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User talk:Ferret/2012ElectionOdds

2012-01-01T22:09:16Z

EzrahJay: /* Not buying it */

== Not buying it ==
Sorry I don't trust any 'poll' that tells me Conservatives favor a mormon, maybe some fringe pseudo-liberals like to stack the vote for him but most of us are good Christians.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 16:58, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:Polls have consistently shown Romney to hold to a high 20s-low 30s.--[[User:GFitz|GFitz]] 17:00, 1 January 2012 (EST)
::Polls can say anything. A Mormon is no more acceptable to Conservatives than the Muslim is!--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 17:09, 1 January 2012 (EST)

User talk:Ferret/2012ElectionOdds

2012-01-01T21:58:32Z

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Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2012-01-01T06:59:10Z

EzrahJay: /* Pink drivers' license */

Ron Paul? Really? Who wants us out of all foreign soils, is vastly anti-Israel, and thinks the War on Drugs is a terrible injustice for the 'poor oppressed black people' the left of America loves to constantly hide behind? I don't think he belongs on this list! If you want my vote, Tebow all the way!--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:It is actually possible to be conservative while not supporting Israel and the (pointless) Iraq war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 18:41, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::Is it? One would think the spread of democracy and honoring our relationship with Israel were core Conservative views.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::I agree with Ezrah. Just not enough conservative positions that I can support, many things I oppose. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 18:53, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::Thank you, I worry many Conservatives are duped by Paul's stance on government intervention and forget how much of a sleeper agent he is for the radical left.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:56, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::Democracy hasn't actually spread to Iraq, as you can see from this week's news, and I don't see how being an American conservative means you have to support a relatively new Middle Eastern state. It's not like they do much for us in exchange for all we give them, and that $4 billion a year might just be better left in the pockets of American taxpayers. As for Ron Paul I don't support him myself; his views on drugs are just crazy, among other things. The war on drugs could be a lot better run than it is being now, but you could say the same for WW2 in 1942; that's no reason to just give it up. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 18:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::Ron Paul is much more of a libertarian than a conservative. The man, on many social issues, does not agree with [[conservative values]]. America needs a strong conservative, like [[Rick Perry]], who supports many of the American conservative values.--[[User:GFitz|GFitz]] 18:59, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::I'm sorry but Paul's support of withdrawl and ignoring terrorist threats is why Democracy has 'failed' Iraq, as it is a LEFTIST policy at its core. A Conservative understands that you can't leave work half done and expect results.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 19:02, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::No, democracy has failed in Iraq because we unwisely removed the one regime that was capable of keeping a lid on their tribalism and sectarian stupidity. Saddam was terrible for the Iraqi people but just fine for us. Now we've basically handed all Iraq's resources to the pro-Iranian Shia and the communist Kurdish rebels, while throwing away the chance to stabilise Afghanistan by putting enough resources in early enough to make a difference. No other result could have been expected, which is why many in the military and most of our allies opposed the war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:15, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::I have no beef with taking Paul off the list though. GFitz is right; he's not a real conservative. I just don't think his Middle Eastern policy has anything to do with that. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:17, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I think Ron Paul should be on the list. No-one has a monopoly on the term "conservative". Well-meaning people can disagree on exactly what actions are termed conservative or not. He should at least be in the running for the award, even if some people don't believe he has the right position on some issues. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 23:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::I think Dmitri Medvedev definitely SHOULDN'T be. Never mind that he's Putin's stooge; he leads a country that's one step away from a totalitarian state, protects Iran from sanctions and supplies advanced weapons to China. Just because he's tightened the law on advertising abortions - and that's ALL he's done; actual abortion law hasn't been tightened at all - doesn't make him conservative. I think some people around here really need to get some perspective. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 08:44, 31 December 2011 (EST)

-Trump? Really? Are we looking for the conservative of the year or just who said the meanest things about Obama that we like? Trump is far from Conservative. Governor John Kasich for 'honoring a basketball player'? Seriously? Is this a joke? Why not just put pro-wrestler HHH on there because he has shown himself to be anti-union? Also, as a point of fact, Tebow is great but his team is not in first place.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 13:03, 31 December 2011 (EST)

:It doesn't say that Tebow's team is in first place now. It says -- correctly -- that Tebow took his team from last to first place.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:39, 31 December 2011 (EST)
-Tim's team is not in first place, it's an objective lie to say he 'took' them to first place.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:15, 1 January 2012 (EST)
== Pink drivers' license ==

Maybe I'm dumb or something, but how is bitching about the color of a license conservative? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 23:27, 31 December 2011 (EST)

