not a big player right now, but it wants to be. The website still seems a bit rough around the edges. Before I make a solid decision, I'm hoping that I can engage this user in conversation. I have a few questions and suggestions for them. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:07, 2 January 2020 (EST)

::Sounds good. I wish Conservative didn't block the first account without engaging with him. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:10, 2 January 2020 (EST)

:::Well, he came back so we still can talk. It looks like he's using a proxy connection, which is technically against the rules...then again having a second account is, too. I think he stands to gain a lot more than we do, since we will quite possibly put his service on the map. That means this subject probably falls into the "not sufficiently notable" category. Still, I'm hoping to talk with him. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:36, 2 January 2020 (EST)

::::Thank you sir, for your kind inquiry. I am not trying to necessarily take on Google. Google has its own legitimate following. I am trying to simply offer an alternative to major companies for individuals who would like to maintain a degree of privacy. In a world that is changing so fast, I believe that one of the things that helps us preserve our freedom is our privacy. Privacy should be an option for those who would like to maintain it. It is encouraging to me that there are outlets such as "Conservapedia" that share some of these same ideals. You are correct, our website is new, however it has been in development for three years now. The first very ugly version of it was hosted on a different domain but with the same concept being the respect of privacy of user information. As far as the question you thought might be "stupid", there are no stupid questions and I am grateful for the opportunity to clear up any confusion as to any connection to that Facebook account. Let me make it clear that we are not associated with that user or his affiliates. And as to feedback regarding the website mygiggle.us, any input you have we would greatly appreciate, as we consider your time extremely valuable. Thank you for your consideration and your time. --[[User:AmericanTonyStark|AmericanTonyStark]] ([[User talk:AmericanTonyStark|TALK]]) 20:24, 3 January 2020 (EST)

And thank you for the information! I think such alternatives are valuable. In hopes it will help you out, here is some (hopefully) constructive criticism:

It's great that you are interested in protecting your users' privacy. However, I did find a few things that gave me pause. I suspect your Terms of Service and Privacy Policy might have been made from a template, so perhaps it was not you saying these things.
#Your Privacy policy says that you "may" use web beacons. Why? This is a tracking technology, which seems to go against user privacy.
#Your Privacy policy says that you ignore "Do-not-track" requests. Admittedly, most websites do. You have the standard statement that there is no established industry standard, so you choose to ignore the users' requests for privacy altogether. It's a minor concern in my mind, but it doesn't sound very privacy-friendly. You could at least make sure to set a high privacy standard for all uses, then note in your privacy policy that all users are given the same high standard of privacy, whether or not they request it.
#Your Privacy policy says that you use cookies, but again, most people do. My question (which I did not investigate) is whether or not you use them for any purposes other than logging in users. Cookies must be used if users are going to log in to accounts. However, my concern would be whether or not they are used for any other purpose. Ideally, I would like to see cookies only added to client's devices when they log in. If they don't log in, don't issue a cookie. This might be hard to make happen though--I know web design is complex.
#Your site uses Google Tag manger. If I'm trying to stay away from companies abusing my data, using an alternative site which in turn uses Google services doesn't seem like it might be a good choice.

Other issues I noticed:
*The top-left logo has a background color which does not match the banner it is on. Perhaps you could use an image without a background. That shouldn't be too difficult, but even easier than that would be to at least change the image's background color to match the banner's color, so people don't notice.
*When the "clustered search" option is used, it brings up a list of "F-Clusters." This whole interface seemed a little confusing to me. What is it? How does it work? What does it do? Perhaps a little explanation of some sort, even just in the form of a "Help" link on that search result page might be helpful.
*When looking at your Privacy Policy, there are links at the top of the page to jump to specific section. That is a common thing to have, and I like it. However, when I click on one of those, it breaks out of your site's frame and loads this webpage instead: https://app.termly.io/dashboard/website/305072/privacy-policy

And a couple more comments:
*You are using CloudFlare, which is in itself fine. They seem to offer good services. However, you might want to be aware that they have "de-platformed" numerous conservative services and websites. If they don't like you for political reasons, they will throw you out. You probably won't have issues of this sort, but you might just want to keep that in mind.
*Lastly, your Terms of Service state that anyone other than government agencies and a couple other groups of people must get written approval from you in order to link to your website. Firstly, I don't see how you expect to enforce that. Secondly, why? If low-ranked websites link to you, are are not likely to be benefited in terms of your own page rank. However, this is how the web works...if you want to get noticed, you need people, anywhere and everywhere, to link to your site. It seems odd to me, therefore, that you are trying to prohibit such linking (not that anyone is actually probably going to read that anyway).

I hope your service can succeed! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:05, 4 January 2020 (EST)
::Thank you for your timely and helpful response. I have to say, you are obviously knowledgeable and thorough, and your input is greatly appreciated. So, Thank You again. I have reviewed your comments regarding the company’s privacy policy (and terms and conditions) and agree with you on every point. I have gone through your list point by point though I still have a few changes to make. I have revised the privacy policy according to the points you recommended. I made the policy using a template and the assistance of termly.io, and there was a point in which I was prompted to answer the question, “Do you want to allow people to link to your website?” At that time, I thought there would be more protection for the site if people did not link to it. As time went on and development of the site continued, I came to the same conclusion as you did, that I would like people to link to the site. My mistake was that I had not returned to my Terms and Conditions to change this. If it wasn’t for you it would have been some time before I would have gone back and reviewed it. --[[User:AmericanTonyStark|AmericanTonyStark]] ([[User talk:AmericanTonyStark|TALK]]) 18:21, 7 January 2020 (EST)

:::Okay, that sounds good--thanks! When choosing a service to use, I typically dig into the service's info some before making a decision. I know that tends to be unusual--most people don't bother to read the TOS, Privacy Policy, and other info. So, it probably isn't a big deal to have a few minor issues of these sorts, as long as you are disclosing everything you need to. Building a web service like this is a pretty big undertaking, so it's easy for a few unimportant things to slip through the cracks.
:::I figured that you probably were using a template or builder for the TOS and PP. It makes sense to do. If you have the time and interest, you could also go so far as to provide short, standard English section summaries. So for example, the section on cookies could perhaps be summarized "We use cookies to keep you logged in. We do not use them to monitor your behavior." I've seen this in some such legal disclosures, so that the full legal jargon is still there, but a simple explanation is also provided. Again though, not many people read those, so it may not be worth your time at this point.
:::In regard to your initial question (whether you can create a page on Conservapedia about your service), it's not me intent to string you along and waste your time. To be clear, I don't think that at this time your service is "notable" enough to warrant this. An encyclopedia is intended to be a collection of public knowledge, not an index of things people probably know nothing about. However, I think with some time and effort, it can soon qualify.
:::There is one other thing I'd like to tell you, but not on a public page such as this. You don't at all need to, but would you be willing and able to email me at davidb4-public@archnet.us ? (This way, you don't need to publicly post your address.) If you prefer not to, that's fine.

:::Thanks for your time! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:20, 8 January 2020 (EST)

== Category clean-up ==

Best of luck with [https://www.conservapedia.com/Category:Firearms firearms TAR pit]. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 22:01, 4 January 2020 (EST)

:I haven't looked into it very closely, but some of those sub-categories might be appropriate to delete outright. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:16, 4 January 2020 (EST)

::Gee thanks, JohnZ. 1900'sguy, they might be. I haven't delved too far into it yet, but I suspect so. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:33, 4 January 2020 (EST)

:::Rather you than me down that rabbit hole. Little help, though: you can delete the [https://www.conservapedia.com/Category:Battles_Rifles Battles (!) rifles category]. I [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=M1_Garand&curid=5210&diff=1612016&oldid=1429076 removed] its only entry. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 19:41, 8 January 2020 (EST)

::::Rabbit hole? This is more like a mine shaft. It is huge, and it twists, turns, and goes many different directions. Oh, and there's no map. Anyway, thanks for the help. I already deleted it. I don't know why that ever existed... --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:48, 8 January 2020 (EST)

:::::Should these categories be deleted: [[:Category:Semi-Automatic Pistols]], [[:Category:Semi-Automatic Pistol Ammunition]]? Both have only one article in them. If other relevant articles can be found, fine, but if not, it isn't necessary and doesn't deserve its own category. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:58, 8 January 2020 (EST)
::::::Same thing for [[:Category:Semi-Automatic Firearms]]. Yes, I think they should probably be deleted. There are too many similar, overlapping categories with little reason for existing right now. Good catch! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 8 January 2020 (EST)

== Article review ==

Would you please take a look at this article? [[Origin point]] -- it may need to be moved to an essay, or otherwise improved. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:44, 6 January 2020 (EST)
:I'm okay with having this kind of an article in mainspace, but it should be expanded. Also, the tumbleweed needs to go. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 6 January 2020 (EST)
::Would you also please take a look at this article: [[Escape from Uncle Sam's Plantation by Ed Temple]]? This editor seems to have good intentions, and I lean toward accepting his articles, but they should still be fixed to follow CP guidelines. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:49, 10 January 2020 (EST)
:::We could make an argument against it on the basis of notability, but I'm fine with keeping this one. I see some room for improvement (as do you), but I think this is worth keeping. It lacks cohesion and basic wiki styling, but it seems to be an original, well-intentioned entry about something our readers may find interesting. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:45, 11 January 2020 (EST)
::::Admittedly, there might be some bias from this editor, though... --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:48, 11 January 2020 (EST)
:::::Would you also please take a look at this article: [[Aditya Chattopadhyay]]? I apologize for always pestering you with these requests. I'm focuses on the "Donald Trump achievements" articles and have little time to deal with new pages like this because of that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:10, 11 January 2020 (EST)
::::::No need to apologize! I find myself on a strange schedule, which sometimes causes me to miss recent activity which I should be reviewing.
::::::I deleted this one--it's about a collage student who does not seem particularly notable. It claimed that he was going to run for president in 2060, and included what seemed to be an affiliate/referral link to a "campaign" t-shirt he is supposedly selling. That one just smelled wrong for multiple reasons. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:40, 11 January 2020 (EST)
:::::::Thank you. Would you please look at this page, which seems to be a hybrid article/userpage: [[User:FreedommovementUSA]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:16, 12 January 2020 (EST)
Yeah, I was looking at that one a little bit earlier...I'm not as sure what to say about it. It's an article, which they put in userspace--that's odd. I've never heard of this group before; I suspect that it has been recently founded, but I haven't done significant research. I don't have any immediate concerns about the content, but I don't know if it is notable enough to warrant a page. Do you know anything about them? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:03, 12 January 2020 (EST)
:This is the first I've heard of them. I found their website here: [https://www.freedommovementusa.com/] They don't seem like a very notable organization, though I would be OK with keeping the article as it's obviously a conservative organization. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:32, 12 January 2020 (EST)
::Same. It looks like this is a self-promotion attempt, which I tend to favor less that organic writing. However, I could go either way on this. I suppose we could just leave it where it is--allow the info to be here, but barely. It might show up in web searches, but not from most internal searching. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:51, 12 January 2020 (EST)
:::Sounds good to me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:53, 12 January 2020 (EST)

::::Ok, let's do that, at least for now. It will be interesting to see if this editor intends to do anything more than this. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:01, 12 January 2020 (EST)

== New article requests ==

Hello DavidB4, looking through your TAR removals, I noticed that several red links to what should be obvious articles do not have an article. For example, [[Water cycle]] and [[Nitrogen cycle]], as well as [[Cascade Range]] which I just created. If you're willing, as you do maintenance on the various articles, would you please look for red links to what a reasonable person would consider an obvious/prominent article for an encyclopedia? I'm not asking you to create them, but just to document them so that every obvious encyclopedia search has an article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:57, 6 January 2020 (EST)
:Good idea, sure I'll at least make note of them, and try to work from there. I probably can't make too many pages on such topics, but its worth paying attention to. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:12, 6 January 2020 (EST)

== Image upload requests... ==

Hi DavidB4, can you see if you can upload any of the images I requested into files? ([[Conservapedia:Image upload requests#Please_convert_the_following_images_into_files|this section]]) I'm really hoping that all the permissions are met so that they can be uploaded, as many of the images are meant for contributing to the [[Conservapedia]] pages on nominees for the upcoming 2020 elections. Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 3:59, 27 January 2020

:It looks like none of these images are being made freely available for reuse. I can try to check each one individually (a time consuming process) to see if any of them seem to allow reuse with restrictions. That will take some time though, and I'm currently busy doing that on a set of requests made prior to yours. Since some of these people are politicians, I suspect that you could find freely available images of them on places like Flickr and Wikimedia commons. If such images exist and are suitable, we really should try to use those. If you did, I could upload those quickly. Otherwise, (if no suitable copies are freely available) I can slowly work my way through this list. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:45, 27 January 2020 (EST)

::If you're busy working on other matters, then don't bother individually checking to see if the images I requested allow permission for you to download into files. I'll just find other images that are under a Creative Common license. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 7:27, 27 January 2020

:I left notes on a few which I spot-checked, so please take a look at those when you get the chance. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:50, 27 January 2020 (EST)

::I saw the notes, and updated some of the requests. Regarding the requests I haven't updated yet, I'll get to those soon. Thank you, DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 8:54, 27 January 2020

:::Okay, thank you! That would be great if you could get some CC ones. If you just can't get a particular photo any other way, then I can look at what you do have, and see if I think we can use it under Fair Use. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:08, 27 January 2020 (EST)

== Cropping down some images... ==

For these three images ([[:File:Kyrsten Sinema.jpg]], [[:File:Gary Peters.jpg]], and [[:File:Senator Gretchen Whitmer.jpg]]) that you uploaded, can you see if you can crop them down so that only the head and part of the shoulders are part of the image and that the resulting dimensions are that of a portrait, similar to how most [[Conservapedia]] images for politicians are? For the first and last one, if you crop them, the hand gesture can be cropped out. Thank you DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 14:47, 26 February 2020 (EST)

:[[:File:Kyrsten Sinema 2018.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:55, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
::Thank you DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 17:46, 8 March 2020 (EDT)

:::You're welcome! If you wanted to crop any of these yourself, you could email them to me or upload them to cloud storage somewhere for me to get. That might make this a little faster, and it would ensure they are being cropped correctly. Otherwise, I'll do them when I get the chance.
:::[[:File:Gary Peters 2008.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
::::Thank you again, DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 21:00, 8 March 2020 (EDT)

:::::You're welcome, and here's the last one: [[:File:Senator Gretchen Whitmer 2011.jpg]].
:::::I just noticed that you did initially ask for it to be cropped, but I guess I missed that. My mistake! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:37, 9 March 2020 (EDT)
::::::Yes! Thank you DavidB4 for finishing up the requested cropping! Also, because it was about two weeks ago, I do believe that you said that you will crop down [[:File:Pramila Jayapal.jpg]], as you mentioned [[Conservapedia:Image_upload_requests#February_7.2C_2020_image_requests_by_Liberaltears|here]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 16:56, 9 March 2020 (EDT)

== Question about previous image upload request for Charles A. Halleck ==

Hi DavidB4, I noticed that for the earlier image upload requests I added, you skipped the one for [[Charles A. Halleck]] ([https://bioguideretro.congress.gov/Home/MemberDetails?memIndex=H000081 this one]) because the "Rights and Reproductions" page stated that a reuse required expressed permission via email. However, I noticed that a similar image for [[Sam Rayburn]] from the same website (history.house.gov) ([https://history.house.gov/Collection/Detail/29447?ret=True this one]) was reused as a file on Wikipedia ([https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Samuel_Taliaferro_Rayburn.jpg here]) with the licensing saying "public domain" because it is a work of the federal government. Therefore, doesn't that mean that the image request I added for Charles Halleck can be uploaded as well because it is also part of a collection of the [[U.S. House of Representatives]] just like the one for Sam Rayburn? Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 18:17, 6 March 2020 (EST)

:That's a good question--had I seen wikipedia's page first, I probably would had assumed it was fine. However, if you look at the source page, it says that "''Sam Rayburn had his portrait painted by British artist Douglas Chandor shortly after his election as Speaker.''" This means that the paining was ordered by Rayburn himself, not the federal government, and painted by an independent painter, not a federal employee. Unless I am missing something, this does not sound like Public Domain to me. Furthermore, the source says that in order to reuse the image, you must contact them to request permission. [https://history.house.gov/About/Rights-and-Reproduction/]
:Images default into public domain some time after the author's death (90 years, I think) but we have not reached that yet. I would like to say we can use it, but I don't see any legal basis to do so, unless we fill out the form asking for permission (which you are welcome to do). --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:45, 7 March 2020 (EST)
::Thank you for the clarification, DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 18:22, 7 March 2020 (EST)

== Two questions ==

Thank you for the notice. I had a look at some of the pages in your post and the [[Help:List of Templates]] page has already shown me that in future, I could use a template when I am adding a quote to an article. I have two questions. 
1. I read [[Conservapedia:How Conservapedia Differs from Wikipedia]] and on the second point on that page: I recently edited the Wikipedia article for Witching Hour and I copied the information I added there for the witching hour sub-section on [[Witch]] on this website. Are the Wikipedia administration likely to have an issue with this?
2. I wouldn't mind knowing good Christian websites to use as references for adding information to articles on Conservapedia. I know of a few such as [[The Christian Post]], Gospel Herald, Christian Today, [[Christianity Today]] and the [[Creation Ministries International]] website. But if there is any more good websites, that would the selection of websites I source from. I'm personally trying, (if I can help it) to use Christian websites in particular because those websites seem likely to be the ones that Wikipedia will have a [[liberal bias]] against. Thanks. --[[User:StFrancisThames|StFrancisThames]] ([[User talk:StFrancisThames|talk]]) 20:51, 10 March 2020 (EDT)

:And thanks for joining us!
:# In this case, you own the right to that text, so it is okay to copy it over. We prefer not to just publish duplicate content which is also on WP, but doing this occasionally, and especially in small amounts is fine. Just make sure you don't copy any edits or additions from other WP users, and it should be fine.
:# Good question...There are many, but it depends what kind of content you are looking for. For example, answersingenesis.org and icr.org offer some great information in regard to science and history. I would be cautions of Christianity Today though, as it seems they sometimes are promoting things which don't exactly align with scripture. If you are looking for information on current events, wnd.com and breitbart.com can be good resources. These are not purely christian sites, but they are generally favorable towards Christianity and christian values. We also have a page with a bunch more links, although its organizational style might need a little work: [[Conservative_links#Conservative_Organizations]]. Do any of these help? Is there any topic in particular you need resources on? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:18, 10 March 2020 (EDT)

::Hello again. Thank you for your help and sorry for taking my time to reply to you. After editing for a while, my current concern is perhaps not so much my ability to find sources but my ability to translate my research onto pages in quality typed English. I don't like to copy word-for-word what a source says because of copyright and any other applicable reasons but I wonder if my use of thesaurus websites is creating weird sentences. For example, I found [https://www.christianpost.com/news/millennials-most-likely-to-fact-check-sermons-barna-study-finds.html this source] to use for the [[Millennial]] page but before I clicked the "Save Page" button, I wondered if saying that Millenials were "surelier to verify claims of taught moral messages" was strange wording. As I type this, it doesn't seem so bad, but I think there might be a worse example in my editing history. I remember in English class when I was in high school, I wrote "units of motor vehicles" for creative writing and the teacher thought my language was "scientific". Do you have any thoughts about this? Thanks.--[[User:StFrancisThames|StFrancisThames]] ([[User talk:StFrancisThames|talk]]) 18:36, 19 March 2020 (EDT)

:::Hi again, that's no problem at all! That wording does sound a little odd to me, and without context, I'm not quite sure what it is trying to say. The thing that stands out to me is "surelier." The word "surely" already implies an absolute, so adding "er" to the end doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If it is already an absolute, how can it then be somehow more absolute? However, context can help with such confusion to some extent. Likewise for "units of motor vehicles," without the context, I don't really know exactly what you are trying to say. The word "Units" can be used when counting ("There are 17 units of ___"), when referring to s specific device ("This unit seems to be operating normally.") or in reference to a group ("The soldiers had a long day ahead of them so the unit went to bed early"). If you are not sure about word usage, maybe look at a dictionary, and see what t lists for the first definition. If it isn't the first or second definition, maybe try a different word. If it isn't in the dictionary you are using, also try a different word. I know it's not perfect, and it is a real hassle to do, but it might help.
:::Unfortunately, books and other reference materials cannot always convey cultural norms and common verbiage. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:03, 19 March 2020 (EDT)

== Hello ==

:Thank you very much for the warm welcome. I look forward to us working together to better Conservapedia. Feel free to add to any new articles that I have created. [[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]])

== Green Name ==

Hello, I was recently on this page (https://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:Community_Portal) when I came across an entry written by you, however, your name was green compared to the red/blue of everyone else, it may just be me being curious, but why is that? --[[User:Elnencatala|Elnencatala]] ([[User talk:Elnencatala|talk]]) 16:41, 29 March 2020 (EDT)

:I think you're referring to the signature. Assuming you're logged in, if you look on the top of the page, right in between the “Talk” page and “Watchlist”, there should be a “Preferences” page internally linked. In it, there is a section regarding your signature. You can edit your signature (best to use the “Treat signature as wikitext” option), so that whenever you click on the signature button, your custom signature shows up when published. Hope this helps, in case DavidB4 isn't around at the moment. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 16:54, 29 March 2020 (EDT)

::Thanks Liberaltears, yes that is correct. Under "Preferences," you can enter and alternative signature with options such as "font color." That's how I did it. There is no major reason I did this--it just makes it a little easier for me to find my signatures in large talk pages. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:33, 30 March 2020 (EDT)

== Hiding a revision from view... ==

Hi DavidB4, since you have an oversight tag, can you permanently hide one of the recent revisions on [[Wikipedia|this page]] made by a recent vandal? I know the username was hidden from view, but the revision (which can be accessed) isn't hidden and it contains an external link to an inappropriate site. Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 16:24, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

:In addition, can you also permanently and fully hide my revert of the vandalizing as well? I think it would be better to eliminate all possible publicity of the vandal. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 16:28, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

::I think the vandal just made a sockpuppet. Since you have the check user tag, can you block the IP address of the vandal? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 16:32, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

:::I tired to oversight it, but got an error. I'm investigating. I'm also looking into the checkuser data. I probably should do another bot run to block a lot of these IPs. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:35, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

::::Alright, thank you for trying the best you can, DavidB4! And good thing you saw my message here due to the seriousness of the vandalism! I really hope that no one ''(especially not a minor)'' had accessed the revision... And please report the IP address of the vandal to the authorities; whoever was behind it ought to get a harsh punishment! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 16:41, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

:::::You're welcome, and thanks for your help as well!
:::::They were attempting to anonymize themselves by hiding their IP address, but it looks like their real IP might have leaked through. I'm investigating further. It's rather humorous when that happens...people tend to use these tools without really understanding how they work, or their limitations. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

::::::Alright, thank you for blocking the IP address! Just wondering though, do you think you'll be able to fully hide the revisions from view on [[Wikipedia|this page]] and [[China|this page]]? I know you mentioned an hour ago that there was an error in trying to oversight it. I hope I don't sound too impatient, it's just regarding the seriousness of the vandalism that's still accessible via the revisions. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 17:37, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

:::::::The tool to hide revisions is not working for me. I've contacted Andy about the probem, but for now, someone else might need to hide them. You could try asking someone like Andy or Karajou. Sorry I can't do more right now! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:41, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

::::::::Alright, I just mentioned it on Andy's talk page [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Hiding_a_revision_from_view...|here]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 17:55, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

:::::::::Question: How did the vandal get an account with the User name it had? Also, I suspect the clickbait link left behind would download some nasty malware. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 18:38, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

::::::::::They didn't use your username...they used "RobSmiith" (note the two I's). Also, you are probably correct about malware. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:54, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

::::::::I noticed that the revisions still aren't fully hidden from view. Does the oversight function work right now, DavidB4? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 21:23, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

---

:Andy's looking into it? Alright, well that's great to hear, as he didn't reply [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Hiding_a_revision_from_view...|here on his talk page]]. While I doubt that most people going on this site would file through the edit history, I'd say that it's better to hide it to ''ensure'' that nothing (accessible) on [[Conservapedia]] is linking to such inappropriate/obscene websites. Thank you DavidB4, I really appreciate your patience with this request! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 21:45, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

::You're welcome! It could be that he didn't reply because he didn't want that info being posted publicly. Some things are better discussed over email. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:49, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

:::Oh yeah, I see your point. <satire because I currently need some humor to chill out after the serious vandalism>But then again, regarding emails, that isn't 100% safe, as Russians might hack the server, making Bleach Bit a necessary measure for mass-deleting emails while simultaneously smashing cell phones with a hammar concurrent with Comey's orders in summoning the FBI to raid on your basement, and then you're in a rush ordering out-of-state [[Arkancide]]s on witnesses to cover up Whitewater, the Haitian relief fund scam, Vince Foster, Seth Rich, Benghazi, etceter- oh wait, I just accidentally and irrevelantly summarized Hillary's crimes.</satire because I currently need humor to chill out after the serious vandalism> --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 22:08, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

::::Haha! Okay, that's a good point. I guess talk pages are a safer option. I'd rather not start down this path! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:57, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

== Question about image uploads... ==

Hi DavidB4, I have a question about image uploads regarding the types of images that can be uploaded. If an image is on, say, a political candidate's personal website and there's no specification that it can't be used, can it be uploaded into a file here on [[CP]]? And what about images on a political candidate's personal [[Facebook]] page? Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 11:13, 11 April 2020 (EDT)

:For images from a political candidate's website, we can probably use them under the Fair Use clause, but that tends to be a grey area. This is pretty much the same for their Facebook pages, although from Facebook, it can be more difficult to provide proper attribution. Unfortunately, it seems like "Fair Use" claims fall in a grey area, and there have been lawsuits for claiming "Fair Use" when the author disagrees. We can probably use images from both of these, but it would be preferable to get alternative images with clearly open licensing when possible. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:25, 12 April 2020 (EDT)

::Okay, thank you for the clarification, DavidB4! Also, just curious, did you see what I added in the CP Community Portal [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Fixing_a_mistake_using_the_Infobox_officeholder_template...|here]]? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 22:30, 12 April 2020 (EDT)

:::You're welcome, and thanks for checking! In regard to the template issue, I did see that discussion, but have not gotten the time to trouble-shoot the issue. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:03, 13 April 2020 (EDT)

::::Alright, thank you DavidB4! Once again, I appreciate all the help you offer! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 14:12, 13 April 2020 (EDT)

== Some questions... ==

Hello DavidB4, I have some questions. First, about [[User_talk:DavidB4#Hiding_a_revision_from_view...|this previous topic]], does the oversight function work now? And even if it still may not work, is it possible to simply delete the log details for the revisions like [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] and [[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] have done before? Second, it's been over a month since the preview option for editing works the way it has always been prior to when it became as dysfunctional as the 112th United States Congress. Is there a specific problem regarding that that needs to be resolved, and will it be fixed anytime soon? Third, did you see [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#McSally_Derangement_Syndrome|this small section]] I added in [[CP:COMPORT]]? I'm mostly hoping for a reply from a sysop or assistant sysop just to get an idea on whether the topic is a great idea or not. Fourth, about [[CP]] settings, I noticed that in the "Preferences", a set preferred gender would be public information, although I can't figure out how the details can be accessed by anyone going on this site, and I'm kind of curious about where the information is. Fifth, about [[Special:SpecialPages|special pages]], is there a source code for them likewise for normal pages? In addition, I noticed that for all [[CP]] pages whose URL that follows as "conservapedia.com/index.php?title=(etc.)" can't normally be internally linked, although they can be internally linked on special pages. Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 22:09, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

:Good questions.
#It does not seem to be fixed. I cannot delete log details, either...I get an error when I try. Something appears to be a little broken. You could try asking one of them to try doing it, and see if it works for them.
#I also am having difficulty with preview. This may be be a side effect of the poor server responsiveness we've been having lately. Andy is trying to resolve that problem. I'm hoping once that is fixed, preview will resume working reliably as well. I can't say for sure, though...I don't have access to the hosting server.
#I had not seen it. I posted a short reply.
#I don't think this info is deliberately published anywhere. However, you can reference that info with something like <code><nowiki>{{GENDER:DavidB4|male|female|unknown}}</nowiki></code> you will see: {{GENDER:DavidB4|male|female|unknown}}
#I don't think there is page code available for these special pages. They are generated dynamically by the server. Of course, there is still HTML and CSS code, and some scripts, as with any page on the web (in most browsers, press F12 to see that). I know that's not what you are looking for, though.
#I've noticed that issue too, so I just make those external links. I don't know why it happens, but I don't have the ability to do troubleshooting on the server, so I just work around the problem.
:Unfortunately there are some minor issues which we might just need to live with for the time being. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:48, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

::Thank you very much, DavidB4! And speaking of #4, I noticed that there is no official template associated with the function, neither is there one for DEFAULTSORT. Is there a reason for such? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 01:18, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Yes, those functions are packaged in the wiki's base software. For these, no template pages are required since the software already knows what to do with them. These are called "magic words", and there are actually quite a number of them. A current list is available [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words here], although we are using an older version of the software, so a few of the newest "magic words" may not be supported here. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:47, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

::::Seems very interesting. Thank you DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 14:02, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::You're welcome! Sorry I couldn't help more with some of those points. For reference, we are using Wikimedia version 1.24, so on that list of magic words, any item listed for versions newer than this will probably not be supported. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:31, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

== Freddy Kita page, etc. ==

Hi DavidB4, did you see the [[Freddy Kita|this page]] and the notice I put on it? I also notified the user on their talk page [[User talk:Medinfo|here]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 22:58, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

:Also, another problem. [[Special:Contributions/NoMoreFakeNews|This user]] is edit warring on [[Michael Steele|this page]], adding in information that is quite unnoteworthy (Steele may currently be an [[anti-Trump]] commentator, although that is much less important than his previous [[conservative]] leadership; thus, the former [[RNC]] chairman can somewhat be compared to [[Barry Goldwater]]). The user first added info that was uncited, and after I reverted it, he then reverted that (edit warring), and in the description then only provided a source URL while falsely accusing me of being a [[liberal]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 01:33, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

::I noticed the Freddy Kita issue, and figured I would give this editor a few days to reply. This should be dealt with, though, so I did just add a note and a deletion template. In regard to Michael Steele, I think this issue might be worth noting somewhere in the article, perhaps under the "Opposition to Donald Trump" section. While it is only a small exchange of words, it does demonstrate his opposition to Trump and Trump's supporters, and his "establishment" mindset. McConnell did make a good point...historically, past presidents have not criticized their successors in public, out of respect for the office and their colleagues. That is, until Trump came along. Now for some reason it is perfectly acceptable for them to go around speaking ill of a successor. Obama is once again breaking that unwritten rule with a vengeance. When McConnell called him out for it, Steele attacked him. This means that Steele is so hateful towards Trump that he supports a past president attacking a sitting president, in contrary with standard professional behavoir. Considering the fact that even McConnell isn't always as conservative as we would like (although he has been a good supporter of Trump), this is an interesting exchange.
::NoMoreFakeNews should have included this reference initially though, and edit warring with you about it is not okay. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:49, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Ah, I see what you mean. I initially asserted that the information wasn't noteworthy largely because Steele's current influence as a [[Never Trumper]] doesn't mean very much compared to him previously being a [[conservative]] leader of the [[Republican party]]. I also noticed in the [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Michael_Steele&action=history page history here] that despite Steele having been [[anti-Trump]] for about four years now, no other CP editors really bothered to mention much about it, not even [[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 12:19, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

::::Yes, in the grand political landscape, it is rather insignificant. I just think it might be worth noting that fact about Steele himself, as a reference of character (or lack thereof). The fact no one has bothered with him lately does in itself say something... --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:40, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::Alright, I added the detail. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 13:04, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

::::::Looks good, thank you! I left a note for the other user, too. [[User talk:NoMoreFakeNews]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:18, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::::You're welcome DavidB4! Also, I don't know if you saw it, but there was a wave of vandalism earlier today that I had to deal with, and while [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] did block two one vandal and remove the username of another, [[Special:Contributions/Adam72|this presumed sockpuppet]] has yet to be blocked, and I created [[Template:Protection request|this template]] as well as [[:Category:Protection requests|this category]] out of the fact that at least two pages were being vandalized and edit warred over by idiotic trolls. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 19:56, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

Yes, I noticed some of it. I wasn't sure if Adam72 was actually trying to do something productive, or just vandalizing. It certainly wasn't a helpful edit. As for the protection template and category, I would caution not to go too far in that direction. Perhaps a few pages more should be protected, but not many. Protection can prevent vandals from attacking one specific page, but most of the time, they will just vandalize something else if they can't do that page. It doesn't stop the problem, just relocates it. Meanwhile, legitimate editors can't edit those pages either. Page protection has been a significant problem for me, since many pages have been put under infinite protection either because they were vandalized once or twice, or they just seemed like things someone didn't think would need to edited again soon. The only thing harder to get than page protection, is getting a page unprotected. I have lists of pages and files which I want to edit, but cannot, because they are locked to the full administrator level. I'm not saying that page protection doesn't have its place, just that it should be used very sparingly. I also then to think that when a page is protected in response to vandalism, it should have an expiration date. Maybe 6 months, maybe even 2 or more years, but I think the default in most cases should be that they ultimately become unlocked again. We can't protect every page that might be vandalized and still expect our content to stay up to date. 
Pardon the rant...I think this can be used beneficially, but it should be done sparingly. This is in large part why I made Minuteman. It can deal with vandalism wherever it occurs, by blocking the offending user and reverting the unwanted edits. However, at Andy's request, it has been offline recently to slightly reduce server load while we sort out that problem. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:53, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

:Almost four years ago, we discussed this problem. Andy, several admins, several SysOps (including myself) and several other editors all agreed that we had a problem with too many pages being locked. Andy suggested that I create a category, which we could use to tag pages which had no real need to be locked, so they could be easily identified and unlocked. I did ([[:Category:Pages Proposed For Unlocking]]), and for the first few days, it worked...some pages were unlocked so they could be updated. But then, it died out and no one was unlocking pages any more. Eventually, people stopped tagging them, since it wasn't doing any good. Maybe I will try reminding people of that, but it probably won't go anywhere. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:04, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

::Ah I see. And about [[Special:Contributions/Adam72|Adam72]], I'm pretty sure the user is a sockpuppet of [[Special:Contributions/AdamEve|AdamEve]], as the edits made on the same page were very similar, and the latter account vandalized other pages as well. Can you check the IP addresses of the users just to make sure? Thank you DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 21:33, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Oh yes, good point about Adam72. They used a different IP to evade the block, but obviously it is the same person. I should have looked more closely. I blocked them. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:40, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

::::Alright, thank you DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 21:43, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::You're welcome, and thanks for pointing it out! By the way, it looks like I made a special request for a few of those pages to be unlocked, which Andy did. Then Karajou unlocked some as well. Perhaps I spoke too soon...I was pleasantly surprised to find that several have been taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:50, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

== Can't figure out how to fix [[Template:Infobox officeholder/Personal data]]... ==

Hi DavidB4, can you help me fix [[Template:Infobox officeholder/Personal data]], specifically with the "Military Service" section? The only possible way that I could get an idea of how to improve it was to examine the source code of [[Template:Officeholder|this template]], and the only way to check whether the modified version works or not was to open a new tab, open up [[CP]], and enter in a page where the template is being transcluded into ''in addition to'' the "Military Section" section (I checked via the [[Don Bolduc]] page). A while ago, I asked [[User:TerryH|TerryH]] on his talk page [[User_talk:TerryH#Template_usage_help...|here]], but he never responded. Only very recently did I just figure out the exact problem only with what was wrong, and I asked Andy ([[User_talk:Aschlafly#Improvising_a_protected_template|here]]) to do a very specific edit on the then-protected template, but Andy just unprotected it for me to to edit, and I got somewhat frustrated yesterday trying to get everything to work well. The colored cell surrounding the text would initially work, but wouldn't extend all the way across to the right. I then fixed that, but couldn't remove the extraneous pipe character in front of "Military service". Right now, I just want to the increase the font size for "Military Service" without also effective the font size for the details below and remove the unnecessary pipe. Do you think you can help me with that? The revision history [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_officeholder/Personal_data&action=history here] might help give an idea as to what I was intending to do but made mistakes on. Once again, I really appreciate all the help you can offer, and thank you DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 12:24, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

:Hmm... That ''is'' a problem. I'm really not very good at editing templates. I wonder if the problem might have something to do with the <code><nowiki>{{!-}}</nowiki></code> on line 177. I think it is supposed to be <code><nowiki>{{!}}-</nowiki></code>, but making that change did not resolve this issue. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

::Ah, I see. Well, thank you for trying to improvise it. I'll probably further examine the template source codes later. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 14:21, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

:::I will try to spend more time on it later as well. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:44, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

::::Great news! Taking a cue from [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Officeholder&action=edit this template's source code], it turned out that the extraneous pipe resulted from <code><nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki></code>, so I removed it and added <code><nowiki> </nowiki></code>. So now I'm just hoping to increase the text size only for “Military Service”, and potentially lighten the cell color if need be to match with the officeholder cell color for the overall template. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 22:57, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::Nice job! I've slightly increased the text size, also. I don't know how big you are thinking, though. Also, I'm not sure what color it is you are trying to match with. I don't see a color on the base template, so I didn't make any changes to that yet. It should be fairly easy to do. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:54, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

::::::Thanks! And about the color matching, I was referring to the cell color surrounding the text of office titles. While there aren't any such cells for the [[Donald Bolduc]] page, there are for pages like [[John Neely Kennedy|this one]], and I'll most likely try lightening the color for the cell surrounding the "Military Service" text. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 15:00, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

::::::Unfortunately, there is another problem arising. Where the "Military Service" used to only show up for infobox officeholder templates only if certain details are specified, now it always shows up for every page with the template. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 15:02, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::::Yes, I noticed that issue. It looks like a conditional show statement broke. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:06, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

::::::::Good thing I just fixed it. The problem arose out of the fact that <code><nowiki>!colspan="2" style="background:#E5CDFF;font-size=115%"{{!}}<big>Military Service</big></nowiki></code> was outside the <code><nowiki>{{#ifeq:}}</nowiki></code>, so I simply put it in there. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 15:09, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::::::Ah yes, there it is! Nice catch. I just matched the background color, also. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

::::::::::Nice! Just to note, and I should have specified, I was thinking of making the background color more of a tint of purple to match the lightness of the #E6E6FA, though I can adjust it easily. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 15:16, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::::::::Oh, Ok. Feel free to adjust it as you want. I'll try to avoid stepping on your toes. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:47, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

== DavidB4-bot replacing ’ with ' ==

Hi DavidB4, I'm just curious, why is your bot replacing ’ with ' when it comes to apostrophes? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 21:44, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

:It's a minor thing, but the ’ is an [[ASCII]] character, while the ' is [[unicode]]. When it comes to fonts, the ASCII apostrophe is sometimes displayed oddly by some software, while the unicode one typically looks as it should. For example, Apple and Microsoft differ in how this is displayed, but they agree on how the unicode one is shown. Therefore, the unicode one is generally favored. Some search engine spiders allegedly prefer unicode, thus ranking pages which use the unicode ones higher (of course, search engines try not to tell all their secrets though, so it's hard to be sure) than pages using the ASCII version. I know they look very similar, but if you look at [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Maggie_Hassan&action=history edits when this change is made], you will see that a few [[Byte|bytes]] have been removed from the page. This is because unicode uses a smaller reference number for it than ASCII does. Here is an article which touches on the topic, in case you want a better explanation.: [https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/quotes.html]
:I don't mind if the "wrong" (ASCII) one is used, but since the bot is semi-automated anyway, I figure it might as well change them when it notices them. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:07, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

::Ah, interesting. I tend to prefer using ‘’ and “” over <nowiki>''</nowiki> and "" respectively largely because the former apostrophe/quotation marks specify which to use for beginning and which for closing. Also, speaking of byte count, why does – and — take up three bytes each? And how come wikifying a link (adding two brackets on each side = +4) sometimes only nets +3 bytes in an edit, as seen [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Mitch_McConnell&diff=1626725&oldid=1626724 here] ([https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Mitch_McConnell&action=history page history])? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 23:23, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

:::Yes, it seems to me that those should be the standard ones to use, but they are not. Unless everyone agrees to make the ASCII characters uniform between platforms, or adds more unicode characters, it looks like we are stuck with this issue.
:::Dashes and hyphens are each a single (Unicode, I think) digit code. Therefore, although the binary bits are different, there are the same number of them since the same character size is allocated either way.
:::As for the four brackets only adding 3 bytes...I don't know, that is odd. I'd never noticed that before, but now you've got me wondering. Typically one character takes up one byte, so I would generally expect a byte count like that to be due to another character (such as a space) being removed. Since that doesn't seem to be happening here, I don't think I have an explanation. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:58, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

::::I see. Thank you DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 01:19, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

== Restricting editing to "autoconfirmed" doesn't deter vandalism ==

Hi again DavidB4, I just thought it's important to note that protecting pages to the "autoconfirmed" level doesn't seem to prevent vandalism at all. After, all, [[Wikipedia|this page]] was still blanked by a troll who had created their account just the minute previous. Is there any way to raise the bar in order for users to be "autoconfirmed"? Or is there a protection level that would allow editing only if users have any additional tags such as SkipCaptcha? That way, all genuine editors who are granted a "SkipCaptcha" can edit such pages. Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 13:02, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

:By the way, do you think there's any chance that Andy might grant me additional tags anytime soon? Sometimes I'm able to revert vandalism caused by idiotic trolls before any other editor gets to it, so a "Block" tag could be useful there. Also, [[Special:Contributions/Jackmann|this troll]] that I just mentioned hasn't been blocked yet. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 13:20, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

::I just blocked them--thanks for the quick response there. I agree, the autoconfirm system isn't very effective right now. I don't know for this version specifically, but I did [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Locking_my_user_page|post on Andy's page]] a little while ago about how you would typically change autoconfirm protection settings. However, that is something only someone with filesystem access can do. As for blocking privileges, I would not be surprised if you got them fairly soon. However, such privileges cannot usually be requested. All I can say is keep at it, and you will probably get them eventually. There is no published criteria for promotion, so that's about the best I can say. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:41, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

:::I'm working on adding something to Minutman which should help with the server load concern. I'm hoping to bring it back online soon. That should help some. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:42, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

::::Ah, I see. Thank you once again, DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 13:49, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

:::::Any time! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:17, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

== Anti-vandalism suggestion ==

Hi DavidB4, I have a suggestion that could potentially be effective in stopping vandalism. You mentioned [[Conservapedia:Image_upload_requests#Request_to_change_title_of_article|here]] that one of your bots is set to inform you via email whenever the move or delete template is used on [[CP]]. Is it possible to set that bot to alert you such that an edit is made by any user who, when published that edit, had less than 100 previous edits? That way, new accounts created merely to vandalize this site can quickly be spotted. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 01:49, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

:Hi, so you are thinking that anytime a user with less that 100 contributions makes an edit, I get an email? If I understood you correctly, that seems like it would get very noisy. If I was was able to check on every one of those, it could help. However, that seems like something which would just become too time consuming. In any case, I'm currently having difficulty pulling a user's edit count using a bot, so I can't base anything on this statistic, right now. I am hoping to find a way to do it at some point, but haven't had the time to troubleshoot the issue. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

::Oh, I see the problem with the email load. So here's a (great) satirical joke idea: you can make an extra super-intelligent bot, connect it to your email in addition to the same bleach-bitting thing [[Hillary Clinton]]'s email server uses; that way, it can automatically analyze the emails your bot sends to you and mass-delete if need be on its superintelligence and ability to analyze whether the edits should be further examined or not. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|Just say no to quid pro joe!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Free Roger Stone!]]''''' 17:54, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

:::Well that got complicated quickly...haha! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:22, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

== I put this message on ProgressingAmerica's talk page ==

I put the below message on [[User talk:Progressingamerica]]:

I am glad you liked my idea for a Conservapedia chat area.

