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The Return of the King (2003 film)

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{{Infobox Film
| name=The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
| image=Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King.jpg
| caption= The theatrical poster
| director=[[Peter Jackson]]
| producer=Peter Jackson Michael Lynne Mark Ordesky Barrie M. Osborne Robert Shaye Fran Walsh Bob Weinstein Harvey Weinstein
| writer=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (original) Fran Walsh Philippa Boyens Peter Jackson
| narrator=
| starring=Elijah Wood [[Ian McKellen]] Sean Astin Viggo Mortensen
| music=Howard Shore
| cinematography=Andrew Lesnie
| editing=Jamie Selkirk
| distributor=New Line Cinema
| released=December 17, 2003
| runtime=201 min
| country=New Zealand
| language=English
| budget=
| gross=
| preceded_by=[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Two Towers]]
| followed_by=[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]
| website=
| amg_id=
| imdb_id=0167260
}}

'''The Return of the King''' is a 2003 film directed by [[Peter Jackson]] adapting the last book in J.R.R. Tolkien's classic trilogy, [[The Lord of the Rings]]. The film made significant omissions, such as the omission of the battle in the Shire and death of Saruman (Saruman's death is shown in the extended edition, though it happens at Isengard instead of the Shire.) The film won all 11 of the Oscars it was nominated for, including Best Art Direction/Set Direction, Best Costume Design, Best Director, Best Editing, Best Makeup, Best Music/Original Score, Best Music/Original Song, Best Picture, Best Sound Mixing, Best Visual Effects and Best Writing/Adapted Screenplay. The film remains one of the joint-record holders for the most Academy Awards won, along with [[Ben-Hur (film, 1959)|Ben-Hur]] and [[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]].

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== Question ==

What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

== move request / delete request ==

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)

::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Conservapedia IRC channel ==

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
:::::Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Image typo ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Merge cats? ==

Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])

Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

== Moving Pages ==

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway. I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]]. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Anti-Trump" article ==

Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
:Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Picture Upload Requests==

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423

Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg

:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).

== Question ==

Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion ==

Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

:Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Ref help and suggestion ==

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

==Regarding Ransomware==
I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
:2. Reinstalling Windows.
:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
:# Not going to work, as explained.
:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
:#Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).

:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.

:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system. [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.

:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

==Congressman John Fleming==

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== Editor ==

Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

== Protection ==

The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==

Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

== D.T. achievements article question ==

The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

::That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

::They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

== Bye ==

It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
:I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
::He appears to have been some type of parodist.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::Clearly I missed that. Thanks for trying anyway....
::I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
:Thank you for your kind words.
:::BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
: I need someone to get rid of the title [[Joseph Belloc]] so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
::Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== Cleaning up after the blocked users ==

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from [http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page this website]. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::::I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt|here]], including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.

:Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.

:I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below ==

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.

If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.

=== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable? ===

{{welcome}}

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes. I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
==== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ====

[[File:Plate of cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Conservative! I am [[User:This lousy T-shirt|This lousy T-shirt]] and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Knox490|your contributions]]. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], or feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:This lousy T-shirt|my talk page]] or type ''{{tl|helpme}}'' at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
* [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]]
* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
* [[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
* [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia].
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether. As time allows, I'll see what I can put together. Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I'll see what I can do. It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

:::::::I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work. Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea. I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow. Maybe I can find a good shade combo though. Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

== Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page. Here is the updated version ==

Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: [https://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+basket&rlz=1C1PRFG_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHyI_c0trUAhUH0oMKHeMQDy4Q_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510#tbm=isch&q=welcome+fruit+basket Google images - Welcome fruit baskets]. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at: https://pixabay.com/en/photos/?hp=&image_type=&cat=&min_width=&min_height=&q=fruit+basket&order=

Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/similar/350093981

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== Email ==

I sent you an email about a question I have. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you another one. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
::Replied --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

I sent you an email several days ago, but you haven't responded. Maybe you didn't intend to, or you're taking your time to respond, but I just want to be sure you got it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:56, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

:I read it some time ago, but it seems I forgot to respond... My apologies! I've sent you a reply now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

I replied to your email (twice), but I received an automated email saying that my response was unable to reach you, saying it was a "permanent error" and (though it's hard to understand) that someone's IP address was blocked as spam for some reason. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:I did receive them both, and have replied. My spam filter has been a little on the fritz lately. Having my address publicly posted has enabled web spiders to scrape it, and sell my address to spammers. I can always change my address if it gets too annoying, but it hasn't really been a problem due to spam filtering. It seem I'll need to look into this, though. It has been flagging some messages from Conservative as spam, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:31, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

== Image question ==

I was also looking to add an image to [[Rare (company)]], hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:Hi,
:That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission. While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights. If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright. If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it. However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it. You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side. If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable. For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking. Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that [http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/XboxComTOU these terms] (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
::Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them. Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft. In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== Gender ideology ==
Hi, you reverted my last contribution in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gender_ideology&diff=prev&oldid=1363294 here] that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --[[User:AK|AK]] ([[User talk:AK|talk]]) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:BTW, I restored the page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake. I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990'sguy for restoring it! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

== Move requests ==

I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: [[:Category:Globalist]] to [[:Category:Globalists]], and [[:Category:Nationalist]] to [[:Category:Nationalists]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
:Good suggestions--done. I can move the pages using my bot later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Hello David, would you please move these two categories: [[:Category:Media personalities]] to [[:Category:Media Personalities]], and [[:Category:High schools]] to [[:Category:High Schools]]? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

:Done. The images in [[:Category:Media personalities]] were protected so they could not be moved. All the rest are taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thank you for your assistance. Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed". Please look at: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_achievements:_Criminal_justice,_law_enforcement,_and_other_DOJ_matters&diff=1368054&oldid=1368043 this proposal.] Many thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
:I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== IP blocks ==

Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

:It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
:If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright. I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies. Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses. These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more. They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.

== Copied article ==

A lot of the article [[Steppenwolf]] appears to be copied from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steppenwolf_(band)&oldid=796579357 the Wikipedia version]. Should it be deleted? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the [[Talk:Steppenwolf|talk page]] awhile back. I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person. I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

== Delete article? ==

Should we delete this article: [[Julia Gasper]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized. I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your input ==

Is this a bad edit: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&curid=1989&diff=1374996&oldid=1262366]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
:I've been pondering the same question. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chivalry merriam-webster] doesn't really specify, although some other sites like [http://www.wordnik.com/words/chivalry wordnik] do. Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
:I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

What do you think about this article? [[Peregrin Chronicles]]? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

:I don't think I can be much help with this one either. I've never heard of the series before. It exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676468266/the-aliens-have-landed-the-peregrin-chronicles-com kickstarter] didn't get much support, either. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's another one: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_evangelism&curid=105140&diff=1375410&oldid=1271896] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User Abranch|TALK]]) Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)

:::That is exactly right--I'm glad to hear those are your beliefs! Admittedly, my experience with Campus Crusade is limited to contact with one local chapter. I've never gotten into the full organization, so it's possible that things were represented slightly differently to me than is typical. I also have been out of contact with them for a little while now. I will take a look at the page you revised at some point. Thanks for your contributions so far! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:24, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's an article that might need a page move: [[Homework]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Email spam? ==

Is my email address in your spam folder again? I sent you an email a few days ago and am curious at the lack of response (though it's not important anymore). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:16, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it seems your message got lost in the noise. I already have written some rules which should be allowing all messages from CP users, but for some reason it's not working quire right. My apologies! I've relied to your message, though as you said, it's a bit late now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

::Maybe it's the name I use for my email address, "1990" for the first name and "sguy" for the last name? I have had some minor problems with my CP/WP/etc. email address before. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

:::Yeah, I think that's it. A lot of "marketing" (spam) corporations like to use algorithmically generated names, containing numbers and other gibberish. I think a batch of rules I set up early-on (before I knew better) flagged addresses starting with numbers for that reason. I think I've cleared out the offending rules. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your welcome message ==

On the user talk page [[User talk:NeilG]], someone put your newly designed welcome/template message.

Please change the color of the blue background. The dark blue combined with the black text is not the easiest to read. There is not enough contrast between those colors.

As far as a color I suggest using some shade of yellow or possibly a creamy yellow color such as [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/66/18/3e6618ad619db4d45c168d4c8dd04ea4--dutch-boy-paint-colors-paint-colours.jpg THIS COLOR] or a light parchment color such as [http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Acrylic/DecoArt/Americana/Light-Parchment/Light-Parchment.gif THIS COLOR].

In short, the black type should be on a lighter background. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

:Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't made any changes yet, but I just want to let you know I am playing with it. I was trying to stick with the red-white-blue theme, as requested by others, but I'll try deviating from that theme. I though the background was light enough for the black text, but even if it is, the blue links don't work on blue. I suppose I could do a dark background and light text, too. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear. If I cant't find something I like, I'll at least make an edit to improve it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:35, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::Is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Greeting&oldid=1379860 this] more like what you were thinking of? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:14, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

== Image copyright ==

Considering the "Personality rights warning" tag, is there any problem in uploading this image? [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_portrait_of_Mr_Jacob_Rees-Mogg.jpg] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:39, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
:Also, in addition to the Corporate tyranny article (if you are still planning on it), would you please add that box-format code to the list of corporate supporters in the [[Southern Poverty Law Center]] and [[Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights]] articles? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

::It sounds to me like we can use that image. They seem to just be saying that although the images is CC licensed, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg still has legal claim on his likeness. This is nothing new, since every photograph of a person is like this. It should be fine to go for it.
::I wasn't aware of those pages needing it, but yes, I can probably do it. Doing this takes a fair amount of time, but also I need preview frequently. Right now, I'me getting 500 errors about 60% of the time, so I can't count on it lot loosing my work. (Submitting this took 3 tries and 2 minutes) Once things stabilize, I'll give it a go. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:51, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::BTW, I learned recently that if you make an edit and the internal server error (why in the world is it happening so much now?) come on, you can just press the refresh button and your edit will still be saved. You don't need to worry about your information being lost. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point! I've noticed that sometimes works, but I've had times when it doesn't. However, some browsers hold information from past pages. I'm using [[Vivaldi (web browser)|Vivaldi]], which does this. In case of a 500 error, I can just hit back and it instantly loads back the past (edit) page with my edits. I think a number of them do this, including Firefox. I don't know if this works for you.
::::Conservative thinks its due to D/DoS attacks--I don't know if this is the case or not, but it could be. The server responds, but there seems to be some problem in the server's internal services; download requests are not handled properly. Sometimes the requests are not served at all, and other times an incomplete answer is provided. It sounds to me more like a problem with the server processing power or software. However, it could be a simple DoS/DDoS an attack. I have also noticed that certain queries available to the public on this site can take several minutes. Run 100 of those simultaneously, and it could load down the server too. Anyway, I've discontinued all my bot activity, which is about all I can do. It will clear up eventually. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::::David, in addition to the tables, would you please upload the image of Rees-Mogg for me? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

::::::There are still a lot of pending upload requests, but if you want me to do it so I will be liable, I suppose I can at some point. I'm busy putting out other fires at the moment. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:28, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

As requested, uploaded as [[:File:Official portrait of Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:45, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:10, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

== Move request ==

I hate to have four links starting with "Breitbart" leading to the same location, but would you please move [[Breitbart.com]] to [[Breitbart News]]? That is how they refer to themselves. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:07, 20 October 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, done! Four does seem like a bit much, but this is a good suggestion. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:10, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

Hello DavidB4, I have some more requests:
*Please move [[:Category:2016 presidential election]] to [[:Category:2016 Presidential Election]], and please use your bot to change the category name in the individual articles with it
::Done, but [[Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow]] is protected and could not be moved
*Please do the exact same thing with [[:Category:American war heroes]], [[:Category:Population politics]], [[:Category:United States Air Force aircraft]], [[:Category:Heads of government]], and [[:Category:Current Heads of government]].
::Done!
*Please move [[:Category:Neoconservative]] to [[:Category:Neoconservatives]], and use your bot to move the individual articles.
*Please movie [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] to the more recognizable name of [[:File:European Union flag.png]], and then please move the name on the linked articles
If There are any protected pages/files in any of the categories, I will ask Andy afterward to move them, as well as to delete the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)
:In addition to my above requests, do you know how to get the table at [[Conservative news websites]] to show up at the top of the article? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:57, 24 November 2017 (EST)
::It seems the table was not closed properly, so the Wiki was confused--I've fixed that. I'll move those pages soon, but this is a very busy week for me, so it may take a little time. Feel free to remind me if I don't do them in a few days. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::Also, it appears that [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] is protected, so I cannot move it. It will need to be unlocked first, which I have requested. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 27 November 2017 (EST)

:::I think that's everything, except for some [[User_talk:Aschlafly#More_delete_requests|pending unlock requests]]. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:55, 1 December 2017 (EST)
::::If you would move [[:File:Gwtgg.jpg]] and [[:File:786980.jpg]] (as well as the code on the articles they are linked on) to titles that make sense before Andy re-protects them, I would appreciate that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::::I wanted to do just that, and said as much to Andy. However, unlike the others which he completely unlocked, he left move protection on those files, so I'm assuming that he does not want them moved. I can't, so I didn't. It's a good suggestion, though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[The Battle of Sunshine Church]] to [[Battle of Sunshine Church]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:40, 6 December 2017 (EST)

Should [[Worst Liberal Video Games]] be moved to an essay? The other "Best" and "worst" articles are essays, so it might make sense to move this. Also, this article has no categories. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:Yes, [[:Category:Video Games]] should be added to it at the very least. It was your discovery, so I'll leave the categorization to you. Moving this page to essay namespace makes sense to me--"best" and "worst" are very subjective, so I see no reason not to move this. However, since it is a higher-traffic page, I wonder if the move template should be placed on it first for a little while so people have time to comment and discuss it if they want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::It might be a good idea, though at the same time, I'm sure that most page viewers don't have editing accounts. By the way, I just saw that [[Greatest Conservative Video Games]] also exists, with the same problems as the other page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:59, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:::Fair enough--I've moved both of them. I'll leave the redirects, though, to help channel the traffic. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::::Thanks. I agree about keeping the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Please move [[:Category:Rothschild family]] so "family" is capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 31 December 2017 (EST)

:I would have assumed that "family" would not be part of the proper noun on this. Have they become so well know that it has, though? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:27, 31 December 2017 (EST)
::Either way, it's a category, so per the naming convention, "family" should be capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. I'm not sure why I missed that this was a category when I asked that. Anyway, I did your suggested move as you've already seen, though I missed deleting the redirect. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 2 January 2018 (EST)

==Thanks for the message==
To David,
Thank you for your reminder. I will add them up as soon as possible. There are some sources that are conservative but in foreign languages, I will add them as soon as possible.

:Okay, thank you! Even if in a foreign language, it would be a good idea to include them...They were your information source, so they deserve credit. Anyway, you probably know all this--I just figured I'd mention it. Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:35, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

== Dealing with Hahalongboy ==

David: I am puzzled by your note on Hahalongboy's talk page. It looks as thought you may be taunting him. I would advise against this sort of thing.

Now I now nothing about what he is actually doing, or what the "Swans" band is, other than that it's pretty obvious I would never want to hear their "noise rock" (whatever that is) music. And I do not know what the "meme" is that you are talking about. That said, it seems that either
*You find his behavior utterly unacceptable, in which case you should revert or delete it, and block him, or
*You actually want to engage with him on the subject.
I would guess that it's the latter, since you know perfectly well how to block people. If so, I found what you wrote to be a bit impolite. If you can discuss with him how he can improve his writing, please do so.

You do not strike me as an impolite person, which is why I am puzzled that you seem to be speaking in riddles

There are people here who block people with incredibly impolite comments, often along the lines of "You just proved that we [presumably the Conservapedia editor community] are right about what liberals [of which you presumably are one] do." But you are not that kind of person.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:04, 3 December 2017 (EST)

:It was not my intent to specifically taunt him/her. However, they are clearly fooling around. "Haha Long Boy" is a harmless but pretty much meaningless "meme" (see: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/long-boy) which was popular among certain millennials about a year ago. On their profile page they put the grammatical equivalent of "XD" which is supposed to represent a face with mouth open and eyes tightly closed in laughter. This user is not being overtly harmful, so I was granting them the benefit of the doubt. However, in response to their goofy (childish?) behavior, I decided to "toss it right back" to them and see what happened. I suspect this is a troll, but I don't know yet. It is my intent to not be unduely hostile, but to learn their intent at the same time.
:Thanks for the feedback, though. I didn't say more to them at the time because I was still trying to determine their intentions, and didn't want to waste time on a troll. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:18, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::Fair enough. You obviously know way more about this than I do. I'll butt out now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:32, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::I sometimes pick up strange knowledge which actually proves useful. I've seen this kind of clowning around on another site I administrate, too. I usually don't engage them, but decided to give this one a try. As you probably saw, I did decide, following your comment, that I should leave a proper welcome. It never hurts, so thanks for nudge! Anyway, Conservative decided to nuke things, so I guess he decided there is nothing to be gained from it. 
:::Feel free to comment/interject/suggest/complain any time though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:45, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Image licensing ==

Hello David, I want to upload [https://www.flickr.com/photos/135638414@N02/20882496641/in/album-72157655419191143/ this image], but on the right-hand side, it says "All Rights Reserved." Does this mean I cannot upload the image? Or is it a good idea to ask the Lt. Gov. office or Patrick's campaign for permission to use it? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:09, 17 December 2017 (EST)

:Hi, It could be argued that to reuse it would be permitted under the fair use exception, but I try to avoid that here in particular. On Flickr, users specifically manage licenses, so this appears to be a deliberate act to restrict reuse. To honor that wish, I try not to use them. However, Fair Use is widely interpreted different ways...some might see it as completely fine in this case. It sounds like neither of us are confident it is acceptable, so probably you'd best skip it or ask them.
:This image looks suspiciously like it could be a government-produced image--I wonder if it could be found elsewhere with more information. If the government made it, then it's in the public domain. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:20, 19 December 2017 (EST)
::Does this also apply for state government photos? I know (partially from experience) that Wikipedia frequently deletes what official state government images (found on state government websites), allegedly due to not being free to use. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:26, 19 December 2017 (EST)

:::You're right--some states do hold copyrights, while others release all right to the public. It goes state-by-state, and I couldn't find anything on Texas specifically. So asking them would probably be the best option. Thanks for pointing that out--I was oblivious of that until now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:40, 19 December 2017 (EST)

I contacted the Office of the Lieutenant Governor Friday, and I am awaiting a response. On a different topic, please delete the redirect "Great Persecution" and move the article [[Diocletian persecution]] to it. The most common names for the persecution are either "Great Persecution" or "Diocletianic Persecution", and the current name is neither of these two. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:06, 24 December 2017 (EST)

:Okay, thanks for the heads-up. I've moved the page as requested also. Have a merry Christmas! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:21, 24 December 2017 (EST)
::Merry Christmas to you too! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 24 December 2017 (EST)

== Hi ==

So, I'm an editor on the English Wikipedia, and noticed you put a help message on my talk page back in April. I may want to start editing here. Is the Wikitext the same base language? And what would you reccommend I do to get started? Thank's, [[User:Adotchar|Adotchar]] ([[User talk:Adotchar|talk]]) 19:16, 18 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! We do use the same basic wiki language. We use MediaWiki, which is produced by the WikiMedia Foundation. A page on the basics is [[Help:How to edit a website like Conservapedia|here]], but if you know how to edit on WP, you should be all set for editing here. A basic summary of who we are and what we do is [[Conservapedia:Quick reference|here]], but an extensive guide is available [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages|in our manual of style]]. Lastly, here are our [[Conservapedia:Commandments|rules]] and our [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guidelines]].
:I know that's a lot of material, but hopefully some of it will be helpful. Other than reading up on any (or all) of that, just find something which needs improvement or creation, and edit it! Cite your sources, try to keep in uniform style, and avoid a liberal point of view. We do not specifically have a NPoV rule, so a "conservative bias" is permissible when it is supported by evidence. Otherwise, the safe option is to keep it neutral. You should also have the ability to create pages by yourself, without requesting permission.
:You can discuss possible changes on talk pages, and may want to do so for larger changes, especially on larger, more popular pages. However, this is not required. For the most part, it has been my experience that others leave you alone while you edit, unless they see an obvious problem.
:If you have any questions, you can always ask me, or you can try asking everyone on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|community portal]]. I think that just about covers it, but if I missed something or if you have any other questions, I'm happy to help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:12, 19 December 2017 (EST)

== Merging ==

Hello DavidB4, I noticed that we have two categories for the [[Tea Party Movement]]: [[:Category:Tea Party Movement]] and [[:Category:Tea Party]]. Do you agree that these should be merged?

Also, I think I mentioned to you sometime earlier about possibly merging [[Republicanism]] with [[Republican form of government]]. I will look into that soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:44, 27 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! Those do sound like good candidates to be merged--go for it! You did mention the "Republicanism" category issue, too. I would be fine with that merge as well. Thanks for doing clean-up! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)

== New Essay ==

I was thinking that this site needs a new essay on how Christians display morals and values that are antithetical to mainstream culture and all of its vices. Look at this article from the Babylon Bee:

http://babylonbee.com/news/another-actress-accuses-kirk-cameron-treating-respect/

It's pretty hilarious considering all of the sex scandals that are going on in Hollywood these days. Kirk Cameron definitely stands out from mainstream Hollywood actors by being faithfully married to his wife Chelsea since 1991. If you notice, I added several Christian songs to the "Greatest Conservative Songs" that not only promote Christian values, but also are the antithesis of modern mainstream Hollywood and Liberal values. Shobson20 (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:That is a good article, and it would be great to have something written on it. If you would like to write an essay on the subject in general, go for it! It is amazing for foreign christian beliefs are to secular ones sometimes. People don't usually become Christians expecting to be come polar opposites of the norm, but through the work of God's spirit, they in many ways do. Then the world is shocked that these Christians do respect people, abut do not engage in their vices. Many of the world's problems (drunk driving, sexually transmitted diseases, selfishness leading to communist leanings, unwanted pregnancies and single parenthood, etc.) are largely eliminated by the Christian lifestyle. I would be interested in reading an essay on this general topic, if you write one!
:Just go ahead and pick a title, then create the page and write it! As long as it holds to Conservapdia's "[[Conservapedia:Commandments|commandments]]," you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want with it. (Rule #5 does not apply on essay either, though I personally prefer to let the reader make some informed decisions of their own.)
:There might also be some article on the issue of sex scandals, though the only page I could find on the subject was "[[Atheism and sexual immorality]]". This article and a related blurb might be something which could benefit such a page. It would not be opinion, but verifiable fact. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:56, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular Here is the new essay, I would like input from other Conservapedians, so anything you could do to increase the visibility of this page would be appreciated. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 10:28, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::Essays are typically edited only by the author, unless a special exception in made. Therefore, out of respect for your work, people will probably do no more that comment on the talk page. Is this what you want, or would you prefer this to be an open page, like [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs]]? IF it is open to anyone, you may want to specify this at the top of it, or at least on the talk page.
:::As for getting input from others, I've had limited success doing this in the past, unfortunately. However, one thing you could try is posting about it on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]] to see if anyone has input. I see that 1990'sguy has [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular&curid=148244&diff=1394532&oldid=1394529 already chipped in], too which is good! It seems he has understood your intent for this to be an open essay, as I suspect you want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Potential edit war ==

On this page: http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies MacTavish moved Home Alone 2 to the "Debatable Whether Great Section" and personally accused the movie makers of having "Hollywood Greed." I think that statement is too vindictive and accusatory, so I changed it, but he's probably going to change it back. I don't think his statement is appropriate for CP.

:I recommend either going to the essay's talk page or MacTavish's talk page and talking it out. It's the best way to solve conflicts like this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::Agreed, that's the place to discuss it, since interested people are more likely to see it. I'm happy to weigh in though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:08, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::He just removed my message from his talk page [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 01:28, 29 December 2017 (EST)

::::So I see--that does seem a little odd.
::::I don't see why it should be "debatable," but here we are debating it, so perhaps it does belong in that section. I was hoping we might be a response from him, but I guess he doesn't feel like talking. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:01, 29 December 2017 (EST)

== Greeting for new editors ==

You did a fantastic job as far as creating the updated greeting for new editors. It looks great.

Thanks for using a few of my tips regarding the color scheme. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:05, 29 December 2017 (EST)

:You're welcome, and thanks for the suggestions! It's still not perfect, but it seems pretty good to me. I'd also like to automate the entire thing, so it auto-fills username, signature, etc. but so far haven't been able to do it quite right. At least it works manually though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (EST)

== comment about my account ==

Although I have done most of my work on one particular page, that is because I only recently updated my account.

If you will check my user history, I recently updated the article for Atlanta Hawks (providing a brief history of the team's origins and many relocations) and also for the Atlanta article (updating a very old article to reflect a change in sports team status since the Atlanta Thrashers have relocated to Winnipeg, and to also mention a prior NHL franchise in Atlanta which also moved).

My plan is to ultimately moved articles that I have written on your competitor's website (one of which was flagged for "notability" solely because it involved a derivative work of a Christian novel whereas other similar articles were not, clearly showing their liberal bias) to this one (your guidelines say that I can do so if the work is mine). The article I wrote here is one, about a novel by one of the more prolific Christian fiction writers, that would be likely deleted there because of their anti-Christian bias.

[[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:13, 8 January 2018 (EST)

:I have responded to you on this page: [[Talk:The Chance (Karen Kingsbury book)]]. In short, I made a mistake (two actually) and you are more than welcome to publish this material here. For some reason I don't quite understand, we don't really used "AFD" pages anymore even though our templates link to them, so I also linked to that AFD page from the talk page. I apologize for this mix-up--let me know if there anything helpful I can do for a change. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (EST)

== Image copyright (2) ==

Hello David, would you please check and see whether it is OK to upload these two photos? The licensing for these two is a bit confusing: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitlermusso2_edit.jpg][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Benito_Mussolini_Roman_Salute.jpg] If it happens that it's OK to upload them, would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 15 January 2018 (EST)

:Familiar with seeing one or maybe tow license templates, I was chuckling by the end of the first image's page, having seen 5 of them, along with two others. What a mess! As best I can tell, they really don't know. I think one of their many templates summed it up best "This image may not have the proper copyright or licensing information, or there is a conflict of license." I can't say what they are licensed as, so I wouldn't try anything but "Fair use." You might be able to get away with "Fair Use," but since I can't even figure out where these came from, I wouldn't try. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:37, 16 January 2018 (EST)

::Honestly, I really want to upload these photos, so if there's any way to upload them, I will take that way. However, I'm short on time, so I won't deal with that for now. Maybe I'll ask Andy later.

::BTW, would you please upload these two images: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WWII,_Europe,_Germany,_%22Nazi_Hierarchy,_Hitler,_Goering,_Goebbels,_Hess%22,_The_Desperate_Years_p143_-_NARA_-_196509.jpg][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H12148,_N%C3%BCrnberg,_Reichsparteitag.jpg] The first one wouldn't upload because it said that I did not add an image though I did. Maybe it will work with you? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:46, 16 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to those images, please move [[:Category:Homosexual activists]] in order to capitalize the "a". Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 17 January 2018 (EST)

::::I just tried all the basic upload tricks, and nothing worked. I'm not just talking about these images either--I simply can't upload anything. It looks like a bug to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:36, 17 January 2018 (EST)

:::Sorry to keep piling on requests -- I know you're probably as busy as me -- but posting them here at least help me to remember them so I can focus on content in the little time I have. I am very tempted to delete this newly-created article, as this person does not appear to be notable (only a singer from Puerto Rico, does not even have his own Wikipedia page). I would appreciate your input. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:13, 18 January 2018 (EST)

::::No apology needed! I've moved the category, as requested.
::::"Darell" is clearly a page needing attention. You can see the style issues, and the name should obviously be changes also. Those issues aside, I don't know anything about him, and can find only a little information about him elsewhere online. It doesn't seem to be a made-up topic, but almost everything about him is written in Spanish, so I can't verify accuracy. Since we don't have a specific "notability" policy, and this page does seem to be composed of original content, I probably would just improve it and leave it be. However, it could be that this is a promotion attempt, in which case it warrants deletion. I just don't know for sure, so I am hesitant to wipe it out. Please see the note on this topic in my e-mail, also. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 18 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Also, thanks for cleaning up that redirect I forgot about! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[Lazarus (Parable)]] to [[Lazarus and the Rich Man]], as it is a better title. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2018 (EST)

:Moved as requested. I'm indecisive as to whether leaving the redirect would be beneficial or not, so since in doubt, I left it. You can delete that if you want, it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:07, 21 January 2018 (EST)
::I think keeping the redirect is fine. BTW, would you please take care of [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TerryH&diff=1400544&oldid=1391663 this], unless someone else does it first? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:50, 25 January 2018 (EST)
:::Also, what do you think of Grace's edits in the [[Homophobia]] article? Do you think it's good, or is the intro section too short now? I would appreciate a second opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (EST)

::::I am not especially comfortable doing the merge since I know nothing about the gentleman, but if no one else does, I suppose I can try to merge them. I think the homophobia intro was much better, but needed to actually specify the intended meaning of the term. I've added a sentence explaining this, and I think it's probably fine now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:19, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Should we move the article [[Christmas and Easter Catholic]] to "Christmas and Easter Christian", or should we create a new article with that title? I would imagine that the two terms are independently notable, but I could be wrong (and the editor who brought it up was not pleased at my response). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:35, 31 January 2018 (EST)

:I don't know Catholicism very well, but these do seem similar to me. I just don't know if under their works-based salvation, there is some special obligation or rule that does not apply to Protestantism. Either way, whether a "mass" or a "service," this does seem to be a similar issue though. As for the name(s), I'm inclined to think that if there is a significant difference, this naming scheme is fine. However, it is a little odd to have one page an not the other. If we are only going to gave one, perhaps a more generic name would be appropriate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
::OK. If you think it's best that we move the article, please do so since I can't do it myself. Otherwise, we can create a new article. Either way -- it was Quidam65 who brought it up. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:09, 31 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to the email I sent you a few days ago, would you please look over the article [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]] (title, layout)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:49, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I'm no expert--if you think separating the pages them is better, that's fine with me. You probably have a better idea than I do. Anyway, I've posted on the talk page to see if anyone else has anything to say, first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I will review that page, and look back at my e-mails. I must have missed it, because I wasn't aware of anything outstanding. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Regarding [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]], the title is cumbersome, but I have no better suggestions. I did revise the section titles, and reworded a couple things. Additionally, the intro is a little shorter than I would like, while the following section is the opposite. Other than that, the only issue I noticed was that there are spaces before the references. I didn't bother fix them, though--my bot will fix those on its next sweep. Also, I found your e-mail and will be in touch. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:06, 1 February 2018 (EST)

== More requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move these categories to fix their cases: [[:Category:Victims of homo-fascism]], [[:Category:Economic history]]. Also, I reminded Andy to unlock the images you requested. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:19, 3 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check [[:File:Miklós Horthy.jpg]]? On [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg the original file], it states that "you must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." Would you please make sure the file I uploaded meets that requirement? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:22, 4 February 2018 (EST)

::Andy unlocked the files required for me to do the first requests, so I will be completing those soon. As for this image, I think what you have done will keep us all out of trouble. However, a couple minor things: 
::Images in the public domain can be used any way we want, without attribution--they are public property. However, as a courtesy to our sources, and to demonstrate to others that we have the legal rights to use them, it is CP (and WP) policy to explain briefly. What you have entered is a good explanation, but I would say that the author is the U.S. Federal Government, not Cserlajos. If you want to give that person credit, you could note that Cserlajos digitized the photo, though. Lastly, we have [[Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style/Images|a list]] of templates for images which state the applicable licenses. You are not obligated to use these (very few editors here do) but they are available if you want to make things a little fancier. In this case, I would probably add the following to the top of the image page. This is entirely your choice, though. 
::<code><nowiki>{{USGovt tag</nowiki></code> 
::<code><nowiki>|source=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg}}</nowiki></code>
::I hope this helps--let me know if anything is unclear! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:14, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::I did what you recommended. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:19, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::Looks good to me! I actually am waiting on one more unlock before I can do that last move (there is cascading protection locking it) so I will finish that later. Also, thanks for reminding Andy about the older unlock requests of mine! I'd lost track of them as well, so it might have been awhile before I remembered them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:27, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::::Done! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:20, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Would you please take a look at the article [[Homosexual Fascists]]? As I pointed out on the article talk page, the article throws the term "fascist" around too freely, and it labels (to the point of slander) people like Jorg Haider "fascists" (though Haider supported a more limited federal Austrian government). Is there anything to do about this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check the page [[Arius Raposas]]? Is it genuine or appropriate to keep? The account that created it is called "Athanasius", so it's odd that they created an article about an "Arius", but about someone totally unrelated to the fourth-century heretic. Checking that page is also relevant to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Historian&curid=126238&diff=1403171&oldid=1278122 this edit].
:Also, what do you think about User:Cantante's pages? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:02, 7 February 2018 (EST)

::I'm not a historian, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of [[Homosexual Fascists]]. I do hope that communism and fascism were not confused with each other, since they ultimately manifest themselves in similar ways. I am also a little concerned about the use of a Huffington Post article as a positive reference. I wish I could help more, but I really don't know much in this area. It certainly is a favorite thing as of late for liberals to throw around the term in psychological projection.
::[[Arius Raposas]] looks like an advertising attempt. CP already shows as #1 result on several search engines for him, because the other results are apparently less reputable. You can see some more info about him on his LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arius-raposas where you can also see that he only had 59 connections. I say deleted it.
::Regarding [[User:Cantante]], I can't tell if these are good faith edits or not. It might be that s/he is writing about their favorite amateur rappers, or it could be that this is a promotion attempt. Either way, I doubt these pages are going to be of much value to CP. I just don't want to wipe them out if this is a good faith editor. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:36, 7 February 2018 (EST)

:::For the Arius Raposas article, I would say definite delete (though I won't do it until you're confident it should be deleted). At the very least, User:Cantante's articles should be trimmed and improved, though I wouldn't mind deleting them (if he complains, we can restore them). Again, I don't want to do this without you agreeing.
:::For the homosexual fascist article, '''at least''' the title should be changed. I wrote CP's article on Haider a while back, and he's not a fascist (and whether he was even a homosexual is in dispute -- he had a wife). It is true, though, that the Left hated him while he was alive. The article could be used to show left-wing hypocrisy on this matter, by showing that homosexuality was widespread even among people they didn't like (or something like that), but in its current form, it reads like a socially-conservative John McCain (though that sounds like an oxymoron) wrote the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 7 February 2018 (EST)
:::Sorry to keep posting stuff here, but in addition to the email I sent you, I would appreciate it if you would check the article [[Covenant Christian Coalition]] to see if it is plagiarized from Wikipedia or another website (it was created by yet another newly-registered editor). I recommend deleting the Arius article and asking Cantante about the other two articles, with the intention to delete or trim/improve them if he doesn't respond. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:28, 8 February 2018 (EST)

::::You don't need to apologize, though I might need too--I'm not having enough time right now to deal with each issue promptly.
::::1. Arius Raposas: I'm not convinced it should be kept, but I'm waiting to hear back from him now. My own ignorance of these foreign websites might be the problem, but when I do a web search and find only CP and a bunch of social media accounts, I am not filled with confidence. It sounds more like someone trying to build an online presence than someone notable enough to have others research them.
::::2. Homosexual fascist: I will differ to your judgment on this then. It sounds like you know some more about at least Haider, while I really know nothing at all on the subject. I trust you know what you are talking about! :)
::::3. [[Covenant Christian Coalition]]: This looks like an expanded version of [https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Covenant_Christian_Coalition.html] this page. I've asked on the talk page about original authorship.
::::4. I will reply to your email soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Is it time to move [[Greatest conservative corporations]] and make it an essay? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:11, 14 February 2018 (EST)
:Probably. It seems no one else is particularly invested in that page anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::Would you then please move it now? I agree that we should keep the redirect. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. For some reason, I was thinking you were going to do it. I've moved it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:21, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::::I would if I could, but I don't have move rights, as you probably remember. Thanks anyway! I will reply to your latest email soon, when I get time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:44, 14 February 2018 (EST)

== Categories ==

Hello DavidB4, it seems that [[:Category:Unions]] and [[:Category:Labor Unions]] are duplicate categories. Is then OK if you merge them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2018 (EST)
:I also just found that we have duplicate articles [[Right to work]] and [[Right-to-work laws]].
:Also, [[Edwin R. Thiele]] and [[Edwin Thiele]] have not been merged yet. I would appreciate it if you would at least help do this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::The first two are done--good suggestions, thanks! The last one I suppose will attempt, but I know nothing about the man, so I'm afraid I will not do the article justice. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks. Maybe another editor is able and willing to do it. Would you please move the article [[Hilary Belloc]] per AlanE's edit summary comment in the article history? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:02, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::::Thanks for moving it. Would you please move the article [[The Forgotten Depression of 1920]] to [[Forgotten Depression of 1920]]? Also, [[Anti-Saloon league]] and [[Anti-Saloon League]] are (almost) duplicate articles which should be combined. The former link should redirect to the latter. Would you please do this? Also, while most of what I wrote in my latest email to you were just statements, I did ask you one question. I would appreciate it if you would reply even though it's not too important. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:02, 18 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Thanks for pointing out the Hilary Belloc issue--I was oblivious to the problem. I've also moved the 1920 page leaving the redirect, and replied to your email. I will work on merging this and perhaps the other article as time permits. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you, I will! [[User:Willow Smith|Willow Smith]] ([[User talk:Willow Smith|talk]]) 11:42, 21 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Conspiricy No. 5" ==

The actual name of the Third Day album is "Conspiracy No. 5". The original author simply misspelled it. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:13, 23 February 2018 (EST)

:Good catch! I've fixed it, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (EST)

== Request to merge pages ==

There are two pages with virtually identical headings and all with the same text (likely someone didn't know how to do a redirect page).

The pages are "Committee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist" and "Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Nyquist".

Request that one be made the main page and the other a redirect, to make Conservapedia better for all. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 14:25, 24 February 2018 (EST)

PS--Thanks for the fix on Conspiracy No. 5.

:Another good observation. I've redirected the latter to the former. Thanks for pointing this out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:02, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Castings Crowns(album)" ==

Again, another inadvertent misspelling (and grammatical error) by a well-meaning Conservapedian. The correct title is "Casting Crowns (album)". [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 21:20, 27 February 2018 (EST)

:Thank you! I've fixed it, though there is no redirect so the old name will not work anymore. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:14, 27 February 2018 (EST)

== Response to inquiry on redirect pages ==

In response to your inquiry, most of those "articles" are barely one sentence. That may be suitable for a dictionary but not for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, most of those "articles" did little more than discuss a subcomponent of the larger topic, such as your concerns about the various "bankruptcy" titled ones.

What I did, which I believe makes Conservapedia a much better site, is to consolidate all those smaller articles into one, more comprehensive one, which contains all pertinent information related to a topic. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:12, 2 March 2018 (EST)

:That makes sense I suppose, and we do discourage "stub" articles. However, it is also generally frowned upon to replace articles with redirects. This should be done with caution, if at all, and all material must be saved. I will look more into it, but please do be careful about this. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:57, 5 March 2018 (EST)

== Yet another merger candidate ==

There are two similarly named articles. One is titled "Internet Crime" (note the capitalization) and contains a significant amount of information. The other is titled "Internet crime" and has virtually nothing in it (the history only shows two changes, one to create it in 2009 and the other to lock it almost immediately thereafter). My suggestion is to unlock the empty article (which you admins can do) and turn it into a redirect page. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

:What I'm seeing is a redirect under the name [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crime&redirect=no Internet crime] which points to [[Internet Crime]]. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crimes&redirect=no Internet crimes] is an identical redirect, also. Am I missing something? I don't see a protect page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

::Here's another category that could be merged: [[:Category:Supreme Court]] and [[:Category:United States Supreme Court]]. We could make the first category a parent category of the second one, since we have the general article [[Supreme Court]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:38, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Yes, that's another good one suggestion. Probably we should make [[:Category:Supreme Court]] the parent, then sort out the entries inside of it to be accurate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:23, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

== The Internet crime mystery--solved (?) ==

OK I figured out what is happening. It is a category titled "Internet crime" which is locked and has no pages showing it as a category. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 10:16, 10 March 2018 (EST)

== Thanks for the server update ==

It is greatly appreciated. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 18:04, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

==Hacker keeps removing [[Andy Clay Harris]]==
I have returned it three times to the board. The hacker uses the name MatthewLClark.
Please block him. This is the text he keeps removing:
''<nowiki>
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| birth_date=September 1, 1961
| birth_place=Resident of 
[[Bossier City]], [[Louisiana]]
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| party=[[Republican Party|Republican]]
| religion=Assembly of God [[clergy]]man
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'''Andy Clay Harris''' (born September 1, 1961)<ref name=mylife.com>{{cite web|url=https://www.mylife.com/andrew-harris/harris3768r|title=Andy Harris (Clay)|publisher=Mylife.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> is an Assemblies of God pastor from [[Bossier City]] in northwestern [[Louisiana]], whose former congregation, The Church of the Cross, erected in 2009 a 199-foot [[Christian]] cross on the grounds of its sanctuary in Haughton. The silver cross is seen from various points about U.S. Highway 80.

The son of a Bossier City builder-father and teacher-mother, Harris graduated from Bossier High School in 1979. He studied at the Southwestern Assemblies of God University<ref name=intelius>{{cite web|url=https://www.intelius.com/people-search/Andy-C-Harris/Bossier%20city-LA|title=Andy Harris: Bossier City, LA|publisher=Intelius.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> in Waxahachie, [[Texas]], the alma mater of the famous pastor [[John C. Hagee]] of [[San Antonio]], Texas. For a time, he was on the staff of ''The Gurdon Times'' in Arkadelphia, [[Arkansas]]. He also lived for a time, dates unavailable but prior to 1996, in [[Carson City]], [[Nevada]]; Miami, [[Oklahoma]], and Sarepta in Webster Parish, Louisiana.<ref name=intelius/> Harris completed an internship at his home congregation, the Broadmoor Assembly of God in [[Shreveport]] and was ordained into the ministry in 1985.<ref name=arrest>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/crime/2018/03/09/benton-man-arrested-possession-meth/410682002/|title=Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|author=Nick Wooten|date=March 9, 2018|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref>

On March 7, 2018, Harris was arrested at his home for possession of [[methamphetamine]]s and drug paraphernalia and booked in the Bossier Maximum Security Facility, at which he posted a $5,000 bail. He accepted the pastorate of The Church of the Cross in 1996 and resigned after more than twenty-one years amid the arrest.<ref name=arrest/> He reportedly earned between $100,000 and $150,000.<ref name=mylife.com/> Police said that Harris was questioned on another unrelated, undisclosed matter when Harris revealed the drugs he had. Police found 3.5 grams of meth, a smoking device, and a snorting straw.<ref name=arrest/>

A [[Republican Party|Republican]],<ref name=mylife.com/> Harris was pictured in ''The Shreveport Times'' with current state Senator [[Ryan Gatti]] of Bossier City and Louisiana Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser.<ref name=arrest/>

On the Sunday after his resignation as pastor, a letter from Harris was read to the congregation. He described his time at The Church of the Cross as one of "faith and victory" and long-term friendships with members who were "[[Salvation|saved]], healed, and filled by the [[Holy Spirit]]. We have loved and felt love by you all."<ref name=pastor>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2018/03/12/arrested-pastor-former-congregation-forgive-me/416277002/
|title=Arrested pastor to former congregation: forgive me|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|date=March 12, 2018|author=Nick Wooten|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> Harris described his recent years in the ministry as like being in "a pressure cooker" with betrayals, sickness, and family issues. Harris continued, "A few months ago in a time of weakness I attempted to ease the pain in the way. I have [[sin]]ned, and I have [[God|the Lord]] to forgive me. I have asked my family to forgive me. And I am asking you all -- all of you-- to forgive me. ... Pray all the good the Lord has done through us will outshine the bad [[Satan|the devil]] has done to us."<ref name=pastor/>

Doyle Dempsey, the secretary-treasurer of The Church of the Cross, described his broken heartedness, "Although we do not condone his behavior in this matter, we are all eternally grateful to Pastor Harris for his years of dedicated service to this church body. ... We are all just mortal men. One decision away from sudden destruction."<ref name=pastor/>

In the wake of Harris' departure, the pastoral staff will rotate the ministerial duties pending the call of a new pastor.<ref name=pastor/>
</nowiki>''

David, someone else appears to have corrected the problem and identified the hacker. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:30, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

:I'm glad it was taken care if quickly! That actually wasn't even hacking. They just created a user account and deleted the page contents. Do feel free to let me know if this happens again, but don't worry--it's easy to fix. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:22, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

== Great work on block and reverts ==
Thanks for the quick work on blocking and reverting the vandal!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:56, 17 March 2018 (EDT)
:Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:25, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

== Need to update article title ==

The article title for Wally Amos Criswell needs to be changed.