:Why did the media complain about Kasich's criticism?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:37, 31 December 2011 (EST)
::Maybe because it didn't make any sense. What's wrong with a pink license? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 23:41, 31 December 2011 (EST)
:::The media didn't complain (or, in very non-objective terms used here, 'whine') because they disliked it, they complained because it was so absurd it can't be taken seriously, he was made fun of not insulted.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 01:59, 1 January 2012 (EST)

== Wait What? ==

So wait what, the winner is someone who increased spending and only got on the news for honoring a sports guy and pink IDs for some reason?!--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:09, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:Yeah, I asked about the pink license thing too. I mean what's the big deal about that? I don't care how liberal the media were, they were right; the guy was just bitching about the COLOR of a piece of paper. Like the world doesn't have worse problems? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 00:11, 1 January 2012 (EST)

== General McChrystal ==

I'm not impressed that I tried to add an outstanding American officer to this list and his name was deleted, while Shockofgod - who's basically an idiot - was allowed to remain. On what grounds is Gen. McChrystal less worthy than Shock or Nephilimfree? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 00:09, 1 January 2012 (EST)

-I'd love to know why this man was removed and random CP users were kept on in pure back-slapping ego.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:38, 1 January 2012 (EST)
::Nobody's allowed to criticise Shockofgod here because he's one of the Question Evolution! campaign's two supporters. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 01:14, 1 January 2012 (EST)

:General McChrystal was fired months '''''before''''' 2011, and was not known to be a [[conservative]]. He ended up teaching a course at a [[liberal]] college.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:57, 1 January 2012 (EST)
::He still existed in 2011 and he's still a conservative. I served under him and there's no way he's a liberal. He deserves recognition a lot more than someone who wants to waste taxpayers' money by changing a few million driving licences just cause he doesn't like the color. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 01:13, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:::And if he's teaching at a liberal college that's excellent; he can tell those students a few things. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 01:16, 1 January 2012 (EST)

::::I'd like to see any quotes by General McChrystal which are [[conservative]], or any published claims that he is somehow a conservative.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 01:18, 1 January 2012 (EST)

:::::Do you only recognise quotes, or do his background and actions count? His brother is a retired full-bird Colonel and a Christian minister with the Assemblies of God. General McChrystal himself prayed twice a day on operations and also led his staff in prayer most days. He pushed hard for action against terrorists and commanded the operation that killed al Zarqawi. Even those SAS maniacs like him. Of course maybe killing terrorists isn't as conservative as hating pink paper, in which case sure, spit on my General. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 01:29, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:::::::He's a sure load more conservative than Donald Trump who was put on the list merely for saying things about Obama, he deserves at least a chance. I'd love to hear justification for why a governor who spent more than the state had is the conservative of the year just for snubbing a mouthy basketball player and being strange about pink paper.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 01:35, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Conservative of the Year 2011