I suggest getting together with [[User:DavidB4]] who is technically knowlegeable/adept.

Maybe he would be willing to help you set up a Conservapedia [https://discord.com/ Discord] channel.

Once it is set up, I can advertise it in appropriate areas at Conservapedia (front page, relevant articles on Conservapedia at Conservapedia.

DavidB4 set up a IRC chat channel, but I don't think IRC is as good as Discord (but I could be wrong about this matter).

I would learn Discord myself, but I am pressed for time at this time due to off wiki affairs.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:24, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

:Yes, if we want such a thing, I can help. I'm just unsure as to whether it will actually be used. We could try it, but as you mentioned, the IRC channel never really got used. One other catch--[https://archive.is/hGtDw Discord is liberal], like most tech companies. They may kick us out if they don't like what we have to say. We could try something from the "ant-media" like Gab Chat, but I think that only supports chromium browsers at the moment, which could be inconvenient to some people. I don't know if there are other good options. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:27, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
::Maybe it will be used. I don't know. I am going to be busy off wiki so I will not use it. I am just being frank about this. I don't want to give the impression that will use it. I might have used it earlier, but I am busy off wiki at this period in my life.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:49, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
:::Andy Schafly, might want [https://telegram.org/ Telegram] to be used instead for a chat channel because it sounds more mainstream than Discord. But I really don't know much about Discord and Telegram as far as their pros and cons.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:14, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
::::I've heard good things about Telegram, but never used it. They [https://gizmodo.com/why-you-should-stop-using-telegram-right-now-1782557415 don't use E2E encryption by default] but many platforms don't, including Discord. Since we are looking for a space to carry on public discussion, I don't think that will be a concern. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:48, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

== Questions about Conservapedia functions, etc. ==

Hi DavidB4, I have some questions about the [[Conservapedia]] system regarding some functions whose associated rights I don't yet have. I was reading this [[Special:ListGroupRights|special page on user rights]] and it said that anyone with the "protect" tag can edit cascade-protected pages. So if understand correctly, does it mean, for example, if Template:A transcluded into Template:B and the latter was fully protected with the "cascading" option set on, then anyone with the "protect" tag can edit Template:A so long as it isn't fully protected itself? Also, about the oversight ability to hide usernames, is the action reversable? [[Conservapedia:Oversight|This page]] says that revisions hidden through oversighting can be restored by a developer, but does this apply to usernames, and what counts as a developer? I had asked Karajou [[User_talk:Karajou#Hiding_revisions_on_two_CP_pages|here]] a month ago regarding trying to hide the vandalized revisions left by the two troll accounts who posted the links to obscene websites, but he said that he couldn't restore the usernames in any way. In addition, about "rollback", is there anything special about getting the tag? From what I know in terms of having reverted messes left by vandals, all one really needs to do is click on the most recent non-vandalized revision, click "Edit", and save the page. Thank you DavidB4!

Also, taking a cue from the way you changed the font color for your signature, I was finally able to figure out the correct formatting to change the font color on [[United States Senate election in Maine, 2020|this page]], and I do appreciate all the help you offered [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Changing_font_colors...|here]]! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 23:29, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

:Hi Liberaltears,
:In regard to protect, that is essentially correct. Any content which is given cascading protection and then included on another page, will carry that protection with it. So if Template:A is given cascading protection, then it is included on Template:B, PageA, and PageB, all three would inherit the same protection as Template:A. This can be problematic in many cases, so it is rarely used. The "Protect" privilege enables the option to add protection to a page, but only to a level which that user can still edit it. So I have the "protect" tag, but I do not have the "Administrator" tag. I can protect pages to the next level down (Autoconfirmed) and I can edit such protection as well. However, I cannot protect a page to the Administrator level, since I do not have that tag. I also cannot edit any page protected to that level, or change that protection.
:Oversight has never really worked for me. However, my understanding is that those with the "Oversight" tag can hide usernames and edits, but not restore them. I believe there is a way to restore this later, but I don't know who can do that. Perhaps only Andy is able. You might be able to learn more about it here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Oversight]
:[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Rollback Rollback] makes it a one-click operation to revert a series of unwanted edits to a page. It adds a link to the Recent Changes page, which can be clicked to revert all edits by that user to that page. You can do the same thing without it using the steps you described, this just makes it a little easier to do.

:I'm glad to hear you were able to get that font fixed, too! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

::Thank you for the explanation, DavidB4! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 23:56, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

::By the way, I had also noticed that "Siteadmin", "check user", and "oversight" abilities aren't included in "Administrator" privileges. Is there a specific reason for that? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 23:59, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

:::You're welcome! I don't really know, but my guess would be that these abilities were added on top of the base wiki capabilities. I'm pretty sure that "check user" is provided by a Wiki plugin, and I think "Siteadmin" is a custom tag. I thought oversight came with the base wiki software, but perhaps it is an addon as well. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:09, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

::::Ah, I see. And thank you once again! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 00:10, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

==Tag-team editing==
Hi, David. Thanks for [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Dropbox&curid=160189&diff=1664410&oldid=1664284 this edit] to [[Dropbox]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 20:32, 2 July 2020 (EDT)

:Hi Ed, happy to help--thanks for creating it! I was a little surprised that we didn't have articles on things like Dropbox and Google Drive. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:48, 3 July 2020 (EDT)

==Christianity by Continent Category==

Hi David. I created some brief articles on Christianity by Continent such as: https://www.conservapedia.com/Christianity_in_Africa I want to add a Category called "Christianity by Continent" uniting this with Christianity in (1) Asia (2) Europe, (3) North America (4) South America and (5) Australia

Can you please do that, or can I do it myself. I added the see also links and other things in the page itself. I wasn't sure about the category thing.

Take care and God Bless,
Nishant Xavier. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 00:28, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

P.S. I also want to create a Christianity by category sub-category which I hope will include all countries of all continents. Andy also asked me to work on a project which I hope to begin tomorrow; and I need to at least have the basic template of this up before we can successfully begin Project 150 MN [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 00:30, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

:Hi Nishant, I'd be happy to help! One thing I'm not quite certain about first, though. Do you think these articles should be considered (almost entirely) christian history, or will there be a fair amount of modern info as well? I see on the Africa one, there is a sizable piece on modern Christianity, but some others seem to focus on the past. I just want to make sue before I go ahead with adding them. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:46, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Hi David! I plan for them to be a complete compendium of everything that pertains to Christianity on that Continent. The Africa model is more like what the others will look like when they are finished. Beginning with the history to be sure, but a lot of focus on the current Christian Demographics on that Continent. So the articles will be progressively improved going forward. Hope that clears it up. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 01:56, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

:Yes, that's good to know, and sounds like a good plan! I've added two categories to each, "Christianity by Continent" (which links them to "Christianity") and the continent's category. Does that look good? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:57, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Hi David. It looks great thanks. I saw that Asia alone had to be added and seeing how you added to the other continents, I added the one for Asia. So it's all done now. Thanks again and hope all is well, David. God Bless. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 22:53, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

:Ah yes, it looks like I missed that one for some reason. Thanks! Just one other comment, category names should generally be capitalized, except for conjunctions. So, I renamed [[:Category:Christianity by country]] as [[:Category:Christianity by Country]]. Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:54, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Thanks again David for your help. I think it's all good now. I want to create articles for Christianity in every country (and only about 3 or 4 are done so far, out of 203 - so 200 more to go!) and some other things like the historical list of Popes for whom also there are nearly 200 entries vacant right now. So that will keep me busy for some time. CP should cross 50,000 pages soon. I'll be sure to ask if anything comes up. God Bless you. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 00:24, 15 July 2020 (EDT)

:It sounds like you have a lot to do! Okay, well thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:25, 15 July 2020 (EDT)

== Question about [[:File:Andrew Romanoff.jpg]] ==

Hi DavidB4, I noticed in [[:File:Andrew Romanoff.jpg|this file]] you uploaded that the page apparently doesn't exist, with a "Create" option appearing on the top right. I'm just curious, how is that possible? Usually when a file is uploaded, the action is listed in the revision history of the page, though there apparently isn't a revision history for the file. I also noticed that on the bottom of the page, it doesn't say how many times the page was accessed. Does this has to do with the fact that the page is empty in terms of bytes? Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 12:42, 17 July 2020 (EDT)

:Well that's odd. Yes, I suppose it must not count as a page if there is no text. I always add text to uploads though, so I don't know how that happened. Anyway, I added basic source info--I'm glad you pointed that out! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:00, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
::Okay, thank you DavidB4! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]]''''' 15:18, 17 July 2020 (EDT)

== Question ==

Hi DavidB4, there's something I ought to ask you about; is there any way for you to email [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]]? The reason I'm asking this is because I have replied to his questions and issues but he doesn't respond back most of the time, and I have no idea if he ever sees what I say or not. After he created [[R. Harmon Drew, Sr.|this page]] that contained invisible characters which were encoded into the URL, BHathorn created [[R._Harmon_Drew,_Sr.|this duplicate page]] asking what happened. This type of problem was already discussed on [[CP:IUR]] after he had added a move request there, but I'm not sure if he saw our responses or not. If you can email him, can you please tell him that I answered his question the best I could on that duplicate page? I saw that he has made edits after my response, so I'm not sure if BHathorn may have just forgotten to check back on that. Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Thursday, 20:25, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

I'm also not sure if BHathorn may have just saw the message and didn't have anything to reply in particular. I do know that he did once reply to a message I put on his talk page [[User_talk:BHathorn#Template:Infobox_officeholder_updated|here]]. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Thursday, 20:28, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

:Hi, unfortunately I do not have an email address for BHathorn. I guess you could try posing on his talk page though, since that generates an alert. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:03, 8 August 2020 (EDT)

::I've posted messages on BHathorn's talk page, but I'm really unsure if he either ignores them now or reads them but just doesn't respond. I've noticed several times that he tends to post questions and requests for actions he doesn't have permissions for (such as moving pages), but doesn't respond to the thread most of the time. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 19:07, 8 August 2020 (EDT)

:::Yes, I've noticed the same. I've kind of assumed that he does see, but just doesn't reply. I'm not sure though. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:49, 8 August 2020 (EDT)

::::By the way, those are interesting userboxes you created. :) --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:57, 8 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::Thanks! Are you referring to the two most recent userbox templates I created regarding my irritation over the server errors/bad gateways? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Sunday, 22:58, 8 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::Yes, the ones about the 5xx errors. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:47, 9 August 2020 (EDT)

== Question about certain files ==

Hi DavidB4, I have a question about certain files and their properties when used as thumbnails. So when I was adding an image for the [[United States Senate elections, 2020]] page [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=United_States_Senate_elections,_2020&diff=1675122&oldid=1675121 here] for the South Dakota section, I was trying to adjust the size of [[:File:M. Michael Rounds.gif]] to 200px, but noticed that the image size didn't change (see comparison between [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=United_States_Senate_elections,_2020&diff=1675121&oldid=1675120#South_Dakota here] and [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=United_States_Senate_elections,_2020&diff=1675122&oldid=1675121#South_Dakota here]). Is there a specific reason for this? Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 22:52, 7 August 2020 (EDT)

:I think typically, 200px is the default display size. You can check what your account is set to use [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering here]. If your thumbnail size is set to 200 (which is most likely is) then adding the 200px variable will not change anything for you. Maybe try a larger size? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:07, 8 August 2020 (EDT)

::Okay, I'll try that. Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 19:49, 8 August 2020 (EDT)

== Really strange occurrence ==

Hi DavidB4, there's something really strange that happened that I need to ask you about. For some weird reason, I'm unable to access [[User:Liberaltears/Images_to_request_for_uploading|this user subpage of mine]], with a pop-up saying that "Access to this page is forbidden". I don't get it; what's going on? Is it a server/system error or did someone lock me out of accessing the page? Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Monday, 21:48, 9 August 2020 (EDT)

:Hmm... That's not supposed to happen. We are trying to fix the current 500 error issues, so this might be an accidental side affect of the tinkering in the background. I'll see what I can find out. I'm sure it's nothing personal, or intentional. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:57, 9 August 2020 (EDT)

::I still think these 500 error issues (in addition to a "401 administrator" error that also popped up earlier this morning) may be the result of a DOS attack on this site. My thought here is that some determined trolls may be trying to attack the site to deny access to it because, to put it simply, they hate us, they hate and fear the truth and they hate and fear the messages and info we try to deliver with the site and its articles. If this weren't the case, then we wouldn't be on those trolls' radar and they wouldn't be trying to pull these stunts to keep people who want to see this site from seeing it and learning that Wikipedia and the liberal media are not what its supporters and apologists play them (or what they try to pass off as "factual" information and "news") up to be. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 09:29, 10 August 2020 (EDT)

:::What I saw earlier this morning (around three hours ago) was more of a "400 page doesn't exist" type of error; I have no idea what happened, and I was worried out of apprehension for a while that this site may have been permanently taken down or something. What I wanted to mention here yesterday night in response to DavidB4's reply was cut short by a 500 ISE that lasted for about half an hour to forty minutes, then the entirety of the site had access restricted to certain administrators. Personally, I was worried that the reason I was blocked off from accessing my user subpage initially may have had something to do with being a bit too incessant with pleading for upload rights to Andy, or maybe it had something to do with the nasty disputes with RobSmith/VargasMilan/Shobson20, but it could've very well been hackers who are deranged commies. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Monday, 10:28, 10 August 2020 (EDT)

:::Conservative said [[User:Conservative/mail#These_500_Errors_are_intolerable|here]] that he thinks the server issues could've been caused by high web traffic. I really have doubts over that, because if such high web traffic was the case, then a 500 ISE would show up, blocking people from accessing this site. Thus the server then has no viewers to handle with and the problem shouldn't take half an hour to resolve. Besides, I haven't seen page views climb exceedingly; even while I've been working really hard (as in possibly sometimes spending 90-100 minutes at a time on a computer screen) on [[United_States_Senate_elections,_2020|this page]] with many edits, the page views hasn't jumped by more than 1,000 in the past few days. I do hope that with good efforts and more hard work, 10,000 views can be reached in the next few days for that. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Monday, 10:38, 10 August 2020 (EDT)

::::Yeah, the errors are site-wide. Some people have been trying to fix it, with varied success so far. The original announcement was that it was due to heavy traffic or a DDoS attack, and that probably is part of it, but my suspicion is that there is a bug somewhere in the wiki itself or its database, which is perhaps being exacerbated by high load. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:16, 11 August 2020 (EDT)

It's always up for 30 minutes, then down for 40. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 20:46, 14 August 2020 (EDT)
:At least you can access this site. The only reason I'm here is because of a web proxy (sorry about temporarily violating [[Conservapedia:Guidelines#Member_Accounts|the guidelines]]), because over the last few days, a "403 - Forbidden" notice would pop up every time I try opening CP; I got so confused and puzzled over this that I created an account on RW (very hesitantly) just so I could ask RobSmith what was going on. And I still don't know the answer to the latter. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 21:47, 14 August 2020 (EDT)

:Also, if there's really no other way to get on here, do you suppose it's okay to use a proxy to get on CP here for now, at least until "403 - Forbidden" notices stop popping up for me? I really have almost nothing better to do aside from CP editing. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 21:51, 14 August 2020 (EDT)

::Email DavidB4 at davidb4p-2154@archnet.us and give him your external IP address and get him to tell the system to stop blocking it. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 22:45, 14 August 2020 (EDT)

:::Can't DavidB4 just use check user to find out the IP address I normally use? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 22:50, 14 August 2020 (EDT)

::::LT, I can't believe that was you; I figured it to be just another of Ace's socks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]] 23:35, 14 August 2020 (EDT)
::::Anyway I got 3 day block for talking about KKKommie-la. Anything that doesn't toe the party line is racist, misogynist, and reborn birtherism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]] 23:39, 14 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::Yeah, unfortunately for now, the only way I can edit is through [https://www.kproxy.com/ this proxy], which allows me to bypass the "403 - Forbidden" errors but not the "500 - Internal Server Errors"; that at least allows me to access this site. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 00:34, 15 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::It looks like my reply was lost when this site was being upgraded to a new server. In case you didn't see my reply, I posted that I had gotten your IP, and ensured that it was unblocked. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:57, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::::The problem is that I'm still unable to access CP normally because of "403 - Forbidden" pop-ups. Since you're a tech expert, do you suppose it could have something to do with something on my end, such as the IP address I normally use and the WiFi associated with it that I'm connected to? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Monday, 01:03, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

Still?? Hmmm...that shouldn't be happening. Since my last post a couple days ago, all IPs should have been unblocked. Do I assume correctly that you tried the usual process of clearing your cookies and browser cache, and connecting in with Private Browsing? 
I grabbed the IP address you have been using up until August 10th. Since then, you've been connecting in from a lot of different IPs, probably from your proxy service...unfortunately, I can't tell for sure which one(s) used since then are your real IP. If clearing your browser doesn't work, could you get your external IP (using a service like this: https://www.whatsmyip.org ) and send it to me either via email, or using [https://l.archnet.us/emaildavidb4cp this form] (no email address required for that)? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:16, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

:It's important to flush the entire browser cache history if errors are still occurring, or try to access from a new browser than you have not used.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 01:29, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

::Andy, I just cleared my browser of the cache history and opened a new window, but that didn't stop the pop-up. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Monday, 01:41, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

:::Liberaltears, I got your message. Would it be convenient for you to try accessing CP from another internet connection using the same computer you are currently having issues from? I expect it will work to do this, but if it doesn't that might help us nail down the issue. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:18, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

::::I unfortunately don't have access to other internet connections at the moment. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Monday, 10:41, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::Hmm...Okay. Well I'm at a bit of a loss. Andy says all the IP blocks have been cleared, so the only reason I can think of that you would still be blocked is that somewhere, something is cached which should not be. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:38, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::Another pretty basic suggestion: did you try using a different browser altogether? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:27, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::::I just tried directly accessing CP with two other browsers, but neither have worked. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 22:33, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::::Interesting. Okay, I have a couple more another harebrained suggestions. If you want, first try clearing your PC's DNS cache. On Windows, you can do this by opening Command Prompt, and typing in "ipconfig /flushdns" (without the quotes) and pressing enter. If you still can't access CP after that, next try setting a custom DNS server in your operating system or browser. Since the process differs from one browser to another, it might be easiest to set it in your operating system. If this doesn't work, it's easy to undo. [https://pchelp.ricmedia.com/set-custom-dns-servers-windows/ Here is a guide] for setting it up on Windows. I would suggest using Cloudflare for this purpose (1.1.1.1 & 1.0.0.1) although there and other good options out there, like OpenDNS (208.67.222.222 & 208.67.220.220). Once set, clear your system's DNS cache again, and see if that works. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:49, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::::::I tried the first suggestion, but it didn't work. Regarding the second idea, it was somewhat confusing, and I'm not sure if I did it right, but it didn't work either. I'm just wondering though, why would such an error even occur in the first place? That type of problem never happened for me before the server problems that started showing up around four weeks ago. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 23:19, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

Yeah, sorry about that...it's not a very intuitive process. They don't expect average users to be tinkering with that. 
The answer to your question is somewhat complicated, but I will do my best to explain it. When CP changed over to its new server, the website's IP address changed. So, the domain name record was updated. This means that when you try going to "conservapedia.com," your browser retrieves the new server's IP, rather than the old one. It then connects to that IP address, and the average user is none the wiser that anything has changed. However, the domain name system is a complicated network of servers and caches, so it can take a little time for everyone to get the update. There are also safeguards in place to prevent anyone from being out of date for too long, typically. My thinking here is that perhaps your computer still has the old IP address, rather than the new one. This could happen for a few reasons, but realistically shouldn't happen for anywhere near this much time. Theoretically, your computer itself could have the old address cached. This means that it wouldn't even bother to ask anyone where to look for "conservapedia.com," but rather just go to where it always goes (which has recently become incorrect). However, there is an expiration date attached to that DNS record, so typically within a week, your computer will decide it is time to go ask someone else if the site has moved. (We forced it to do this, by clearing your DNS cache.) It gets an update by sending a request to your local DNS server, which is typically run by your internet service provider (ISP). Your ISP then in turn looks up that information from more authoritative source of information (ultimately an internet root server, although they may be intermediary servers). So, if your computer isn't caching the old DNS record longer than it should, my thinking was that perhaps it is getting a stale record from your upstream DNS server. That is why I suggested trying a different DNS server. 
Here's another idea: Try connecting to Conservapedia's IP address, rather than domain name: https://96.125.173.110/Main_Page
Your browser will give your a security warning or error message, because the HTTPS encryption isn't designed to work without a domain name. Most browsers still give you an option to continue to the site, although Chrome might not. I also would '''not''' recommend logging in to your account this way, since your credentials could be intercepted by malicious individuals online. However, there is no harm in just connecting, to see if you still get the error you have been getting. You should be getting the exact same site either way, just with the TLS encryption broken in this case. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:03, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

:Oh, okay. Just wondering though, why would I get a "403 - Forbidden" pop-up that says I "don't have permission to access this resource"? I'm not sure why that specific notice appears. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 02:11, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

::If you are connecting to the new CP server, well, you shouldn't be getting it. However, on the old server, some efforts were being made to block off portions of the internet as a temporary mitigation of the excessive server load. However, those blocks were reportedly only ever on the old server, so you should old be getting this error if you aren't actually getting connected to the new server. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:27, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

:::If that's the case, then it must be that I'm automatically connecting to the old server when trying to access CP. How long should it take at most before I connect to the new server? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 02:46, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

::::The current CP DNS record expires every 60 minutes. So, within one hour, you should start being directed to the new site, unless the old DNS record was different. That's why I don't see how/why this could even be happening. I have no better ideas at present, though. Did you try going [https://96.125.173.110/Main_Page here] (and continuing through the encryption error page), to see if you get the same 403 error? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:15, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::Would it be safe for me to add a security exception to access the site? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 14:20, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

::::::It should be fine. What your browser is warning you about is that an HTTPS encrypted connection can be created, but it can't verify that the site is actually who you think it is. HTTPS only works as intended when domain names are used, so replacing the name with its IP address causes it to partially break. So, a security exception in the case will apply only to this IP address (which you can verify is correct by using nslookup on the conservapedia.com record - type "nslookup conservapedia.com" in command prompt to see what IP address you should be using), allowing your browser to connect with the server specified even though it cannot automatically verify it is who you think it is. The only time such a security exception will come into play again is if you again visit this IP address directly in your web browser. The only danger is that you could potentially be going to the wrong address, and end up on a malicious website instead of the one you intend to reach. It's up to you though--you don't need to do this, it just would help us make use that you are getting the 403 error from the new server, rather than the old. If you're not comfortable with it, that's fine. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:29, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::::I just tried going on that site, but got the same error popping up. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 14:36, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

Hmm... Well that is very interesting... --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:30, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

:There we go! It looks like Andy found the problem, which was affecting you only. Please try it again, and if that doesn't work, clear your cache and retry. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:40, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

::Yep, the site functions normally again! So what had happened that halted me from getting here directly? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 18:50, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

:::Unexpectedly your IP address got caught mistakenly in a small list that carried over from the old system in a deny file. Even though blocks were cleared, your IP address was mistakenly still stuck there. Glad it's working now and sorry for the oversight!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 19:01, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

::::How did my IP address even get into that list? —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Saturday, 19:08, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

:::::I know there was a bit of guesswork involved in troubleshooting things when the site broke, and part of that included trying to figure out if any particular IPs were causing problems in the backend. My guess would be that in this process, your IP was checked along with many others, including mine. It was certainly nothing personal, as they didn't even know who's IP was who's during that process. I got blocked initially as well, along with more than half of the internet. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 3 September 2020 (EDT)

::::::Ah, I see. Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Thursday, 18:07, 3 September 2020 (EDT)

== Minuteman ==

Hi DavidB4, I'm just curious, do you have [[User:Minuteman|Minuteman]] actively set up on CP right now? I have noticed before that the bot would automatically block any user account that has an inappropriate username or vandalizes pages to a certain degree. There has recently been some trolls who have either created accounts under foul names or vandalized pages (particularly [[Special:Contributions/LTtheasswipe|this idiot]] who isn't yet blocked while I'm typing this) that weren't blocked by Minuteman as vandals in the past have. Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Friday, 19:16, 21 August 2020 (EDT)

:Hi Liberaltears, Minuteman detected the site's instability a couple weeks ago, and shut down. I have been keeping it offline since then, while the site was being migrated to better hosting. Now that the site seems stable on this new server, I expect to be starting up Minuteman quite soon. I prefer not to publicly announce when it is going offline, since that would invite additional vandalism. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:00, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

::Ah I see. Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Monday,

::Too late, that "Coservapedia user get pro help/therapy" guy has been making more stupid socks. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 01:36, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

:::You know, one day if a friend of mine ever invites me to a puppet show, I'd be more than happy to go unless it has to do with ''sockpuppets''. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Monday,

::::You know... [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 05:47, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
----
I did nothing, and the robot Minuteman blocked me, I don't know why, it says "Temporary Minuteman block". - [[User:Punish China]]

:Hi Punish China, it could've been your post [[Talk:National_Basketball_Association|here]] in caps lock that caused the bot to think that you may have been a troll or something. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Sunday, 14:55, 20 September 2020 (EDT)

::Hi Punish China, it seems there were a few things Minuteman didn't like. Mainly, it was your edits to "Examples of Bias in Wikipedia" which it mistakenly thought were plagiarism, and your reference to RW. There were several contributing factors it was looking at for the former, but it still shouldn't have bothered you over these two things. I've made some adjustments, so it shouldn't give you any more trouble. Sorry for the trouble! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:12, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

== Another question ==

Hi DavidB4, I noticed that sometimes when entering CP, a title headline would pop up on the Main Page when such normally doesn't happen. Does it have anything directly to do with the recent errors? Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>Liberaltears</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 23:58, 28 September 2020 (EDT)

:"title headline"? Sorry, I'm not certain what you mean. Could you clarify? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:09, 29 September 2020 (EDT)

::So on the top of almost every page, the page title is automatically displayed, though this isn't the case for the Main Page. However, I noticed on multiple occasions recently that a title appears there, though clicking on "View source" or "View history" will cause it to disappear. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>Liberaltears</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 07:39, 29 September 2020 (EDT)

:::Odd. I see a title on the home page, which is simply "Conservapedia".
:::The site header includes the <code><nowiki><title>Conservapedia</title></nowiki></code> tag, which sets this value. It should always show as this, unless a script on the page changes it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:21, 29 September 2020 (EDT)

::::I probably should've been more specific, as I'm referring to the headline that shows up right above the contents/tools of a page, whether it's a special page, a content page, its source, history, etc. For example, when typing this response on this section, I see "Editing User talk:DavidB4 (section)". If I go to my contributions page, the headline simply says "User contributions". A headline doesn't show up for the Main Page under normal circumstances. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>Liberaltears</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 13:30, 29 September 2020 (EDT)

:::::Oh, okay. I misunderstood, so thanks for clarifying. Since we have a problem with data queries on the site right now, my best guess would be that yes, this is probably related to that problem. I don't know for sure though. I haven't noticed it, myself. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:48, 29 September 2020 (EDT)

== Webserver allowing spam ==

I noticed that you are blocking lots of IPs, why? And, what is with the "Webserver allowing spam"? - [[User:Punish China]]

:I believe it's because those IP addresses are being used by recent vandals, possibly to evade autoblocks. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>Liberaltears</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Wednesday, 19:46, 30 September 2020 (EDT)

::Those IPs would never be used by legitimate editors. The ones I have been blocking lately are specifically registered to cloud service providers, which are being used to run IP masking services. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:45, 1 October 2020 (EDT)
::Conservapedia's policy is that users must connect from their own IP addresses. Therefore, connecting to CP from any one of those IPs without permission from us would be a breach of that policy. However, for this purpose, I have only blocked account registration from those IPs. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 1 October 2020 (EDT)

== Question about cascading protection ==

Hi DavidB4, I'm just curious about the "cascading" option for page protections, is it possible for non-administrators with the "protect" tag like you to use it when semi-protecting pages? Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Thursday, 00:18, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

:Yes, it is available for any protection level. Of course, "semi-protection" seems to do nothing, but oh well. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:47, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

::Okay, that's very helpful because there should then be a way to indirectly protect pages so that only anyone with the "protect" and/or "Administrator" tag can edit them; if say, Page A and Page B need to be protected as such, then Page C can be created with "<nowiki></nowiki>" for its content and then be protected with the cascading option turned on. In that case, at least based off the [[Special:ListGroupRights|listed user rights]], editing Page A and Page B would be limited to those with the "protect" or "Administrator" tag. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Thursday, 08:36, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

:::Yes, in theory. That has sometimes been done for templates, so for example, anything with the homosexuality template gets cascading protection from that template. However, the only two things we can currently base our protection on are "autoconfimed" and "administrator" tags. Autoconfirm is unfortunately not working as intended for some reason, so realistically, the only locking option we have is restricting editing to "Administrator" tags. I wonder if it might be possible to add protection limiting editing to those with the "Edit" tag also, but I don't know if it can or would be done. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:27, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

::::So are you referring to pages that have Template:Homosexuality transcluded into them? From my understanding with the way cascading protection works, if the template is protected with cascading turned on, only templates/pages that transclude ''into'' the template would be affected, not pages that have Template:Homosexuality transcluded in them (correct me if I'm wrong). Also, regarding changing the number of protection levels, I think either Andy and/or the webmaster would know about it. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Thursday, 13:52, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

:::::Oh, no you're right. Yes cascading protection ensures that anything included on that page is also protected. I was getting it mixed up with something else. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:04, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

== File request ==

Hi. Can you upload [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Emblem_of_Turkey.svg this file] to the Conservapedia? It's a public domain. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 06:26, 17 October 2020 (EDT)

:Sure, here it is: [[:File:Emblem of Turkey.svg.png]] --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:28, 18 October 2020 (EDT)
::Thank you so much! Can you upload those files: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Istiklal_Caddesi_06_24_09_0068.jpg 1], [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iskenderun_church.jpg 2]? These are also public domain. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:09, 30 October 2020 (EDT)
Is there a problem? - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 01:36, 7 November 2020 (EST)
:It could be that DavidB4 is rather busy or didn't see your reply requesting those two files. I just uploaded them [[:File:Istiklal_Caddesi_06_24_09_0068.jpg|here]] and [[:File:Iskenderun_church.jpg|here]]. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 11:39, 7 November 2020 (EST)

::Andrewlee, thanks for the reminder there--I apologize, but I have had very little free time lately. Thank you LT for doing that! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:12, 9 November 2020 (EST)

== Why you undoed my edit ==
I was redirecting the page by copy+paste, then you moved automatically without doing that. So, the pages got switched, and the new page that got switched to the old page said #REDIRECT (New page), and the edit history was moved. Thus, my edit was undoed. (I had no intention to cause trouble) Am I right? --[[User:United States|United States]] ([[User talk:United States|talk]]) 17:04, 3 December 2020 (EST)

:The problem is that pages are not suposed to be moved using cut+paste. The edit history of pages must also be moved, along with the text. Otherwise, you are essentailly telling the world that you wrote the entire page, even though you didn't. I didn't think there were any subsiquent edits to the new page, so I deleted it to make room for the original, then moved that with its edit hitory to the new name. If there were subsiquent edits to the new page you created, they were unfortunately lost...I do appologize for that. I would have tried to preserve them if I had noticed. I would basically need to paste in your edits from the new page to the origianl, and include your name on the edit summary. That's that I typically do this this situation, although it's not at all ideal. Sorry for missing that! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:42, 3 December 2020 (EST)

== Request for DavidB4-bot ==

Hi DavidB4, if you have the time, can you see if you can have DavidB4-bot remove any zero-width spacing from CP pages that include it, particularly BHathorn's page creations? In articles like [[Bernard Bagert, Sr.|this one]], [[Major de Pingre'|this one]], and [[Bob McFarland|this one]], it causes an extraneous spacing due to it apparently being used on the top and bottom of the page, but it's invisible property makes it hard to find and remove, and this seems to be the case with dozens and dozens of pages. Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 00:06, 19 December 2020 (EST)

:Interesting...I've never really dealt with ZWSP issues before. I'll see what my options for this are. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:49, 23 December 2020 (EST)

::Okay, thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Wednesday, 18:43, 23 December 2020 (EST)

== What has happened with CreationWiki ==

Is there any way to contact the moderators of CreationWiki.org because it is a major source for Creation Science and it has been down for a long time. If you could contact them ask them what is happening and tell them to make the website to be back online. User:Kirikagure, 31 December 2020

I recently tried contacting them via email--it hasn't been long enough to expect a reply yet. Hopefully they are aware and working on the issue, but it has been offline for a while now. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:10, 1 January 2021 (EST)

== Is this appropriate? ==

Hi,

I don't really know how to put this diplomatically, but here's my best shot...

I have been looking through Conservapedia's content and I have noticed that the vast majority of it is defending and promoting the ideology of conservatism, however, it seems to lack a lot of non-politics/conservative related content on things like aircraft, history (non-US history), geography etc. I would be happy to write these types of articles for Conservapedia, however, I am worried about them not falling into the remit of Conservapedia, could you please confirm this? Don't worry, I won't be offended if you say no...