First, the proper spelling of his first name was Wallie. Second, he was always better known by his initials, W.A. Therefore, I suggest that the title be changed to W.A. Criswell. [[User:Bcarlin|Bcarlin]] ([[User talk:Bcarlin|talk]]) 23:05, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

:Thank you, Quidam65, but Conservapedia forbids the use of "sock puppet" accounts. Please sort out your issues with the administration, rather than just trying to around them. I have fixed this issue you mentioned. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:32, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

::Would you please move the article [[Sebastian Pinera]] to [[Sebastián Piñera]], since this title has the proper punctuation? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:19, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Done. I'm leaving the redirect, since most people don't have "á" and "ñ" on their keyboards. Good idea! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

== Thanks for your help ==

Thank you for your help, DavidB4! Also, I apologize: I accidentally added two posts that were nearly identical to the Aschlafly "talk" page. Sorry for the mistake! {{unsigned|Questions}}
:You're welcome! [[User:1990'sguy]] already fixed the issue, so you should be all set. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:04, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

== Few Things ==

Hey, I have a few questions... First, how does one become a sysop or "get promoted"?... I am also on the site that shall not be named, and becoming a sysop there was relatively easy.
Also, I want to add images to my articles, @1990's guy gave me a link to make a request, but it didn't work and also, I am wondering if there is an easier way? I think that Conservapedia suffers greatly from the lack of illustrations. Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 00:53, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! Regarding your first question, there is no published criteria for promotion. Rather, editors who have shown themselves reliable and well-meaning are occasionally promoted, as they are decided to have earned the privilege. As overall membership grows and changes, these "Assistant Sysops" may be promoted to full administrators. However, this is rare, and has not happened to anyone in the 2.5 years I have been here. It is quite rare.
:As for image uploads, the standard was for you to do this is to post your requests on [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests|this page]] (provide the link to the wanted images). If you stay with us for a while and prove yourself, you may eventually receive the privilege to do it yourself. However, users do not start out with this ability, since some users may upload images which are either protected by license, or inappropriate. Considering the amount of vandalism we see at times, this seems to be the reasonable option to me, although I know it can be annoying. I spent a while requesting uploads before I was granted the ability to upload directly.
:In short, these "lower" promotions do often come to editors who prove themselves, but it takes time and effort. Higher promotions (such as to the administrator level) are quite rare, even when there are candidates who could quality. At least most of us, if not all, are here to improve the CP, rather than to play the internal political system to earn promotion and status. Understand that to be promoted to full Administrator is rare, and very unlikely for someone who has recently joined. At any level, promotions can be considered a privilege, but not a right.
:If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 04:19, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

::Hey, for one, how do I determine if an image is free of copyright or not? Can I use Google Images? 2)How do I recommend it on that article? Do I simply copy paste a link to the image? Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 14:26, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:::You need to look for images which are in the [[public domain]] or under a [[Creative Commons]] license. Here are some places I like to look for good, usable images:
:::*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr.com]
:::*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons]
:::*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:::*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
:::*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]

:::If there are none available which fit these requirements, then we can only try to use them under "[[fair use]]." If you use Google or some other such search engine, you must go to the actual website and find their licensing agreements, to ensure that they do not expressly prohibit retransmission and republishing. "Fair use" is a last resort, and we try to avoid using this claim as much as possible, since it is difficult to legally define.
:::You copy and paste the link to the file you want onto the [[CP:IUR]] page, and sign at the end of the request. Typically, it is then reviewed and uploaded, and the uploader responds to the request with the file name on CP. The requesting user then goes and adds the image(s) to the page(s) they intended. You do not need to state what page the image is intended for in the upload request, though it doesn't hurt to do so, especially if we are going to be using it under "fair use." --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:13, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Hey David, I posted the new requests... Please, get to them as soon as you can, I tried my best to make them clear... If you need help understanding what I meant (unlikely), let me know. Thanks! --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:21, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:You request was perfectly clear. In case you haven't already noticed, I uploaded and added them. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:34, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== Micro evolution ==

Micro evolution is the change BELOW the species level, macro evolution is the one above... Both have been observed. Micro evolution WILL ALWAYS lead to macro evolution GIVEN SUFFICENT TIME...

Here... This guy puts it simply... Watch these 2 videos. They are VERY entertaining, you will NOT be bored. He puts it simply. This will explain it in SIMPLE terms... Watch video number one AND THEN number 2... You will definitely change your POV a little at least...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnygS7opCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ilMYc5xdQ

--[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:11, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

:The arguments are not new. Here is a short article explaining the difference: http://www.icr.org/article/what-difference-between-macroevolution-microevolut/
:Now we get to things like:
:*Why are there really no confirmed transitional species? Why do scientists keep inventing them rather than finding them?
:*Why are we not burred up to our elbows in fossils from transition species?
:*Why is it that any significant evolution in the modern day is harmful? Just look at the miracle of the four-winged fruit fly, which has no muscles attached, so they greatly impede flight. On top of this, all other fruit flies refuse to mate with them, due to the mutation.
:*Does similarity really show common ancestry, or rather common designer?
:*Why did Darwin himself declare that his entire theory should be considered null and void if the cell was ever found to be anything more than an inert building block? (of course, he knew nothing about DNA, either)
:*Why do human genes most closely match those of a worm, not an ape?
:*Why do apes have more chromosomes that humans, rather than less, as the supposed progression would suggest?
:*Why is it that since the Cambrian explosion, there have been found no new ''species'' in the fossil record?
:*Why is it that the Cambrian explosion even occurred? There is nothing gradual about that...it's just *poof* all life appears on a formerly dead planet. The only evidence of life below the Cambrian layer are a few sponge embryos, which probably got there through contamination.
:*Are humans actually devolving?
:**Humans used to live much longer than they do now. For example, Neanderthals lived so long that their jaw and foreheads (which never stop growing) grew so much as to change their appearance
:**Human teeth used to heal, but no longer do
:**Some say that human brain cavities are actually shrinking, though I have not researched this to verify the claim
:**While medical science has improved our understanding of biology, things such as allergies seem to be much ore common in recent years. Are our immune systems forgetting how to tell friend from foe?
:*How is it that a team of monkeys with a typewriter are more likely to write out the entire library of congress in chronological order by accident, than a DNA strand is to accidentally form?

:The argument is always time. They count on there being at least some shadow of a doubt about how it is just slightly possible that given a few hundred millennia, xyz might happen. Now they can't even pretend the earth is old enough to prop up this ridiculous theory, so now they are hoping to find or invent some kind of "proof" that life started on another planet, preferably so far from earth that we have no way to study it.

:And by the way, I'm not a fan of "youtubers" who use poor video editing, interruptions, and all manner of other childish methods. There is nothing intellectual or scientific about the likes of these.

:There are so many things wrong with the theory of macroevolution, that I don't even know where to start. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:29, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Hello David, these two categories should probably be merged: [[:Category:DC]], [[:Category:Washington, DC]].

Also, these categories either should be moved (so they're capitalized) or deleted: [[:Category:Movies about Fathers and Sons]], [[:Category:Movies about fathers and daughters]], [[:Category:Movies about high school]], [[:Category:Movies about joining a clique]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:58, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

:I agree, and merged the two categories. The "DC" one is currently a redirect, though we could just delete that. Some of these other categories seem a little odd, such as "Movies about joining a clique" which only has two pages. However, there's no harm in keeping it I suppose. I'll move those soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:53, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
::Thanks! Would you please also take care of BHathorn's request [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Contact_Us&curid=45451&diff=1418798&oldid=1409729 here] to move the article [[Leroy Shafer]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:43, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Done, thanks for pointing it out! Thanks also for the deletions. I was planning to delete DC2 after a few days, but leave it a little while so as not to confuse Andy if he revisits it to restore protection. No matter, it needed to be deleted eventually anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:21, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

I've been busy letting you know about categories with improper capitalization, but I created (and didn't notice) the [[:Category:Donald Trump achievements]] category, which also needs the "A" capitalized. Would you please fix that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 11 May 2018 (EDT)
:Also, would you please move [[Iranian nuke deal]] to "Iran nuclear deal" (for which a redirect already exists)? The latter is a more common term and the former's wording is a bit awkward, I think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:07, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

::Done! It is sometimes surprising how easy it is to make a mistake that you are generally fixing after others make it... --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Thanks, and that's true. One thing: your bot made several unhelpful changes when it fixed the category, mainly by removing necessary "<nowiki> </nowiki>" tags and changing the "main article" template at the top to a format that doesn't suit the article. I reverted all those changes while keeping the constructive ones. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:40, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

::::I was just looking at your reversions. Sorry about that! I had a minor problem with the bot, and needed to revert to an earlier version of it. Unfortunately, I forgot to update the edit rules (and some code), so it did everything the original regex engine creator intended. I'll try to avoid that in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:43, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::::That's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:45, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move these two categories to fix their capitalization: [[:Category:English activists]], [[:Category:Counter-jihad activists]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:10, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:Would you also please move [[:Category:Self-defense]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:31, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

::Will do, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:07, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Finally done. Sorry for the wait! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks, and that's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:02, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the [[United Nations human rights council]] page over the rightly-capitalized [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council&redirect=no redirect]? Also, the page [[Human Rights Commission]] should be moved to [[United Nations Human Rights Commission]] (and also, the latter organization ceased to exist upon the council's creation, though the CP article doesn't show that). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:04, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

:I think those should be all set. The [[United Nations human rights council]] redirect could be deleted, but there are currently pages linking to that name, so corrections will be needed. I can do that later (if I'm not to scatter-brained to remember) or you can. Let me know if there's anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
::I think I fixed the rest of these issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:11, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

== Move request for California nebula ==

Could you move [[California nebula]] to [[Barnard's loop]]? I messed up and wrote it on the wrong page. [[User:FredericBernard|FredericBernard]] ([[User talk:FredericBernard|talk]]) 13:13, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

:Of course! I've moved the page, and removed the redirect since this was a mistake. (If you want a redirect, feel free to add one, though.) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:40, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

::Please move this page to an essay and delete the redirect (along with any other formatting/categories/etc.): [[The evil of the school system]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:53, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Done: [[Essay:The evil of the school system]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:21, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks! Would you also please check the essay for plagiarism (just to be safe)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:55, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::::I was going to say that it's a good idea regardless (one I should have thought of), but I actually found something. It appears that the essay is an expansion on this article: https://politicalfestdotblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/17/school-kids-are-usually-unhealthy/
:::::However, that is very much an unfinished site, so it may well have been created by the same person who posted this essay here. This text does not seem to exist on any other indexed pages on the Internet right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:43, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
::::::Oh, and the screen names posting the text on CP and the wordpress site are the same. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:03, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the article [[By-election]] to [[Special election]], which is the American term for the same concept? Also, would you please move [[:Category:List of Law Enforcement Agencies]] to [[:Category:Law Enforcement Agencies]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:51, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:In addition to the above, I would appreciate it if you would move the articles [[New Orleans Hornets]] and [[Charlotte Bobcats]] per the recent edits on it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:59, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

::I've done all but the category. I will do that one later, when I get the chance to set up the bot. I recommend leaving all of the redirect in place (except for the upcoming category one), but it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I agree -- leaving all the redirects is the best (and only reasonable) decision. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
::::Please also move the page [[Massresistence]] to [[MassResistance]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::Done, redirect left in place. Sorry for the wait, I have not been feeling well. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:36, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
::::::You're welcome, and I hope you're feeling better. However, the link above I suggested is still red. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:39, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, not so much I'm afraid. Perhaps I can blame that for this blunder?? ;)
:::::::It should be right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:53, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Would it be OK if you move [[Leftwing violence in the Trump era]] to [[Left-wing violence in the Trump era]], and fix the double redirects that will result from this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:35, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:It's probably fine. Maybe I should have posed a proposal first, but I just did it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:39, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

::Would you also please move [[:Category:Complex analysis]] to capitalize the "a" and delete the resulting redirect? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

:::Of course! Will do, but it might take a little while. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:06, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

::::In addition to the above, would you please move the [[Open ended questions]] article to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Open-ended_question&redirect=no Open-ended question] (now a redirect)? Pinley tried doing it manually, though we should move pages the correct way. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:08, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:::::Done. I'm working on transferring my bot to a new system, which is why I'm taking so long on the category moves. I will do it eventually, but I prefer to use the bot to do the hard work. Apologies for the wait on those! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:12, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Hi! A few things... I was wondering if you could move [[Primary sex characteristics]] to [[Primary sex characteristic]], since [[Secondary sex characteristic]] is singular. Additionally, [[Chartist movement]] should be merged with [[Chartism]]. Thanks! --[[User:Pinely|Pinely]] ([[User talk:Pinely|TALK]]) 23:45, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! I have moved that page as requested. I can do the merge later, but not right now. Thanks for the suggestions! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

::I see that your bot fixed the categories for [[:Category:List of Law Enforcement Agencies]] to to the name that I proposed, but you haven't actually moved the category yet. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:14, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

:::Thanks. I think I would have figured it out in short order, but I did get distracted. It's done now. Are there any other outstanding requests you know which I should take care of? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:25, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

::::I don't think so. I'll reply to your email shortly. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:36, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

==Re: Photo for Gandalf==
Hello, DavidB4: thanks for your informative messages on my talk page. I don't think that we'll be able to find a free alternative to New Line Cinema's copyrighted material, so could you upload an image under a rationale such as this?: '''This image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the film and does not limit New Line Cinema's ability to sell or show the film.''' In answer to your question, by the way, yes, I think I'd prefer a photo that's not quite so tight. ;)
—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 20:11, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

:You are very welcome!
:We may be able to use one under the fair use clause. Have you found a good image which is under copyright? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:19, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
::How about the first one in this gallery from Imgur?: [https://imgur.com/gallery/HIf1F]. —[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 11:58, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

:::Uploaded: [[:File:Gandalf.jpg]]
:::We like to limit the number of copyrighted images we use, but since there really was no alternative, this one is probably alright to use. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:44, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
::::Thank you so much! :)
::::—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 18:14, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

== Photos that can be uploaded to the Conservapedia ==

Hi, I found some photos in the Wikimedia Commons. These are useful photos that related to Islam and Islamists, we can use them in articles. We don't have to use all of these photos in various articles, but uploading all of the photos on the site will be good for archiving. Nevertheless, a few of them will definitely be used:
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2012_Sydney_protest.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islamic_Protest_in_Hyde_Park,_Sydney_01.JPG]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%22Freedom_go_to_hell%22.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_public_demonstration_demanding_Sharia_in_Britain.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_public_demonstration_calling_for_Sharia_Islamic_Law_in_Maldives_2014.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Street_protest_calling_for_Sharia_in_Maldives,_Democracy_failed_system_poster.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_public_demonstration_in_Maldive,_calling_for_Sharia_2014.jpg] - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 03:26, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

:We generally don't upload image sunless we are sure we plan to use them. However, for these, I agree that it might be a good idea to make an exception. I'm starting through them.
:#[[:File:2012 Sydney protest.jpg]]
:#[[:File:Islamic Protest in Hyde Park, Sydney.JPG]]
:#[[:File:Freedom go to h.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:57, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
:#[[:File:A public demonstration demanding Sharia in Britain.jpg]]
:#[[:File:Protest calling for Sharia in Maldives 2014.jpg]]
:#[[:File:Street protest calling for Sharia in Maldives, Democracy failed system poster.jpg]]
:#[[:File:A public demonstration in Maldive, calling for Sharia 2014.jpg]]
:These were some good suggestions, and I expect they will be useful! Let me know if you need anything else! Also, if you find more images you want uploaded, you can ask me directly, or go to the designated page for image uploads, [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] ([[CP:IUR]]) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:05, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

==Theatrical Poster Images for LotR==
Hello again! I was just wondering whether you'd be willing to upload three theatrical poster images of the LotR trilogy; I noticed that there weren't any on any of their Conservapedia articles. I got these from Wikipedia:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lord_of_the_Rings_-_The_Two_Towers.jpg]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Lord_of_the_Rings_The_Fellowship_of_the_Ring_(2001)_theatrical_poster.jpg]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lord_of_the_Rings_-_The_Return_of_the_King.jpg] 

I'm planning to work on the FotR, TTT and RotK articles sometime soon! Thank you for reading this message! :)
—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 11:24, 14 August 2018 (EDT)

:Well, it's a good idea to add them then! I've uploaded these.
:[[:File:Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers.jpg]]
:[[:File:The Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) theatrical poster.jpg]]
:[[:File:Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:30, 15 August 2018 (EDT)
::Thanks so much!
::—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 11:59, 16 August 2018 (EDT)

The Two Towers (2002 film)

2018-08-16T15:59:33Z

Fëalórin:

{{Infobox Film
| name=The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
| image=Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers.jpg
| caption=The theatrical poster
| director=[[Peter Jackson]]
| producer=Peter Jackson Michael Lynne Mark Ordesky Barrie M. Osborne Robert Shaye Fran Walsh Bob Weinstein Harvey Weinstein
| writer=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (original) Fran Walsh Philippa Boyens Stephen Sinclair Peter Jackson
| narrator=
| starring=Elijah Wood [[Ian McKellen]] Sean Astin
| music=Howard Shore
| cinematography=Andrew Lesnie
| editing=Michael Horton
| distributor=New Line Cinema
| released=December 18, 2002
| runtime=179 min
| country=New Zealand
| language=English
| budget=
| gross=
| preceded_by=[[The Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001)|The Fellowship of the Ring]]
| followed_by=[[The Return of the King (film, 2003)|The Return of the King]]
| website=
| amg_id=
| imdb_id=0167261
}}

'''''The Two Towers''''' is a film adapted from [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]'s classic book of the same name. It is the second in Peter Jackson's ''Lord of the Rings'' trilogy. The film made significant changes, including making the battle of Helm's Deep the climax of the film. Instead of ending the film with Frodo's capture by the orcs in Shelob's Lair, the character of Faramir attempts to take the ring to Gondor.

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[[Category:Science Fiction Movies]]
[[Category:Fiction]]
[[Category:Movies]]
[[Category:Novels]]
[[Category:Survivalist Fiction]]
[[Category:Dystopian Fiction]]
[[Category:Science Fiction]]

The Fellowship of the Ring (2001 film)

2018-08-16T15:59:30Z

Fëalórin:

{{Infobox Film
| name=The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
| image=The Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) theatrical poster.jpg
| caption=The theatrical poster
| director=[[Peter Jackson]]
| producer=Peter Jackson Michael Lynne Mark Ordesky Barrie M. Osborne Tim Sanders Robert Shaye Fran Walsh Bob Weinstein Harvey Weinstein
| writer=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (original) Fran Walsh Philippa Boyens Peter Jackson
| narrator=
| starring=[[Elijah Wood]] [[Ian McKellen]] [[Sean Astin]] [[Viggo Mortensen]] [[Liv Tyler]] [[Hugo Weaving]] [[Dominic Monaghan]] [[Billy Boyd]] [[Christopher Lee]]
| music=[[Howard Shore]]
| cinematography=Andrew Lesnie
| editing=John Gilbert
| distributor=[[New Line Cinema]]
| released=December 19, 2001
| runtime=178 min
| country=[[New Zealand]]
| language=English
| budget=
| gross=
| preceded_by=
| followed_by=[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Two Towers]]
| website=
| amg_id=
| imdb_id=0120737
}}

'''The Fellowship of the Ring''' is a 2001 film directed by [[Peter Jackson]] adapting [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s popular book by the same name. The film was well-received by both the audience and critics, with an 8.8 [[IMDb]] rating and 91% on [[Rotten Tomatoes]]. The film received twelve [[Oscar]] nominations, and won four, including "Best Original Score". The film made significant departures from the book, most notably in the Fellowship of the Ring is the absence of Tom Bombadil. The film also expanded other portions, such as Saruman the White's treachery.

{{DEFAULTSORT:Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001), The}}
[[Category:Movies]]
[[Category:Greatest Conservative Movies]]
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The Return of the King (2003 film)

2018-08-16T15:58:42Z

Fëalórin:

{{Infobox Film
| name=The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
| image=Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King.jpg
| caption= The theatrical poster
| director=[[Peter Jackson]]
| producer=Peter Jackson Michael Lynne Mark Ordesky Barrie M. Osborne Robert Shaye Fran Walsh Bob Weinstein Harvey Weinstein
| writer=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (original) Fran Walsh Philippa Boyens Peter Jackson
| narrator=
| starring=Elijah Wood [[Ian McKellen]] Sean Astin Viggo Mortensen
| music=Howard Shore
| cinematography=Andrew Lesnie
| editing=Jamie Selkirk
| distributor=New Line Cinema
| released=December 17, 2003
| runtime=201 min
| country=New Zealand
| language=English
| budget=
| gross=
| preceded_by=[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Two Towers]]
| followed_by=[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]
| website=
| amg_id=
| imdb_id=0167260
}}

'''The Return of the King''' is a film made by Peter Jackson adapting the last book in J.R.R. Tolkien's classic trilogy, [[The Lord of the Rings]]. The film made significant omissions, such as the omission of the battle in the Shire and death of Saruman (Saruman's death is shown in the extended edition, though it happens at Isengard instead of the Shire.) The film won all 11 of the Oscars it was nominated for, including Best Art Direction/Set Direction, Best Costume Design, Best Director, Best Editing, Best Makeup, Best Music/Original Score, Best Music/Original Song, Best Picture, Best Sound Mixing, Best Visual Effects and Best Writing/Adapted Screenplay. The film remains one of the joint-record holders for the most Academy Awards won, along with [[Ben-Hur (film, 1959)|Ben-Hur]] and [[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]].

{{DEFAULTSORT:Return of the King (2003 film), The}}
[[Category:Greatest Conservative Movies]]
[[Category:Lord of the Rings]]

The Fellowship of the Ring (2001 film)

2018-08-16T15:58:39Z

Fëalórin:

{{Infobox Film
| name=The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
| image=The Lord of the Rings The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) theatrical poster.jpg
| caption=The theatrical poster of The Return of the King.
| director=[[Peter Jackson]]
| producer=Peter Jackson Michael Lynne Mark Ordesky Barrie M. Osborne Tim Sanders Robert Shaye Fran Walsh Bob Weinstein Harvey Weinstein
| writer=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (original) Fran Walsh Philippa Boyens Peter Jackson
| narrator=
| starring=[[Elijah Wood]] [[Ian McKellen]] [[Sean Astin]] [[Viggo Mortensen]] [[Liv Tyler]] [[Hugo Weaving]] [[Dominic Monaghan]] [[Billy Boyd]] [[Christopher Lee]]
| music=[[Howard Shore]]
| cinematography=Andrew Lesnie
| editing=John Gilbert
| distributor=[[New Line Cinema]]
| released=December 19, 2001
| runtime=178 min
| country=[[New Zealand]]
| language=English
| budget=
| gross=
| preceded_by=
| followed_by=[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Two Towers]]
| website=
| amg_id=
| imdb_id=0120737
}}

'''The Fellowship of the Ring''' is a 2001 film directed by [[Peter Jackson]] adapting [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s popular book by the same name. The film was well-received by both the audience and critics, with an 8.8 [[IMDb]] rating and 91% on [[Rotten Tomatoes]]. The film received twelve [[Oscar]] nominations, and won four, including "Best Original Score". The film made significant departures from the book, most notably in the Fellowship of the Ring is the absence of Tom Bombadil. The film also expanded other portions, such as Saruman the White's treachery.

{{DEFAULTSORT:Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001), The}}
[[Category:Movies]]
[[Category:Greatest Conservative Movies]]
[[Category:The Lord of the Rings film trilogy]]
[[Category:Middle-earth]]

The Fellowship of the Ring (2001 film)

2018-08-16T15:56:49Z

Fëalórin:

{{Infobox Film
| name=The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
| image=[[File:Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King.jpg]]
| caption=The theatrical poster of The Return of the King.
| director=[[Peter Jackson]]
| producer=Peter Jackson Michael Lynne Mark Ordesky Barrie M. Osborne Tim Sanders Robert Shaye Fran Walsh Bob Weinstein Harvey Weinstein
| writer=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (original) Fran Walsh Philippa Boyens Peter Jackson
| narrator=
| starring=[[Elijah Wood]] [[Ian McKellen]] [[Sean Astin]] [[Viggo Mortensen]] [[Liv Tyler]] [[Hugo Weaving]] [[Dominic Monaghan]] [[Billy Boyd]] [[Christopher Lee]]
| music=[[Howard Shore]]
| cinematography=Andrew Lesnie
| editing=John Gilbert
| distributor=[[New Line Cinema]]
| released=December 19, 2001
| runtime=178 min
| country=[[New Zealand]]
| language=English
| budget=
| gross=
| preceded_by=
| followed_by=[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Two Towers]]
| website=
| amg_id=
| imdb_id=0120737
}}

'''The Fellowship of the Ring''' is a 2001 film directed by [[Peter Jackson]] adapting [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s popular book by the same name. The film was well-received by both the audience and critics, with an 8.8 [[IMDb]] rating and 91% on [[Rotten Tomatoes]]. The film received twelve [[Oscar]] nominations, and won four, including "Best Original Score". The film made significant departures from the book, most notably in the Fellowship of the Ring is the absence of Tom Bombadil. The film also expanded other portions, such as Saruman the White's treachery.

{{DEFAULTSORT:Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001), The}}
[[Category:Movies]]
[[Category:Greatest Conservative Movies]]
[[Category:The Lord of the Rings film trilogy]]
[[Category:Middle-earth]]

Morgoth

2018-08-15T18:32:11Z

Fëalórin:

'''Morgoth Bauglir''' is a character in [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]'s [[Middle-earth]] world. He is the first Dark Lord and the main antagonist until the end of the [[First Age (Middle-earth)|First Age]], as told in the book ''[[The Silmarillion]]''.<ref name="silmarillion">J.R.R. Tolkien, ''The Silmarillion'', Allen & Unwin (1977)</ref> The name ''Morgoth'' means "Black Foe of the World" and ''Bauglir'' "Oppressor"; both names are in the [[Sindarin]] tongue.

Previously known as '''Melkor''', he was the most powerful of the [[Ainu (Middle-earth)|Ainur]], until he turned to the darkness and became Morgoth, the ultimate enemy of [[Arda]]. ''Melkor'' means "he who arises in might." After his downfall, "Melkor" was not allowed to be said in the society of the [[Quendi|Elves]]. It is from him that all evil in Middle-Earth is ultimately derived. [[Sauron]], once one of the [[Maia (Middle-earth)|Maiar]] of [[Aulë]], switched allegiances and became Morgoth's principal lieutenant.<ref name ="HoMe10">J.R.R. Tolkien, ''The History of Middle-earth'', Vol. X ''Morgoth's Ring'', Harper Collins (1994)</ref>

Morgoth was the main agent of evil during the events of ''The Silmarillion'', and his influence continued to linger in Middle-earth even after he was cast into the void. His example was used to provide later ages with cautionary tales, warning against pride, wrath, envy, lust for power, and greed and the destruction these can bring down on oneself and others.<ref name="silmarillion"/>

== References ==
{{reflist|1}}

{{Middle-earth}}
[[Category:Middle-earth]]

Family-friendly

2018-08-14T19:35:46Z

Fëalórin:

The term '''family-friendly''' is applied to entertainment or educational material (most frequently [[movies]] and [[video games]]) which is appropriate for use by all ages. It is characterized by being free from sexual descriptions (in words or images), [[profanity]], [[blasphemy]], [[drug]] use, graphic depictions of [[crime|criminal]] violence, and is respectful towards [[Christian]] world-view and values.

Though the system of movie age ratings can provide some guide to the content of entertainment, it does not offer a complete description. To fill this niche, Christian services such as [[Movieguide]] and [[CAPAlert]] provide a detailed breakdown of how different aspects of a movie could be considered unsuitable for families.

The term ''family-friendly'' may also be used disparagingly to imply material has been sanitised to the point it is misleading, unrealistic or inaccurate.

[[Category:Ethics]]
[[Category:Sociology]]
[[Category:Virtues]]

BCE

2018-08-14T19:32:33Z

Fëalórin:

'''BCE''' is the abbreviated form of the term "Before [[Common Era]]", a mathematical, but not philosophical equivalent of [[BC]], or "Before Christ". Some historians have argued that the use of BC implies that all history is relative to [[Christ]], whereas the use of BCE denies that Christ is the basis of our calendar system.

== See also ==
*[[BCE and CE]]
*[[CE]]
*[[Persecution]]

[[Category:Chronology]]
[[Category:Dating Systems]]

Liberapedia

2018-08-14T18:59:49Z

Fëalórin:

{{move|Liberapedia}}
'''Liberapedia''' is a [[wiki]] project which describes itself as a "wiki that tries to give truthful and accurate information about [[liberal]] beliefs, which have been proved better... than other points of view", yet, in its content, turns out to be just a [[parody]] wiki based on liberal views.

==General information==
Liberapedia is significantly smaller than [[Conservapedia]], only containing about 3,300 articles. Most articles on the website are poorly-written, and some of them are incredibly short, containing only up to 500 characters written by a single editor.

The articles themselves contain little factual content and mostly consist of poorly-explained subjective opinions (which have little to do on an encyclopedia) and "jokes" of questionable quality—the presence of which is often explained in the beginning of the article. Quite often, the articles just refer to [[Wikipedia]] or another wiki for factual information.

==Liberapedia on Conservapedia==

"Conservapedia sucks because they have stupid fundy religious ideas and right-wing crap. They hate everything that is in the left-wing spectrum and they think that they are trust-worthy."

The website constantly accuses [[Conservapedia]], as well as anything labeled by them as "conservative", of being incorrect or ignorant. For example, the conservatives are called "hypocrites", "poorly educated", "racist", and many other names without any explanation or evidence.

Liberal trolls and vandals (along with a few regular liberal contributors on Conservapedia) frequently try to impose their views and censor facts, the truth and conservative views on this site through their edits to turn it into Liberalpedia as well, but such efforts never succeed as their edits are reverted and the offenders are almost always banned for vandalism, vulgarity, immaturity, trolling and insertion of liberal lies, propaganda and information known to be incorrect.

==Liberapedia on liberals==

Liberapedia has referred to itself as quote "a thriving source of the truth on the internet" while giving no information on why it is the "truth".

"Liberal men are by far better in bed and tend to be in better physical, mental, social, psychological, and spiritual health than conservative men. In contrast, conservative men tend to be obese, inhibited, abusive, and they'd rather view porn than please their wives." They provide no evidence of this, and this information can be contradicted very easily as well as exposed for what it is, liberal [[projection]].

==External links==
* [http://liberapedia.wikia.com Liberapedia]

[[Category:Liberalism]]

Liberapedia

2018-08-14T18:58:33Z

Fëalórin:

{{move|Liberapedia}}
'''Liberapedia''' is a [[wiki]] project which describes itself as a "wiki that tries to give truthful and accurate information about [[liberal]] beliefs, which have been proved better... than other points of view", yet, in its content, turns out to be just a [[parody]] wiki based on liberal views.

==General information==
Liberapedia is significantly smaller than [[Conservapedia]], only containing about 2,500 articles. Most articles on the website are poorly-written, and some of them are incredibly short, containing only up to 500 characters written by a single editor.

The articles themselves contain little factual content and mostly consist of poorly-explained subjective opinions (which have little to do on an encyclopedia) and "jokes" of questionable quality—the presence of which is often explained in the beginning of the article. Quite often, the articles just refer to [[Wikipedia]] or another wiki for factual information.

==Liberapedia on Conservapedia==

"Conservapedia sucks because they have stupid fundy religious ideas and right-wing crap. They hate everything that is in the left-wing spectrum and they think that they are trust-worthy."

The website constantly accuses [[Conservapedia]], as well as anything labeled by them as "conservative", of being incorrect or ignorant. For example, the conservatives are called "hypocrites", "poorly educated", "racist", and many other names without any explanation or evidence.

Liberal trolls and vandals (along with a few regular liberal contributors on Conservapedia) frequently try to impose their views and censor facts, the truth and conservative views on this site through their edits to turn it into Liberalpedia as well, but such efforts never succeed as their edits are reverted and the offenders are almost always banned for vandalism, vulgarity, immaturity, trolling and insertion of liberal lies, propaganda and information known to be incorrect.

==Liberapedia on liberals==

Liberapedia has referred to itself as quote "a thriving source of the truth on the internet" while giving no information on why it is the "truth".

"Liberal men are by far better in bed and tend to be in better physical, mental, social, psychological, and spiritual health than conservative men. In contrast, conservative men tend to be obese, inhibited, abusive, and they'd rather view porn than please their wives." They provide no evidence of this, and this information can be contradicted very easily as well as exposed for what it is, liberal [[projection]].

==External links==
* [http://liberapedia.wikia.com Liberapedia]

[[Category:Liberalism]]

Liv Tyler

2018-08-14T16:58:04Z

Fëalórin:

'''Liv Tyler''' is an [[American]] [[actor|actress]], known for her role as [[Arwen]] in [[The Lord of the Rings film trilogy]], and ''Grace'' in ''Armageddon''.

[[Category:Actresses]]
[[Category:Americans]]

Category:The Lord of the Rings film trilogy

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This cateogry is for films in [[The Lord of the Rings film trilogy]].

The Fellowship of the Ring (2001 film)

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{{Infobox Film
| name=The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
| image=
| caption=
| director=[[Peter Jackson]]
| producer=Peter Jackson Michael Lynne Mark Ordesky Barrie M. Osborne Tim Sanders Robert Shaye Fran Walsh Bob Weinstein Harvey Weinstein
| writer=[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] (original) Fran Walsh Philippa Boyens Peter Jackson
| narrator=
| starring=[[Elijah Wood]] [[Ian McKellen]] [[Sean Astin]] [[Viggo Mortensen]] [[Liv Tyler]] [[Hugo Weaving]] [[Dominic Monaghan]] [[Billy Boyd]] [[Christopher Lee]]
| music=[[Howard Shore]]
| cinematography=Andrew Lesnie
| editing=John Gilbert
| distributor=[[New Line Cinema]]
| released=December 19, 2001
| runtime=178 min
| country=[[New Zealand]]
| language=English
| budget=
| gross=
| preceded_by=
| followed_by=[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Two Towers]]
| website=
| amg_id=
| imdb_id=0120737
}}

'''The Fellowship of the Ring''' is a 2001 film directed by [[Peter Jackson]] adapting [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s popular book by the same name. The film was well-received by both the audience and critics, with an 8.8 [[IMDb]] rating and 91% on [[Rotten Tomatoes]]. The film received twelve [[Oscar]] nominations, and won four, including "Best Original Score". The film made significant departures from the book, most notably in the Fellowship of the Ring is the absence of Tom Bombadil. The film also expanded other portions, such as Saruman the White's treachery.

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== Question ==

What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

== move request / delete request ==

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)

::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Conservapedia IRC channel ==

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
:::::Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Image typo ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Merge cats? ==

Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])

Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

== Moving Pages ==

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway. I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]]. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Anti-Trump" article ==

Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
:Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Picture Upload Requests==

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423

Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg

:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).

== Question ==

Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion ==

Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

:Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Ref help and suggestion ==

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

==Regarding Ransomware==
I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
:2. Reinstalling Windows.
:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
:# Not going to work, as explained.
:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
:#Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).

:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.

:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system. [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.

:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

==Congressman John Fleming==

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== Editor ==

Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

== Protection ==

The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==

Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

== D.T. achievements article question ==

The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

::That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

::They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

== Bye ==

It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
:I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
::He appears to have been some type of parodist.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::Clearly I missed that. Thanks for trying anyway....
::I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
:Thank you for your kind words.
:::BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
: I need someone to get rid of the title [[Joseph Belloc]] so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
::Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== Cleaning up after the blocked users ==

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from [http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page this website]. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::::I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt|here]], including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.

:Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.

:I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below ==

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.

If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.

=== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable? ===

{{welcome}}

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes. I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
==== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ====

[[File:Plate of cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Conservative! I am [[User:This lousy T-shirt|This lousy T-shirt]] and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Knox490|your contributions]]. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], or feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:This lousy T-shirt|my talk page]] or type ''{{tl|helpme}}'' at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
* [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]]
* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
* [[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
* [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia].
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether. As time allows, I'll see what I can put together. Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I'll see what I can do. It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

:::::::I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work. Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea. I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow. Maybe I can find a good shade combo though. Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

== Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page. Here is the updated version ==

Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: [https://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+basket&rlz=1C1PRFG_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHyI_c0trUAhUH0oMKHeMQDy4Q_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510#tbm=isch&q=welcome+fruit+basket Google images - Welcome fruit baskets]. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at: https://pixabay.com/en/photos/?hp=&image_type=&cat=&min_width=&min_height=&q=fruit+basket&order=

Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/similar/350093981

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== Email ==

I sent you an email about a question I have. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you another one. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
::Replied --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

I sent you an email several days ago, but you haven't responded. Maybe you didn't intend to, or you're taking your time to respond, but I just want to be sure you got it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:56, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

:I read it some time ago, but it seems I forgot to respond... My apologies! I've sent you a reply now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

I replied to your email (twice), but I received an automated email saying that my response was unable to reach you, saying it was a "permanent error" and (though it's hard to understand) that someone's IP address was blocked as spam for some reason. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:I did receive them both, and have replied. My spam filter has been a little on the fritz lately. Having my address publicly posted has enabled web spiders to scrape it, and sell my address to spammers. I can always change my address if it gets too annoying, but it hasn't really been a problem due to spam filtering. It seem I'll need to look into this, though. It has been flagging some messages from Conservative as spam, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:31, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

== Image question ==

I was also looking to add an image to [[Rare (company)]], hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:Hi,
:That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission. While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights. If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright. If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it. However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it. You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side. If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable. For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking. Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that [http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/XboxComTOU these terms] (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
::Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them. Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft. In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== Gender ideology ==
Hi, you reverted my last contribution in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gender_ideology&diff=prev&oldid=1363294 here] that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --[[User:AK|AK]] ([[User talk:AK|talk]]) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:BTW, I restored the page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake. I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990'sguy for restoring it! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

== Move requests ==

I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: [[:Category:Globalist]] to [[:Category:Globalists]], and [[:Category:Nationalist]] to [[:Category:Nationalists]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
:Good suggestions--done. I can move the pages using my bot later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Hello David, would you please move these two categories: [[:Category:Media personalities]] to [[:Category:Media Personalities]], and [[:Category:High schools]] to [[:Category:High Schools]]? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

:Done. The images in [[:Category:Media personalities]] were protected so they could not be moved. All the rest are taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thank you for your assistance. Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed". Please look at: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_achievements:_Criminal_justice,_law_enforcement,_and_other_DOJ_matters&diff=1368054&oldid=1368043 this proposal.] Many thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
:I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== IP blocks ==

Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

:It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
:If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright. I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies. Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses. These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more. They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.

== Copied article ==

A lot of the article [[Steppenwolf]] appears to be copied from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steppenwolf_(band)&oldid=796579357 the Wikipedia version]. Should it be deleted? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the [[Talk:Steppenwolf|talk page]] awhile back. I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person. I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

== Delete article? ==

Should we delete this article: [[Julia Gasper]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized. I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your input ==

Is this a bad edit: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&curid=1989&diff=1374996&oldid=1262366]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
:I've been pondering the same question. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chivalry merriam-webster] doesn't really specify, although some other sites like [http://www.wordnik.com/words/chivalry wordnik] do. Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
:I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

What do you think about this article? [[Peregrin Chronicles]]? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

:I don't think I can be much help with this one either. I've never heard of the series before. It exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676468266/the-aliens-have-landed-the-peregrin-chronicles-com kickstarter] didn't get much support, either. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's another one: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_evangelism&curid=105140&diff=1375410&oldid=1271896] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User Abranch|TALK]]) Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)

:::That is exactly right--I'm glad to hear those are your beliefs! Admittedly, my experience with Campus Crusade is limited to contact with one local chapter. I've never gotten into the full organization, so it's possible that things were represented slightly differently to me than is typical. I also have been out of contact with them for a little while now. I will take a look at the page you revised at some point. Thanks for your contributions so far! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:24, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's an article that might need a page move: [[Homework]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Email spam? ==

Is my email address in your spam folder again? I sent you an email a few days ago and am curious at the lack of response (though it's not important anymore). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:16, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it seems your message got lost in the noise. I already have written some rules which should be allowing all messages from CP users, but for some reason it's not working quire right. My apologies! I've relied to your message, though as you said, it's a bit late now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

::Maybe it's the name I use for my email address, "1990" for the first name and "sguy" for the last name? I have had some minor problems with my CP/WP/etc. email address before. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

:::Yeah, I think that's it. A lot of "marketing" (spam) corporations like to use algorithmically generated names, containing numbers and other gibberish. I think a batch of rules I set up early-on (before I knew better) flagged addresses starting with numbers for that reason. I think I've cleared out the offending rules. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your welcome message ==

On the user talk page [[User talk:NeilG]], someone put your newly designed welcome/template message.

Please change the color of the blue background. The dark blue combined with the black text is not the easiest to read. There is not enough contrast between those colors.

As far as a color I suggest using some shade of yellow or possibly a creamy yellow color such as [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/66/18/3e6618ad619db4d45c168d4c8dd04ea4--dutch-boy-paint-colors-paint-colours.jpg THIS COLOR] or a light parchment color such as [http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Acrylic/DecoArt/Americana/Light-Parchment/Light-Parchment.gif THIS COLOR].