2012-01-01T06:50:56Z

EzrahJay:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Tentative Rank
!Name
!Achievements
!Comments
|-
|1
|Governor [[John Kasich]]
|led [[Ohio]] to #3 in [[abortion legislation 2011]], enacted [[conservative]] [[economic]] reforms, honored the player who routed media-favorite [[LeBron James]] in the [[NBA]] finals, and criticized Ohio's pink drivers licenses; never backed down when liberals whined about him
|a [[conservative]] leader in a [[swing state]], and an example for 49 governors and the president to follow, except for in spending where is state went up by 11% in government spending.
|-
|2
|Congressman [[Allen West]]
|public stance against Obama and [[Democrat]]s
|one of the few in [[Congress]] who actually speaks the truth; could be a future candidate for president
|-
|3
|[[Quarterback]] [[Tim Tebow]]
|inspiring millions with his pro-[[Christian]], [[pro-life]] attitude while taking his [[NFL]] team from last to first place
|ducked a question about whether he supports [[same-sex marriage]]
|-
|4
|Governor [[Sam Brownback]]
|signed the best set of [[pro-life]] bills in the nation into law in [[Kansas]], and has withstood [[liberal]] claptrap against him
|could be a future candidate for president
|-
|5
|Governor [[Scott Walker]]
|standing up to the government workers' unions in [[Wisconsin]]
|though [[pro-life]], Walker achieved nothing on the issue thus is vulnerable to a recall in 2012
|-
|6
|[[U.S. Senator]] [[Jim Inhofe]]
|led [[Congress]] in rejecting the [[global warming]] hoax, and agreed to debate gasbag [[Ralph Nader]] on the topic<ref>http://newsok.com/oklahoma-sen.-jim-inhofe-accepts-challenge-from-ralph-nader-to-debate-global-warming/article/3631675</ref>
|Inhofe is frequently the most [[conservative]] person in the [[U.S. Senate]]
|-
|7
|Attorney General [[Ken Cuccinelli]]
|continuing his challenge on behalf of [[Virginia]] to [[ObamaCare]] in the courts and stood up to liberals on other issues
|seemed to do more in 2010, but remains a strong potential candidate for Governor in the next election
|-
|8
|[[Russia]]n President [[Dmitry Medvedev]]
|signing "a requirement for [[abortion]] advertisers to inform women about the risks associated with the procedure, including the loss of fertility"<ref>http://www.christianpost.com/news/russia-passes-pro-life-law-52482/</ref> - the first [[pro-life]] law there since [[communism]]
|Despite being [[Christian]], some claim his approach is neo-Stalinist
|-
|9
|[[U.S. Senator]] [[Ron Johnson]]
|[[filibuster]]ed [[Obama]]'s liberal nominations for judgeships within the [[Seventh Circuit]], forcing Obama to withdraw them.<ref>http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/mailbag/glenn-sugameli-ron-johnson-still-blocking-ok-for-judges/article_8cab8605-2a35-540e-8f11-b123f7d772b7.html</ref>
|has failed to vote against other liberal nominations for judgeships, even when fellow [[conservatives]] vote "Nay"
|-
|10
|[[Joe Arpaio]]
|his outstanding law enforcement abilities and for being a thorn to [[Eric Holder]]'s Justice Department
|
|-
|11
|[[Nephilimfree]]
|persistent efforts to counter non-creation science on YouTube
|Arguably does more harm to the cause with outlandish claims. Admitted that he peruses escort websites. However has recently allowed uncensored comments on his videos unlike some others and doesn't hesitate to respond to challenges.
|-
|12
|[[Ron Paul]]
|did well in the [[Presidential Election 2012|presidential race]] with his principled views
|Though excellent on [[economic]] issues and pro-life, Paul supports the decriminalization of illegal drugs, and opposes a United States alliance with Israel.
|-
|13
|[[Donald Trump]]
|criticized [[Obama]] on key issues
|folded and even abandoned the [[Republican Party]] after celebrities began criticizing him
|-
|14
|[[Shockofgod]]
|Pinning atheists with questions they have never been able to answer. Has challenged the leading YouTube atheists and [[Penn Jillette]] to debate him, but they have declined. Shockofgod and the [[PPsimmons]] YouTube channels have promoted the [[Question evolution campaign]]. Challenged the atheist [[Thunderf00t]] to debate the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions for evolutionists] and he declined.
|Has been criticized by atheists for simply removing (rather than responding to) more complex challenges. Only allows censored comments on videos.
|}

== References ==

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[[Category:politics]]

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2012-01-01T06:35:38Z

EzrahJay: /* General McChrystal */

Ron Paul? Really? Who wants us out of all foreign soils, is vastly anti-Israel, and thinks the War on Drugs is a terrible injustice for the 'poor oppressed black people' the left of America loves to constantly hide behind? I don't think he belongs on this list! If you want my vote, Tebow all the way!--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:It is actually possible to be conservative while not supporting Israel and the (pointless) Iraq war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 18:41, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::Is it? One would think the spread of democracy and honoring our relationship with Israel were core Conservative views.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::I agree with Ezrah. Just not enough conservative positions that I can support, many things I oppose. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 18:53, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::Thank you, I worry many Conservatives are duped by Paul's stance on government intervention and forget how much of a sleeper agent he is for the radical left.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:56, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::Democracy hasn't actually spread to Iraq, as you can see from this week's news, and I don't see how being an American conservative means you have to support a relatively new Middle Eastern state. It's not like they do much for us in exchange for all we give them, and that $4 billion a year might just be better left in the pockets of American taxpayers. As for Ron Paul I don't support him myself; his views on drugs are just crazy, among other things. The war on drugs could be a lot better run than it is being now, but you could say the same for WW2 in 1942; that's no reason to just give it up. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 18:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::Ron Paul is much more of a libertarian than a conservative. The man, on many social issues, does not agree with [[conservative values]]. America needs a strong conservative, like [[Rick Perry]], who supports many of the American conservative values.--[[User:GFitz|GFitz]] 18:59, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::I'm sorry but Paul's support of withdrawl and ignoring terrorist threats is why Democracy has 'failed' Iraq, as it is a LEFTIST policy at its core. A Conservative understands that you can't leave work half done and expect results.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 19:02, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::No, democracy has failed in Iraq because we unwisely removed the one regime that was capable of keeping a lid on their tribalism and sectarian stupidity. Saddam was terrible for the Iraqi people but just fine for us. Now we've basically handed all Iraq's resources to the pro-Iranian Shia and the communist Kurdish rebels, while throwing away the chance to stabilise Afghanistan by putting enough resources in early enough to make a difference. No other result could have been expected, which is why many in the military and most of our allies opposed the war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:15, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::I have no beef with taking Paul off the list though. GFitz is right; he's not a real conservative. I just don't think his Middle Eastern policy has anything to do with that. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:17, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I think Ron Paul should be on the list. No-one has a monopoly on the term "conservative". Well-meaning people can disagree on exactly what actions are termed conservative or not. He should at least be in the running for the award, even if some people don't believe he has the right position on some issues. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 23:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::I think Dmitri Medvedev definitely SHOULDN'T be. Never mind that he's Putin's stooge; he leads a country that's one step away from a totalitarian state, protects Iran from sanctions and supplies advanced weapons to China. Just because he's tightened the law on advertising abortions - and that's ALL he's done; actual abortion law hasn't been tightened at all - doesn't make him conservative. I think some people around here really need to get some perspective. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 08:44, 31 December 2011 (EST)