Thanks in advance! {{unsigned|Elnencatala}}

:Hi Elnencatala, certainly feel free to write on non-political topics! I agree, the current political issues are generally well-covered, but non-political topics can sometimes be a little lacking. Of course, try to focus on topics of public interest. The areas you mentioned sound great! In fact, history was one of the topics which was initially focused on when Conservapedia was founded (although there's more to be done). If there is a reasonable expectation of some of our readers wanting information on that topic (and keep in mind, some of our readers are homeschoolers), then by all means, go for it!
:Thanks for making sure--I look forward to seeing it! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:05, 2 January 2021 (EST)

==Source update request==
Hello, could you update the source link in this image? Correct link to LOC. [https://www.loc.gov/item/2009633684/] The link to "thisnation" has expired.
[[File:W-pray.jpg|left|200px|thumb|painted by H. Brueckner; engd. by John C. McRae]] {{unsigned|Progressingamerica}}
{{clear}}
:It looks like I can't. It is locked so that only a full admin can edit it. Probably Karajou, Conservative, or Andy could help you with that. Sorry about that! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:40, 7 January 2021 (EST)
==Thank you for the assistance==
You were right. The checkbox must be checked. I'm in. Thank you. - --[[User:CharlesShirley|CharlesShirley]] ([[User talk:CharlesShirley|talk]]) 09:36, 15 January 2021 (EST)

:I'm glad to hear that worked! Let me know if you have any other issues. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:30, 15 January 2021 (EST)

== Those people are socks I suspect. ==

They are all signing up the minute one of them gets blocked. --[[User:Yeschayi|Trump]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 18:48, 17 January 2021 (EST)

:Yeah, that's what these losers do when they're bored. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:49, 17 January 2021 (EST)

:I agree. --[[User:Yeschayi|Trump]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 18:51, 17 January 2021 (EST)

== Who is Sievert81RW? ==

Is it sievert himself or another sock of the person vandalising rightist articles? --[[User:Yeschayi|Trump]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 18:52, 17 January 2021 (EST)
:Not sure, I haven't checked. Sievert81 did get blocked a while back, so either way, this person is unwanted. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:09, 17 January 2021 (EST)
:Could be his sock account. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 19:12, 17 January 2021 (EST)
::It's him, and I just sent his IP address on a little vacation, though I'm not sure if it will work with this bug we have going on. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 21:54, 17 January 2021 (EST)
:Keep an eye out for his socks, he could reset his router. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 21:55, 17 January 2021 (EST)
::If he resets his IP address to evade a block I will send a report to his ISP for unauthorized access. Since I believe he is a teenager, it should be interesting when his parents get that nastygram from the cable company. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 21:59, 17 January 2021 (EST)
::They’ll probably ground him or something, keep an eye out for potential socks of sievert though, --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 22:04, 17 January 2021 (EST)

== Hi there. ==

Later, i'm going to re write more of the [[Windows 95]] article. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 14:46, 18 January 2021 (EST)
:Ok, sounds good. Thanks! I didn't mean to pounce on you, but just wanted to head off any future issues by checking now. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 18 January 2021 (EST)

== Conservapedia priorities ==

Please see [[Conservapedia:Project Priorities]] and update, protect, etc. as, of course, you see fit.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 23:47, 19 January 2021 (EST)

== Please undelete Gypsy Taub ==

Please undelete [[Gypsy Taub]]. Karajou must not have been feeling well when he deleted it a few days ago.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 08:18, 22 January 2021 (EST)
:You'll need to speak with Karajou about that...I don't have the authority to override his decisions. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:16, 22 January 2021 (EST)
::(Offensive comment retracted. I apologize. I was wrong.).--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 21:56, 22 January 2021 (EST)
:::CP does have a No Personal Attacks policy similar to WP's, so you need to mind your Ps and Qs when trash talking another editor. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:18, 22 January 2021 (EST)
::::Any licensed psychiatrist would agree with my assessment of the situation. I have a psychiatric diagnosis of schitzoaffective disorder and I faithfully take my meds. I am as right as rain. Karajou probably thinks that there is some oh-so-terrible stigma with getting the help of a licensed proffessional. He may have served his country but he has some growing up to do.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 23:22, 22 January 2021 (EST)
:::::User:Amorrow, your insulting comment about another editor is false and offensive. Please retract it and apologize immediately. More generally, we're building an encyclopedia here and non-encyclopedia content is not allowed. Thank you.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 23:29, 22 January 2021 (EST)
:::::::Andy, my dear man: please review [[Right to Privacy#Privacy is obsolete]] and get up to speed about the online encyclopedia of the coming decade. Please, please face facts: EVERYTHING is going online and going public. People will no longer keep paper records of any sort except for official documents. Even those will be copied online for the world to see. Soon children will ask "How could you old fogies ever survive without EVERYTHING being online?" Please also carefully review [[Conservapedia:Project Growth]]. This project is not living in the encyclopedias of the 1950s but the 1850s. My goodness: you are a Harvard man. Hide bound in tradition yes but you are a leader. You have no excuse for not keeping up with the fast crowd. The leading bleeding edge!--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 23:44, 22 January 2021 (EST)

== Uncategorized files ==

I fixed up [[Uncategorized files]] so that the links work again. I would be eager to work on that project if I could get some teamwork to happen.--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 19:51, 22 January 2021 (EST)
:David, we're trying to categorize all images in [[:Category:Images]]. I thought there were 25,000, but Amorrw says 2,500. I don't know which is correct. But we need a bot to fix this. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:02, 22 January 2021 (EST)
::I might be able to have a bot do it, but these images are admin locked, so I would need Admin-level protect/unprotect in order to do it. This is why I gave up on the project years ago, because I simply couldn't. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:58, 22 January 2021 (EST)

== A quick task for you ==

Please see [[User talk:Amorrow#Images]].--[[User:Amorrow|Amorrow]] ([[User talk:Amorrow|talk]]) 21:31, 22 January 2021 (EST)

==Proposal==
We would appreciate your input at [[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Proposal]]. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:59, 1 February 2021 (EST)

== Debate ==

:Hello David. I would like to get your input at a debate page I set up [[Debate:Should the United States attack Pakistan?]]. Thanks.[[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 21:09, 1 February 2021 (EST)

::Hi,
::I haven't really been paying enough attention to the geopolitical landscape over there lately, to form an educated opinion. If I get some time, I'll try to take a look. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)

==Request==
Please delete my account and user page. Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:32, 3 February 2021 (EST)
:No problem. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 00:15, 4 February 2021 (EST)
::Bye Rob. Best of luck in your future endeavors! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:29, 4 February 2021 (EST)

== TY note ==

Hi DavidB4,
Thank you for your welcome message.
Ergo sum

:We're glad to have you! Let me know if you need anything! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:00, 5 March 2021 (EST)

== About: Article Battle of Wilson’s Wharf ==

Should I add content to it, since it’s requested for deletion for no content should add some? --[[User:Yeschayi|Builder]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 01:09, 5 March 2021 (EST)

:Please do! It was tagged only because there was no actual content on that page. Feel free to add some text, and remove the deletion tag. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:01, 5 March 2021 (EST)

==This user==
I believe the evidence supports [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=George_Washington&diff=prev&oldid=1741644 this user] as being a mentally handicapped adult and not part of any wider troll network. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:14, 2 April 2021 (EDT)
:That may well be, but they were [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=George_Washington&diff=prev&oldid=1741642 still trolling]. The edit pattern ranked a low familiarity score on Minuteman, with only one other recent pattern match. Whatever. Whether in-network or freelance, they're still feeding the algorithm...so it's not all for nothing. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:33, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

== Make Sure ==

@[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] Can you please make sure that Minuteman bot doesn't block me for a third time. I get the first block was for reviewing my account but I got a second block. - [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]]
:Since Karajou has backed you up, you shouldn't have any more issues. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:03, 10 April 2021 (EDT)

== Image help ==

@[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] Since only admins can add images, can you please add images for these articles? These are ones, I either created or reworked.
[[Joachim von Ribbentrop]]
[[Alfred Rosenberg]]
[[Julius Streicher]]
[[Mary Miller]]
[[Tom Rice]]
[[Cynthia Lummis]]
[[Odilo Globocnik]]

You should already get Ribbentrop's image copied onto here from the link on this page. https://conservapedia.com/File:Joachim_von_Ribbentrop

And here are the sources for the images for the rest:
Streicher:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1997-011-24,_Julius_Streicher.jpg

Rosenberg:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-1985-0723-500,_Alfred_Rosenberg_headcrop.jpg

Miller:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mary_Miller_117th_U.S_Congress.jpg

Rice:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tom_Rice,_Official_Portrait,_113th_Congress_-_full.jpg

Lummis:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:CynthiaLummis.jpg

Globocnik
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2007-0188,_Odilo_Globocnik.jpg

--[[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]]

== Check It Out ==

I made a review of the new members of the 117th congress. [[Essay:117th US House New Members Review]]. Let me know what you think of the page and the concept. [[User:ChadUser|ChadUser]] ([[User talk:ChadUser|talk]]) 11:26, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

== Should I use Officeholder or Dictator for [[Abdul Karim Qassem]]? ==

Just asking. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 13:15, 28 April 2021 (EDT)

:Good question. I don't know much about him, so I don't know if I'm really qualified to answer. From the small amount of mainsteam information I've seen about him, it sounds like "Officeholder" might be more accurate, '''but''' mainstream sources notoriously like to slant their writings, so I can't say for sure. A quick web search tells me that he supposedly sat on a three-man "Revolutionary Council" which would imply he wasn't a dictator, but his actions might say otherwise. I also see a reference to him "being elected" prime minister. I don't know if that was a fair election, or a typical banana-republic "election" when he was guaranteed to "win". I would need to do a lot more research to answer those questions. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:25, 28 April 2021 (EDT)

== Is this guy a sock? ==

https://conservapedia.com/User_talk:Johni13 --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 13:35, 1 May 2021 (EDT)

:Yes. They've been blocked --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:13, 1 May 2021 (EDT)

== Friendly editor notice about a discussion ==

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== Cool article ==

I found a cool [http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/barbara-kay-bless-this-food-except-for-the-atheist-at-table-12 article about atheism in the National Post]. You might not like it at first, but read past the first couple of paragraphs.--[[User:Abcqwe|Abcqwe]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 20:31, 11 May 2017 (EDT)
==Error==
[http://www.conservapedia.com/United_States_Presidential_Election,_2016 Error in the Move log. I dont have delete powers so I cant fix it.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Trump now is fighting back against the coup plotters'']] 17:17, 12 May 2017 (EDT)
==Overly long articles==
From what I understand, the typical Conservapedia article should be accessible to a secondary school student or at least a freshman in university. Some articles, such as [[Alger Hiss]], [[Elvis Presley]], and [[Barack Hussein Obama]], are some of the longest articles on this site. They rival the overly verbose entries on Wikipedia, in my opinion. Should these and other overly long articles be trimmed and extraneous content possibly be moved to more subpages? Just a thought. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 18:34, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
:I'm personally against it. I'm glad that these articles are detailed. For me, it's fine just as long as they are well-organized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:01, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
::These articles aren't exactly accessible to the target audience, and overly complex I think. Basic biographies should really be the emphasis most of the articles on here are shorter and more digestible than WP and aren't weighed down with non-essential information. I personally like articles that resemble the old school paper encyclopedias of my youth than WP's excessively long articles. Encyclopedia entries are meant to be starting points for research. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 20:57, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
:::If you really think these articles should be split up, I recommend asking the editors most occupied with them. The Alger Hiss article is predominantly edited by [[User:FOIA]]. Maybe ask RobS or Andy regarding Obama. The editors most familiar with the articles will probably give you the best answer. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:45, 16 May 2017 (EDT)
::::Some articles can be split up, if done carefully with a summary of the forked article remaining in the main article. It is best if the expert on the topic do the splitting up because they are best at summarizing what is most important. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:12, 30 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::In the print encyclopedias I recall, there was a Micropedia and a Macropedia, short and long articles. An article about George Ade, Hoosier playwright and fable writer, would only need to be a brief paragraph. An article called "Rocks and Minerals," meanwhile, would detail every type, the various classifications, chemical compositions, and means of formation, though both would be really an outline to the sum of human knowledge on the subject. In the area of biographies, length was variant - short biographies for Jeppe Aekjaer and Abbas I, a longer biography for Alvar Aalto, and a massive Macropedia biography for Isaac Newton or William Shakespeare. As we specialize in politics, it would make sense to have such articles for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Donald Trump.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 14:22, 30 May 2017 (EDT)
::::::That was the later Encyclopedia Britanica. The earlier EBs when I was a child were like the World Book encyclopedia with all of the articles (long and short) in an alphabetical list. My parents bought both. As a child, I would pick up a volume and start reading articles in alphabetical order sometimes. Unfortunately, Wikipedia killed off the market for printed encyclopedias (and for professionally written encyclopedias.) There is no viable market for printed encyclopedias today. People would hand down their printed encyclopedias and dictionaries from generation to generation, because they did not think that the world was changing quickly. However, none of the country names and maps of Africa that I learned as of 1960 were around by 1970. After 9/11 all of the stuff that was of little consequence became of vital importance to the American public. People had to know about Osama bin Laden, but less so about Isaac Newton or William Shakespeare. So, the pace of change killed off the printed encyclopedia. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 09:23, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
==Religion in America==
After reading a number of CP articles, I realize that we accidentally present an inaccurate or outdated view of religion in America. Religion in America has changed since we were growing up. 1) The traditional churches have declined in attendance. To attract new members some churches have offered new ministries: weight loss, financial counseling, youth, etc. 2) Some churches are offering foreign language services or sublet to a separate foreign language congregation (such as Korean, Filipino, etc.) 3) More people are getting their sermons via television, radio or the internet. 4) Military chaplains and chapels are important for worship by the military and their families. 5) Wealthy people have private chapels on their weekend estates for privacy and security. 6) College based ministries must compete for student time and attention. 7) Historic downtown congregations have had to respond to migration to the suburbs, and small congregations face competition from mega-church congregations. Religion continues to be an important social force in America -- it is not as much of a melting pot as it was decades ago. Does anyone want to work on an article or additions to related articles? Perhaps AlanE or AugustO can tell us if similar changes are happening in other countries. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:12, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

=== My feedback ===

Michael Brown wrote:

"Several decades ago, church statistician and demographer David Barrett began to report the surprising news that around the world, the most rapidly growing faith was Spirit-empowered Christianity, marked by clear gospel preaching, belief in the literal truth of the Scriptures, and the reality of God’s presence. (The data were compiled in the prestigious “World Christian Encyclopedia,” published by Oxford University Press.)...

This is confirmed in the new Pew Forum report, which showed that [[Evangelicalism|evangelical Protestant]] churches in America grew by 2 million from 2007 to 2014 whereas the so-called mainline (liberal) Protestant churches declined by 5 million, meaning that evangelical Protestants now make up the largest religious group in the nation. (Although this is not part of the Pew Forum survey, my surmise is that the evangelical churches that are most Bible-based and make the most serious, grace-empowered demands on their congregants are, generally speaking, the ones that are growing rather than declining.[http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/why-conservative-churches-are-still-growing/]

I hope the helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:51, 12 June 2017 (EDT)

== Is this article appropriate to cite? ==

I and JDano have been in a major dispute on the [[Donald Trump achievements]] article over what is probably a silly and absurd issue: whether [http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/18/media-ignores-imported-female-genital-mutilation/ this article] is appropriate to cite. JDano believes that we should not cite it because adding it to this article would somehow increase the chances of people who practice FGM of being ruled not guilty and having the practice legalized -- something which I frankly think is completely absurd and ridiculous. But JDano will not give up in his attempts to delete the source, and I am fully convinced that it is appropriate, so I an bringing it here. Is this article appropriate or inappropriate to cite? Thanks. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:29, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
:There are two Brettbart articles. The first one was a straight news story about three people being arrested for performing [[female genital mutilation]] on two Minnesota girls in a clinic outside of Detroit. The second article, the one at issue, is an ax-griding piece that has the following points:
:*Trump Has a New Policy - there is nothing to show that the policy changed in April from the "old" Trump policy or the policy under the Obama administration.
:*There is "a national campaign" to eradicate FGM. This was an action brought by the US Attorney in Michigan, not some newly-announced task force.
:*That one media critic is complaining that there is not enough MSM coverage of this "new national campaign" - perhaps because it does not exist.
:*That the critic says that is due to "political correctness" and "fear of offending Muslims" - but it could be due to the fact that the government is not bringing religion into this and does not want to set up the defense counsel with a "religious defense" to the criminal charges. This is speculation.
:*That a few MSM media stories have followed the government' lead in the bringing religion into this.
:*The story then conclude with an attack on the MSM as "conspicuously silent on this case and their silence is deafening" and "aiding and abetting violence against women out of a politically correct fueled fear of offending Muslims." On the whole, this is an advocacy piece trying to bootstrap a failure of the MSM to play up the religion angle so as to explain why they did not report on the dramatic launch of a "new national campaign" when there apparently is no such campaign.
:I think the article is very misleading, and plays into the hands of those who would assert that this prosecution is anti-Muslim motivated. We don't need to cite it. We have now fixed the [[Donald Trump achievements]] article to just focus on the individual prosecution. I have been trying to take any mention of religion out of the article bullet as well, because neither the statute nor the indictment mentions religion. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 19:05, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
:I think it is an appropriate article to cite. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:56, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
::For the record, I linked the article that is in dispute, and both Andy and Conservative have seen the article. They know which article we are referring to, and they think it's fine. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:07, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Nobody's asserting that the prosecution is motivated by "Islamophobia," and the article certainly does not say that. It is noting that this practice is one that is promoted by the leaders of sects of Islam. It is also noting MSM bias in covering the story. The MSM cannot admit that certain sects of Islam promote this practice. We know the religon and even the sect ([http://religionnews.com/2017/04/27/the-splainer-what-is-female-genital-mutilation-and-what-does-it-have-to-do-with-islam/ the Dawoodi Bohra sect]) of those who committed the crimes. They are crimes nonetheless. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:12, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
::::The article does not advance the bullet in the article. It is focusing on Islam, but we all agree that so far, this case has nothing to do with Islam. Let's wait until the Defense raises it. The "Trump Administration achievement" has nothing to do with Islam, just as the bullets in [[Obamagate timeline]] have nothing to do with "Russian conspiracy." [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 20:27, 14 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::I am involved with several projects right now so I unfortunately don't have time to investigate this issue further and mediate this issue. However, I do have a message for 1990sguy and JDano: Please consider the possibility of a compromise position. Perhaps, there is some middle ground position that you two could settle on. Again, my regrets for not being able to investigate this issue further. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:05, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::@Conservative: JDano got about 80% of what he wanted: we originally cited only the Breitbart source, but now other sources are cited as well. I removed mentions of "Islamic" from the Donald Trump achievements article (even though those prosecuted ''clearly'' are Muslim and that FGM is mainly Islamic). I changed other wording after JDano criticized it. I have been extremely patient, and I have been very considerate. It is time for JDano to accept a middle ground position, which I think is how it is now, which actually would be 80% JDano's version. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
The matter was easier to research than I expected.

Obama commissioned a study on FGM in 2014 and a fairly mainstream press outlet, ''The Hill'', wondered if he was serious about the the issue.[http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/civil-rights/214242-will-obama-keep-his-promise-to-end-fgm-in-the-us] A politician saying he is commissioning a study is often like a husband telling a wife "we'll so" or a sales prospect saying "I'll think about". In short, it is often a ploy to do nothing. Obama does not have a good record on FGM or equal pay for equal work in terms of White House employees.[http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016/06/25/female-genital-mutilation-epidemic-obama-administration-hiding/]

Trump quickly took action on this issue which shows at least some commitment. So it is a new policy rather than Obama's do nothing FGM policy for 8 years which obtained zero convictions.

So I vote for 1990sguys' decision and oppose JDano. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:28, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

== JDano ==

I did not want to do this, and I waited 24 hours and 1-2 dozen reversions, but I was forced to block JDano for three days for poor editing in [[Donald Trump achievements]].

He added irrelevant information with a liberal POV, he blindly reverted edits that I made that had nothing to do with our disputes that he had no apparent problem with, and in his latest edit, he duplicated information to create a new "education" section without deleting the duplicate information that was listed in the "government size" section.

We had a serious dispute over whether to cite a single Breitbart article, and he continued edit warring even though I asked him to keep the status quo until we resolved the dispute. He was the only editor to oppose citing the article, and I still made many changes to satisfy him.

JDano's behavior has been very irritating, and he has been almost impossible to work with. Please judge the edits on Donald Trump achievements for yourselves (the "education" section he added are just copied-and-pasted info from other portions of the article). I gave him a three-day block for him to cool off. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:54, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:JDano's objections to [[Richard Dawkins' health]] have been adequately answered at [[Talk:Richard Dawkins' health]]. Yet, I do not expect him to acknowledge this matter.

:On top of this, Dawkins is clearly acting hypocritical when it comes to his views on experts/consensus/science when it comes to the application of medical science/medical advice to his health. His doctors are clearly giving him sound advice and he is clearly acting foolishly and ignoring their advice. And the proof is in the pudding. Namely, Dawkins ignored and continues to ignore their sound medical advice and continues to go back to the "controversy trough" again and again even after his stroke.

:I thought JDano had some reasonable objections to the [[Obama's religion]] article, but I thought his picture choice of Obama standing in front of a glorious looking cross like he was some kind of devout Christian preacher was over the top. Do I like the present Obama's religion article? I am not a fan of it. That is why I provided the counterexamples to Obama being a Muslim.

:Many conservatives are reactive and overly defensive. When liberals invariably and reflexively yell racist/misogynist, etc. regardless of the merit of their charges, conservatives often cower like kicked puppies. I like the fact that Sean Hannity took on a liberal via threat of a slander suit in order to stop her nonsense. I wish more conservatives were like Hannity.

:[[Sun Tzu]] said a strong defense makes one invincible, but an attack brings victory. At some point, Hitler/other unsavory characters and harmful ideologies have to be challenged. The one thing I like about Trump is that he is willing to go on the attack. For years, conservatives largely ignored liberal indoctrination in public schools. What did Trump do? He picked Betty Devos as his Secretary of Education to promote school choice. Trump pushed for a wall on the Mexican border. Trump has "NY attitude" like assertiveness and boldness. He is the George Patton of American politics. That is why people voted for him. Does Trump go too far sometimes? Yes, he does. Attacking Carly Fiorina's looks in terms of her face was crass and foolish for example.

:Maybe JDano is being overly reactive. At the same time, I do believe in accuracy in both content and sources. I wish I had time to investigate this matter and mediate it, but I don't. I will say that as long as the Breitbart article has no inaccuracy in it, I have no problems with it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:08, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

::Conservative, JDano's dispute with me over the Breitbart reference was not the only problem.

::JDano also wanted to add other information that I did not think was appropriate. Some of the information was irrelevant (it should have been added in other articles) or had a liberal POV, some of the information was unsourced (everything should be sourced so we can verify it as true). I explained my edits, but he reverted them.

::Although I made several edits in the meantime that were completely unrelated to what we were disputing, JDano reverted those edits as well.

::When trying to add changes, JDano also said he created a new section on Trump's achievements on education. This seems good, but he just copied and pasted information that already existed in the article, and he did not delete the duplicates. I seemed like a ploy for him to continue reverting.

::It's also not just the past 24 hours. I have had disputes with him in the past where he repeated the same behaviors, constantly reverting without discussing, adding irrevevant content with a liberal pov, and removing unrelated changes I had done in the meantime.

::Overall, his behavior was too disruptive and was doing CP more harm than good. I had to temporarily block him. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:59, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
1990sguy, I revised my commentary/decision on this issue. I took your side. See my post above.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:30, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Still having a hard time wrapping my head around the dispute here. Is it (a) Brietbart is not credible if it's not backed up by MSM reporting, or (b) the Brietbart article is irrelevent to the text in mainspace? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 18:39, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
::::The funniest thing about this is that 1990sguy has actually removed his own factually incorrect editorialising about Islam and FGM from the Conservapedia text, but still insists on retaining a reference which engages in exactly the same kind of editorialising, only turned all the way up to 11 and with a dirty great fireworks and laser show to boot.

::::JDano has probably done himself an injury with all the facepalming he must've been doing last night. He deserves a medal, not a 3 day block. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 19:44, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
Today was a separate problem from yesterday. I wanted to add content about Title IX and the appointment of Adam Kissel to head up these Dept. of Education reforms. I realized that although Education policy is a very important area of Trump policy changes, and is of high interest to Conservapedia readers, there was no section for it on the page. So, I started to move education bullets from other sections and to add the Kissel bullet, but every time I would hit "save", 1990sguy would create an "edit conflict" Rather than loose the text, I saved it so that I could go back and fix the conflicts, but 1990sguy blocked me before I could complete the work as intended. The plan was to move the bullets not duplicate them. I think we need more group effort and less "individual ownership" of pages. Also, less name-calling. I am a life-long conservative, and Lindsay Graham is a life-long conservative, who is a good-guy. If he offers concise, good-natured advice to President Trump to stop tweeting, it is very newsworthy and worth including in a discussion of the [[Trump Twitter]] account. I am here to build a well-researched reliable encyclopedia, not to see how much I can build a false narrative to advance my own political agenda. I expect everyone else to be here for the same reason. So:
1) Let's give each other some space - make sure the first editor is done before you start to rewrite his contribution.
2) Look at multiple sources - if only one source has the story and everyone else has the opposite, consider that the outlier may have the facts wrong or has miscommunicate to you.
3) If you don't understand what you are trying to write, ask for help. If your understanding is not clear, what you write will only confuse other Conservapedia readers. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:04, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

===Just the facts, ma'am===
::Ok, so we have established the dispute is over inclusion of a Brietbart citation. Now, can you answer my inquiry over ''why'' Brietbart is inappropriate for the language in text, without going into extraneous discussion on unrelated matters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 22:31, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Correct. Setting aside the interwoven "edit conflict" confusion of today, we are back to the Brietbart article with a headline "Establishment Media Hides Trump’s New Policy to Stop ‘Genital Mutilation’ of American Girls". I described my concerns [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=prev&oldid=1353941 here.] The revised bullet has nothing to do with Islam or any "Trump's New Policy to Stop FGM", rather it discusses just the Michigan prosecution, which is notable because it is the first prosecution under 18 U.S.C. §118. So, the Breitbart article is not relevant to the bullet in question. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 23:16, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
::::Ok. So it's not really a 'new policy', it is the first time prosecutions have been brought under a 20 year old federal law. The Trump White House and sympathetic media charge the mainstream media is covering this fact up, which is both pro-woman, pro-child, and even designed to protect Muslims. What's wrong with that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 23:39, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::Perhaps I am missing a source. The White House (Sean Spicer) is not commenting. The main stream media is not covering up "a new policy" because the policy and law have been the same for years. How can Brietbart beat up on the mainstream media if there has been no announcement of a "new policy?" What is new was the FBI was able to prove that two girls were transported across state lines for FGM, so they arrested the doctors and got medical help for the girls. Prior actions have been focusing on international "FGM tourism" at border crossings. [https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/general/fact-sheet-on-female-genital-mutilation-or-cutting.html State Dept. Fact Sheet] Intrastate FGM cases are in the hands of local and state police. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 23:56, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::So there are two issues, correct me if I'm wrong. One, enforcement of a law to protect young girls, which is an achievement; secondly, the debate over identifying victims and perpetrators of these crimes as Muslims. Is this a fair synopsis? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 00:12, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::No. The second issue is whether there was a "new" policy or a policy change. There is a long tradition in the media of not identifying young victims of sexual crimes. Neither the government nor almost all of the media have said anything about the girls (names, hometown, nor religious sect.) The Breitbart article is misinterpreting the MSM's absence of detail as "fear of offending Muslims." The problem that I had with the original bullet was the claim that during the Obama Administration and the Trump Administration (Jan. 20 to mid-April) there was a policy of non-enforcement of 18 U.S.C. § 118. I can't find any evidence of that. It is easier to catch international "FGM tourism" at the border than to catch mothers driving daughters across state-lines for a domestic FGM trip. So, the achievement was the first domestic criminal prosecution. (Please watch this brief interview if you think it is a "Muslim issue": https://youtu.be/sb_YPFrWty0 .)[[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 05:22, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::::Ok, fair enough. So your argument is that while the Trump Justice Department's first enforcement of federal anti-FGM is a recognizable achievement, the Brietbart article is irrelevent to that accomplishment. Should any reference be made to the fact that both perpatrators and victims were Muslim in this achievement? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 10:14, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::As an experienced encyclopedia editor on several wikis, I value your input on this. To me, the fact that no mention was made in the charging documents and that I don't want to give defense counsel any ammo leads me to say "no". Wikipedia would call that "synthesis". [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 10:19, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::Would it be a valid citation to outline the facts of the case, without mentioning 'Muslim' or 'Islam' in the text? Secondly, in an article entitled 'Donald Trump achievements', why wouldn't the Trump administration aggressively enforcing federal law to protect little Muslim girls be an achievement? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 10:47, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::::Answer #1: The first Brietbart article would be better than the second one that 1990sguy wants in the footnote. There are many other clearer sources including the DOJ press release, and 1990sguy and I have reached agreement on the text of the bullet and all references except the second Brietbart article, which I feel is nonsense. Answer #2: The US attorney would argue that religion was not relevant to the arrest and prosecution. FGM is not limited to one religious group, and the health-related statute focuses upon a specific action rather than upon the motives of the accused. Hypotheically, if DOJ was trying to prosecute a religious group for their beliefs, that move would be subject to the same court challenges as now apply to the "travel ban." 1990sguy chose to have this debate on my [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJDano&diff=1354127&oldid=1353746 talk page] rather than on this page. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 11:28, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Well, my simple point is, the Trump administration protecting Muslims is a worthy accomplishment, which is the point the first Brietbart article - and no other source - makes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 11:48, 16 June 2017 (EDT)

===policy vs law===
JDano states, "the policy and law have been the same for years". I bring this up here because understanding the difference can be valuable to us on multiple levels. ''What is the difference between policy and law?''. I disagree with JDano's assertion: while the law outlaws FMG, the policy of three past administrations has been not to enforce the law. Similiarly, while sanctuary cities are illegal, and
Dream Act is not law, the policy of past administrations has been to not enforce immigration law and treat the Dream Act as if it were law. Or the ABM missile Treaty with Russia, while the ABM treaty is binding law, the policy of the Bush & Obama administrations have been to ignore it and allow international tensions to escalate. Or Operation Fast and Furious. While the law required enforcement of illegal weapons sales, the policy allowed the government itself to facilitate illegal weapons sales. These issues will be revisted soon in the Supreme Court were the law entrusts national security to the president, the courts have denied the president's policy of enforcing the law in regard to the travel ban. So we can use all these illustrations to understand the difference. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 10:47, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::You can judge each President's administration by the totality of their actions. The bill was signed into law by President Clinton on Sept. 30, 1996. President Obama signed an amendment to the law to outlaw "FGM tourism" abroad in 2013. One of the things that custom and border patrol staff look out for is young girls traveling abroad for FGM. There is also continuous US support of anti-FGM actions via the United Nations. I realize that law and policy can differ. For example, President Lincoln made a deal with the Mormons to not prosecute bigamy laws in exchange for their not siding with the Confederacy in the Civil War. Everything I have found indicates that the DOJ policies inherited from the Obama Administration were to enforce 18 U.S.C. § 116. If we can find something credible to the contrary, it would be quite a scoop for Conservapedia. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 11:02, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::FMG tourism would be virtually impossible to enforce without a confession of intent from the adult escort, or perhaps on return if the facts can be documented. Are there any known cases of prosecution? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 11:22, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I can look for sources, but it would be administrative action and not a criminal case in an Article III court. Only the travel and the adult escort would be targeted, since the person performing the procedure would be in the other country. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 12:46, 16 June 2017 (EDT)

:JDano, Lindsey Graham is one of the most liberal Republicans.[https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/how-lindsey-graham-stomped-the-tea-party/372521/] He belongs to the "surrender Republicans" rather than someone like Newt Gingrich who forced Bill Clinton to have a balanced budget.

:The GOP base is sick of surrender GOP members and that is why Trump far surpassed Graham in the 2016 GOP presidential primary. We're tired of GOP members who are terrified to have their uniforms soiled by the press/liberals calling them names. We want Donald "blood and guts" Trump.

:Please don't bother me on a talk page page again if you want to fly the white flag rather than take the opposition to task for hypocritical/inconsistent behavior. You are not willing to concede reasonable points and impose time wasting opposition to others.

:You were so busy to appease liberals with that ridiculous picture of Obama that you couldn't see the obvious truth: Obama is not a Christian. The Apostle Paul's views never "evolved" on homosexuality. Obama may not be a Muslim, but he is certainly not a Christian. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:35, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
::As far as clarification, I am not saying Trump or any other politician should go out of his way to create unnecessary conflict, but they shouldn't be afraid of conflict either. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:08, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
:::You have totally lost me. What does Lindsey Graham have to do with female genital mutilation, a specific Brietbart citation, and the blocking of a constructive editor? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 23:42, 15 June 2017 (EDT)
::::Man if you lost ''nobs'' then that's like, some next-level obfuscation. Kudos, Conservative. [[User:Koidevelopment|Vive]] [[User talk:Koidevelopment|Liberté!]] 00:03, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::I'm really struggling to see what Sun Tzu, Lindsey Graham, and the Apostle Paul have to do with settling a dispute between users on female genital mutilation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 00:14, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::Conservative was referring to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Donald_Trump_achievements&diff=1354109&oldid=1354107 this edit] and previous edits done by JDano. He made other problematic edits before I blocked him. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:26, 16 June 2017 (EDT)

=== History of FGM in the United States ===

*[http://ufdcimages.uflib.ufl.edu/UF/E0/02/10/16/00001/schubert_k.pdf FEMALE CIRCUMCISION IN THE UNITED STATES: AN ANALYSIS OF LAWS AND POLICIES]

*[http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1162/152651603766436324 Cutting History, Cutting Culture: Female Circumcision in the United States]

The history of FGM is more complex than I originally thought. My first inclination to not get involved in this matter unless I gave it the due diligence it may require turned out to be correct.

I hope these resources help resolve matters. I do think that JDano and 1990sguy should be able to work this matter out. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:27, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:Dear Conservative, thank you for sharing your research. The first paper is a bit out-of-date. Since then, Congress amended the law to address FGM tourism, and more states have enacted laws. I have hesitated to greatly expand the FGM article because I want to keep it family-friendly. I believe that 1990sguy and I reached agreement on the FGM bullet, except for whether to include the Brietbart article. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 09:40, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::If you are a member of an Islamic sect that practices FGM, you will be offended by the US, the UN, and the EU outlawing the practice. So, you will not be surprised by news coverage of an arrest whether or not the mainstream media discusses the religion of the family or the doctor. If you are a non-Muslim whose family practiced FGM, you may feel uncomfortable every time FGM is in the news, but that does not dictate how we cover the subject. If you are a criminal defense lawyer, your only real option is to argue the statute is unconstitutional under the First Amendment and that this is more a question of free exercise of religion than of protecting the health of the girls. (You could also argue under the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment because cutting girls is illegal when cutting boys is not.) Quite a difficult area to navigate. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 10:16, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Without getting too far off course, and changing this to a sociological phenomenon, the practice among Muslims (and others) is mostly motivated by tribal custom, i.e. preparing a female for barter or trade in a marriage contract who will not dishonor the the family or tribe she originated from, thus violating the marriage contract that binds certain tribal alliances together. An unfaithful wife can cause wars, such as Helen of Troy, or serious internal breaches like Tristan and Isolde. At root of FGM is treating women as property. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 11:37, 16 June 2017 (EDT)

===My response to JDano's other edits that I reverted===
It seems we have solved the Breitbart source (finally! :) ). JDano made [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Donald_Trump_achievements&diff=1354109&oldid=1354107 several other edits that I reverted] because I thought they were not constructive. First, however, let me say thank you for not trying to re-add them after I reverted (and blocked) you. I don't think I did a good job of explaining my position, which I strongly hold.

One of these edits was adding the paragraph of Lindsey Graham. I am not opposed to having opposing viewpoints, but what makes Graham's single viewpoint so notable compared to other people? He is one of 100 Senators, 1 of 535 Congressmen, and 1 of over 7 billion people in the world. What makes his view so notable? ''If you want to add an opposing view of Trump's Twitter activity, please find a good source (preferably NOT from the MSM, or at least a fair MSM source) that speaks generally of opposition from conservatives and other people, rather than the opinion of a single RINO Senator.'' '''Anyone can say anything about everything. Let's not cherry pick quotes, please.'''

You also added a sentence saying that "The Trump Administration continues to offer spousal benefits to federal workers in same-sex marriages." However, ''there's no source''. The intro paragraph of the article specifically tells you to add sources. Once again, anyone can say anything about everything. We need to be certain this fact you added is accurate. I am not opposed to adding that sentence, but '''there MUST be a source.'''

In your edit, you removed an unrelated edit I made in the meantime. You had no dispute with the edit, but you still reverted it. It was the single Breitbart reference I added (not the same Breitbart article -- a different article on a different topic). JDano, your edit was sloppy, and you need to avoid doing this in the future.

I did not like your wording of the Qatar failure because funding nations is more complicated that you made it seem. If the U.S. did not fund Qatar, a nation that does fund terrorists, Qatar might be driven to align itself with Iran. That would not be good. I simplified the wording.

Your typo in the Trump official portrait at the top did not help at all.

Thank you for improving the "education" section above. It was a lot better than you first made it in the edit I linked above. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:25, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:Also, JDano's edit summary in that edit was very misleading because it stated "new section" when in fact he did more than create a new section (namely revert all my edits). Edit summaries must not be misleading. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:06, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:And by the way, I know that I do not own the article. I was reverting what I believed (justifiably) to be simply bad edits (bad for various reasons which I explained above). I support having other people add ''constructive'' edits to the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:32, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::Since going with Windows 10, my computer crashes frequently, particularly upon times of inactivity. So, I have to save less than the complete set of changes. When you save edits while I am editing, when I save, I get a "edit conflict dialog box" which does not allow me to see your edit summaries, but requires me to locate my edit within the entire source code of the page. Because the page is so long, I copy and paste the entire contents of my source window over the entire article source and hope to work out any lost content by looking at the page history. I was getting three or four edit conflict dialog boxes per save yesterday. So, you need to edit a different section of the page, or give the other editor a chance to finish up before you edit the same section. I assume that a editor will go back and check for spelling or other mistakes and do not edit there for at least 5 min after the initial save. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 11:40, 16 June 2017 (EDT)

:Edit conflict ;)

:JDano, if you want, I can try to help you diagnose the crashing problem. That does sound problematic! If you are letting the PC idle, it could even just be autostandby. Windows Vista and 7 had that kind of issue where it would crash when starting to standby or recovering from it. I dont know if the 8/8.1/10 core has the same issue or not. If you are constantly editing, them a bit more troubleshooting will be needed.
:If you edit one section at a time and then save rather than moving around, it may cause more conflicts, but would also make it easier to recover from one. If both of you edit one paragraph or small section, it would be less destructive to reload the page and paste in that edited section only. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:00, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::JDano, you may make the edits in the way you do for a reason, but it is very problematic because only you know why you edit the way you do. For the rest of us, for all we are able to see, you are being sloppy. I understand now, but please change your editing behaviors in the future. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:06, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Isn't this just a question of "assume good faith"? If a known editor is starting to do something, wait 5 to 10 minutes before jumping in, rather than creating a lot of edit conflicts. I had the educational source windows open and was going to put the section as it is now, but never got a chance. I still do not understand how one of my cut-and-pastes accidentally butchered to top of the article, but I managed to fix it quickly. On Wikipedia, the edit conflict window is based on just the section open to editing, why does the edit conflict window expand the "conflict zone" to the entire article? [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 12:32, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I'm still not seeing where Lindsey Graham fits in this discussion on female genital mutilation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 12:14, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::I'm talking about another problematic edit JDano made in this section. I'm not talking about FGM here. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:25, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::As a part-time JAG officer in the Air Force reserves, Lindsay Graham gets into more legal issues than you can imagine. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 12:37, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Lindsey Graham was in on the [[Arab_Spring#McCain_onboard|Operation Zero Footprint]] coverup, which means he's likely in on the Russian hacking scam, as well. How does Lindsey Graham relate to any Donald Trump achievement? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 12:48, 16 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::IOW, Lindsey Graham is complicit in [[Obama war crimes]]. The only way he can rehabilitate himself is by voting right in the Senate. Other than that, nobody should care or pay attention to what he thinks about Donald Trump or Donald Trump's accomplishments. We got plenty of dirt on Lindsey Graham, even going back to his inept mishandling of Bill Clinton's impeachment case. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 13:08, 16 June 2017 (EDT)

== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable? ==

{{welcome}}

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

=== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ===

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
==Donald Trump's tweets==
We have had a lot of discussion about how to cover Donald Trump's twitter account on the main space pages. So, I have started a page [[Debate:Should President Trump stop tweeting?]] and invite interested editors to comment there. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 20:55, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== Request for Conservative or another admin ==

You recently deleted the article entitled "Donald Trump's breaking of promises." I am OK with this action, but would you (or another admin) please copy-and-paste the article's content onto [[User:1990'sguy/Sandbox]]? There may be some content in the article worth saving. Thanks. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:17, 25 June 2017 (EDT)

:I restored it to your Sandbox, but noticed that it quotes [[anti-Trump]] gasbags like Jason Chaffetz as though they are some kind of authority. The guy cannot even fulfill his own obligation to compete his 2-year term for his constituents.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:47, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

::Thank you, Andy. Restoring the content has nothing to do with whether the content is accurate or good. I just want it to see if any of it is salvageable. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:01, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== BLOCK THIS GUY!!!!!!!! ==

As anyone who is logged in knows, there is a major vandalism wave going on (based on the topics being vandalized, it seems to have originated from the recent dust-up about "fake news", not that it matters.) The only assistant I can see currently aware of this seems to be Pokeria1. He has block powers. But I have attempted to alert him to this. He can't '''possibly''' be unaware of what is going on, since he has reverted my warnings on his talk page.

Can someone put a stop to this? Here is what I put (several times, getting blasted each time) on his talk page:

<big><big><big>BLOCK THIS GUY!!!!!</big></big></big>

What the Hell are you doing????? You have block rights!

[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=Block]

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 16:34, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

For the record, I DID respond to your post in the limited amount of time I could before that 2000'sguy person undid the revision, and I even attempted to ask how long I should block him. However, I also made it very clear that I'm extremely reluctant to do it because I fear ultimately being corrupted by that power (I've already witnessed plenty of admins on the forums and other wikis blocking people for the sheer heck of it, or even threatening people to keep them in line, and I want to go out of my way to avoid being like them). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 18:51, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

:OK, I see it now. In the heat of battle, I did not. My answer to the "how long?" question is:
:*Correct answer: Infinite. That kind of stuff is infinite.
:*Acceptable answer: 1 day. That's enough for admins to notice what happened and take it from there.
:*Crazy answer: However long it takes for me to come over and beat you up. Non-violently, of course. :-)
:Your position on not letting power corrupt you is very similar to mine. See the discussion among Ed Poor, DavidB4, and myself on Ed's talk page. Blocking people for the heck of it, and threatening people, happens elsewhere, and it used to happen here. I think we have improved.

:[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 19:21, 28 June 2017 (EDT)

== If you see something, say something ==

More precisely: If you see blatant vandalism taking place, and you have block powers, block the perpetrator.

I believe most active users are "assistants", meaning they have the power, and authority, to block vandals. Yesterday there was a huge vandal attack, in which 65 acts of vandalism were committed in about 40 minutes. I saw that an assistant was logged in, and attempted to alert him on his talk page. The vandal reverted that, and I kept trying. The user saw the vandalism to his talk page and reverted it. He even reverted my warning. I sent private mail to Andy. Finally Ed Poor did the deed.

Assistants have the power to block vandals. Use it. That's what it's for. Don't just let vandalism sprees go on. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 18:24, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
:I think there are more vandal attacks because liberals are getting desperate. They are losing power and do not like it. They are like cornered rats right now. The engaging in violent tactics, violent demonstrations, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
::It even happened here this morning, but the two perps (who, based on very similar user names, is most likely the same kid using multiple accounts) got cut off at the pass quickly. If I'd been on line yesterday when said vandalism happened, I would've stopped it right there and then, but no editor with blocking power can be on site 24/7. Best thing to do is pay attention to the Recent changes section and watch what happens. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 20:01, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I noticed that incredible spree after the fact--yikes! Sam, I was offline, but that doesn't mean I can't help. I've provided a link on my talk page to send my a text message for a reason too--that's what it's there for. I may not be available, but I would be happy to deal with the issue if I am. Just because I'm not editing doesn't mean I can help for a moment. :) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:03, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
::::This is similar to when I kept on reverting the several accounts of this "James Wilson" fellow a few weeks ago. It took forever to block him, and he was able to get a lot of pages, including repeatedly vandalizing the [[Taylor Swift]] article and creating frivolous entries. There seems to be plenty enough "assistants" on here, so such long sprees shouldn't be happening so often. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 22:25, 28 June 2017 (EDT)
==Political Directory==
We have a project that started last February, but still needs teamwork to complete. This project accidentally drifted to Archive2, but still has work to be done.