In short, the black type should be on a lighter background. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

:Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't made any changes yet, but I just want to let you know I am playing with it. I was trying to stick with the red-white-blue theme, as requested by others, but I'll try deviating from that theme. I though the background was light enough for the black text, but even if it is, the blue links don't work on blue. I suppose I could do a dark background and light text, too. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear. If I cant't find something I like, I'll at least make an edit to improve it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:35, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::Is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Greeting&oldid=1379860 this] more like what you were thinking of? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:14, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

== Image copyright ==

Considering the "Personality rights warning" tag, is there any problem in uploading this image? [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_portrait_of_Mr_Jacob_Rees-Mogg.jpg] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:39, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
:Also, in addition to the Corporate tyranny article (if you are still planning on it), would you please add that box-format code to the list of corporate supporters in the [[Southern Poverty Law Center]] and [[Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights]] articles? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

::It sounds to me like we can use that image. They seem to just be saying that although the images is CC licensed, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg still has legal claim on his likeness. This is nothing new, since every photograph of a person is like this. It should be fine to go for it.
::I wasn't aware of those pages needing it, but yes, I can probably do it. Doing this takes a fair amount of time, but also I need preview frequently. Right now, I'me getting 500 errors about 60% of the time, so I can't count on it lot loosing my work. (Submitting this took 3 tries and 2 minutes) Once things stabilize, I'll give it a go. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:51, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::BTW, I learned recently that if you make an edit and the internal server error (why in the world is it happening so much now?) come on, you can just press the refresh button and your edit will still be saved. You don't need to worry about your information being lost. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point! I've noticed that sometimes works, but I've had times when it doesn't. However, some browsers hold information from past pages. I'm using [[Vivaldi (web browser)|Vivaldi]], which does this. In case of a 500 error, I can just hit back and it instantly loads back the past (edit) page with my edits. I think a number of them do this, including Firefox. I don't know if this works for you.
::::Conservative thinks its due to D/DoS attacks--I don't know if this is the case or not, but it could be. The server responds, but there seems to be some problem in the server's internal services; download requests are not handled properly. Sometimes the requests are not served at all, and other times an incomplete answer is provided. It sounds to me more like a problem with the server processing power or software. However, it could be a simple DoS/DDoS an attack. I have also noticed that certain queries available to the public on this site can take several minutes. Run 100 of those simultaneously, and it could load down the server too. Anyway, I've discontinued all my bot activity, which is about all I can do. It will clear up eventually. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::::David, in addition to the tables, would you please upload the image of Rees-Mogg for me? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

::::::There are still a lot of pending upload requests, but if you want me to do it so I will be liable, I suppose I can at some point. I'm busy putting out other fires at the moment. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:28, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

As requested, uploaded as [[:File:Official portrait of Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:45, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:10, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

== Move request ==

I hate to have four links starting with "Breitbart" leading to the same location, but would you please move [[Breitbart.com]] to [[Breitbart News]]? That is how they refer to themselves. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:07, 20 October 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, done! Four does seem like a bit much, but this is a good suggestion. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:10, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

Hello DavidB4, I have some more requests:
*Please move [[:Category:2016 presidential election]] to [[:Category:2016 Presidential Election]], and please use your bot to change the category name in the individual articles with it
::Done, but [[Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow]] is protected and could not be moved
*Please do the exact same thing with [[:Category:American war heroes]], [[:Category:Population politics]], [[:Category:United States Air Force aircraft]], [[:Category:Heads of government]], and [[:Category:Current Heads of government]].
::Done!
*Please move [[:Category:Neoconservative]] to [[:Category:Neoconservatives]], and use your bot to move the individual articles.
*Please movie [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] to the more recognizable name of [[:File:European Union flag.png]], and then please move the name on the linked articles
If There are any protected pages/files in any of the categories, I will ask Andy afterward to move them, as well as to delete the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)
:In addition to my above requests, do you know how to get the table at [[Conservative news websites]] to show up at the top of the article? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:57, 24 November 2017 (EST)
::It seems the table was not closed properly, so the Wiki was confused--I've fixed that. I'll move those pages soon, but this is a very busy week for me, so it may take a little time. Feel free to remind me if I don't do them in a few days. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::Also, it appears that [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] is protected, so I cannot move it. It will need to be unlocked first, which I have requested. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 27 November 2017 (EST)

:::I think that's everything, except for some [[User_talk:Aschlafly#More_delete_requests|pending unlock requests]]. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:55, 1 December 2017 (EST)
::::If you would move [[:File:Gwtgg.jpg]] and [[:File:786980.jpg]] (as well as the code on the articles they are linked on) to titles that make sense before Andy re-protects them, I would appreciate that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::::I wanted to do just that, and said as much to Andy. However, unlike the others which he completely unlocked, he left move protection on those files, so I'm assuming that he does not want them moved. I can't, so I didn't. It's a good suggestion, though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[The Battle of Sunshine Church]] to [[Battle of Sunshine Church]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:40, 6 December 2017 (EST)

Should [[Worst Liberal Video Games]] be moved to an essay? The other "Best" and "worst" articles are essays, so it might make sense to move this. Also, this article has no categories. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:Yes, [[:Category:Video Games]] should be added to it at the very least. It was your discovery, so I'll leave the categorization to you. Moving this page to essay namespace makes sense to me--"best" and "worst" are very subjective, so I see no reason not to move this. However, since it is a higher-traffic page, I wonder if the move template should be placed on it first for a little while so people have time to comment and discuss it if they want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::It might be a good idea, though at the same time, I'm sure that most page viewers don't have editing accounts. By the way, I just saw that [[Greatest Conservative Video Games]] also exists, with the same problems as the other page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:59, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:::Fair enough--I've moved both of them. I'll leave the redirects, though, to help channel the traffic. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::::Thanks. I agree about keeping the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Please move [[:Category:Rothschild family]] so "family" is capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 31 December 2017 (EST)

:I would have assumed that "family" would not be part of the proper noun on this. Have they become so well know that it has, though? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:27, 31 December 2017 (EST)
::Either way, it's a category, so per the naming convention, "family" should be capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. I'm not sure why I missed that this was a category when I asked that. Anyway, I did your suggested move as you've already seen, though I missed deleting the redirect. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 2 January 2018 (EST)

==Thanks for the message==
To David,
Thank you for your reminder. I will add them up as soon as possible. There are some sources that are conservative but in foreign languages, I will add them as soon as possible.

:Okay, thank you! Even if in a foreign language, it would be a good idea to include them...They were your information source, so they deserve credit. Anyway, you probably know all this--I just figured I'd mention it. Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:35, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

== Dealing with Hahalongboy ==

David: I am puzzled by your note on Hahalongboy's talk page. It looks as thought you may be taunting him. I would advise against this sort of thing.

Now I now nothing about what he is actually doing, or what the "Swans" band is, other than that it's pretty obvious I would never want to hear their "noise rock" (whatever that is) music. And I do not know what the "meme" is that you are talking about. That said, it seems that either
*You find his behavior utterly unacceptable, in which case you should revert or delete it, and block him, or
*You actually want to engage with him on the subject.
I would guess that it's the latter, since you know perfectly well how to block people. If so, I found what you wrote to be a bit impolite. If you can discuss with him how he can improve his writing, please do so.

You do not strike me as an impolite person, which is why I am puzzled that you seem to be speaking in riddles

There are people here who block people with incredibly impolite comments, often along the lines of "You just proved that we [presumably the Conservapedia editor community] are right about what liberals [of which you presumably are one] do." But you are not that kind of person.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:04, 3 December 2017 (EST)

:It was not my intent to specifically taunt him/her. However, they are clearly fooling around. "Haha Long Boy" is a harmless but pretty much meaningless "meme" (see: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/long-boy) which was popular among certain millennials about a year ago. On their profile page they put the grammatical equivalent of "XD" which is supposed to represent a face with mouth open and eyes tightly closed in laughter. This user is not being overtly harmful, so I was granting them the benefit of the doubt. However, in response to their goofy (childish?) behavior, I decided to "toss it right back" to them and see what happened. I suspect this is a troll, but I don't know yet. It is my intent to not be unduely hostile, but to learn their intent at the same time.
:Thanks for the feedback, though. I didn't say more to them at the time because I was still trying to determine their intentions, and didn't want to waste time on a troll. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:18, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::Fair enough. You obviously know way more about this than I do. I'll butt out now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:32, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::I sometimes pick up strange knowledge which actually proves useful. I've seen this kind of clowning around on another site I administrate, too. I usually don't engage them, but decided to give this one a try. As you probably saw, I did decide, following your comment, that I should leave a proper welcome. It never hurts, so thanks for nudge! Anyway, Conservative decided to nuke things, so I guess he decided there is nothing to be gained from it. 
:::Feel free to comment/interject/suggest/complain any time though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:45, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Image licensing ==

Hello David, I want to upload [https://www.flickr.com/photos/135638414@N02/20882496641/in/album-72157655419191143/ this image], but on the right-hand side, it says "All Rights Reserved." Does this mean I cannot upload the image? Or is it a good idea to ask the Lt. Gov. office or Patrick's campaign for permission to use it? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:09, 17 December 2017 (EST)

:Hi, It could be argued that to reuse it would be permitted under the fair use exception, but I try to avoid that here in particular. On Flickr, users specifically manage licenses, so this appears to be a deliberate act to restrict reuse. To honor that wish, I try not to use them. However, Fair Use is widely interpreted different ways...some might see it as completely fine in this case. It sounds like neither of us are confident it is acceptable, so probably you'd best skip it or ask them.
:This image looks suspiciously like it could be a government-produced image--I wonder if it could be found elsewhere with more information. If the government made it, then it's in the public domain. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:20, 19 December 2017 (EST)
::Does this also apply for state government photos? I know (partially from experience) that Wikipedia frequently deletes what official state government images (found on state government websites), allegedly due to not being free to use. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:26, 19 December 2017 (EST)

:::You're right--some states do hold copyrights, while others release all right to the public. It goes state-by-state, and I couldn't find anything on Texas specifically. So asking them would probably be the best option. Thanks for pointing that out--I was oblivious of that until now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:40, 19 December 2017 (EST)

I contacted the Office of the Lieutenant Governor Friday, and I am awaiting a response. On a different topic, please delete the redirect "Great Persecution" and move the article [[Diocletian persecution]] to it. The most common names for the persecution are either "Great Persecution" or "Diocletianic Persecution", and the current name is neither of these two. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:06, 24 December 2017 (EST)

:Okay, thanks for the heads-up. I've moved the page as requested also. Have a merry Christmas! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:21, 24 December 2017 (EST)
::Merry Christmas to you too! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 24 December 2017 (EST)

== Hi ==

So, I'm an editor on the English Wikipedia, and noticed you put a help message on my talk page back in April. I may want to start editing here. Is the Wikitext the same base language? And what would you reccommend I do to get started? Thank's, [[User:Adotchar|Adotchar]] ([[User talk:Adotchar|talk]]) 19:16, 18 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! We do use the same basic wiki language. We use MediaWiki, which is produced by the WikiMedia Foundation. A page on the basics is [[Help:How to edit a website like Conservapedia|here]], but if you know how to edit on WP, you should be all set for editing here. A basic summary of who we are and what we do is [[Conservapedia:Quick reference|here]], but an extensive guide is available [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages|in our manual of style]]. Lastly, here are our [[Conservapedia:Commandments|rules]] and our [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guidelines]].
:I know that's a lot of material, but hopefully some of it will be helpful. Other than reading up on any (or all) of that, just find something which needs improvement or creation, and edit it! Cite your sources, try to keep in uniform style, and avoid a liberal point of view. We do not specifically have a NPoV rule, so a "conservative bias" is permissible when it is supported by evidence. Otherwise, the safe option is to keep it neutral. You should also have the ability to create pages by yourself, without requesting permission.
:You can discuss possible changes on talk pages, and may want to do so for larger changes, especially on larger, more popular pages. However, this is not required. For the most part, it has been my experience that others leave you alone while you edit, unless they see an obvious problem.
:If you have any questions, you can always ask me, or you can try asking everyone on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|community portal]]. I think that just about covers it, but if I missed something or if you have any other questions, I'm happy to help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:12, 19 December 2017 (EST)

== Merging ==

Hello DavidB4, I noticed that we have two categories for the [[Tea Party Movement]]: [[:Category:Tea Party Movement]] and [[:Category:Tea Party]]. Do you agree that these should be merged?

Also, I think I mentioned to you sometime earlier about possibly merging [[Republicanism]] with [[Republican form of government]]. I will look into that soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:44, 27 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! Those do sound like good candidates to be merged--go for it! You did mention the "Republicanism" category issue, too. I would be fine with that merge as well. Thanks for doing clean-up! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)

== New Essay ==

I was thinking that this site needs a new essay on how Christians display morals and values that are antithetical to mainstream culture and all of its vices. Look at this article from the Babylon Bee:

http://babylonbee.com/news/another-actress-accuses-kirk-cameron-treating-respect/

It's pretty hilarious considering all of the sex scandals that are going on in Hollywood these days. Kirk Cameron definitely stands out from mainstream Hollywood actors by being faithfully married to his wife Chelsea since 1991. If you notice, I added several Christian songs to the "Greatest Conservative Songs" that not only promote Christian values, but also are the antithesis of modern mainstream Hollywood and Liberal values. Shobson20 (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:That is a good article, and it would be great to have something written on it. If you would like to write an essay on the subject in general, go for it! It is amazing for foreign christian beliefs are to secular ones sometimes. People don't usually become Christians expecting to be come polar opposites of the norm, but through the work of God's spirit, they in many ways do. Then the world is shocked that these Christians do respect people, abut do not engage in their vices. Many of the world's problems (drunk driving, sexually transmitted diseases, selfishness leading to communist leanings, unwanted pregnancies and single parenthood, etc.) are largely eliminated by the Christian lifestyle. I would be interested in reading an essay on this general topic, if you write one!
:Just go ahead and pick a title, then create the page and write it! As long as it holds to Conservapdia's "[[Conservapedia:Commandments|commandments]]," you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want with it. (Rule #5 does not apply on essay either, though I personally prefer to let the reader make some informed decisions of their own.)
:There might also be some article on the issue of sex scandals, though the only page I could find on the subject was "[[Atheism and sexual immorality]]". This article and a related blurb might be something which could benefit such a page. It would not be opinion, but verifiable fact. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:56, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular Here is the new essay, I would like input from other Conservapedians, so anything you could do to increase the visibility of this page would be appreciated. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 10:28, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::Essays are typically edited only by the author, unless a special exception in made. Therefore, out of respect for your work, people will probably do no more that comment on the talk page. Is this what you want, or would you prefer this to be an open page, like [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs]]? IF it is open to anyone, you may want to specify this at the top of it, or at least on the talk page.
:::As for getting input from others, I've had limited success doing this in the past, unfortunately. However, one thing you could try is posting about it on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]] to see if anyone has input. I see that 1990'sguy has [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular&curid=148244&diff=1394532&oldid=1394529 already chipped in], too which is good! It seems he has understood your intent for this to be an open essay, as I suspect you want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Potential edit war ==

On this page: http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies MacTavish moved Home Alone 2 to the "Debatable Whether Great Section" and personally accused the movie makers of having "Hollywood Greed." I think that statement is too vindictive and accusatory, so I changed it, but he's probably going to change it back. I don't think his statement is appropriate for CP.

:I recommend either going to the essay's talk page or MacTavish's talk page and talking it out. It's the best way to solve conflicts like this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::Agreed, that's the place to discuss it, since interested people are more likely to see it. I'm happy to weigh in though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:08, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::He just removed my message from his talk page [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 01:28, 29 December 2017 (EST)

::::So I see--that does seem a little odd.
::::I don't see why it should be "debatable," but here we are debating it, so perhaps it does belong in that section. I was hoping we might be a response from him, but I guess he doesn't feel like talking. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:01, 29 December 2017 (EST)

== Greeting for new editors ==

You did a fantastic job as far as creating the updated greeting for new editors. It looks great.

Thanks for using a few of my tips regarding the color scheme. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:05, 29 December 2017 (EST)

:You're welcome, and thanks for the suggestions! It's still not perfect, but it seems pretty good to me. I'd also like to automate the entire thing, so it auto-fills username, signature, etc. but so far haven't been able to do it quite right. At least it works manually though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (EST)

== comment about my account ==

Although I have done most of my work on one particular page, that is because I only recently updated my account.

If you will check my user history, I recently updated the article for Atlanta Hawks (providing a brief history of the team's origins and many relocations) and also for the Atlanta article (updating a very old article to reflect a change in sports team status since the Atlanta Thrashers have relocated to Winnipeg, and to also mention a prior NHL franchise in Atlanta which also moved).

My plan is to ultimately moved articles that I have written on your competitor's website (one of which was flagged for "notability" solely because it involved a derivative work of a Christian novel whereas other similar articles were not, clearly showing their liberal bias) to this one (your guidelines say that I can do so if the work is mine). The article I wrote here is one, about a novel by one of the more prolific Christian fiction writers, that would be likely deleted there because of their anti-Christian bias.

[[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:13, 8 January 2018 (EST)

:I have responded to you on this page: [[Talk:The Chance (Karen Kingsbury book)]]. In short, I made a mistake (two actually) and you are more than welcome to publish this material here. For some reason I don't quite understand, we don't really used "AFD" pages anymore even though our templates link to them, so I also linked to that AFD page from the talk page. I apologize for this mix-up--let me know if there anything helpful I can do for a change. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (EST)

== Image copyright (2) ==

Hello David, would you please check and see whether it is OK to upload these two photos? The licensing for these two is a bit confusing: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitlermusso2_edit.jpg][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Benito_Mussolini_Roman_Salute.jpg] If it happens that it's OK to upload them, would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 15 January 2018 (EST)

:Familiar with seeing one or maybe tow license templates, I was chuckling by the end of the first image's page, having seen 5 of them, along with two others. What a mess! As best I can tell, they really don't know. I think one of their many templates summed it up best "This image may not have the proper copyright or licensing information, or there is a conflict of license." I can't say what they are licensed as, so I wouldn't try anything but "Fair use." You might be able to get away with "Fair Use," but since I can't even figure out where these came from, I wouldn't try. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:37, 16 January 2018 (EST)

::Honestly, I really want to upload these photos, so if there's any way to upload them, I will take that way. However, I'm short on time, so I won't deal with that for now. Maybe I'll ask Andy later.

::BTW, would you please upload these two images: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WWII,_Europe,_Germany,_%22Nazi_Hierarchy,_Hitler,_Goering,_Goebbels,_Hess%22,_The_Desperate_Years_p143_-_NARA_-_196509.jpg][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H12148,_N%C3%BCrnberg,_Reichsparteitag.jpg] The first one wouldn't upload because it said that I did not add an image though I did. Maybe it will work with you? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:46, 16 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to those images, please move [[:Category:Homosexual activists]] in order to capitalize the "a". Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 17 January 2018 (EST)

::::I just tried all the basic upload tricks, and nothing worked. I'm not just talking about these images either--I simply can't upload anything. It looks like a bug to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:36, 17 January 2018 (EST)

:::Sorry to keep piling on requests -- I know you're probably as busy as me -- but posting them here at least help me to remember them so I can focus on content in the little time I have. I am very tempted to delete this newly-created article, as this person does not appear to be notable (only a singer from Puerto Rico, does not even have his own Wikipedia page). I would appreciate your input. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:13, 18 January 2018 (EST)

::::No apology needed! I've moved the category, as requested.
::::"Darell" is clearly a page needing attention. You can see the style issues, and the name should obviously be changes also. Those issues aside, I don't know anything about him, and can find only a little information about him elsewhere online. It doesn't seem to be a made-up topic, but almost everything about him is written in Spanish, so I can't verify accuracy. Since we don't have a specific "notability" policy, and this page does seem to be composed of original content, I probably would just improve it and leave it be. However, it could be that this is a promotion attempt, in which case it warrants deletion. I just don't know for sure, so I am hesitant to wipe it out. Please see the note on this topic in my e-mail, also. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 18 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Also, thanks for cleaning up that redirect I forgot about! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[Lazarus (Parable)]] to [[Lazarus and the Rich Man]], as it is a better title. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2018 (EST)

:Moved as requested. I'm indecisive as to whether leaving the redirect would be beneficial or not, so since in doubt, I left it. You can delete that if you want, it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:07, 21 January 2018 (EST)
::I think keeping the redirect is fine. BTW, would you please take care of [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TerryH&diff=1400544&oldid=1391663 this], unless someone else does it first? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:50, 25 January 2018 (EST)
:::Also, what do you think of Grace's edits in the [[Homophobia]] article? Do you think it's good, or is the intro section too short now? I would appreciate a second opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (EST)

::::I am not especially comfortable doing the merge since I know nothing about the gentleman, but if no one else does, I suppose I can try to merge them. I think the homophobia intro was much better, but needed to actually specify the intended meaning of the term. I've added a sentence explaining this, and I think it's probably fine now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:19, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Should we move the article [[Christmas and Easter Catholic]] to "Christmas and Easter Christian", or should we create a new article with that title? I would imagine that the two terms are independently notable, but I could be wrong (and the editor who brought it up was not pleased at my response). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:35, 31 January 2018 (EST)

:I don't know Catholicism very well, but these do seem similar to me. I just don't know if under their works-based salvation, there is some special obligation or rule that does not apply to Protestantism. Either way, whether a "mass" or a "service," this does seem to be a similar issue though. As for the name(s), I'm inclined to think that if there is a significant difference, this naming scheme is fine. However, it is a little odd to have one page an not the other. If we are only going to gave one, perhaps a more generic name would be appropriate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
::OK. If you think it's best that we move the article, please do so since I can't do it myself. Otherwise, we can create a new article. Either way -- it was Quidam65 who brought it up. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:09, 31 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to the email I sent you a few days ago, would you please look over the article [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]] (title, layout)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:49, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I'm no expert--if you think separating the pages them is better, that's fine with me. You probably have a better idea than I do. Anyway, I've posted on the talk page to see if anyone else has anything to say, first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I will review that page, and look back at my e-mails. I must have missed it, because I wasn't aware of anything outstanding. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Regarding [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]], the title is cumbersome, but I have no better suggestions. I did revise the section titles, and reworded a couple things. Additionally, the intro is a little shorter than I would like, while the following section is the opposite. Other than that, the only issue I noticed was that there are spaces before the references. I didn't bother fix them, though--my bot will fix those on its next sweep. Also, I found your e-mail and will be in touch. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:06, 1 February 2018 (EST)

== More requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move these categories to fix their cases: [[:Category:Victims of homo-fascism]], [[:Category:Economic history]]. Also, I reminded Andy to unlock the images you requested. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:19, 3 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check [[:File:Miklós Horthy.jpg]]? On [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg the original file], it states that "you must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." Would you please make sure the file I uploaded meets that requirement? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:22, 4 February 2018 (EST)

::Andy unlocked the files required for me to do the first requests, so I will be completing those soon. As for this image, I think what you have done will keep us all out of trouble. However, a couple minor things: 
::Images in the public domain can be used any way we want, without attribution--they are public property. However, as a courtesy to our sources, and to demonstrate to others that we have the legal rights to use them, it is CP (and WP) policy to explain briefly. What you have entered is a good explanation, but I would say that the author is the U.S. Federal Government, not Cserlajos. If you want to give that person credit, you could note that Cserlajos digitized the photo, though. Lastly, we have [[Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style/Images|a list]] of templates for images which state the applicable licenses. You are not obligated to use these (very few editors here do) but they are available if you want to make things a little fancier. In this case, I would probably add the following to the top of the image page. This is entirely your choice, though. 
::<code><nowiki>{{USGovt tag</nowiki></code> 
::<code><nowiki>|source=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg}}</nowiki></code>
::I hope this helps--let me know if anything is unclear! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:14, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::I did what you recommended. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:19, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::Looks good to me! I actually am waiting on one more unlock before I can do that last move (there is cascading protection locking it) so I will finish that later. Also, thanks for reminding Andy about the older unlock requests of mine! I'd lost track of them as well, so it might have been awhile before I remembered them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:27, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::::Done! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:20, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Would you please take a look at the article [[Homosexual Fascists]]? As I pointed out on the article talk page, the article throws the term "fascist" around too freely, and it labels (to the point of slander) people like Jorg Haider "fascists" (though Haider supported a more limited federal Austrian government). Is there anything to do about this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check the page [[Arius Raposas]]? Is it genuine or appropriate to keep? The account that created it is called "Athanasius", so it's odd that they created an article about an "Arius", but about someone totally unrelated to the fourth-century heretic. Checking that page is also relevant to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Historian&curid=126238&diff=1403171&oldid=1278122 this edit].
:Also, what do you think about User:Cantante's pages? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:02, 7 February 2018 (EST)

::I'm not a historian, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of [[Homosexual Fascists]]. I do hope that communism and fascism were not confused with each other, since they ultimately manifest themselves in similar ways. I am also a little concerned about the use of a Huffington Post article as a positive reference. I wish I could help more, but I really don't know much in this area. It certainly is a favorite thing as of late for liberals to throw around the term in psychological projection.
::[[Arius Raposas]] looks like an advertising attempt. CP already shows as #1 result on several search engines for him, because the other results are apparently less reputable. You can see some more info about him on his LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arius-raposas where you can also see that he only had 59 connections. I say deleted it.
::Regarding [[User:Cantante]], I can't tell if these are good faith edits or not. It might be that s/he is writing about their favorite amateur rappers, or it could be that this is a promotion attempt. Either way, I doubt these pages are going to be of much value to CP. I just don't want to wipe them out if this is a good faith editor. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:36, 7 February 2018 (EST)

:::For the Arius Raposas article, I would say definite delete (though I won't do it until you're confident it should be deleted). At the very least, User:Cantante's articles should be trimmed and improved, though I wouldn't mind deleting them (if he complains, we can restore them). Again, I don't want to do this without you agreeing.
:::For the homosexual fascist article, '''at least''' the title should be changed. I wrote CP's article on Haider a while back, and he's not a fascist (and whether he was even a homosexual is in dispute -- he had a wife). It is true, though, that the Left hated him while he was alive. The article could be used to show left-wing hypocrisy on this matter, by showing that homosexuality was widespread even among people they didn't like (or something like that), but in its current form, it reads like a socially-conservative John McCain (though that sounds like an oxymoron) wrote the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 7 February 2018 (EST)
:::Sorry to keep posting stuff here, but in addition to the email I sent you, I would appreciate it if you would check the article [[Covenant Christian Coalition]] to see if it is plagiarized from Wikipedia or another website (it was created by yet another newly-registered editor). I recommend deleting the Arius article and asking Cantante about the other two articles, with the intention to delete or trim/improve them if he doesn't respond. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:28, 8 February 2018 (EST)

::::You don't need to apologize, though I might need too--I'm not having enough time right now to deal with each issue promptly.
::::1. Arius Raposas: I'm not convinced it should be kept, but I'm waiting to hear back from him now. My own ignorance of these foreign websites might be the problem, but when I do a web search and find only CP and a bunch of social media accounts, I am not filled with confidence. It sounds more like someone trying to build an online presence than someone notable enough to have others research them.
::::2. Homosexual fascist: I will differ to your judgment on this then. It sounds like you know some more about at least Haider, while I really know nothing at all on the subject. I trust you know what you are talking about! :)
::::3. [[Covenant Christian Coalition]]: This looks like an expanded version of [https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Covenant_Christian_Coalition.html] this page. I've asked on the talk page about original authorship.
::::4. I will reply to your email soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Is it time to move [[Greatest conservative corporations]] and make it an essay? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:11, 14 February 2018 (EST)
:Probably. It seems no one else is particularly invested in that page anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::Would you then please move it now? I agree that we should keep the redirect. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. For some reason, I was thinking you were going to do it. I've moved it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:21, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::::I would if I could, but I don't have move rights, as you probably remember. Thanks anyway! I will reply to your latest email soon, when I get time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:44, 14 February 2018 (EST)

== Categories ==

Hello DavidB4, it seems that [[:Category:Unions]] and [[:Category:Labor Unions]] are duplicate categories. Is then OK if you merge them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2018 (EST)
:I also just found that we have duplicate articles [[Right to work]] and [[Right-to-work laws]].
:Also, [[Edwin R. Thiele]] and [[Edwin Thiele]] have not been merged yet. I would appreciate it if you would at least help do this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::The first two are done--good suggestions, thanks! The last one I suppose will attempt, but I know nothing about the man, so I'm afraid I will not do the article justice. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks. Maybe another editor is able and willing to do it. Would you please move the article [[Hilary Belloc]] per AlanE's edit summary comment in the article history? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:02, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::::Thanks for moving it. Would you please move the article [[The Forgotten Depression of 1920]] to [[Forgotten Depression of 1920]]? Also, [[Anti-Saloon league]] and [[Anti-Saloon League]] are (almost) duplicate articles which should be combined. The former link should redirect to the latter. Would you please do this? Also, while most of what I wrote in my latest email to you were just statements, I did ask you one question. I would appreciate it if you would reply even though it's not too important. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:02, 18 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Thanks for pointing out the Hilary Belloc issue--I was oblivious to the problem. I've also moved the 1920 page leaving the redirect, and replied to your email. I will work on merging this and perhaps the other article as time permits. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you, I will! [[User:Willow Smith|Willow Smith]] ([[User talk:Willow Smith|talk]]) 11:42, 21 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Conspiricy No. 5" ==

The actual name of the Third Day album is "Conspiracy No. 5". The original author simply misspelled it. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:13, 23 February 2018 (EST)

:Good catch! I've fixed it, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (EST)

== Request to merge pages ==

There are two pages with virtually identical headings and all with the same text (likely someone didn't know how to do a redirect page).

The pages are "Committee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist" and "Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Nyquist".

Request that one be made the main page and the other a redirect, to make Conservapedia better for all. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 14:25, 24 February 2018 (EST)

PS--Thanks for the fix on Conspiracy No. 5.

:Another good observation. I've redirected the latter to the former. Thanks for pointing this out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:02, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Castings Crowns(album)" ==

Again, another inadvertent misspelling (and grammatical error) by a well-meaning Conservapedian. The correct title is "Casting Crowns (album)". [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 21:20, 27 February 2018 (EST)

:Thank you! I've fixed it, though there is no redirect so the old name will not work anymore. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:14, 27 February 2018 (EST)

== Response to inquiry on redirect pages ==

In response to your inquiry, most of those "articles" are barely one sentence. That may be suitable for a dictionary but not for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, most of those "articles" did little more than discuss a subcomponent of the larger topic, such as your concerns about the various "bankruptcy" titled ones.

What I did, which I believe makes Conservapedia a much better site, is to consolidate all those smaller articles into one, more comprehensive one, which contains all pertinent information related to a topic. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:12, 2 March 2018 (EST)

:That makes sense I suppose, and we do discourage "stub" articles. However, it is also generally frowned upon to replace articles with redirects. This should be done with caution, if at all, and all material must be saved. I will look more into it, but please do be careful about this. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:57, 5 March 2018 (EST)

== Yet another merger candidate ==

There are two similarly named articles. One is titled "Internet Crime" (note the capitalization) and contains a significant amount of information. The other is titled "Internet crime" and has virtually nothing in it (the history only shows two changes, one to create it in 2009 and the other to lock it almost immediately thereafter). My suggestion is to unlock the empty article (which you admins can do) and turn it into a redirect page. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

:What I'm seeing is a redirect under the name [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crime&redirect=no Internet crime] which points to [[Internet Crime]]. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crimes&redirect=no Internet crimes] is an identical redirect, also. Am I missing something? I don't see a protect page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

::Here's another category that could be merged: [[:Category:Supreme Court]] and [[:Category:United States Supreme Court]]. We could make the first category a parent category of the second one, since we have the general article [[Supreme Court]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:38, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Yes, that's another good one suggestion. Probably we should make [[:Category:Supreme Court]] the parent, then sort out the entries inside of it to be accurate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:23, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

== The Internet crime mystery--solved (?) ==

OK I figured out what is happening. It is a category titled "Internet crime" which is locked and has no pages showing it as a category. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 10:16, 10 March 2018 (EST)

== Thanks for the server update ==

It is greatly appreciated. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 18:04, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

==Hacker keeps removing [[Andy Clay Harris]]==
I have returned it three times to the board. The hacker uses the name MatthewLClark.
Please block him. This is the text he keeps removing:
''<nowiki>
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| birth_date=September 1, 1961
| birth_place=Resident of 
[[Bossier City]], [[Louisiana]]
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| party=[[Republican Party|Republican]]
| religion=Assembly of God [[clergy]]man
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'''Andy Clay Harris''' (born September 1, 1961)<ref name=mylife.com>{{cite web|url=https://www.mylife.com/andrew-harris/harris3768r|title=Andy Harris (Clay)|publisher=Mylife.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> is an Assemblies of God pastor from [[Bossier City]] in northwestern [[Louisiana]], whose former congregation, The Church of the Cross, erected in 2009 a 199-foot [[Christian]] cross on the grounds of its sanctuary in Haughton. The silver cross is seen from various points about U.S. Highway 80.

The son of a Bossier City builder-father and teacher-mother, Harris graduated from Bossier High School in 1979. He studied at the Southwestern Assemblies of God University<ref name=intelius>{{cite web|url=https://www.intelius.com/people-search/Andy-C-Harris/Bossier%20city-LA|title=Andy Harris: Bossier City, LA|publisher=Intelius.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> in Waxahachie, [[Texas]], the alma mater of the famous pastor [[John C. Hagee]] of [[San Antonio]], Texas. For a time, he was on the staff of ''The Gurdon Times'' in Arkadelphia, [[Arkansas]]. He also lived for a time, dates unavailable but prior to 1996, in [[Carson City]], [[Nevada]]; Miami, [[Oklahoma]], and Sarepta in Webster Parish, Louisiana.<ref name=intelius/> Harris completed an internship at his home congregation, the Broadmoor Assembly of God in [[Shreveport]] and was ordained into the ministry in 1985.<ref name=arrest>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/crime/2018/03/09/benton-man-arrested-possession-meth/410682002/|title=Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|author=Nick Wooten|date=March 9, 2018|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref>

On March 7, 2018, Harris was arrested at his home for possession of [[methamphetamine]]s and drug paraphernalia and booked in the Bossier Maximum Security Facility, at which he posted a $5,000 bail. He accepted the pastorate of The Church of the Cross in 1996 and resigned after more than twenty-one years amid the arrest.<ref name=arrest/> He reportedly earned between $100,000 and $150,000.<ref name=mylife.com/> Police said that Harris was questioned on another unrelated, undisclosed matter when Harris revealed the drugs he had. Police found 3.5 grams of meth, a smoking device, and a snorting straw.<ref name=arrest/>

A [[Republican Party|Republican]],<ref name=mylife.com/> Harris was pictured in ''The Shreveport Times'' with current state Senator [[Ryan Gatti]] of Bossier City and Louisiana Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser.<ref name=arrest/>

On the Sunday after his resignation as pastor, a letter from Harris was read to the congregation. He described his time at The Church of the Cross as one of "faith and victory" and long-term friendships with members who were "[[Salvation|saved]], healed, and filled by the [[Holy Spirit]]. We have loved and felt love by you all."<ref name=pastor>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2018/03/12/arrested-pastor-former-congregation-forgive-me/416277002/
|title=Arrested pastor to former congregation: forgive me|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|date=March 12, 2018|author=Nick Wooten|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> Harris described his recent years in the ministry as like being in "a pressure cooker" with betrayals, sickness, and family issues. Harris continued, "A few months ago in a time of weakness I attempted to ease the pain in the way. I have [[sin]]ned, and I have [[God|the Lord]] to forgive me. I have asked my family to forgive me. And I am asking you all -- all of you-- to forgive me. ... Pray all the good the Lord has done through us will outshine the bad [[Satan|the devil]] has done to us."<ref name=pastor/>

Doyle Dempsey, the secretary-treasurer of The Church of the Cross, described his broken heartedness, "Although we do not condone his behavior in this matter, we are all eternally grateful to Pastor Harris for his years of dedicated service to this church body. ... We are all just mortal men. One decision away from sudden destruction."<ref name=pastor/>

In the wake of Harris' departure, the pastoral staff will rotate the ministerial duties pending the call of a new pastor.<ref name=pastor/>
</nowiki>''

David, someone else appears to have corrected the problem and identified the hacker. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:30, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

:I'm glad it was taken care if quickly! That actually wasn't even hacking. They just created a user account and deleted the page contents. Do feel free to let me know if this happens again, but don't worry--it's easy to fix. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:22, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

== Great work on block and reverts ==
Thanks for the quick work on blocking and reverting the vandal!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:56, 17 March 2018 (EDT)
:Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:25, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

== Need to update article title ==

The article title for Wally Amos Criswell needs to be changed.

First, the proper spelling of his first name was Wallie. Second, he was always better known by his initials, W.A. Therefore, I suggest that the title be changed to W.A. Criswell. [[User:Bcarlin|Bcarlin]] ([[User talk:Bcarlin|talk]]) 23:05, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

:Thank you, Quidam65, but Conservapedia forbids the use of "sock puppet" accounts. Please sort out your issues with the administration, rather than just trying to around them. I have fixed this issue you mentioned. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:32, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

::Would you please move the article [[Sebastian Pinera]] to [[Sebastián Piñera]], since this title has the proper punctuation? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:19, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Done. I'm leaving the redirect, since most people don't have "á" and "ñ" on their keyboards. Good idea! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

== Thanks for your help ==

Thank you for your help, DavidB4! Also, I apologize: I accidentally added two posts that were nearly identical to the Aschlafly "talk" page. Sorry for the mistake! {{unsigned|Questions}}
:You're welcome! [[User:1990'sguy]] already fixed the issue, so you should be all set. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:04, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

== Few Things ==

Hey, I have a few questions... First, how does one become a sysop or "get promoted"?... I am also on the site that shall not be named, and becoming a sysop there was relatively easy.
Also, I want to add images to my articles, @1990's guy gave me a link to make a request, but it didn't work and also, I am wondering if there is an easier way? I think that Conservapedia suffers greatly from the lack of illustrations. Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 00:53, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! Regarding your first question, there is no published criteria for promotion. Rather, editors who have shown themselves reliable and well-meaning are occasionally promoted, as they are decided to have earned the privilege. As overall membership grows and changes, these "Assistant Sysops" may be promoted to full administrators. However, this is rare, and has not happened to anyone in the 2.5 years I have been here. It is quite rare.
:As for image uploads, the standard was for you to do this is to post your requests on [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests|this page]] (provide the link to the wanted images). If you stay with us for a while and prove yourself, you may eventually receive the privilege to do it yourself. However, users do not start out with this ability, since some users may upload images which are either protected by license, or inappropriate. Considering the amount of vandalism we see at times, this seems to be the reasonable option to me, although I know it can be annoying. I spent a while requesting uploads before I was granted the ability to upload directly.
:In short, these "lower" promotions do often come to editors who prove themselves, but it takes time and effort. Higher promotions (such as to the administrator level) are quite rare, even when there are candidates who could quality. At least most of us, if not all, are here to improve the CP, rather than to play the internal political system to earn promotion and status. Understand that to be promoted to full Administrator is rare, and very unlikely for someone who has recently joined. At any level, promotions can be considered a privilege, but not a right.
:If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 04:19, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

::Hey, for one, how do I determine if an image is free of copyright or not? Can I use Google Images? 2)How do I recommend it on that article? Do I simply copy paste a link to the image? Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 14:26, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:::You need to look for images which are in the [[public domain]] or under a [[Creative Commons]] license. Here are some places I like to look for good, usable images:
:::*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr.com]
:::*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons]
:::*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:::*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
:::*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]

:::If there are none available which fit these requirements, then we can only try to use them under "[[fair use]]." If you use Google or some other such search engine, you must go to the actual website and find their licensing agreements, to ensure that they do not expressly prohibit retransmission and republishing. "Fair use" is a last resort, and we try to avoid using this claim as much as possible, since it is difficult to legally define.
:::You copy and paste the link to the file you want onto the [[CP:IUR]] page, and sign at the end of the request. Typically, it is then reviewed and uploaded, and the uploader responds to the request with the file name on CP. The requesting user then goes and adds the image(s) to the page(s) they intended. You do not need to state what page the image is intended for in the upload request, though it doesn't hurt to do so, especially if we are going to be using it under "fair use." --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:13, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Hey David, I posted the new requests... Please, get to them as soon as you can, I tried my best to make them clear... If you need help understanding what I meant (unlikely), let me know. Thanks! --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:21, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:You request was perfectly clear. In case you haven't already noticed, I uploaded and added them. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:34, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== Micro evolution ==

Micro evolution is the change BELOW the species level, macro evolution is the one above... Both have been observed. Micro evolution WILL ALWAYS lead to macro evolution GIVEN SUFFICENT TIME...

Here... This guy puts it simply... Watch these 2 videos. They are VERY entertaining, you will NOT be bored. He puts it simply. This will explain it in SIMPLE terms... Watch video number one AND THEN number 2... You will definitely change your POV a little at least...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnygS7opCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ilMYc5xdQ

--[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:11, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

:The arguments are not new. Here is a short article explaining the difference: http://www.icr.org/article/what-difference-between-macroevolution-microevolut/
:Now we get to things like:
:*Why are there really no confirmed transitional species? Why do scientists keep inventing them rather than finding them?
:*Why are we not burred up to our elbows in fossils from transition species?
:*Why is it that any significant evolution in the modern day is harmful? Just look at the miracle of the four-winged fruit fly, which has no muscles attached, so they greatly impede flight. On top of this, all other fruit flies refuse to mate with them, due to the mutation.
:*Does similarity really show common ancestry, or rather common designer?
:*Why did Darwin himself declare that his entire theory should be considered null and void if the cell was ever found to be anything more than an inert building block? (of course, he knew nothing about DNA, either)
:*Why do human genes most closely match those of a worm, not an ape?
:*Why do apes have more chromosomes that humans, rather than less, as the supposed progression would suggest?
:*Why is it that since the Cambrian explosion, there have been found no new ''species'' in the fossil record?
:*Why is it that the Cambrian explosion even occurred? There is nothing gradual about that...it's just *poof* all life appears on a formerly dead planet. The only evidence of life below the Cambrian layer are a few sponge embryos, which probably got there through contamination.
:*Are humans actually devolving?
:**Humans used to live much longer than they do now. For example, Neanderthals lived so long that their jaw and foreheads (which never stop growing) grew so much as to change their appearance
:**Human teeth used to heal, but no longer do
:**Some say that human brain cavities are actually shrinking, though I have not researched this to verify the claim
:**While medical science has improved our understanding of biology, things such as allergies seem to be much ore common in recent years. Are our immune systems forgetting how to tell friend from foe?
:*How is it that a team of monkeys with a typewriter are more likely to write out the entire library of congress in chronological order by accident, than a DNA strand is to accidentally form?

:The argument is always time. They count on there being at least some shadow of a doubt about how it is just slightly possible that given a few hundred millennia, xyz might happen. Now they can't even pretend the earth is old enough to prop up this ridiculous theory, so now they are hoping to find or invent some kind of "proof" that life started on another planet, preferably so far from earth that we have no way to study it.

:And by the way, I'm not a fan of "youtubers" who use poor video editing, interruptions, and all manner of other childish methods. There is nothing intellectual or scientific about the likes of these.

:There are so many things wrong with the theory of macroevolution, that I don't even know where to start. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:29, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Hello David, these two categories should probably be merged: [[:Category:DC]], [[:Category:Washington, DC]].