-Trump? Really? Are we looking for the conservative of the year or just who said the meanest things about Obama that we like? Trump is far from Conservative. Governor John Kasich for 'honoring a basketball player'? Seriously? Is this a joke? Why not just put pro-wrestler HHH on there because he has shown himself to be anti-union? Also, as a point of fact, Tebow is great but his team is not in first place.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 13:03, 31 December 2011 (EST)

:It doesn't say that Tebow's team is in first place now. It says -- correctly -- that Tebow took his team from last to first place.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:39, 31 December 2011 (EST)
-Tim's team is not in first place, it's an objective lie to say he 'took' them to first place.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:15, 1 January 2012 (EST)
== Pink drivers' license ==

Maybe I'm dumb or something, but how is bitching about the color of a license conservative? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 23:27, 31 December 2011 (EST)

:Why did the media complain about Kasich's criticism?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:37, 31 December 2011 (EST)
::Maybe because it didn't make any sense. What's wrong with a pink license? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 23:41, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Wait What? ==

So wait what, the winner is someone who increased spending and only got on the news for honoring a sports guy and pink IDs for some reason?!--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:09, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:Yeah, I asked about the pink license thing too. I mean what's the big deal about that? I don't care how liberal the media were, they were right; the guy was just bitching about the COLOR of a piece of paper. Like the world doesn't have worse problems? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 00:11, 1 January 2012 (EST)

== General McChrystal ==

I'm not impressed that I tried to add an outstanding American officer to this list and his name was deleted, while Shockofgod - who's basically an idiot - was allowed to remain. On what grounds is Gen. McChrystal less worthy than Shock or Nephilimfree? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 00:09, 1 January 2012 (EST)

-I'd love to know why this man was removed and random CP users were kept on in pure back-slapping ego.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:38, 1 January 2012 (EST)
::Nobody's allowed to criticise Shockofgod here because he's one of the Question Evolution! campaign's two supporters. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 01:14, 1 January 2012 (EST)

:General McChrystal was fired months '''''before''''' 2011, and was not known to be a [[conservative]]. He ended up teaching a course at a [[liberal]] college.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 00:57, 1 January 2012 (EST)
::He still existed in 2011 and he's still a conservative. I served under him and there's no way he's a liberal. He deserves recognition a lot more than someone who wants to waste taxpayers' money by changing a few million driving licences just cause he doesn't like the color. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 01:13, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:::And if he's teaching at a liberal college that's excellent; he can tell those students a few things. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 01:16, 1 January 2012 (EST)

::::I'd like to see any quotes by General McChrystal which are [[conservative]], or any published claims that he is somehow a conservative.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 01:18, 1 January 2012 (EST)

:::::Do you only recognise quotes, or do his background and actions count? His brother is a retired full-bird Colonel and a Christian minister with the Assemblies of God. General McChrystal himself prayed twice a day on operations and also led his staff in prayer most days. He pushed hard for action against terrorists and commanded the operation that killed al Zarqawi. Even those SAS maniacs like him. Of course maybe killing terrorists isn't as conservative as hating pink paper, in which case sure, spit on my General. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 01:29, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:::::::He's a sure load more conservative than Donald Trump who was put on the list merely for saying things about Obama, he deserves at least a chance. I'd love to hear justification for why a governor who spent more than the state had is the conservative of the year just for snubbing a mouthy basketball player and being strange about pink paper.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 01:35, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2012-01-01T05:38:37Z