A few years ago, some editors copied a lot of political directory information into CP. For example, the state articles list all of the Senators and Congressmen and the infobox has the Senators' telephone numbers. Much of this has changed in the 2014 and 2016 elections. In some cases, like [[Elizabeth Warren]], the junior senator has become the senior senator of the state. I have corrected [[Ohio]], but do not want to fix all of this by myself. Can we organize a work list and cross off each state as it is updated? Please let me know if you want to help. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 09:22, 15 February 2017 (EST)

:I can't say I'm thrilled at the idea, but I can try to chip in a little, as time permits. That's a very good idea, and I'm glad you noticed--I'm just not sure how much time I can contribute. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:03, 15 February 2017 (EST)
::In my state even the official state website hasn't been updated in more than two years (it still lists an officer sitting in jail as Secretary of State). I'm sure the lazy government bureaucrats blame Republican budget cuts who took over the legislature in 2014. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|CIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win?]] 21:33, 15 February 2017 (EST)
:::This project is focusing on 1) list of US Congressmen and Senators and 2) Senators in infobox. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 00:27, 16 February 2017 (EST)

Sources: http://www.house.gov/representatives/ and https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?OrderBy=state&Sort=ASC When you have finished with a state, cross the state name out using <nowiki><s>State</s></nowiki>.
{| class="wikitable"
|
* [[Alabama]]: Dec. 14, 1819
* <s>[[Alaska]]: Jan. 3, 1959</s>
* <s>[[Arizona]]: Feb. 14, 1912</s>
* <s>[[Arkansas]]: Jun. 15, 1836</s>
* <s>[[California]]: Sep. 9, 1850</s>
* <s>[[Colorado]]: Aug. 1, 1876</s>
* <s>[[Connecticut]]: Jan. 9, 1788</s>
* [[Delaware]]: Dec. 7, 1787
* <s>[[Florida]]: Mar. 3, 1845</s>
* <s>[[Georgia]]: Jan. 2, 1788</s>
* <s>[[Hawaii]]: Aug. 21, 1959</s>
* <s>[[Idaho]]: Jul. 3, 1890</s>
* [[Illinois]]: Dec. 3, 1818
* <s>[[Indiana]]: Dec. 11, 1816</s>
* <s>[[Iowa]]: Dec. 28, 1846</s>
* <s>[[Kansas]]: Jan. 29, 1861</s>
* [[Kentucky]]: Jun. 1, 1792
* <s>[[Louisiana]]: Apr. 30, 1812</s>
* <s>[[Maine]]: Mar. 15, 1820</s>
* [[Maryland]]: Apr. 28, 1788
* <s>[[Massachusetts]]: Feb. 6, 1788</s>
* <s>[[Michigan]]: Jan. 26, 1837</s>
* <s>[[Minnesota]]: May 11, 1858</s>
* <s>[[Mississippi]]: Dec. 10, 1817</s>
* [[Missouri]]: Aug. 10, 1821
|
* <s>[[Montana]]: Nov. 8, 1889</s>
* <s>[[Nebraska]]: Mar. 1, 1867</s>
* <s>[[Nevada]]: Oct. 31, 1864</s>
* <s>[[New Hampshire]]: Jun. 21, 1788</s>
* <s>[[New Jersey]]: Dec. 18, 1787</s>
* <s>[[New Mexico]]: Jan. 6, 1912 </s>
* <s>[[New York]]: Jul. 26, 1788</s>
* [[North Carolina]]: Nov. 21, 1789
* <s>[[North Dakota]]: Nov. 2, 1889</s>
* [[Ohio]]: Mar. 1, 1803
* <s>[[Oklahoma]]: Nov. 16, 1907</s>
* <s>[[Oregon]]: Feb. 14, 1859</s>
* <s>[[Pennsylvania]]: Dec. 12, 1787</s>
* <s>[[Rhode Island]]: May 29, 1790</s>
* <s>[[South Carolina]]: May 23, 1788</s>
* <s>[[South Dakota]]: Nov. 2, 1889</s>
* <s>[[Tennessee]]: Jun. 1, 1796</s>
* [[Texas]]: Dec. 29, 1845
* <s>[[Utah]]: Jan. 4, 1896</s>
* [[Vermont]]: Mar. 4, 1791
* [[Virginia]]: Jun. 25, 1788
* <s>[[Washington]]: Nov. 11, 1889</s>
* [[West Virginia]]: Jun. 20, 1863
* [[Wisconsin]]: May 29, 1848
* <s>[[Wyoming]]: Jul. 10, 1890</s>
|}
Many thanks to Pokeria1, AMorrow, and DavidB4 for their help on this project. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 13:44, 16 February 2017 (EST)

'''Since we finished the federal officers faster than I expected, I am proposing a Phase II, where we go back and check the names of the state-wide officers''' listed in each of the above articles. After you have checked an article please change <nowiki><s>state</s> to state</nowiki>. Many thanks! [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 10:59, 17 February 2017 (EST)

==Clean sweep response to Muslim protestors==

I saw this on a woman's Twitter page. She responded to four themes that make up quite a lot of common Muslim protest arguments in such a way as to maximize the exposure of their contradictions. Those who call for more Muslim immigration should be confronted with these short arguments and why they think they don't apply seriously to these all-too-typical Muslim sentiments:

:You call me intolerant because I won't tolerate a religion of intolerance [Muslim activist's sign "Islam will dominate the world"].
:You call me hate-filled because I'm against hate preachers [Muslim activist's sign: "Behead those who insult Islam"].
:You call me extreme because I don't want extremists in my country [Two men dressed in all black except hole for eyes: "God Bless Hitler" in bold red capital letters].
:You call me a supremacist because I won't submit to invaders who believe their law & culture is supreme to ours [Muslims with black parade banner: "Shariah for the UK"].
:I only need to call you one word...Traitor.
[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 01:24, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

== Recent issue(s) ==

So, with at least a few articles in the past, including the articles on [[Kate Upton]] and earlier [[Taylor Swift]], I am unsure about what direction the site should be taking regarding the topic of women wearing less than modest clothing. Should it be mentioned in the articles, and if so, how should it be done? The Upton situation seems to have at least two Senior Administrators and two Junior Administrators involved, and I think we should talk about how to address the issue, given that this is a conservative-minded encyclopedia and that social conservatism has been a key component of conservatism in the US. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
:The trend of women wearing less modest clothes is a relatively recent development, and it is associated with feminism. I think things like this should be mentioned only if the person in question claims to be religious or traditional. This is just my take, however. We'll see what everyone else has to say. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:32, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
::Your take does make sense, and a claim to be a Christian may imply something of the sort, as [[User:RonaldB]] pointed out. Since it has come up in at least a few articles it is something that really should be addressed. We should be able to do it in an encyclopedic tone, without sounding too preachy. One of the earlier revisions of the Upton article did come off rather preachy. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:41, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
:::Yes, regardless of what we do, we should stick to an encyclopedic tone. I don't think we will have to mention these things on articles of people who clearly are secular liberals (unless that they do is blatantly outrageous, like what Miley Cyrus did a while back). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:55, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
::::I stepped in as far as the Kate Upton article because there was a dispute happening and there were nude photographs that she had taken. Plus, she lied about the issue shortly before the cloud website had a data breach which caused her pictures to become public.

::::You have to draw the line somewhere and I drew the line at nude. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
When I was in high school, I volunteered to help in the school library. We had a periodical collection, and students would have to request a specific magazine issue, and then the student assistant would go into the back room, pull the issue and have the student sign it out. The most requested magazines were ''Car and Driver'' followed by the ''National Geographic'' issues which photos of native African women. We can discuss these subjects with an encyclopedic tone and without including examples. In contrast, Wikipedia works extensively to collect as many nude photos as possible and is not family friendly. We don't want Conservapedia to appeal to the crowd that reads ''National Geographic'' for just those few special photos. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 18:05, 14 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::It sounds like everyone basically agrees on this anyway, but I'll chime in. I agree that we should keep such content to a minimum. If such information can be used to prove hypocrisy, then it might be worth carefully mentioning. However, in general, that's just a part of the secular world now. Let's keep it out of here, unless perhaps if it is beneficial to prove a different point. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:04, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

I'm thinking that there's an agreement about how to handle this particular issue from now on. Although, I still regret my rash judgment and current inability to correct it at this time. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 23:02, 14 July 2017 (EDT)

== Sam Chui's Little Theorem ==

I wasn't able to find anything on the internet related to [[Sam Chui's Little Theorem]]. And there are no citations in the article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:01, 19 August 2017 (EDT)
:Appears to be a private gag between half a dozen 14-year olds from math camp. No encyclopaedic value, no educational value and, frankly, unfunny to boot. They have had their few days of glory, now burn it with fire. [[User:NeilWalker|NeilWalker]] ([[User talk:NeilWalker|talk]]) 07:57, 19 August 2017 (EDT)
::I deleted the article.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:12, 19 August 2017 (EDT)
== User:GinnyS ==
I see that someone today blocked User:GinnyS for violating the 90%/10% rule. Just so that the record is clear, since she created her account, GinnyS had 49 talk page edits and 22 article page edits leading to a 69%/31% ratio, which is seems to meet the rule's requirements. While today's exchange was intemperate, we do want users to feel free to raise concerns to ensure that what is posted matches the sources provided. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 20:50, 27 August 2017 (EDT)
:"Ginny" was a man.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

== Block flood ==

Apologies for the block flood--I got the process derailed onto the wrong account (main rather than bot). I will try to be more careful in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:07, 8 September 2017 (EDT)

== Conservative of the Year 2017 ==

I created the article where we list the nominations for [[Conservative of the Year 2017]]. Feel free to add solid conservatives to the list who deserve mention. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:18, 8 November 2017 (EST)

== New essay, need contributors ==

I have created a new essay: http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular

I would welcome contributions from other CP users. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 11:28, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Conservatism sells: The growth of followers of conservatives on Twitter ==

See [[Essay:Top conservatives on Twitter]] for current number of followers of top Twitter users considered to be conservative. Of those Twitter posters whose accounts on that page are still active, none lost in their total number of followers over the whole year of 2017.

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size:98%; margin:left;"
|+ Promoters of conservatism with large gains of followers on Twitter, 2016-7 (top 20 each category)
|+
!Twitter poster
!Increase in followers 2016
!% in- crs. in fol- low ers
!Increase in followers 2017
!% in- crs. in fol- low ers
!Increase in followers Dec. 17 2018
!% in- crs. in fol- low ers
|-
|align="left"|Pres. (or-Elect) [[Donald J. Trump]]
|align="right"|+13,053,000
|align="right"|+237%
|align="right"|+26,905,000
|align="right"|+145%
|align="right"|+10,520,000
|align="right"|+23%
|-
|align="left"|Dr. [[Ben Carson]]
|align="right"|+1,475,000
|align="right"|+136%
|align="right"|0
|align="right"|+0%
|align="right"|91,000
|align="right"|+3%
|-
|align="left"|[[Michelle Malkin]]
|align="right"|+943,000
|align="right"|+105%
|align="right"|+328,000
|align="right"|+18%
|align="right"|-26,000
|align="right"|-1%
|-
|align="left"|[[Sean Hannity]]
|align="right"|+697,000
|align="right"|+56%
|align="right"|+1,266,000
|align="right"|+65%
|align="right"|+643,000
|align="right"|+20%
|-
|align="left"|[[Laura Ingraham]]
|align="right"|+550,000
|align="right"|+89%
|align="right"|+819,000
|align="right"|+73%
|align="right"|+575,000
|align="right"|+30%
|-
|align="left"|[[Ann Coulter]]
|align="right"|+463,000
|align="right"|+63%
|align="right"|+632,000
|align="right"|+53%
|align="right"|+279,000
|align="right"|+15%
|-
|align="left"|Judge [[Jeanine Pirro]]
|align="right"|+292,000
|align="right"|+222%
|align="right"|+479,500
|align="right"|+113%
|align="right"|+387,000
|align="right"|+43%
|-
|align="left"|[[Franklin Graham]]
|align="right"|+277,000
|align="right"|+59%
|align="right"|+565,000
|align="right"|+76%
|align="right"|+489,000
|align="right"|+37%
|-
|align="left"|[[Sarah Palin]]
|align="right"|+226,000
|align="right"|+20%
|align="right"|+139,000
|align="right"|+10%
|align="right"|+16,000
|align="right"|+1%
|-
|align="left"|[[Tucker Carlson]]
|align="right"|+224,000
|align="right"|+89%
|align="right"|+943,000
|align="right"|+198%
|align="right"|+930,000
|align="right"|+65%
|-
|align="left"|[[Steven Crowder]]
|align="right"|+180,000
|align="right"|+122%
|align="right"|+177,000
|align="right"|+54%
|align="right"|+151,000
|align="right"|+30%
|-
|align="left"|[[Dinesh D'Souza]]
|align="right"|+166,000
|align="right"|+69%
|align="right"|+313,000
|align="right"|+77%
|align="right"|+362,000
|align="right"|+50%
|-
|align="left"|[[Mark Levin]]
|align="right"|+157,000
|align="right"|+30%
|align="right"|+346,000
|align="right"|+50%
|align="right"|+398,000
|align="right"|+39%
|-
|align="left"|[[James O'Keefe]]
|align="right"|+147,000
|align="right"|+198%
|align="right"|+136,000
|align="right"|+62%
|align="right"|+125,000
|align="right"|+35%
|-
|align="left"|[[Katie Pavlich]]
|align="right"|+145,000
|align="right"|+70%
|align="right"|+111,900
|align="right"|+32%
|align="right"|+131,000
|align="right"|+28%
|-
|align="left"|[[Allen West]]
|align="right"|+137,000
|align="right"|+29%
|align="right"|+132,000
|align="right"|+22%
|align="right"|+15,000
|align="right"|+2%
|-
|align="left"|Dr. [[Charles Krauthammer]]
|align="right"|+121,000
|align="right"|+20%
|align="right"|+135,000
|align="right"|+18%
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|-
|align="left"|[[Monica Crowley]]
|align="right"|+114,000
|align="right"|+42%
|align="right"|+84,000
|align="right"|+22%
|align="right"|+51,000
|align="right"|+11%
|-
|align="left"|[[Linda Suhler]], Ph. D.
|align="right"|+90,000
|align="right"|+48%
|align="right"|+73,000
|align="right"|+26%
|align="right"|+24,800
|align="right"|+7%
|-
|align="left"|Gov. [[Greg Abbott]]
|align="right"|+65,000
|align="right"|+40%
|align="right"|+129,300
|align="right"|+57%
|align="right"|+40,300
|align="right"|+11%
|-
|align="left"|[[John Nolte]]
|align="right"|+46,000
|align="right"|+74%
|align="right"|+41,800
|align="right"|+38%
|align="right"|+8,900
|align="right"|+6%
|-
|align="left"|[[Dennis Prager]]
|align="right"|+28,000
|align="right"|+50%
|align="right"|+51,300
|align="right"|+60%
|align="right"|+47,100
|align="right"|+35%
|-
|align="left"|[[Hugh Hewitt]]
|align="right"|+42,000
|align="right"|+47%
|align="right"|+29,100
|align="right"|+22%
|align="right"|+10,500
|align="right"|+7%
|-
|align="left"|[[Nikki Haley]]
|align="right"|+57,000
|align="right"|+47%
|align="right"|+746,000
|align="right"|+417%
|align="right"|+725,000
|align="right"|+78%
|-
|align="left"|Sen. [[Tim Scott]]
|align="right"|+51,000
|align="right"|+45%
|align="right"|+177,200
|align="right"|+108%
|align="right"|+39,000
|align="right"|+11%
|-
|align="left"|[[Kellyanne Conway]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+1,376,000
|align="right"|+232%
|align="right"|+532,000
|align="right"|+27%
|-
|align="left"|Sher. [[David Clarke]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+540,000
|align="right"|+123%
|align="right"|-36,000
|align="right"|-4%
|-
|align="left"|[[Dan Scavino]], Jr.
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+196,000
|align="right"|+74%
|align="right"|+41,000
|align="right"|+9%
|-
|align="left"|[[Bill Mitchell]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+143,500
|align="right"|+85%
|align="right"|+89,000
|align="right"|+29%
|-
|align="left"|[[Wayne Dupree]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+136,100
|align="right"|+91%
|align="right"|+23,500
|align="right"|+8%
|-
|align="left"|[[Larry Kudlow]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+76,700
|align="right"|+73%
|align="right"|+53,800
|align="right"|+30%
|-
|align="left"|[[Kayleigh McEnany]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+39,100
|align="right"|+57%
|align="right"|+34,000
|align="right"|+31%
|-
|align="left"|[[Sarah Sanders]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+1,206,000
|align="right"|+43%
|-
|align="left"|[[Candace Owens]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+634,000 +
|align="right"|+192% +
|-
|align="left"|[[Charlie Kirk]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+564,000
|align="right"|+208%
|-
|align="left"|[[Diamond and Silk]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+473,000
|align="right"|+99%
|-
|align="left"|[[Sebastian Gorka]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+175,000 +
|align="right"|+36% +
|-
|align="left"|[[John Bolton]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+168,000
|align="right"|+65%
|-
|align="left"|[[Chuck Woolery]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+158,000
|align="right"|+47%
|-
|align="left"|[[Alana Mastrangelo]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+67,400
|align="right"|+85%
|-
|align="left"|[[Liz Wheeler]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+102,000
|align="right"|+72%
|-
|align="left"|[[Sean Davis]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+52,600
|align="right"|+62%
|-
|align="left"|Rep. [[Mark Meadows]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+100,000 +
|align="right"|+51% +
|-
|align="left"|[[Charles V. Payne]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+99,300
|align="right"|+49%
|-
|align="left"|[[Tim Young]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+58,700
|align="right"|+43%
|-
|align="left"|[[Dylan Wheeler]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+100,200
|align="right"|+41%
|-
|align="left"|[[Buck Sexton]]
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|
|align="right"|+47,300
|align="right"|+38%
|}

[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 03:40, 1 January 2018 (EST)
:I just had a big mystery solved. Monica Crowley was originally named as one of Trump's top advisors (see [[Jared Kushner]] page. She backed out at the last minute. I always wondered what dirt the FBI had on her, But it's something different. [[Victor Pinchuk]] hired her as his DC lobbyist. [https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/monica-crowley-registers-foreign-agent-lobbying-for-victor-pinchuk] She's probably making 3 or 4 times more as his attorney than she would on the National Security Council ([[Adam Waldman]] is being paid $40,000 a month). Pinchuk gave $29 million to the Clintons, and is behind [[Alexandra Chalupa]], [[Olga Bielkova]], and bunch of sources for the [[Steele dossier]].
:So there are two observations here about corrupt DC politics: One, given a choice, does a person go for temporary power and influence ([[NSC]] staff) or greed (big cash)? Secondly, this explains why Trump has had some difficultly in getting an retain staff (in addition to the illegal FISA surveillance on Trump staffers and appointees), qualified people are simply targeted, paid off, and outbid on government pay scales by Trump opponents. I'm sure she's not the first or only one. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 00:55, 12 November 2019 (EST)

==Twitter reactions on the news==

I try to produce web pages at Conservapedia that are useful, or even seem like they may be useful but at the time can't put my finger on what they may be useful for.

This is one of those times when a use has become uncovered. Several news events involving the top Twitterers took place this month, and now we can see its effect on their followers.

[https://twitter.com/BrittPettibone Brittany Pettibone] was detained three days and then turned away from the United Kingdom for loving Great Britain when it was populated by the British. Her Twitter followers rose from 110,000 followers on March 2, 2018 to 133,000 on March 23, 2018 (+ 21%).

[https://twitter.com/scrowder Steven Crowder] was suspended from Twitter seven days for uploading a comic video, and meanwhile Louis Farrakhan's Twitter account uploaded many videos with anti-Jewish remarks and was left alone. Crowder's Twitter followers rose from 549,000 followers on March 2 to 583,000 on March 23, 2018 (+ 6%).

Not to leave out events about other Twitter users, [[Paul Nehlen]], a competitor in Paul Ryan's Congressional race was removed from Twitter over a certain picture he had posted. Eventually you stop pursuing Twitter's rationales for removal of conservatives and just assume they are false.

And [https://twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton John Bolton], who was recently added by President Trump to his National Security team, had his Twitter followers rise from 264,000 on March 2 to 290,000 on March 23 (+ 10%). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 20:10, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

:Specifically regarding Bolton, he now has nearly 306,000 followers as of the time I'm writing this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:19, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

:The month is not yet over and The Broward-County/Democrat-Party-disregard-of-gun-laws diversion circus swept in [http://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle Laura Ingraham] this month to attack her for making a random remark about it in passing: Her Twitter followers rose from 2,111,000 on March 2 to 2,177,000 on March 31 (+ 3%). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 14:39, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

Conservative commentators [https://twitter.com/DiamondandSilk Diamond and Silk] caught Facebook shadow-banning their account and after months of inquiry received a reply April 5, 2018 regarding their Facebook page, "your content and your brand has been determined unsafe to the community."

The two women replied: "So our questions to Facebook (Mark Zuckerberg) are:
*1. What is unsafe about two Blk-women supporting the @POTUS @realDonaldTrump?
*2. Our FB page has been created since December 2014, when exactly did the content and the brand become unsafe to the community?
*3. When you say "community" are you referring to the Millions who liked and followed our page?
*4. What content on our page was in violation?
*5. If our content and brand was so unsafe to the community, why is the option for us to boost our content and spend money with FB to enhance our brand page still available? Maybe FB should give us a refund since FB censored our reach.
*6. Lastly, didn't FB violate their own policy when FB stopped sending notifications to the Millions of people who liked and followed our brand page?

"This is deliberate bias censorship and discrimination. These tactics are unacceptable and we want answers!"

On March 2, Diamond and Silk had 584,000 followers on Twitter. On April 8, their readership had grown to 621,000 (+ 6%) [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 03:00, 8 April 2018 (EDT)


The House of Representatives Energy and Commerce Committee on April 11, 2018 interviewed Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg in the halls of Congress, and some of the members of Congress actually held up a poster-sized photograph of Diamond and Silk and asked him if he recognized them or knew about the removal of their account from Facebook. Zuckerberg tried to change the subject to a more general question, but eventually replied that the removal was an error.

Diamond and Silks' followers on Twitter rose from 584,000 on March 2 by 84,000 to 668,000 on April 18 (+ 14%). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 17:20, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

===Someone or more than one person is targeting top conservatives on Twitter===

[http://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow Wayne Dupree] is now claiming that he has noticed shadow-banning on his Twitter account. That makes seven top conservatives on Twitter members being targeted in an attempt to marginalize them: Brittany Pettibone, Steven Crowder, Paul Nehlen, Laura Ingraham, Diamond and Silk, Wayne Dupree and Feisty☀️FL [FL = Floridian] (@Feisty_FL).

[http://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle [[Laura Ingraham]]] was able to get some publicity and conservative support regarding the boycott staged against her advertisers regarding her having showed skepticism against the attempt to add new gun-restriction laws to those laws that are already not being implemented. Her followers on Twitter rose from 2,111,000 on March 2 to 2,239,000 on April 18, a rise of 128,000 (+ 6%). [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 17:20, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

==April Fool's joke==

The ''Titanic'': built by experts. Ark: built by [[best of the public]]. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 09:05, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

== How would you guys convince an athiest about God? ==

Purely hypothetical, but I’m curious so see all the different tactics. [[User:GoodWeather|GoodWeather]] ([[User talk:GoodWeather|talk]]) 18:39, 15 May 2018 (EDT)

:The problem with your question is that it assumes atheists need to be convinced about the existence of God. God's existence is already obvious to everyone (see Romans 1:18-23, Psalm 14:1). The problem with atheists is not that they're unconvinced of God, it's that they reject God and His Word outright. Also, I can't convince anyone to submit God -- that's something God in His grace (alone) does to those He chooses to show mercy. If it weren't for God's opening up of the eyes of believers, none of us would submit to Him (see Romans 8:7-8, for example). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:57, 15 May 2018 (EDT)

::The "tactic" against you, "GoodWeather" is to boot you off the site, along with your many socks, for trolling, harassment, and outright lying. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 01:48, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Another atheist who received [[atheist indoctrination]] in a poorly run public school. The telltale sign is that he cannot spell the word atheist correctly.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:56, 16 May 2018 (EDT)

::::It's a pity that Chawcer, who had geneyus, was so unedicated as well. He's the wuss speller I know of. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 10:31, 26 May 2018 (EDT)
:::::1990sguy nails it. If you're a sceptic, you're already decieved (see 2 Tim 2:26). IMHO, one should begin by desiring to free their mind from Satanic enslavement, and that would put you on the path of the knowledge of God. It's not always a straight line from disbelief to belief. You need a desire to free yourself from deception to start. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 15:29, 26 May 2018 (EDT)

== Twitter prune ==

I read in passing that Twitter was going to start pruning non-responsive accounts soon. I read the same thing about two months ago, and yet I didn't notice any difference in the follower count of conservatives that couldn't be explained by summer vacations.

But if so, this may mark the first time in about three years that conservatives will see a real downward "trend" (actually a one-time brief decrease). Who knows which accounts will be affected, how long it will take for them to recover from these corrections, and whether these removals will be administered fairly. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 04:22, 13 July 2018 (EDT)

:So far the purged accounts among conservatives with the largest number of followers have been mostly chicken feed:

::Donald Trump: -0.04%
::Sean Hannity: -2.0%
::Sarah Sanders: -0.1%
::Ben and Candy Carson: -3.4%
::Laura Ingraham: -0.3%

::Kellyanne Conway: -0.04%
::Michelle Malkin: -1.7%
::Tucker Carlson: -0.4%
::Ann Coulter: -0.9%
::Franklin Graham: -0.15%

::Sarah Palin: -3.9%

:I read in articles about the inflation of Twitter accounts that journalists reporting on it expected some political figures with a large popularity to have 40 or 50 percent inactive or fake followers. This brief survey shows this is not the case with conservative figures with large popularity.

:I think the reason for the faint exception in Ben and Candy Carson's and Sarah Palin's case, is that they had been inactive for a long period of time, so the people who subscribed to their accounts were going to wait until those conservatives posted "in person" rather than by their staffs, and when their feeds weren't being written by their staffs either, the zero newsfeed made their accounts easy to maintain (that is, not taking up any space) nor allowing any opportunity for those Twitter figures to say things with which these followers might disagree and cause them to unsubscribe.

:On the other hand, I also think these pruned subscribers possibly heard about these popular conservatives' Twitter accounts and made an impulse decision to subscribe to them due to their popularity, but weren't necessarily very committed to Twitter as a whole. Hence they left to do other things, but still holding out hope for the popular figures to come back (I am willing to bet that Rush Limbaugh is among these), they never deleted their account, but only monitored it sporadically.

:Now you know that these things are going on, don't be discouraged from politics or feel you have to keep silent if you notice it happening elsewhere or hear complaints of your fellow conservatives or sneers by liberals about decreasing follower counts. You're welcome. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 03:38, 14 July 2018 (EDT)

==Shadowban evidence==
There is an online shadowban detector that I found today. To catch Twitter in the act before they find out about it and possibly change their search algorithms (they have done this for a different tool), I entered all 100 names on my Top Conservatives on Twitter list because I believe that time may be of the essence.

[https://twitter.com/PoliticalShort Nick Short] 139,500 followers 
[https://twitter.com/BrittPettibone Brittany Pettibone] 137,800 followers 
[https://twitter.com/TheMarkPantano Mark Pantano] 119,500 followers 
[https://twitter.com/Rockprincess818 RockPrincess] 104,400 
[https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit Jim Hoft] 101,900 followers 
[https://twitter.com/JBurtonXP Jack Burton] 71,500 followers 
[https://twitter.com/Feisty_FL Feisty☀️FL] 18,920 followers 

These are "quality" shadowbanned. I guess because they don't have enough liberal "quality". [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 00:58, 27 July 2018 (EDT)

:Twitter spoke out yesterday about accusations of shadowbanning:

::"ACTUALLY what we do doesn't TECHNICALLY qualify as "shadowbanning." We just make certain users harder to see based on our totally opaque, uncontestable, unilaterally-determined definition of 'relevance.'"

:I was just pulling your leg; that was a satire written by Jack Burton above. He actually may not even know that he himself is shadowbanned. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 19:57, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

::BTW FYI, I checked, and the Conservapedia Twitter account (@Jay_pe) is not shadowbanned. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 23:22, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

== Yay! HTTPS! ==

I'm glad we managed to get HTTPS set up! I know it's a bit of a nuisance, but it is a good idea! It seems the PayPal plugin is still using HTTP, but this is still better than before! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:28, 5 August 2018 (EDT)
:It does seem that the favicon on the home page is not loading correctly, also. It seems to work elsewhere just fine. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:52, 5 August 2018 (EDT)
::For the record, the favicon doesn't show up at all on Chrome (and I don't think it ever has). This might be something that should be fixed. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:00, 5 August 2018 (EDT)
:::Scratch that--it's working now. I don't know if the issue got fixed, or it was a temporary glitch. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:02, 5 August 2018 (EDT)
:::That's odd... I use Firefox, Opera, Vivaldi, and a number of other browsers but not chrome. I'd never noticed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:04, 5 August 2018 (EDT)
::::I see what you mean. I tried it in a chrome install, and couldn't see it either. Do we need to add it as a Base64 Encoded Image or some other such nonsense to get it to work? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:08, 5 August 2018 (EDT)

:::::I really should stop edit flooding here, but one more thing. Someone else with a similar problem said the following:
:::::{{cquote|Instead of using the filename favicon.ico for my icon, I renamed it to something else, ie myIcon.ico. Then I just used [this]:

:::::<nowiki><link rel="shortcut icon" href="myIcon.ico" type="image/x-icon" /></nowiki>}}

:::::The full discussion I'm talking about is found [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16375592/favicon-not-showing-up-in-google-chrome here]. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:13, 5 August 2018 (EDT)

== requested article: Trumponomics ==

Article request: [[Trumponomics]]. It would be a nice complementary article to our [[Obamunism]] article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 5 August 2018 (EDT)

== HTTP -->HTTPS URL update project ==

The Web is changing a great deal. One of these changes is the shift from the [[HyperText Transfer Protocol]] to [[HyperText Transfer Protocol Secure]] (which we have recently done in part here at CP as well). While HTTPS is not perfect (and it will continue to be less than ideal at least until/unless we get DNSSEC) this is a good move, as it provides some security and privacy using TLS. 

The problem for us is that we now have a great deal of links which still refer to the old protocol. 1990'sguy pointed out this issue and suggested that I use my bot to update our links. I don't have the ability to automatically test URLs for TLS support, so I'm making a list of URLs to be updated. If there are any websites linked to anywhere on CP which have upgraded to HTTPS but are still linked to under HTTP, please add them to [[User:DavidB4-bot/HTTPS URL update project|the list]]. I will then attempt to verify that they are using sufficiently complete HTTPS configurations, and then do my best to apply the change to all CP articles and perhaps some other pages as well. 

I have never done this before, so it may take a little time and fine-tuning to get it right. Also, it will take time to process these updates on all 46,236+ articles, plus a yet undecided number of other pages. Thank you for your patience and assistance! Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:03, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

:''And if this all sounds like nonsense, doesn't make sense, or doesn't seem to matter, that's fine. Just let me know if anything catches fire, and other than that, I'll try to stay out of the way and not break anything.'' --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:15, 11 September 2018 (EDT)

==Overflow business==

Conservapedia has already reached 686,043,027 visits. It was a only a short time ago that I heard this site had reached 600,000,000 visits. Andy deserves a lot of credit and should be proud for having built such a successful conservative website under his helm. Thanks, Andy! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 15:17, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
=== Conservapedia - Alexa rankings ===
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[[File:ConservapediaAlexaMay2010.jpg|thumbnail|400px|center|May 2010]]
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== Hi everyone ==

I'm new here. Is there anything important I should know before doing stuff? How do I add images to articles? How do I get around CAPTCHA's? Thanks, [[User:Edenfaithful|Edenfaithful]] ([[User talk:Edenfaithful|talk]]) 09:24, 25 December 2018 (EST)
:Make substantial edits, show your good faith, obey Conservapedia's rules, and establish a good reputation. Then Andy will promote you to SkipCAPCHA. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 11:54, 25 December 2018 (EST)
== Millenials mispronouncing common English words ==

Some Millenials do so much social media instead of hearing voices on TV and radio (unless it's their peers or near-peers on YouTube) and texting instead of talking to friends, that they mispronounce what were thought to be common English words. I saw one pronounce "thorough" thō’ rō’ instead of thur’-ō. Another had taught her mom to say osurring instead of occuring. It's really jarring when it happens. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 16:42, 22 January 2019 (EST)

== Question (VargasMilan's April fool's joke that DavidB4 fell for) ==

Why is cream more expensive than milk? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 21:10, 1 April 2019 (EDT)

:There is less of it produced. Depending on the cow breed, age, period, diet, and more, raw milk typically consists of about 3.5% – 5% cream, with the rest being what we know as "skim milk" (what is left after the cream is skimmed off the top). Skim milk (which used to be considered almost worthless, and fed to animals or used in lower-quality cooking) is now sold as a health food, as are 1% fat and 2% fat milks. Even "Whole milk" has some cream removed, bringing it down to 3.25% cream. However, there is only so much cream they can take out of the standard milk supply. Cream is needed for a variety of dairy products, such as cheeses, butter, and ice cream, and it is also used as-is in some cases, such as adding to coffee. Basically, it goes back to supply and demand. There is a somewhat limited supply (compared to skim milk), and great deal of demand. Besides, cream is considered the best part, so they know they can charge people more for the best milk product. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:55, 1 April 2019 (EDT)

::Wrong! It's because the cows ''hate'' to squat over those little cartons.

::Hope everyone had a great April Fool's day, especially DavidB, who fell for my prank. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 15:28, 2 April 2019 (EDT)

:::I wondered if there was a relation between the date and the odd question...Sorry, I'll try to assume the worst in everyone from now on, rather than taking the time to answer even odd questions. ;) --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:46, 2 April 2019 (EDT)
::::Uhhh....Thanks, Conservative. I think. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:41, 2 April 2019 (EDT)

:::::He he! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 22:57, 2 April 2019 (EDT)

== Don't bite the newbie editors via reversions ==
CP needs research assistants, copy editors, and people to do maintenance and formatting work, not just content contributers. Most wikis have a Don't Bite the Newbies policy. I find [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221367707_Don't_bite_the_newbies_How_reverts_affect_the_quantity_and_quality_of_Wikipedia_work this archived discussion useful.] If CP doesn't have an official policy, it still is useful for CP Admins to know that reverting newcomers has the effect of limiting CP's user base. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 14:05, 28 July 2019 (EDT)
:Other than people inserting nonsense and/pushing misleading/errant liberal/leftist tripe, I think this was an excellent post. A little politeness and diplomacy goes a long way.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:23, 28 July 2019 (EDT)
::Oftentimes, new editors try to change the POV of articles, copy info from Wikipedia, or made other edits which are unencyclopedic (on an encyclopedia). Rob has a good point on treating new editors with respect, but it '''cannot''' be at the expense of the quality of CP's articles. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:26, 28 July 2019 (EDT)
:::It shouldn't be at the expense of limiting CP's user and contributor base, either. Perhaps 90/10 has a negative impact, sometimes. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']] 14:53, 28 July 2019 (EDT)

== In the News ==

Maybe this should be added to In the News:
“Kavanaugh accuser's lawyer said allegations could help undermine abortion rulings: 'Part of what motivated Christine'” reports Fox News. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/christine-blasey-ford-attorney-says-she-came-forward-to-get-asterisk-on-kavanaughs-name-ahead-of-abortion-rulings.amp) - JobsNotMobs

== Added topic ==

Hello!

I noticed that some image upload requests I made have been up for a few weeks and not handled yet. DavidB4 usually takes care of these, but I'm sure he has a lot on his plate, so I was wondering if maybe another admin with upload privileges could add them in. I think there's one other guy waiting on his requests, too. No rush, just wanted to ask. Thank you!
[[User:Teakin88|Teakin88]] ([[User talk:Teakin88|talk]]) 11:41, 2 November 2019 (EDT)

:Thanks for the heads-up! Unfortunately, there's an apparent backlog at the page, so that's why the requests are taking so long. It's not uncommon for such requests to take so long. I let DavidB4 know about your message. Since your requested images are not from Wikimedia Commons, I, unfortunately, cannot upload them myself because of my lack of expertise regarding licensing (I'm sure they're appropriate to upload, but I'd rather let more knowledgeable editors handle such images). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:20, 2 November 2019 (EDT)

::I have been hoping another admin would help, but if not, I'll get there eventually. I have a lot going on IRL for me right now, so I haven't had much time to help out here. Sorry for the wait! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:28, 5 November 2019 (EST)

:::Unfortunately, I don't know enough about copyright law to help with the non-commons images. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:26, 5 November 2019 (EST)

== Pages for expansion ==

Hello! As you can see, I am new here, and have just started editing. May I ask, is there a page for stub articles or articles that need to be expanded? Thank you. {{unsigned|Malcolmdavis}}

:We don't have a page like that. The best thing to do is look for stubs in the topics you're interested in, and expand those.

:Very important -- always use reliable sources and encyclopedic wording, and adhere to CP's style guidelines. I have posted some helpful links on your user talk page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:00, 12 December 2019 (EST)

::While we don't have a managed page like that, the wiki can give you a list of pages with very little contnet. This includes disambiguation pages, index pages, and other stuff so it is a little messy. However, you could try taking a look at [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:ShortPages&limit=300&offset=240 Special:ShortPages] and see what you find. It' snot a clean list or easy to use, but you can try it if you would like. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:04, 12 December 2019 (EST)

==Top conservative Twitter accounts suspended while everyone is getting ready for the holidays==

Two of my [[Essay:Top conservatives on Twitter]] list members were suspended this week: Linda Suhler [a PhD] (387,460) and CC (300,300) @ChatbyCC, formerly known as Christie Chat). They have been on my list since August 1, 2015 and January 3, 2017, respectively. Twitter announced that they will be suspending accounts at-will in the future. There is no way the suspensions of these two accounts are not strategic by Twitter to promote liberalism. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 01:06, 20 December 2019 (EST)

:Typical. Basically they have built a massive network, where most people are. Now they are quietly de latforming all conservatives, in an attempt to make liberalism look like the norm. Only the conservatives see it happening, so everyone else is oblivious that it is more of a psyops move than a culture shift. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:54, 20 December 2019 (EST)

== How to add an image file to Conservapedia? ==

Just curious, how do I add an image in the form of a file to [[Conservapedia]] so I can use it to add to pages? Also, which types of images am I allowed to "borrow" from the internet? Thanks! - Liberaltears
:[[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 19:20, 20 January 2020 (EST)

::Thanks! [[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] (8:12, 20 January 2020)

:::As for which images you can use, you should ideally find ones which have been released as [[Public Domain]] or under a [[Creative Commons]] license. Some good sources are listed below. If you especially want an image wich is not available under one of these conditions, and there is no suitable substitute, it may still be usable under the [[Fair use]] doctrine, but it's better not to do this; I can give a second opinion as to whether it might be okay to use an image in this way, but I'm not a lawyer.

:::*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiMedia Commons]
:::*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr]
:::*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:::*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
:::*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]
:::--[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:31, 20 January 2020 (EST)
:::: Thanks! [[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] 1:23, 21 January 2020

== Iowa Caucuses ==

Hello everyone! I just wanted to let it be known; I noticed that some additions had been made to my page on the [[2020 Iowa Democratic caucuses]], and I in turn edited some of that and made more additions myself, mostly revolving around whether the caucus was in fact rigged by the Democrats to deny Sanders a clear victory. Personally, I have no trouble believing that it was, but since it hasn't been definitively proven, I've changed the language a bit to make it more a matter of opinion, while leaving up all the information and sources that show the basis for this opinion, and how likely it is that the results were in fact manipulated. Just wanted to let everyone know about that. -[[User:Teakin88|Teakin88]]

== Template permission request ==

Hello, I'd like to request [[Conservapedia]] sysop permission to make a template titled "Template:Republican establishment". --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 11:07, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
:I dunno; is this an effort to divide the GOP establishment and Tea Party from Trump Republicans in an election year? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 12:49, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
::No, I'm not trying to promote division, I just thought that it could be a productive addition to Conservapedia to use for specification purposes on many of the pages regarding establishment Republicans and groups such as the [[National Republican Senatorial Committee|NRSC]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 13:12, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
::So do I have permission to create the template or not? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 23:41, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
:::I don't quite understand the use case for this template...What will it contain? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:54, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

== Strange occurrence... ==

Can someone tell me what just happened? I remember making a page creation on [[Eugene Scalia]] just about half an hour ago as well as a few other edits, but it seems that they were somehow reverted/hidden mysteriously and I couldn't find any log details on it. I know that there was a server error or something similar to such just a few minutes ago, but I'm not sure how that would cause a revert of my edits. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 12:48, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

:So sorry! That was a hosting glitch. Please repost those edits - you might still have them in your cache in your browser. Thanks for understanding!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 13:50, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

::Terry H's MPR post also disappeared. Nothing under Terry's H's contribs for today. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 14:07, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

:::My browser is set on private mode, so I can't re-access the information. Would the data be saved elsewhere? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 14:44, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

::::Beats me. My computer crashed about the same time. I had the MPR Template open when it did with Terry's post, but when I rebooted it disappeared completely. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 15:56, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

:::::Hopefully the [[Deep state]] didn't hack the server and our computers and proceed to bleach bit the data. You get the joke? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 16:29, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

::::::Could be, could be! Maybe they were reading Conservapedia, got fed up and couldn't take anymore. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 16:41, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

:::::::Maybe Hillary's Deep state shilleries got triggered! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]] ([[User talk:Liberaltears|talk]]) 16:55, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

::::::::No. It was the Chinese intelligence service [[AI]] that read all the [[ChiCom flu]], [[Chinese virus]], [[CCP virus]], ''et al'' redirects created in the last few days. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 17:08, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

:::::::::Ah, so that's why...haha!
:::::::::Liberaltears, it sounds like that data is gone. Sorry! Andy is right--your browser could potentially hold on to recent posts, but only until the browser is closed. If it is still open from then, literally try using the back button dozens of times until you reach the edit page for the article when you made the post. If you have closed your browser since then, though, the private browsing mode would have prompted it to be purged. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:45, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

::::::::::You're right, the original data was purged. However, I took the effort and recreated the page on [[Eugene Scalia]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 18:07, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

Sorry about that--I know it is a real nuisance to re-write content! The problem should be fixed now--let us know if you have more issues like this. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:48, 24 March 2020 (EDT)
:Alright, thank you DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 11:02, 24 March 2020 (EDT)

::And...it still isn't fixed. Sorry, I'm seeing errors again too. We're looking into it. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:24, 24 March 2020 (EDT)

Just curious, does it occur for any of you that while you're trying to make a significant edit, when you click the "preview" option to just to make sure you didn't make a huge mistake, especially if it's regarding a template, that the loading appears to take forever and that the preview simply doesn't show up? That happened to me while I was creating the page on [[Kelli Ward]], and it was somewhat of a nuisance. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 17:27, 24 March 2020 (EDT)

:I've had that happen before. I typically find that when that happens, if I open another conservapedia page in a new tab, it fails to load. I think when you try to see a preview, it contacts the server. If the server is having a problem, the preview will also fail to work, therefore. If I try just submitting an edit when that is happening, it usually fails too. It seems like loading a preview could be done using client-side scripts (right in your browser), but from experience, I would say it does not. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:25, 24 March 2020 (EDT)

::As far as today went, while I was editing, all [[Conservapedia]] pages loaded well most of the time when I open them in a new tab, although the server did seem somewhat slower than usual. However, the "preview" option for editing still doesn't work for all pages whose content is above around 100 bytes. For instance, it works if I'm making a redirect page, but not for content pages.