Also, these categories either should be moved (so they're capitalized) or deleted: [[:Category:Movies about Fathers and Sons]], [[:Category:Movies about fathers and daughters]], [[:Category:Movies about high school]], [[:Category:Movies about joining a clique]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:58, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

:I agree, and merged the two categories. The "DC" one is currently a redirect, though we could just delete that. Some of these other categories seem a little odd, such as "Movies about joining a clique" which only has two pages. However, there's no harm in keeping it I suppose. I'll move those soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:53, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
::Thanks! Would you please also take care of BHathorn's request [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Contact_Us&curid=45451&diff=1418798&oldid=1409729 here] to move the article [[Leroy Shafer]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:43, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Done, thanks for pointing it out! Thanks also for the deletions. I was planning to delete DC2 after a few days, but leave it a little while so as not to confuse Andy if he revisits it to restore protection. No matter, it needed to be deleted eventually anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:21, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

I've been busy letting you know about categories with improper capitalization, but I created (and didn't notice) the [[:Category:Donald Trump achievements]] category, which also needs the "A" capitalized. Would you please fix that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 11 May 2018 (EDT)
:Also, would you please move [[Iranian nuke deal]] to "Iran nuclear deal" (for which a redirect already exists)? The latter is a more common term and the former's wording is a bit awkward, I think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:07, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

::Done! It is sometimes surprising how easy it is to make a mistake that you are generally fixing after others make it... --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Thanks, and that's true. One thing: your bot made several unhelpful changes when it fixed the category, mainly by removing necessary "<nowiki> </nowiki>" tags and changing the "main article" template at the top to a format that doesn't suit the article. I reverted all those changes while keeping the constructive ones. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:40, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

::::I was just looking at your reversions. Sorry about that! I had a minor problem with the bot, and needed to revert to an earlier version of it. Unfortunately, I forgot to update the edit rules (and some code), so it did everything the original regex engine creator intended. I'll try to avoid that in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:43, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::::That's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:45, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move these two categories to fix their capitalization: [[:Category:English activists]], [[:Category:Counter-jihad activists]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:10, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:Would you also please move [[:Category:Self-defense]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:31, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

::Will do, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:07, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Finally done. Sorry for the wait! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks, and that's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:02, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the [[United Nations human rights council]] page over the rightly-capitalized [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council&redirect=no redirect]? Also, the page [[Human Rights Commission]] should be moved to [[United Nations Human Rights Commission]] (and also, the latter organization ceased to exist upon the council's creation, though the CP article doesn't show that). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:04, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

:I think those should be all set. The [[United Nations human rights council]] redirect could be deleted, but there are currently pages linking to that name, so corrections will be needed. I can do that later (if I'm not to scatter-brained to remember) or you can. Let me know if there's anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
::I think I fixed the rest of these issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:11, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

== Move request for California nebula ==

Could you move [[California nebula]] to [[Barnard's loop]]? I messed up and wrote it on the wrong page. [[User:FredericBernard|FredericBernard]] ([[User talk:FredericBernard|talk]]) 13:13, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

:Of course! I've moved the page, and removed the redirect since this was a mistake. (If you want a redirect, feel free to add one, though.) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:40, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

::Please move this page to an essay and delete the redirect (along with any other formatting/categories/etc.): [[The evil of the school system]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:53, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Done: [[Essay:The evil of the school system]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:21, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks! Would you also please check the essay for plagiarism (just to be safe)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:55, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::::I was going to say that it's a good idea regardless (one I should have thought of), but I actually found something. It appears that the essay is an expansion on this article: https://politicalfestdotblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/17/school-kids-are-usually-unhealthy/
:::::However, that is very much an unfinished site, so it may well have been created by the same person who posted this essay here. This text does not seem to exist on any other indexed pages on the Internet right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:43, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
::::::Oh, and the screen names posting the text on CP and the wordpress site are the same. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:03, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the article [[By-election]] to [[Special election]], which is the American term for the same concept? Also, would you please move [[:Category:List of Law Enforcement Agencies]] to [[:Category:Law Enforcement Agencies]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:51, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:In addition to the above, I would appreciate it if you would move the articles [[New Orleans Hornets]] and [[Charlotte Bobcats]] per the recent edits on it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:59, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

::I've done all but the category. I will do that one later, when I get the chance to set up the bot. I recommend leaving all of the redirect in place (except for the upcoming category one), but it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I agree -- leaving all the redirects is the best (and only reasonable) decision. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
::::Please also move the page [[Massresistence]] to [[MassResistance]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::Done, redirect left in place. Sorry for the wait, I have not been feeling well. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:36, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
::::::You're welcome, and I hope you're feeling better. However, the link above I suggested is still red. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:39, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, not so much I'm afraid. Perhaps I can blame that for this blunder?? ;)
:::::::It should be right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:53, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Would it be OK if you move [[Leftwing violence in the Trump era]] to [[Left-wing violence in the Trump era]], and fix the double redirects that will result from this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:35, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:It's probably fine. Maybe I should have posed a proposal first, but I just did it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:39, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

::Would you also please move [[:Category:Complex analysis]] to capitalize the "a" and delete the resulting redirect? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

:::Of course! Will do, but it might take a little while. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:06, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

::::In addition to the above, would you please move the [[Open ended questions]] article to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Open-ended_question&redirect=no Open-ended question] (now a redirect)? Pinley tried doing it manually, though we should move pages the correct way. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:08, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:::::Done. I'm working on transferring my bot to a new system, which is why I'm taking so long on the category moves. I will do it eventually, but I prefer to use the bot to do the hard work. Apologies for the wait on those! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:12, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Hi! A few things... I was wondering if you could move [[Primary sex characteristics]] to [[Primary sex characteristic]], since [[Secondary sex characteristic]] is singular. Additionally, [[Chartist movement]] should be merged with [[Chartism]]. Thanks! --[[User:Pinely|Pinely]] ([[User talk:Pinely|TALK]]) 23:45, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! I have moved that page as requested. I can do the merge later, but not right now. Thanks for the suggestions! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

::I see that your bot fixed the categories for [[:Category:List of Law Enforcement Agencies]] to to the name that I proposed, but you haven't actually moved the category yet. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:14, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

:::Thanks. I think I would have figured it out in short order, but I did get distracted. It's done now. Are there any other outstanding requests you know which I should take care of? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:25, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

::::I don't think so. I'll reply to your email shortly. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:36, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

==Re: Photo for Gandalf==
Hello, DavidB4: thanks for your informative messages on my talk page. I don't think that we'll be able to find a free alternative to New Line Cinema's copyrighted material, so could you upload an image under a rationale such as this?: '''This image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the film and does not limit New Line Cinema's ability to sell or show the film.''' In answer to your question, by the way, yes, I think I'd prefer a photo that's not quite so tight. ;)
—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 20:11, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

:You are very welcome!
:We may be able to use one under the fair use clause. Have you found a good image which is under copyright? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:19, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
::How about the first one in this gallery from Imgur?: [https://imgur.com/gallery/HIf1F]. —[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 11:58, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

:::Uploaded: [[:File:Gandalf.jpg]]
:::We like to limit the number of copyrighted images we use, but since there really was no alternative, this one is probably alright to use. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:44, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
::::Thank you so much! :)
::::—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 18:14, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

== Photos that can be uploaded to the Conservapedia ==

Hi, I found some photos in the Wikimedia Commons. These are useful photos that related to Islam and Islamists, we can use them in articles. We don't have to use all of these photos in various articles, but uploading all of the photos on the site will be good for archiving. Nevertheless, a few of them will definitely be used:
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2012_Sydney_protest.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islamic_Protest_in_Hyde_Park,_Sydney_01.JPG]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%22Freedom_go_to_hell%22.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_public_demonstration_demanding_Sharia_in_Britain.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_public_demonstration_calling_for_Sharia_Islamic_Law_in_Maldives_2014.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Street_protest_calling_for_Sharia_in_Maldives,_Democracy_failed_system_poster.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_public_demonstration_in_Maldive,_calling_for_Sharia_2014.jpg] - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 03:26, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

:We generally don't upload image sunless we are sure we plan to use them. However, for these, I agree that it might be a good idea to make an exception. I'm starting through them.
:#[[:File:2012 Sydney protest.jpg]]
:#[[:File:Islamic Protest in Hyde Park, Sydney.JPG]]
:#[[:File:Freedom go to h.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:57, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
:#[[:File:A public demonstration demanding Sharia in Britain.jpg]]
:#[[:File:Protest calling for Sharia in Maldives 2014.jpg]]
:#[[:File:Street protest calling for Sharia in Maldives, Democracy failed system poster.jpg]]
:#[[:File:A public demonstration in Maldive, calling for Sharia 2014.jpg]]
:These were some good suggestions, and I expect they will be useful! Let me know if you need anything else! Also, if you find more images you want uploaded, you can ask me directly, or go to the designated page for image uploads, [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] ([[CP:IUR]]) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:05, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

Hello again! I was just wondering whether you'd be willing to upload three theatrical poster images of the LotR trilogy; I noticed that there weren't any on any of their Conservapedia articles. I got these from Wikipedia:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lord_of_the_Rings_-_The_Two_Towers.jpg]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Lord_of_the_Rings_The_Fellowship_of_the_Ring_(2001)_theatrical_poster.jpg]
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lord_of_the_Rings_-_The_Return_of_the_King.jpg] 

I'm planning to work on the FotR, TTT and RotK articles sometime soon! Thank you for reading this message! :)
—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 11:24, 14 August 2018 (EDT)

Ireland

2018-08-13T23:00:12Z

Fëalórin:

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'''Ireland''' is a country in northwestern Europe comprising five sixths the island of [[Ireland (island)|Ireland]]. Ireland became independent in 1922 as a result of the Anglo-Irish Treaty. The 1937 constitution gives the name of the state as simply "Ireland."<ref>"[http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Historical_Information/The_Constitution/ Constitution of Ireland - Bunreacht na hÉireann]"</ref> It is sometimes described as the "Republic of Ireland."

Ireland supports the [[homosexual agenda]], having legalized [[same-sex "marriage"]] in 2015.<ref>http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/05/23/ireland-gay-marriage/</ref> Once [[pro-life]], Ireland embraced [[abortion]] in May 2018 by repealing its constitutional protection for the [[unborn]]<ref>Multiple references:
*Chretien, Claire (May 26, 2018). [https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-ireland-votes-to-legalize-abortion Ireland votes to legalize abortion: ‘a tragedy of historic proportions’]. ''LifeSiteNews''. Retrieved May 26, 2018.
*Berry, Susan (May 26, 2018). [http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/05/26/irish-voters-say-yes-abortion/ Irish Voters Say ‘Yes’ to Abortion]. ''Breitbart News''. Retrieved May 26, 2018.
*Clabough, Raven (May 26 2018). [https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/29145-ireland-a-once-pro-life-stronghold-has-repealed-its-eighth-amendment-protecting-unborn-children Ireland, a Once Pro-Life Stronghold, Has Repealed Its Eighth Amendment Protecting Unborn Children]. ''The New American''. Retrieved May 27, 2018.
*Turley, K.V. (May 26, 2018). [https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/across-the-land-of-st.-patrick-night-has-fallen Across the land of St. Patrick, night has fallen]. ''LifeSiteNews''. Retrieved May 26, 2018.</ref> in a referendum that disadvantaged pro-life advocates.<ref>Clabough, Raven (May 23, 2018). [https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/29113-pro-life-advocates-disadvantaged-in-irish-fight-to-legalize-abortion Pro-life Advocates Disadvantaged in Irish Fight to Legalize Abortion]. ''The New American''. Retrieved May 26, 2018.</ref>

==Geography==
The island of Ireland is located in the [[Atlantic Ocean]], to the west of Great Britain. Of the thirty-two counties on the island of Ireland, twenty-six are in Ireland, including all counties in the provinces of Connacht, Munster and Leinster. Of the nine counties of [[Ulster]], three ([[Cavan]], [[Monaghan]] and [[Donegal]]) are in Ireland and the remaining counties remain in the [[United Kingdom]]. The longest river in Ireland, The Shannon, divides the country into a largely urban eastern section, dominated by Dublin, and a more rural, less economically vibrant western area.

==People==
The Irish people are mainly of Celtic and Norman origin with history of some Anglo-Saxon settlers during failed English plantations (successful in Northern Ireland only). Today, the country has many minorities including substantial numbers of people from [[Poland]], [[China]] and [[Nigeria]]. Traditionally the language of Irish (Gaelic) was the primary one on the island but after centuries of British colonialism by the end of the 19th century it was endangered and was confined to very small, peripheral regions in the West of the country as it continues to today following an unsuccessful attempt to revive the language by Ireland's government. Britain tried to secure unity with Ireland by using multiple large-scale plantations of Scottish Protestant settlers. All of these where failures due to the native Irish violently opposing such settlers, the only success was the Ulster plantation which is the reason for the large Protestant population in Northern Ireland and the partitioning of the country. There is still sectarian conflict in this part of the island.

During the 1840s a disease known as the potato blight spread through the nations potato crop (most Irish were totally reliant on potatoes). The English did not help and the blight caused mass starvation and disease. In the end about 1 million had died and about 1 million had emigrated. The famine was a major blow to the nation, especially to the native language (Irish) and eventually the population would fall from over 8 million before the famine to under 3 million in the mid 20th century(before rising again). The nation continued to be a major source of immigrants to the United States and today over 30 million Americans report Irish ancestry making it the second largest ancestry in the United States only behind German.
Irish writers(many Anglo-Irish) such as Swift, Sheridan, Goldsmith, Burke, O'Casey, Wilde, Joyce, Yeats, Shaw, and Beckett have made major contributions to English literature over the past 300 years.
*Population: 4,470,700 (2010 est.).
*Cities: Capital—Dublin (pop. 506,211). Other cities—Cork (119,418), Limerick (92,539), Galway (72,414), Waterford, (45,748).
*Population breakdown 0–14 years (20.4%), 15–24 years (15%), 25–34 years (17%), 35–44 years (14%), 45–54 years (12%), 55–64 years (10%), 65 years and over (11%)
*Population growth rate: 2.61% (2008 est.).
*Ethnic groups: Irish 84.5%, other white 9.8%, Asian 1.9%, black 1.4%, mixed and other 0.9%, unspecified 1.6% (2011 est.).
*Religions: Roman Catholic 86.8%; No religion 4.4%; Church of Ireland 3%; Islam 0.8%; Presbyterian 0.6%; Orthodox 0.5%; Methodist 0.3%; other 2.1%
*Languages: English, Irish (Gaelic).
*Education: Compulsory up to age 16. Enrolment rates: first (primary) level 449,508, second (high school and vocational) level 335,162, third (university and college) level 133,691. Literacy—98%-99%.
*Health: Infant mortality rate—4.61/1,000. Life expectancy at birth—male 77.32 yrs., female 81.79 yrs.
*Work force: Services—66%; industry—28%; agriculture—6%.

==Government and Political Conditions==
Ireland is a sovereign, independent, democratic state with a parliamentary system of government. The president, who serves as head of state in a largely ceremonial role, is elected for a 7-year term and can be re-elected only once. The current president is Michael D. Higgins, who is serving his first term after succeeding President [[Mary McAleese]]. In carrying out certain constitutional powers and functions, the president is aided by the Council of State, an advisory body. On the Taoiseach's (prime minister's) advice, the president also dissolves the Oireachtas (Parliament).

The [[Taoiseach]] (pronounced "TEE-shuck")(prime minister) is elected by the Dáil (lower house of Parliament) as the leader of the incoming government. He is usually the leader of the principal political party, of which he had been elected by an internal vote within that party. He usually has to make a deal with other political parties and/or independently elected TDs (members of parliament). In order to be able to form a government he must essentially have the support of a majority of the 166 elected members of Dáil Éireann. Dáil Éireann is far and away the most important political parliament, and Seanad Éireann was historically created as a means to provide the former colonial Anglo-Irish rulers with a voice in national politics. Only one member of Seanad Éireann has served in an Irish government by virtue of that membership, James Dooge. Elections to the Dáil are held approximately every 5 years (unless called earlier due to a political crisis). Executive power is vested in a cabinet whose ministers are nominated by the Taoiseach and approved by the Dáil.

The bicameral Oireachtas (Parliament) consists of Seanad Éireann (Senate) and Dáil Éireann (House of Representatives). The Seanad is composed of 60 members—11 nominated by the [[Taoiseach]], 6 elected by the national universities, and 43 elected from panels of candidates established on a vocational basis. The Seanad has the power to delay legislative proposals and is allowed 90 days to consider and amend bills sent to it by the Dail, which wields greater power in Parliament. The Dáil has 166 members popularly elected to a maximum term of 5 years under a complex system of proportional representation. A member of the Dáil is known as a Teachta Dala, or TD.

Judges are appointed by the president on nomination by the government and can be removed from office only for misbehavior or incapacity and then only by resolution of both houses of Parliament. The ultimate court of appeal is the Supreme Court, consisting of the chief justice and five other justices. The Supreme Court also can decide upon the constitutionality of legislative acts if the president asks for an opinion.

Local government is by elected county councils and—in the cities of Dublin, Cork, Limerick, and Waterford—by county borough corporations. County councils/corporations in turn select city mayors. In practice, however, authority remains with the central government.

Irish politics was traditionally dominated by the two political parties that grew out of Ireland's bitter 1922-23 civil war: Fianna Fáil (''Wariers of Destiny'') and Fine Gael (''Tribe of the Gaelic People''). Fianna Fáil was formed by those who opposed the 1921 treaty with the UK that gave Ireland independence but required Ireland to retain links to the UK. Fine Gael was formed by those who supported tht treaty. Although treaty opponents lost the civil war, Fianna Fáil soon became Ireland's largest political party and retained that position until 2011 when it was decimated and Fine Gael emerged as the country's largest party. Labour, Sinn Féin, and the Greens are the other significant parties.

Until 2004 Ireland had granted citizenship on the basis of birth on Irish soil. Concerns about immigration and social welfare abuse prompted the government to seek to bring citizenship laws in line with the more restrictive policies prevalent in the rest of Europe, and the 2004 referendum measure passed by a wide majority. Now, persons with non-Irish parents can acquire Irish citizenship at birth only if at least one parent has been resident in Ireland for three years preceding the birth.

===Principal Government Officials===
*President—Michael D. Higgins
*Taoiseach (Prime Minister)--Enda Kenny
*Tanaiste (Deputy Prime Minister)--Eamon Gilmore

====Taoisigh (Prime Ministers) of the Republic of Ireland====
*'''Éamon de Valera''' (Fianna Fáil): 1937-1948, 1951-1954, 1957-1959.
*'''John A.Costello''' (Fine Gael): 1948-1951, 1954-1957.
*'''Seán Lemass''' (Fianna Fáil): 1959-1966.
*'''Jack Lynch''' (Fianna Fáil): 1966-1973, 1977-1979.
*'''Liam Cosgrave''' (Fine Gael): 1973-1977.
*'''Charles Haughey''' (Fianna Fáil): 1979-1981, March 1982 - December 82 and March 1987 - February 1992.
*'''Garret FitzGerald''' (Fine Gael): 30 June 1981- 9 March 1982 and 14 December 1982 - 10 March 1987.
*'''Albert Reynolds''' (Fianna Fáil): February 1992 – 1994.
*'''John Bruton''' (Fine Gael): 1994-1997.
*'''Bertie Ahern''' (Fianna Fáil): 1997-2008.
*'''Brian Cowen''' (Fianna Fáil): 2008 to 2011.<ref>[http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.asp?locID=349&docID=-1 Government of Ireland website]</ref>
*'''Enda Kenny''' (Fine Gael): 2011-

===Political Parties===
'''Fianna Fail''': (Pronounced Fee-Na Fall which is Irish for 'Wariers of Destiny'). Ireland's 3rd largest political party, they do not class themselves as either left or right wing but are generally considered centrist and traditionally the choice for republicans (in the Irish sense, meaning supporters of a United Ireland) due to its foundation by Eamon de Valera; considered by his supporters to be the greatest of all Irish nationalists. Fianna Fail is traditionally a Populist party, spearheading the disease and slum eradication programme's of the 1950s and 1960s. Nowadays however, it is considered to be on the pragmatic centre as well as supportive of the construction sector and its representatives.<ref>[http://www.fiannafail.ie/]</ref>

'''Fine Gael''': (Pronounced Finna Gale, Irish for 'Family of the Irish'). Ireland's largest party. Fine Gael is traditionally socially and fiscally conservative. Traditionally the party of Big Business and the farming community, although generally liberal on social issues (though probably not by American standards) Under the leadership of [[Garret FitzGerald]] in the 1980s, the party embraced [[social democracy]]. Today the party likes to characterize itself as a party of the "progressive centre". Led by [[Enda Kenny]].<ref>[http://www.finegael.com/index.cfm]</ref>

'''Labour Party''': Currently the second largest party. The Labour Party has traditionally been the left wing force of Irish politics, though in the recent election under the leadership of a former member of the communist leaning Sinn Féin Workers Party, [[Pat Rabbitte]], the party moved over to the centre in order to join in a possible coalition government with Fine Gael. Although they lost the election, the coalition helped to modernise the party more in line with European Social Democratic Groups. The party is currently led by [[Eamon Gilmore]], a center left politician.<ref>[http://www.labour.ie/]</ref>

'''Green Party''': A left-wing party and member of the current leading coalition who are in favour of environmental protection, renewable energy and a stronger system of social security. Led by John Gormley, the current minister for the Environment.

'''Sinn Féin''': (Pronounced Shin Fane, Irish for 'Ourselves') Remnant of Ireland's oldest political party, it is closely connected with the Provisional [[IRA]], a terrorist/guerrilla movement that sought a United Irish Republic that have since disbanded. They have recently embraced a more democratic approach. They are a party of left-wing socialist economics which espouses liberal social issues such as same-sex "marriage". They organise in all 32 counties of Ireland. Led by former IRA commander Gerry Adams.<ref>[http://www.sinnfein.ie/]</ref>

===Foreign Relations===
Ireland is a member of numerous international organizations, including the United Nations, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, and the European Union. Ireland has been an important contributor to numerous international peacekeeping missions, such as in Lebanon (UNIFIL), Liberia (UNIMIL), and the Balkans (KFOR and EUFOR). Ireland's overseas development assistance focuses on Sub-Saharan Africa and stands at 5 percent of GDP.

In July 2018 Ireland’s senate has voted in favour of banning imports from [[Israel]]i settlements in the [[West Bank]] and other "occupied" territories which were gained in the [[Six-Day War]].<ref>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/11/irish-senate-approves-ban-on-products-from-israeli-settlements</ref>

===Relations with the United States===
U.S. relations with Ireland have long been based on common ancestral ties and shared values. These relations have broadened and matured, given the significant U.S. role in Ireland's economic success and cooperation on global challenges. Besides regular dialogue on political and economic issues, the U.S. and Irish Governments have official exchanges in areas such as medical research and education.

With Ireland's membership in the European Union, the discussion of EU trade and economic policies, as well as other aspects of EU policy, is also a key element in the U.S.-Irish relationship. In recent years, Ireland has attempted to act as a diplomatic bridge between the United States and European Union. During its 2004 EU presidency, Ireland worked to strengthen U.S.-EU ties that had been strained by the Iraq war, and the current EU Ambassador to the United States is former Irish Prime Minister John Bruton.

Emigration, long a vital element in the U.S.-Irish relationship, declined significantly with Ireland's economic boom in the 1990s. For the first time in its modern history, Ireland is experiencing high levels of inward migration, a phenomenon with political, economic, and social consequences. However, Irish citizens do continue the common practice of taking temporary residence overseas for work or study, mainly in the U.S., U.K., and elsewhere in Europe, before returning to establish careers in Ireland. The U.S. J-1 visa program, for example, remains a popular means for Irish youths to work temporarily in the United States.

==Economy==
Ireland once boasted a vibrant, globalized economy, with GDP per capita second only to Luxembourg's in the EU. The "Celtic Tiger" period of the mid to late 1990s saw several years of double-digit GDP growth, driven by a progressive industrial policy that boosted large-scale foreign direct investment and exports. GDP growth dipped during the immediate post-9/11 global economic slowdown, but has averaged roughly 5 percent yearly since 2004, the best performance for this period among the original EU 15 Member States. Since 2004, the Irish economy has generated roughly 90,000 new jobs annually, attracting over 200,000 foreign workers, mostly from the new EU Member states, in an unprecedented immigration influx. The construction sector has accounted for approximately one-quarter of these jobs, and economists caution that any slowdown in Ireland's vibrant housing market would have ramifications for continued GDP growth.

Economic and trade ties are an important facet of overall U.S.-Irish relations. In 2005, U.S. exports to Ireland were valued at $9 billion, while Irish exports to the U.S. totaled $28 billion, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce. The range of U.S. exports includes electrical components and equipment, computers and peripherals, drugs and pharmaceuticals, and livestock feed. Irish exports to the United States represent approximately 20% of all Irish exports, and have roughly the same value as Irish exports to the UK (inclusive of Northern Ireland). Exports to the United States include alcoholic beverages, chemicals and related products, electronic data processing equipment, electrical machinery, textiles and clothing, and glassware. According to Ireland's Central Statistical Office, Irish exports to the United States from January to September 2006 rose by 7% compared to the same period in 2005, while Irish imports from the United States from January to September 2006 fell by 14% compared to the same period in 2005.

U.S. investment has been particularly important to the growth and modernization of Irish industry over the past 25 years, providing new technology, export capabilities, and employment opportunities. As of year-end 2006, the stock of U.S. foreign direct investment in Ireland stood at $84 billion, more than double the U.S. total for China and India combined ($31.2 billion). Currently, there are approximately 620 U.S. subsidiaries in Ireland, employing roughly 100,000 people and spanning activities from manufacturing of high-tech electronics, computer products, medical supplies, and pharmaceuticals to retailing, banking, finance, and other services. In more recent years, Ireland has also become an important research and development (R&D) center for U.S. firms in Europe.

Many U.S. businesses find Ireland an attractive location to manufacture for the EU market, since it is inside the EU customs area and uses the euro. In 2005, U.S. firms accounted for 61% of Ireland's total exports of euro 89 billion. Other reasons for Ireland's attractiveness include: a 12.5 percent corporate tax rate for domestic and foreign firms; the quality and flexibility of the English-speaking work force; cooperative labor relations; political stability; pro-business government policies; a transparent judicial system; strong intellectual property protection; and, the pulling power of existing companies operating successfully (a "clustering" effect). Factors that negatively affect Ireland's ability to attract investment include: increasing labor and energy costs (especially when compared to low-cost countries in Eastern Europe and Asia), skilled labor shortages, inadequate infrastructure (such as in the transportation and internet/broadband sectors), and price levels that are ranked among the highest in Europe.
*Nominal GDP (2009): $204.144 billion.
*Real GDP growth (2011): 2.8% (Q1 2011).
*Nominal GDP per capita (2009): $45,642.
*Natural resources: Zinc, lead, natural gas, barite, copper, gypsum, limestone, dolomite, peat.
*Agriculture (5% of GDP): Products—cattle, meat, and dairy products; potatoes; barley; hay; silage; wheat.
*Industry (46% of GDP): Types—food processing, beverages, engineering, computer equipment, textiles and clothing, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, construction.
*Trade (2006): Exports--$119.8 billion (excluding services): machinery, transport equipment, chemicals, food, live animals, manufactured materials, beverages. Imports--$87.4 billion (excluding services): grains, petroleum products, machinery, transport equipment, chemicals, textile yarns. Major suppliers-Great Britain and Northern Ireland 31%, U.S. 11%, Germany 8%, China 7%, Japan 4%, France 3%, rest of the world (including other EU Member States) 36%.

Ireland was badly hit by the 2008 financial crisis, resulting in the collapse of the property [[economic bubble|bubble]].

==History==
The earliest inhabitants—people of a mid-Stone Age culture—arrived about 6000 BC. About 4,000 years later, tribes from southern Europe arrived and established a high Neolithic culture, leaving behind gold ornaments and huge stone monuments. The Bronze Age people, who arrived during the next 1,000 years, produced elaborate gold and bronze ornaments and weapons.

The Iron Age arrived abruptly in the fourth century BC with the invasion of the Celts, a tall, energetic people who had spread across mainland Europe and Great Britain in the preceding centuries. The Celts, or Gaels, and their more numerous predecessors divided into five kingdoms in which, despite constant strife, a rich culture flourished.

The coming of Christianity from across the Irish Sea brought major changes and civilizing influences. Tradition maintains that [[St. Patrick]] arrived on the island in AD 432 and, in the years that followed, worked to convert the Irish to Christianity.

The pagan druid tradition collapsed before the spread of the new faith, and Irish scholars excelled in the study of Latin learning and Christian theology in the monasteries that flourished. Missionaries went forth from Ireland to Great Britain and the continent, spreading news of the flowering of learning, and scholars from other nations came to Irish monasteries. The excellence and isolation of these monasteries helped preserve Latin and Greek learning during the Dark Ages. The arts of manuscript illumination, metalworking, and sculpture flourished and produced such treasures as the Book of Kells, ornate jewelry, and the many carved stone crosses that dot the island.

Two hundred years of Viking invasion and settlement was later followed by a Norman conquest in the 12th century. The Norman conquest resulted in the assimilation of the Norman settlers into Irish society. The early 17th century saw the arrival of Scottish and English Protestants, sent as colonists to the north of Ireland and the Pale around Dublin.

In 1800 the Irish Parliament passed the Act of Union with Great Britain, and Ireland was an official part of the United Kingdom until 1921. Religious freedom, outlawed in the 18th century, was restored in 1829, but this victory for the Irish Catholic majority was overshadowed by a severe economic depression and the great famine from 1846-48 when the potato crop failed. Millions died, and the millions that emigrated spawned the first mass wave of Irish emigration to the United States. A decade later, in 1858, the Irish Republican Brotherhood (IRB—also known as the Fenians) was founded as a secret society dedicated to armed rebellion against the British. An aboveground political counterpart, the Home Rule Movement, was created in 1874, advocating constitutional change for independence.

Galvanized by the leadership of Charles Stewart Parnell, the party was able to force British governments after 1885 to introduce several home rule bills. The turn of the century witnessed a surge of interest in Irish nationalism, including the founding of Sinn Féin ("Ourselves Alone") as an open political movement.

Nationalism was and is a potent populist force in Irish politics. A home rule bill passed in 1914, but its implementation was suspended until war in Europe ended. Believing the mantra: "England's problem is Ireland's opportunity," and tapping into a mood of Gaelic revivalism, Padraic Pearse and James Connolly led the unsuccessful Easter Rising of 1916. Pearse and the other 1916 leaders declared an independent Irish republic, but a lack of popular support doomed the rebellion, which lasted a week and destroyed large portions of Dublin. The decision by the British military government to execute the leaders of the rebellion, coupled with the British Government's threat of conscripting the Irish to fight in the Great War, alienated public opinion and produced massive support for Sinn Féin in the 1918 general election. Under the leadership of Eamon de Valera, the elected Sinn Féin deputies constituted themselves as the first Dail. Tensions only increased: British attempts to smash Sinn Féin ignited the Anglo-Irish War of 1919-1921.

The end of the war brought the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1921, which established the Irish Free State of 26 counties within the [[Commonwealth of Nations|British Commonwealth]] and recognized the partition of the island into Ireland and Northern Ireland, though supposedly as a temporary measure. The six predominantly Protestant counties of northeast Ulster—Northern Ireland—remained a part of the United Kingdom with limited self-government. A significant Irish minority repudiated the treaty settlement because of the continuance of subordinate ties to the British monarch and the partition of the island. This opposition led to further hostilities—a civil war (1922–23), which was won by the pro-treaty forces.

In 1932, Eamon de Valera, the political leader of the forces initially opposed to the treaty, became Prime Minister, and a new Irish constitution was enacted in 1937. The last British military bases were soon withdrawn, and the ports were returned to Irish control. Ireland was neutral in World War II. The government formally declared Ireland a republic in 1948; however, it does not normally use the term "Republic of Ireland," which tacitly acknowledges the partition, but refers to the country simply as "Ireland."

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Middle-earth

2018-08-13T22:47:38Z

Fëalórin:

[[Image:Middle-earth.jpg|right|thumb|A map of the north-western part of Middle-earth at the end of the Third Age.|300px]]
'''Middle-earth''' is a fictional fantasy world invented by [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]. It is the setting of several of the stories written by him, such as ''[[The Hobbit]]'' or ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''. Although Middle-earth is only one continent in Tolkien's world, it is often used for the whole fictional universe and all stories Tolkien invented for it.

The world of Middle-earth is supposed to be a long gone mythological time of our earth. The continent Middle-earth corresponds roughly to the [[Eurasia]]n landmass, "east of the Sea.", although the shape of the lands have changed since then.

The name "Middle-earth" was derived from [[Midgard]],<ref>http://www.pantheon.org/areas/mythology/europe/norse/articles.html</ref> the "Middle World" of [[Norse mythology]] inhabited by humans, and located underneath Asgard, home of the gods, and above Hel, the underworld.

== History ==
=== Beginning ===
In the beginning there was [[Eru Ilúvatar]], and from him came the [[Ainu (Middle-earth)|Ainur]]. Eru created the universe, '''Eä'''. Some of the Ainur entered into Eä, as the powerful [[Vala (Middle-earth)|Valar]] and lesser [[Maia (Middle-earth)|Maiar]], who worked a to shape the world.
In the east was the continent Middle-earth, and in the west the island Valinor, land of the Valar.

=== First Age ===
In Valinor the Valar created the Two Trees, the silver Telperion and the golden Laurelin, who alternated to light the night and day; this began the [[First Age (Middle-earth)|First Age (of the Trees)]]. In the time after this the [[Elf (Middle-earth)|Elves]] and [[Dwarves (Middle-earth)|Dwarves]] awoke in Middle-earth. The Valar invited the Elves, and some of them came to Valinor. But [[Morgoth]] and the spider Ungoliant killed the Two Trees, and stole the [[Silmaril]] jewels from the [[Noldor]] elves. From the remains of the Trees the Valar created the Sun and the Moon, which marked the begin of the second part of the First Age, the [[First Age (Middle-earth)|First Age of the Sun]].

In the First Age of the Sun the Noldor returned to Middle-earth to retake the Silmarils and wage war against Morgoth. The still young peoples of Men arrived in the west of Middle-earth, and became involved. The Age ended when the Valar rose against Morgoth in the '''''War of Wrath''''', which resulted in the final imprisonment of Morgoth and the destruction of [[Beleriand]]. The story of the First Age and the Silmarils are told in the ''[[Silmarillion|Quenta Silmarillion]]''.

=== Second Age ===
In the Second Age, the [[Maia (Middle-earth)|Maia]] [[Sauron]], who had been the servant of [[Morgoth]], rose to great power and took his master's place as the malign spirit opposed to everything good in Middle-earth. The Men who were friends to the Elves were offered the island [[Númenor]] as their new home, and many moved there. The [[Rings of Power]] were forged by the Elves and Sauron.
When the King of Númenor, though Sauron's counsel, rose to make war on Valinor the shape of the world was forever changed, the island of Númenor destroyed and the road to Valinor hidden. The survivors of Númenor loyal to the West, the "Faithful" or ''Elendili'' ([[Quenya]] "Elf-friends") led by [[Elendil]], fled to Middle-earth where they founded the realms [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]].
High King Gil-galad of the [[Noldor]] and King Elendil of the Dúnedain formed the '''''Last Alliance of Elves and Men''''' to fight Sauron. At the end of the '''''War of the Last Alliance''''', Sauron was defeated at the foot of [[Mount Doom]], and his great [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|Ring]] was cut from his hand by [[Isildur]], son of Elendil. Sauron's body was slain and his vanquished spirit fled into the wilderness, which ushered in the Third Age.

=== Third Age ===
At the beginning of the Age the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] was lost when Isildur was killed by orcs. In the Third Age the Realms of Men went into decline after a time of prosperity, and Sauron rose to power once more. The events culminated in the '''''War of the Ring''''' at the end of the Age. The stories of the end of the Third Age are told in ''[[The Hobbit]]'' (T.A. 2941) and the ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' (T.A. 3001-3021).

== Peoples ==
The world of Middle-earth is inhabited by many peoples and creatures. The oldest are the '''[[Elf (Middle-earth)|Elves]]''', powerful and immortal. Next are the '''[[Dwarves (Middle-earth)|Dwarves]]''', who are mortal, and great craftsmen and miners. There are also the mortal '''Men'''. Youngest of all, appearing only in the Third Age, are the '''[[Hobbits]]'''. Another people are the tree-like '''[[Ent (Middle-earth)|Ents]]'''. Although not one of the peoples of Middle-earth, there are the '''[[Orc (Middle-earth)|Orcs]]''', made by the first Dark Lord [[Morgoth]] as his servants. The peoples of the Middle-earth world speak a [[Tolkien's languages|variety of different languages]].

== Chronology ==
The history of the Middle-earth and the Undying Lands world spans thousands of years. Sometimes, in the wake of great historical events, a new ''Age'' is begun, again starting with the year 1.

* '''Creation''': The period in which Arda (the world in which Middle-Earth is based in) is created by Eru.
* '''Ages of Lamps''': The period in which the world was lighted up by gaint lamps. The age ended when [[Morgoth|Melkor]] distroyed the lamps.
* '''First Age of the Trees''': An era within the Undying Lands. In this era, Trees of Valar were planted.
* '''Second Age of the Trees''': Began with the creation of stars and ended with the destruction of the Trees of Valar.
* '''Age of Darkness''': A time where Middle-Earth was covered in darkness.
* '''Age of Stars''': Began with the Awakening of the [[Elf (Middle-earth)|Elves]] and the [[Dwarves (Middle-earth)|Dwarves]]. In this age, the [[Orcs]] were created by [[Morgoth]].
* '''First Age of the Sun''': (590 years): Begins with the creation of the Sun and Moon and the awakening of men. It ended with the ''War of Wrath'', the final imprisonment of [[Morgoth]] and the destruction of [[Beleriand]].
* '''Second Age of the Sun''' (S.A., 3441 years): Begins after the end of the ''[[War of Wrath]]''. Contains the destruction of [[Númenor]] (T.A. 3319). Ends with the defeat of Sauron in the ''[[War of the Last Alliance]]''.
* '''Third Age of the Sun''': (T.A., 3021 years): Began after Sauron's defeat by the Last Alliance. Contains the events of ''[[The Hobbit]]'' (T.A. 2941) and the [[The Lord of the Rings|War of the Ring]] (T.A. 3018-3019). Ends with the destruction of the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] and the defeat of [[Sauron]].
* '''Fourth Age of the Sun''': followed the defeat of Sauron and the One Ring, but started officially when the Bearers of the [[Rings of Power|Three Rings]] left for the West. The Elves dwindle and leave, while the realms of Men prosper, becoming the dominant people of Middle-earth.<ref>J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Appendix B</ref>

There exist several calendars, as the different peoples created their own or adapted them from older systems. Another important calendar for the books is that of the [[Hobbit]]s: the '''''Shire Calendar''''' and the '''''Shire Reckoning'''''. The Shire Reckoning (S.R.) starts with the colonisation of the [[Shire (Middle-earth)|Shire]] in T.A. 1601 as year one. The Shire Calendar and Shire Reckoning was used in the Shire and in [[Breeland]].<ref>J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Appendix D</ref>

== References ==
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== See also ==
*[[:Category:Middle-earth]], [[List of Lord of the Rings-related articles|Lists of Middle-earth entries]]
*[[Middle-earth locations]], [[Middle-earth objects]]
*[[Tolkien's languages and scripts]]

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Gandalf

2018-08-13T22:41:51Z

Fëalórin:

[[File:Gandalf.jpg|250px|thumb|Gandalf, as portrayed by [[Ian McKellen]] in [[Peter Jackson]]'s [[The Hobbit film trilogy|adaptation]] of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s ''[[The Hobbit]]'']]'''Gandalf''' is a character in [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]'s [[Middle-earth]] world, appearing as a main character in ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''. He is one of the [[Istari]], a group commonly called "[[wizard (fiction)|Wizards]]" by the people of Middle-earth.

To many people he was known as ''Gandalf'' (''the Grey''). He was also known as '''Mithrandir''', the ''Grey Pilgrim'' to the [[Quendi|Elves]] and Men of Gondor. He was also known as '''Incánus''' in the south and as '''Tharkûn''' to the [[Khazâd|Dwarves]].

Gandalf was a [[Ainu (Middle-earth)|Maia]], a follower of the Vala Manwë. In Valinor he had been known by the name '''Olórin'''. He was sent to Middle-earth as one of the five Istari, Maiar bound in the physical form of old human men, to resist the evil of [[Sauron]]. Gandalf arrived at the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]] sometime in the 11th century of the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] where Círdan, the ord over the havens, gave him the Ring [[Narya]]. He traveled all over Middle-earth to the free peoples, watching and listening, and inspiring and guiding the people he met to realize their potential and further the cause for good.

Gandalf was the driving force behind the ''Quest of Erebor'' in [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|T.A.]] 2941, which is told in ''The Hobbit''. The [[Erebor|Lonely Mountain]] was liberated from the dragon Smaug, Smaug was slain, and the Dwarves returned to Erebor under the rule of a new ''King under the Mountain''. He, along with the White Council were also responsible for removing Sauron from southern [[Mirkwood]] in his guise as "the Necromancer."

After these events he had become suspicious about the ring [[Bilbo Baggins]] had found. In the time that followed, he researched about the whereabouts of the One Ring, found and questioned Gollum, and was generally very busy in the years leading up to the ''War of the Ring''. Gandalf sent [[Frodo Baggins]] on his quest, told in the ''The Lord of the Rings''. After he was separated from the Fellowship in [[Khazad-dûm|Moria]], he died after fighting the [[Balrog]]. He was sent back, now ''Gandalf the White'', to further guide the peoples of Middle-earth in their struggles. At the conclusion of the ''War of the Ring'' he accompanied Frodo, Bilbo, [[Elrond]], and [[Galadriel]] on a sea voyage to the Undying Lands in the West.

== Adaptions ==
In Peter Jackson's [[The Lord of the Rings film trilogy|film adaptations]] of ''The Lord of the Rings'', Gandalf is played by [[Ian McKellen]].

== References ==
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Gandalf

2018-08-13T22:38:07Z

Fëalórin:

[[File:Gandalf.jpg|250px]]'''Gandalf''' is a character in [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]'s [[Middle-earth]] world, appearing as a main character in ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''. He is one of the [[Istari]], a group commonly called "[[wizard (fiction)|Wizards]]" by the people of Middle-earth.

To many people he was known as ''Gandalf'' (''the Grey''). He was also known as '''Mithrandir''', the ''Grey Pilgrim'' to the [[Quendi|Elves]] and Men of Gondor. He was also known as '''Incánus''' in the south and as '''Tharkûn''' to the [[Khazâd|Dwarves]].

Gandalf was a [[Ainu (Middle-earth)|Maia]], a follower of the Vala Manwë. In Valinor he had been known by the name '''Olórin'''. He was sent to Middle-earth as one of the five Istari, Maiar bound in the physical form of old human men, to resist the evil of [[Sauron]]. Gandalf arrived at the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]] sometime in the 11th century of the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] where Círdan, the ord over the havens, gave him the Ring [[Narya]]. He traveled all over Middle-earth to the free peoples, watching and listening, and inspiring and guiding the people he met to realize their potential and further the cause for good.

Gandalf was the driving force behind the ''Quest of Erebor'' in [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|T.A.]] 2941, which is told in ''The Hobbit''. The [[Erebor|Lonely Mountain]] was liberated from the dragon Smaug, Smaug was slain, and the Dwarves returned to Erebor under the rule of a new ''King under the Mountain''. He, along with the White Council were also responsible for removing Sauron from southern [[Mirkwood]] in his guise as "the Necromancer."

After these events he had become suspicious about the ring [[Bilbo Baggins]] had found. In the time that followed, he researched about the whereabouts of the One Ring, found and questioned Gollum, and was generally very busy in the years leading up to the ''War of the Ring''. Gandalf sent [[Frodo Baggins]] on his quest, told in the ''The Lord of the Rings''. After he was separated from the Fellowship in [[Khazad-dûm|Moria]], he died after fighting the [[Balrog]]. He was sent back, now ''Gandalf the White'', to further guide the peoples of Middle-earth in their struggles. At the conclusion of the ''War of the Ring'' he accompanied Frodo, Bilbo, [[Elrond]], and [[Galadriel]] on a sea voyage to the Undying Lands in the West.

== Adaptions ==
In Peter Jackson's [[The Lord of the Rings film trilogy|film adaptations]] of ''The Lord of the Rings'', Gandalf is played by [[Ian McKellen]].

== References ==
{{reflist|1}}

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Gandalf

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Fëalórin:

'''Gandalf''' is a character in [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]'s [[Middle-earth]] world, appearing as a main character in ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''. He is one of the [[Istari]], a group commonly called "[[wizard (fiction)|Wizards]]" by the people of Middle-earth.