EzrahJay: /* General McChrystal */

Ron Paul? Really? Who wants us out of all foreign soils, is vastly anti-Israel, and thinks the War on Drugs is a terrible injustice for the 'poor oppressed black people' the left of America loves to constantly hide behind? I don't think he belongs on this list! If you want my vote, Tebow all the way!--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:It is actually possible to be conservative while not supporting Israel and the (pointless) Iraq war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 18:41, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::Is it? One would think the spread of democracy and honoring our relationship with Israel were core Conservative views.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::I agree with Ezrah. Just not enough conservative positions that I can support, many things I oppose. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 18:53, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::Thank you, I worry many Conservatives are duped by Paul's stance on government intervention and forget how much of a sleeper agent he is for the radical left.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:56, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::Democracy hasn't actually spread to Iraq, as you can see from this week's news, and I don't see how being an American conservative means you have to support a relatively new Middle Eastern state. It's not like they do much for us in exchange for all we give them, and that $4 billion a year might just be better left in the pockets of American taxpayers. As for Ron Paul I don't support him myself; his views on drugs are just crazy, among other things. The war on drugs could be a lot better run than it is being now, but you could say the same for WW2 in 1942; that's no reason to just give it up. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 18:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::Ron Paul is much more of a libertarian than a conservative. The man, on many social issues, does not agree with [[conservative values]]. America needs a strong conservative, like [[Rick Perry]], who supports many of the American conservative values.--[[User:GFitz|GFitz]] 18:59, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::I'm sorry but Paul's support of withdrawl and ignoring terrorist threats is why Democracy has 'failed' Iraq, as it is a LEFTIST policy at its core. A Conservative understands that you can't leave work half done and expect results.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 19:02, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::No, democracy has failed in Iraq because we unwisely removed the one regime that was capable of keeping a lid on their tribalism and sectarian stupidity. Saddam was terrible for the Iraqi people but just fine for us. Now we've basically handed all Iraq's resources to the pro-Iranian Shia and the communist Kurdish rebels, while throwing away the chance to stabilise Afghanistan by putting enough resources in early enough to make a difference. No other result could have been expected, which is why many in the military and most of our allies opposed the war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:15, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::I have no beef with taking Paul off the list though. GFitz is right; he's not a real conservative. I just don't think his Middle Eastern policy has anything to do with that. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:17, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I think Ron Paul should be on the list. No-one has a monopoly on the term "conservative". Well-meaning people can disagree on exactly what actions are termed conservative or not. He should at least be in the running for the award, even if some people don't believe he has the right position on some issues. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 23:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::I think Dmitri Medvedev definitely SHOULDN'T be. Never mind that he's Putin's stooge; he leads a country that's one step away from a totalitarian state, protects Iran from sanctions and supplies advanced weapons to China. Just because he's tightened the law on advertising abortions - and that's ALL he's done; actual abortion law hasn't been tightened at all - doesn't make him conservative. I think some people around here really need to get some perspective. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 08:44, 31 December 2011 (EST)

-Trump? Really? Are we looking for the conservative of the year or just who said the meanest things about Obama that we like? Trump is far from Conservative. Governor John Kasich for 'honoring a basketball player'? Seriously? Is this a joke? Why not just put pro-wrestler HHH on there because he has shown himself to be anti-union? Also, as a point of fact, Tebow is great but his team is not in first place.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 13:03, 31 December 2011 (EST)

:It doesn't say that Tebow's team is in first place now. It says -- correctly -- that Tebow took his team from last to first place.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:39, 31 December 2011 (EST)
-Tim's team is not in first place, it's an objective lie to say he 'took' them to first place.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:15, 1 January 2012 (EST)
== Pink drivers' license ==

Maybe I'm dumb or something, but how is bitching about the color of a license conservative? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 23:27, 31 December 2011 (EST)

:Why did the media complain about Kasich's criticism?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:37, 31 December 2011 (EST)
::Maybe because it didn't make any sense. What's wrong with a pink license? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 23:41, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Wait What? ==

So wait what, the winner is someone who increased spending and only got on the news for honoring a sports guy and pink IDs for some reason?!--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:09, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:Yeah, I asked about the pink license thing too. I mean what's the big deal about that? I don't care how liberal the media were, they were right; the guy was just bitching about the COLOR of a piece of paper. Like the world doesn't have worse problems? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 00:11, 1 January 2012 (EST)

== General McChrystal ==

I'm not impressed that I tried to add an outstanding American officer to this list and his name was deleted, while Shockofgod - who's basically an idiot - was allowed to remain. On what grounds is Gen. McChrystal less worthy than Shock or Nephilimfree? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 00:09, 1 January 2012 (EST)