::By the way DavidB4, since you're around, I was wondering when you might finish uploading all the images for [[Conservapedia:Image_upload_requests#Photo_requests.2C_2.2F7.2F20|this long list]]. No rush or anything, but I'm largely curious if some of my image requests [[Conservapedia:Image_upload_requests#February_26.2C_2020_image_requests_by_Liberaltears|here]] and [[Conservapedia:Image_upload_requests#March_16.2C_2020_image_requests_by_Liberaltears|here]] that aren't covered under a Creative Commons or Public Domain license can be uploaded under the Fair Use license. Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 18:46, 24 March 2020 (EDT)

:::You're right, the preview isn't working at all for me, now.
:::In regard to the upload requests, I'm trying to get through them a few at a time, but there is a serious backlog, and it looks like I'm the only one working on it right now. I will try to give it more priority, but it is definitely going to take me some time. Thank you for understanding! What I can see by skimming through the list is that you have a lot from WikiMedia Commons and Flickr...that's good! I'll just check each one to make sure they are usable as I go. As for the other sources, I will need to check one-by-one. As examples though, ballotpedia.org and studybreaks.com do not seem to publish a copyright policy, so I must assume that their content is under full copyright. It would be better if we could use a different sources, but if there are no others available, we might be able to use these. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:06, 31 March 2020 (EDT)
::::Alright, thank you DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 16:09, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

== Improvising [[Template:Officeholder/senator]]... ==

Hello, I'd like to request an [[Conservapedia:Administrators|administrator]] to make a following change to [[Template:Officeholder/senator]], since I can't simply edit it due to the template being locked. As far as I know, whenever the template is used in a page, all the information needs to be filled properly for everything to appear in the correct manner. This means that if the information about the state isn't filled in, {{{state}}} will show up, and if the terms aren't filled in, {{{terms}}} will show up, etc. (the only exception is the “|succeeded=”, as “Incumbent (no successor)” shows up if left blank) However, the “|former=(y or n)” is the only exception, as if it's left out, it's automatically assumed that “former=n”, as it's only necessary to imply that a senator has left office. I would like to request replacing this part with a part such that:

*when using the [[Template:Officeholder/senator]], it would be filled as “|status=(s, j, or f)”
*if the information is not inputted, “{{{status}}}” would simply show up before “U.S. Senator from {{{state}}}”
*if “|status=s”, then “Senior” will show up before “U.S. Senator from {{{state}}}”
*if “|status=j”, then “Junior” will show up before “U.S. Senator from {{{state}}}”
*if “|status=f”, then “Former” will show up before “U.S. Senator from {{{state}}}”
*if “|status=(anything filled in except for s, j, or f)”, then “{{{status}}}” will show up before “U.S. Senator from {{{state}}}”
--[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 15:39, 31 March 2020 (EDT)
:Oh, that's a problem. Writing/editing templates gives me a headache, but I might be able to fix this. If it is unlocked, would you be able to fix it? --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:47, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

::No, unfortunately I wouldn't be able to do it by myself. Having joined this site less than a year ago ([[Special:Log/Liberaltears|see here]]), I have gained much experience with [[CP]] formatting, but I'm not a hard-core expert, especially not with formatting for creating/improvising templates. While I can somewhat comprehend how certain inputs in template source codes correspond to certain functions (as I've done such in analyzing to fix [[Template:Officeholder/state representative|this template]]), I don't know enough to add in all the necessary information for my proposed improvisation. Since the template was locked anyway, I was hoping that a sysop would be able to do it. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 16:08, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

:::Update: I was able to improvise the template. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 13:21, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

== Fixing a mistake using the Infobox officeholder template... ==

Hello, I just created [[Donald Bolduc|this page]] that includes [[Template:Infobox officeholder]], but I don't understand how the formatting works when adding military info. I analyzed the source of the template, but I still don't understand how to fix the error. Can someone figure it out and fix it on the page? I have no idea. Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 22:41, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
:I went through the same thing on Gen. [[Mike Flynn]]'s page. It was a nightmare. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Michael_T._Flynn&action=edit#editform Here's how I fixed it, if it's any help.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 22:57, 12 April 2020 (EDT)

::I just added a "|military=y" in the template in the [[Donald Bolduc]] page, but that didn't seem to make a difference. Also, the template used in the [[Michael T. Flynn]] page is [[Template:Officeholder]], and the one used in the [[Donald Bolduc]] page is [[Template:Infobox officeholder]]. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 23:10, 12 April 2020 (EDT)

== Question about files that can be uploaded under Fair use... ==

Just curious, can Getty images be uploaded to [[CP]] under the Fair Use license? Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 13:51, 14 April 2020 (EDT)
:Probably not. That's why Getty has a watermark. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 14:02, 14 April 2020 (EDT)

::Okay, thank you RobSmith! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 14:10, 14 April 2020 (EDT)

:::Agreed, Getty is a company which makes money from the sale of images. This sort of company is not going to appreciate it if we try to make a "Fair Use" claim on them. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:16, 14 April 2020 (EDT)

::::Thank you for the further specification, DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 14:25, 14 April 2020 (EDT)

== Please look into this ==

https://www.conservapedia.com/Communications_Act_of_1934 this page is pretty vauge then has a hyper-link to this liberal site https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/LSB10082.pdf which is written by this democrat liberal who works for the ACLU of all places. https://www.aclu.org/news/by/kate-ruane/ so if someone could change this or look into it, thanks.
:FAS is a [[CIA]] front; I don't know if it should be described as "liberal". Sounds conspiratorial. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]] 17:17, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

== Changing font colors... ==
{| class="wikitable" style="float:right"
|-bgcolor=#cccccc
|- valign="center"
| [[File:SenatorCollins.jpg|237px]] || [[File:Sara Gideon.jpg|200px]]
|-
| <center>'''[[Susan Collins]]''' (likely nominee)</center> || <center>'''[[Sara Gideon]]''' (likely nominee)[[File:Democraticpartyusalogo.png|right|20px]]</center>
|}
Just curious, how do I make words appear in a dark red or dark blue color? I know how the formatting works, but I'm not sure what keywords to use for dark red and dark blue. Thanks! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 20:19, 25 April 2020 (EDT)
:Dark red I've had problems with so I use brown; for dark blue try boldening.
Red

Brown

'''Dark blue'''

Not sure if this helps, but it's the best I can do. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 20:47, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

:Thanks for the suggestion RobSmith, and here's the thing. So I created [[United States Senate election in Maine, 2020|this page]], and I was initially thinking of using dark red and dark blue for the font colors in the wikitable for [[Susan Collins]] and [[Sara Gideon]] respectively, thinking that it would contrast with the generic red/blue colors for internal links, but after closely observing the colors after your reply, it turns out that the regular red and blue colors differ from the generic colors for wikified text. However, there is also another problem. For the situation where I'm trying to change the font color, it seems that apparently font color can't be changed in a wikitable, or something else. I used a wikitable as I couldn't figure out a way to put one image directly to the left of another, and it seems that this issue with font color formatting arises.. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 21:43, 25 April 2020 (EDT)
::So are you trying to contrast GOP for red and Dem for blue? Maybe a miniicon like this or somesuch formatting. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]] 22:02, 25 April 2020 (EDT)
:::Great suggestion RobSmith; I just tried it and I think it works quite well! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 22:34, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

:::If it helps, you can also use a hex color code, like <code><nowiki>style="color:#000000"</nowiki></code> to indicate black. With a little trial and error (or a [https://www.w3schools.com/colors/colors_picker.asp hex color picking tool]) you could probably get it pretty close. If you want to match a specific color, you can get that code too. You could take a screenshot of that color, open it in a photo editor which tells you color codes (like gimp), and get the exact code you need. Or, if you use Firefox, open the menu, and select "Web Developer", then "Eyedropper" and move the pointer the color you want the code for. Using the default style, red links seem to be about "#c60000" and blue links seem to be about "#3366bb". I didn't test those though, so slight tweaks may be needed to get it exactly right. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:12, 25 April 2020 (EDT)
::::That's a great idea DavidB4, but the problem is that I can't figure out a way to code that into the source properly. I tried using <code><nowiki></nowiki></code>, but it didn't seem to work. I think it probably has to do with the way the wikitable functions, but I'm not entirely sure. Since I used what RobSmith suggested, the party affiliations are distinguished, so I suppose the font colors don't really need to be changed, though I do very much appreciate your suggestion! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 22:34, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

::::I am curious though, is there a way such that if two images are aligned to the right, that one image is directly to the left of the other? --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 22:37, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

:::::For plain text, you can just use "<nowiki>Colored text</nowiki>". Wouldn't that work? Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem. Anyway, I'm glad Rob's suggestion is working! --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:40, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

== McSally Derangement Syndrome ==

Just wondering, is it about time for [[Conservapedia]] to coin the term "McSally Derangement Syndrome" and make a page about it? After all, the [[liberal]] hatred for [[Martha McSally]] has been getting worse and worse, given the [[snowflake]]s erupting all over the internet, the [[establishment]] media being somewhat biased towards the senator, and even idiotic websites having been created as smears, all for the purpose of trying to oust McSally this election year. --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 12:39, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

:I tend to shy away from inventing terms, but I'm not firmly opposed to it, if this seems like a useful topic to others. I suspect that most snowflakes doesn't even know who McSally is, but they do know who Trump is. This seems to better justify having an article on the latter than the former. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

::About [[TDS]], it seems that [[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] already created the page a few years ago. And about McSally, while some [[snowflake]]s may not have heard of her, those who do tend to despise her and constantly tout her likely 2020 [[Democrat]] opponent [[Mark Kelly]]. For example, after the "liberal hack" rebuke against Manu Raju, there was a massive left-wing meltdown that McSally would *dare insult a CNN reporter*. Many have also used McSally's vote against [[Obamacare]] to ridiculously argue that she is somehow opposed to protection for [[pre-existing condition]]s, despite the fact that the Republican-led repeal efforts ''does'' provide a certain degree of protection for such. Also, on ''[[The Hill]]'', I always notice in the articles about the senator that the comment sections are filled to the brim with idiotic liberal remarks, such as touting [[Mark Kelly]]'s little-known military record while blatantly ignoring McSally's Air Force record as a combat fighter for two decades (I noticed the idiocy when citing ''The Hill'' as a biased [[establishment]] media outlet [[United_States_Senate_elections,_2020#Establishment_media.2FDemocrat_collusion|here]]). And that's not to mention the "opinion" articles on AZ Central attacking the senator. As well as the threat by a Tuscon man in 2018, etc. Overall, given this as a major election year, liberals are pouring a massive effort to unseat McSally, and their nonsensical rhetoric getting out of hand. Thus, I suppose whether the page should be made or not could be up for consideration at the moment, as it's possible other editors may have certain disagreements. And I do appreciate your input, DavidB4! --[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe]]''''' 01:08, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

== ICO file to highlight Conservapedia tab on browser ==

Most websites have a little jpg pic for the tab, like wikipedia or wordpress have a blue letter W.
This helps people keep track of sites when they have multiple tabs open.
It is done with a tiny image file with an .ico extension.
It would need to be inserted somewhere in the site settings.
(Without an ico or icon file, the tab presents on the browser as a plain blank rectangle.)

== Information Box ==

I've been working on a page for a World War I battle recently, and I want to add an information box at the top to include some of the basic facts and statistics. But I don't know for sure if I need to create a new template for that, or if there's an existing one I can apply: some exist for other wars like the Revolutionary War, but I can't tell if they will carry over to World War I or another conflict. Any ideas? -[[Teakin88]]

:I'm using the WWII battle Template on [[2020 Leftist insurrection]]. You could just cut n paste that one. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]] 23:39, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

::Thanks Rob! That was very useful. -[[Teakin88]]

== Is it OK for me to copy stuff I wrote on Wikipedia to here? ==

I am primarily a Wikipedia editor. (Feel free to check me out, my username is the same there.) I don't really prefer reading here because I think this site is very opinionated and derogatory to many people, and I do not agree with all the views of this site, even though I am a Christian. However, I don't really mind copying my contributions to this and other wikis. Is it OK (for non-politically related subjects)? Thanks! [[User:Félix An|Félix An]] ([[User talk:Félix An|talk]]) 21:40, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

:If it's your own work in your own words, then I believe it's fine. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Thursday, 21:43, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

::Thanks! Which sources can I cite here that are considered "reliable"? [[User:Félix An|Félix An]] ([[User talk:Félix An|talk]]) 21:53, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

:::I don't believe there to be a very detailed guide on that. Just go with sources that you can instinctually trust and don't seem sketchy. For example, Wikipedia should ''not'' be cited unless it's to prove the latter's [[Leftist roots of Wikipedia|liberal bias]]. Most conservative sites like [[Breitbart]], [[Townhall.com]], and the [[Daily Caller]] are great. Just keep in mind that the main reason for citing references is to back up whatever points you're trying to make on the articles you're editing on. If you cite anything that contains inappropriate language/content in any context, then it's important that you specify in the reference whatever that needs to warned for readers. Hope this helps. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Thursday, 22:07, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

== Access Issues ==

Has anyone else been encountering serious problems accessing Conservapedia the last few days? It seems like half the time I get on here, I'm met with an error message: "Internal Server Error," "Gateway Timeout," "Unauthorized," etc. It isn't all the time, but it's often enough to be frustrating, and if I'm not the only one, it needs to be sorted out. -[[Teakin88]]
:The [[DNC]] and their allied [[CCP]] hackers don't like the message getting out, so they are attempting to suppress information. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]] 15:06, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
::My recent edits have disappeared--again. Does anyone know what is going on??? -[[Teakin88]]
:::I have no idea what's happening either. Also, I had just mentioned about the issue [[Talk:Main_Page#Server_errors|here]]. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]''''' Wednesday, 11:04, 19 August 2020 (EDT)
::::Continuing to figure things out now. We have and will restore some of the edits. Sorry for the unexpected disruption!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 14:42, 19 August 2020 (EDT)

== Request to change article on homosexuality ==

Hey, nice work guys, I really love the articles. One thing I have noticed though is the lack of articles like "arguments FOR homosexuality." Now, I'm just as God-fearing as the rest of you, and I refuse to buy into the Homosexual Agenda as well, but if we want this place to maintain its non-partisanship, we should address both sides and deal with the Left's arguments accordingly. I was thinking about changing the existing debate articles by also including arguments for both sides. I have seen these leftists bring up some terrible points lately and I have just wanted to address them with this wonderful community - LeftistSchools
:You have to be an expert to talk about certain things discreetly. After all, the Bible says about some: "What they do is too shameful to discuss." Is that how you spell God-fearing? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 10:07, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

::I'd suggest a Debate page rather than a mainspace article at this point. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]] 12:43, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

:::My bad, I missed that typo when I was writing this up. It has been fixed. I believe you referenced Ephesians 5:12? Just before that verse, does it not also say that we should "Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them?" I agree with RobSmith in that a debate page should be set up. Active discussion must be involved if we are to expose the deeds of darkness - [[User:LeftistSchools]]

::::Verse 12 actually reads, ''For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]] 18:46, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

:::The Holy Apostle says to expose "the futile works of darkness" ''by contrast'' through seeking "complete goodness and right living and truth." It is also written, "cast not your pearls before swine, lest they trample them." The argument is over. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 20:16, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

==Ham and eggs==

If you say you have ham and eggs, you must have at least ''some'' ham or ''some'' eggs. If you switch steak for ham and switch oatmeal for eggs, how can you still say you have "ham and eggs"? That shouldn't be difficult to understand. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 10:36, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

== Night mode ==

Just wondering, is it just me, or is night mode not around anymore? Usually for a certain time period when night mode's on, account creation is disabled for everyone (except administrators), and editing is limited to those with the "Administrator" or "edit" tag. This usually prevents trolls from vandalizing when most editors aren't as active on CP. —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier's mother be all well!]]''''' Wednesday, 13:56, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

== More server issues ==

Is it just me, or does it occur for anyone else editing that CP would function normally for around nine minutes, then won't load for the next six minutes, with the process repeating? —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>Liberaltears</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Thursday, 23:47, 23 September 2020 (EDT)
:I typically can make 2 or 3 edits, purge the history for the past hour, and can re-edit. I'm rotating between 4 browsers to do it. It's been happening for about 3 days. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:07, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
::Ah, I see. I'll try purging my browser cache and see if it helps to at least partially resolve the nuisance. Thanks for the reply! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>Liberaltears</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Thursday, 00:15, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

== Hello ==

I'm new to Conservapedia, and I was wondering if there is a category for articles that need improvements? Such as spell-checking, adding wikilinks to dead-end articles, etc. Things that are easy to help me get familiar with the process of editing here. Thanks. [[User:MAGAViking|MAGAViking]] ([[User talk:MAGAViking|talk]]) 19:27, 24 October 2020 (EDT)
:If you look at the left side on any CP page and under "Edit Console", there's a link that says "Special pages". That lists some maintenance reports, including dead-end pages, etc. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 19:36, 24 October 2020 (EDT)
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:No, but that's a good idea. Here's a suggestion: you could look at [https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:PopularPages Popular Pages], and begin with the newer ones that seemingly are receiving the most traffic right now. Thanks! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:38, 24 October 2020 (EDT)
::Thank you for the suggestions! [[User:MAGAViking|MAGAViking]] ([[User talk:MAGAViking|talk]]) 19:45, 24 October 2020 (EDT)

== "President Biden" ==

So, although I hope and pray that the courts do the right thing and invalidate the voter fraud occurring, there is of course the possibility that Joe Biden will be taking the oath of office on January 20th.

However, since it is now obvious that he will have only done so by stealing the election, I think it is necessary for Conservapedia to determine its policy on referring to Trump and Biden in that scenario. My position is, since Biden did not lawfully win the election, he cannot truly be considered President, and therefore the page(s) devoted to him should not label him as such. Similarly, the page on Donald Trump should state that he remains the actual President (though of course an explanation will be necessary, that he is not able at the moment to exercise the powers of the Presidency).

Again, that's my position. What say others? -[[Teakin88]]

:Do you believe everything the [[MSM]] and [[Big Tech]] says? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:43, 6 November 2020 (EST)

::No. I do believe that the Democrats will try to steal it, and that the institutions which are supposed to stand in the way of that are too corrupt to be automatically trusted to do so. So my question remains--is the Conservapedia policy going to be to continue to acknowledge Trump as the lawful President, even if the worst comes to pass? [[User:Teakin88|Teakin88]]
:::Trump remains the President and Joe Biden remains a suspected agent of a foreign power. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]

::::I don't think the presidential election is over in Wisconsin. As the old saying goes, [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/additional-benford-analysis-chicago-pittsburg-like-milwaukee-show-likely-voter-fraud-benefiting-biden/ a picture is worth a thousand words]. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Saturday, 15:06, 7 November 2020 (EST)

== 2020 results ==

Georgia and North Carolina have finally been called, giving Biden a winning Electoral College tally of 306 to 232. The popular vote was 51 percent (78.7 million) for Biden to 47 percent (73.1 million) for Trump. The total presidential vote was 13.2 percent higher than in 2016.[https://cookpolitical.com/2020-national-popular-vote-tracker?] On election day, Biden's net approval was at +6.2 compared to -12.8 for Trump.[https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president/trumpbidenfavorability.html] On election day 2016, Clinton had a net approval of -12.6 while Trump had -21.[https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president/clintontrumpfavorability.html] So Trump could cover a 8.4 gap in his favorability numbers, but apparently not a 19 point gap.

From the chart, I'd say the Trump campaign was on track until the riots hit at the end of May. In others words, we can't blame covid. But we can blame Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, who refused to send in the troops to recover the two police stations that were siezed by the rioters -- at least not without a request from the local governor. What are we to make of the Democratic governors, who sacrificed their own states to the rioters rather than request federal aid? Are they telling their own voters that they are a bunch of racists who had it coming? Jay Inslee in Washington State was reelected by a whopping margin of 57 percent to 43 percent. Inslee called up 200 guardsmen to clear the highways at one point, but only laughed when asked about CHAZ. The state is so blue that riots aren't even controversial.

There is also the odd phenomenon of Republican candidates being nearly tied with Democrats in the House vote and in other downballot votes, despite the fact that Republicans lost the White House by a significant margin. We can expect a Republican sweep in the midterms. Four years of Trump news has exhausted all of us. It seems that a significant number of voters were hoping that ousting Trump and electing Republicans to Congress would give us a break from all the drama. Of course, the problem here is not so much anything Trump has actually done as the hysterical way that the media reacts to him. I certainly hope Trump is not back in 2024 and that the nomination goes to someone like Vice President Mike Pence or Senator Tom Cotton. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:22, 15 November 2020 (EST)

:The ticket-splitting may have been more in some liberal-leaning districts like the ones that propelled [[Young Kim]], Maria Elvira Salazar, Carlos Gimenez, Michelle Steel to victory. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Sunday, 00:39, 15 November 2020 (EST)

:Also, the problem with a candidate other than Trump is that they may not have the populist-approach appeal to some voters that were crucial to his 2016 victory. By the way PeterKa, do you live in Washington? —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Sunday, 00:44, 15 November 2020 (EST)
::As of late, I have not followed the 2020 election news closely. But knowing that Donald Trump is a "New Yorker fighter", he will likely run again in 2024 if he does not win in 2020. He may launch a news website/channel too as a prelude to 2024. In addition, Trump has a big ego which could also cause him to run in 2024 should he lose the 2020 election. Furthermore, I can't see Trump letting his very loyal fans down.
::U.S. President [[Grover Cleveland]] was elected non-consecutive terms and he was a New Yorker.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:17, 15 November 2020 (EST)
:::Yeah, I got to vote against Inslee and the state's appalling plan to teach sex education starting in the fifth grade.[https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/february/parents-alarmed-at-washington-state-k-12-sexxx-ed-that-would-offer-varieties-of-sexual-stimulation] Sadly, there is not much reason for a conservative to vote in Washington State.
:::In the argot of campaign strategists, Trump commits the sins of going off message and shooting down (attacking targets not worthy of his attention). Just by fixing those problems, he could go up 2 to 3 points in the polls. He'll be 78 on election day 2024. That's a year older than Biden is now. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:51, 15 November 2020 (EST)
::::Trump has a lot of energy (I think he might have ADHD). He is like the energy bunny. Barring circulatory problems such as a stroke or heart attack, Trump will run again in 2024.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:56, 15 November 2020 (EST)

== Continuous loading problems ==

CP continues to have loading problems. Often I'm trying to edit the House elections page, and after some updates, the site won't load for a few minutes. This type of issue happens over and over, and it drains my time. When will this be resolved? I really like editing here, though I wish the site could be more efficient than it currently is. Thanks! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 23:08, 15 November 2020 (EST)

:I'm suspecting that, like last time, this may be the result of attempted DDOS attacks by leftists who don't want people to see the truth as it comes out. They're becoming increasingly desperate and they wouldn't be acting this way if they didn't have anything to fear. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:12, 16 November 2020 (EST)

::A larger problem with CP right now is that page views don't go up the way it used to, which probably could've been caused by those very server errors currently wasting my time. My page creations months ago such as [[Dan Forest|this]], [[Mike Bishop|this]], [[Bruce Poliquin|this]], and [[Abigail Spanberger|this]] all quickly got very high numbers despite very few revisions for them. If those leftists were trying to block off people from seeing the truth we're putting out, especially with updates related to the presidential, Senate, and House elections, they might've partially succeeded. Based off [[Special:Statistics|here]], it seems that total page views are going up steadily, though I don't know what pages account for that, though [[Drudge Report alternatives|this]] seems like one of them. However, ever since those series of annoying problems in August, CP's page view numbers for new page creations has dwindled over time. Now, one of my observations is that CP eliminated the www. from its URL, which may or may not have an impact. Another thing I noticed is that much of the page views could've simply been siphoned off to [[403.shtml|here]] due to those 403.shtml errors popping up. Right now, I just hope Andy can fix those loading problems soon, as I often am trying to update the [[2020 U.S. House elections]] page and find out three seconds later that the page won't load. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 21:29, 16 November 2020 (EST)

::Aaand we just got DDOSed for a day. Wow. Leftists are p*ssed. [[User:Sievert 81|Sievert 81]] ([[User talk:Sievert 81|talk]]) 19:07, 17 November 2020 (EST)

== Conceding an election: Carter versus Trump ==

Fer nearly two weeks, the media has been whining about Trump's failure to concede gracefully. Okay, I guess he should. But what Democrat has ever conceded gracefully? The ''New York Times'' is still running articles that accuse Nixon of stealing the 1968 election from Humphrey by communicating with the South Vietnamese president. In 2016, Hillary's campaign wanted the Electoral College briefed on Trump's supposed treason with the Russians. Were they supposed to undo the popular vote? Meanwhile, Carter's former aides are fighting for vindication by accusing Reagan of conspiring with the ayatollahs. Here is Anne Coulter, brillant as usual: "[https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2020/11/18/gee-why-cant-trump-accept-defeat-like-the-democrats-n2580328 Gee, Why Can't Trump Accept Defeat Like the Democrats?]" [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 08:29, 19 November 2020 (EST)

:Given the circumstances of this election, it's obvious that there was unprecedented fraud in favor of Biden. Also, Ann Coulter hasn't been on the right side of the issues every time; [https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/ann-coulter-says-trump-deserves-to-lose-will-vote-for-him-anyway remember when she said Trump "deserved" to lose]? The lack of progress in reaching some goals in border security had nearly all to do with the Trump agenda blocked by the courts, so blaming it on Trump was rather unfair and ridiculous. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Thursday, 08:38, 19 November 2020 (EST)

::[https://imgur.com/g7iOP5l Here] is a 1988 ''Playboy'' cover promoting the "October surprise" theory of the 1980 election that I thought was pretty funny. ("Mom, I just got it for the crazy conspiracy theory! Honest!")
::Trump's political career was both created and undone by ''Celebrity Apprentice'' and CNN, with Jeff Zucker presiding over both. Biden could be our most anti-Christian president ever, a Christian-bashing Catholic backed up by a Marxist pope and a Catholic-hating veep. Obama was elected as a Christian and shifted to Christian-bashing toward the end of his first term. We had five unitarian presidents, namely Jefferson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Filmore, and Taft. Perhaps Pence can bring us back to Nicene-creed orthodoxy.
::Liberals remain hysterical about whatever Trump happens to be doing. ''[https://www.huffpost.com/entry/republicans-trump-2020-election-democracy_n_5fb6fefec5b618e45b469b6b?ul HuffPost]'' is accusing him of "undermining democracy." Stacy Abrams lost the 2018 Georgia governor's race by 50 to 49 point margin. Ever since, she has been accusing Republicans of "voter suppression," whatever that means. But she isn't undermining democracy, at least not to according to the liberal media. In fact, they treat Abrams as a hero precisely because of this unsportsmanlike behavior.
::As for Coulter, I think she has been giving Trump good advise. When the rioters took the police station in Minneapolis, she immediately tweeted that Trump should send in the troops. This was certianly a missed opportunity, one of the few Trump had to reset the race in his favor. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 05:29, 20 November 2020 (EST)

== Biden opens the border. What happened to covid? ==

What is the No. 1 policy priority of the incoming Biden administration? Covid? Global warming? Racial justice? No, no, and no. It is increasing the level of immigration in order to create more Democrat voters. With the media in peak covid hysteria, Biden has announced that he is going to let in more illegal immigrants. This is on top of the increase in legal refugees that he told us about last week. Not only will he stop wall construction, but he will also freeze deportations for 100 days. This may be a preliminary to ending deportation altogether. If that's not incentive enough, illegals will get free health care, including the covid vaccine. This is early, specific, action that suggests that Biden prioritizes opening the border over almost every other issue.

Current American citizens are not the constituency that Biden is appealing to. Only 34 percent of Americans want an increase in immigration, according to Gallup's lastest poll of this issue, which was taken on May 28-June 4. The idea of giving illegal immigrants free health care is both hugely unpopular and economically unsustainable. You can think of Bidenism as a reversed image of democracy. The country would be run, not for the benefit its citizens or even its current residents, but for non-citizens who now live outside its boundaries. See "[https://issuesinsights.com/2020/11/20/bidens-covid-mask-slips-when-it-comes-to-illegal-immigration/ Poll: 67% Of Likely Voters Say Illegal Immigration Is A Serious Problem, Most Believe Democrats Don't Want To Stop It]" and "[https://issuesinsights.com/2020/11/20/bidens-covid-mask-slips-when-it-comes-to-illegal-immigration/ Biden’s COVID Plan: Close The Economy, Open The Border]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:29, 20 November 2020 (EST)

== The future of the Republican party ==

Vice President Mike Pence looks awesomely presidential in [https://youtu.be/mJEBgjQIekE this video]. You won't get past a Pence-led Space Force, you filthy Martians! [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:34, 22 November 2020 (EST)

== An observation about the Gateway Timeouts ==

The Gateway Timeouts always appear to happen at the same frequency in terms of their occurrence. They seem to show up three times every hour, lasting for five minutes each time then going away for fifteen minutes only to show up again. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Tuesday, 22:52, 23 November 2020 (EST)

== What happened to Matt Drudge? ==

For many years, Matt Drudge was the top source of conservative news. In 2018-2019, his site gradually moved to the left. Nowadays, it is just another news aggregator. Viewship has declined sharply. What kind of business model is that? Perhaps Drudge sold out to some liberal billionaire. But who, when, and why? [https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/matt-drudge-logs-off This story] follows the rabbit hole as far down as it goes. In the summer on 2019, Drudge switched the site's advertising account to a company owned by Margaret Otto. She lives in Mountain View, California and is the wife of Adrian Otto, an executive at Google. The pair has been managing server traffic for the Drudge Report since at least 2005.

The writer didn't come up with anyone beside the Ottos who is directly connected to the site: no interns, no editors, no sign of what happened to Drudge himself. It seems that everything is automated. Drudge Report is in the process of the being transformed into a scam site. Since August, it has been running "hidden ads" they charge the advertiser for, but that don't actually appear on the site. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:08, 26 November 2020 (EST)

== Happy Thanksgiving! ==

Happy Thanksgiving, and THANK YOU to all the dedicated, hardworking editors on CP here! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Friday, 22:57, 26 November 2020 (EST)

== Saxon math ==

In a Biden presidency, the teacher's unions will be in driver's seat when it comes to education policy. So we can expect a lot more "anti-racist education." Pretty much every Democrat, including Biden himself, has called Trump a racist. Calling Trump supporters racists is common as well. Biden calls us "uglies" and "chumps." In short, "anti-racist" really means anti-American. A lot of parents may soon give homeschooling another look.

''[https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/k12_why_john_saxon_is_the_brightest_star_in_math_education.html American Thinker]'' has an enthusiastic report on Saxon math, a popular sequence of homeschooling classes. Saxon got a frontpage ''National Review'' story back in the 1980s. ''AT'' recommends the pre-2007 editions. On Amazon, I didn't find later editions for sale, aside from a couple of workbooks. The ''[https://nypost.com/2020/03/16/how-to-home-school-your-kids-like-a-pro-during-coronavirus-quarantine/ New York Post]'' also recommends Saxon. [https://www.hillsdale.net/news/20180726/students-to-get-new-math-texbooks Here] is a story about a school that switched from Saxon to another brand. The teachers complained that Saxon is repetitious. But is that really a flaw? The teacher can always adjust the pace and not every student needs to cover every problem. [https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED365728 Here] is a 1993 study that found that the Saxon method was effective. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 09:05, 27 November 2020 (EST)

== New topic: Trump Victory ==

How are you all feeling about Trump's likelihood of being named victor in the presidential election? His team's lawsuits don't seem to have had any positive results. I'm starting to lose faith that he'll be awarded a second term by the Electoral College. --[[User:IScott|IScott]] ([[User talk:IScott|talk]]) 18:14, 4 December 2020 (EST)

:The more illegal vote fraud committed by the Democrats that gets exposed (and more and more of it is getting exposed day by day), the less and less likely it is that the Democrats will be able to retain any semblance of power, much less get Biden into the White House. Not only is Trump getting his second term (as, by all rights, Biden basically legally forfeited the election the moment it was discovered that the Democrats illegally cheated on his behalf), but it's a given that there will be massive fallout from this as he invokes EO 13848 (regarding illegal foreign interference in a United States election), which would allow the Trump administration to legally seize the assets of companies (including Facebook, Twitter and Google/YouTube) and individuals (which could even include members of the liberal media) that were complicit (whether by aiding or covering up) in said foreign interference. This may very well also lead to the end of the Democrat Party as many of its members, along with their operatives, end up going to prison and face military tribunals for electoral fraud, sedition, insurrection (with intent of violently overthrowing the duly elected US Government) and many other crimes - and in the case of Democrats who committed treason (and there are quite a few of them), they would potentially face execution for that crime. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 18:47, 4 December 2020 (EST)

::Wait, we can contact the Trump Campaign and show Conservapedia sources the necessary evidence. --[[User:United States|United States]] ([[User talk:United States|talk]]) 18:48, 4 December 2020 (EST)
:::The Secretary of State for California certified for Biden today.[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-04/biden-clinches-electoral-college-win-as-california-certifies] That gives the Democrats a certified majority in the Electoral College. So it is no longer possible for election fraud lawsuits to overturn the election. I suppose we could go the Hillary Clinton route and demand that the Electoral College be briefed on Hunter's corruption and how Joe is a treasonous stooge of China, or at least was for many years. In July, the Supreme Court affirmed unanimously that state laws binding electors are valid.[https://nypost.com/2020/07/06/scotus-presidential-electors-must-pick-their-states-popular-vote-winner/] Thirty-two states have laws of this kind. The governors count the electors's votes. They can presumably disregard votes of the kind that SCOTUS has now ruled illegal. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 10:26, 5 December 2020 (EST)
::::California is just very Democrat, how about the toss-ups? --'''United States''' 11:08, 5 December 2020 (EST)
:::::[https://www.270towin.com/maps/2020-election-certification-status Here] is the certification site. Only Missouri and New Jersey remain uncertified at this point. Trump can't win without Pennsylvania. The U.S. Third Circuit upheld Pennsylvania's certification on November 27, so the legal options seem to have run out there. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:13, 5 December 2020 (EST)

::::::That looks absolutely bogus to me (and may, in fact, be one of numerous psy-ops ploys being employed by the Left to try to demoralize and discourage our side) and I'm not about to buy it, especially considering that Trump still has other avenues to go to get the illegal Democrat vote fraud overturned in the swing states and elsewhere. In addition to him invoking EO 13848, if the SCOTUS is intimidated by the criminals in the Democrat Party to not rule as they should and declare the election in Trump's favor (which he rightfully won anyway, as all votes that came in ''after'' the closing of polls at 8:00 p.m. local time are invalid and don't count under federal election rules), then he'll have no choice but to invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807 against the Democrats, their operatives and their brownshirts to deep-six their illegal coup (which the vote fraud they're committing is a part of). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 13:54, 5 December 2020 (EST)
:::::::Various states encouraged non-citizens to vote, notably California. But these states tend to be "deep blue" anyway. So this type of fraud would effect the popular vote more than the Electoral College vote. Every state should require voter ID. Whether fraud is an issue or not, it would make people take the process of voting more seriously.

:::::::The latest is that the Dems are calling for Trump's lawyers to be sanctioned. What about Gore's lawyers, who pushed the "hand recount" nonsense back in 2000? There was no basis in Florida law for counting votes by hand. Furthermore, there is no reason to think that this method is more accurate than a machine count. Ron Klain, who headed Gore's recount effort, is now White House chief of staff. In short, there is no shame in trying to cheat your way to victory if you are a Democrat. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:03, 5 December 2020 (EST)

::::::::The thing with that is, though, those who were witnesses first-hand to the vote fraud as they took part in it are now starting to feel shame and are speaking out against it due to the reawakening of their consciences. The more hardcore "true believer" Democrats may not feel that way now, but they're going to have their "come to Jesus" moment the moment arrests for vote fraud (and related crimes) start being made. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 13:15, 6 December 2020 (EST)

:::::::::Also, Biden again defended China. That just gives me a headache. --[[User:United States|United States]] ([[User talk:United States|talk]]) 13:15, 6 December 2020 (EST)

== Will fraud allegations keep Republicans from the Georgia polls? ==

The Russia collusion hoax went on for years. Hillary could spend $2 billion on her campaign and millions voted. But up against Russian bots and $100,000 worth of ridiculous Facebook ads, she didn't have a chance. I don't recall that the media ever worried about the sanity of people who believed such nonsense.

When Mueller finally testified, it turned out that the man was an empty shell, or at any rate a guy with better things to do than read the Mueller Report or worry about whether Russians were colluding with "Trimp," as he called the president. Liberals didn't skip a beat. They moved right along to the Ukraine phone call issue. Why can't Trump ask anyone he likes to investigate Biden? Running for president certainly didn't give Trump any kind of immunity.