To many people he was known as ''Gandalf'' (''the Grey''). He was also known as '''Mithrandir''', the ''Grey Pilgrim'' to the [[Quendi|Elves]] and Men of Gondor. He was also known as '''Incánus''' in the south and as '''Tharkûn''' to the [[Khazâd|Dwarves]].

Gandalf was a [[Ainu (Middle-earth)|Maia]], a follower of the Vala Manwë. In Valinor he had been known by the name '''Olórin'''. He was sent to Middle-earth as one of the five Istari, Maiar bound in the physical form of old human men, to resist the evil of [[Sauron]]. Gandalf arrived at the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]] sometime in the 11th century of the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] where Círdan, the ord over the havens, gave him the Ring [[Narya]]. He traveled all over Middle-earth to the free peoples, watching and listening, and inspiring and guiding the people he met to realize their potential and further the cause for good.

Gandalf was the driving force behind the ''Quest of Erebor'' in [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|T.A.]] 2941, which is told in ''The Hobbit''. The [[Erebor|Lonely Mountain]] was liberated from the dragon Smaug, Smaug was slain, and the Dwarves returned to Erebor under the rule of a new ''King under the Mountain''. He, along with the White Council were also responsible for removing Sauron from southern [[Mirkwood]] in his guise as "the Necromancer."

After these events he had become suspicious about the ring [[Bilbo Baggins]] had found. In the time that followed, he researched about the whereabouts of the One Ring, found and questioned Gollum, and was generally very busy in the years leading up to the ''War of the Ring''. Gandalf sent [[Frodo Baggins]] on his quest, told in the ''The Lord of the Rings''. After he was separated from the Fellowship in [[Khazad-dûm|Moria]], he died after fighting the [[Balrog]]. He was sent back, now ''Gandalf the White'', to further guide the peoples of Middle-earth in their struggles. At the conclusion of the ''War of the Ring'' he accompanied Frodo, Bilbo, [[Elrond]], and [[Galadriel]] on a sea voyage to the Undying Lands in the West.

== Adaptions ==
In Peter Jackson's [[The Lord of the Rings film trilogy|film adaptations]] of ''The Lord of the Rings'', Gandalf is played by [[Ian McKellen]].

== References ==
{{reflist|1}}

{{Middle-earth}}
[[Category:Middle-earth]]

Gandalf

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Fëalórin:

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To many people he was known as ''Gandalf'' (''the Grey''). He was also known as '''Mithrandir''', the ''Grey Pilgrim'' to the [[Quendi|Elves]] and Men of Gondor. He was also known as '''Incánus''' in the south and as '''Tharkûn''' to the [[Khazâd|Dwarves]].

Gandalf was a [[Ainu (Middle-earth)|Maia]], a follower of the Vala Manwë. In Valinor he had been known by the name '''Olórin'''. He was sent to Middle-earth as one of the five Istari, Maiar bound in the physical form of old human men, to resist the evil of [[Sauron]]. Gandalf arrived at the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]] sometime in the 11th century of the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] where Círdan, the ord over the havens, gave him the Ring [[Narya]]. He traveled all over Middle-earth to the free peoples, watching and listening, and inspiring and guiding the people he met to realize their potential and further the cause for good.

Gandalf was the driving force behind the ''Quest of Erebor'' in [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|T.A.]] 2941, which is told in ''The Hobbit''. The [[Erebor|Lonely Mountain]] was liberated from the dragon Smaug, Smaug was slain, and the Dwarves returned to Erebor under the rule of a new ''King under the Mountain''. He, along with the White Council were also responsible for removing Sauron from southern [[Mirkwood]] in his guise as "the Necromancer."

After these events he had become suspicious about the ring [[Bilbo Baggins]] had found. In the time that followed, he researched about the whereabouts of the One Ring, found and questioned Gollum, and was generally very busy in the years leading up to the ''War of the Ring''. Gandalf sent [[Frodo Baggins]] on his quest, told in the ''The Lord of the Rings''. After he was separated from the Fellowship in [[Khazad-dûm|Moria]], he died after fighting the [[Balrog]]. He was sent back, now ''Gandalf the White'', to further guide the peoples of Middle-earth in their struggles. At the conclusion of the ''War of the Ring'' he accompanied Frodo, Bilbo, [[Elrond]], and [[Galadriel]] on a sea voyage to the Undying Lands in the West.

== Adaptions ==
In Peter Jackson's [[The Lord of the Rings film trilogy|film adaptations]] of ''The Lord of the Rings'', Gandalf is played by [[Ian McKellen]].

== References ==
{{reflist|1}}

{{Middle-earth}}
[[Category:Middle-earth]]

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User talk:DavidB4

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== Question ==

What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

== move request / delete request ==

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)

::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Conservapedia IRC channel ==

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
:::::Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Image typo ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Merge cats? ==

Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])

Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

== Moving Pages ==

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway. I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]]. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Anti-Trump" article ==

Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
:Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Picture Upload Requests==

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423

Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg

:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).

== Question ==

Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion ==

Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

:Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Ref help and suggestion ==

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

==Regarding Ransomware==
I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
:2. Reinstalling Windows.
:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
:# Not going to work, as explained.
:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
:#Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).

:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.

:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system. [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.

:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

==Congressman John Fleming==

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== Editor ==

Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

== Protection ==

The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==

Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

== D.T. achievements article question ==

The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

::That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

::They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

== Bye ==

It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
:I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
::He appears to have been some type of parodist.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::Clearly I missed that. Thanks for trying anyway....
::I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
:Thank you for your kind words.
:::BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
: I need someone to get rid of the title [[Joseph Belloc]] so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
::Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== Cleaning up after the blocked users ==

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from [http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page this website]. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::::I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt|here]], including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.

:Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.

:I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below ==

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.

If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.

=== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable? ===

{{welcome}}

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes. I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
==== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ====

[[File:Plate of cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Conservative! I am [[User:This lousy T-shirt|This lousy T-shirt]] and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Knox490|your contributions]]. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], or feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:This lousy T-shirt|my talk page]] or type ''{{tl|helpme}}'' at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
* [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]]
* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
* [[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
* [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia].
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether. As time allows, I'll see what I can put together. Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I'll see what I can do. It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

:::::::I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work. Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea. I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow. Maybe I can find a good shade combo though. Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

== Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page. Here is the updated version ==

Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: [https://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+basket&rlz=1C1PRFG_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHyI_c0trUAhUH0oMKHeMQDy4Q_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510#tbm=isch&q=welcome+fruit+basket Google images - Welcome fruit baskets]. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at: https://pixabay.com/en/photos/?hp=&image_type=&cat=&min_width=&min_height=&q=fruit+basket&order=

Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/similar/350093981

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== Email ==

I sent you an email about a question I have. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you another one. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
::Replied --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

I sent you an email several days ago, but you haven't responded. Maybe you didn't intend to, or you're taking your time to respond, but I just want to be sure you got it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:56, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

:I read it some time ago, but it seems I forgot to respond... My apologies! I've sent you a reply now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

I replied to your email (twice), but I received an automated email saying that my response was unable to reach you, saying it was a "permanent error" and (though it's hard to understand) that someone's IP address was blocked as spam for some reason. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:I did receive them both, and have replied. My spam filter has been a little on the fritz lately. Having my address publicly posted has enabled web spiders to scrape it, and sell my address to spammers. I can always change my address if it gets too annoying, but it hasn't really been a problem due to spam filtering. It seem I'll need to look into this, though. It has been flagging some messages from Conservative as spam, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:31, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

== Image question ==

I was also looking to add an image to [[Rare (company)]], hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:Hi,
:That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission. While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights. If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright. If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it. However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it. You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side. If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable. For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking. Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that [http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/XboxComTOU these terms] (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
::Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them. Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft. In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== Gender ideology ==
Hi, you reverted my last contribution in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gender_ideology&diff=prev&oldid=1363294 here] that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --[[User:AK|AK]] ([[User talk:AK|talk]]) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:BTW, I restored the page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake. I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990'sguy for restoring it! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

== Move requests ==

I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: [[:Category:Globalist]] to [[:Category:Globalists]], and [[:Category:Nationalist]] to [[:Category:Nationalists]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
:Good suggestions--done. I can move the pages using my bot later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Hello David, would you please move these two categories: [[:Category:Media personalities]] to [[:Category:Media Personalities]], and [[:Category:High schools]] to [[:Category:High Schools]]? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

:Done. The images in [[:Category:Media personalities]] were protected so they could not be moved. All the rest are taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thank you for your assistance. Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed". Please look at: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_achievements:_Criminal_justice,_law_enforcement,_and_other_DOJ_matters&diff=1368054&oldid=1368043 this proposal.] Many thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
:I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== IP blocks ==

Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

:It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
:If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright. I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies. Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses. These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more. They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.

== Copied article ==

A lot of the article [[Steppenwolf]] appears to be copied from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steppenwolf_(band)&oldid=796579357 the Wikipedia version]. Should it be deleted? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the [[Talk:Steppenwolf|talk page]] awhile back. I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person. I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

== Delete article? ==

Should we delete this article: [[Julia Gasper]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized. I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your input ==

Is this a bad edit: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&curid=1989&diff=1374996&oldid=1262366]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
:I've been pondering the same question. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chivalry merriam-webster] doesn't really specify, although some other sites like [http://www.wordnik.com/words/chivalry wordnik] do. Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
:I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

What do you think about this article? [[Peregrin Chronicles]]? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

:I don't think I can be much help with this one either. I've never heard of the series before. It exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676468266/the-aliens-have-landed-the-peregrin-chronicles-com kickstarter] didn't get much support, either. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's another one: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_evangelism&curid=105140&diff=1375410&oldid=1271896] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User Abranch|TALK]]) Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)

:::That is exactly right--I'm glad to hear those are your beliefs! Admittedly, my experience with Campus Crusade is limited to contact with one local chapter. I've never gotten into the full organization, so it's possible that things were represented slightly differently to me than is typical. I also have been out of contact with them for a little while now. I will take a look at the page you revised at some point. Thanks for your contributions so far! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:24, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's an article that might need a page move: [[Homework]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Email spam? ==

Is my email address in your spam folder again? I sent you an email a few days ago and am curious at the lack of response (though it's not important anymore). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:16, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it seems your message got lost in the noise. I already have written some rules which should be allowing all messages from CP users, but for some reason it's not working quire right. My apologies! I've relied to your message, though as you said, it's a bit late now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

::Maybe it's the name I use for my email address, "1990" for the first name and "sguy" for the last name? I have had some minor problems with my CP/WP/etc. email address before. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

:::Yeah, I think that's it. A lot of "marketing" (spam) corporations like to use algorithmically generated names, containing numbers and other gibberish. I think a batch of rules I set up early-on (before I knew better) flagged addresses starting with numbers for that reason. I think I've cleared out the offending rules. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your welcome message ==

On the user talk page [[User talk:NeilG]], someone put your newly designed welcome/template message.

Please change the color of the blue background. The dark blue combined with the black text is not the easiest to read. There is not enough contrast between those colors.

As far as a color I suggest using some shade of yellow or possibly a creamy yellow color such as [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/66/18/3e6618ad619db4d45c168d4c8dd04ea4--dutch-boy-paint-colors-paint-colours.jpg THIS COLOR] or a light parchment color such as [http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Acrylic/DecoArt/Americana/Light-Parchment/Light-Parchment.gif THIS COLOR].

In short, the black type should be on a lighter background. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

:Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't made any changes yet, but I just want to let you know I am playing with it. I was trying to stick with the red-white-blue theme, as requested by others, but I'll try deviating from that theme. I though the background was light enough for the black text, but even if it is, the blue links don't work on blue. I suppose I could do a dark background and light text, too. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear. If I cant't find something I like, I'll at least make an edit to improve it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:35, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::Is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Greeting&oldid=1379860 this] more like what you were thinking of? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:14, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

== Image copyright ==

Considering the "Personality rights warning" tag, is there any problem in uploading this image? [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_portrait_of_Mr_Jacob_Rees-Mogg.jpg] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:39, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
:Also, in addition to the Corporate tyranny article (if you are still planning on it), would you please add that box-format code to the list of corporate supporters in the [[Southern Poverty Law Center]] and [[Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights]] articles? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

::It sounds to me like we can use that image. They seem to just be saying that although the images is CC licensed, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg still has legal claim on his likeness. This is nothing new, since every photograph of a person is like this. It should be fine to go for it.
::I wasn't aware of those pages needing it, but yes, I can probably do it. Doing this takes a fair amount of time, but also I need preview frequently. Right now, I'me getting 500 errors about 60% of the time, so I can't count on it lot loosing my work. (Submitting this took 3 tries and 2 minutes) Once things stabilize, I'll give it a go. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:51, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::BTW, I learned recently that if you make an edit and the internal server error (why in the world is it happening so much now?) come on, you can just press the refresh button and your edit will still be saved. You don't need to worry about your information being lost. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point! I've noticed that sometimes works, but I've had times when it doesn't. However, some browsers hold information from past pages. I'm using [[Vivaldi (web browser)|Vivaldi]], which does this. In case of a 500 error, I can just hit back and it instantly loads back the past (edit) page with my edits. I think a number of them do this, including Firefox. I don't know if this works for you.
::::Conservative thinks its due to D/DoS attacks--I don't know if this is the case or not, but it could be. The server responds, but there seems to be some problem in the server's internal services; download requests are not handled properly. Sometimes the requests are not served at all, and other times an incomplete answer is provided. It sounds to me more like a problem with the server processing power or software. However, it could be a simple DoS/DDoS an attack. I have also noticed that certain queries available to the public on this site can take several minutes. Run 100 of those simultaneously, and it could load down the server too. Anyway, I've discontinued all my bot activity, which is about all I can do. It will clear up eventually. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::::David, in addition to the tables, would you please upload the image of Rees-Mogg for me? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

::::::There are still a lot of pending upload requests, but if you want me to do it so I will be liable, I suppose I can at some point. I'm busy putting out other fires at the moment. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:28, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

As requested, uploaded as [[:File:Official portrait of Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:45, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:10, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

== Move request ==

I hate to have four links starting with "Breitbart" leading to the same location, but would you please move [[Breitbart.com]] to [[Breitbart News]]? That is how they refer to themselves. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:07, 20 October 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, done! Four does seem like a bit much, but this is a good suggestion. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:10, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

Hello DavidB4, I have some more requests:
*Please move [[:Category:2016 presidential election]] to [[:Category:2016 Presidential Election]], and please use your bot to change the category name in the individual articles with it
::Done, but [[Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow]] is protected and could not be moved
*Please do the exact same thing with [[:Category:American war heroes]], [[:Category:Population politics]], [[:Category:United States Air Force aircraft]], [[:Category:Heads of government]], and [[:Category:Current Heads of government]].
::Done!
*Please move [[:Category:Neoconservative]] to [[:Category:Neoconservatives]], and use your bot to move the individual articles.
*Please movie [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] to the more recognizable name of [[:File:European Union flag.png]], and then please move the name on the linked articles
If There are any protected pages/files in any of the categories, I will ask Andy afterward to move them, as well as to delete the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)
:In addition to my above requests, do you know how to get the table at [[Conservative news websites]] to show up at the top of the article? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:57, 24 November 2017 (EST)
::It seems the table was not closed properly, so the Wiki was confused--I've fixed that. I'll move those pages soon, but this is a very busy week for me, so it may take a little time. Feel free to remind me if I don't do them in a few days. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::Also, it appears that [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] is protected, so I cannot move it. It will need to be unlocked first, which I have requested. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 27 November 2017 (EST)

:::I think that's everything, except for some [[User_talk:Aschlafly#More_delete_requests|pending unlock requests]]. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:55, 1 December 2017 (EST)
::::If you would move [[:File:Gwtgg.jpg]] and [[:File:786980.jpg]] (as well as the code on the articles they are linked on) to titles that make sense before Andy re-protects them, I would appreciate that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::::I wanted to do just that, and said as much to Andy. However, unlike the others which he completely unlocked, he left move protection on those files, so I'm assuming that he does not want them moved. I can't, so I didn't. It's a good suggestion, though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[The Battle of Sunshine Church]] to [[Battle of Sunshine Church]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:40, 6 December 2017 (EST)

Should [[Worst Liberal Video Games]] be moved to an essay? The other "Best" and "worst" articles are essays, so it might make sense to move this. Also, this article has no categories. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:Yes, [[:Category:Video Games]] should be added to it at the very least. It was your discovery, so I'll leave the categorization to you. Moving this page to essay namespace makes sense to me--"best" and "worst" are very subjective, so I see no reason not to move this. However, since it is a higher-traffic page, I wonder if the move template should be placed on it first for a little while so people have time to comment and discuss it if they want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::It might be a good idea, though at the same time, I'm sure that most page viewers don't have editing accounts. By the way, I just saw that [[Greatest Conservative Video Games]] also exists, with the same problems as the other page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:59, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:::Fair enough--I've moved both of them. I'll leave the redirects, though, to help channel the traffic. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::::Thanks. I agree about keeping the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Please move [[:Category:Rothschild family]] so "family" is capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 31 December 2017 (EST)

:I would have assumed that "family" would not be part of the proper noun on this. Have they become so well know that it has, though? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:27, 31 December 2017 (EST)
::Either way, it's a category, so per the naming convention, "family" should be capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. I'm not sure why I missed that this was a category when I asked that. Anyway, I did your suggested move as you've already seen, though I missed deleting the redirect. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 2 January 2018 (EST)

==Thanks for the message==
To David,
Thank you for your reminder. I will add them up as soon as possible. There are some sources that are conservative but in foreign languages, I will add them as soon as possible.

:Okay, thank you! Even if in a foreign language, it would be a good idea to include them...They were your information source, so they deserve credit. Anyway, you probably know all this--I just figured I'd mention it. Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:35, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

== Dealing with Hahalongboy ==

David: I am puzzled by your note on Hahalongboy's talk page. It looks as thought you may be taunting him. I would advise against this sort of thing.

Now I now nothing about what he is actually doing, or what the "Swans" band is, other than that it's pretty obvious I would never want to hear their "noise rock" (whatever that is) music. And I do not know what the "meme" is that you are talking about. That said, it seems that either
*You find his behavior utterly unacceptable, in which case you should revert or delete it, and block him, or
*You actually want to engage with him on the subject.
I would guess that it's the latter, since you know perfectly well how to block people. If so, I found what you wrote to be a bit impolite. If you can discuss with him how he can improve his writing, please do so.

You do not strike me as an impolite person, which is why I am puzzled that you seem to be speaking in riddles

There are people here who block people with incredibly impolite comments, often along the lines of "You just proved that we [presumably the Conservapedia editor community] are right about what liberals [of which you presumably are one] do." But you are not that kind of person.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:04, 3 December 2017 (EST)

:It was not my intent to specifically taunt him/her. However, they are clearly fooling around. "Haha Long Boy" is a harmless but pretty much meaningless "meme" (see: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/long-boy) which was popular among certain millennials about a year ago. On their profile page they put the grammatical equivalent of "XD" which is supposed to represent a face with mouth open and eyes tightly closed in laughter. This user is not being overtly harmful, so I was granting them the benefit of the doubt. However, in response to their goofy (childish?) behavior, I decided to "toss it right back" to them and see what happened. I suspect this is a troll, but I don't know yet. It is my intent to not be unduely hostile, but to learn their intent at the same time.
:Thanks for the feedback, though. I didn't say more to them at the time because I was still trying to determine their intentions, and didn't want to waste time on a troll. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:18, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::Fair enough. You obviously know way more about this than I do. I'll butt out now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:32, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::I sometimes pick up strange knowledge which actually proves useful. I've seen this kind of clowning around on another site I administrate, too. I usually don't engage them, but decided to give this one a try. As you probably saw, I did decide, following your comment, that I should leave a proper welcome. It never hurts, so thanks for nudge! Anyway, Conservative decided to nuke things, so I guess he decided there is nothing to be gained from it. 
:::Feel free to comment/interject/suggest/complain any time though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:45, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Image licensing ==

Hello David, I want to upload [https://www.flickr.com/photos/135638414@N02/20882496641/in/album-72157655419191143/ this image], but on the right-hand side, it says "All Rights Reserved." Does this mean I cannot upload the image? Or is it a good idea to ask the Lt. Gov. office or Patrick's campaign for permission to use it? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:09, 17 December 2017 (EST)

:Hi, It could be argued that to reuse it would be permitted under the fair use exception, but I try to avoid that here in particular. On Flickr, users specifically manage licenses, so this appears to be a deliberate act to restrict reuse. To honor that wish, I try not to use them. However, Fair Use is widely interpreted different ways...some might see it as completely fine in this case. It sounds like neither of us are confident it is acceptable, so probably you'd best skip it or ask them.
:This image looks suspiciously like it could be a government-produced image--I wonder if it could be found elsewhere with more information. If the government made it, then it's in the public domain. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:20, 19 December 2017 (EST)
::Does this also apply for state government photos? I know (partially from experience) that Wikipedia frequently deletes what official state government images (found on state government websites), allegedly due to not being free to use. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:26, 19 December 2017 (EST)

:::You're right--some states do hold copyrights, while others release all right to the public. It goes state-by-state, and I couldn't find anything on Texas specifically. So asking them would probably be the best option. Thanks for pointing that out--I was oblivious of that until now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:40, 19 December 2017 (EST)

I contacted the Office of the Lieutenant Governor Friday, and I am awaiting a response. On a different topic, please delete the redirect "Great Persecution" and move the article [[Diocletian persecution]] to it. The most common names for the persecution are either "Great Persecution" or "Diocletianic Persecution", and the current name is neither of these two. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:06, 24 December 2017 (EST)

:Okay, thanks for the heads-up. I've moved the page as requested also. Have a merry Christmas! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:21, 24 December 2017 (EST)
::Merry Christmas to you too! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 24 December 2017 (EST)

== Hi ==

So, I'm an editor on the English Wikipedia, and noticed you put a help message on my talk page back in April. I may want to start editing here. Is the Wikitext the same base language? And what would you reccommend I do to get started? Thank's, [[User:Adotchar|Adotchar]] ([[User talk:Adotchar|talk]]) 19:16, 18 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! We do use the same basic wiki language. We use MediaWiki, which is produced by the WikiMedia Foundation. A page on the basics is [[Help:How to edit a website like Conservapedia|here]], but if you know how to edit on WP, you should be all set for editing here. A basic summary of who we are and what we do is [[Conservapedia:Quick reference|here]], but an extensive guide is available [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages|in our manual of style]]. Lastly, here are our [[Conservapedia:Commandments|rules]] and our [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guidelines]].
:I know that's a lot of material, but hopefully some of it will be helpful. Other than reading up on any (or all) of that, just find something which needs improvement or creation, and edit it! Cite your sources, try to keep in uniform style, and avoid a liberal point of view. We do not specifically have a NPoV rule, so a "conservative bias" is permissible when it is supported by evidence. Otherwise, the safe option is to keep it neutral. You should also have the ability to create pages by yourself, without requesting permission.
:You can discuss possible changes on talk pages, and may want to do so for larger changes, especially on larger, more popular pages. However, this is not required. For the most part, it has been my experience that others leave you alone while you edit, unless they see an obvious problem.
:If you have any questions, you can always ask me, or you can try asking everyone on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|community portal]]. I think that just about covers it, but if I missed something or if you have any other questions, I'm happy to help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:12, 19 December 2017 (EST)

== Merging ==

Hello DavidB4, I noticed that we have two categories for the [[Tea Party Movement]]: [[:Category:Tea Party Movement]] and [[:Category:Tea Party]]. Do you agree that these should be merged?

Also, I think I mentioned to you sometime earlier about possibly merging [[Republicanism]] with [[Republican form of government]]. I will look into that soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:44, 27 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! Those do sound like good candidates to be merged--go for it! You did mention the "Republicanism" category issue, too. I would be fine with that merge as well. Thanks for doing clean-up! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)

== New Essay ==

I was thinking that this site needs a new essay on how Christians display morals and values that are antithetical to mainstream culture and all of its vices. Look at this article from the Babylon Bee:

http://babylonbee.com/news/another-actress-accuses-kirk-cameron-treating-respect/

It's pretty hilarious considering all of the sex scandals that are going on in Hollywood these days. Kirk Cameron definitely stands out from mainstream Hollywood actors by being faithfully married to his wife Chelsea since 1991. If you notice, I added several Christian songs to the "Greatest Conservative Songs" that not only promote Christian values, but also are the antithesis of modern mainstream Hollywood and Liberal values. Shobson20 (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:That is a good article, and it would be great to have something written on it. If you would like to write an essay on the subject in general, go for it! It is amazing for foreign christian beliefs are to secular ones sometimes. People don't usually become Christians expecting to be come polar opposites of the norm, but through the work of God's spirit, they in many ways do. Then the world is shocked that these Christians do respect people, abut do not engage in their vices. Many of the world's problems (drunk driving, sexually transmitted diseases, selfishness leading to communist leanings, unwanted pregnancies and single parenthood, etc.) are largely eliminated by the Christian lifestyle. I would be interested in reading an essay on this general topic, if you write one!
:Just go ahead and pick a title, then create the page and write it! As long as it holds to Conservapdia's "[[Conservapedia:Commandments|commandments]]," you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want with it. (Rule #5 does not apply on essay either, though I personally prefer to let the reader make some informed decisions of their own.)
:There might also be some article on the issue of sex scandals, though the only page I could find on the subject was "[[Atheism and sexual immorality]]". This article and a related blurb might be something which could benefit such a page. It would not be opinion, but verifiable fact. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:56, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular Here is the new essay, I would like input from other Conservapedians, so anything you could do to increase the visibility of this page would be appreciated. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 10:28, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::Essays are typically edited only by the author, unless a special exception in made. Therefore, out of respect for your work, people will probably do no more that comment on the talk page. Is this what you want, or would you prefer this to be an open page, like [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs]]? IF it is open to anyone, you may want to specify this at the top of it, or at least on the talk page.
:::As for getting input from others, I've had limited success doing this in the past, unfortunately. However, one thing you could try is posting about it on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]] to see if anyone has input. I see that 1990'sguy has [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular&curid=148244&diff=1394532&oldid=1394529 already chipped in], too which is good! It seems he has understood your intent for this to be an open essay, as I suspect you want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Potential edit war ==

On this page: http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies MacTavish moved Home Alone 2 to the "Debatable Whether Great Section" and personally accused the movie makers of having "Hollywood Greed." I think that statement is too vindictive and accusatory, so I changed it, but he's probably going to change it back. I don't think his statement is appropriate for CP.

:I recommend either going to the essay's talk page or MacTavish's talk page and talking it out. It's the best way to solve conflicts like this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::Agreed, that's the place to discuss it, since interested people are more likely to see it. I'm happy to weigh in though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:08, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::He just removed my message from his talk page [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 01:28, 29 December 2017 (EST)

::::So I see--that does seem a little odd.
::::I don't see why it should be "debatable," but here we are debating it, so perhaps it does belong in that section. I was hoping we might be a response from him, but I guess he doesn't feel like talking. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:01, 29 December 2017 (EST)

== Greeting for new editors ==

You did a fantastic job as far as creating the updated greeting for new editors. It looks great.

Thanks for using a few of my tips regarding the color scheme. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:05, 29 December 2017 (EST)

:You're welcome, and thanks for the suggestions! It's still not perfect, but it seems pretty good to me. I'd also like to automate the entire thing, so it auto-fills username, signature, etc. but so far haven't been able to do it quite right. At least it works manually though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (EST)

== comment about my account ==

Although I have done most of my work on one particular page, that is because I only recently updated my account.

If you will check my user history, I recently updated the article for Atlanta Hawks (providing a brief history of the team's origins and many relocations) and also for the Atlanta article (updating a very old article to reflect a change in sports team status since the Atlanta Thrashers have relocated to Winnipeg, and to also mention a prior NHL franchise in Atlanta which also moved).

My plan is to ultimately moved articles that I have written on your competitor's website (one of which was flagged for "notability" solely because it involved a derivative work of a Christian novel whereas other similar articles were not, clearly showing their liberal bias) to this one (your guidelines say that I can do so if the work is mine). The article I wrote here is one, about a novel by one of the more prolific Christian fiction writers, that would be likely deleted there because of their anti-Christian bias.

[[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:13, 8 January 2018 (EST)

:I have responded to you on this page: [[Talk:The Chance (Karen Kingsbury book)]]. In short, I made a mistake (two actually) and you are more than welcome to publish this material here. For some reason I don't quite understand, we don't really used "AFD" pages anymore even though our templates link to them, so I also linked to that AFD page from the talk page. I apologize for this mix-up--let me know if there anything helpful I can do for a change. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (EST)

== Image copyright (2) ==

Hello David, would you please check and see whether it is OK to upload these two photos? The licensing for these two is a bit confusing: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitlermusso2_edit.jpg][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Benito_Mussolini_Roman_Salute.jpg] If it happens that it's OK to upload them, would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 15 January 2018 (EST)

:Familiar with seeing one or maybe tow license templates, I was chuckling by the end of the first image's page, having seen 5 of them, along with two others. What a mess! As best I can tell, they really don't know. I think one of their many templates summed it up best "This image may not have the proper copyright or licensing information, or there is a conflict of license." I can't say what they are licensed as, so I wouldn't try anything but "Fair use." You might be able to get away with "Fair Use," but since I can't even figure out where these came from, I wouldn't try. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:37, 16 January 2018 (EST)

::Honestly, I really want to upload these photos, so if there's any way to upload them, I will take that way. However, I'm short on time, so I won't deal with that for now. Maybe I'll ask Andy later.

::BTW, would you please upload these two images: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WWII,_Europe,_Germany,_%22Nazi_Hierarchy,_Hitler,_Goering,_Goebbels,_Hess%22,_The_Desperate_Years_p143_-_NARA_-_196509.jpg][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H12148,_N%C3%BCrnberg,_Reichsparteitag.jpg] The first one wouldn't upload because it said that I did not add an image though I did. Maybe it will work with you? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:46, 16 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to those images, please move [[:Category:Homosexual activists]] in order to capitalize the "a". Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 17 January 2018 (EST)

::::I just tried all the basic upload tricks, and nothing worked. I'm not just talking about these images either--I simply can't upload anything. It looks like a bug to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:36, 17 January 2018 (EST)

:::Sorry to keep piling on requests -- I know you're probably as busy as me -- but posting them here at least help me to remember them so I can focus on content in the little time I have. I am very tempted to delete this newly-created article, as this person does not appear to be notable (only a singer from Puerto Rico, does not even have his own Wikipedia page). I would appreciate your input. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:13, 18 January 2018 (EST)

::::No apology needed! I've moved the category, as requested.
::::"Darell" is clearly a page needing attention. You can see the style issues, and the name should obviously be changes also. Those issues aside, I don't know anything about him, and can find only a little information about him elsewhere online. It doesn't seem to be a made-up topic, but almost everything about him is written in Spanish, so I can't verify accuracy. Since we don't have a specific "notability" policy, and this page does seem to be composed of original content, I probably would just improve it and leave it be. However, it could be that this is a promotion attempt, in which case it warrants deletion. I just don't know for sure, so I am hesitant to wipe it out. Please see the note on this topic in my e-mail, also. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 18 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Also, thanks for cleaning up that redirect I forgot about! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[Lazarus (Parable)]] to [[Lazarus and the Rich Man]], as it is a better title. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2018 (EST)

:Moved as requested. I'm indecisive as to whether leaving the redirect would be beneficial or not, so since in doubt, I left it. You can delete that if you want, it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:07, 21 January 2018 (EST)
::I think keeping the redirect is fine. BTW, would you please take care of [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TerryH&diff=1400544&oldid=1391663 this], unless someone else does it first? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:50, 25 January 2018 (EST)
:::Also, what do you think of Grace's edits in the [[Homophobia]] article? Do you think it's good, or is the intro section too short now? I would appreciate a second opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (EST)

::::I am not especially comfortable doing the merge since I know nothing about the gentleman, but if no one else does, I suppose I can try to merge them. I think the homophobia intro was much better, but needed to actually specify the intended meaning of the term. I've added a sentence explaining this, and I think it's probably fine now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:19, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Should we move the article [[Christmas and Easter Catholic]] to "Christmas and Easter Christian", or should we create a new article with that title? I would imagine that the two terms are independently notable, but I could be wrong (and the editor who brought it up was not pleased at my response). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:35, 31 January 2018 (EST)

:I don't know Catholicism very well, but these do seem similar to me. I just don't know if under their works-based salvation, there is some special obligation or rule that does not apply to Protestantism. Either way, whether a "mass" or a "service," this does seem to be a similar issue though. As for the name(s), I'm inclined to think that if there is a significant difference, this naming scheme is fine. However, it is a little odd to have one page an not the other. If we are only going to gave one, perhaps a more generic name would be appropriate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
::OK. If you think it's best that we move the article, please do so since I can't do it myself. Otherwise, we can create a new article. Either way -- it was Quidam65 who brought it up. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:09, 31 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to the email I sent you a few days ago, would you please look over the article [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]] (title, layout)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:49, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I'm no expert--if you think separating the pages them is better, that's fine with me. You probably have a better idea than I do. Anyway, I've posted on the talk page to see if anyone else has anything to say, first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I will review that page, and look back at my e-mails. I must have missed it, because I wasn't aware of anything outstanding. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Regarding [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]], the title is cumbersome, but I have no better suggestions. I did revise the section titles, and reworded a couple things. Additionally, the intro is a little shorter than I would like, while the following section is the opposite. Other than that, the only issue I noticed was that there are spaces before the references. I didn't bother fix them, though--my bot will fix those on its next sweep. Also, I found your e-mail and will be in touch. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:06, 1 February 2018 (EST)

== More requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move these categories to fix their cases: [[:Category:Victims of homo-fascism]], [[:Category:Economic history]]. Also, I reminded Andy to unlock the images you requested. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:19, 3 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check [[:File:Miklós Horthy.jpg]]? On [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg the original file], it states that "you must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." Would you please make sure the file I uploaded meets that requirement? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:22, 4 February 2018 (EST)

::Andy unlocked the files required for me to do the first requests, so I will be completing those soon. As for this image, I think what you have done will keep us all out of trouble. However, a couple minor things: 
::Images in the public domain can be used any way we want, without attribution--they are public property. However, as a courtesy to our sources, and to demonstrate to others that we have the legal rights to use them, it is CP (and WP) policy to explain briefly. What you have entered is a good explanation, but I would say that the author is the U.S. Federal Government, not Cserlajos. If you want to give that person credit, you could note that Cserlajos digitized the photo, though. Lastly, we have [[Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style/Images|a list]] of templates for images which state the applicable licenses. You are not obligated to use these (very few editors here do) but they are available if you want to make things a little fancier. In this case, I would probably add the following to the top of the image page. This is entirely your choice, though. 
::<code><nowiki>{{USGovt tag</nowiki></code> 
::<code><nowiki>|source=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg}}</nowiki></code>
::I hope this helps--let me know if anything is unclear! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:14, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::I did what you recommended. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:19, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::Looks good to me! I actually am waiting on one more unlock before I can do that last move (there is cascading protection locking it) so I will finish that later. Also, thanks for reminding Andy about the older unlock requests of mine! I'd lost track of them as well, so it might have been awhile before I remembered them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:27, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::::Done! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:20, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Would you please take a look at the article [[Homosexual Fascists]]? As I pointed out on the article talk page, the article throws the term "fascist" around too freely, and it labels (to the point of slander) people like Jorg Haider "fascists" (though Haider supported a more limited federal Austrian government). Is there anything to do about this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check the page [[Arius Raposas]]? Is it genuine or appropriate to keep? The account that created it is called "Athanasius", so it's odd that they created an article about an "Arius", but about someone totally unrelated to the fourth-century heretic. Checking that page is also relevant to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Historian&curid=126238&diff=1403171&oldid=1278122 this edit].
:Also, what do you think about User:Cantante's pages? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:02, 7 February 2018 (EST)

::I'm not a historian, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of [[Homosexual Fascists]]. I do hope that communism and fascism were not confused with each other, since they ultimately manifest themselves in similar ways. I am also a little concerned about the use of a Huffington Post article as a positive reference. I wish I could help more, but I really don't know much in this area. It certainly is a favorite thing as of late for liberals to throw around the term in psychological projection.
::[[Arius Raposas]] looks like an advertising attempt. CP already shows as #1 result on several search engines for him, because the other results are apparently less reputable. You can see some more info about him on his LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arius-raposas where you can also see that he only had 59 connections. I say deleted it.
::Regarding [[User:Cantante]], I can't tell if these are good faith edits or not. It might be that s/he is writing about their favorite amateur rappers, or it could be that this is a promotion attempt. Either way, I doubt these pages are going to be of much value to CP. I just don't want to wipe them out if this is a good faith editor. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:36, 7 February 2018 (EST)

:::For the Arius Raposas article, I would say definite delete (though I won't do it until you're confident it should be deleted). At the very least, User:Cantante's articles should be trimmed and improved, though I wouldn't mind deleting them (if he complains, we can restore them). Again, I don't want to do this without you agreeing.
:::For the homosexual fascist article, '''at least''' the title should be changed. I wrote CP's article on Haider a while back, and he's not a fascist (and whether he was even a homosexual is in dispute -- he had a wife). It is true, though, that the Left hated him while he was alive. The article could be used to show left-wing hypocrisy on this matter, by showing that homosexuality was widespread even among people they didn't like (or something like that), but in its current form, it reads like a socially-conservative John McCain (though that sounds like an oxymoron) wrote the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 7 February 2018 (EST)
:::Sorry to keep posting stuff here, but in addition to the email I sent you, I would appreciate it if you would check the article [[Covenant Christian Coalition]] to see if it is plagiarized from Wikipedia or another website (it was created by yet another newly-registered editor). I recommend deleting the Arius article and asking Cantante about the other two articles, with the intention to delete or trim/improve them if he doesn't respond. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:28, 8 February 2018 (EST)

::::You don't need to apologize, though I might need too--I'm not having enough time right now to deal with each issue promptly.
::::1. Arius Raposas: I'm not convinced it should be kept, but I'm waiting to hear back from him now. My own ignorance of these foreign websites might be the problem, but when I do a web search and find only CP and a bunch of social media accounts, I am not filled with confidence. It sounds more like someone trying to build an online presence than someone notable enough to have others research them.
::::2. Homosexual fascist: I will differ to your judgment on this then. It sounds like you know some more about at least Haider, while I really know nothing at all on the subject. I trust you know what you are talking about! :)
::::3. [[Covenant Christian Coalition]]: This looks like an expanded version of [https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Covenant_Christian_Coalition.html] this page. I've asked on the talk page about original authorship.
::::4. I will reply to your email soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Is it time to move [[Greatest conservative corporations]] and make it an essay? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:11, 14 February 2018 (EST)
:Probably. It seems no one else is particularly invested in that page anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::Would you then please move it now? I agree that we should keep the redirect. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. For some reason, I was thinking you were going to do it. I've moved it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:21, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::::I would if I could, but I don't have move rights, as you probably remember. Thanks anyway! I will reply to your latest email soon, when I get time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:44, 14 February 2018 (EST)

== Categories ==

Hello DavidB4, it seems that [[:Category:Unions]] and [[:Category:Labor Unions]] are duplicate categories. Is then OK if you merge them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2018 (EST)
:I also just found that we have duplicate articles [[Right to work]] and [[Right-to-work laws]].
:Also, [[Edwin R. Thiele]] and [[Edwin Thiele]] have not been merged yet. I would appreciate it if you would at least help do this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::The first two are done--good suggestions, thanks! The last one I suppose will attempt, but I know nothing about the man, so I'm afraid I will not do the article justice. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks. Maybe another editor is able and willing to do it. Would you please move the article [[Hilary Belloc]] per AlanE's edit summary comment in the article history? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:02, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::::Thanks for moving it. Would you please move the article [[The Forgotten Depression of 1920]] to [[Forgotten Depression of 1920]]? Also, [[Anti-Saloon league]] and [[Anti-Saloon League]] are (almost) duplicate articles which should be combined. The former link should redirect to the latter. Would you please do this? Also, while most of what I wrote in my latest email to you were just statements, I did ask you one question. I would appreciate it if you would reply even though it's not too important. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:02, 18 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Thanks for pointing out the Hilary Belloc issue--I was oblivious to the problem. I've also moved the 1920 page leaving the redirect, and replied to your email. I will work on merging this and perhaps the other article as time permits. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you, I will! [[User:Willow Smith|Willow Smith]] ([[User talk:Willow Smith|talk]]) 11:42, 21 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Conspiricy No. 5" ==

The actual name of the Third Day album is "Conspiracy No. 5". The original author simply misspelled it. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:13, 23 February 2018 (EST)

:Good catch! I've fixed it, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (EST)

== Request to merge pages ==

There are two pages with virtually identical headings and all with the same text (likely someone didn't know how to do a redirect page).

The pages are "Committee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist" and "Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Nyquist".

Request that one be made the main page and the other a redirect, to make Conservapedia better for all. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 14:25, 24 February 2018 (EST)

PS--Thanks for the fix on Conspiracy No. 5.

:Another good observation. I've redirected the latter to the former. Thanks for pointing this out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:02, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Castings Crowns(album)" ==

Again, another inadvertent misspelling (and grammatical error) by a well-meaning Conservapedian. The correct title is "Casting Crowns (album)". [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 21:20, 27 February 2018 (EST)

:Thank you! I've fixed it, though there is no redirect so the old name will not work anymore. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:14, 27 February 2018 (EST)

== Response to inquiry on redirect pages ==

In response to your inquiry, most of those "articles" are barely one sentence. That may be suitable for a dictionary but not for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, most of those "articles" did little more than discuss a subcomponent of the larger topic, such as your concerns about the various "bankruptcy" titled ones.

What I did, which I believe makes Conservapedia a much better site, is to consolidate all those smaller articles into one, more comprehensive one, which contains all pertinent information related to a topic. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:12, 2 March 2018 (EST)

:That makes sense I suppose, and we do discourage "stub" articles. However, it is also generally frowned upon to replace articles with redirects. This should be done with caution, if at all, and all material must be saved. I will look more into it, but please do be careful about this. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:57, 5 March 2018 (EST)

== Yet another merger candidate ==

There are two similarly named articles. One is titled "Internet Crime" (note the capitalization) and contains a significant amount of information. The other is titled "Internet crime" and has virtually nothing in it (the history only shows two changes, one to create it in 2009 and the other to lock it almost immediately thereafter). My suggestion is to unlock the empty article (which you admins can do) and turn it into a redirect page. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

:What I'm seeing is a redirect under the name [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crime&redirect=no Internet crime] which points to [[Internet Crime]]. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crimes&redirect=no Internet crimes] is an identical redirect, also. Am I missing something? I don't see a protect page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

::Here's another category that could be merged: [[:Category:Supreme Court]] and [[:Category:United States Supreme Court]]. We could make the first category a parent category of the second one, since we have the general article [[Supreme Court]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:38, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Yes, that's another good one suggestion. Probably we should make [[:Category:Supreme Court]] the parent, then sort out the entries inside of it to be accurate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:23, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

== The Internet crime mystery--solved (?) ==

OK I figured out what is happening. It is a category titled "Internet crime" which is locked and has no pages showing it as a category. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 10:16, 10 March 2018 (EST)

== Thanks for the server update ==

It is greatly appreciated. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 18:04, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

==Hacker keeps removing [[Andy Clay Harris]]==
I have returned it three times to the board. The hacker uses the name MatthewLClark.
Please block him. This is the text he keeps removing:
''<nowiki>
{{Infobox person
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| birth_date=September 1, 1961
| birth_place=Resident of 
[[Bossier City]], [[Louisiana]]
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| party=[[Republican Party|Republican]]
| religion=Assembly of God [[clergy]]man
| spouse=Sheryl Lynn Harris 
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'''Andy Clay Harris''' (born September 1, 1961)<ref name=mylife.com>{{cite web|url=https://www.mylife.com/andrew-harris/harris3768r|title=Andy Harris (Clay)|publisher=Mylife.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> is an Assemblies of God pastor from [[Bossier City]] in northwestern [[Louisiana]], whose former congregation, The Church of the Cross, erected in 2009 a 199-foot [[Christian]] cross on the grounds of its sanctuary in Haughton. The silver cross is seen from various points about U.S. Highway 80.