-I'd love to know why this man was removed and random CP users were kept on in pure back-slapping ego.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:38, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2012-01-01T05:15:38Z

EzrahJay:

Ron Paul? Really? Who wants us out of all foreign soils, is vastly anti-Israel, and thinks the War on Drugs is a terrible injustice for the 'poor oppressed black people' the left of America loves to constantly hide behind? I don't think he belongs on this list! If you want my vote, Tebow all the way!--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:It is actually possible to be conservative while not supporting Israel and the (pointless) Iraq war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 18:41, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::Is it? One would think the spread of democracy and honoring our relationship with Israel were core Conservative views.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:49, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::I agree with Ezrah. Just not enough conservative positions that I can support, many things I oppose. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 18:53, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::Thank you, I worry many Conservatives are duped by Paul's stance on government intervention and forget how much of a sleeper agent he is for the radical left.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:56, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::Democracy hasn't actually spread to Iraq, as you can see from this week's news, and I don't see how being an American conservative means you have to support a relatively new Middle Eastern state. It's not like they do much for us in exchange for all we give them, and that $4 billion a year might just be better left in the pockets of American taxpayers. As for Ron Paul I don't support him myself; his views on drugs are just crazy, among other things. The war on drugs could be a lot better run than it is being now, but you could say the same for WW2 in 1942; that's no reason to just give it up. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 18:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::Ron Paul is much more of a libertarian than a conservative. The man, on many social issues, does not agree with [[conservative values]]. America needs a strong conservative, like [[Rick Perry]], who supports many of the American conservative values.--[[User:GFitz|GFitz]] 18:59, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::I'm sorry but Paul's support of withdrawl and ignoring terrorist threats is why Democracy has 'failed' Iraq, as it is a LEFTIST policy at its core. A Conservative understands that you can't leave work half done and expect results.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 19:02, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::No, democracy has failed in Iraq because we unwisely removed the one regime that was capable of keeping a lid on their tribalism and sectarian stupidity. Saddam was terrible for the Iraqi people but just fine for us. Now we've basically handed all Iraq's resources to the pro-Iranian Shia and the communist Kurdish rebels, while throwing away the chance to stabilise Afghanistan by putting enough resources in early enough to make a difference. No other result could have been expected, which is why many in the military and most of our allies opposed the war. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:15, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::I have no beef with taking Paul off the list though. GFitz is right; he's not a real conservative. I just don't think his Middle Eastern policy has anything to do with that. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 19:17, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I think Ron Paul should be on the list. No-one has a monopoly on the term "conservative". Well-meaning people can disagree on exactly what actions are termed conservative or not. He should at least be in the running for the award, even if some people don't believe he has the right position on some issues. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 23:57, 30 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::I think Dmitri Medvedev definitely SHOULDN'T be. Never mind that he's Putin's stooge; he leads a country that's one step away from a totalitarian state, protects Iran from sanctions and supplies advanced weapons to China. Just because he's tightened the law on advertising abortions - and that's ALL he's done; actual abortion law hasn't been tightened at all - doesn't make him conservative. I think some people around here really need to get some perspective. --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 08:44, 31 December 2011 (EST)

-Trump? Really? Are we looking for the conservative of the year or just who said the meanest things about Obama that we like? Trump is far from Conservative. Governor John Kasich for 'honoring a basketball player'? Seriously? Is this a joke? Why not just put pro-wrestler HHH on there because he has shown himself to be anti-union? Also, as a point of fact, Tebow is great but his team is not in first place.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 13:03, 31 December 2011 (EST)

:It doesn't say that Tebow's team is in first place now. It says -- correctly -- that Tebow took his team from last to first place.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:39, 31 December 2011 (EST)
-Tim's team is not in first place, it's an objective lie to say he 'took' them to first place.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:15, 1 January 2012 (EST)
== Pink drivers' license ==

Maybe I'm dumb or something, but how is bitching about the color of a license conservative? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 23:27, 31 December 2011 (EST)

:Why did the media complain about Kasich's criticism?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:37, 31 December 2011 (EST)
::Maybe because it didn't make any sense. What's wrong with a pink license? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 23:41, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Wait What? ==

So wait what, the winner is someone who increased spending and only got on the news for honoring a sports guy and pink IDs for some reason?!--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 00:09, 1 January 2012 (EST)
:Yeah, I asked about the pink license thing too. I mean what's the big deal about that? I don't care how liberal the media were, they were right; the guy was just bitching about the COLOR of a piece of paper. Like the world doesn't have worse problems? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 00:11, 1 January 2012 (EST)