That's why it's so thoughtful of the media to be concerned that Georgia Republicans will become so discombobulated by the allegations of fraud in the presidential election that they will neglect to vote in the all-important Senate runoffs on January 5. See "[https://www.ajc.com/politics/faith-shaken-in-system-trumps-georgia-supporters-consider-skipping-us-senate-runoffs/4KPPDIUSVBEFZD6OTTPGUAQ2SE/ Faith shaken in system, Trump’s Georgia supporters consider skipping U.S. Senate runoffs]." The headline may sound like parody, but this article is the real deal. Apparently, there was a townhall where attendees asked the state Republican chairwoman why Republicans should invest time or money in the runoffs. What do want to bet those people were Democrats? [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:50, 6 December 2020 (EST)
:Rumor is, Durham has expanded his probe to include election fraud. Durham was appointed as special counsel in October. Special Counsels must be appointed from outside government. THis means Durham must have privately retired as a US Attorney at some point. Is firing a Special Counsel an impeachable offense? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:37, 6 December 2020 (EST)
::Patrick Fitzgerald, special counsel in the Plame case, was also a serving U.S. attorney. He was appointed by Comey, who had "full power of the attorney general." The regulations were issued by the attorney general, so the AG can override them. Every special counsel appointment has been irregular in one way or another. Special counsels are supposed to investigate crimes, but communicating with Russians isn't a crime. That didn't slow Mueller down. Unlike Comey, Rosenstien did not the have the full power of the AG. He got around the regulation by appointing Mueller as a "special assistant." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:06, 7 December 2020 (EST)

== Attention Hong Kong burglers: Carrie Lam's house is full of cash ==

Hong Kong is a major banking center, but the banks are too afraid of U.S. sanctions to let Chief Executive Carrie Lam open an account: "[https://www.businessinsider.com/hk-leader-doesnt-have-bank-account-because-of-us-sanctions-2020-11 Hong Kong's leader is being paid in cash due to US sanctions. Carrie Lam earns $56,000 a month and says money is piling up at her house]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:19, 7 December 2020 (EST)

== Attempted murder of election fraud witness ==

On the main page, there is a headline on the "In the News" column that claims to link to an article with a video of an apparent attempted murder of an election fraud witness. However, on that very same article, an editor's note claims that it is not an attempted hit on a fraud witness. I think this headline should be removed from the main page as soon as possible, to ensure that Conservapedia maintains its credibility. --[[User:Toby Chester|Toby Chester]] ([[User talk:Toby Chester|talk]]) 06:17, 9 December 2020 (EST)

== History of Conservapedia ==

I was looking at the [https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/conservapedia.com Alexa ranking] and statistics on this site and as I noticed the 'similar sites by audience overlap' statistic. I thought to myself, "I wonder if there are other good conservative sites out there," thinking that this would lead me to them. I was mistaken for one. When I saw 'Rationalwiki.org', I thought it would be another good conservative site like this one, hence 'rational', but it's swarming with liberals. I was a little annoyed at first, but some of their content funny, just because it's so wrong. As I was browsing the site, I came upon Conservapedia's article. Evidently, they have an extensive network of (mis)information about this site. If the liberals are going to write our history, I think the admins should create a page on this site detailing the history of Conservapedia from a conservative point of view. -[[User:Mark Adams|Mark Adams]][[User Talk:MAdams|(Discuss with me) ]] 10:33, 18 January 2021 (EST)

==RfC==
I propose we establish a Conservapedia Project page for dispute resolution and editors to air their grievances against other editors, rather than clog up Andy's talk page. I propose we call it [[Conservapedia:Kangeroo Court]], unless somebody has a better name. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:32, 31 January 2021 (EST)
:Hmm, good idea. After all, then Andy won't have to deal with notifications about users posting on his talk page on arguments he appears to take no interest in involving himself in. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 12:25, 1 February 2021 (EST)
::If Andy wants to get involved in one of these peeing contests, there's nothing stopping him. This would encourage users to resolvd problems among themselves. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 14:15, 1 February 2021 (EST)

:::I think we should just stick to keeping Conservapedia simple. Having dispute resolution pages can end up being a mess, like it is on Wikipedia. [[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 21:05, 1 February 2021 (EST)

::::Every dispute doesn't' have to be resolved. The idea now is simply to keep trolls off Andy's talk page and give editors a place to air grievances, which may or may not be legit. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:17, 1 February 2021 (EST)
:::::You're starting again with the false accusations, Rob. You should've left well enough alone when Karajou removed this section and took that for the signal he was sending you, but now you're making like the proverbial "dog with a bone" that just won't drop it and let it go (especially now with your attempts to appeal to other editors here). [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:27, 1 February 2021 (EST)
::::::You're only continuing to prove my point (and Karajou's point) every time you do this, Rob. Ever since you decided to go rogue and bend a knee to the Biden regime with that post on my talk page falsely accusing me of "trolling" while leaving a link to that DHS note (which appears to have been the moment that you snapped), you've been getting progressively worse. The only reason you put that warning template up to hide what I have to say is because you don't like what I have to say, and only liberals resort to that kind of censorship for similar such reasons - and every time you do this, you only further prove that point. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 21:46, 1 February 2021 (EST)
:::The Kangaroo Court will reduce the incidence of divisive flame wars, giving aggrieved parties a place to vent their <s>spleens</s> differences. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 00:08, 2 February 2021 (EST)
No one is going to post on a forum with a title like the one proposed. This page is as good a place as any for the "Why is RobSmith so mean?" discussion. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 00:28, 2 February 2021 (EST)
:The objective is to establish a process where editors know they will be heard. Right now, Andy's talk page is the first and last resort for complaints and disputes. Some (probably if not most) are too trivial to deal with, which Andy doesn't have time to deal with. This leaves some editors frustrated for not getting resolution to their problems.
:A Kangaroo court will give all editors a chance to present their case with evidence before objective viewers. The viewers can then reject it without merit, or possibly render a decision one or both parties. The decision of course is without any enforcement mechanism, and blocking editors can cite as a second offense if the user doesn't mend their ways. Andy of course would be the Final Court of Appeal, but only after the Kangaroo Court rendered a decision.
:Sysops would be the only group of editors with direct access to making a complaint against a Sysop on Andy's talk page, by-passing the Kangaroo Court, and eliminating the frivolous cases we've seen in the past. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 01:04, 2 February 2021 (EST)
:I'd like to let this drop and move on, but RobS is clearly unwilling to and he's letting it affect both his judgement and his ability to do his job. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 00:45, 2 February 2021 (EST)
Nothing wrong with this "Kangaroo Court" idea. Except the name, and that name would be a deal-killer. I don't like to copy names from other projects. But maybe "Board of Arbitration" would fit better.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 08:06, 2 February 2021 (EST)
:Or "Consultative Assembly" or anything would do. There just ought to be a process where people know they will be heard, no matter how valid or ridiculous a complaint might be, rather than chaos, helplessness, and frustration some users now feel. I just want to get the ball rolling on some ideas to kick around. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 08:55, 2 February 2021 (EST)

I don't think its a bad idea, but is Rob calling for this or is Andy calling for it? It is said that this would clean up Andy's talk page, but I don't see Andy saying that. Do we have enough regular editors to necessitate an Arbitration committee? As noted above by another user, it can get messy over at Wikipedia. What is the problem being solved with this, is there a rash of users being banned who are legitimate users? (not trolls or deviants of some kind) [[User:Progressingamerica|Progressingamerica]] ([[User talk:Progressingamerica|talk]]) 22:53, 2 February 2021 (EST)
*What the heck is this, an “HCM” on Conservapedia? I vote NO! to this, simply because one of the founding principles of our wiki is that it is to be a meritocracy, not a mobocracy like Wikipedia or the Rat-Tard nest. With all due respect, RobS was just recently banned from the Rat-Tard nest, and appears to miss it enough to want to institute a page like their “chicken coop” here. This is not the first of his Ratdiculous suggestions; I recall he once wanted to have a “vandal bin” like they have. The Ratdiculous way of doing things has failed over there, causing the Rats to adopt policies more like Wikipedia’s and even our’s, so why in the world would we want to bring that here? [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 11:55, 3 February 2021 (EST)
::::::::::As a newbie to Conservapedia, there are references that I do not know. What is the "Ratdiculous" "Rat-Tard nest"? -- --[[User:CharlesShirley|CharlesShirley]] ([[User talk:CharlesShirley|talk]]) 18:00, 4 February 2021 (EST)
:::::::::::It is a reference to a group of trolls and other weird people who run an online forum. All you need to know is that several of them are banned from Conservapedia, at least three of them are indefinitely banned from ''Wikipedia'', and that we do not link to them on this site as it is NSFW/S. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 22:19, 4 February 2021 (EST)
::::::::::::::[[User:DMorris|DMorris]], thank you for the background information. -- --[[User:CharlesShirley|CharlesShirley]] ([[User talk:CharlesShirley|talk]]) 12:12, 5 February 2021 (EST)
::::::::::::Can you give the name of the site (assuming of course it isn't RationalWiki)? Just want to have a clear idea since, while I have worked on this site since the early 2010s, this is the first I've ever heard of this site you alluded to. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 05:56, 5 February 2021 (EST)
:::::::::::::It's RW, alright. We just choose to avoid mentioning that name here to avoid giving them undeserved attention. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 06:01, 5 February 2021 (EST)
::::::::::::::Ah, alright, then. I heard of that site a little while back, but not quite in that context. And if it is true that RobS actually tried to turn this site into another RW, that makes his behavior even MORE shameful, including calling me and Northwest RW trolls despite my at the very least not setting foot onto that site even once (well, okay, I did stumble upon ONE article on there, for KiwiLinks, when trying to hunt down any comments on that site after discovering I was the butt of some jokes there, but I never edited that article, and I certainly never joined, let alone acted on their behalf.). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:03, 5 February 2021 (EST)

::Although the name "Kangaroo Court" is not a good name, it would be a good idea to resolve disputes without getting Andy involved if he doesn't need to get involved. In other words, it would lift unnecessary burdens on Andy in terms of his talk page.

::I suggest calling the court "Conservapedia Court".

::Two definitions of a Kangaroo court are: "1) a mock court in which the principles of law and justice are disregarded or perverted 2) a court characterized by irresponsible, unauthorized, or irregular status or procedures."[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kangaroo%20court] So this would be a bad name for the court.

::If things are not resolved via the "Conservapedia Court", then an appeal can eventually be made to Andy if a Sysop or Sysops fail to resolve the matter. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:08, 3 February 2021 (EST)

:::Right. It wouldn't have any power to enforce anything, it's just a place where an editor who thinks he has a problem can go and complain about somebody. If the case has merit, other editors can look at the context and make a finding of fact. This would keep the trolls off Andy's page. If it's something he wants to get involved in, he can look at the findings. Right now we just have trolls and whispering campaigns. This is not healthy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 13:25, 3 February 2021 (EST)

Any dispute should be resolved peacefully, but never through a [[kangaroo court]] or anything remotely similar, and certainly not via the intrigues and machinations of a power-mad individual (RobS) who caused this problem in the first place. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 04:30, 5 February 2021 (EST)

==Eulogy==

Many eulogies are for people who are still alive. Aristotle called this speaking epideicticly. I don't know what I'm talking about.

All who know me know what a positive person I am, having admired Trump, but I am still learning. In that spirit, allow me to eulogize my favorite same-sex-loving person, Christopher Ciccone.

I was just looking at my 1985 high school yearbook. The four years of classes voted Madonna (Ciccone) "Best female vocalist". Most every girl in those classes was out of my league at the time, so I guess I have to admit they knew more than me about some things. Anyway, it turns out Christopher claimed he designed Madonna's looks. People say her singing wasn't that great despite being the vocalist on a number of good songs, so her looks probably were a significant part of her appeal, and Christopher would deserve a lot of credit for her success.

Christopher became a well-respected interior designer and designed Madonna's beautiful and exquisitely tasteful mansion when she was rich and famous. And when she turned on him, he wrote a book about her that was fair about her trying to improve her sympathy towards her male companions, but still proved she was disloyal to people, said he nearly threw a punch at her pretty-boy newlywed husband for patronizing him and walked out of her life when she wouldn't stop doing to him all the things caused by what people have come to dislike about her. What's not to love about Christopher Ciccone? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 07:16, 7 February 2021 (EST)

==Commentary on the foregoing==

You'll notice I used the word "love" in what could be taken in two different senses. This is a portal for communication among encyclopedia writers, so I think the writers who profess such ability should be able to handle this much ambiguity. If they think otherwise, I might mention it would be just as much their fault as mine for not seeing that as something upon which to be remarked.

People can use the word "love" in numerous ways and end in ambiguity and indeed contradiction. If you pay attention, you'll realize in one sense "love" can be Divine, in another ungodly. In one sense: fruits of the spirit (Isaiah 11)!; in another: sterility. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 06:18, 12 February 2021 (EST)

== Main page news ==

Hello everybody there are important news I want share on main page. how can I introduce news? --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 21:15, 16 February 2021 (EST)
:You can put it on [[User_talk:Aschlafly]] or [[User_talk:TerryH]]. At least in theory, [[Talk:Main_Page]] is the page for this purpose. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 12:29, 17 February 2021 (EST)

== Photo upload ==

Hello, I want to know how I can upload photo file here? --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 19:11, 10 March 2021 (EST)
:Hi, you can post specific requests here: [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] ([[CP:IUR]]).
:Ideally, please find images which are either in the [[public domain]], or under [[Creative Commons]] licenses. If you need any assistance, have questions, or need ideas on where to look, let me know. --[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:51, 10 March 2021 (EST)

== New Project Started ==

Hello Conservapedia editors! Yesterday I started [[Conservapedia:Project Current Events]] and I just wanted to invite anyone that wants to help out on the Project. The idea is similar to Wikipedia’s “Current Event WikiProject”, which I am the lead coordinator of, so hopefully Conservapedia can stay up to date on major current events. One such event that Wikipedia is barely talking about is [[45 Office]], which Donald Trump created yesterday. Because of my status on Wikipedia, I know a lot of the behind the scenes things, so hopefully I can grow Conservapedia just as much as I did Wikipedia. Feel free to join the Project. --[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 12:17, 30 March 2021 (EDT)

== Discussion for a possible new Wikipedia Article ==

Should a new article be started for discussions on Wikipedia that have major effects? (An example of one is [[Elijahandskip#Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory article]]). Or, should the discussion details be added to [[Wikipedia]] or [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia]]. I don't really know if they should go in the examples of bias article, because some aren't really a "bias" per say, but have extreme lasting effects on Wikipedia. Also, if you think a new article, what would the articles title be? --[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 18:07, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
:My recommendation would be to create the page on WP's Ukraine conspiracy theory article if you have enough to make it not a just stub, and put a link to it from the Bias in WP portal to it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:13, 14 May 2021 (EDT)
::Well I wasn't just thinking about that discussion in general. I have been a part of tons of 'major' discussion on Wikipedia. One also involved Wikipedia removing information about US Governor Impeachment efforts (Both Republican and Democratic governor impeachment efforts). I also participated and know the history of a discussion where Wikipedia was about to say the assassination of an Italian Diplomat was no notable for Wikipedia. I would be perfectly fine creating an article just for that discussion, but what about the other discussions that had controversy on Wikipedia? --[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 18:17, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

User talk:RobSmith

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[[File:Graph (1).png|right|500px|thumb|]]
February 3, 2020 - September 30, 2020 - '''145,228''' page impressions per day.

November 3, 2020 - Election day.
:hypestat: '''33K''' visitors and '''206,000''' page impressions per day.

November 23, 2020 - DDoS attack

'''December 29, 2020''' - started keeping records in Slack.
Country Alexa Rank
United States '''#63,303'''
:hypestat: '''27.1K''' visitors and 67,786 page impressions per day.

January 2021 - Similiarweb data [https://www.similarweb.com/website/conservapedia.com/]
United States '''#31,638'''

'''February 1, 2021''' - throughout Capitol riot and impeachment.
United States '''#33,508'''

February 3, 2021 - Rob's de-sysoping.

February 11, 2021
:hypestat: '''24.7K''' daily visitors Daily Pageviews 61,624.

February 13, 2021 - Last Google cache until March 25, 2021

February 15, 2021
United States #36,617

February 16, 2021
:hypestat: '''23.7K''' visitors and 56,793 page impressions per day.

February 17, 2021
United States #40,319

February 19, 2021
United States #45,529

February 23, 2021
United States #50,091

February 24, 2021
United States #58,914

February 28, 2021
United States #61,140

March 1, 2021
United States #72,355

March 2, 2021
United States #81,250

March 3, 2021
United States #87,177

March 4, 2021
United States #94,183
:hypestat: '''21.2K''' visitors and 52,997 page impressions per day

March 5, 2021
:hypestat: '''20.7K''' visitors and 51,764 page impressions per day

March 6, 2021
United States #99,248

March 7, 2021
United States #109,993
:'''#158,631''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days

March 8, 2021
United States '''#120,617'''

March 30, 2021
:hypestat: 20.7K visitors and '''49,694''' page impressions per day
:2.4 Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:2:27 Daily Time on Site
:Traffic Sources Past 30 Days 24% Search

April 2, 2021
:2.3 Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:2:24 Daily Time on Site

April 4, 2021
:2:14 Daily Time on Site

April 5, 2021 - RobSmith blocked until April 12, 2021

April 11, 2021
:'''172,231''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:'''2:12''' Daily Time on Site
:hypestat: '''19.2K''' visitors and 44,221 page impressions per day
:new lows

April 12, 2021
:'''173,873''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:'''2.2''' Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:news lows

April 13, 2021
:'''175,407''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:hypestat: '''18.7K''' visitors and '''41,214''' page impressions per day
:new lows

Restored - welcome back.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:14, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
:Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 15:49, 18 April 2021 (EDT)

April 23, 2021
:'''130,885''' In global internet traffic and engagement over the past 90 days
:United States '''#34,760'''
:'''6.3''' Daily Pageviews per Visitor
:'''7:08''' Daily Time on Site
:hypestate: '''19.7K''' visitors and '''120,290''' page impressions per day.
:Estimated value of Conservapedia.com is $976,213.61
:near term highs

:Karajou reinstated

April 24, 2021
United States '''#29,655'''
:new near term high

May 2, 2021
:hypestat: '''17.7K''' visitors and '''177,477''' page impressions per day.
:Monthly Visits (SEMrush): 169,321
:Monthly Unique Visitors (SEMrush): 124,005
:Monthly Visits (SimilarWeb): 366,059
:Daily Unique Visitors: 17,748
:daily visitors down 2,000

May 4, 2021
:hypestat: '''17.3K''' visitors and 258,821 page impressions per day.
:loss of another 400 viewers.
:Analysis: the trolls have the Alexa App - which gathers the information Alexa uses - installed on their browsers and leave open pages on their browser 24 hours a day while they do reconnaissance on which pages to target, in addition to their routine trolling. This distorts Time on site and Page views per visitor stats, with a direct impact on Alexa ranking stats.

{{clear}}
== Hey, Rob. ==

Where can I find the inactive template? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayoise the editor]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 20:40, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:Copy paste it from here. [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:RobSmith&action=edit] Incidentally, I reviewed both your stub about the Welsh guy and the WP article, and didn't see any "copying" from Wikipedia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]
:Unless of course you call reporting historical facts "copying". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:03, 4 March 2021 (EST)

== Another question. ==

Have you ever heard of everipedia? --[[User:Yeschayi|Builder]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 21:11, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:Sounds vaguely familiar. What is it? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:13, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:It’s similar to Wikipedia. It basically ported Wikipedia’s articles over. --[[User:Yeschayi|Builder]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 21:14, 4 March 2021 (EST)
::Sounds interesting They're ranked 26,000 globally and 8,000 domestically. [https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/everipedia.org] They eventually are concerned about their rank, competitiveness, and readership. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 21:31, 4 March 2021 (EST)
:::Does this article look bad for a start? https://conservapedia.com/Battle_of_Stamford_Bridge
::::No. It doesn't look anymore copied from Wikipedia any more than Conservapedia copied the idea of a source of knowledge from Wikipedia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 22:02, 4 March 2021 (EST)
::::So much for quitting eh Rob?--[[User:Mercian12|Mercian12]] ([[User talk:Mercian12|talk]]) 19:44, 12 March 2021 (EST)
:::::I'm looking for a few doggie biscuits. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:47, 12 March 2021 (EST)

== Greetings RobS, how are you doing? ==

Hello, Rob. I'm back. Hope you've been well. Thanks for all your efforts and hard work in making Conservapedia the great place that it is. I wonder if you've seen the recent Gordon Cromwell Report on the Status of Global Christianity 2021? I'm praying and working for Global Christianity to reach 3 Billion Souls - wow, how pleasing that would be to the Lord Jesus - by 2030. Please work with me and may all Christians unite for Christendom's sake!

In Our Lord Jesus,
Nishant X. God Bless.

:Thank you. Good to see you. Hope you've been well. Did you know that 20% of all CP traffic right now is coming from India? Your timing of a comeback couldn't have been better. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 23:57, 21 March 2021 (EDT)

:Welcome back NishantXavier! —[[User:Liberaltears|<code>'''LT'''</code>]]'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!]]''''' Monday, 00:06, 22 March 2021 (EDT)

Great to know, Rob! India is going to rise to internet prominence in the next decade, with an estimated 1 billion internet users by 2025! https://www.analyticsinsight.net/india-estimated-to-reach-1-billion-internet-users-by-2025/ Thanks for all your great efforts in promoting Conservapedia! Together, we can reach the world, your country, the great USA, my country, my beloved India, for the Gospel, and the Conservative Cause!

I pray Our Lord Jesus will richly bless you and reward you for your good efforts in contributing to the Cause, in this life and the next. God Bless.

Edit: Thanks, LT. You're the reason I returned. Thanks for emailing me to remind me. Thanks for all your great work in promoting Conservapedia too![[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 00:09, 22 March 2021 (EDT)

Hi Rob. Please see if you can contribute to this article: https://conservapedia.com/Debate:_Will_Christianity_reach_3_billion_adherents_by_2030 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]][[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]] 04:35, 26 March 2021 (EDT)

== My update to the civility guideliness ==

Andy approved my addition to the civility portion of the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|Conservapedia guidelines]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:33, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

:This is the update I created: "For content disputes, be reasonable and make every effort to use an article's talk page to have a cordial and constructive dialogue. Stick to the facts in content disputes and back up your facts with a source or sources. If you are proposing alternative content in a content dispute, it must be sourced. Do not engage in personal attacks. Avoid bringing up irrelevant past disputes with editors and stick to the content dispute at hand. If you have a content dispute with another editor, do not immediately post to the other editor's personal talk page. The article talk pages is where the vast majority of discussion should take place. Avoid unnecessary content disputes by sourcing your article content."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:34, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

== RobS and Northwest content disputes involving historical matters ==

I see a lot of disputes between RobS and NorthWest involving historical disputes. Below I give some great rules of weighing historical evidence.

=== Recommendations related to historical claims made by this article and information related to historiography ===

*[http://amorebeautifulquestion.com/historians-view-of-questioning/ Some keen insights from Pulitzer Prize–winner David Hackett Fischer]

*[http://historiansgaze.blogspot.com/2013/09/history-1701-reading-for-week-two.html Introduction to history]

*[http://historiansgaze.blogspot.com/2009/10/7-habits-of-highly-effective-historians.html 7 habits of highly effective historians]

"Fischer, David Hackett, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper Collins, 1970). In only approximately 300 pages, Fischer surveys an immense amount of background historical literature to point out a comprehensive variety of analytical errors that many, if not most, historians commit. Fischer points out specific examples of faulty or sloppy reasoning in the work of even the most prominent historians, making it a useful book for beginning students of history. While this book presumably did not make Fischer popular with many of his peers, it should be noted that his contributions as a historian have not been limited simply to criticizing the work of others; since 1976, he has published a number of well-received books on other historical topics."[http://history.nasa.gov/thinking/hist-4.html]

==== Fischer's 7 habits of sound historiography ====

Fischer's 7 rules for historians taken from [[Josh McDowell]]'s book The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict:

(1) The burden of proof for a historical claim is always upon the one making the assertion.

(2) Historical evidence must be an answer to the question asked and not to any other question.

(3) "An historian must not merely provide good evidence, but the best evidence. And the best evidence, all other things being equal, is the evidence which is most nearly immediate to the event itself."

(4) Evidence must always be affirmative. Negative evidence is no evidence at all. In other words, Fischer is saying that an absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.

(5) The meaning of any historical evidence is dependent upon the context from which it is obtained from.

(6) "An empirical statement must not be more precise than its evidence warrants."

(7) "All inferences from historical evidence are probabilistic."

Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict, page 674, 1999, Mark MCGarry, Texas Type and Book Works, Dallas, TX, ISBN 0-7852-4219-8)

=== Fischer's 6 principles of question framing for historical investigations ===

*[https://sites.google.com/site/historiography101fischer/ Fischer's 6 principles of question framing] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:11, 9 May 2019 (EDT)

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:48, 31 March 2021 (EDT)

== Black Lives Matter / Stacey Abrams / Noah Green ==

What was the idea of undoing [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Black_Lives_Matter&curid=138053&diff=1741707&oldid=1741699 my edits] in the [[Black Lives Matter]] article, which I intended to clean up part of the article (including replacing liberal-preferred terms with more appropriate ones) and add info? Also regarding [https://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Stacey_Abrams&curid=152713&diff=1741677&oldid=1717133 the edit you pointed out] in the Stacey Abrams article, I didn't miss it because it was accurate and sourced and it didn't need to be dealt with. In the [[Noah Green]] article, I also replaced the New York Times and Mediaite links with one from TGP because [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages#Partisanship of Sources|per CP's guidelines, liberal news sources (such as the NYT and Mediaite) are not trustworthy due to their partisan bias and penchant for blatantly lying to suit the liberal narrative]]. Are you just trying to stir up trouble again because I'm actually trying to get articles cleaned up? [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 03:10, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

:I just reviewed the CP Guidelines page you linked to, and nowhere on that page does the phrase "liberal news sources" appear, let alone your specific parenthetical inclusions. Nice try. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 19:34, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

== Re: Your recent post on my talk page ==

In case you didn't get the memo, Islam is not a "race", and making such a false accusation (as well as falsely accusing me of "trolling") is not only a case of you doing the trolling yourself (and trying to start yet another fight), but by making it about race when it has nothing to do with such (which [[liberalism and racism|only liberals do]]), you're displaying racism yourself. Tread lightly. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 10:04, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

:Full disclosure: here is the text of an email I just sent to Andy.
{{quotebox|"I have just cause to be angry about User: Northwest's racist trolling. RobSmith edits under his real life identity. In an effort to find neutral language for the birther movement, I am the Admin who reverted Northwest's racist trolling and put in "said to be born in Honolulu" (as cited by Eugene Robinson of WaPo). I cleaned up Northwest's racist trolling in at least a half dozen articles with neutral compromise language. For those efforts, there now is a webpage on the internet calling me a racist and birther, for which I am neither. And Northwest does not edit under his true life identity.

Andy can't be involved in all aspects of CP day-to-day, but had I blocked Northwest for 5 years in 2017 for what on its face looks like subversive racist trolling, Conservapedia would still be in the 30,000 today rather than fighting to remain in top 90,000.

By Andy's actions, trusting and rewarding racists trolls while disciplining good-faith users who risked their own names and reputations, not to mention dedicating their valuable time and lives to the project, makes the notion of CP being a meritocracy a joke. Andy needs to wake up and smell the coffee.}}
I suggest you stop stalking pages I create edit or create, stop harassing other users, and stop making threats and allow Andy to complete his full review. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 10:32, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

:So basically, you lied to Andy and you're lying now on your own talk page (while still trying to make trouble, make false accusations, start fights, play the "victim" and project your own racism and trolling while making your imagined issue about race, even though it actually has nothing to do with race). All you're doing is still making yourself look bad in the process. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 11:40, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

::Why is it you sound more like a program than a thinking human being? Why are all responses programmed ("only liberals call people racists, therefore you are a liberal", "the NYT is liberal, therefore bad, wrong, and evil", etc). If you are not a sockpuppet of Karajou, you likely advanced your CP career by parroting him. Only Karajou is capable of human reason, emotion, and discussion. You are not. You sound like program whose only purpose is to harm the project and sow division. Conservapedia has suffered the likes of your kind in the past. It's nothing new. And don't threaten me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 11:49, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

== I saw Karajou lost his admin. ==

Have you seen yet? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 05:14, 21 April 2021 (EDT)
:Not til now. Looks like a policy shift away from arbitrary blocking and enforcement of site policies. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 05:17, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

== Is his death date known? ==

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Schweter --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 12:28, 21 April 2021 (EDT)
:According to the German wiki, unknown. [https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Schweter] If no body was recovered, he may have disappeared into the Soviet gulag or was executed on the spot after I945. The same fate happened to hundreds of thousands at that time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 12:46, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

== Question. ==

Who can start Conservapedia projects? --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 17:49, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

:Anybody, I guess. Unless a senior Admin tries to kill it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:51, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

::I recently made a proposal for comment at the Community Portal and another Admin hit the SiteAdmin panic button, shut the site down, claimed it was an attempt by Rationalwiki to take over the site, and I got de-sysoped. So honestly, I don't know how to answer your question. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:55, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

== Hey RobS. ==

How are you. --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 16:21, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
:I'm breathing and still have a pulse. But the deep state still has its knee on my neck. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 16:30, 30 April 2021 (EDT)

== Nice Edit! ==
I saw the edit to my contribution on the article [[Democratic Plantation]] regrading Sen. Tim Scott. I concur... [[User:Let us eat lettuce|Let us eat lettuce]] ([[User talk:Let us eat lettuce|talk]]) 21:17, 3 May 2021 (EDT)

== Rob. ==

Are the images on this page able to be used on the person's article (if they have one)?

https://conservapedia.com/Gallery_of_British_Heroes --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 09:54, 8 May 2021 (EDT)
:I don't see why not. We stopped paying rent to them a long time ago. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:34, 8 May 2021 (EDT)

== Re: Conservapedia Guidelines ==

Pointing out your abuses of power and your own incivility, false accusations (i.e. "violation of 90/10", which I did ''not'' do if you'd pay attention to my contributions page) and attacks on me is ''not'' "attacking" - and besides, as the guidelines themselves say, my user page, my castle. And incidentally, you yourself are guilty of incivility, bullying, ridiculing and attacking other users here (per your history), so you have no ground to stand on with your argument. [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 16:45, 10 May 2021 (EDT)

== I need your opinion. ==

How is this article so far?

https://conservapedia.com/Joseph_D._Sayers --[[User:Yeschayi|Yeschayi ~ Talk!]] ([[User talk:Yeschayi|talk]]) 17:49, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

:Well, it's interesting how he went from Birth to fighting in Civil War battles. Perhaps you need more subdivisions or retitle "Birth" as "Early life". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 17:54, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

== New Discussion - Friendly Notice ==

Hey RobSmith. I just wanted to let you know I started a discussion about new content (Maybe a new article for it) about content on Wikipedia. You can see the discussion here: [[Conservapedia:Community Portal#Discussion for a possible new Wikipedia Article]]. I am letting the active editors know about the discussion. Feel free to drop your opinion in it! --[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] ([[User talk:Elijahandskip|talk]]) 18:12, 14 May 2021 (EDT)

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On May 5, 2021, a Mitsubishi MU-2 crashed into a house in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, United States, killing four people.<ref>{{cite web|last=Oshin|first=Olafimihan|date=May 5, 2021|title=Four dead after plane crashes into home in Mississippi|url=https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/551876-four-dead-after-plane-crashes-into-home-in-mississippi|url-status=live|access-date=5 May 2021|publisher=[[The Hill]]}}</ref> The plane had three passengers, and one person was in the house when the plane crashed.<ref>{{cite web|last=Lemos|first=Gregory|last2=Hanna|first2=Jason|date=May 5, 2021|title=Four dead after a small plane crashed into a home in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, officials say|url=https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/05/us/hattiesburg-mississippi-aircraft-crash/index.html|url-status=live|access-date=5 May 2021|publisher=[[CNN]]}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Norman|first=Greg|date=May 5, 2021|title=Mississippi plane crash: 4 dead after small aircraft strikes home|url=https://www.foxnews.com/us/mississippi-plane-crash-4-dead-after-small-aircraft-strikes-home|url-status=live|access-date=5 May 2021|publisher=[[Fox News]]}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|last=Wong|first=Wilson|date=May 5, 2021|title=At least four dead after small plane crashes into Mississippi home|url=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-four-dead-after-small-plane-crashes-mississippi-home-n1266356|url-status=live|access-date=5 May 2021|publisher=[[NBC News]]}}</ref> The [[Federal Aviation Administration|FAA]] and [[National Transportation Safety Board|NTSB]] were called by local police to investigate the crash.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.wdam.com/2021/05/05/two-dead-after-small-plane-crashes-hattiesburg-neighborhood/|title=4 killed when plane crashed into Miss. home identified|date=May 5, 2021|url-status=live|access-date=6 May 2021|publisher=WDAM}}</ref>

==Wikipedia's "Statement"==
[[Wikipedia]]'s article on the plane crash was started by [[Elijahandskip]]. 90 minutes after creation, a deletion notice was placed on the article, which was challenged by Elijahandskip. Within 2 hours, a deletion discussion that would last seven days began on the article. At the end of the discussion, the 'consensus' was delete, with four keep votes to ten delete votes. That deletion discussion became Wikipedia's statement about the plane crash with the result saying in short "This plane crash, in the United States, which killed four people, is not notable for Wikipedia and we will not have the information about it."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hattiesburg_plane_crash</ref>

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Category:Aviation accidents and incidents

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The following articles are about Aviation accidents and incidents.

Hattiesburg plane crash

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Jayron32

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'''Jayron32''' is a Wikipedia administrator. Jayron32 was granted administrator rights on January 11, 2008.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Jayron32</ref> As of May 2021, Jayron32 has over 94,000 edits on Wikipedia.<ref>https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Jayron32</ref> He participated in Wikipedia's discussion to merge their 'Killing of Luca Attanasio' into 'Luca Attanasio' as an advocate to merge. [[Elijahandskip]] participated in that discussion as an advocate to oppose the merge as they created the article 'Killing of Luca Attanasio'.

==References==
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Elijahandskip

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CommanderWaterford

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'''CommanderWaterford''' is a [[Wikipedia]] editor<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CommanderWaterford</ref> who is a member of Wikipedia's WikiProject of Spain. He nominated the Wikipedia's Makurdi kidnapping article & Wikipedia's Virar hospital fire article for deletion. Both deletion attempts failed with the kidnapping being voted to be merged (Still have the info on Wikipedia in a new place) and the fire a straight 'Keep' vote. <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Virar_hospital_fire</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Makurdi_kidnapping</ref> He was also an advocate to delete Wikipedia's Rambouillet knife attack, which was a terrorist attack in France. The terrorist attack deletion attempt failed within 20 hours of its start.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rambouillet_knife_attack</ref> When the [[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] occured, he was an advocate to keep Wikipedia's article about it in draft state when the news about it came out.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&offset=20210509143752%7C1022266450&action=history</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&diff=1022161930&oldid=1022156839</ref>

==References==
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Category:Wikipedia Editors

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CommanderWaterford

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CommanderWaterford

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'''CommanderWaterford''' is a Wikipedia editor<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CommanderWaterford</ref> who is a member of Wikipedia's WikiProject of Spain. He nominated the Wikipedia's Makurdi kidnapping article & Wikipedia's Virar hospital fire article for deletion. Both deletion attempts failed with the kidnapping being voted to be merged (Still have the info on Wikipedia in a new place) and the fire a straight 'Keep' vote. <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Virar_hospital_fire</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Makurdi_kidnapping</ref> He was also an advocate to delete Wikipedia's Rambouillet knife attack, which was a terrorist attack in France. The terrorist attack deletion attempt failed within 20 hours of its start.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rambouillet_knife_attack</ref> When the [[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] occured, he was an advocate to keep Wikipedia's article about it in draft state when the news about it came out.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&offset=20210509143752%7C1022266450&action=history</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colonial_Pipeline_cyberattack&diff=1022161930&oldid=1022156839</ref>

==References==
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CommanderWaterford

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'''CommanderWaterford''' is a Wikipedia editor<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CommanderWaterford</ref> who is a member of Wikipedia's WikiProject of Spain. He nominated the Wikipedia's Makurdi kidnapping article & Wikipedia's Virar hospital fire article for deletion. Both deletion attempts failed with the kidnapping being voted to be merged (Still have the info on Wikipedia in a new place) and the fire a straight 'Keep' vote. <ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Virar_hospital_fire</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Makurdi_kidnapping</ref> He was also an advocate to delete Wikipedia's Rambouillet knife attack, which was a terrorist attack in France. The terrorist attack deletion attempt failed within 20 hours of its start.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rambouillet_knife_attack</ref>

==References==
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Elijahandskip

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Category:Wikipedia Editors

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The following articles are about Wikipedia editors

User:Elijahandskip

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Breitbart News

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[[File:Breitbartlogo.jpg|thumb|right|275px]]
'''Breitbart News''' is a major [[conservative]] news source founded by [[Andrew Breitbart]]. Presently, it is a [[conservative media]] juggernaut providing breaking news stories that the [[mainstream media]] would suppress from the general public. Exposing [[liberal bias]] in media has proven profitable as Breitbart has created other successful news sites; ''Breitbart.TV'', ''BigGovernment'', ''BigJournalism'', ''BigHollywood'', and most recently ''BigPeace''. Breitbart is such a threat to the left that [[Media Matters]] constantly harasses them with misinformation campaigns. The Breitbart properties have provided some of the most ground-breaking news stories over the last several years and can be credited with taking down [[ACORN]] and exposing [[race baiting]] against the [[Tea Party movement]] by [[Democrat]] politicians. Per their website,

<blockquote>"Breitbart is currently serving about 20 million news pages per month to more than three million unique visitors. Many top bloggers rely on Breitbart as a primary news resource. Technorati puts Breitbart.com in its Top 50, with more than 30,000 links from nearly 8,000 blogs."</blockquote>

In 2016, Breitbart News ranked 29th in overall internet traffic according to Alexa.<ref>Concha, Joe (June 6, 2017). [https://thehill.com/homenews/media/336607-breitbart-sees-huge-advertising-drop-in-may-report Breitbart sees huge advertising drop in May: report]. ''The Hill''. Retrieved June 7, 2017.</ref> It played an influential role in the media and in the [[United States presidential election, 2016|2016 presidential election]].<ref>Bokhari, Allum (March 4, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/03/04/study-breitbart-led-right-wing-media-ecosystem-altered-media-agenda/ Study: Breitbart Dominated Right Wing Coverage, ‘Altered Media Agenda’ In 2016]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved June 8, 2017.</ref><ref>Benkler, Yochai; Faris, Robert; Roberts, Hal; Zuckerman, Ethan (March 3, 2017). [https://www.cjr.org/analysis/breitbart-media-trump-harvard-study.php Study: Breitbart-led right-wing media ecosystem altered broader media agenda]. ''Columbia Journalism Review''. Retrieved June 8, 2017.</ref><ref>Ingram, Mathew (March 6, 2017). [http://fortune.com/2017/03/06/charting-the-breitbart-ecosystem/ How the Breitbart-Led Media Ecosystem Elected Donald Trump]. ''Fortune''. Retrieved June 8, 2017.</ref> Breitbart's London section became so influential that Damian Green, Prime Minister [[Theresa May]]'s deputy, called it out by name due to its criticism of the UK government for its failure at ensuring a clean [[Brexit]].<ref>[https://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/10/20/telegraph-uk-govt-panics-slams-breitbart-london-fake-news-dangerous/ Telegraph: UK Govt Panics, Slams Breitbart London as ‘Fake News’, ‘Dangerous’]. ''Breitbart News''. October 20, 2017. Retrieved October 20, 2017.</ref>

[[Liberal]]s have claimed that Breitbart is an "[[alt-right]]" website and have tried to connect the site with [[White supremacy|white supremecists]] and [[neo-Nazis]]. However, Breitbart supports economic nationalism, which has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, and it is a strong supporter of [[Israel]] and conservative non-white politicians. In addition, a study conducted by Harvard and M.I.T. found that Breitbart does not represent any of those ideologies and that Breitbart readers actually were regular conservatives.<ref>Lee, Tony (August 16, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/16/harvard-mit-study-breitbart-is-not-alt-right/ Harvard/MIT Study: ‘Breitbart Is NOT Alt-Right’]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved August 16, 2017.</ref> Unlike the [[mainstream media]], which claims to be unbiased and objective while actually promoting a left-wing point of view, Breitbart is transparent about the fact that it promotes conservative and nationalist views.<ref>Friedman, Victoria (August 20, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/08/20/watch-kassam-tells-fox-media-weapon-breitbart-just-honest/ WATCH: Kassam Tells Fox All Media Is a Weapon, Breitbart Is Just Honest About It]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved August 20, 2017.</ref> Despite being a conservative news outlet, it has taken certain liberal positions at times, such as firing an editor in June 2017 for posting Tweets in opposition to Islam and Islamic immigration.<ref>Chasmar, Jessica (June 5, 2017). [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/5/katie-mchugh-breitbart-writer-fired-over-muslims-t/ Breitbart writer Katie McHugh fired over ‘Muslims’ tweet]. ''The Washington Times''. Retrieved June 7, 2017.</ref> Some liberal commentators have admitted that Breitbart is more influential than [[Fox News]].<ref>Lee, Tony (September 11, 2017). [https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/09/11/nbcs-john-heilemann-breitbart-powerful-media-institution-fox-news/ NBC’s John Heilemann: Breitbart ‘More Powerful Media Institution’ Than Fox News]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved September 19, 2017.</ref>

==Ownership and leadership==
Until August 2016, Bannon was the executive chairman of Breitbart News,<ref name=own>{{cite news|url=https://www.politico.eu/blogs/on-media/2017/02/breitbart-reveals-owners-ceo-larry-solov-the-mercer-family-and-susie-breitbart-donald-trump-media/|title=Breitbart reveals owners: CEO Larry Solov, the Mercer family and Susie Breitbart|date=February 25, 2017|accessdate=August 10, 2017}}</ref> though he briefly returned as its chief executive in 2017 and early 2018. The current owners are: Larry Solov, founder Andrew Breitbart's widow, Susie Breitbart, and the Mercer family. Breitbart's family owns the largest stake.<ref name=own/>

==See also==
*[[Right-wing populism]]
*[[Nationalism]]
*[[Steve Bannon]]
*[[Essay: Why I no longer support Breitbart]]
*[[Essay:Why Breitbart is not family friendly]]
*[[Ben Shapiro]]
*[[Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip - A Wikipedia Editor and Conservapedia Editor]]

==References==
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==External links==
* [https://www.breitbart.com/ Breitbart.com]
** [http://biggovernment.com/ BigGovernment.com]
** [http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/ BigHollywood.com]
** [http://breitbart.tv/ Breitbart.TV]
** [http://bigjournalism.com/ BigJournalism.com]
** [http://bigpeace.com/ BigPeace.com]
** [https://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-sports Breitbart Sports]
** [https://www.breitbart.com/newswires The Wires]
** [https://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-california Breitbart California]
** [https://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-texas Breitbart Texas]
** [https://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-london Breitbart London/Europe]
** [https://www.breitbart.com/tag/united-kingdom Breitbart United Kingdom]
** [https://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/ Breitbart Jerusalem]

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[[Category:Conservative Websites]]
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Wikipedia

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[[Image:Wpp.png|thumb|right|200px|The multilingual Wikipedia home page]]
'''Wikipedia''' is an [[internet|online]] [[wiki]]-based [[encyclopedia]] hosted and owned by the non-profit organization [[Wikimedia Foundation]] and financially supported by grants from left-leaning foundations plus an aggressive annual online fundraising drive.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20180527010133/http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/Wikimedia_Foundation_announces_tenth_annual_fundraising_campaign</ref> Most of Wikipedia's articles can be edited publicly by both registered and anonymous editors,<ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=wMhBQ0WdjF4C&pg=PA199#v=onepage&q&f=false</ref> mostly consisting of teenagers and the unemployed.<ref name="theregister.co.uk">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/09/18/sanger_forks_wikipedia/</ref> As such, it tends to project a [[liberal]]—and, in some cases, even [[socialist]], [[Communist]], and [[Nazi]]-sympathising—worldview, which is totally at odds with [[conservative]] [[reality]] and rationality.<ref>https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9856155&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=53229619</ref>

Wikipedia was co-founded by [[Jimbo Wales]] (an [[Atheism|atheist]], [[libertarian]], and [[objectivist]]), and philosophy professor [[Larry Sanger]] in 2001. The website was originally created to complement the now-defunct peer-reviewed online encyclopedia [[Nupedia]] as a way for collaboration on articles. However, Wikipedia overtook Nupedia and became an independent project hosted by the [[Wikimedia Foundation]], which also hosts various related websites, known as "sister projects", such as ''Wikinews'' and ''Wikibooks''. Co-founder Larry Sanger later acknowledged that Wikipedia does not follow its own neutrality policy.<ref name="SangerNeutrality">[https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/larry-sanger-co-founder-of-wikipedia-agrees-that-it-does-not-follow-its-own-neutrality-policy/ Uncommon Descent, December 1, 2016, Posted by Barry Arrington]</ref>

Critics of Wikipedia state that Wikipedia's articles contain [[Examples of bias in Wikipedia|systemic bias]],<ref name=howtheleft>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/david-swindle/how-the-left-conquered-wikipedia-part-1/</ref> and that the information included within its articles are a mixture of truths, [[half-truth]]s, and falsehoods.<ref name=hnn>http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/125437</ref> The nature of Wikipedia also makes it subject to spin and [[bias]], examples of which include paid public relations advocacy and inserting libelous content into the biographies of politicians for a political purpose.<ref name=hnn/> Wikipedia was also criticized for having a [[liberal bias]] in its articles about politics, despite Wikipedia's "neutral point of view" policy.<ref name=howtheleft/>

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== Continuing loss of influence ==

Wikipedia's traffic level stems from its high placement in Google searches, and that many people rely upon it for quick research regarding trivial facts. However, users are turning to alternatives such as the voice-based iPhone application [[Siri]] or the Knowledge Graph display on Google search result pages of key facts about search targets.<ref name=timesindia>{{cite news|url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/internet/Google-eating-into-Wikipedia-page-views/articleshow/29072825.cms?referral=PM|title=Google eating into Wikipedia page views?|work=Times of India|first=Subodh |last=Varma|date=January 20, 2014|accessdate=March 20, 2014}}</ref> Wikipedia page-views dropped by 2 billion between December 2012 and December 2013. Wikipedia's most popular versions are leading the decline: page-views of the English Wikipedia dropped by 12 percent, those of German version slid by 17 percent and the Japanese version lost 9 percent.<ref name=timesindia/>

In addition to the number of visitors declining, there continues to be a drop in active editors as well. In August 2012, it was reported that Wikipedia has a shrinking base of editors.<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/08/pro-evolution-wikipedia-has-shrinking.html Pro-evolution Wikipedia has a shrinking base of editors plus [[Quora]] is Wikipedia's worst nightmare]</ref> At the same time, ''Business Insider'' indicated [[Quora]] was "Wikipedia's worst nightmare".<ref>[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/08/pro-evolution-wikipedia-has-shrinking.html Pro-evolution Wikipedia has a shrinking base of editors plus Quora is Wikipedia's worst nightmare]</ref>

== Unreliability of Wikipedia ==
Wikipedia relies on self-selected "editors" to write and compile articles, with no preference given for scholars in the fields about which they are writing. This fact may disqualify Wikipedia from being considered a genuine encyclopedia, ironically even by its own standards. An encyclopedia is supposed to be a collection of articles by "well-educated, well-informed content experts."<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia</ref> Theoretically, Wikipedia is supposed to compensate for this weakness by requiring references to reputable secondary sources. But editors can delete, without collaboration, any text or entry they dislike, citing one of the many Wikipedia guidelines for doing so. Entries posted by scholars in the field, based on peer-reviewed, academic articles are deleted by editors with an ideological bias. Wikipedia, then, only represents the majority view of its editors.