The son of a Bossier City builder-father and teacher-mother, Harris graduated from Bossier High School in 1979. He studied at the Southwestern Assemblies of God University<ref name=intelius>{{cite web|url=https://www.intelius.com/people-search/Andy-C-Harris/Bossier%20city-LA|title=Andy Harris: Bossier City, LA|publisher=Intelius.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> in Waxahachie, [[Texas]], the alma mater of the famous pastor [[John C. Hagee]] of [[San Antonio]], Texas. For a time, he was on the staff of ''The Gurdon Times'' in Arkadelphia, [[Arkansas]]. He also lived for a time, dates unavailable but prior to 1996, in [[Carson City]], [[Nevada]]; Miami, [[Oklahoma]], and Sarepta in Webster Parish, Louisiana.<ref name=intelius/> Harris completed an internship at his home congregation, the Broadmoor Assembly of God in [[Shreveport]] and was ordained into the ministry in 1985.<ref name=arrest>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/crime/2018/03/09/benton-man-arrested-possession-meth/410682002/|title=Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|author=Nick Wooten|date=March 9, 2018|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref>

On March 7, 2018, Harris was arrested at his home for possession of [[methamphetamine]]s and drug paraphernalia and booked in the Bossier Maximum Security Facility, at which he posted a $5,000 bail. He accepted the pastorate of The Church of the Cross in 1996 and resigned after more than twenty-one years amid the arrest.<ref name=arrest/> He reportedly earned between $100,000 and $150,000.<ref name=mylife.com/> Police said that Harris was questioned on another unrelated, undisclosed matter when Harris revealed the drugs he had. Police found 3.5 grams of meth, a smoking device, and a snorting straw.<ref name=arrest/>

A [[Republican Party|Republican]],<ref name=mylife.com/> Harris was pictured in ''The Shreveport Times'' with current state Senator [[Ryan Gatti]] of Bossier City and Louisiana Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser.<ref name=arrest/>

On the Sunday after his resignation as pastor, a letter from Harris was read to the congregation. He described his time at The Church of the Cross as one of "faith and victory" and long-term friendships with members who were "[[Salvation|saved]], healed, and filled by the [[Holy Spirit]]. We have loved and felt love by you all."<ref name=pastor>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2018/03/12/arrested-pastor-former-congregation-forgive-me/416277002/
|title=Arrested pastor to former congregation: forgive me|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|date=March 12, 2018|author=Nick Wooten|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> Harris described his recent years in the ministry as like being in "a pressure cooker" with betrayals, sickness, and family issues. Harris continued, "A few months ago in a time of weakness I attempted to ease the pain in the way. I have [[sin]]ned, and I have [[God|the Lord]] to forgive me. I have asked my family to forgive me. And I am asking you all -- all of you-- to forgive me. ... Pray all the good the Lord has done through us will outshine the bad [[Satan|the devil]] has done to us."<ref name=pastor/>

Doyle Dempsey, the secretary-treasurer of The Church of the Cross, described his broken heartedness, "Although we do not condone his behavior in this matter, we are all eternally grateful to Pastor Harris for his years of dedicated service to this church body. ... We are all just mortal men. One decision away from sudden destruction."<ref name=pastor/>

In the wake of Harris' departure, the pastoral staff will rotate the ministerial duties pending the call of a new pastor.<ref name=pastor/>
</nowiki>''

David, someone else appears to have corrected the problem and identified the hacker. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:30, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

:I'm glad it was taken care if quickly! That actually wasn't even hacking. They just created a user account and deleted the page contents. Do feel free to let me know if this happens again, but don't worry--it's easy to fix. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:22, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

== Great work on block and reverts ==
Thanks for the quick work on blocking and reverting the vandal!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:56, 17 March 2018 (EDT)
:Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:25, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

== Need to update article title ==

The article title for Wally Amos Criswell needs to be changed.

First, the proper spelling of his first name was Wallie. Second, he was always better known by his initials, W.A. Therefore, I suggest that the title be changed to W.A. Criswell. [[User:Bcarlin|Bcarlin]] ([[User talk:Bcarlin|talk]]) 23:05, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

:Thank you, Quidam65, but Conservapedia forbids the use of "sock puppet" accounts. Please sort out your issues with the administration, rather than just trying to around them. I have fixed this issue you mentioned. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:32, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

::Would you please move the article [[Sebastian Pinera]] to [[Sebastián Piñera]], since this title has the proper punctuation? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:19, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Done. I'm leaving the redirect, since most people don't have "á" and "ñ" on their keyboards. Good idea! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

== Thanks for your help ==

Thank you for your help, DavidB4! Also, I apologize: I accidentally added two posts that were nearly identical to the Aschlafly "talk" page. Sorry for the mistake! {{unsigned|Questions}}
:You're welcome! [[User:1990'sguy]] already fixed the issue, so you should be all set. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:04, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

== Few Things ==

Hey, I have a few questions... First, how does one become a sysop or "get promoted"?... I am also on the site that shall not be named, and becoming a sysop there was relatively easy.
Also, I want to add images to my articles, @1990's guy gave me a link to make a request, but it didn't work and also, I am wondering if there is an easier way? I think that Conservapedia suffers greatly from the lack of illustrations. Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 00:53, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! Regarding your first question, there is no published criteria for promotion. Rather, editors who have shown themselves reliable and well-meaning are occasionally promoted, as they are decided to have earned the privilege. As overall membership grows and changes, these "Assistant Sysops" may be promoted to full administrators. However, this is rare, and has not happened to anyone in the 2.5 years I have been here. It is quite rare.
:As for image uploads, the standard was for you to do this is to post your requests on [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests|this page]] (provide the link to the wanted images). If you stay with us for a while and prove yourself, you may eventually receive the privilege to do it yourself. However, users do not start out with this ability, since some users may upload images which are either protected by license, or inappropriate. Considering the amount of vandalism we see at times, this seems to be the reasonable option to me, although I know it can be annoying. I spent a while requesting uploads before I was granted the ability to upload directly.
:In short, these "lower" promotions do often come to editors who prove themselves, but it takes time and effort. Higher promotions (such as to the administrator level) are quite rare, even when there are candidates who could quality. At least most of us, if not all, are here to improve the CP, rather than to play the internal political system to earn promotion and status. Understand that to be promoted to full Administrator is rare, and very unlikely for someone who has recently joined. At any level, promotions can be considered a privilege, but not a right.
:If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 04:19, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

::Hey, for one, how do I determine if an image is free of copyright or not? Can I use Google Images? 2)How do I recommend it on that article? Do I simply copy paste a link to the image? Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 14:26, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:::You need to look for images which are in the [[public domain]] or under a [[Creative Commons]] license. Here are some places I like to look for good, usable images:
:::*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr.com]
:::*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons]
:::*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:::*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
:::*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]

:::If there are none available which fit these requirements, then we can only try to use them under "[[fair use]]." If you use Google or some other such search engine, you must go to the actual website and find their licensing agreements, to ensure that they do not expressly prohibit retransmission and republishing. "Fair use" is a last resort, and we try to avoid using this claim as much as possible, since it is difficult to legally define.
:::You copy and paste the link to the file you want onto the [[CP:IUR]] page, and sign at the end of the request. Typically, it is then reviewed and uploaded, and the uploader responds to the request with the file name on CP. The requesting user then goes and adds the image(s) to the page(s) they intended. You do not need to state what page the image is intended for in the upload request, though it doesn't hurt to do so, especially if we are going to be using it under "fair use." --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:13, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Hey David, I posted the new requests... Please, get to them as soon as you can, I tried my best to make them clear... If you need help understanding what I meant (unlikely), let me know. Thanks! --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:21, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:You request was perfectly clear. In case you haven't already noticed, I uploaded and added them. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:34, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== Micro evolution ==

Micro evolution is the change BELOW the species level, macro evolution is the one above... Both have been observed. Micro evolution WILL ALWAYS lead to macro evolution GIVEN SUFFICENT TIME...

Here... This guy puts it simply... Watch these 2 videos. They are VERY entertaining, you will NOT be bored. He puts it simply. This will explain it in SIMPLE terms... Watch video number one AND THEN number 2... You will definitely change your POV a little at least...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnygS7opCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ilMYc5xdQ

--[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:11, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

:The arguments are not new. Here is a short article explaining the difference: http://www.icr.org/article/what-difference-between-macroevolution-microevolut/
:Now we get to things like:
:*Why are there really no confirmed transitional species? Why do scientists keep inventing them rather than finding them?
:*Why are we not burred up to our elbows in fossils from transition species?
:*Why is it that any significant evolution in the modern day is harmful? Just look at the miracle of the four-winged fruit fly, which has no muscles attached, so they greatly impede flight. On top of this, all other fruit flies refuse to mate with them, due to the mutation.
:*Does similarity really show common ancestry, or rather common designer?
:*Why did Darwin himself declare that his entire theory should be considered null and void if the cell was ever found to be anything more than an inert building block? (of course, he knew nothing about DNA, either)
:*Why do human genes most closely match those of a worm, not an ape?
:*Why do apes have more chromosomes that humans, rather than less, as the supposed progression would suggest?
:*Why is it that since the Cambrian explosion, there have been found no new ''species'' in the fossil record?
:*Why is it that the Cambrian explosion even occurred? There is nothing gradual about that...it's just *poof* all life appears on a formerly dead planet. The only evidence of life below the Cambrian layer are a few sponge embryos, which probably got there through contamination.
:*Are humans actually devolving?
:**Humans used to live much longer than they do now. For example, Neanderthals lived so long that their jaw and foreheads (which never stop growing) grew so much as to change their appearance
:**Human teeth used to heal, but no longer do
:**Some say that human brain cavities are actually shrinking, though I have not researched this to verify the claim
:**While medical science has improved our understanding of biology, things such as allergies seem to be much ore common in recent years. Are our immune systems forgetting how to tell friend from foe?
:*How is it that a team of monkeys with a typewriter are more likely to write out the entire library of congress in chronological order by accident, than a DNA strand is to accidentally form?

:The argument is always time. They count on there being at least some shadow of a doubt about how it is just slightly possible that given a few hundred millennia, xyz might happen. Now they can't even pretend the earth is old enough to prop up this ridiculous theory, so now they are hoping to find or invent some kind of "proof" that life started on another planet, preferably so far from earth that we have no way to study it.

:And by the way, I'm not a fan of "youtubers" who use poor video editing, interruptions, and all manner of other childish methods. There is nothing intellectual or scientific about the likes of these.

:There are so many things wrong with the theory of macroevolution, that I don't even know where to start. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:29, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Hello David, these two categories should probably be merged: [[:Category:DC]], [[:Category:Washington, DC]].

Also, these categories either should be moved (so they're capitalized) or deleted: [[:Category:Movies about Fathers and Sons]], [[:Category:Movies about fathers and daughters]], [[:Category:Movies about high school]], [[:Category:Movies about joining a clique]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:58, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

:I agree, and merged the two categories. The "DC" one is currently a redirect, though we could just delete that. Some of these other categories seem a little odd, such as "Movies about joining a clique" which only has two pages. However, there's no harm in keeping it I suppose. I'll move those soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:53, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
::Thanks! Would you please also take care of BHathorn's request [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Contact_Us&curid=45451&diff=1418798&oldid=1409729 here] to move the article [[Leroy Shafer]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:43, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Done, thanks for pointing it out! Thanks also for the deletions. I was planning to delete DC2 after a few days, but leave it a little while so as not to confuse Andy if he revisits it to restore protection. No matter, it needed to be deleted eventually anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:21, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

I've been busy letting you know about categories with improper capitalization, but I created (and didn't notice) the [[:Category:Donald Trump achievements]] category, which also needs the "A" capitalized. Would you please fix that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 11 May 2018 (EDT)
:Also, would you please move [[Iranian nuke deal]] to "Iran nuclear deal" (for which a redirect already exists)? The latter is a more common term and the former's wording is a bit awkward, I think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:07, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

::Done! It is sometimes surprising how easy it is to make a mistake that you are generally fixing after others make it... --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Thanks, and that's true. One thing: your bot made several unhelpful changes when it fixed the category, mainly by removing necessary "<nowiki> </nowiki>" tags and changing the "main article" template at the top to a format that doesn't suit the article. I reverted all those changes while keeping the constructive ones. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:40, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

::::I was just looking at your reversions. Sorry about that! I had a minor problem with the bot, and needed to revert to an earlier version of it. Unfortunately, I forgot to update the edit rules (and some code), so it did everything the original regex engine creator intended. I'll try to avoid that in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:43, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::::That's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:45, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move these two categories to fix their capitalization: [[:Category:English activists]], [[:Category:Counter-jihad activists]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:10, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:Would you also please move [[:Category:Self-defense]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:31, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

::Will do, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:07, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Finally done. Sorry for the wait! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks, and that's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:02, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the [[United Nations human rights council]] page over the rightly-capitalized [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council&redirect=no redirect]? Also, the page [[Human Rights Commission]] should be moved to [[United Nations Human Rights Commission]] (and also, the latter organization ceased to exist upon the council's creation, though the CP article doesn't show that). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:04, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

:I think those should be all set. The [[United Nations human rights council]] redirect could be deleted, but there are currently pages linking to that name, so corrections will be needed. I can do that later (if I'm not to scatter-brained to remember) or you can. Let me know if there's anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
::I think I fixed the rest of these issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:11, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

== Move request for California nebula ==

Could you move [[California nebula]] to [[Barnard's loop]]? I messed up and wrote it on the wrong page. [[User:FredericBernard|FredericBernard]] ([[User talk:FredericBernard|talk]]) 13:13, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

:Of course! I've moved the page, and removed the redirect since this was a mistake. (If you want a redirect, feel free to add one, though.) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:40, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

::Please move this page to an essay and delete the redirect (along with any other formatting/categories/etc.): [[The evil of the school system]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:53, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Done: [[Essay:The evil of the school system]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:21, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks! Would you also please check the essay for plagiarism (just to be safe)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:55, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::::I was going to say that it's a good idea regardless (one I should have thought of), but I actually found something. It appears that the essay is an expansion on this article: https://politicalfestdotblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/17/school-kids-are-usually-unhealthy/
:::::However, that is very much an unfinished site, so it may well have been created by the same person who posted this essay here. This text does not seem to exist on any other indexed pages on the Internet right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:43, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
::::::Oh, and the screen names posting the text on CP and the wordpress site are the same. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:03, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the article [[By-election]] to [[Special election]], which is the American term for the same concept? Also, would you please move [[:Category:List of Law Enforcement Agencies]] to [[:Category:Law Enforcement Agencies]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:51, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:In addition to the above, I would appreciate it if you would move the articles [[New Orleans Hornets]] and [[Charlotte Bobcats]] per the recent edits on it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:59, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

::I've done all but the category. I will do that one later, when I get the chance to set up the bot. I recommend leaving all of the redirect in place (except for the upcoming category one), but it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I agree -- leaving all the redirects is the best (and only reasonable) decision. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
::::Please also move the page [[Massresistence]] to [[MassResistance]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::Done, redirect left in place. Sorry for the wait, I have not been feeling well. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:36, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
::::::You're welcome, and I hope you're feeling better. However, the link above I suggested is still red. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:39, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, not so much I'm afraid. Perhaps I can blame that for this blunder?? ;)
:::::::It should be right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:53, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Would it be OK if you move [[Leftwing violence in the Trump era]] to [[Left-wing violence in the Trump era]], and fix the double redirects that will result from this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:35, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:It's probably fine. Maybe I should have posed a proposal first, but I just did it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:39, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

::Would you also please move [[:Category:Complex analysis]] to capitalize the "a" and delete the resulting redirect? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

:::Of course! Will do, but it might take a little while. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:06, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

::::In addition to the above, would you please move the [[Open ended questions]] article to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Open-ended_question&redirect=no Open-ended question] (now a redirect)? Pinley tried doing it manually, though we should move pages the correct way. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:08, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:::::Done. I'm working on transferring my bot to a new system, which is why I'm taking so long on the category moves. I will do it eventually, but I prefer to use the bot to do the hard work. Apologies for the wait on those! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:12, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Hi! A few things... I was wondering if you could move [[Primary sex characteristics]] to [[Primary sex characteristic]], since [[Secondary sex characteristic]] is singular. Additionally, [[Chartist movement]] should be merged with [[Chartism]]. Thanks! --[[User:Pinely|Pinely]] ([[User talk:Pinely|TALK]]) 23:45, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! I have moved that page as requested. I can do the merge later, but not right now. Thanks for the suggestions! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

==Re: Photo for Gandalf==
Hello, DavidB4: thanks for your informative messages on my talk page. I don't think that we'll be able to find a free alternative to New Line Cinema's copyrighted material, so could you upload an image under a rationale such as this?: '''This image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the film and does not limit New Line Cinema's ability to sell or show the film.''' In answer to your question, by the way, yes, I think I'd prefer a photo that's not quite so tight. ;)
—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 20:11, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

:You are very welcome!
:We may be able to use one under the fair use clause. Have you found a good image which is under copyright? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:19, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
::How about the first one in this gallery from Imgur?: [https://imgur.com/gallery/HIf1F]. —[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 11:58, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

:::Uploaded: [[:File:Gandalf.jpg]]
:::We like to limit the number of copyrighted images we use, but since there really was no alternative, this one is probably alright to use. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:44, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
::::Thank you so much! :)
::::—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 18:14, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

== Photos that can be uploaded to the Conservapedia ==

Hi, I found some photos in the Wikimedia Commons. These are useful photos that related to Islam and Islamists, we can use them in articles. We don't have to use all of these photos in various articles, but uploading all of the photos on the site will be good for archiving. Nevertheless, a few of them will definitely be used:
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2012_Sydney_protest.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Islamic_Protest_in_Hyde_Park,_Sydney_01.JPG]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%22Freedom_go_to_hell%22.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_public_demonstration_demanding_Sharia_in_Britain.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_public_demonstration_calling_for_Sharia_Islamic_Law_in_Maldives_2014.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Street_protest_calling_for_Sharia_in_Maldives,_Democracy_failed_system_poster.jpg]
# [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_public_demonstration_in_Maldive,_calling_for_Sharia_2014.jpg] - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 03:26, 12 August 2018 (EDT)

:We generally don't upload image sunless we are sure we plan to use them. However, for these, I agree that it might be a good idea to make an exception. I'm starting through them.
:#[[:File:2012 Sydney protest.jpg]]
:#[[:File:Islamic Protest in Hyde Park, Sydney.JPG]]
:#[[:File:Freedom go to h.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:57, 13 August 2018 (EDT)
:#[[:File:A public demonstration demanding Sharia in Britain.jpg]]
:#[[:File:Protest calling for Sharia in Maldives 2014.jpg]]
:#[[:File:Street protest calling for Sharia in Maldives, Democracy failed system poster.jpg]]
:#[[:File:A public demonstration in Maldive, calling for Sharia 2014.jpg]]
:These were some good suggestions, and I expect they will be useful! Let me know if you need anything else! Also, if you find more images you want uploaded, you can ask me directly, or go to the designated page for image uploads, [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]] ([[CP:IUR]]) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:05, 13 August 2018 (EDT)

J.R.R. Tolkien

2018-08-09T17:08:19Z

Fëalórin:

[[Image:Jrrt 1972 pipe.jpg|right|thumb|J. R. R. Tolkien in 1972, in his study at Merton Street.]]

'''John Ronald Reuel Tolkien''' (3 January 1892 Bloemfontein, [[Orange Free State]] – 2 September 1973) was an English writer, [[philology|philologist]] and university professor, best known as the author of several influential [[fantasy]] books such as ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''. He also worked on translating the [[Bible]], particularly the [[Book of Jonah]] for the [[Jerusalem Bible]].

He had a lifelong interest in and love of language, and also created [[Tolkien's languages|several constructed languages]]. Tolkien also created the [[Middle-earth]] legendarium, a fantasy world with a detailed geography, history, and inhabited by Men, [[Elf (Middle-earth)|Elves]], [[Dwarves (Middle-earth)|Dwarves]], and [[Hobbit]]s.<ref>''The Hobbit'', first published by George Allen & Unwin Ltd. of London, on 21 September 1937.</ref>

Tolkien was a [[Roman Catholic]].<ref>Tolkien wrote to Deborah Webster, 25 Oct 1958: ''I am a Christian (which can be deduced from my stories), and in fact a Roman Catholic.'', ''[[The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien]]'', Letter 213</ref><ref>In an interview to [[Dennis Gerrolt]], broadcast in January 1971 on the BBC Radio 4 programme ''Now Read On ...'', Tolkien was asked if he was a theist, to which he replied ''I'm a Roman Catholic. Devout Roman Catholic.''</ref>

== Early life ==
Tolkien was born in [[Bloemfontein]], [[South Africa]], to British parents, Arthur Reuel Tolkien and the former Miss Mabel Suffield. At the age of three he returned to England with his mother and younger brother, Hilary Arthur Reuel. His father died in Africa before he could rejoin them. Tolkien spent his early childhood in Sarehole, a [[Worcestershire]] village, which later influenced him in the creation of the [[Shire (Middle-earth)|Shire]]. Now living in [[Birmingham]], Mabel Tolkien and her children were received into the [[Roman Catholic Church]] in 1900. This enraged staunch [[Protestant]]s on both sides of the family and Mabel Tolkien subsequently left without any financial support. She died in 1904 of [[diabetes]], leaving her sons in the care of Father Francis Morgan, a priest of the [[Oratorian Order]].

==Marriage and [[World War I]]==
Tolkien grew up in the industrialized Edgbaston district of Birmingham and attended King Edward's School. The polluted sprawl of Birmingham is believed to have influenced his creation of [[Mordor]]. In 1916 Tolkien married Edith Mary Bratt, with whom he had four children: John, Michael, Christopher (who served with the RAF in Africa during WWII), and Priscilla. In October of the same year he was sent to the Western Front to serve as a signals officer at the [[Battle of the Somme]]. After coming down with [[trench fever]], he was invalided home and spent the remainder of the war as an emaciated patient in various military hospitals. His [[affliction]] was almost certainly caused by the flea bites suffered in captured German trenches at Thiepval Ridge.

==Later life==
Tolkien became a professor of [[Old English language|Anglo-Saxon]] and English literature at the [[University of Oxford]] in 1925 and remained in the post until his retirement in 1959. After his death, the masses of his literary work he left behind were left in the care of his son Christopher Tolkien, who continues to organize and publish his father's writings.

==Friendships==
He and several other writers (among them [[C. S. Lewis]]) were members of a literary club called the [[Inklings]]. Tolkien and Lewis were very close friends, and Tolkien had a major role in Lewis's eventual conversion from [[Atheism]] to [[Christianity]], although he was somewhat disappointed when Lewis decided to be an [[Anglican]] instead of a Catholic.<ref>''Heroes of the Faith, C.S.Lewis'' by Sam Wellman, Barbour Publishing, Inc., 1997.</ref>

== Bibliography ==
*''[[The Hobbit]]'' (1937)
*''Leaf by Niggle'' (1945)
*''Farmer Giles of Ham'' (1949, a medieval fable)
*''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', in three volumes:
**''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' (1954)
**''[[The Two Towers]]'' (1955)
**''[[The Return of the King]]'' (1955)
*''Smith of Wootton Major'' (1967)
*''The Father Christmas Letters'' (1976)
*''[[The Silmarillion]]'' (1977)
*''Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth'' (1980)
*''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'' (1981)
*''Mr. Bliss'' (1982)
*''The Monsters and the Critics'' (1983, a collection of essays)
*''The History of Middle-earth'' (1983–1996 in twelve volumes)
*''Roverandom'' (1998)
*''The Children of Húrin'' (2007)
*''The History of The Hobbit'' (2007, in two volumes)

== See also ==
*[[Tolkien's languages and scripts]]
*[[:Category:Middle-earth]]

==References==
{{reflist|spaltenzahl}}

==External links==
* [https://librivox.org/author/1536 Works by J. R. R. Tolkien - text and free audio] - [[LibriVox]]

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User talk:DavidB4

2018-08-09T15:58:27Z

Fëalórin:

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== Question ==

What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

== move request / delete request ==

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)

::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Conservapedia IRC channel ==

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
:::::Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Image typo ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Merge cats? ==

Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])

Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

== Moving Pages ==

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway. I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]]. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Anti-Trump" article ==

Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
:Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Picture Upload Requests==

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423

Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg

:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).

== Question ==

Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion ==

Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

:Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Ref help and suggestion ==

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

==Regarding Ransomware==
I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
:2. Reinstalling Windows.
:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
:# Not going to work, as explained.
:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
:#Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).

:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.

:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system. [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.

:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

==Congressman John Fleming==

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== Editor ==

Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

== Protection ==

The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==

Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

== D.T. achievements article question ==

The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

::That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

::They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

== Bye ==

It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
:I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
::He appears to have been some type of parodist.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::Clearly I missed that. Thanks for trying anyway....
::I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
:Thank you for your kind words.
:::BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
: I need someone to get rid of the title [[Joseph Belloc]] so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
::Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== Cleaning up after the blocked users ==

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from [http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page this website]. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::::I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt|here]], including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.

:Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.

:I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below ==

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.

If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.

=== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable? ===

{{welcome}}

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes. I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
==== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ====

[[File:Plate of cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Conservative! I am [[User:This lousy T-shirt|This lousy T-shirt]] and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Knox490|your contributions]]. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], or feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:This lousy T-shirt|my talk page]] or type ''{{tl|helpme}}'' at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
* [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]]
* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
* [[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
* [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia].
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether. As time allows, I'll see what I can put together. Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I'll see what I can do. It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

:::::::I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work. Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea. I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow. Maybe I can find a good shade combo though. Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

== Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page. Here is the updated version ==

Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: [https://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+basket&rlz=1C1PRFG_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHyI_c0trUAhUH0oMKHeMQDy4Q_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510#tbm=isch&q=welcome+fruit+basket Google images - Welcome fruit baskets]. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at: https://pixabay.com/en/photos/?hp=&image_type=&cat=&min_width=&min_height=&q=fruit+basket&order=

Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/similar/350093981

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== Email ==

I sent you an email about a question I have. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you another one. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
::Replied --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

I sent you an email several days ago, but you haven't responded. Maybe you didn't intend to, or you're taking your time to respond, but I just want to be sure you got it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:56, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

:I read it some time ago, but it seems I forgot to respond... My apologies! I've sent you a reply now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

I replied to your email (twice), but I received an automated email saying that my response was unable to reach you, saying it was a "permanent error" and (though it's hard to understand) that someone's IP address was blocked as spam for some reason. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:I did receive them both, and have replied. My spam filter has been a little on the fritz lately. Having my address publicly posted has enabled web spiders to scrape it, and sell my address to spammers. I can always change my address if it gets too annoying, but it hasn't really been a problem due to spam filtering. It seem I'll need to look into this, though. It has been flagging some messages from Conservative as spam, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:31, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

== Image question ==

I was also looking to add an image to [[Rare (company)]], hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:Hi,
:That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission. While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights. If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright. If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it. However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it. You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side. If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable. For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking. Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that [http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/XboxComTOU these terms] (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
::Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them. Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft. In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== Gender ideology ==
Hi, you reverted my last contribution in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gender_ideology&diff=prev&oldid=1363294 here] that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --[[User:AK|AK]] ([[User talk:AK|talk]]) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:BTW, I restored the page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake. I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990'sguy for restoring it! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

== Move requests ==

I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: [[:Category:Globalist]] to [[:Category:Globalists]], and [[:Category:Nationalist]] to [[:Category:Nationalists]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
:Good suggestions--done. I can move the pages using my bot later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Hello David, would you please move these two categories: [[:Category:Media personalities]] to [[:Category:Media Personalities]], and [[:Category:High schools]] to [[:Category:High Schools]]? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

:Done. The images in [[:Category:Media personalities]] were protected so they could not be moved. All the rest are taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thank you for your assistance. Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed". Please look at: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_achievements:_Criminal_justice,_law_enforcement,_and_other_DOJ_matters&diff=1368054&oldid=1368043 this proposal.] Many thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
:I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== IP blocks ==

Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

:It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
:If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright. I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies. Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses. These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more. They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.

== Copied article ==

A lot of the article [[Steppenwolf]] appears to be copied from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steppenwolf_(band)&oldid=796579357 the Wikipedia version]. Should it be deleted? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the [[Talk:Steppenwolf|talk page]] awhile back. I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person. I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

== Delete article? ==

Should we delete this article: [[Julia Gasper]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized. I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your input ==

Is this a bad edit: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&curid=1989&diff=1374996&oldid=1262366]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
:I've been pondering the same question. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chivalry merriam-webster] doesn't really specify, although some other sites like [http://www.wordnik.com/words/chivalry wordnik] do. Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
:I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

What do you think about this article? [[Peregrin Chronicles]]? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

:I don't think I can be much help with this one either. I've never heard of the series before. It exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676468266/the-aliens-have-landed-the-peregrin-chronicles-com kickstarter] didn't get much support, either. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's another one: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_evangelism&curid=105140&diff=1375410&oldid=1271896] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User Abranch|TALK]]) Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)

:::That is exactly right--I'm glad to hear those are your beliefs! Admittedly, my experience with Campus Crusade is limited to contact with one local chapter. I've never gotten into the full organization, so it's possible that things were represented slightly differently to me than is typical. I also have been out of contact with them for a little while now. I will take a look at the page you revised at some point. Thanks for your contributions so far! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:24, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's an article that might need a page move: [[Homework]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Email spam? ==

Is my email address in your spam folder again? I sent you an email a few days ago and am curious at the lack of response (though it's not important anymore). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:16, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it seems your message got lost in the noise. I already have written some rules which should be allowing all messages from CP users, but for some reason it's not working quire right. My apologies! I've relied to your message, though as you said, it's a bit late now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

::Maybe it's the name I use for my email address, "1990" for the first name and "sguy" for the last name? I have had some minor problems with my CP/WP/etc. email address before. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

:::Yeah, I think that's it. A lot of "marketing" (spam) corporations like to use algorithmically generated names, containing numbers and other gibberish. I think a batch of rules I set up early-on (before I knew better) flagged addresses starting with numbers for that reason. I think I've cleared out the offending rules. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your welcome message ==

On the user talk page [[User talk:NeilG]], someone put your newly designed welcome/template message.

Please change the color of the blue background. The dark blue combined with the black text is not the easiest to read. There is not enough contrast between those colors.

As far as a color I suggest using some shade of yellow or possibly a creamy yellow color such as [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/66/18/3e6618ad619db4d45c168d4c8dd04ea4--dutch-boy-paint-colors-paint-colours.jpg THIS COLOR] or a light parchment color such as [http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Acrylic/DecoArt/Americana/Light-Parchment/Light-Parchment.gif THIS COLOR].

In short, the black type should be on a lighter background. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

:Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't made any changes yet, but I just want to let you know I am playing with it. I was trying to stick with the red-white-blue theme, as requested by others, but I'll try deviating from that theme. I though the background was light enough for the black text, but even if it is, the blue links don't work on blue. I suppose I could do a dark background and light text, too. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear. If I cant't find something I like, I'll at least make an edit to improve it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:35, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::Is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Greeting&oldid=1379860 this] more like what you were thinking of? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:14, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

== Image copyright ==

Considering the "Personality rights warning" tag, is there any problem in uploading this image? [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_portrait_of_Mr_Jacob_Rees-Mogg.jpg] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:39, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
:Also, in addition to the Corporate tyranny article (if you are still planning on it), would you please add that box-format code to the list of corporate supporters in the [[Southern Poverty Law Center]] and [[Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights]] articles? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

::It sounds to me like we can use that image. They seem to just be saying that although the images is CC licensed, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg still has legal claim on his likeness. This is nothing new, since every photograph of a person is like this. It should be fine to go for it.
::I wasn't aware of those pages needing it, but yes, I can probably do it. Doing this takes a fair amount of time, but also I need preview frequently. Right now, I'me getting 500 errors about 60% of the time, so I can't count on it lot loosing my work. (Submitting this took 3 tries and 2 minutes) Once things stabilize, I'll give it a go. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:51, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::BTW, I learned recently that if you make an edit and the internal server error (why in the world is it happening so much now?) come on, you can just press the refresh button and your edit will still be saved. You don't need to worry about your information being lost. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point! I've noticed that sometimes works, but I've had times when it doesn't. However, some browsers hold information from past pages. I'm using [[Vivaldi (web browser)|Vivaldi]], which does this. In case of a 500 error, I can just hit back and it instantly loads back the past (edit) page with my edits. I think a number of them do this, including Firefox. I don't know if this works for you.
::::Conservative thinks its due to D/DoS attacks--I don't know if this is the case or not, but it could be. The server responds, but there seems to be some problem in the server's internal services; download requests are not handled properly. Sometimes the requests are not served at all, and other times an incomplete answer is provided. It sounds to me more like a problem with the server processing power or software. However, it could be a simple DoS/DDoS an attack. I have also noticed that certain queries available to the public on this site can take several minutes. Run 100 of those simultaneously, and it could load down the server too. Anyway, I've discontinued all my bot activity, which is about all I can do. It will clear up eventually. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::::David, in addition to the tables, would you please upload the image of Rees-Mogg for me? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

::::::There are still a lot of pending upload requests, but if you want me to do it so I will be liable, I suppose I can at some point. I'm busy putting out other fires at the moment. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:28, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

As requested, uploaded as [[:File:Official portrait of Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:45, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:10, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

== Move request ==

I hate to have four links starting with "Breitbart" leading to the same location, but would you please move [[Breitbart.com]] to [[Breitbart News]]? That is how they refer to themselves. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:07, 20 October 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, done! Four does seem like a bit much, but this is a good suggestion. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:10, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

Hello DavidB4, I have some more requests:
*Please move [[:Category:2016 presidential election]] to [[:Category:2016 Presidential Election]], and please use your bot to change the category name in the individual articles with it
::Done, but [[Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow]] is protected and could not be moved
*Please do the exact same thing with [[:Category:American war heroes]], [[:Category:Population politics]], [[:Category:United States Air Force aircraft]], [[:Category:Heads of government]], and [[:Category:Current Heads of government]].
::Done!
*Please move [[:Category:Neoconservative]] to [[:Category:Neoconservatives]], and use your bot to move the individual articles.
*Please movie [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] to the more recognizable name of [[:File:European Union flag.png]], and then please move the name on the linked articles
If There are any protected pages/files in any of the categories, I will ask Andy afterward to move them, as well as to delete the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)
:In addition to my above requests, do you know how to get the table at [[Conservative news websites]] to show up at the top of the article? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:57, 24 November 2017 (EST)
::It seems the table was not closed properly, so the Wiki was confused--I've fixed that. I'll move those pages soon, but this is a very busy week for me, so it may take a little time. Feel free to remind me if I don't do them in a few days. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::Also, it appears that [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] is protected, so I cannot move it. It will need to be unlocked first, which I have requested. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 27 November 2017 (EST)

:::I think that's everything, except for some [[User_talk:Aschlafly#More_delete_requests|pending unlock requests]]. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:55, 1 December 2017 (EST)
::::If you would move [[:File:Gwtgg.jpg]] and [[:File:786980.jpg]] (as well as the code on the articles they are linked on) to titles that make sense before Andy re-protects them, I would appreciate that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::::I wanted to do just that, and said as much to Andy. However, unlike the others which he completely unlocked, he left move protection on those files, so I'm assuming that he does not want them moved. I can't, so I didn't. It's a good suggestion, though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[The Battle of Sunshine Church]] to [[Battle of Sunshine Church]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:40, 6 December 2017 (EST)

Should [[Worst Liberal Video Games]] be moved to an essay? The other "Best" and "worst" articles are essays, so it might make sense to move this. Also, this article has no categories. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:Yes, [[:Category:Video Games]] should be added to it at the very least. It was your discovery, so I'll leave the categorization to you. Moving this page to essay namespace makes sense to me--"best" and "worst" are very subjective, so I see no reason not to move this. However, since it is a higher-traffic page, I wonder if the move template should be placed on it first for a little while so people have time to comment and discuss it if they want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::It might be a good idea, though at the same time, I'm sure that most page viewers don't have editing accounts. By the way, I just saw that [[Greatest Conservative Video Games]] also exists, with the same problems as the other page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:59, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:::Fair enough--I've moved both of them. I'll leave the redirects, though, to help channel the traffic. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::::Thanks. I agree about keeping the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Please move [[:Category:Rothschild family]] so "family" is capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 31 December 2017 (EST)

:I would have assumed that "family" would not be part of the proper noun on this. Have they become so well know that it has, though? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:27, 31 December 2017 (EST)
::Either way, it's a category, so per the naming convention, "family" should be capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. I'm not sure why I missed that this was a category when I asked that. Anyway, I did your suggested move as you've already seen, though I missed deleting the redirect. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 2 January 2018 (EST)

==Thanks for the message==
To David,
Thank you for your reminder. I will add them up as soon as possible. There are some sources that are conservative but in foreign languages, I will add them as soon as possible.

:Okay, thank you! Even if in a foreign language, it would be a good idea to include them...They were your information source, so they deserve credit. Anyway, you probably know all this--I just figured I'd mention it. Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:35, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

== Dealing with Hahalongboy ==

David: I am puzzled by your note on Hahalongboy's talk page. It looks as thought you may be taunting him. I would advise against this sort of thing.

Now I now nothing about what he is actually doing, or what the "Swans" band is, other than that it's pretty obvious I would never want to hear their "noise rock" (whatever that is) music. And I do not know what the "meme" is that you are talking about. That said, it seems that either
*You find his behavior utterly unacceptable, in which case you should revert or delete it, and block him, or
*You actually want to engage with him on the subject.
I would guess that it's the latter, since you know perfectly well how to block people. If so, I found what you wrote to be a bit impolite. If you can discuss with him how he can improve his writing, please do so.

You do not strike me as an impolite person, which is why I am puzzled that you seem to be speaking in riddles

There are people here who block people with incredibly impolite comments, often along the lines of "You just proved that we [presumably the Conservapedia editor community] are right about what liberals [of which you presumably are one] do." But you are not that kind of person.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:04, 3 December 2017 (EST)

:It was not my intent to specifically taunt him/her. However, they are clearly fooling around. "Haha Long Boy" is a harmless but pretty much meaningless "meme" (see: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/long-boy) which was popular among certain millennials about a year ago. On their profile page they put the grammatical equivalent of "XD" which is supposed to represent a face with mouth open and eyes tightly closed in laughter. This user is not being overtly harmful, so I was granting them the benefit of the doubt. However, in response to their goofy (childish?) behavior, I decided to "toss it right back" to them and see what happened. I suspect this is a troll, but I don't know yet. It is my intent to not be unduely hostile, but to learn their intent at the same time.
:Thanks for the feedback, though. I didn't say more to them at the time because I was still trying to determine their intentions, and didn't want to waste time on a troll. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:18, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::Fair enough. You obviously know way more about this than I do. I'll butt out now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:32, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::I sometimes pick up strange knowledge which actually proves useful. I've seen this kind of clowning around on another site I administrate, too. I usually don't engage them, but decided to give this one a try. As you probably saw, I did decide, following your comment, that I should leave a proper welcome. It never hurts, so thanks for nudge! Anyway, Conservative decided to nuke things, so I guess he decided there is nothing to be gained from it. 
:::Feel free to comment/interject/suggest/complain any time though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:45, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Image licensing ==

Hello David, I want to upload [https://www.flickr.com/photos/135638414@N02/20882496641/in/album-72157655419191143/ this image], but on the right-hand side, it says "All Rights Reserved." Does this mean I cannot upload the image? Or is it a good idea to ask the Lt. Gov. office or Patrick's campaign for permission to use it? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:09, 17 December 2017 (EST)

:Hi, It could be argued that to reuse it would be permitted under the fair use exception, but I try to avoid that here in particular. On Flickr, users specifically manage licenses, so this appears to be a deliberate act to restrict reuse. To honor that wish, I try not to use them. However, Fair Use is widely interpreted different ways...some might see it as completely fine in this case. It sounds like neither of us are confident it is acceptable, so probably you'd best skip it or ask them.
:This image looks suspiciously like it could be a government-produced image--I wonder if it could be found elsewhere with more information. If the government made it, then it's in the public domain. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:20, 19 December 2017 (EST)
::Does this also apply for state government photos? I know (partially from experience) that Wikipedia frequently deletes what official state government images (found on state government websites), allegedly due to not being free to use. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:26, 19 December 2017 (EST)

:::You're right--some states do hold copyrights, while others release all right to the public. It goes state-by-state, and I couldn't find anything on Texas specifically. So asking them would probably be the best option. Thanks for pointing that out--I was oblivious of that until now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:40, 19 December 2017 (EST)

I contacted the Office of the Lieutenant Governor Friday, and I am awaiting a response. On a different topic, please delete the redirect "Great Persecution" and move the article [[Diocletian persecution]] to it. The most common names for the persecution are either "Great Persecution" or "Diocletianic Persecution", and the current name is neither of these two. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:06, 24 December 2017 (EST)

:Okay, thanks for the heads-up. I've moved the page as requested also. Have a merry Christmas! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:21, 24 December 2017 (EST)
::Merry Christmas to you too! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 24 December 2017 (EST)

== Hi ==

So, I'm an editor on the English Wikipedia, and noticed you put a help message on my talk page back in April. I may want to start editing here. Is the Wikitext the same base language? And what would you reccommend I do to get started? Thank's, [[User:Adotchar|Adotchar]] ([[User talk:Adotchar|talk]]) 19:16, 18 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! We do use the same basic wiki language. We use MediaWiki, which is produced by the WikiMedia Foundation. A page on the basics is [[Help:How to edit a website like Conservapedia|here]], but if you know how to edit on WP, you should be all set for editing here. A basic summary of who we are and what we do is [[Conservapedia:Quick reference|here]], but an extensive guide is available [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages|in our manual of style]]. Lastly, here are our [[Conservapedia:Commandments|rules]] and our [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guidelines]].
:I know that's a lot of material, but hopefully some of it will be helpful. Other than reading up on any (or all) of that, just find something which needs improvement or creation, and edit it! Cite your sources, try to keep in uniform style, and avoid a liberal point of view. We do not specifically have a NPoV rule, so a "conservative bias" is permissible when it is supported by evidence. Otherwise, the safe option is to keep it neutral. You should also have the ability to create pages by yourself, without requesting permission.
:You can discuss possible changes on talk pages, and may want to do so for larger changes, especially on larger, more popular pages. However, this is not required. For the most part, it has been my experience that others leave you alone while you edit, unless they see an obvious problem.
:If you have any questions, you can always ask me, or you can try asking everyone on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|community portal]]. I think that just about covers it, but if I missed something or if you have any other questions, I'm happy to help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:12, 19 December 2017 (EST)

== Merging ==

Hello DavidB4, I noticed that we have two categories for the [[Tea Party Movement]]: [[:Category:Tea Party Movement]] and [[:Category:Tea Party]]. Do you agree that these should be merged?