== General McChrystal ==

I'm not impressed that I tried to add an outstanding American officer to this list and his name was deleted, while Shockofgod - who's basically an idiot - was allowed to remain. On what grounds is Gen. McChrystal less worthy than Shock or Nephilimfree? --[[User:ArtWellesley|ArtWellesley]] 00:09, 1 January 2012 (EST)

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2012-01-01T05:09:12Z

EzrahJay:

Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-31T20:07:44Z

EzrahJay:

Nominations are welcome '''until 3pm ET Saturday''' for the '''Conservative of the Year''' for 2011:

== Nominations ==

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Name
!Achievements
!Comments
|-
|Governor [[Scott Walker]]
|standing up to the government workers' unions in [[Wisconsin]]
|though [[pro-life]], Walker achieved nothing on the issue thus is vulnerable to a recall in 2012
|-
|[[Quarterback]] [[Tim Tebow]]
|inspiring millions with his pro-[[Christian]], [[pro-life]] attitude while taking his [[NFL]] team from last to a respectable place
|ducked a question about whether he supports [[same-sex marriage]]
|-
|Congressman [[Allen West]]
|public stance against Obama and [[Democrat]]s
|
|-
|Governor [[Sam Brownback]]
|signed a series of [[pro-life]] bills into law in [[Kansas]] and withstanding [[liberal]] claptrap against him
|
|-
|Attorney General [[Ken Cuccinelli]]
|continuing his challenge on behalf of [[Virginia]] to [[ObamaCare]] in the courts and stood up to liberals on other issues
|seemed to do more in 2010
|-
|[[Russia]]n President [[Dmitry Medvedev]]
|signing "a requirement for [[abortion]] advertisers to inform women about the risks associated with the procedure, including the loss of fertility"<ref>http://www.christianpost.com/news/russia-passes-pro-life-law-52482/</ref> - the first [[pro-life]] law there since [[communism]]
|
|-
|[[U.S. Senator]] [[Ron Johnson]]
|[[filibuster]]ed [[Obama]]'s liberal nominations for judgeships within the [[Seventh Circuit]], forcing Obama to withdraw them.<ref>http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/mailbag/glenn-sugameli-ron-johnson-still-blocking-ok-for-judges/article_8cab8605-2a35-540e-8f11-b123f7d772b7.html</ref>
|
|-
|[[Joe Arpaio]]
|his outstanding law enforcement abilities and for being a thorn to [[Eric Holder]]'s Justice Department
|
|-
|[[Nephilimfree]]
|persistent efforts to counter non-creation science on YouTube
|
|-
|[[U.S. Senator]] [[Jim Inhofe]]
|led [[Congress]] in rejecting the [[global warming]] hoax, and agrees to debate gasbag [[Ralph Nader]] on the topic.<ref>http://newsok.com/oklahoma-sen.-jim-inhofe-accepts-challenge-from-ralph-nader-to-debate-global-warming/article/3631675</ref>
|
|-
|Governor [[John Kasich]]
|led [[Ohio]] to enact [[conservative]] economic and social reforms, and honored the star player who defeated [[LeBron James]] in the [[NBA]] finals
|
|-
|[[Ron Paul]]
|did well in the [[Presidential Election 2012|presidential race]] with his principled views
|Though excellent on [[economic]] issues and pro-life, Paul supports the decriminalization of illegal drugs, and opposes a United States alliance with Israel.
|-
|[[Donald Trump]]
|criticized [[Obama]] on key issues
|folded and even abandoned the [[Republican Party]] after celebrities began criticizing him
|-
|[[Shockofgod]]
|Pinning atheists with questions they have never been able to answer.
|
|}

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== References ==

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[[Category:politics]]

Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-31T19:29:43Z

EzrahJay:

Nominations are welcome '''until 3pm ET Saturday''' for the '''Conservative of the Year''' for 2011:

== Nominations ==

{| class="wikitable"
|-
!Name
!Achievements
!Comments
|-
|Governor [[Scott Walker]]
|standing up to the government workers' unions in [[Wisconsin]]
|though [[pro-life]], Walker achieved nothing on the issue thus is vulnerable to a recall in 2012
|-
|[[Quarterback]] [[Tim Tebow]]
|inspiring millions with his pro-[[Christian]], [[pro-life]] attitude while taking his [[NFL]] team from last to a respectable standing
|ducked a question about whether he supports [[same-sex marriage]]
|-
|Congressman [[Allen West]]
|public stance against Obama and [[Democrat]]s
|
|-
|Governor [[Sam Brownback]]
|signed a series of [[pro-life]] bills into law in [[Kansas]] and withstanding [[liberal]] claptrap against him
|
|-
|Attorney General [[Ken Cuccinelli]]
|continuing his challenge on behalf of [[Virginia]] to [[ObamaCare]] in the courts and stood up to liberals on other issues
|seemed to do more in 2010
|-
|[[Russia]]n President [[Dmitry Medvedev]]
|signing "a requirement for [[abortion]] advertisers to inform women about the risks associated with the procedure, including the loss of fertility"<ref>http://www.christianpost.com/news/russia-passes-pro-life-law-52482/</ref> - the first [[pro-life]] law there since [[communism]]
|
|-
|[[U.S. Senator]] [[Ron Johnson]]
|[[filibuster]]ed [[Obama]]'s liberal nominations for judgeships within the [[Seventh Circuit]], forcing Obama to withdraw them.<ref>http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/mailbag/glenn-sugameli-ron-johnson-still-blocking-ok-for-judges/article_8cab8605-2a35-540e-8f11-b123f7d772b7.html</ref>
|
|-
|[[Joe Arpaio]]
|his outstanding law enforcement abilities and for being a thorn to [[Eric Holder]]'s Justice Department
|
|-
|[[Nephilimfree]]
|persistent efforts to counter non-creation science on YouTube
|
|-
|[[U.S. Senator]] [[Jim Inhofe]]
|led [[Congress]] in rejecting the [[global warming]] hoax, and agrees to debate gasbag [[Ralph Nader]] on the topic.<ref>http://newsok.com/oklahoma-sen.-jim-inhofe-accepts-challenge-from-ralph-nader-to-debate-global-warming/article/3631675</ref>
|
|-
|Governor [[John Kasich]]
|led [[Ohio]] to enact [[conservative]] economic and social reforms, and honored the star player who defeated [[LeBron James]] in the [[NBA]] finals
|
|-
|[[Ron Paul]]
|did well in the [[Presidential Election 2012|presidential race]] with his principled views
|Though excellent on [[economic]] issues and pro-life, Paul supports the decriminalization of illegal drugs, and opposes a United States alliance with Israel.
|-
|[[Donald Trump]]
|criticized [[Obama]] on key issues
|folded and even abandoned the [[Republican Party]] after celebrities began criticizing him
|}

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== References ==

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[[Category:politics]]

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-31T18:03:18Z

EzrahJay:

Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-31T00:05:31Z

EzrahJay:

Nominations are welcome for the '''Conservative of the Year''' for 2011:

== Nominations ==

*[[Scott Walker]], for standing up to the government workers' unions
*[[Tim Tebow]], for inspiring millions with his pro-[[Christian]], [[pro-life]] attitude while taking his [[NFL]] team from last to first place
*[[Nephilimfree]],(real name Evan Philips) for his persistent efforts to counter non-creation science on YouTube.
*[[Allen West]], for his public stance against Obama and [[Democrat]]s.

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[[Category:politics]]

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-31T00:02:42Z

EzrahJay:

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-30T23:56:17Z

EzrahJay:

Talk:Shellfish

2011-12-30T23:54:42Z

EzrahJay:

[[User:Christ]]: Can you cite a source shellfish belong in Cat;things condemned by God? [[User:RobS|RobS]] 17:21, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

If I may ask, why do many on the right not agree with me that shellfish should also be prohibited, as we prohibit premarital sex and homosexuals? Is that debate a valid topic to add?
:May I ask you to clarify?--[[User:GFitz|GFitz]] 18:45, 30 December 2011 (EST)
::As shown, in the same book that clearly marks homosexuals as an abomination, shellfish are also listed the same. Many brave Conservatives fight homosexuals as we are instructed by G-d, but when I bring up supporting a prohibition on shellfish I am often mocked. Shellfish are 'filter feeders' mostly, meaning they eat whatever just flows into their mouth, and are prone to contamination and filth. They are foul to the body just as homosexuality is.--[[User:EzrahJay|EzrahJay]] 18:54, 30 December 2011 (EST)

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-30T23:49:39Z

EzrahJay:

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-30T23:49:26Z

EzrahJay:

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-30T23:48:56Z

EzrahJay:

Talk:Shellfish

2011-12-30T23:44:17Z

EzrahJay:

Talk:Conservative of the Year 2011

2011-12-30T23:31:43Z

EzrahJay: Created page with "Ron Paul? Really? Who wants us out of all foreign soils, is vastly anti-Israel, and thinks the War on Drugs is a terrible injustice for the 'poor oppressed black people' the left..."

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2011-12-30T23:29:34Z

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