As the contribution of volunteer editors has declined, some of the void has been replaced by paid public relations professionals. These paid editors seek to present their client companies or individuals in the best possible light. This has resulted in many articles being transformed into paid advertising pieces that take advantage of the English Wikipedia's high placement on Google search results. This chronic problem has become so severe that the Wikimedia Foundation has proposed amending its terms of service to require disclosures of paid editing conflicts of interest.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/Paid_contributions_amendment|title=Terms of use/Paid contributions amendment|date=February 21, 2014|accessdate=March 20, 2014}}</ref> In the competition to control content, the paid PR editors win out because they are monitoring pages as a full-time job, while editors seeking to keep content more balanced are only part-time volunteers.

In 2008, the ''American Journalism Review'' declared concerning Wikipedia:
{{cquote|"An even more blunt assessment appears in the encyclopedia's "Ten things you may not know about Wikipedia" posting: "We do not expect you to trust us. It is in the nature of an ever-changing work like Wikipedia that, while some articles are of the highest quality of scholarship, others are admittedly complete rubbish." It also reminds users not to use Wikipedia as a primary source or for making "critical decisions."<ref>http://www.ajr.org/Article.asp?id=4461</ref>}}
Despite its official "neutrality policy," [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia|Wikipedia has a strong liberal bias.]] In an article entitled "Wikipedia Lies, Slander Continue," [[journalism|journalist]] [[Joseph Farah]] stated Wikipedia "is not only a provider of inaccuracy and bias. It is a wholesale purveyor of lies and slander unlike any other the world has ever known."<ref name="wnd.com">http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83640</ref> Mr. Farah has repeatedly been the victim of defamation on Wikipedia.<ref name="wnd.com"/> In December 2010, [[Christian apologetics|Christian apologist]] [[JP Holding]] called Wikipedia "the abomination that causes misinformation".<ref>http://tektonticker.blogspot.com/search/label/Wikipedia</ref>

Some say that Wikipedia's unreliability is systemic, citing Douglas Adams: "''In other words—and this is the rock-solid principle on which the whole of the Corporation’s Galaxywide success is founded—their fundamental design flaws are completely hidden by their superficial design flaws.'' Wikipedia, which is written by anyone, still struggles to solve the need for traditional quality controls characteristic of conventional [[encyclopedia]]s. The self-policing practices have produced results and accuracy some claim is far better than originally expected but still widely questioned. Research released in April 2012 claimed 60% of Wikipedia articles contain "inaccuracies", leading the ''[[Daily Mail]]'' to dub it "Iffy-Pedia".<ref>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2131458/Up-articles-Wikipedia-contain-factual-errors.html</ref> The lack of consistency and uniform supervision leaves an ever-present shadow over any given piece of information. Many in the [[College|academy]] insist that it is an unreliable source for [[research]] and an unacceptable reference in many classrooms. However, Wikipedia steers people to original [[Source|source material]], and with the use of hyperlinks and [[search engine]]s, it has become the most widely used intermediary reference tool on the [[Internet]].

According to the style manual for the [[Associated Press]], the largest news agency in the United States, Wikipedia should not be used as a primary source, but the hyperlinks in articles may be helpful as sources.

Wikipedia has millions of entries on trivia and mundane topics ranging from an explanation for "duh"<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duh (only after Conservapedia criticized the entry on the English word "duh" did Wikipedia eventually remove it)</ref> to singles by obscure rock bands<ref>such as ''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honk_If_You_Love_Fred_Durst Honk If You Love Fred Durst]'' (accessed April 1, 2007)</ref> to arcane British nobility.<ref>Part of the article about [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Liddell Henry Liddell], a 19th-century Vice-chancellor of Oxford University and author, includes that his grandfather was the youngest son of the 8th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne, and that his daughter was the child ''Alice in Wonderland'' was written for (accessed April 1, 2007)</ref> There are editions of Wikipedia in 250 languages, and 130 have more than 1000 articles.<ref>[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias List of Wikipedias - Wikimedia], accessed April 1, 2007.</ref> After about four years Wikipedia had about 450,000 entries,<ref>Aaron Weiss, The Unassociated Press, N.Y. Times, Feb. 10, 2005, at G5.</ref> and after six years it had about 1.7 million entries.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics English Wikipedia statistics] accessed April 1, 2007</ref> Four years later this number had more than doubled again: in November 2011, there were more than 3.8 million content pages.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics English Wikipedia statistics] accessed May 6, 2011</ref> As of February 2014, there are more than 4.4 million "content" pages, many of which lack educational value. On important topics, the information is often misleading due to the unchecked, [[Wikipedia#Leftist bias|systematic liberal bias]] that dominates Wikipedia.

The quality of Wikipedia articles can vary greatly. Some articles, particularly about narrow topics and those of little interest, are well written and appear to have input from one or more subject matter experts. Articles about broader topics and with high viewership naturally have more editors, many of whom are not well versed in the subject matter. In determining the quality of an article it is helpful to check the sources or references to see if one or more of the standard references for the topic is frequently cited. Often the most valuable feature of an article will be to direct the reader to good quality references, if they exist.

==Origins==
Initially, Wikipedia was hosted on servers operated by Bomis, Inc., a company that also sold pornographic pictures.<ref>Martin Hickman and Genevieve Roberts, "WIKIPEDIA," The Independent (London) p. 12 (Feb 13, 2006)</ref> The majority owner of Bomis had lost his fortune in a lawsuit, and the Wikipedia volunteers feared that if all of Bomis' assets were seized, ownership of Wikipedia would be transferred. In 2003, Jimbo Wales addressed this risk by founding the Wikimedia Foundation to take control of Wikipedia's assets. The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organization that provides support for Wikipedia and other similar projects,<ref>[http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home Wikimedia Foundation] accessed April 7, 2007</ref> and also the free MediaWiki software that runs Wikipedia and Conservapedia.<ref>[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki MediaWiki home] accessed April 7, 2007</ref> It also gives out millions of dollars in grants each year to liberal causes that recruit liberals to edit Wikipedia so as to reflect their biases.

== Leftist bias ==

{{See also|Leftist roots of Wikipedia}}

''See also:'' [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia]]

Wikipedia shows a systematic bias in the proportion of articles which treat controversial issues. It ignores its own [[NPOV]] policy when it allows contributors to "delete well-referenced information" merely because it comes from a [[scientist]] who holds a minority view. It would only be a violation, if the article used the information to give a false impression of the proportion of scientists adhering to that view, but liberals use "undue weight" like a sledge hammer. They are either unaware or unconcerned about their bias.

This is not surprising, given this [[Zogby]] poll:

While 97% of [[Republican]]s surveyed said the media are [[liberal]], two-thirds of [[political independent]]s feel the same, but fewer than one in four independents (23%) said they saw a "conservative bias". [[Democrat]]s, while much more likely to perceive a conservative bias than other groups, were not nearly as sure the [[media]] was against them as were the Republicans. While Republicans were unified in their perception of a [[left-wing]] media, just two-thirds of Democrats were certain the media skewed [[right-wing|right]] – and 17% said the bias favored the left.<ref>http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1262</ref>

David Swindle writes at [[FrontPage Magazine]]:
{{cquote|There was not a single ideological vision driving Wikipedia’s founders and core contributors as they launched the project. Jimmy Wales, who would become the face of the project and its “benevolent dictator,” according to Andrew Lih’s ''The Wikipedia Revolution'', is a libertarian and [[Ayn Rand|Ayn Randian]] [[Objectivism|Objectivist]]. Also important in shaping Wikipedia was the so-called “hacker ethos,” the culture that has developed amongst computer programmers over the last 40 years and been shaped by the Left, the counterculture, popular culture, and [[anarchism|anarchist]] thought.

What binds together these ideologies is a [[utopia]]n ideal that human beings are more prone to [[altruism]] rather than self-interest. In Wikipedia Revolution Wales is quoted as saying, “Generally we find most people out there on the internet are good… It’s one of the wonderful humanitarian discoveries in Wikipedia, that most people only want to help us and build this free nonprofit, charitable resource.” Ward Cunningham was the programmer who created the wiki concept and software. According to Lih, he believed in the Wiki because “People are generally good.”

Lih explains how this philosophy is embedded within Wikipedia’s rules:

A core idea Wikipedia embraced.. was to assume good faith when interacting with others. The guideline promoted optimistic production rather than pessimistic nay-saying, and reads, “Unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, assume that people who work on the project are trying to help it, not hurt it; avoid accusing others of harmful motives without particularly strong evidence.

But as it worked out, Wikipedia in practice has strayed from these utopian ideas because of the ease with which political and social bias trumps altruism.

After almost a decade of rapid growth and free-wheeling experimentation the situation at the site by the Summer of 2009 was chaos. Political operatives would sabotage one another in electoral contests by vandalizing pages. More malicious misinformation filtered in freely, with living historical figures accused of involvement in conspiratorial plots.<ref>http://frontpagemag.com/2011/08/23/how-the-left-conquered-wikipedia-part-1/</ref>}}

Wikipedia co-founder [[Larry Sanger]], who left the site, later acknowledged that Wikipedia does not follow its own neutrality policy.<ref name="SangerNeutrality"/>

[[File:Peter-Singer.jpg|right|thumbnail|250px|The atheist philosopher [[Peter Singer]] defends the practice of [[bestiality]] (as well as [[abortion]], infanticide and [[euthanasia]]). Despite holding these immoral views the [[liberal]] and pro-[[evolution]] academic establishment rewarded his views with a bioethics chair at [[Princeton University]].<ref>
*[https://creation.com/the-basis-of-a-christian-worldview The Basis of a Christian Worldview - Creation Ministries International]
*[https://creation.com/answer-to-philosophy-religion-professor-on-biblical-exegesis-and-the-problem-of-evil CMI answers philosophy/religion professor on biblical exegesis and the problem of evil]
*[http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/2011/06/the-dangerous-mind-of-peter-singer ''The Dangerous Mind''] by Joe Carter, ''[[First Things]]''</ref> See: [[Atheism and bestiality]] and [[Wikipedia on bestiality]] ]]

Wikipedia also has an automatic Wikimedia Commons editing software called "Commonist," which allows the user to upload multiple files at once. The symbol of [[communism]] - the "hammer and sickle" of the leftist ideology which murdered millions in the former [[Soviet Union]] - is featured prominently on the instruction page as well as the tags that mark each uploaded image.<ref>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Commonist</ref>

=== Research ===

On August 23, 2011, David Swindle published an article at ''[[FrontPage Magazine]]'' detailing how Wikipedia has been taken over by the [[Leftist|political left]] and he cited statistics relating to Wikipedia's articles on [[Anne Coulter]], [[Michael Moore]], [[Glenn Beck]] and [[Keith Olbermann]] which helped demonstrate the Wikipedia has a leftist/liberal bias plus he discussed the liberal/leftist cultural foundations of Wikipedia.<ref name="frontpagemag.com">[http://frontpagemag.com/2011/08/23/how-the-left-conquered-wikipedia-part-1/ How the left conquered Wikipedia - Part 1]</ref>

For example, Swindle wrote:

<blockquote>"Consider Ann Coulter versus Michael Moore. Coulter’s entry (on August 9, 2011) was 9028 words long.* Of this longer-than-usual entry, 3220 words were devoted to “Controversies and criticism” in which a series of incidents involving Coulter and quotes from her are cited with accompanying condemnations, primarily from her opponents on the Left. That’s 35.6 percent of Coulter’s entry devoted to making her look bad. By contrast, Moore’s entry is 2876 words (the more standard length for entries on political commentators), with 130 devoted to “Controversy.” That’s 4.5% of the word count, a fraction of Coulter’s. Does this mean that an “unbiased” commentator would find Coulter eight times as “controversial” as Moore?"<ref name="frontpagemag.com"/></blockquote>

=== Talk Pages ===

A lot of Wikipedia's leftist bias is clearly evident from their talk pages.

For example, when an article about the Barcelona May Days<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:May_Days&oldid=903699178</ref> (an event during the Spanish Civil War where hundreds of anti-Stalinist Trotskyists and anarchists were gunned down by the pro-Stalin Republican government) portrayed the anti-Stalinist side, which contained author George Orwell, in a generally favourable light, Stalinists filled the talk page with childish attacks on the authors of the article, including expletives, as is characteristic of Wikipedia.

==Purported "Tertiary" Source and Arbitrary Standards==
Wikipedia purports to be a "tertiary" source, relying on edited work from reputable sources. The policy is meant to build on the work of qualified editors of secondary sources. Some accuse Wikipedia, therefore, of relying on [[hearsay]], and discouraging the application of [[logic]] and new development of new insights. The result is an agglomeration of reheated "consensus" with little or no intellectual merit of its own; in particular, it is impossible to challenge orthodoxy, received wisdom or commonly held misconceptions through the Wikipedia system, no matter how factually incorrect those orthodoxies might be.

Supporters of Wikipedia would claim that relying on secondary sources encourages reliability and objectivity. However, there are cases of Wikipedia applying it's standards arbitrarily. For example, the case of Wikipedia editor "Yeoberry" (user ID 3606936), an editor with a Ph.D. in church history who first posted materials about "Icons" on August 6, 2012, with multiple citations to historical documents. The material was removed and Yeoberry was told that Wikipedia is a "tertiary" source and so he needed to find reliable secondary sources. On April 4, 2013, Yeoberry again added largely the same material, this time citing a newly published academic paper in a peer-reviewed journal. The information was again removed, with editors, at least some of whom religiously affiliated with the organization supporting icons, claiming the editor had a "COI" (conflict of interest). Neither time did the editors removing Yeoberry's material consult Yeoberry. But when Yeoberry reverted to his edition, he was charged with "edit warring." When Yeoberry challenged the arbitrary use of Wikipedia criteria he was blocked from editing indefinitely and then his access to his own talk page was also blocked.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=548948980#Proposal:_Indefinite_Block</ref>

Wikipedia articles, especially on controversial or political and religious topics, are often guarded by editors who have an interest in slanting the content of the article, may have no formal education on the topic, and can find a so-called reason for suppressing the information they want to suppress. Editors can claim the source is unreliable (as they interpret that); that information gives "UNDUE" weight to the topic the information is about; peer-reviewed, academic articles written by scholars can be removed by editors if, in the opinion of an editor, the view expressed is "Fringe" or if the contributor has a "COI" (conflict of interest) if he's the author of the secondary source or has an advanced education or other interest in the topic; etc. Editors with advanced education in a topic, citing sources from peer-reviewed journals, can have their contributions deleted and their participation prohibited if a few other editors, without such qualification but with enough knowledge of the Wikipedia jargon, decide to suppress him or her.

Originally, encyclopedias were written by scholars, either by one or a few whose knowledge is considered "encyclopedic" (i.e. very broad) or each article is written by an expert in the field. But in Wikipedia, expertise in a given field can disqualify one from contributing in that field resulting in Wikipedia being accused of being a "[[idiocracy]]".

==Economics==

Though Wikipedia is non-profit, the [[Wikia]] project of its co-founder is very much for-profit and has raised millions of dollars in [[venture capital]]. Already Wikipedia has been criticized for favoring Wikia. When Wikipedia community voted 61-39% percent to treat all links to other sites equally by removing nofollow (Google-ignored) tags for all of them, the Wikipedia co-founder overruled this decision and Wikipedia now favors Wikia in its treatment of nofollow tags.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/04/28/wikipedia-special-treatment-for-wikia-and-other-wikis/|title=Wikipedia: Special Treatment for Wikia and some other Wikis|author=Nik Cubrilovic|date=April 28, 2007|accessdate=July 22, 2012}}</ref><ref>http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-January/061137.html</ref>

''The Register'' said:<ref name="theregister.co.uk"/>
:Wikipedia has tried to balance the Utopian goal of "an encyclopedia anyone can edit" with the more utilitarian goal of "a website anyone would want to read". With over a million articles, and a rulebook almost as dense, Wikipedia has demonstrated an insatiable desire to participate, create lists and generate procedures. The result is a huge silo of recorded trivia, and perhaps the world's largest, most distributed bureaucracy - mostly manned by a casual staff of teenagers and the unemployed.

For the past few years, Wikipedia has added banners begging for money from its viewers. The site claims to be in need of more funding, but in fact it is "awash with cash - and raises far more money each year than it needs to keep operating."<ref>[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/cash_rich_wikipedia_chugging/ Wikipedia doesn't need your money - so why does it keep pestering you?], 20 December 2012</ref>

Wikipedia, a registered trademark of Wikimedia Foundation, is used also by services like WikiExperts.us, which is declared as not being affiliated with it.
WikiExperts.us accepts money to write Wikipedia entries for businesses and is included in American business ventures of Alex Konanykhin, the Former Russian oligarch, who has been wanted in Russia since Yeltsin's days to face charges relating to embezzlement and financial fraud.<ref>{{cite web |title='Not terrorists': Hysteria over MH17 fails to take account of both law and facts |author=Roslyn Fuller |date=July 25, 2014 |accessdate=July 26, 2014 |url=http://rt.com/op-edge/175496-hysteria-mh17-ukraine-facts-terrorists/}}</ref>

==Scandals and decline==

[[Image:Wikipedia scandals.jpg|thumb|450px|right|Decline in Wikimedia Foundation donations.<ref>[http://centiare.com/Wikipedia_scandals Wikipedia scandals]. Retrieved from centiare.com October 10, 2007.</ref> Graph courtesy [http://www.centiare.com/Directory:Gregory_J._Kohs Gregory Kohs]. Used with Permission.]]The cumulative effect of multiple scandals and revelations has led to declining activity on the English Wikipedia. The rate of new account creation peaked in early 2007 and has declined ~30% since. Overall editing activity showed a steady decline beginning in February 2007. An independent analysis reported, "The rate at which edits were being made to Wikipedia articles appears to have peaked in February to April 2007 and declined since. This decline is unprecedented in Wikipedia's history.... Though it may be purely coincidental, this time frame also corresponds to the Essjay controversy appearing in the press."<ref>[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2007-October/033661.html Statistical Decline of the English Wikipedia], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dragons_flight/Log_analysis Dragons flight/Log analysis], October 9, 2007.</ref>

Even after the hoax was revealed of high level intimates promoted by the Wikimedia Foundation as experts in fields that they were not, to persuade college professors to allow students to cite Wikipedia as a reliable source, and entrusted with the ability to invade users privacy which could affect, in their words, "life and death," Wikipedia still appealed to students with a Jim and Tammy Faye Baker-style fundraising slogan across one million project space pages that read, "OMG! Wikipedia is gone! I’ll flunk my exams!" [http://whygive.wikimedia.org/2007/11/24/omg-wikipedia-is-gone-ill-flunk-my-exams/]

Further evidence of the decline in Wikipedia is that the number of editors who voted in the 2012 Arbitration Committee elections has dropped to 858.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012#Turnout|title=Arbitration Commitee Elections December 2012|accessdate=December 18, 2012}}</ref> For a website that claims to have thousands of active editors, this is very low. Active editors are discouraged from voting because all voters are subject to automatic investigation and invasion of their privacy to determine if they are "sockpuppets" of other voters.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://archive.is/6tiF8|title=Wikipedia's "scrutineers" snoop on living arrangements of contributors|work=Examiner|first=Greg|last=Kohs|date=December 11, 2013|accessdate=December 15, 2014}}</ref>

==Shane Fitzgerald Hoax==

After the death of composer Maurice Jarre, a Wikipedia editor named Shane Fitzgerald attached a quote to Jarre's page: "One could say my life itself has been one long soundtrack. Music was my life, music brought me to life, and music is how I will be remembered long after I leave this life. When I die there will be a final waltz playing in my head, that only I can hear."<ref>http://hoaxes.org/archive/permalink/the_maurice_jarre_wikipedia_hoax/</ref> The words are poetic, yet were never spoken by Jarre, and meant to appeal to news journalists seeking information. It was cited in many newspapers as a genuine quote before its removal.<ref>https://www.nbcnews.com/id/30699302/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/t/student-hoaxes-worlds-media-wikipedia/#.WLNTW5ArLrc</ref>

Had Fitzgerald not confessed to the lie and informed major newspapers, it is likely that the quote would have been cited to one of them. In the days following, only one newspaper (''[[The Guardian]]'') publicly apologized for the use of a source that can be a tool for duping the public.<ref>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/may/04/journalism-obituaries-shane-fitzgerald</ref> Other newspapers, such as the [[Washington Post]], simply deleted their articles from online archives.

==False claim about Brent Bozell==

In March 2007, [[Brent Bozell]] described this falsehood in Wikipedia:<ref>http://archive.mrc.org/BozellColumns/newscolumn/2007/col20070320.asp</ref>

:The other day, [[Bernie Goldberg]] emailed me, upset. He pointed me to his Wikipedia entry. To read what was written was to conclude that apparently I must hate his guts. But we are friends. He is a man for whom I have profound respect, professional and personal. He knew there was foul play.

:Right there on the screen, under the heading "Criticism," it stated that I had attacked him, "claiming that Goldberg merely lifted material he had been producing for years, and only published the book because he had an ax to grind with his former employers and was attempting to make a 'quick buck,' noting that Goldberg never mentioned the alleged liberal bias of the media until it was 'convenient' and 'profitable' for him to do so."...

:In fact, those words have never been uttered by me. The accusation would be false. Back in 1996, Goldberg used the op-ed pages of ''The Wall Street Journal'' publicly to castigate his own network for its one-sided oafish bashing of [[Steve Forbes]]. It was anything but "convenient" or "profitable" for him. It ruined his friendship with [[Dan Rather]] and put him on a path to the outer fringes of CBS News. Ultimately, it ruined his newscaster career.

:My attorney contacted Wikipedia by email demanding the removal of this false entry. No response. So we edited out the offensive material ourselves, after which in writing counsel alerted Wikipedia to the legal action that might befall them should this be repeated. Here's full disclosure, Wikipedia-style: You can see how each article is altered, sometimes hour by hour, in its "History" section. But there is no mention of the attorney's complaints. In the Goldberg article's history, an editor simply now scolds: "Bozell's article is a mock-jealous swipe at Goldberg's opportunism. PLEASE REREAD IT." (Capitals theirs.)

:Goldberg and I are not alone. The website Conservapedia.com has a [[Bias in Wikipedia|long list]] of 41 allegations of bias and factual errors at Wikipedia. You can add to that the problem with the credentials of its staff. One of its editors, named only "Essjay" online and described on his user profile "as a tenured professor of religion at a private university with expertise in canon law," was recently exposed as a 24-year-old college kid in Kentucky. He resigned in disgrace — even though Wikipedia tried to retain him, claiming he'd edited thousands of articles with flair.

Instead of apologizing to Brent Bozell, '''Wikipedia instead says "Bozell points to Conservapedia as a resource that documents Wikipedia's faults in this regard, presumably holding it as a more authoritative reference less vulnerable to vandalism."'''<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Bozell accessed April 1, 2007</ref>

==Rewriting its own history==

The Associated Press and others credit Larry Sanger as the co-founder of Wikipedia.<ref>http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/tech/2007/mar/25/032502465.html
</ref> But the Associated Press quotes Jimmy Wales as denying it:<ref>''id.''</ref>

:"When you write this up please do not uncritically repeat Sanger's absurd claim to be the co-founder of Wikipedia."

:"I know of no one who was there at the company at the beginning who would think it anything other than laughable," he added. This is an interesting comment, considering that Larry Sanger takes credit for coining the name, "Wikipedia."<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_20#Sorry.2C_Jimbo.2C_but_not_buying_it. User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 20, Larry Sanger 03:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)]</ref>

:"I am not bent out of shape about it," he wrote. "The facts are on my side, which is why I bother so little about it."

According to the Associated Press, Jimmy Wales "has repeatedly tried to address this - even going so far as editing his own Wikipedia biography to tone down credit for Sanger. Such autobiographical contributions are frowned upon in Wikipedia's community, and Wales apologized after his changes were noticed and publicized by blogger Rogers Cadenhead in 2005."<ref>''id.''</ref> Wales' booking agent for speaking engagements claims that Wales is "the founder" of Wikipedia, which results in surprised clients when that claim is challenged. The false "founder" claim is on Wales' webpage.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://jimmywales.com/about-jimmy/|title=About Jimmy|accessdate=February 6, 2015}}</ref>

Jimmy Wales has admitted that certain administrators, contrary to their own rules, have at times completely removed editing evidence.

== Seigenthaler scandal ==

In early October 2005, a prominent and respected journalist [[John Seigenthaler Sr.]], contacted Wikipedia founder [[Jimmy Wales]] about false and libelous content in his biographical entry. Essjay, a 24-year-old Wikipedia Administrator who was advancing rapidly in the organization, was dispatched to handle the situation.<ref name="User:Essjay/Letter">[http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=User:Essjay/Letter User:Essjay/Letter]. Retrieved from WikiTruth, November 3, 2007.</ref> An anonymous contributor added to Seigenthaler's biography the previous May,
:"John Seigenthaler Sr. was the assistant to Attorney General [[Robert Kennedy]] in the early 1960s. For a short time, he was thought to have been directly involved in the Kennedy assassinations of both [[John F. Kennedy|John]], and his brother, Bobby. Nothing was ever proven," and "John Seigenthaler moved to the [[Soviet Union]] in 1971, and returned to the [[United States]] in 1984. He started one of the country's largest public relations firms shortly thereafter."

Wales told Seigenthaler that Wikipedia is "accountable" and corrects mistakes immediately, but that the internet service provider of the anonymous user probably would not be helpful in identifying who placed the content.<ref name="Seigenthaler's Op-Eds">[http://www.journalism.org/node/1673 Seigenthaler's Op-Eds], October 1, 2005. Retrieved from http://www.journalism.org November 12, 2007.</ref> Accountability activist [[Daniel Brandt]], a victim of a spurious biographical entry by Wikipedia Administrators, identified the place of employment of the anonymous user, and from there the person accountable was identified.<ref>http://www.journalism.cf.ac.uk/2006/online/index.php?id=parse-195-0-0-251&article=336&author=India+Camm</ref>

Seigenthaler returned to the editorial pages of ''USA Today'' from which he retired as its first editorial manager to write an Op-Ed piece critical of Wikipedia and the threat it poses to free speech due of its overt provocation of government regulation, its irresponsible self-regulation and lack of accountability.<ref>[https://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm A false Wikipedia 'biography'], By John Seigenthaler, ''USA Today'', 11/29/2005.</ref>

=== CNN interview ===

On December 5, 2005 Wales and Seigenthaler appeared on [[CNN]]. An exchange between CNN moderator [[Kyra Phillips]] and Wales went like this:
{{Cquote|PHILLIPS:...I ran my name. I was shocked to see what was under my name. ...I'm telling you right now, Jimmy, that's not how I want people to see me and understand me. And what I'm about, and what I write about in my interviews, ''et cetera''. So, you know, it's not just individuals like John, but me and many other people, that just have concerns that this is creating gossip that can be very harmful. And people go to these sites thinking that this is the truth.}}
{{Cquote|WALES: Well, I mean, I think the real key is that the site matures over time, the -- all of the articles are edited over and over and over, and improved. Anyone's free to contribute. You're free to go and contribute.}}

This in fact is not the case. Phillips was not free to remove objectionable content within her biographical entry, as Daniel Brandt at that exact moment was discovering. Not four days prior, Wales told ''Editor & Publisher'' magazine regarding Brandt's objections to a false Wikipedia biography created by Wikipedia Administrators about him, "I find it hard to take him very seriously at all," and libelous slanders remained in Brandt's biography for a year and half. Wales told CNN, "we are very, very responsive to complaints and concerns."

Seigenthaler told the audience "with accountability comes credibility" and expressed fear that, "I'm afraid we're going to get regulated media as a result."<ref>http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/05/lol.02.html</ref>

On December 9, Seigenthaler appeared on C-SPAN's ''Washington Journal'' with Brian Lamb and articulated his concern that members of Congress or other powerful figures in government may likewise be targeted. On November 2, 2006, days before the mid-term Congressional elections, an anonymous IP address traced to the ''[[New York Times]]'' changed [[U.S. House of Representatives]] [[Majority Leader]] [[Tom DeLay]]'s Wikipedia biographical entry from "a prominent member of the [[Republican Party]]" to "Grand Dragon of the Republican Party."<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tom_DeLay&diff=prev&oldid=85320018 Wikipedia/Tom DeLay, Revision as of 20:19, 2 November 2006, IP 199.181.174.146]</ref><ref>[http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/name2ip.php?orgname=New+York+Times&location= WikiScanner]</ref>

Seigenthaler wrote a more expansive column in the ''The Tennessean'' after the November 30 ''USA Today'' piece appeared,
{{Cquote|a sudden stream of invective — homophobic, anti-Semitic and racist — spilled, as if from a sewer, onto the Wikipedia page under my name. ..It identified me as ...a "Nazi," "fascist-oriented" ....murderer ...there also was the profile picture of Adolf Hitler over the caption, "Press photo of Seigenthaler." The accompanying line: "He is secretly responsible for killing all the Jews." }}

=== Accountability and Section 230 ===
[[Image:Wikifascists.JPG|thumb|275px|right|From Wikipedia Watch. [http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/] The inscription reads, ''"Two wikifascists find someone without a biography."'']]
Upon his retirement from ''USA Today'', Seigenthaler founded the First Amendment Center, an organization dedicated to a national dialogue about [[First Amendment]] rights and values. Seigenthaler criticized passage of [[Section 230]] of the Communications Decency Act of 1996. Section 230 states that "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker." Unlike print and broadcast companies, internet service providers (ISP's) cannot be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by others. Seigenthaler noted [[Jimbo Wales]] told [[Brian Lamb]] in a [[C-SPAN]] interview that Wikipedia is accountable and that mistakes are corrected within minutes, but the false information remained in Seigenthaler's biography for five months. Seigenthaler concluded,
{{Cquote|And so we live in a universe of new media with phenomenal opportunities for worldwide communications and research — but populated by volunteer vandals with poison-pen intellects.<ref>A false Wikipedia 'biography', By John Seigenthaler, ''USA Today'', 11/29/2005.</ref>}}

In the case of ''Zeran v. AOL'', Zeran sued AOL for refusing to screen and remove defamatory messages, even after Zeran notified the ISP of their existence. The lower court ruled for the service provider and the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit upheld the decision, noting that the intent of Section 230 was to (1) remove incentives on service providers to restrict speech on the Internet and (2) encourage self-regulation by service providers.<ref>http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=916529</ref><ref>http://www.adl.org/Civil_Rights/newcyber.pdf</ref>

An American citizen who posts material on the Internet that is illegal in a foreign country could be prosecuted if he subjected himself to the jurisdiction of that country. Internet users who export material that is illegal, that is to say, post material that is accessible and illegal in some foreign countries may be subject to prosecution in that country. However, under American law, the United States will not extradite a person for engaging in a constitutionally protected activity even if that activity violates a criminal law elsewhere.<ref>http://www.rjayco.com/obrien/nazism.pdf</ref>

=== Essjay given oversight ===
:''See Main article: [[Wikipedia:The Essjay scandal]]

Essjay wrote a professor to persuade her to allow her students to use Wikipedia as a viable source of information and posted a verbatim copy of the email for others to use. Essjay stated, "I was the administrator who deleted the inappropriate revisions when Mr. Seigenthaler contacted our founder, [[Jimmy Wales]]; it is quite unfortunate that a relatively minor issue on a relatively minor figure has provided so much negative publicity.<ref name="User:Essjay/Letter"/> Seigenthaler noted in his Op-Ed piece, "The motive for the salacious stuff directed at me is reasonably obvious," and quoted some comments, "We all at Wikipedia think he (Seigenthaler) is a horrible, stupid p...k for complaining about small inaccuracies in his biography."<ref name="Seigenthaler's Op-Eds"/>

Others said, "Mr. Seigenthaler's attitude and actions are reprehensible and ill-formed," and “if there is an error whether large or small, he can correct it.” This again, was not true. Even prior to the Wikipedia policy, '''Biographies of Living Persons''', [[conflict of interest]] restrictions existed on the subject of an article editing their own entry. Another wrote: "Rather than fixing the article himself, he made a legal threat."<ref>http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/02/12/bias_sabotage_haunt_wikipedias_free_world/?page=3</ref>
[[Image:Seigraph.gif|400px|thumb|right|The Seigenthaler scandal was viewed as "the best thing that ever happened to Wikipedia" as curiosity seekers to view the [[misinformation]] skyrocketed Alexa rankings.]]
Despite the damage to an innocent person and divulgence of Wikipedia's precarious claim as a viable source, the Seigenthaler scandal was viewed as a triumph and considered "the best thing that ever happened to Wikipedia,"<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_Seigenthaler,_Sr.#The_best_thing_that_ever_happened_to_Wikipedia Talk:John Seigenthaler Sr.#The best thing that ever happened to Wikipedia], retrieved 23 March 2007.</ref> catapulting it into a top ten most visited website as curiosity seekers responded to the negative publicity.<ref>[http://wikipediareview.com/lofiversion/index.php?t1100.html Wikipedia: A Nightmare Of Libel and Slander], Joel Leyden, Israel News Agency, 8 May 2006.</ref>

The scandal was originally billed as a "hoax", then "controversy," then downgraded to "incident," and now re-upgraded to "controversy," evidently in response to criticism. The Wikipedia entry on "Seigenthaler controversy" contains [[disinformation]], making the claim, "After the incident, Wikipedia took steps to prevent a recurrence, including barring unregistered users from creating new pages." No actions were ever taken to require disclosure of the real life identities of contributors. Barring unregistered users from creating new pages had nothing to do with the Seigenthaler scandal—the page already existed when an anonymous IP added the false information. Registration of accounts requires no accountability of the real life identity of the contributor. Indeed, many experienced Wikipedia editors and Administrators have dozens of registered accounts, called "sockpuppet accounts." Protecting the identities of anonymous high-level Administrators has always been more of a priority to the WikiMedia Foundation than the propagation of false information about real life persons whose identities are known. Wales was asked by ''BusinessWeek'' magazine, “Why do you feel it is important to allow contributors and site administrators to remain anonymous?” Wales responded, “there are definitely people working in Wikipedia who may have privacy reasons for not wanting their name on the site….there are lots of reasons for privacy online that aren’t nefarious.”<ref>http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2005/tc20051214_441708.htm</ref> In the Seigenthaler case, it was the odd circumstance that a victim of false information had a large enough platform to respond, coupled with the welcome fact that the victim fundamentally opposes government regulation of internet speech.

Wikipedia's "Seigenthaler controversy" also states, "The Foundation added a new level of "oversight" features to the MediaWiki software,[12] accessible as of 2006 to around 20 experienced editors nominated by Wales,"<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy#Wikimedia_Foundation_reaction Seigenthaler controversy#Wikimedia Foundation reaction].</ref> one of whom was Essjay.

This ban on anonymous page creation “reform” was abandoned less than two years later as Wikipedia's usage and ratings slumped in the wake of yet more scandals and questions about Wikipedia's culture, core content policies, and endemic lack of accountability.<ref>http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-October/084292.html</ref>

==Brandt / Berlet feud==
:''See Main article: [[Wikipedia:The Daniel Brandt controversy]]
An ugly [[far-left]] sectarian dispute<ref>[http://spencer.lib.ku.edu/exhibits/wilcox/5.html Laird Wilcox], ''The Watchdogs: A Close Look at Anti-Racist "Watchdog" Groups'', Second Edition, Part 2, Editorial Research Service, 1999, p. 21. ISBN 0-993592-96-5.</ref> reared its head in 2005 with disastrous consequences for the site's credibility. The feud had been dormant for many years until the need to elevate a “controversial and notable expert” above the level of “partisan and extreme” defined by its own policies became apparent which would have precluded the so-called “expert” as "a source for anything other than himself,” as Wikipedia's ever fluid policies dictate.