Also, I think I mentioned to you sometime earlier about possibly merging [[Republicanism]] with [[Republican form of government]]. I will look into that soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:44, 27 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! Those do sound like good candidates to be merged--go for it! You did mention the "Republicanism" category issue, too. I would be fine with that merge as well. Thanks for doing clean-up! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)

== New Essay ==

I was thinking that this site needs a new essay on how Christians display morals and values that are antithetical to mainstream culture and all of its vices. Look at this article from the Babylon Bee:

http://babylonbee.com/news/another-actress-accuses-kirk-cameron-treating-respect/

It's pretty hilarious considering all of the sex scandals that are going on in Hollywood these days. Kirk Cameron definitely stands out from mainstream Hollywood actors by being faithfully married to his wife Chelsea since 1991. If you notice, I added several Christian songs to the "Greatest Conservative Songs" that not only promote Christian values, but also are the antithesis of modern mainstream Hollywood and Liberal values. Shobson20 (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:That is a good article, and it would be great to have something written on it. If you would like to write an essay on the subject in general, go for it! It is amazing for foreign christian beliefs are to secular ones sometimes. People don't usually become Christians expecting to be come polar opposites of the norm, but through the work of God's spirit, they in many ways do. Then the world is shocked that these Christians do respect people, abut do not engage in their vices. Many of the world's problems (drunk driving, sexually transmitted diseases, selfishness leading to communist leanings, unwanted pregnancies and single parenthood, etc.) are largely eliminated by the Christian lifestyle. I would be interested in reading an essay on this general topic, if you write one!
:Just go ahead and pick a title, then create the page and write it! As long as it holds to Conservapdia's "[[Conservapedia:Commandments|commandments]]," you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want with it. (Rule #5 does not apply on essay either, though I personally prefer to let the reader make some informed decisions of their own.)
:There might also be some article on the issue of sex scandals, though the only page I could find on the subject was "[[Atheism and sexual immorality]]". This article and a related blurb might be something which could benefit such a page. It would not be opinion, but verifiable fact. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:56, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular Here is the new essay, I would like input from other Conservapedians, so anything you could do to increase the visibility of this page would be appreciated. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 10:28, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::Essays are typically edited only by the author, unless a special exception in made. Therefore, out of respect for your work, people will probably do no more that comment on the talk page. Is this what you want, or would you prefer this to be an open page, like [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs]]? IF it is open to anyone, you may want to specify this at the top of it, or at least on the talk page.
:::As for getting input from others, I've had limited success doing this in the past, unfortunately. However, one thing you could try is posting about it on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]] to see if anyone has input. I see that 1990'sguy has [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular&curid=148244&diff=1394532&oldid=1394529 already chipped in], too which is good! It seems he has understood your intent for this to be an open essay, as I suspect you want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Potential edit war ==

On this page: http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies MacTavish moved Home Alone 2 to the "Debatable Whether Great Section" and personally accused the movie makers of having "Hollywood Greed." I think that statement is too vindictive and accusatory, so I changed it, but he's probably going to change it back. I don't think his statement is appropriate for CP.

:I recommend either going to the essay's talk page or MacTavish's talk page and talking it out. It's the best way to solve conflicts like this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::Agreed, that's the place to discuss it, since interested people are more likely to see it. I'm happy to weigh in though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:08, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::He just removed my message from his talk page [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 01:28, 29 December 2017 (EST)

::::So I see--that does seem a little odd.
::::I don't see why it should be "debatable," but here we are debating it, so perhaps it does belong in that section. I was hoping we might be a response from him, but I guess he doesn't feel like talking. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:01, 29 December 2017 (EST)

== Greeting for new editors ==

You did a fantastic job as far as creating the updated greeting for new editors. It looks great.

Thanks for using a few of my tips regarding the color scheme. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:05, 29 December 2017 (EST)

:You're welcome, and thanks for the suggestions! It's still not perfect, but it seems pretty good to me. I'd also like to automate the entire thing, so it auto-fills username, signature, etc. but so far haven't been able to do it quite right. At least it works manually though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (EST)

== comment about my account ==

Although I have done most of my work on one particular page, that is because I only recently updated my account.

If you will check my user history, I recently updated the article for Atlanta Hawks (providing a brief history of the team's origins and many relocations) and also for the Atlanta article (updating a very old article to reflect a change in sports team status since the Atlanta Thrashers have relocated to Winnipeg, and to also mention a prior NHL franchise in Atlanta which also moved).

My plan is to ultimately moved articles that I have written on your competitor's website (one of which was flagged for "notability" solely because it involved a derivative work of a Christian novel whereas other similar articles were not, clearly showing their liberal bias) to this one (your guidelines say that I can do so if the work is mine). The article I wrote here is one, about a novel by one of the more prolific Christian fiction writers, that would be likely deleted there because of their anti-Christian bias.

[[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:13, 8 January 2018 (EST)

:I have responded to you on this page: [[Talk:The Chance (Karen Kingsbury book)]]. In short, I made a mistake (two actually) and you are more than welcome to publish this material here. For some reason I don't quite understand, we don't really used "AFD" pages anymore even though our templates link to them, so I also linked to that AFD page from the talk page. I apologize for this mix-up--let me know if there anything helpful I can do for a change. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (EST)

== Image copyright (2) ==

Hello David, would you please check and see whether it is OK to upload these two photos? The licensing for these two is a bit confusing: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitlermusso2_edit.jpg][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Benito_Mussolini_Roman_Salute.jpg] If it happens that it's OK to upload them, would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 15 January 2018 (EST)

:Familiar with seeing one or maybe tow license templates, I was chuckling by the end of the first image's page, having seen 5 of them, along with two others. What a mess! As best I can tell, they really don't know. I think one of their many templates summed it up best "This image may not have the proper copyright or licensing information, or there is a conflict of license." I can't say what they are licensed as, so I wouldn't try anything but "Fair use." You might be able to get away with "Fair Use," but since I can't even figure out where these came from, I wouldn't try. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:37, 16 January 2018 (EST)

::Honestly, I really want to upload these photos, so if there's any way to upload them, I will take that way. However, I'm short on time, so I won't deal with that for now. Maybe I'll ask Andy later.

::BTW, would you please upload these two images: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WWII,_Europe,_Germany,_%22Nazi_Hierarchy,_Hitler,_Goering,_Goebbels,_Hess%22,_The_Desperate_Years_p143_-_NARA_-_196509.jpg][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H12148,_N%C3%BCrnberg,_Reichsparteitag.jpg] The first one wouldn't upload because it said that I did not add an image though I did. Maybe it will work with you? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:46, 16 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to those images, please move [[:Category:Homosexual activists]] in order to capitalize the "a". Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 17 January 2018 (EST)

::::I just tried all the basic upload tricks, and nothing worked. I'm not just talking about these images either--I simply can't upload anything. It looks like a bug to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:36, 17 January 2018 (EST)

:::Sorry to keep piling on requests -- I know you're probably as busy as me -- but posting them here at least help me to remember them so I can focus on content in the little time I have. I am very tempted to delete this newly-created article, as this person does not appear to be notable (only a singer from Puerto Rico, does not even have his own Wikipedia page). I would appreciate your input. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:13, 18 January 2018 (EST)

::::No apology needed! I've moved the category, as requested.
::::"Darell" is clearly a page needing attention. You can see the style issues, and the name should obviously be changes also. Those issues aside, I don't know anything about him, and can find only a little information about him elsewhere online. It doesn't seem to be a made-up topic, but almost everything about him is written in Spanish, so I can't verify accuracy. Since we don't have a specific "notability" policy, and this page does seem to be composed of original content, I probably would just improve it and leave it be. However, it could be that this is a promotion attempt, in which case it warrants deletion. I just don't know for sure, so I am hesitant to wipe it out. Please see the note on this topic in my e-mail, also. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 18 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Also, thanks for cleaning up that redirect I forgot about! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[Lazarus (Parable)]] to [[Lazarus and the Rich Man]], as it is a better title. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2018 (EST)

:Moved as requested. I'm indecisive as to whether leaving the redirect would be beneficial or not, so since in doubt, I left it. You can delete that if you want, it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:07, 21 January 2018 (EST)
::I think keeping the redirect is fine. BTW, would you please take care of [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TerryH&diff=1400544&oldid=1391663 this], unless someone else does it first? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:50, 25 January 2018 (EST)
:::Also, what do you think of Grace's edits in the [[Homophobia]] article? Do you think it's good, or is the intro section too short now? I would appreciate a second opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (EST)

::::I am not especially comfortable doing the merge since I know nothing about the gentleman, but if no one else does, I suppose I can try to merge them. I think the homophobia intro was much better, but needed to actually specify the intended meaning of the term. I've added a sentence explaining this, and I think it's probably fine now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:19, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Should we move the article [[Christmas and Easter Catholic]] to "Christmas and Easter Christian", or should we create a new article with that title? I would imagine that the two terms are independently notable, but I could be wrong (and the editor who brought it up was not pleased at my response). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:35, 31 January 2018 (EST)

:I don't know Catholicism very well, but these do seem similar to me. I just don't know if under their works-based salvation, there is some special obligation or rule that does not apply to Protestantism. Either way, whether a "mass" or a "service," this does seem to be a similar issue though. As for the name(s), I'm inclined to think that if there is a significant difference, this naming scheme is fine. However, it is a little odd to have one page an not the other. If we are only going to gave one, perhaps a more generic name would be appropriate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
::OK. If you think it's best that we move the article, please do so since I can't do it myself. Otherwise, we can create a new article. Either way -- it was Quidam65 who brought it up. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:09, 31 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to the email I sent you a few days ago, would you please look over the article [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]] (title, layout)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:49, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I'm no expert--if you think separating the pages them is better, that's fine with me. You probably have a better idea than I do. Anyway, I've posted on the talk page to see if anyone else has anything to say, first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I will review that page, and look back at my e-mails. I must have missed it, because I wasn't aware of anything outstanding. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Regarding [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]], the title is cumbersome, but I have no better suggestions. I did revise the section titles, and reworded a couple things. Additionally, the intro is a little shorter than I would like, while the following section is the opposite. Other than that, the only issue I noticed was that there are spaces before the references. I didn't bother fix them, though--my bot will fix those on its next sweep. Also, I found your e-mail and will be in touch. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:06, 1 February 2018 (EST)

== More requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move these categories to fix their cases: [[:Category:Victims of homo-fascism]], [[:Category:Economic history]]. Also, I reminded Andy to unlock the images you requested. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:19, 3 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check [[:File:Miklós Horthy.jpg]]? On [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg the original file], it states that "you must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." Would you please make sure the file I uploaded meets that requirement? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:22, 4 February 2018 (EST)

::Andy unlocked the files required for me to do the first requests, so I will be completing those soon. As for this image, I think what you have done will keep us all out of trouble. However, a couple minor things: 
::Images in the public domain can be used any way we want, without attribution--they are public property. However, as a courtesy to our sources, and to demonstrate to others that we have the legal rights to use them, it is CP (and WP) policy to explain briefly. What you have entered is a good explanation, but I would say that the author is the U.S. Federal Government, not Cserlajos. If you want to give that person credit, you could note that Cserlajos digitized the photo, though. Lastly, we have [[Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style/Images|a list]] of templates for images which state the applicable licenses. You are not obligated to use these (very few editors here do) but they are available if you want to make things a little fancier. In this case, I would probably add the following to the top of the image page. This is entirely your choice, though. 
::<code><nowiki>{{USGovt tag</nowiki></code> 
::<code><nowiki>|source=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg}}</nowiki></code>
::I hope this helps--let me know if anything is unclear! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:14, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::I did what you recommended. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:19, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::Looks good to me! I actually am waiting on one more unlock before I can do that last move (there is cascading protection locking it) so I will finish that later. Also, thanks for reminding Andy about the older unlock requests of mine! I'd lost track of them as well, so it might have been awhile before I remembered them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:27, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::::Done! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:20, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Would you please take a look at the article [[Homosexual Fascists]]? As I pointed out on the article talk page, the article throws the term "fascist" around too freely, and it labels (to the point of slander) people like Jorg Haider "fascists" (though Haider supported a more limited federal Austrian government). Is there anything to do about this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check the page [[Arius Raposas]]? Is it genuine or appropriate to keep? The account that created it is called "Athanasius", so it's odd that they created an article about an "Arius", but about someone totally unrelated to the fourth-century heretic. Checking that page is also relevant to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Historian&curid=126238&diff=1403171&oldid=1278122 this edit].
:Also, what do you think about User:Cantante's pages? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:02, 7 February 2018 (EST)

::I'm not a historian, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of [[Homosexual Fascists]]. I do hope that communism and fascism were not confused with each other, since they ultimately manifest themselves in similar ways. I am also a little concerned about the use of a Huffington Post article as a positive reference. I wish I could help more, but I really don't know much in this area. It certainly is a favorite thing as of late for liberals to throw around the term in psychological projection.
::[[Arius Raposas]] looks like an advertising attempt. CP already shows as #1 result on several search engines for him, because the other results are apparently less reputable. You can see some more info about him on his LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arius-raposas where you can also see that he only had 59 connections. I say deleted it.
::Regarding [[User:Cantante]], I can't tell if these are good faith edits or not. It might be that s/he is writing about their favorite amateur rappers, or it could be that this is a promotion attempt. Either way, I doubt these pages are going to be of much value to CP. I just don't want to wipe them out if this is a good faith editor. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:36, 7 February 2018 (EST)

:::For the Arius Raposas article, I would say definite delete (though I won't do it until you're confident it should be deleted). At the very least, User:Cantante's articles should be trimmed and improved, though I wouldn't mind deleting them (if he complains, we can restore them). Again, I don't want to do this without you agreeing.
:::For the homosexual fascist article, '''at least''' the title should be changed. I wrote CP's article on Haider a while back, and he's not a fascist (and whether he was even a homosexual is in dispute -- he had a wife). It is true, though, that the Left hated him while he was alive. The article could be used to show left-wing hypocrisy on this matter, by showing that homosexuality was widespread even among people they didn't like (or something like that), but in its current form, it reads like a socially-conservative John McCain (though that sounds like an oxymoron) wrote the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 7 February 2018 (EST)
:::Sorry to keep posting stuff here, but in addition to the email I sent you, I would appreciate it if you would check the article [[Covenant Christian Coalition]] to see if it is plagiarized from Wikipedia or another website (it was created by yet another newly-registered editor). I recommend deleting the Arius article and asking Cantante about the other two articles, with the intention to delete or trim/improve them if he doesn't respond. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:28, 8 February 2018 (EST)

::::You don't need to apologize, though I might need too--I'm not having enough time right now to deal with each issue promptly.
::::1. Arius Raposas: I'm not convinced it should be kept, but I'm waiting to hear back from him now. My own ignorance of these foreign websites might be the problem, but when I do a web search and find only CP and a bunch of social media accounts, I am not filled with confidence. It sounds more like someone trying to build an online presence than someone notable enough to have others research them.
::::2. Homosexual fascist: I will differ to your judgment on this then. It sounds like you know some more about at least Haider, while I really know nothing at all on the subject. I trust you know what you are talking about! :)
::::3. [[Covenant Christian Coalition]]: This looks like an expanded version of [https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Covenant_Christian_Coalition.html] this page. I've asked on the talk page about original authorship.
::::4. I will reply to your email soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Is it time to move [[Greatest conservative corporations]] and make it an essay? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:11, 14 February 2018 (EST)
:Probably. It seems no one else is particularly invested in that page anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::Would you then please move it now? I agree that we should keep the redirect. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. For some reason, I was thinking you were going to do it. I've moved it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:21, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::::I would if I could, but I don't have move rights, as you probably remember. Thanks anyway! I will reply to your latest email soon, when I get time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:44, 14 February 2018 (EST)

== Categories ==

Hello DavidB4, it seems that [[:Category:Unions]] and [[:Category:Labor Unions]] are duplicate categories. Is then OK if you merge them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2018 (EST)
:I also just found that we have duplicate articles [[Right to work]] and [[Right-to-work laws]].
:Also, [[Edwin R. Thiele]] and [[Edwin Thiele]] have not been merged yet. I would appreciate it if you would at least help do this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::The first two are done--good suggestions, thanks! The last one I suppose will attempt, but I know nothing about the man, so I'm afraid I will not do the article justice. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks. Maybe another editor is able and willing to do it. Would you please move the article [[Hilary Belloc]] per AlanE's edit summary comment in the article history? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:02, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::::Thanks for moving it. Would you please move the article [[The Forgotten Depression of 1920]] to [[Forgotten Depression of 1920]]? Also, [[Anti-Saloon league]] and [[Anti-Saloon League]] are (almost) duplicate articles which should be combined. The former link should redirect to the latter. Would you please do this? Also, while most of what I wrote in my latest email to you were just statements, I did ask you one question. I would appreciate it if you would reply even though it's not too important. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:02, 18 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Thanks for pointing out the Hilary Belloc issue--I was oblivious to the problem. I've also moved the 1920 page leaving the redirect, and replied to your email. I will work on merging this and perhaps the other article as time permits. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you, I will! [[User:Willow Smith|Willow Smith]] ([[User talk:Willow Smith|talk]]) 11:42, 21 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Conspiricy No. 5" ==

The actual name of the Third Day album is "Conspiracy No. 5". The original author simply misspelled it. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:13, 23 February 2018 (EST)

:Good catch! I've fixed it, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (EST)

== Request to merge pages ==

There are two pages with virtually identical headings and all with the same text (likely someone didn't know how to do a redirect page).

The pages are "Committee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist" and "Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Nyquist".

Request that one be made the main page and the other a redirect, to make Conservapedia better for all. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 14:25, 24 February 2018 (EST)

PS--Thanks for the fix on Conspiracy No. 5.

:Another good observation. I've redirected the latter to the former. Thanks for pointing this out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:02, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Castings Crowns(album)" ==

Again, another inadvertent misspelling (and grammatical error) by a well-meaning Conservapedian. The correct title is "Casting Crowns (album)". [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 21:20, 27 February 2018 (EST)

:Thank you! I've fixed it, though there is no redirect so the old name will not work anymore. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:14, 27 February 2018 (EST)

== Response to inquiry on redirect pages ==

In response to your inquiry, most of those "articles" are barely one sentence. That may be suitable for a dictionary but not for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, most of those "articles" did little more than discuss a subcomponent of the larger topic, such as your concerns about the various "bankruptcy" titled ones.

What I did, which I believe makes Conservapedia a much better site, is to consolidate all those smaller articles into one, more comprehensive one, which contains all pertinent information related to a topic. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:12, 2 March 2018 (EST)

:That makes sense I suppose, and we do discourage "stub" articles. However, it is also generally frowned upon to replace articles with redirects. This should be done with caution, if at all, and all material must be saved. I will look more into it, but please do be careful about this. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:57, 5 March 2018 (EST)

== Yet another merger candidate ==

There are two similarly named articles. One is titled "Internet Crime" (note the capitalization) and contains a significant amount of information. The other is titled "Internet crime" and has virtually nothing in it (the history only shows two changes, one to create it in 2009 and the other to lock it almost immediately thereafter). My suggestion is to unlock the empty article (which you admins can do) and turn it into a redirect page. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

:What I'm seeing is a redirect under the name [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crime&redirect=no Internet crime] which points to [[Internet Crime]]. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crimes&redirect=no Internet crimes] is an identical redirect, also. Am I missing something? I don't see a protect page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

::Here's another category that could be merged: [[:Category:Supreme Court]] and [[:Category:United States Supreme Court]]. We could make the first category a parent category of the second one, since we have the general article [[Supreme Court]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:38, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Yes, that's another good one suggestion. Probably we should make [[:Category:Supreme Court]] the parent, then sort out the entries inside of it to be accurate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:23, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

== The Internet crime mystery--solved (?) ==

OK I figured out what is happening. It is a category titled "Internet crime" which is locked and has no pages showing it as a category. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 10:16, 10 March 2018 (EST)

== Thanks for the server update ==

It is greatly appreciated. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 18:04, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

==Hacker keeps removing [[Andy Clay Harris]]==
I have returned it three times to the board. The hacker uses the name MatthewLClark.
Please block him. This is the text he keeps removing:
''<nowiki>
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| birth_date=September 1, 1961
| birth_place=Resident of 
[[Bossier City]], [[Louisiana]]
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| party=[[Republican Party|Republican]]
| religion=Assembly of God [[clergy]]man
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'''Andy Clay Harris''' (born September 1, 1961)<ref name=mylife.com>{{cite web|url=https://www.mylife.com/andrew-harris/harris3768r|title=Andy Harris (Clay)|publisher=Mylife.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> is an Assemblies of God pastor from [[Bossier City]] in northwestern [[Louisiana]], whose former congregation, The Church of the Cross, erected in 2009 a 199-foot [[Christian]] cross on the grounds of its sanctuary in Haughton. The silver cross is seen from various points about U.S. Highway 80.

The son of a Bossier City builder-father and teacher-mother, Harris graduated from Bossier High School in 1979. He studied at the Southwestern Assemblies of God University<ref name=intelius>{{cite web|url=https://www.intelius.com/people-search/Andy-C-Harris/Bossier%20city-LA|title=Andy Harris: Bossier City, LA|publisher=Intelius.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> in Waxahachie, [[Texas]], the alma mater of the famous pastor [[John C. Hagee]] of [[San Antonio]], Texas. For a time, he was on the staff of ''The Gurdon Times'' in Arkadelphia, [[Arkansas]]. He also lived for a time, dates unavailable but prior to 1996, in [[Carson City]], [[Nevada]]; Miami, [[Oklahoma]], and Sarepta in Webster Parish, Louisiana.<ref name=intelius/> Harris completed an internship at his home congregation, the Broadmoor Assembly of God in [[Shreveport]] and was ordained into the ministry in 1985.<ref name=arrest>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/crime/2018/03/09/benton-man-arrested-possession-meth/410682002/|title=Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|author=Nick Wooten|date=March 9, 2018|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref>

On March 7, 2018, Harris was arrested at his home for possession of [[methamphetamine]]s and drug paraphernalia and booked in the Bossier Maximum Security Facility, at which he posted a $5,000 bail. He accepted the pastorate of The Church of the Cross in 1996 and resigned after more than twenty-one years amid the arrest.<ref name=arrest/> He reportedly earned between $100,000 and $150,000.<ref name=mylife.com/> Police said that Harris was questioned on another unrelated, undisclosed matter when Harris revealed the drugs he had. Police found 3.5 grams of meth, a smoking device, and a snorting straw.<ref name=arrest/>

A [[Republican Party|Republican]],<ref name=mylife.com/> Harris was pictured in ''The Shreveport Times'' with current state Senator [[Ryan Gatti]] of Bossier City and Louisiana Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser.<ref name=arrest/>

On the Sunday after his resignation as pastor, a letter from Harris was read to the congregation. He described his time at The Church of the Cross as one of "faith and victory" and long-term friendships with members who were "[[Salvation|saved]], healed, and filled by the [[Holy Spirit]]. We have loved and felt love by you all."<ref name=pastor>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2018/03/12/arrested-pastor-former-congregation-forgive-me/416277002/
|title=Arrested pastor to former congregation: forgive me|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|date=March 12, 2018|author=Nick Wooten|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> Harris described his recent years in the ministry as like being in "a pressure cooker" with betrayals, sickness, and family issues. Harris continued, "A few months ago in a time of weakness I attempted to ease the pain in the way. I have [[sin]]ned, and I have [[God|the Lord]] to forgive me. I have asked my family to forgive me. And I am asking you all -- all of you-- to forgive me. ... Pray all the good the Lord has done through us will outshine the bad [[Satan|the devil]] has done to us."<ref name=pastor/>

Doyle Dempsey, the secretary-treasurer of The Church of the Cross, described his broken heartedness, "Although we do not condone his behavior in this matter, we are all eternally grateful to Pastor Harris for his years of dedicated service to this church body. ... We are all just mortal men. One decision away from sudden destruction."<ref name=pastor/>

In the wake of Harris' departure, the pastoral staff will rotate the ministerial duties pending the call of a new pastor.<ref name=pastor/>
</nowiki>''

David, someone else appears to have corrected the problem and identified the hacker. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:30, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

:I'm glad it was taken care if quickly! That actually wasn't even hacking. They just created a user account and deleted the page contents. Do feel free to let me know if this happens again, but don't worry--it's easy to fix. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:22, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

== Great work on block and reverts ==
Thanks for the quick work on blocking and reverting the vandal!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:56, 17 March 2018 (EDT)
:Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:25, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

== Need to update article title ==

The article title for Wally Amos Criswell needs to be changed.

First, the proper spelling of his first name was Wallie. Second, he was always better known by his initials, W.A. Therefore, I suggest that the title be changed to W.A. Criswell. [[User:Bcarlin|Bcarlin]] ([[User talk:Bcarlin|talk]]) 23:05, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

:Thank you, Quidam65, but Conservapedia forbids the use of "sock puppet" accounts. Please sort out your issues with the administration, rather than just trying to around them. I have fixed this issue you mentioned. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:32, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

::Would you please move the article [[Sebastian Pinera]] to [[Sebastián Piñera]], since this title has the proper punctuation? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:19, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Done. I'm leaving the redirect, since most people don't have "á" and "ñ" on their keyboards. Good idea! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

== Thanks for your help ==

Thank you for your help, DavidB4! Also, I apologize: I accidentally added two posts that were nearly identical to the Aschlafly "talk" page. Sorry for the mistake! {{unsigned|Questions}}
:You're welcome! [[User:1990'sguy]] already fixed the issue, so you should be all set. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:04, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

== Few Things ==

Hey, I have a few questions... First, how does one become a sysop or "get promoted"?... I am also on the site that shall not be named, and becoming a sysop there was relatively easy.
Also, I want to add images to my articles, @1990's guy gave me a link to make a request, but it didn't work and also, I am wondering if there is an easier way? I think that Conservapedia suffers greatly from the lack of illustrations. Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 00:53, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! Regarding your first question, there is no published criteria for promotion. Rather, editors who have shown themselves reliable and well-meaning are occasionally promoted, as they are decided to have earned the privilege. As overall membership grows and changes, these "Assistant Sysops" may be promoted to full administrators. However, this is rare, and has not happened to anyone in the 2.5 years I have been here. It is quite rare.
:As for image uploads, the standard was for you to do this is to post your requests on [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests|this page]] (provide the link to the wanted images). If you stay with us for a while and prove yourself, you may eventually receive the privilege to do it yourself. However, users do not start out with this ability, since some users may upload images which are either protected by license, or inappropriate. Considering the amount of vandalism we see at times, this seems to be the reasonable option to me, although I know it can be annoying. I spent a while requesting uploads before I was granted the ability to upload directly.
:In short, these "lower" promotions do often come to editors who prove themselves, but it takes time and effort. Higher promotions (such as to the administrator level) are quite rare, even when there are candidates who could quality. At least most of us, if not all, are here to improve the CP, rather than to play the internal political system to earn promotion and status. Understand that to be promoted to full Administrator is rare, and very unlikely for someone who has recently joined. At any level, promotions can be considered a privilege, but not a right.
:If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 04:19, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

::Hey, for one, how do I determine if an image is free of copyright or not? Can I use Google Images? 2)How do I recommend it on that article? Do I simply copy paste a link to the image? Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 14:26, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:::You need to look for images which are in the [[public domain]] or under a [[Creative Commons]] license. Here are some places I like to look for good, usable images:
:::*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr.com]
:::*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons]
:::*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:::*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
:::*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]

:::If there are none available which fit these requirements, then we can only try to use them under "[[fair use]]." If you use Google or some other such search engine, you must go to the actual website and find their licensing agreements, to ensure that they do not expressly prohibit retransmission and republishing. "Fair use" is a last resort, and we try to avoid using this claim as much as possible, since it is difficult to legally define.
:::You copy and paste the link to the file you want onto the [[CP:IUR]] page, and sign at the end of the request. Typically, it is then reviewed and uploaded, and the uploader responds to the request with the file name on CP. The requesting user then goes and adds the image(s) to the page(s) they intended. You do not need to state what page the image is intended for in the upload request, though it doesn't hurt to do so, especially if we are going to be using it under "fair use." --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:13, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Hey David, I posted the new requests... Please, get to them as soon as you can, I tried my best to make them clear... If you need help understanding what I meant (unlikely), let me know. Thanks! --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:21, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:You request was perfectly clear. In case you haven't already noticed, I uploaded and added them. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:34, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== Micro evolution ==

Micro evolution is the change BELOW the species level, macro evolution is the one above... Both have been observed. Micro evolution WILL ALWAYS lead to macro evolution GIVEN SUFFICENT TIME...

Here... This guy puts it simply... Watch these 2 videos. They are VERY entertaining, you will NOT be bored. He puts it simply. This will explain it in SIMPLE terms... Watch video number one AND THEN number 2... You will definitely change your POV a little at least...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnygS7opCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ilMYc5xdQ

--[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:11, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

:The arguments are not new. Here is a short article explaining the difference: http://www.icr.org/article/what-difference-between-macroevolution-microevolut/
:Now we get to things like:
:*Why are there really no confirmed transitional species? Why do scientists keep inventing them rather than finding them?
:*Why are we not burred up to our elbows in fossils from transition species?
:*Why is it that any significant evolution in the modern day is harmful? Just look at the miracle of the four-winged fruit fly, which has no muscles attached, so they greatly impede flight. On top of this, all other fruit flies refuse to mate with them, due to the mutation.
:*Does similarity really show common ancestry, or rather common designer?
:*Why did Darwin himself declare that his entire theory should be considered null and void if the cell was ever found to be anything more than an inert building block? (of course, he knew nothing about DNA, either)
:*Why do human genes most closely match those of a worm, not an ape?
:*Why do apes have more chromosomes that humans, rather than less, as the supposed progression would suggest?
:*Why is it that since the Cambrian explosion, there have been found no new ''species'' in the fossil record?
:*Why is it that the Cambrian explosion even occurred? There is nothing gradual about that...it's just *poof* all life appears on a formerly dead planet. The only evidence of life below the Cambrian layer are a few sponge embryos, which probably got there through contamination.
:*Are humans actually devolving?
:**Humans used to live much longer than they do now. For example, Neanderthals lived so long that their jaw and foreheads (which never stop growing) grew so much as to change their appearance
:**Human teeth used to heal, but no longer do
:**Some say that human brain cavities are actually shrinking, though I have not researched this to verify the claim
:**While medical science has improved our understanding of biology, things such as allergies seem to be much ore common in recent years. Are our immune systems forgetting how to tell friend from foe?
:*How is it that a team of monkeys with a typewriter are more likely to write out the entire library of congress in chronological order by accident, than a DNA strand is to accidentally form?

:The argument is always time. They count on there being at least some shadow of a doubt about how it is just slightly possible that given a few hundred millennia, xyz might happen. Now they can't even pretend the earth is old enough to prop up this ridiculous theory, so now they are hoping to find or invent some kind of "proof" that life started on another planet, preferably so far from earth that we have no way to study it.

:And by the way, I'm not a fan of "youtubers" who use poor video editing, interruptions, and all manner of other childish methods. There is nothing intellectual or scientific about the likes of these.

:There are so many things wrong with the theory of macroevolution, that I don't even know where to start. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:29, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Hello David, these two categories should probably be merged: [[:Category:DC]], [[:Category:Washington, DC]].

Also, these categories either should be moved (so they're capitalized) or deleted: [[:Category:Movies about Fathers and Sons]], [[:Category:Movies about fathers and daughters]], [[:Category:Movies about high school]], [[:Category:Movies about joining a clique]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:58, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

:I agree, and merged the two categories. The "DC" one is currently a redirect, though we could just delete that. Some of these other categories seem a little odd, such as "Movies about joining a clique" which only has two pages. However, there's no harm in keeping it I suppose. I'll move those soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:53, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
::Thanks! Would you please also take care of BHathorn's request [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Contact_Us&curid=45451&diff=1418798&oldid=1409729 here] to move the article [[Leroy Shafer]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:43, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Done, thanks for pointing it out! Thanks also for the deletions. I was planning to delete DC2 after a few days, but leave it a little while so as not to confuse Andy if he revisits it to restore protection. No matter, it needed to be deleted eventually anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:21, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

I've been busy letting you know about categories with improper capitalization, but I created (and didn't notice) the [[:Category:Donald Trump achievements]] category, which also needs the "A" capitalized. Would you please fix that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 11 May 2018 (EDT)
:Also, would you please move [[Iranian nuke deal]] to "Iran nuclear deal" (for which a redirect already exists)? The latter is a more common term and the former's wording is a bit awkward, I think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:07, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

::Done! It is sometimes surprising how easy it is to make a mistake that you are generally fixing after others make it... --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Thanks, and that's true. One thing: your bot made several unhelpful changes when it fixed the category, mainly by removing necessary "<nowiki> </nowiki>" tags and changing the "main article" template at the top to a format that doesn't suit the article. I reverted all those changes while keeping the constructive ones. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:40, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

::::I was just looking at your reversions. Sorry about that! I had a minor problem with the bot, and needed to revert to an earlier version of it. Unfortunately, I forgot to update the edit rules (and some code), so it did everything the original regex engine creator intended. I'll try to avoid that in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:43, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::::That's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:45, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move these two categories to fix their capitalization: [[:Category:English activists]], [[:Category:Counter-jihad activists]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:10, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:Would you also please move [[:Category:Self-defense]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:31, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

::Will do, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:07, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Finally done. Sorry for the wait! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks, and that's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:02, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the [[United Nations human rights council]] page over the rightly-capitalized [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council&redirect=no redirect]? Also, the page [[Human Rights Commission]] should be moved to [[United Nations Human Rights Commission]] (and also, the latter organization ceased to exist upon the council's creation, though the CP article doesn't show that). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:04, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

:I think those should be all set. The [[United Nations human rights council]] redirect could be deleted, but there are currently pages linking to that name, so corrections will be needed. I can do that later (if I'm not to scatter-brained to remember) or you can. Let me know if there's anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
::I think I fixed the rest of these issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:11, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

== Move request for California nebula ==

Could you move [[California nebula]] to [[Barnard's loop]]? I messed up and wrote it on the wrong page. [[User:FredericBernard|FredericBernard]] ([[User talk:FredericBernard|talk]]) 13:13, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

:Of course! I've moved the page, and removed the redirect since this was a mistake. (If you want a redirect, feel free to add one, though.) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:40, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

::Please move this page to an essay and delete the redirect (along with any other formatting/categories/etc.): [[The evil of the school system]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:53, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Done: [[Essay:The evil of the school system]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:21, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks! Would you also please check the essay for plagiarism (just to be safe)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:55, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::::I was going to say that it's a good idea regardless (one I should have thought of), but I actually found something. It appears that the essay is an expansion on this article: https://politicalfestdotblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/17/school-kids-are-usually-unhealthy/
:::::However, that is very much an unfinished site, so it may well have been created by the same person who posted this essay here. This text does not seem to exist on any other indexed pages on the Internet right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:43, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
::::::Oh, and the screen names posting the text on CP and the wordpress site are the same. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:03, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the article [[By-election]] to [[Special election]], which is the American term for the same concept? Also, would you please move [[:Category:List of Law Enforcement Agencies]] to [[:Category:Law Enforcement Agencies]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:51, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:In addition to the above, I would appreciate it if you would move the articles [[New Orleans Hornets]] and [[Charlotte Bobcats]] per the recent edits on it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:59, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

::I've done all but the category. I will do that one later, when I get the chance to set up the bot. I recommend leaving all of the redirect in place (except for the upcoming category one), but it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I agree -- leaving all the redirects is the best (and only reasonable) decision. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
::::Please also move the page [[Massresistence]] to [[MassResistance]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::Done, redirect left in place. Sorry for the wait, I have not been feeling well. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:36, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
::::::You're welcome, and I hope you're feeling better. However, the link above I suggested is still red. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:39, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, not so much I'm afraid. Perhaps I can blame that for this blunder?? ;)
:::::::It should be right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:53, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Would it be OK if you move [[Leftwing violence in the Trump era]] to [[Left-wing violence in the Trump era]], and fix the double redirects that will result from this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:35, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:It's probably fine. Maybe I should have posed a proposal first, but I just did it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:39, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

::Would you also please move [[:Category:Complex analysis]] to capitalize the "a" and delete the resulting redirect? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

:::Of course! Will do, but it might take a little while. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:06, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

::::In addition to the above, would you please move the [[Open ended questions]] article to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Open-ended_question&redirect=no Open-ended question] (now a redirect)? Pinley tried doing it manually, though we should move pages the correct way. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:08, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:::::Done. I'm working on transferring my bot to a new system, which is why I'm taking so long on the category moves. I will do it eventually, but I prefer to use the bot to do the hard work. Apologies for the wait on those! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:12, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Hi! A few things... I was wondering if you could move [[Primary sex characteristics]] to [[Primary sex characteristic]], since [[Secondary sex characteristic]] is singular. Additionally, [[Chartist movement]] should be merged with [[Chartism]]. Thanks! --[[User:Pinely|Pinely]] ([[User talk:Pinely|TALK]]) 23:45, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! I have moved that page as requested. I can do the merge later, but not right now. Thanks for the suggestions! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

==Re: Photo for Gandalf==
Hello, DavidB4: thanks for your informative messages on my talk page. I don't think that we'll be able to find a free alternative to New Line Cinema's copyrighted material, so could you upload an image under a rationale such as this?: '''This image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the film and does not limit New Line Cinema's ability to sell or show the film.''' In answer to your question, by the way, yes, I think I'd prefer a photo that's not quite so tight. ;)
—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 20:11, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

:You are very welcome!
:We may be able to use one under the fair use clause. Have you found a good image which is under copyright? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:19, 8 August 2018 (EDT)
::How about the first one in this gallery from Imgur?: [https://imgur.com/gallery/HIf1F]. —[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 11:58, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

The Lord of the Rings

2018-08-09T01:04:53Z

Fëalórin:

[[Image:Mhjfjfr7.jpg|thumb|350px|The covers for the three volumes of ''The Lord of the Rings'', designed by Tolkien.]]

'''''The Lord of the Rings''''' is a lengthy fantasy novel written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]. ''The Lord of the Rings'' is considered one of the most influential works of the [[fantasy]] genre in modern times.

The story of ''The Lord of the Rings'' is about the war of the peoples of [[Middle-earth]] against a Dark Lord named [[Sauron]], the eponymous "Lord of the Rings". The most powerful ring falls into the hands of a hobbit named Frodo Baggins, who is sent on a quest to destroy [[The One Ring]] deep within the enemy territory of [[Mordor]].

== Creation ==

The Lord of the Rings was published in three parts in the years 1954 and 1955, and was preceded by the prologue, ''[[The Hobbit]]''.

=== Writing ===
After the success of his earlier book ''[[The Hobbit]]'', Tolkien's publishers persuaded him to write a sequel. He began writing in December 1937, but the first drafts were still far away from the finished version. After writing and re-writing the beginning several times, Tolkien realized the role of the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] and the quest it entailed in the spring of 1938, while writing the discussion between Gildor Inglorion and the later [[Frodo Baggins]]. This was the point upon which the back story and central quest that would be ''The Lord of the Rings'' came together in his mind. It was also the point that he firmly set the book's plot into his already existing [[Middle-earth]] legendarium. Whereas the ''The Hobbit'' had before been separate from his Middle-earth mythology, while still borrowing ideas, names, and persons from it, Tolkien now consciously moved it and its sequel into the Middle-earth setting. This resulted in the changes in tone, and in the meaning of formerly unimportant things as the 'magic ring' and the Necromancer, who both gained literary importance in the sequel. While the ''The Hobbit'' was written as a story intended for his children, ''The Lord of the Rings'' due to the realization of the later plot, soon became an epic tale of much greater proportions, both in plot and in length.

The earlier drafts and versions of ''The Lord of the Rings'' were published posthumously by his son Christopher Tolkien in ''The History of The Lord of the Rings'' (1988-1992), which are volumes VI–IX of ''The History of Middle-earth''.

In the story of the Middle-earth legendarium, ''The Hobbit'' appears as Bilbo's story of his journey and the finding of the Ring, while ''The Lord of the Rings'' are Frodo's later additions of the War of the Ring, both of which form the ''[[Red Book of Westmarch]]''.

=== Publication ===
Although often wrongly thought to be a [[trilogy]], ''The Lord of the Rings'' was conceived by the author as a single work. Its internal structure divides it into six 'books', named Book I-VI, according to the plot, with several appendices and an index. Because of paper shortages, the amount of paper needed and to reduce financial risk, it was released by the publisher [[Allen & Unwin]] in three volumes, each containing two Books:
#''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]''
#''[[The Two Towers]]''
#''[[The Return of the King]]''
This resulted in the common error of calling ''The Lord of the Rings'' a [[trilogy]], a term which Tolkien rejected, just as he disliked the book being published in separate volumes. The first two volumes were published in 1954, and the third in 1955. It was initially published in hardbound.

In 1965 an American paperback publisher released a "pirated" paperback edition, paying Tolkien nothing, in the belief that Tolkien's copyright in the U. S. was defective because of a technicality. Tolkien reached a legal settlement with this publisher, and another publisher released an authorized edition for which Tolkien was paid royalties. The book was an instant success, particularly among college students.

== Story ==
=== Background story ===
In the [[Second Age (Middle-earth)|Second Age]] the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] created the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] to help him conquer the peoples of Middle-earth. The [[Quendi|Elves]] and [[Man (Middle-earth)|Men]] of Middle-earth, led by High King Gil-galad of the [[Noldor]] and King Elendil of the [[Arnor|Dúnedain]], formed the ''[[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]'' to fight him. Sauron was defeated and the Ring cut from his hand, thus the ''[[War of the Last Alliance]]'' ended, beginning the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]].

The story takes place at a time when the Elves, immortal and fairest of all beings in the world, are leaving the war-weary world to sail to the blessed realm of [[Valinor]]. With the departure of the Elves, the Age of Men has come. But the Dark Lord [[Sauron]], not truly killed at the end of the last Age, has been regaining power over the millennia since his defeat. Instrumental in his survival was the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]], which had kept him alive, and for which he now searches. This Ring, which had been lost for millennia, fell by chance into the hands of the [[hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]], the story of which is told in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. At the beginning of ''The Lord of the Rings'', sixty years have passed since Bilbo found the One Ring.

=== The Fellowship of the Ring ===
==== Book I ====
The [[Hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]] celebrates his 111th birthday, after which he leaves [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]] to travel once more, leaving his home Bag End and his [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|magic ring]] to his heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].

In [[Middle-earth chronology|T.A.]] 3018, Frodo is visited by his old friend, the Wizard [[Gandalf]], who tells him of the Ring's history and gives him the task of taking the Ring to the [[Quendi|Elven]] refuge [[Rivendell]]. Frodo leaves the Shire joined by his friends [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam Gamgee]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry Brandybuck]], and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin Took]], all the while pursued by the mysterious otherworldly [[Nazgûl|Black Riders]], servants of Sauron. After an adventurous time they arrive in [[Breeland|Bree]], where they meet the human Ranger [[Aragorn|Strider]]. With his help they manage the make the last stretch of the way to the Ford of [[Bruinen]] at Rivendell.

==== Book II ====
The group have made it to [[Rivendell]], where the Council of Elrond decides over further action. The Ring shall be destroyed, which can only be done in [[Mount Doom]] in Sauron's land [[Mordor]] where it was forged. A group of companions are chosen to accompany Frodo on his quest, forming the Fellowship of the Ring: the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, the Wizard [[Gandalf|Gandalf the Grey]], [[Gimli son of Glóin|Gimli]] the Dwarf, [[Legolas]] the Elf, and the Men [[Boromir]] of [[Gondor]] and [[Aragorn|Aragorn of the Dúnedain]]. The Fellowship journeys south, and after failing to cross the [[Misty Mountains]], goes under them through the Dwarven [[Khazad-dûm|Mines of Moria]]. There they are attacked by Orcs and lose their leader Gandalf to the [[Balrog]]. The Fellowship rest in the Elven realm [[Lothlórien]], and continue by boat down the river [[Anduin]]. At the Falls of Rauros they rest again, and Boromir tries unsuccessfully to take the Ring from Frodo. While the Fellowship searches for him, Frodo secretly leaves them behind to continue his quest all by himself, but Sam catches up with him and joins him on his way to Mordor.