Daniel Brandt, founder of Namebase,<ref>http://www.namebase.org/</ref> Google Watch, and Wikipedia Watch, removed Chip Berlet from his Board of Advisors in 1991 when Berlet refused to sit on the same Board which included Fletcher Prouty." Prouty, a retired Air Force colonel whose intelligence career stretched back to accompanying President [[Franklin Roosevelt]] to the [[Teheran conference]], was allegorically portrayed as the mysterious “Man X”<ref>[http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/lfprouty.htm Leroy Fletcher Prouty, Jr., Colonel, United States Air Force], [[Arlington National Cemetery]] Website, Retrieved November 4, 2007.</ref> by Donald Southerland in [[Oliver Stone]]'s film, [[JFK]]. A Brandt biographical page was created using Berlet as the source for unsavory attacks on Brandt. Brandt describes himself as an "accountability activist"<ref>[https://www.pbs.org/mediashift/2006/04/your_take_roundupbelievers_neg.html Believers, Negativists Debate Wikipedia’s Trustworthiness], by Mark Glaser, 20 April 2006. Retrieved from pbs.org October 29, 2007.</ref><ref>[http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Daniel_Brandt Wikiquote/Daniel Brandt#Sourced]</ref> and claims he originally began working with Wikipedia editors in good faith during October 2005 but any biographical information he revealed was spun against him to depict him in a negative light. Brandt states,
{{Cquote|I soon realized that it was also about Berlet, who was still bent on undermining me. Berlet was using Wikipedia as part of his political agenda, and he was successful in this.<ref>http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=5641&st=40&p=21441&mode=linear#entry21441</ref>}}
Berlet's biography underwent an extensive revision with most of the substantive NPOV criticism cut out. The revising editor commented, "I kept Daniel Brandt, not because I feel he's a credible source, but because there's so little published criticism of Berlet, that I felt I had to retain something."<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Chip_Berlet&diff=prev&oldid=9161554 Chip Berlet/Talk, SlimVirgin 00:19, 7 January 2005].</ref> This is an extraordinary statement and raises the question why the same high-level Administrator and author of several of Wikipedia's core content and citation policies, including '''Wikipedia:Reliable Sources''' and '''Wikipedia:Biographies of Living Persons''' ('''BLP'''),<ref name="en.wikipedia.org">https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons&diff=31947681&oldid=31753956</ref> would use a source she did not consider credible.

===Biographies of living persons===

Wikipedia:Biographies of Living Persons (WP:BLP) policy did not come into being because of the Seigenthaler scandal, but rather over the Brandt controversy, as the originating editor noted in an edit summary.<ref name="en.wikipedia.org"/> Brandt requested Wikipedia delete his biographical entry, and ceased working with editors he suspected of working to further the propagation of false information about him.

''Editor & Publisher'' magazine bills itself as the nation's oldest trade journal serving the newspaper industry with roots dating back to 1884. Wikipedia founder [[Jimmy Wales]] responded to questions from ''Editor & Publisher'' in a prepared statement on December 1, 2005 about Daniel Brandt saying,
{{Cquote|I don't regard him as a valid source about anything at all<ref>[http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/article_brief/eandp/1/1001612839 Wikipedia Founder, Readers Respond to Seigenthaler Article], Jay DeFoore, ''Editor & Publisher'', December 01, 2005.</ref>}}

Wales comments added '''undue weight'''<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:UNDUE#Undue_weight</ref> ('''WP:UNDUE''') to criticism of Brandt when placed within his biographical entry. Brandt demanded accountability from the army of unidentified Wikipedia Administrators furthering Chip Berlet's agenda to destroy Brandt's credibility, and elevate Berlet's own as a Wikipedia "expert."
[[Image:294577483 90fd22f5cd m.jpg|thumb|300px|right|From '''WikiTruth''', the inscription reads, 
"''The Big Bad Brandt is Gonna Getcha!'']]
Brandt became known as the scourge of the Wikipedia Admin community. WikiTruth says in its ''Brandt the Boogeyman'' entry,
{{Cquote|he dates back to a time when people would look up facts in books and would verify information without just doing a copy and paste from an AP news article and thinking they were done. He compares writing styles, he calls government agencies, and he writes letters. And when he's done, he tends to know. Or at least, he knows where he stands in terms of information. He's rather tenacious about getting stuff right.

Wikipedia, of course, doesn't do this much at all: depending on the day, they'll laud a link to a website as being absolutely useless (it's on the WEB, of course) and then the next minute link to a different website to back a "fact" up. Citing books and printed materials is often a no-go, because nobody can read the original citation, so it gets swept away as well. Really, you have no idea what's good and what's bad, and it's all one big happy soup-hug.

Therefore, guys like Daniel Brandt are horrible for Wikipedia: he researches. He finds laws that pertain to situations. He asks the tough questions that could upset the whole Wiki-cart.}}

Wikipedia continues to publish inaccurate and defamatory articles about living persons, written by anonymous contributors, based on other unreliable sources, and refuses to withdraw or change them. The victims of its libels have no legal means of compelling Wikipedia to make any changes. It is not answerable to any court or libel laws and simply behaves as if it is above the law.

==The Wordbomb Saga==
[[Image:Patrick byrne overstock small.jpg|thumb|right|Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne [http://www.overstock.com/Patrick-Byrne-and-naked-short-selling/7371/static.html]]]
One of Wikipedia's most bitter and drawn-out disputes, chronicled in ''The Register,''<ref>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/06/wikipedia_and_overstock/</ref> centers around the assertion by representatives of Overstock.com<ref>http://www.overstock.com/community</ref> that a [[Mainstream media|mainstream financial journalist]] Gary Weiss had been editing Wikipedia to impose his point of view on a series of articles relevant to the company. Weiss was once a reporter with BusinessWeek, in 2007 became a columnist with Forbes, and had for over 10 years been posting under fake names to confuse, distort, hijack Usenet groups, stock message boards, and Wikipedia, to prevent the public from understanding criminal activity.<ref>http://www.deepcapture.com/gary-weiss-scaramouch-psychopath/</ref> Weiss was notorious around the Internet for his public feud with Overstock<ref>http://garyweiss.blogspot.com/2007/05/overstockcoms-ethical-dilemma.html</ref> and its CEO [[Patrick Byrne]],<ref>http://allantyoung.com/2008/09/22/patrick-byrne-vindicated/</ref> ridiculing their campaign against the controversial practice of [[Naked Short Selling]].

In 2006, Judd Bagley, an ally of Overstock's Patrick Byrne having interviewed the CEO for a personal project, began editing Wikipedia to counter what was perceived to be a skewed representation of Naked Short Selling and Overstock.com. He was swiftly dispatched by influential Wikipedia administrators.

Shortly after, Bagley became Overstock's Director of Communications, and embarked on an aggressive campaign to publicize the dispute on various websites, aiming to expose the administrators he held responsible for protecting Weiss. Using the moniker “Wordbomb”, Bagley presented evidence<ref>http://antisocialmedia.net/final-word-on-weiss/</ref> suggesting that not only was Gary Weiss editing Wikipedia using the name “User:Mantanmoreland“,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mantanmoreland</ref> but that he was operating other accounts to manipulate consensus and protect his interests in the dispute. Mantanmoreland violated Wikipedia policies against Conflict of Interest and No Self Promotion by creating an article about himself.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gary_Weiss&diff=prev&oldid=48341962</ref> Bagley proved Weiss had edited Wikipedia from one of two main IPs used by the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation (DTCC),<ref>http://www.dtcc.com/about/business/index.php</ref> the organization charged with settling about a quadrillion stock trades each year. The DTCC is also the organization Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne said acts an enabler of perpetrators of illegal naked short selling of many public companies.<ref>http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=10360&st=0&p=36485&mode=linear#entry36485</ref>

Wikipedia responded to Bagley's campaign in typical schoolyard fashion. The dispute was escalated by a small clique of powerful Wikipedians who seemed less interested in the truth of Bagley's assertions, and more concerned with attacking perceived threats to the status quo at Wikipedia. With the approval of [[Jimbo Wales]], administrators sided with “Mantanmoreland” / Gary Weiss, and anointed Bagley / Wordbomb an “Enemy Of The Wiki” who needed to be silenced — a “stalker” and a “harasser” for publicizing the details of the person who had been editing relevant articles on Wikipedia, and the people who had been stopping him from doing the same.

For nearly two years, Bagley's name was invoked to inspire paranoia in the Wikipedia Admin Community to keep questioning editors in line. It became a textbook case for analysis of the intense group-think Wikipedia has become notorious for.
[[Image:Judd bagley overstock.jpg|thumb|left|175px|Judd Bagley was made a target at the highest levels of Wikipedia and became a victim of a global [[witchhunt]] by the Wikipedia Admin Community for daring to expose an unholy alliance of abuse and [[corruption]] on [[Wall Street]] and in the Wikipedia cabal. [http://antisocialmedia.net/] ]]
Bagley was repeatedly disparaged<ref>http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=15897</ref> by a cabal of out-of-control administrators such as Guy Chapman, who denounced Bagley as “lunatic” and “evil” when it suited. UK Wikimedia representative David Gerard banned an entire area of Utah to prevent Bagley raising his issues and made personally disparaging remarks.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:David_Gerard/archive_5#User:204.15.84.2</ref> Wikipedia Arbitrator Fred Bauder claimed that Bagley's blog AntiSocialMedia.net showed “moral depravity”<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Attack_sites/Proposed_decision&diff=158954587&oldid=158809362</ref> for challenging the Wiki-elite. Administrator Phil Sandifer dismissed Bagley in highly personal and offensive language while boasting<ref>http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-October/083509.html</ref> that he himself had become a “powerful and trusted administrator on the 9th biggest website in the world.”

Other editors who raised Overstock's quite legitimate complaints were banned as proxies of Judd Bagley. Paranoia had taken such a hold that editors with productive records from all over the US, and as far afield as Europe and Asia found themselves accused of being Bagley. When the editor Cla68<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_Cla68</ref> questioned the issue of Gary Weiss editing Wikipedia, he was swiftly blocked by administrator Durova on the orders of Jimbo Wales who wrote,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gary_Weiss&diff=165916446&oldid=165916313</ref> “Durova and Guy have my full support here. No nonsense, zero tolerance, shoot on sight. No kidding, this has gone on long enough”.

A study<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SirFozzie/Investigation</ref> undertaken by concerned administrators into the editing patterns of “Mantanmoreland” came to fruition. Despite the “Mantanmoreland” account ceasing edits on Overstock / Naked Short Selling articles in September 2007, the study revealed evidence beyond reasonable doubt that the same person had been operating several accounts to “control” articles. Thus affirming Bagley's claims.

More worryingly for good faith Wikipedians was the revelation<ref>http://www.wikback.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2762#Post2757</ref><ref>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/01/wikipedia_and_naked_shorting/print.html</ref> that Jimbo Wales, alongside leading administrators, had considered that this person was almost certainly Gary Weiss in a private discussion as long ago as September 2007 (the same month the “Mantanmoreland” account quit editing the relevant articles). Meaning that behind the scenes, they were admitting that Bagley was probably right all along, yet in public were vilifying or blocking anyone who publicly stated so.

After the [[financial meltdown of 2008]], the [[Securities and Exchange Commission]] issued directives aimed at curbing abusive naked short selling.<ref>[http://www.philly.com/inquirer/business/20090728_SEC_short-selling_rule_is_permanent.html]</ref> Patrick Byrne has been widely recognized as in the forefront of the movement aimed at curbing such abuses.<ref>http://www.investigatethesec.com/drupal-5.5/?q=node/425</ref>

==Michael Moore==
[[Image:Moorecagan.JPG|right|thumb|200px|Moore with [[Leslie Cagan]] [[United For Peace and Justice]] [http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=629] ]]
The website MichaelMoore.com, dissatisfied with a Wikipedia editor's edits to ''[[Sicko]]'', published an image of a Wikipedia user on its main page. This was combined with links to edit both ''Sicko'' and the editor's user page.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Attack_sites/Proposed_decision#Michael_Moore] Several Wikipedia editors and Administrators regarded this action on the part of [[Michael Moore]]'s official website as an egregious violation of a well publicized ruling to protect Wikipedia editors from outside harassment. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Attack_sites/Evidence#Michael_Moore][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Attack_sites/Evidence#Michael_Moore_2] The consensus, per Wikipedia's policy was to remove links from Wikipedia to Michael Moore's attack site which was urging vengeance and reprisals against an editor who posted criticism of Moore's film.

In Arbitration, Wikipedia's internal policy making and dispute resolution arm, the Arbitration chairman publicly admitted,
{{Cquote|No question it contained an attack, including a link to edit our user's page. The problem is that many of us like Michael Moore very much and don't care much for the viewpoint of the user involved. Applying our policy in a rote manner (Without consideration of '''the unwritten rule that we support prominent subjects that we like''') yields removal of the link (At least while it contained the personal attack).<ref>Wikien-1 [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-October/082980.html Harassment sites], Fred Bauder, Sun Oct 14 19:03:28 UTC 2007.</ref>}}

Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View (NPOV), laid down by founder Jimbo Wales allegedly is "absolute and non-negotiable." Few people find the claim convincing.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#_note-0] The ArbCom chairman further stated, "Obviously we need to make an exception for prominent people whose viewpoint we support." [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-October/082987.html] When asked, "How, then, is this remotely compatible with NPOV?", the ArbCom chairman responded, "Not at all." [http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-October/082993.html] The editor whom Michaelmoore.com was urging its viewers to attack and harass is described as "a Fellow at the [[American Enterprise Institute]], a [[conservative]] [[think tank]]."[http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-October/083230.html]

==Sinbad hoax==
On March 16, 2007, Wikipedia entry on the 50-year old entertainer Sinbad, born David Adkins, stated: "He succumbed to a fatal heart attack on the morning of March 14, 2007." This hoax was widely reported in the media.<ref>http://www.ioltechnology.co.za/article_page.php?iSectionId=2891&iArticleId=3734818</ref>

==Robert Clark Young revenge edits==
From 2006 to 2013, Robert Clark Young, an author who had only published one novel to mixed reviews, edited Wikipedia extensively with 13,000 edits under username "Qworty." He engaged in aggressive behavior making revenge edits to biographical articles of his rival authors and other people against whom he held grudges. He also puffed up his own Wikipedia autobiography, and repeatedly denied that he was connected to Young. He also created other single purpose accounts to further his campaign.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Geri_Litton|title=Geri Litton sockpuppet investigation|date=2007|accessdate=July 11, 2013}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qworty/Archive|title=Quorty sockpuppet inviestigant|date=2013|accessdate=July 11, 2013}}</ref> Only after his true identity was revealed in a salon.com article,<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.salon.com/2013/05/17/revenge_ego_and_the_corruption_of_wikipedia/|title=Revenge, ego and the corruption of Wikipedia|date=May 17, 2013|work=salon.com|accessdate=July 9, 2013}}</ref> was Young banned<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive797#User:Qworty|title=Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive797|accessdate=July 9, 2013}}</ref> and efforts made to reverse his vindictive edits. In essence, he would remove favorable items from the biographies of his enemies or nominate them for deletion. The salon.com article concluded,
<blockquote>But Qworty’s example tells us that even when people call attention to a rogue editor, even when that editor’s temper tantrums come to the attention of the founder of Wikipedia, it’s quite possible that no action will be taken.</blockquote>

==Rutgers-Ivy League hoax==
A Wikipedia entry falsely stated that Rutgers was once invited to join the Ivy League. Although that false statement was eventually removed from Wikipedia, it was not removed before the ''Daily News'' relied on it in this story:

:You don't have to define your college with your football team, but Rutgers long ago decided to give it a try. Back in 1954, when it was considered a 'public Ivy,' Rutgers might have joined the fledgling Ivy League and altered its destiny. But the school declined the offer - arguably the dumbest mistake in its history. Ever since then, Rutgers has scrambled to prove itself worthy of playing football with the big boys."<ref>Bondy, Filip. "They Can Finally Say They Belong Here", New York Daily News, 2006-11-10, p. 92. Retrieved on 2006-12-13.</ref>

==Barbara Bauer vs. Wikimedia Foundation==
Wikimedia Foundation is one of 17 defendants in a lawsuit suit filed in New Jersey, by Barbara Bauer and her literary agency. Her Wikipedia article was deleted on March 25, 2007 by Wikipedia administrator Doc Glasgow as a "bloody disgrace".<ref name="wikipedia-watch.org">http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/bauertc.html</ref>{{dead link}}<ref name="wikipedia-watch.org"/><ref>http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/bauert1.html</ref><ref>http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/bauert2.html</ref>{{dead link}}

==GFDL License Issue==
Wikipedia's practice of complete deletion of articles<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Brian+Peppers</ref> without reference to the original article, the author(s)/publisher(s) of the article, and the history and title(s) of the article, including modification history, description and appropriate dates, is a direct violation of at least GFDL version 1.2. Additionally, the GFDL License states that if the article/document contains Copyright notices, that said notices must be preserved at all times. If those notices are removed, then they are in violation of Copyright Law, as well as the terms of the GFDL license. Furthermore, the question of them removing anything outright at all comes into quite a grey area. If one reads the GFDL License literally, then it implies that once the article document is posted, it is in distribution, and technical measures are not allowed to be taken to prevent the use of the document in question, and that no other conditions whatsoever can be added by the user to those of the GFDL license.<ref>http://www.wikitruth.info/index.php?title=Wikipocalypse:GF'DL</ref><ref>http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html#TOC1</ref>

However, beginning June 15, 2009, the Wikimedia Foundation began transitioning content on Wikipedia to be dual-licensed under both the GFDL and Creative Commons CC-BY-SA 3.0.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-06-15/News_and_notes</ref>

==Censorship==
Among the many userboxes that are used by editors in Wikipedia, there is one that claims "Wikipedia is not censored".<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Disavian/Userboxes/Not_Censored "Wikipedia is not censored" userbox] at Wikipedia</ref> This is a lie, as Wikipedia routinely engages in censorship against any edits [[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia|its editors and administrators do not like for political/ideological reasons]] (particularly involving political articles, the "[[global warming]]" article, the [[GamerGate]] controversy article and articles involving gender-confused individuals and those claiming to be "non-binary") and its leftist editors/administrators have been very quick to revert/censor such edits and to quickly block editors who make such edits to fit reality instead of the leftist editors' personal and ideological preference, wishful thinking and political correctness in defiance of reality and logic.

==Cyberbullying==
The press have reported on incidents of [[cyberbullying]] on Wikipedia.<ref name="LATimes">{{cite news| url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/apr/29/local/me-wikipedia29 | work=Los Angeles Times | first=Molly | last=Hennessy-Fiske | title=Wikipedia threats went unchecked – Los Angeles Times | date=29 April 2008}}</ref><ref name="ABCLocal">[http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local&id=6087243 Hacienda Heights school receives possible threat | abc7.com]</ref><ref name="LATimes2">{{cite news |title=Student arrested for violent threats on Wikipedia |first= |last= |url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2008/04/wiki.html?cid=6a00d8341c630a53ef011571abd811970b |work=[[Los Angeles Times]] |date=29 April 2008}}</ref> An editor threatened an Asian student at the Glen A. Wilson High School in 2008,<ref name="LATimes" /><ref name="ABCLocal" /><ref name="LATimes2" /> and a 14-year-old boy was arrested for making a threat against Niles West High School on Wikipedia in 2006.<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.pantagraph.com/news/article_baef01f3-e56f-52e1-b9af-e90eb83e811b.html|title=Teen charged after threat to school on Wikipedia|date=31 October 2006|agency=Associated Press |publisher=Pantagraph.com|accessdate=26 January 2011|location=Bloomington, IL}}</ref>

María Sefidari, the female Chair of the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Directors, is involved in a lesbian relationship with Wikipedia editor Laura Hale, which creates an inherent conflict of interest in the following controversy.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.canberra.edu.au/researchrepository/items/d2d1d08e-20c3-4781-9072-57c8960c6c91/1/introductory_pages.pdf?attachment.uuid=a046d5df-9395-4700-a345-ebda1f122cc6|title=Thesis Acknowledgements|page=4|accessdate=July 15, 2019}}</ref> Ms. Hale has a long history, dating back to 2011 of incompetent edits and abusing male editors while making false accusations of "misogyny" against editors who correct her edits. A long-time male administrator, Fram, followed Ms. Hale around making corrections to her problematic edits. In turn, Ms. Hale complained to the Trust & Security staff of the Wikimedia Foundation, rather than to the volunteer-staffed complaint mechanisms on Wikipedia. Although the Trust & Security staff has previously banned a few editors for problems involving illegal conduct such as pedophilia, in June 2019, for the first time, they suspended Fram for one year for alleged "incivility". In response, an English Wikipedia administrator lifted the block and was in turn stripped of his administratorship by the Foundation, and several other administrators resigned in protest.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_response_to_the_Wikimedia_Foundation%27s_ban_of_Fram|title=Wikipedia:Community response to the Wikimedia Foundation's ban of Fram|accessdate=June 24, 2019}}</ref> In response to a Buzzfeed article about the controversy,<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/wikipedia-ban-editor-culture-war|title=The Culture War Has Finally Come For Wikipedia|date=July 27, 2019|accessdate=July 28, 2019|work=Buzzfeed News}}</ref> Wikimedia Foundation executive director Katharine Maher sent a tweet calling the article "s***ty", which drew heavy criticism against her on her Twitter account from other Wikipedia editors for what they indicated was her dismissive and elitist attitude toward those opposed to the Foundation's unilateral abuse of power.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://twitter.com/krmaher/status/1144394019893460993|title=tweet|accessdate=June 28, 2019}}</ref> As more Wikipedia Administrators and Bureaucrats resign or go on strike, the crisis has also been reported by Breitbart.<ref>{{cite news|url=https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/06/28/wikipedia-editors-revolt-over-sites-ban-of-veteran-administrator/|title=Wikipedia Editors Revolt over Site’s Ban of Veteran Administrator|date=July 28, 2019|work=Breitbart|accessdate=July 28, 2019}}</ref>

== Wikipedia on bestiality ==

''See also:'' [[Wikipedia on bestiality]] and [[Atheism and bestiality]]

As noted earlier, the Wikipedia project was initiated by [[atheism|atheists]] and [[entrepreneur]] Jimmy Wales and the [[agnosticism|agnostic]] [[philosophy]] [[professor]] [[Larry Sanger]] on January 15, 2001.<ref>http://www.nndb.com/lists/288/000092012/</ref>

[[Bestiality]] is the act of engaging in sexual relations with an animal. As of July 18, 2012, Wikipedia's article on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia zoophilia/bestiality] has an entire section on "arguments for zoophilia" plus pictures depicting zoophilia as well as a section on "arguments against zoophilia". As of September 24, 2011, Wikipedia has a "[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law Zoophilia and the law"] article which has a section on the impact of zoophilia laws where eight alleged negative impacts of zoophilia laws are given, but no positive impacts of the laws are given.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law#Impact_of_laws|title=Impact of laws section of "Zoophilia and the law"|date=July 17, 2012|accessdate=July 18, 2012}}</ref>

See also: [[Atheism and bestiality]] and [[Evolutionary belief and bestiality]]
== Trademarks and domain names ==
The Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) uses the licensing of its trademarks as a tool to control local chapters. Although each local chapter is in theory an autonomous organization, each chapter signs a contract with the WMF as a condition for using its trademarks. The WMF also tried to stake out control over many domain names that contain the word "wiki" including "[[wikileaks]]". WikiLeaks and Wikipedia have no affiliation with each other. ("Wiki" describes a type of website and is not a trademark.)<ref>{{cite web |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLeaks_is_not_part_of_Wikipedia |title=Wikipedia:WikiLeaks is not part of Wikipedia |work=Wikipedia |publisher=[[Wikimedia Foundation]] |accessdate=September 17, 2012}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/online/wiki-giants-on-a-collision-course-over-shared-name-2065561.html |title=Wiki giants on a collision course over shared name |last1=Rawlinson |first1=Kevin |first2=Tom |last2=Peck |date=30 August 2010 |work=The Independent |location=London |accessdate=September 17, 2012}}</ref> Wikia did purchase several WikiLeaks-related domain names (including wikileaks.com and wikileaks.net) as a "protective brand measure" in 2007.<ref name=wikia>{{cite web |url=http://www.wikia.com/Press:Wikia_Does_Not_Own_Wikileaks_Domain_Names |title=Press:Wikia Does Not Own Wikileaks Domain Names |work=[[Wikia]] |publisher=[[Wikia]] |accessdate=September 17, 2012}}</ref> Wikia started to transfer those domain names to WikiLeaks on June 14, 2007, but the transfer was never completed, and Wikia held those domain names when the "Wikileaks scandal" broke.<ref name=wikia/>

== Humorous quotes concerning Wikipedia ==

"...dealing with the Wikipedians is like walking into a mental hospital: the floors are carpeted, the walls are nicely padded, but you know there’s a pretty good chance at any given moment one of the inmates will pick up a knife.” - quote from a ''[[New York Times]]'' article on Wikipedia written by the journalist and author Judith Newman<ref>[https://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/09/fashion/Wikipedia-Judith-Newman.html?smid=pl-share Wikipedia-Mania: Wikipedia, What Does Judith Newman Have to Do to Get a Page?]</ref>

An article entitled ''Wikipedia Gridlocked by Wikipedia Nerds'' declared:
{{Cquote|So who are these Gatekeepers to all the internet's knowledge?

A survey the foundation conducted last year determined that the average age of an editor is 26.8 years, and that 87% of them are men.

As you suspected: [[nerd]]s.<ref>http://gawker.com/5410917/wikipedia-gridlocked-by-wikipedia-nerds</ref>}}

Jimmy Wales said the typical profile of a Wikipedia contributor is "a 26-year-old geeky male" who moves on to other ventures, gets married, and leaves the website.<ref>[http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/5397593/Wikipedia-losing-contributors-founder-says Wikipedia losing contributors, founder says]</ref>

Seth Meyers noted on his ''Late Night'' program, "Wikipedia is now accepting donations using the online currency Bitcoin. So now you can support information you're not sure is true with currency you're not sure is money."<ref>http://www.thespec.com/living-story/4733681-tuesdayfile/ Retrieved August 8, 2014</ref>

When obscure author Patrick Modiano was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in October 2014, few journalists knew much about him. The person updating his Wikipedia biography to reflect the prize added this warning to the article, "To the Reporter Now Copying From Wikipedia: Be careful boy. Primary sources are still best for journos."<ref>{{cite news|url=http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/10/09/nobel_prize_winner_patrick_modiano_s_wikipedia_page_changed_to_add_note.html|title=A Reminder to Journalists Writing About the New Nobel Prize Winner, From Wikipedia|first=Forrest |last=Wickman|date=October 9, 2014|work=Slate|accessdate=October 10, 2014}}</ref><ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patrick_Modiano&diff=prev&oldid=628920987</ref>

==Unbiased editor recruitment==
Wikipedia claims that anyone can edit it. That is true to an extent,but its editor pool is self-selecting. However, on January 25–29, 2012, the Wikimedia Foundation paid for Gregory Varnum and others to attend and staff a booth at the "24th National Conference on LGBT Equality: Creating Change" conference in Baltimore, Maryland. The purpose of the Wikimedia booth was to recruit more LGBT activists to edit Wikipedia. Although Wikimedia has outreach efforts at other conferences, there has been no outreach at conservative events.

Wikipedia editor [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch Sarah Stierch] was the volunteer moderator of the Gender Gap email list where she departed from discussing Wikipedia to freely share her negative experiences with men in her life. In fall 2011, she was hired by the WMF as a Community Fellow to work on creating a "Teahouse" for newer Wikipedia editors. The report on the Teahouse Pilot Project<ref>{{cite web|url=http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Research:Teahouse/Pilot_Report&oldid=3832292|title=Teahouse: Pilot Report|date=June 14, 2012}}</ref> explained, "If you click through to the Teahouse, it’s clearly aiming to broaden female participation - just look at the pastel background and references to tea." Stierch tried to use Twitter to recruit more female editors into Teahouse and the English Wikipedia. The report concluded, "Because so much time and energy needed to be spend during the pilot on setting up and maintaining the space, we weren't able to focus as much as we'd have liked on gender-targeted strategies for recruiting female guests and hosts. There are clearly more experiments that need to be run in order to better integrate the space with other gender gap efforts and WikiWomen's calls to actions." The WMF terminated Stierch on January 9, 2014 following complaints of her moonlighting as a paid editor.<ref>http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2014-January/129466.html</ref>

On August 18, 2014, during the Congressional summer recess, the [[Cato Institute]] and Wikimedia DC jointly conducted a seminar to encourage Congressional staff members to edit Wikipedia about pending legislation and policy issues.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/08/18/a-call-to-edit-congress-and-wikipedia-told-to-peacefully-co-exist/|title=A call to edit: Congress and Wikipedia told to peacefully co-exist|first=Nancy|last=Scola|date=August 18, 2014|accessdate=August 22, 2014|work=Washington Post}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|url=https://www.c-span.org/video/?321030-1/discussion-wikipedia-government-transparency|date=August 18, 2014|accessdate=August 22, 2014|title=Wikipedia and Congress|work=C-SPAN}}</ref> The panel discussion included Michelle Newby, a full-time Cato employee who edits Wikipedia as a part of her job. She promised to work with any Congressional Staff that would be interested in editing.

==Flaws in governance structure==
Perhaps Wikipedia's greatest structural problem is Jimmy Wales' inability to remove himself from the process. He calls himself a "God-King" and rules the site with the style of [[monarchy]], robbing it of its potential to achieve some form of [[Jeffersonian]] [[democracy]] and accountability. Wales once speculated that all significant productivity emerged from his circle of a few hundred personal friends while the rest of the world groped along doing only spelling and punctuation mark corrections and other trivial modifications. The computer programmer and activist Aaron Swartz did a proper analysis and showed that the productivity was the results of many, many thousands of anonymous users. Swartz later committed [[suicide]].

Wales delegated the run-of-the-mill decision-marking to a hand-picked group he called the Arbitration Committee. They take months to make any decisions and dole out multi-month to multi-year or permanent intervention solutions. A reputable encyclopedia usually simply chooses an Editor-in-Chief, i.e. one reputable, mature and experienced person with one mind to make high-quality decisions rapidly and perhaps dispense moderate penalties when needed. Sanger served as such, but Wales, an [[Objectivist]] economics major and former stock options trader, opted to drastically reduce his salary when it became clear that the project would be a success, thus forcing him out. Wales has since been making a living, in part, by promoting his notions of governance of Internet-based projects, often emphasizing that users should remain anonymous and thus without any serious form of credential or reputation.

The problems are in the structure and in the personality flaws of Wales himself. Wales takes advantage of this vast pool of free labor to hunt his perceived enemies, somewhat in the style of [[L. Ron Hubbard]] or other such supposed founders of movements.{{fact}}

Equally important are the flawed steps that Wales took to separate the community of volunteer Wikipedia editors from the financial control of the enterprise. The servers and software are owned by the [[Wikimedia Foundation]] (WMF), a non-profit organization that at first was set up as a membership organization, but quickly changed to a non-membership organization so that members would not have any legal say regarding the organization. Although people who have made a required minimum number of edits per year can vote for members of the Arbitration Committee and for a minority of the WMF Board seats, at least one community-elected Board member was removed because he did not agree with the majority of the Board. Of course, Wales is guaranteed a perpetual WMF Board seat as a co-founder.

Originally, revenue from fundraising banners in the United States went to the WMF, but banner revenue in foreign countries went to the chapters located in those countries. In recent years, the WMF has consolidated all fundraising revenues, with national chapters being forced to apply for specific grants from the WMF.

To further complicate the financial controls, the WMF established a separate endowment at the [[Tides Foundation]] which is controlled by that foundation in consultation with an advisory board. Instead of having a community-selected advisory board or the entire WMF Board serving as the advisory board, the Tides Foundation appointed a new group with Wales and large donors serving. When the endowment reaches its fundraising target, the advisory board decides whether the funds should stay at the Tides Foundation, be transferred to the WMF, or used in some other way. So, if Wales has a falling out with the WMF Board over the next ten years, he and his hand-picked advisory board could take the Wikipedia endowment somewhere else. The editing community has no say in the endowment—who manages it or how the income will be spent.
==Core Policies==
Wikipedia has three policies that it calls its core policies. These are Neutral Point of View, Verifiability, and No Original Research. Despite designating these three policies as "core", Wikipedia barely even cares about them, especially with cases in regard to atheism. Wikipedia has reverted well-substantiated edits for disagreeing with atheism numerous times, gone several paragraphs on pro-atheism topics without citing a single source, banned Creation Ministries International employees for an indefinite amount of times despite said employees having not violated any written policy, and more.

==See also ==
*[[Examples of Bias in Wikipedia]]
*[[Previous Breaking News/Wikipedia|Articles about '''Wikipedia''' from previous "Breaking News"]]
*[[Essay:The Protocols of Ritual Defamation]]
*[[Wikipedia prejudice and KAL 007]] (Wikipedia deletion material related to [[New World Order]] and [[Larry McDonald]], touching [[Korean Airlines Flight 007]])
*[[Deletionpedia]]
*[[Essay:Wikipedia and Citizendium]]
*[[Wikipedia Governor Impeachment Cover-Up]]
*[[Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip - A Wikipedia Editor and Conservapedia Editor]]

==Further reading==
*[https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/21/conservatives-miss-wikipedias-threat/ SHEFFIELD: Conservatives miss Wikipedia's threat] by [[Washington Times]], August 21, 2008
*[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/06/wikipedia_and_overstock/print.html Wikipedia black helicopters circle Utah's Traverse Mountain], By Cade Metz, ''The Register'', 6 December 2007.
*[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/15/wikipedia_can_damage_your_grades/ Avoid Wikipedia, warns Wikipedia chief - It can seriously damage your grades] by Andrew Orlowski, ''The Register'', June 15, 2006
*[http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/18/wikipedia_quality_problem/ Wikipedia founder admits to serious quality problems] by Andrew Orlowski, ''The Register'', October 18, 2005
*[http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/whowriteswikipedia Who Writes Wikipedia?] by Aaron Swartz, 2006
*[https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/05/wikipedias-seven-worst-moments/ Wikipedia’s Seven Worst Moments] by Charlie Nash, ''Breitbart News'', July 5, 2016.
*[https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/wikipedia-and-astroturf/ Wikipedia and “Astroturf”] Sarah Chaffee, Evolution News. November 30, 2017 (Journalist [[Sharyl Attkisson]]).
*[https://oedb.org/ilibrarian/top-7-alternatives-to-wikipedia/ Top 7 Alternatives to Wikipedia] Open Education Database. (Includes Conservapedia along with six other online encyclopedias, criticizes Wikipedia for inaccuracies and hypocrisy.)

==References==
{{Reflist|colwidth=30em}}

==External links==
*[https://www.wikipedia.org Wikipedia]
*[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2013/01/2013-is-starting-off-to-be-bad-year-for.html Study shows that the world's biggest pro-evolution website is driving away newcomer editors! Also, video shows evolutionists at Wikipedia are clowns!]
*[http://www.wikipediocracy.com Wikipediocracy]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedia_controversies Wikipedia's List of Wikipedia controversies]
*[http://www.mises.org/story/2704 Wikipedia: What Is It Good For?], By Dick Clark, 9/19/2007. Retrieved from The Ludwig von Mises Institute, http://www.mises.org/ November 5, 2007.
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MoVLl_ne2Y Wikipedias' Own Cofounder Lambastes the Site for Bias]
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This is a project designed to help improve Conservapedia on articles pertaining to current and recent events.

==Members==
To join the Project, just add your name below!
*[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] - Created/Joined March 29, 2021
*[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:46, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
*[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:39, 5 April 2021 (EDT)

==Articles==
This is a list of articles that the Project is involved in. When adding new articles, if they are a new event of the day, add “'''- New'''” next to the article.

''Alphabetical order''

*[[45 Office]]
*[[Biden border crisis]]
*[[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]] - '''New'''
*[[Venegas v Space Exploration Technologies Corp]] - '''New'''

===Current events to create articles on or find where they go===
This list has either articles to be created or topics that are current events in the world, but might be best suited in an existing article. The goal is to create the articles (if for a separate article) or find and add the information to an existing article.

Conservapedia:Project Current Events

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This is a project designed to help improve Conservapedia on articles pertaining to current and recent events.

==Members==
To join the Project, just add your name below!
*[[User:Elijahandskip|Elijahandskip]] - Created/Joined March 29, 2021
*[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]] 18:46, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
*[[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:39, 5 April 2021 (EDT)

==Articles==
This is a list of articles that the Project is involved in. When adding new articles, if they are a new event of the day, add “'''- New'''” next to the article.

''Alphabetical order''

*[[45 Office]]
*[[Biden border crisis]]

===Current events to create articles on or find where they go===
This list has either articles to be created or topics that are current events in the world, but might be best suited in an existing article. The goal is to create the articles (if for a separate article) or find and add the information to an existing article.

Elijahandskip

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User:Elijahandskip

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Elijahandskip: /* Conservapedia Articles I started */ +1 (Article about me - 'Famous' Wikipedia editor)

Hello everyone. Let me start off by saying that '''I am a known (“famous”) Wikipedia editor''' and I hope to '''improve Conservapedia as well as Wikipedia'''.

'''On March 29, 2021, I started [[Conservapedia:Project Current Events]]'''. The Project has a similar idea to what Wikipedia's Current Event WikiProject, which I am the lead coordinator of. The goal is to improve articles relating to current events. Feel free to join and help!

==My Wikipedia Editing History/Fame==
In this section, you will find some of my Wikipedia history.

===My Mentions Outside Wikipedia===
As of this point in time, as a Wikipedia editor, I had 6 mentions outside Wikipedia which included news articles.

*I was '''(Unofficially) mentioned by News Akmi''' in their article '''Wikipedia Editors Censor Hunter Biden Bombshell, Call New York Post ‘Unreliable’ Source''' on October 15, 2020. -I wasn’t directly mentioned, however, one of my edits was linked to the article. I call that a mention. [https://newsakmi.com/news/usnews/wikipedia-editors-censor-hunter-biden-bombshell-call-new-york-post-unreliable-source/]

*I was '''mentioned by [[Breitbart News]]''' on October 22, 2020 in their article '''''Wikipedia Editors Label Biden Corruption Allegations ‘Conspiracy Theory’ After Censorship Attempts'''''. [https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/10/22/wikipedia-editors-label-biden-corruption-allegations-conspiracy-theory-after-censorship-attempts/]

*I was '''mentioned by Law Enforcement Today''' on October 27 in their article '''''Hunter Biden audio tape appears to confirm business dealings with “spy chief” of China'''''. [https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/hunter-biden-audio-tape-appears-to-confirm-business-dealings-with-spy-chief-of-china/]

*I was '''mentioned by Wollongong Memorial Gardens''' on February 12, 2021. [https://wollongongmemorialgardens.com.au/history/search-our-records/deceased-search?sq_content_src=%2BdXJsPWh0dHBzJTNBJTJGJTJGZW4ud2lraXBlZGlhLm9yZyUyRndpa2klMkZUYWxrJTNBRmlyc3RfaW1wZWFjaG1lbnRfaW5xdWlyeV9hZ2FpbnN0X0RvbmFsZF9UcnVtcCZhbGw9MQ%3D%3D]

*I was '''mentioned in the E-Book(PDF) ''Biden Ukraine Conspiracy Theory Wikipedia'''''. [https://kindabooks.biz/cgi.php?view=biden-ukraine-conspiracy-theory-wikipedia.pdf]

*I was '''mentioned by Science Wise (.info)''' - Discovered on March 30, 2021.

===Awards I received on Wikipedia===
*I have received 4 barnstars on Wikipedia.
*I have created over 2 dozen Wikipedia articles.
*3 articles I started were put on Wikipedia's "In The News" section on the main page.

===My Beliefs===
'''I stand for history. I believe history should always be stated, so I might not agree with Rfc outcomes on Wikipedia.''' The following things I do not agree with and I have had major arguments with other editors over (causing multiple RFC's that are dozens of pages long).
*'''I do not agree with''' the Wikipedia RFC that said the impeachment attempt against Gov. Mike DeWine is not notable enough to mention in his history of governorship.
*'''I do not agree with''' the fact that Wikipedia will not add information about "ItalyGate" into any articles, even articles about election fraud claim reactions.
*'''I do not agree with''' the fact that Wikipedia will not allow information about a $500 million lawsuit against Twitter (From the Hunter Biden laptop shop guy) to be added, but will allow an entire article about a $500 million lawsuit against CNN over defamation.

==Conservapedia Articles I started==
*'''[[Elijahandskip]]'''

*[[Piggy Bank Bandit]]
*[[Planned Parenthood v. Alaska]]
*[[Nunes v. CNN]]
*[[Wikipedia Governor Impeachment Cover-Up]]
*[[Cancellation of Captain Underpants]]
*[[Bigelow Aerospace V. NASA]]
*[[45 Office]]
*[[Dominican Republic tar scandal]]
*[[Elliot Wilke]]
*[[Yamil Abreu Navarro]]
*[[List of United States tornadoes from January 2021]]
*[[PPP Extension Act of 2021]]
*[[2021 Niger coup attempt]]
*[[Venegas v Space Exploration Technologies Corp]]
*[[Colonial Pipeline cyberattack]]
*[[Hattiesburg plane crash]]

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Elijahandskip: forgot ref section