=== The Two Towers ===
==== Book III ====
Boromir is mortally wounded defending Merry and Pippin from Orcs. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli decide to follow the Orcs into [[Rohan (Middle-earth)|Rohan]] to rescue the kidnapped hobbits. Merry and Pippin manage to escape [[Saruman]]'s Orcs at [[Fangorn|Fangorn Forest]], where they meet [[Treebeard]] the Ent. The tree-like Ents hold council, and decide to attack Saruman at [[Isengard]]. In Fangorn Forest Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli meet the returned Gandalf the White, who takes them to the capital [[Edoras]], where they join [[Théoden|King Théoden of Rohan]] in the fight against Saruman. The forces of Rohan prevail against Saruman's armies in the ''Battle of the [[Helm's Deep|Hornburg]]''. Afterwards they go to Isengard to confront Saruman, whom is cast out of the Order by Gandalf. Pippin picks up the ''[[palantír]]'', and alerts Sauron to their presence. Gandalf and Pippin set of for [[Gondor]].

==== Book IV ====
Back in the Emyn Muil, Frodo and Sam journey east towards Mordor, trailed by [[Gollum]]. They capture him and he promises to lead them on their way. They travel though the Dead Marshes to the [[Morannon|Black Gate]], where Gollum leads them south. In [[Ithilien]] they are captured by [[Faramir]] of Gondor, but he releases them after hearing about their quest. Gollum leads them to and abandons them at the Pass of [[Cirith Ungol]], where they are attacked by the giant spider Shelob. Assuming Frodo dead, Sam takes the Ring to finish the quest on his own. Frodo's body is taken by a patrol of Orcs, who reveal that Frodo is only paralyzed. Sam, who has secretly followed them, tries to rescue Frodo, but is late and locked out of the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

=== The Return of the King ===
==== Book V ====
Gandalf and Pippin arrive in the city of [[Minas Tirith]], where they meet [[Denethor|Steward Denethor II]] of Gondor, and Pippin enters his service. Aragorn and his companions are joined by a group of Rangers from Rivendell. They go through the [[Ered Nimrais|Paths of the Dead]] and Aragorn summons the Dead Men of Dunharrow to his aid, and then rides east. King Théoden is summoned to Gondor, and the Rohirrim and Merry ride to Minas Tirith. Minas Tirith is besieged by the Sauron's armies. The following ''Battle of the [[Pelennor Fields]]'' is won with the help of the Rohirrim and the arrival of Aragorn with reinforcements from the southern regions of Gondor. Théoden is killed, but Éowyn and Merry slay the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]. Aragorn leads the combined forces of the West against Sauron in a move to distract him from Frodo, resulting in the ''Battle of the [[Morannon|Black Gate]]''.

==== Book VI ====
Sam rescues Frodo and returns the Ring to him. They continue the trek across Mordor. At Mount Doom they are attacked by Gollum. Frodo succumbs to the power of the Ring, claims it as his own and puts it on. Gollum fights him, biting off his finger and taking the Ring, but slips and falls into the [[Sammath Naur|Cracks of Doom]], destroying the Ring. Sauron is defeated and his power crumbles. The ''Battle of the Black Gate'' is won, and Gandalf sends the Eagles to rescue Frodo and Sam. Aragorn becomes King of Arnor and Gondor. Everyone returns homeward, and the hobbits return to [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]]. The land has been taken over by Saruman and his men, but after the ''Scouring of the Shire'' led by the returned hobbits, Saruman is killed and the hobbits can begin reordering their land. After a few years Frodo, who has been greatly hurt and burdenend though his quest and the Ring, traveled to the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]]. There he bids his hobbit-friends good-bye, and leaves together with Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel for the Undying Lands in the West, ending the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] of Middle-earth. Sam, Merry and Pippin return to the Shire and their homes.

=== Appendices ===
''The Lord of the Rings'' is followed by six appendices, which give more background and detail on the history, peoples, languages, and various other topics of Middle-earth.
* '''Appendix A Annals of the Kings and Rulers''': contains further information on the history of [[Númenor]], [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], and of the [[Lôgrad|Rohirrim]] and [[Durin's Folk]].
* '''Appendix B The Tale of Years (Chronology of the Westlands)''': contains the timeline and chronicles of the [[Middle-earth chronology|Ages]].
* '''Appendix D Calendars''': the different [[Middle-earth chronology|calendar systems]].
* '''Appendix E Writing and Spelling''': on the pronunciation and the [[Tolkien's scripts|scripts]].
* '''Appendix F''': overview of the [[Tolkien's languages|languages]], and notes on the fictional "translation" of the book from the [[Westron]] language.

== Reception ==
From the beginning, ''The Lord of the Rings'' has received very mixed reviews, which range from high praise to condemnation. ''The Lord of the Rings'' has been considered one of the most influential works on the modern time [[fantasy]] genre.

In 1965, a US-American pirated paperback edition and the surrounding trouble spread awareness of ''The Lord of the Rings'' in the United States, where it soon gained a strong following.

Many times people have tried to interpret ''The Lord of the Rings'' as an [[allegory]]. Tolkien himself renounced that claim, stating he disliked allegory and that the ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory, which he also explained in the foreword to the book's second edition. Instead of being allegorical, he said that the book had a quality he called "applicability": because it was a story about universal themes and struggles, it could be likened to almost any situation in real life.<ref>"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. [...] The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. [...] Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref> This universality would result in it often being interpreted as an allegory, sometimes ironically from opposing ideological sides. For instance, J. R. R. Tolkien was a [[Roman Catholic]], and despite his statements that ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory some readers have seen [[Christian]] undertones in ''The Lord of the Rings.'' <ref>"Much as it is possible to identify allegories of the Second World war into ''The Lord of the Rings'', it is possible to identify any number of Christian allegories as well" in Smith, J. and Matthews, J.C. ''The Lord of the Rings:the Films, the books, the radio series'' (Virgin Books 2004), p.116.</ref> Tolkien himself specifically discounted the belief that he wrote the book as a direct Christian allegory—or any other sort of allegory, which he went on record as "cordially disliking" and saw as besides the point of good storytelling in the medieval sense, and preferring "applicability"—in contrast with the overt and acknowledged allegories in the works of Tolkien's friend, [[C. S. Lewis]].<ref>''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'', #129</ref>

Tolkien's scarring experiences in [[World War I]] and his distaste for destructive industrialism - seen in the books in his characterization of [[Saruman]]'s armies - has been an influence on his works, as acknowledged by himself.<ref>"An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience [...] One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. [...] It has indeed some basis in experience, though slender (for the economic situation was entirely different), and much further back. The country in which I lived in childhood was being shabbily destroyed before I was ten, in days when motor-cars were rare objects (I had never seen one) and men were still building suburban railways. Recently I saw in a paper a picture of the last decrepitude of the once thriving corn-mill beside its pool that long ago seemed to me so important.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref><ref>John Garth, "Tolkien and the Great War: the Threshold of Middle Earth," available at [http://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Great-War-Threshold-Middle-earth/dp/0618331298 Amazon.com].</ref> However, Tolkien did state that "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision[]"—which indicates his devoted faith.<ref>[https://www.grin.com/document/22410]</ref>

== Sequel ==

Tolkien attempted to write a sequel to ''The Lord of the Rings''. Although he did a first draft, he would never complete it. The unfinished work is now part of the 12th volume of ''The History of Middle-earth'', under the title of ''The New Shadow''.

== Adaptions ==
''The Lord of the Rings'' has been adapted full or in part in a variety of media. Among these are films, stage plays and a musical.

=== The Lord of the Rings film trilogy ===
'''''The Lord of the Rings'' film trilogy''' were three films based on the book, all directed by [[Peter Jackson]], produced by [[New Line Cinema]] and filmed in [[New Zealand]]. The film titles were derived from the three volumes:

* ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001)|The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' (2001)
* ''[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'' (2002)
* ''[[The Return of the King (film, 2003)|The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'' (2003)

The films were released annually in cinemas from December 2001 to 2003. DVD releases of the cinema version and Special Extended Editions have also been released for each film. Each extended edition includes four discs, two of bonus material.

The Lord of the Rings film trilogy received universal acclaim from critics and fans alike. Some even cited it as "the [[Star Wars]] Trilogy for [[Millennials]]". The trilogy had 30 [[Academy Awards|Oscar]] nominations, 17 of which it won. One of them being Best Picture, which was won by ''The Return of the King'' at the 76th Academy Awards in 2004. ''The Return of the King'' is also the only film in cinematic history that won every Oscar it was nominated for, 11 in all. It is tied with ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]'' and ''[[Ben-Hur (1959 film)|Ben-Hur]]'' as the film that won the most Academy Awards in cinematic history.<ref>[http://www.filmsite.org/oscars2.html#1]</ref> Both the first and third films in the series also won [[Movieguide]]'s "Best Movie for Mature Audiences" award in 2002 and 2004, respectively.<ref>[https://movieguideawards.com/category/winners/]</ref>

== References ==
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== See also ==
*''[[The Hobbit]]''

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The Lord of the Rings

2018-08-09T01:03:33Z

Fëalórin:

[[Image:Mhjfjfr7.jpg|thumb|350px|The covers for the three volumes of ''The Lord of the Rings'', designed by Tolkien.]]

'''''The Lord of the Rings''''' is a lengthy fantasy novel written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]. ''The Lord of the Rings'' is considered one of the most influential works of the [[fantasy]] genre in modern times.

The story of ''The Lord of the Rings'' is about the war of the peoples of Middle-Earth against a Dark Lord named Sauron, the eponymous "Lord of the Rings". The most powerful ring falls into the hands of a hobbit named Frodo Baggins, who is sent on a quest to destroy the One Ring deep within the enemy territory of Mordor.

== Creation ==

The Lord of the Rings was published in three parts in the years 1954 and 1955, and was preceded by the prologue, ''[[The Hobbit]]''.

=== Writing ===
After the success of his earlier book ''[[The Hobbit]]'', Tolkien's publishers persuaded him to write a sequel. He began writing in December 1937, but the first drafts were still far away from the finished version. After writing and re-writing the beginning several times, Tolkien realized the role of the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] and the quest it entailed in the spring of 1938, while writing the discussion between Gildor Inglorion and the later [[Frodo Baggins]]. This was the point upon which the back story and central quest that would be ''The Lord of the Rings'' came together in his mind. It was also the point that he firmly set the book's plot into his already existing [[Middle-earth]] legendarium. Whereas the ''The Hobbit'' had before been separate from his Middle-earth mythology, while still borrowing ideas, names, and persons from it, Tolkien now consciously moved it and its sequel into the Middle-earth setting. This resulted in the changes in tone, and in the meaning of formerly unimportant things as the 'magic ring' and the Necromancer, who both gained literary importance in the sequel. While the ''The Hobbit'' was written as a story intended for his children, ''The Lord of the Rings'' due to the realization of the later plot, soon became an epic tale of much greater proportions, both in plot and in length.

The earlier drafts and versions of ''The Lord of the Rings'' were published posthumously by his son Christopher Tolkien in ''The History of The Lord of the Rings'' (1988-1992), which are volumes VI–IX of ''The History of Middle-earth''.

In the story of the Middle-earth legendarium, ''The Hobbit'' appears as Bilbo's story of his journey and the finding of the Ring, while ''The Lord of the Rings'' are Frodo's later additions of the War of the Ring, both of which form the ''[[Red Book of Westmarch]]''.

=== Publication ===
Although often wrongly thought to be a [[trilogy]], ''The Lord of the Rings'' was conceived by the author as a single work. Its internal structure divides it into six 'books', named Book I-VI, according to the plot, with several appendices and an index. Because of paper shortages, the amount of paper needed and to reduce financial risk, it was released by the publisher [[Allen & Unwin]] in three volumes, each containing two Books:
#''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]''
#''[[The Two Towers]]''
#''[[The Return of the King]]''
This resulted in the common error of calling ''The Lord of the Rings'' a [[trilogy]], a term which Tolkien rejected, just as he disliked the book being published in separate volumes. The first two volumes were published in 1954, and the third in 1955. It was initially published in hardbound.

In 1965 an American paperback publisher released a "pirated" paperback edition, paying Tolkien nothing, in the belief that Tolkien's copyright in the U. S. was defective because of a technicality. Tolkien reached a legal settlement with this publisher, and another publisher released an authorized edition for which Tolkien was paid royalties. The book was an instant success, particularly among college students.

== Story ==
=== Background story ===
In the [[Second Age (Middle-earth)|Second Age]] the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] created the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] to help him conquer the peoples of Middle-earth. The [[Quendi|Elves]] and [[Man (Middle-earth)|Men]] of Middle-earth, led by High King Gil-galad of the [[Noldor]] and King Elendil of the [[Arnor|Dúnedain]], formed the ''[[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]'' to fight him. Sauron was defeated and the Ring cut from his hand, thus the ''[[War of the Last Alliance]]'' ended, beginning the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]].

The story takes place at a time when the Elves, immortal and fairest of all beings in the world, are leaving the war-weary world to sail to the blessed realm of [[Valinor]]. With the departure of the Elves, the Age of Men has come. But the Dark Lord [[Sauron]], not truly killed at the end of the last Age, has been regaining power over the millennia since his defeat. Instrumental in his survival was the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]], which had kept him alive, and for which he now searches. This Ring, which had been lost for millennia, fell by chance into the hands of the [[hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]], the story of which is told in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. At the beginning of ''The Lord of the Rings'', sixty years have passed since Bilbo found the One Ring.

=== The Fellowship of the Ring ===
==== Book I ====
The [[Hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]] celebrates his 111th birthday, after which he leaves [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]] to travel once more, leaving his home Bag End and his [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|magic ring]] to his heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].

In [[Middle-earth chronology|T.A.]] 3018, Frodo is visited by his old friend, the Wizard [[Gandalf]], who tells him of the Ring's history and gives him the task of taking the Ring to the [[Quendi|Elven]] refuge [[Rivendell]]. Frodo leaves the Shire joined by his friends [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam Gamgee]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry Brandybuck]], and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin Took]], all the while pursued by the mysterious otherworldly [[Nazgûl|Black Riders]], servants of Sauron. After an adventurous time they arrive in [[Breeland|Bree]], where they meet the human Ranger [[Aragorn|Strider]]. With his help they manage the make the last stretch of the way to the Ford of [[Bruinen]] at Rivendell.

==== Book II ====
The group have made it to [[Rivendell]], where the Council of Elrond decides over further action. The Ring shall be destroyed, which can only be done in [[Mount Doom]] in Sauron's land [[Mordor]] where it was forged. A group of companions are chosen to accompany Frodo on his quest, forming the Fellowship of the Ring: the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, the Wizard [[Gandalf|Gandalf the Grey]], [[Gimli son of Glóin|Gimli]] the Dwarf, [[Legolas]] the Elf, and the Men [[Boromir]] of [[Gondor]] and [[Aragorn|Aragorn of the Dúnedain]]. The Fellowship journeys south, and after failing to cross the [[Misty Mountains]], goes under them through the Dwarven [[Khazad-dûm|Mines of Moria]]. There they are attacked by Orcs and lose their leader Gandalf to the [[Balrog]]. The Fellowship rest in the Elven realm [[Lothlórien]], and continue by boat down the river [[Anduin]]. At the Falls of Rauros they rest again, and Boromir tries unsuccessfully to take the Ring from Frodo. While the Fellowship searches for him, Frodo secretly leaves them behind to continue his quest all by himself, but Sam catches up with him and joins him on his way to Mordor.

=== The Two Towers ===
==== Book III ====
Boromir is mortally wounded defending Merry and Pippin from Orcs. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli decide to follow the Orcs into [[Rohan (Middle-earth)|Rohan]] to rescue the kidnapped hobbits. Merry and Pippin manage to escape [[Saruman]]'s Orcs at [[Fangorn|Fangorn Forest]], where they meet [[Treebeard]] the Ent. The tree-like Ents hold council, and decide to attack Saruman at [[Isengard]]. In Fangorn Forest Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli meet the returned Gandalf the White, who takes them to the capital [[Edoras]], where they join [[Théoden|King Théoden of Rohan]] in the fight against Saruman. The forces of Rohan prevail against Saruman's armies in the ''Battle of the [[Helm's Deep|Hornburg]]''. Afterwards they go to Isengard to confront Saruman, whom is cast out of the Order by Gandalf. Pippin picks up the ''[[palantír]]'', and alerts Sauron to their presence. Gandalf and Pippin set of for [[Gondor]].

==== Book IV ====
Back in the Emyn Muil, Frodo and Sam journey east towards Mordor, trailed by [[Gollum]]. They capture him and he promises to lead them on their way. They travel though the Dead Marshes to the [[Morannon|Black Gate]], where Gollum leads them south. In [[Ithilien]] they are captured by [[Faramir]] of Gondor, but he releases them after hearing about their quest. Gollum leads them to and abandons them at the Pass of [[Cirith Ungol]], where they are attacked by the giant spider Shelob. Assuming Frodo dead, Sam takes the Ring to finish the quest on his own. Frodo's body is taken by a patrol of Orcs, who reveal that Frodo is only paralyzed. Sam, who has secretly followed them, tries to rescue Frodo, but is late and locked out of the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

=== The Return of the King ===
==== Book V ====
Gandalf and Pippin arrive in the city of [[Minas Tirith]], where they meet [[Denethor|Steward Denethor II]] of Gondor, and Pippin enters his service. Aragorn and his companions are joined by a group of Rangers from Rivendell. They go through the [[Ered Nimrais|Paths of the Dead]] and Aragorn summons the Dead Men of Dunharrow to his aid, and then rides east. King Théoden is summoned to Gondor, and the Rohirrim and Merry ride to Minas Tirith. Minas Tirith is besieged by the Sauron's armies. The following ''Battle of the [[Pelennor Fields]]'' is won with the help of the Rohirrim and the arrival of Aragorn with reinforcements from the southern regions of Gondor. Théoden is killed, but Éowyn and Merry slay the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]. Aragorn leads the combined forces of the West against Sauron in a move to distract him from Frodo, resulting in the ''Battle of the [[Morannon|Black Gate]]''.

==== Book VI ====
Sam rescues Frodo and returns the Ring to him. They continue the trek across Mordor. At Mount Doom they are attacked by Gollum. Frodo succumbs to the power of the Ring, claims it as his own and puts it on. Gollum fights him, biting off his finger and taking the Ring, but slips and falls into the [[Sammath Naur|Cracks of Doom]], destroying the Ring. Sauron is defeated and his power crumbles. The ''Battle of the Black Gate'' is won, and Gandalf sends the Eagles to rescue Frodo and Sam. Aragorn becomes King of Arnor and Gondor. Everyone returns homeward, and the hobbits return to [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]]. The land has been taken over by Saruman and his men, but after the ''Scouring of the Shire'' led by the returned hobbits, Saruman is killed and the hobbits can begin reordering their land. After a few years Frodo, who has been greatly hurt and burdenend though his quest and the Ring, traveled to the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]]. There he bids his hobbit-friends good-bye, and leaves together with Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel for the Undying Lands in the West, ending the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] of Middle-earth. Sam, Merry and Pippin return to the Shire and their homes.

=== Appendices ===
''The Lord of the Rings'' is followed by six appendices, which give more background and detail on the history, peoples, languages, and various other topics of Middle-earth.
* '''Appendix A Annals of the Kings and Rulers''': contains further information on the history of [[Númenor]], [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], and of the [[Lôgrad|Rohirrim]] and [[Durin's Folk]].
* '''Appendix B The Tale of Years (Chronology of the Westlands)''': contains the timeline and chronicles of the [[Middle-earth chronology|Ages]].
* '''Appendix D Calendars''': the different [[Middle-earth chronology|calendar systems]].
* '''Appendix E Writing and Spelling''': on the pronunciation and the [[Tolkien's scripts|scripts]].
* '''Appendix F''': overview of the [[Tolkien's languages|languages]], and notes on the fictional "translation" of the book from the [[Westron]] language.

== Reception ==
From the beginning, ''The Lord of the Rings'' has received very mixed reviews, which range from high praise to condemnation. ''The Lord of the Rings'' has been considered one of the most influential works on the modern time [[fantasy]] genre.

In 1965, a US-American pirated paperback edition and the surrounding trouble spread awareness of ''The Lord of the Rings'' in the United States, where it soon gained a strong following.

Many times people have tried to interpret ''The Lord of the Rings'' as an [[allegory]]. Tolkien himself renounced that claim, stating he disliked allegory and that the ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory, which he also explained in the foreword to the book's second edition. Instead of being allegorical, he said that the book had a quality he called "applicability": because it was a story about universal themes and struggles, it could be likened to almost any situation in real life.<ref>"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. [...] The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. [...] Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref> This universality would result in it often being interpreted as an allegory, sometimes ironically from opposing ideological sides. For instance, J. R. R. Tolkien was a [[Roman Catholic]], and despite his statements that ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory some readers have seen [[Christian]] undertones in ''The Lord of the Rings.'' <ref>"Much as it is possible to identify allegories of the Second World war into ''The Lord of the Rings'', it is possible to identify any number of Christian allegories as well" in Smith, J. and Matthews, J.C. ''The Lord of the Rings:the Films, the books, the radio series'' (Virgin Books 2004), p.116.</ref> Tolkien himself specifically discounted the belief that he wrote the book as a direct Christian allegory—or any other sort of allegory, which he went on record as "cordially disliking" and saw as besides the point of good storytelling in the medieval sense, and preferring "applicability"—in contrast with the overt and acknowledged allegories in the works of Tolkien's friend, [[C. S. Lewis]].<ref>''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'', #129</ref>

Tolkien's scarring experiences in [[World War I]] and his distaste for destructive industrialism - seen in the books in his characterization of [[Saruman]]'s armies - has been an influence on his works, as acknowledged by himself.<ref>"An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience [...] One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. [...] It has indeed some basis in experience, though slender (for the economic situation was entirely different), and much further back. The country in which I lived in childhood was being shabbily destroyed before I was ten, in days when motor-cars were rare objects (I had never seen one) and men were still building suburban railways. Recently I saw in a paper a picture of the last decrepitude of the once thriving corn-mill beside its pool that long ago seemed to me so important.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref><ref>John Garth, "Tolkien and the Great War: the Threshold of Middle Earth," available at [http://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Great-War-Threshold-Middle-earth/dp/0618331298 Amazon.com].</ref> However, Tolkien did state that "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision[]"—which indicates his devoted faith.<ref>[https://www.grin.com/document/22410]</ref>

== Sequel ==

Tolkien attempted to write a sequel to ''The Lord of the Rings''. Although he did a first draft, he would never complete it. The unfinished work is now part of the 12th volume of ''The History of Middle-earth'', under the title of ''The New Shadow''.

== Adaptions ==
''The Lord of the Rings'' has been adapted full or in part in a variety of media. Among these are films, stage plays and a musical.

=== The Lord of the Rings film trilogy ===
'''''The Lord of the Rings'' film trilogy''' were three films based on the book, all directed by [[Peter Jackson]], produced by [[New Line Cinema]] and filmed in [[New Zealand]]. The film titles were derived from the three volumes:

* ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001)|The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' (2001)
* ''[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'' (2002)
* ''[[The Return of the King (film, 2003)|The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'' (2003)

The films were released annually in cinemas from December 2001 to 2003. DVD releases of the cinema version and Special Extended Editions have also been released for each film. Each extended edition includes four discs, two of bonus material.

The Lord of the Rings film trilogy received universal acclaim from critics and fans alike. Some even cited it as "the [[Star Wars]] Trilogy for [[Millennials]]". The trilogy had 30 [[Academy Awards|Oscar]] nominations, 17 of which it won. One of them being Best Picture, which was won by ''The Return of the King'' at the 76th Academy Awards in 2004. ''The Return of the King'' is also the only film in cinematic history that won every Oscar it was nominated for, 11 in all. It is tied with ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]'' and ''[[Ben-Hur (1959 film)|Ben-Hur]]'' as the film that won the most Academy Awards in cinematic history.<ref>[http://www.filmsite.org/oscars2.html#1]</ref> Both the first and third films in the series also won [[Movieguide]]'s "Best Movie for Mature Audiences" award in 2002 and 2004, respectively.<ref>[https://movieguideawards.com/category/winners/]</ref>

== References ==
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== See also ==
*''[[The Hobbit]]''

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Talk:Liberalpedia

2018-08-09T00:53:43Z

Fëalórin:

==Maybe Liberapedia?==
I tried to look up some of the quotes, and it seems that the wiki doing that is called [[Liberapedia]], not "Liberalpedia". Shouldn't this article be renamed? [[User:DMorrow|Dave Morrow]] ([[User talk:DMorrow|talk]]) 11:01, 9 February 2013 (EST)
:You are right in observing that this ought to be renamed ([https://liberapedia.wikia.com]). —[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 20:51, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Talk:Liberalpedia

2018-08-09T00:53:01Z

Fëalórin:

==Maybe Liberapedia?==
I tried to look up some of the quotes, and it seems that the wiki doing that is called [[Liberapedia]], not "Liberalpedia". Shouldn't this article be renamed? [[User:DMorrow|Dave Morrow]] ([[User talk:DMorrow|talk]]) 11:01, 9 February 2013 (EST)
:You are right in observing that this ought to be renamed ([https://liberapedia.wikia.com]).
:—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 20:51, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

Talk:Liberalpedia

2018-08-09T00:51:13Z

Fëalórin:

==Maybe Liberapedia?==
I tried to look up some of the quotes, and it seems that the wiki doing that is called [[Liberapedia]], not "Liberalpedia". Shouldn't this article be renamed? [[User:DMorrow|Dave Morrow]] ([[User talk:DMorrow|talk]]) 11:01, 9 February 2013 (EST)
:You are right in observing that this ought to be renamed ([https://liberapedia.wikia.com]).
—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 20:51, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

User:Fëalórin

2018-08-09T00:41:42Z

Fëalórin:

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2018-08-09T00:40:21Z

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2018-08-09T00:39:41Z

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2018-08-09T00:38:12Z

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== Question ==

What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

== move request / delete request ==

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)

::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Conservapedia IRC channel ==

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
:::::Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Image typo ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Merge cats? ==

Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])

Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

== Moving Pages ==

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway. I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]]. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Anti-Trump" article ==

Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
:Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Picture Upload Requests==

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423

Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg

:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).

== Question ==

Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion ==

Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

:Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Ref help and suggestion ==

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

==Regarding Ransomware==
I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
:2. Reinstalling Windows.
:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
:# Not going to work, as explained.
:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
:#Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).

:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.

:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system. [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.

:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

==Congressman John Fleming==

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== Editor ==

Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

== Protection ==

The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==

Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

== D.T. achievements article question ==

The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

::That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

::They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

== Bye ==

It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
:I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
::He appears to have been some type of parodist.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::Clearly I missed that. Thanks for trying anyway....
::I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
:Thank you for your kind words.
:::BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
: I need someone to get rid of the title [[Joseph Belloc]] so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
::Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== Cleaning up after the blocked users ==

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from [http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page this website]. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::::I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt|here]], including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.

:Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.

:I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below ==

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.

If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.

=== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable? ===

{{welcome}}

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes. I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
==== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ====

[[File:Plate of cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Conservative! I am [[User:This lousy T-shirt|This lousy T-shirt]] and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Knox490|your contributions]]. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], or feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:This lousy T-shirt|my talk page]] or type ''{{tl|helpme}}'' at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
* [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]]
* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
* [[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
* [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia].
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether. As time allows, I'll see what I can put together. Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I'll see what I can do. It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

:::::::I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work. Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea. I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow. Maybe I can find a good shade combo though. Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

== Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page. Here is the updated version ==

Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: [https://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+basket&rlz=1C1PRFG_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHyI_c0trUAhUH0oMKHeMQDy4Q_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510#tbm=isch&q=welcome+fruit+basket Google images - Welcome fruit baskets]. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at: https://pixabay.com/en/photos/?hp=&image_type=&cat=&min_width=&min_height=&q=fruit+basket&order=

Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/similar/350093981

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== Email ==

I sent you an email about a question I have. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you another one. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
::Replied --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

I sent you an email several days ago, but you haven't responded. Maybe you didn't intend to, or you're taking your time to respond, but I just want to be sure you got it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:56, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

:I read it some time ago, but it seems I forgot to respond... My apologies! I've sent you a reply now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

I replied to your email (twice), but I received an automated email saying that my response was unable to reach you, saying it was a "permanent error" and (though it's hard to understand) that someone's IP address was blocked as spam for some reason. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:I did receive them both, and have replied. My spam filter has been a little on the fritz lately. Having my address publicly posted has enabled web spiders to scrape it, and sell my address to spammers. I can always change my address if it gets too annoying, but it hasn't really been a problem due to spam filtering. It seem I'll need to look into this, though. It has been flagging some messages from Conservative as spam, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:31, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

== Image question ==

I was also looking to add an image to [[Rare (company)]], hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:Hi,
:That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission. While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights. If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright. If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it. However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it. You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side. If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable. For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking. Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that [http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/XboxComTOU these terms] (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
::Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them. Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft. In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== Gender ideology ==
Hi, you reverted my last contribution in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gender_ideology&diff=prev&oldid=1363294 here] that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --[[User:AK|AK]] ([[User talk:AK|talk]]) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:BTW, I restored the page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake. I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990'sguy for restoring it! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

== Move requests ==

I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: [[:Category:Globalist]] to [[:Category:Globalists]], and [[:Category:Nationalist]] to [[:Category:Nationalists]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
:Good suggestions--done. I can move the pages using my bot later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Hello David, would you please move these two categories: [[:Category:Media personalities]] to [[:Category:Media Personalities]], and [[:Category:High schools]] to [[:Category:High Schools]]? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

:Done. The images in [[:Category:Media personalities]] were protected so they could not be moved. All the rest are taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thank you for your assistance. Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed". Please look at: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_achievements:_Criminal_justice,_law_enforcement,_and_other_DOJ_matters&diff=1368054&oldid=1368043 this proposal.] Many thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
:I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== IP blocks ==

Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

:It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
:If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright. I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies. Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses. These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more. They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.

== Copied article ==

A lot of the article [[Steppenwolf]] appears to be copied from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steppenwolf_(band)&oldid=796579357 the Wikipedia version]. Should it be deleted? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the [[Talk:Steppenwolf|talk page]] awhile back. I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person. I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

== Delete article? ==

Should we delete this article: [[Julia Gasper]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized. I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your input ==

Is this a bad edit: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&curid=1989&diff=1374996&oldid=1262366]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
:I've been pondering the same question. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chivalry merriam-webster] doesn't really specify, although some other sites like [http://www.wordnik.com/words/chivalry wordnik] do. Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
:I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

What do you think about this article? [[Peregrin Chronicles]]? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

:I don't think I can be much help with this one either. I've never heard of the series before. It exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676468266/the-aliens-have-landed-the-peregrin-chronicles-com kickstarter] didn't get much support, either. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's another one: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_evangelism&curid=105140&diff=1375410&oldid=1271896] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User Abranch|TALK]]) Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)

:::That is exactly right--I'm glad to hear those are your beliefs! Admittedly, my experience with Campus Crusade is limited to contact with one local chapter. I've never gotten into the full organization, so it's possible that things were represented slightly differently to me than is typical. I also have been out of contact with them for a little while now. I will take a look at the page you revised at some point. Thanks for your contributions so far! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:24, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's an article that might need a page move: [[Homework]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Email spam? ==

Is my email address in your spam folder again? I sent you an email a few days ago and am curious at the lack of response (though it's not important anymore). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:16, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it seems your message got lost in the noise. I already have written some rules which should be allowing all messages from CP users, but for some reason it's not working quire right. My apologies! I've relied to your message, though as you said, it's a bit late now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

::Maybe it's the name I use for my email address, "1990" for the first name and "sguy" for the last name? I have had some minor problems with my CP/WP/etc. email address before. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

:::Yeah, I think that's it. A lot of "marketing" (spam) corporations like to use algorithmically generated names, containing numbers and other gibberish. I think a batch of rules I set up early-on (before I knew better) flagged addresses starting with numbers for that reason. I think I've cleared out the offending rules. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your welcome message ==

On the user talk page [[User talk:NeilG]], someone put your newly designed welcome/template message.

Please change the color of the blue background. The dark blue combined with the black text is not the easiest to read. There is not enough contrast between those colors.

As far as a color I suggest using some shade of yellow or possibly a creamy yellow color such as [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/66/18/3e6618ad619db4d45c168d4c8dd04ea4--dutch-boy-paint-colors-paint-colours.jpg THIS COLOR] or a light parchment color such as [http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Acrylic/DecoArt/Americana/Light-Parchment/Light-Parchment.gif THIS COLOR].

In short, the black type should be on a lighter background. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

:Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't made any changes yet, but I just want to let you know I am playing with it. I was trying to stick with the red-white-blue theme, as requested by others, but I'll try deviating from that theme. I though the background was light enough for the black text, but even if it is, the blue links don't work on blue. I suppose I could do a dark background and light text, too. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear. If I cant't find something I like, I'll at least make an edit to improve it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:35, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::Is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Greeting&oldid=1379860 this] more like what you were thinking of? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:14, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

== Image copyright ==

Considering the "Personality rights warning" tag, is there any problem in uploading this image? [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_portrait_of_Mr_Jacob_Rees-Mogg.jpg] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:39, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
:Also, in addition to the Corporate tyranny article (if you are still planning on it), would you please add that box-format code to the list of corporate supporters in the [[Southern Poverty Law Center]] and [[Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights]] articles? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

::It sounds to me like we can use that image. They seem to just be saying that although the images is CC licensed, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg still has legal claim on his likeness. This is nothing new, since every photograph of a person is like this. It should be fine to go for it.
::I wasn't aware of those pages needing it, but yes, I can probably do it. Doing this takes a fair amount of time, but also I need preview frequently. Right now, I'me getting 500 errors about 60% of the time, so I can't count on it lot loosing my work. (Submitting this took 3 tries and 2 minutes) Once things stabilize, I'll give it a go. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:51, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::BTW, I learned recently that if you make an edit and the internal server error (why in the world is it happening so much now?) come on, you can just press the refresh button and your edit will still be saved. You don't need to worry about your information being lost. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point! I've noticed that sometimes works, but I've had times when it doesn't. However, some browsers hold information from past pages. I'm using [[Vivaldi (web browser)|Vivaldi]], which does this. In case of a 500 error, I can just hit back and it instantly loads back the past (edit) page with my edits. I think a number of them do this, including Firefox. I don't know if this works for you.
::::Conservative thinks its due to D/DoS attacks--I don't know if this is the case or not, but it could be. The server responds, but there seems to be some problem in the server's internal services; download requests are not handled properly. Sometimes the requests are not served at all, and other times an incomplete answer is provided. It sounds to me more like a problem with the server processing power or software. However, it could be a simple DoS/DDoS an attack. I have also noticed that certain queries available to the public on this site can take several minutes. Run 100 of those simultaneously, and it could load down the server too. Anyway, I've discontinued all my bot activity, which is about all I can do. It will clear up eventually. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::::David, in addition to the tables, would you please upload the image of Rees-Mogg for me? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

::::::There are still a lot of pending upload requests, but if you want me to do it so I will be liable, I suppose I can at some point. I'm busy putting out other fires at the moment. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:28, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

As requested, uploaded as [[:File:Official portrait of Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:45, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:10, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

== Move request ==

I hate to have four links starting with "Breitbart" leading to the same location, but would you please move [[Breitbart.com]] to [[Breitbart News]]? That is how they refer to themselves. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:07, 20 October 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, done! Four does seem like a bit much, but this is a good suggestion. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:10, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

Hello DavidB4, I have some more requests:
*Please move [[:Category:2016 presidential election]] to [[:Category:2016 Presidential Election]], and please use your bot to change the category name in the individual articles with it
::Done, but [[Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow]] is protected and could not be moved
*Please do the exact same thing with [[:Category:American war heroes]], [[:Category:Population politics]], [[:Category:United States Air Force aircraft]], [[:Category:Heads of government]], and [[:Category:Current Heads of government]].
::Done!
*Please move [[:Category:Neoconservative]] to [[:Category:Neoconservatives]], and use your bot to move the individual articles.
*Please movie [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] to the more recognizable name of [[:File:European Union flag.png]], and then please move the name on the linked articles
If There are any protected pages/files in any of the categories, I will ask Andy afterward to move them, as well as to delete the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)
:In addition to my above requests, do you know how to get the table at [[Conservative news websites]] to show up at the top of the article? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:57, 24 November 2017 (EST)
::It seems the table was not closed properly, so the Wiki was confused--I've fixed that. I'll move those pages soon, but this is a very busy week for me, so it may take a little time. Feel free to remind me if I don't do them in a few days. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::Also, it appears that [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] is protected, so I cannot move it. It will need to be unlocked first, which I have requested. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 27 November 2017 (EST)

:::I think that's everything, except for some [[User_talk:Aschlafly#More_delete_requests|pending unlock requests]]. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:55, 1 December 2017 (EST)
::::If you would move [[:File:Gwtgg.jpg]] and [[:File:786980.jpg]] (as well as the code on the articles they are linked on) to titles that make sense before Andy re-protects them, I would appreciate that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::::I wanted to do just that, and said as much to Andy. However, unlike the others which he completely unlocked, he left move protection on those files, so I'm assuming that he does not want them moved. I can't, so I didn't. It's a good suggestion, though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[The Battle of Sunshine Church]] to [[Battle of Sunshine Church]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:40, 6 December 2017 (EST)

Should [[Worst Liberal Video Games]] be moved to an essay? The other "Best" and "worst" articles are essays, so it might make sense to move this. Also, this article has no categories. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:Yes, [[:Category:Video Games]] should be added to it at the very least. It was your discovery, so I'll leave the categorization to you. Moving this page to essay namespace makes sense to me--"best" and "worst" are very subjective, so I see no reason not to move this. However, since it is a higher-traffic page, I wonder if the move template should be placed on it first for a little while so people have time to comment and discuss it if they want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::It might be a good idea, though at the same time, I'm sure that most page viewers don't have editing accounts. By the way, I just saw that [[Greatest Conservative Video Games]] also exists, with the same problems as the other page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:59, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:::Fair enough--I've moved both of them. I'll leave the redirects, though, to help channel the traffic. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::::Thanks. I agree about keeping the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Please move [[:Category:Rothschild family]] so "family" is capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 31 December 2017 (EST)

:I would have assumed that "family" would not be part of the proper noun on this. Have they become so well know that it has, though? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:27, 31 December 2017 (EST)
::Either way, it's a category, so per the naming convention, "family" should be capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. I'm not sure why I missed that this was a category when I asked that. Anyway, I did your suggested move as you've already seen, though I missed deleting the redirect. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 2 January 2018 (EST)

==Thanks for the message==
To David,
Thank you for your reminder. I will add them up as soon as possible. There are some sources that are conservative but in foreign languages, I will add them as soon as possible.

:Okay, thank you! Even if in a foreign language, it would be a good idea to include them...They were your information source, so they deserve credit. Anyway, you probably know all this--I just figured I'd mention it. Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:35, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

== Dealing with Hahalongboy ==

David: I am puzzled by your note on Hahalongboy's talk page. It looks as thought you may be taunting him. I would advise against this sort of thing.

Now I now nothing about what he is actually doing, or what the "Swans" band is, other than that it's pretty obvious I would never want to hear their "noise rock" (whatever that is) music. And I do not know what the "meme" is that you are talking about. That said, it seems that either
*You find his behavior utterly unacceptable, in which case you should revert or delete it, and block him, or
*You actually want to engage with him on the subject.
I would guess that it's the latter, since you know perfectly well how to block people. If so, I found what you wrote to be a bit impolite. If you can discuss with him how he can improve his writing, please do so.

You do not strike me as an impolite person, which is why I am puzzled that you seem to be speaking in riddles

There are people here who block people with incredibly impolite comments, often along the lines of "You just proved that we [presumably the Conservapedia editor community] are right about what liberals [of which you presumably are one] do." But you are not that kind of person.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:04, 3 December 2017 (EST)

:It was not my intent to specifically taunt him/her. However, they are clearly fooling around. "Haha Long Boy" is a harmless but pretty much meaningless "meme" (see: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/long-boy) which was popular among certain millennials about a year ago. On their profile page they put the grammatical equivalent of "XD" which is supposed to represent a face with mouth open and eyes tightly closed in laughter. This user is not being overtly harmful, so I was granting them the benefit of the doubt. However, in response to their goofy (childish?) behavior, I decided to "toss it right back" to them and see what happened. I suspect this is a troll, but I don't know yet. It is my intent to not be unduely hostile, but to learn their intent at the same time.
:Thanks for the feedback, though. I didn't say more to them at the time because I was still trying to determine their intentions, and didn't want to waste time on a troll. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:18, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::Fair enough. You obviously know way more about this than I do. I'll butt out now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:32, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::I sometimes pick up strange knowledge which actually proves useful. I've seen this kind of clowning around on another site I administrate, too. I usually don't engage them, but decided to give this one a try. As you probably saw, I did decide, following your comment, that I should leave a proper welcome. It never hurts, so thanks for nudge! Anyway, Conservative decided to nuke things, so I guess he decided there is nothing to be gained from it. 
:::Feel free to comment/interject/suggest/complain any time though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:45, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Image licensing ==

Hello David, I want to upload [https://www.flickr.com/photos/135638414@N02/20882496641/in/album-72157655419191143/ this image], but on the right-hand side, it says "All Rights Reserved." Does this mean I cannot upload the image? Or is it a good idea to ask the Lt. Gov. office or Patrick's campaign for permission to use it? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:09, 17 December 2017 (EST)

:Hi, It could be argued that to reuse it would be permitted under the fair use exception, but I try to avoid that here in particular. On Flickr, users specifically manage licenses, so this appears to be a deliberate act to restrict reuse. To honor that wish, I try not to use them. However, Fair Use is widely interpreted different ways...some might see it as completely fine in this case. It sounds like neither of us are confident it is acceptable, so probably you'd best skip it or ask them.
:This image looks suspiciously like it could be a government-produced image--I wonder if it could be found elsewhere with more information. If the government made it, then it's in the public domain. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:20, 19 December 2017 (EST)
::Does this also apply for state government photos? I know (partially from experience) that Wikipedia frequently deletes what official state government images (found on state government websites), allegedly due to not being free to use. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:26, 19 December 2017 (EST)

:::You're right--some states do hold copyrights, while others release all right to the public. It goes state-by-state, and I couldn't find anything on Texas specifically. So asking them would probably be the best option. Thanks for pointing that out--I was oblivious of that until now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:40, 19 December 2017 (EST)

I contacted the Office of the Lieutenant Governor Friday, and I am awaiting a response. On a different topic, please delete the redirect "Great Persecution" and move the article [[Diocletian persecution]] to it. The most common names for the persecution are either "Great Persecution" or "Diocletianic Persecution", and the current name is neither of these two. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:06, 24 December 2017 (EST)

:Okay, thanks for the heads-up. I've moved the page as requested also. Have a merry Christmas! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:21, 24 December 2017 (EST)
::Merry Christmas to you too! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 24 December 2017 (EST)

== Hi ==

So, I'm an editor on the English Wikipedia, and noticed you put a help message on my talk page back in April. I may want to start editing here. Is the Wikitext the same base language? And what would you reccommend I do to get started? Thank's, [[User:Adotchar|Adotchar]] ([[User talk:Adotchar|talk]]) 19:16, 18 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! We do use the same basic wiki language. We use MediaWiki, which is produced by the WikiMedia Foundation. A page on the basics is [[Help:How to edit a website like Conservapedia|here]], but if you know how to edit on WP, you should be all set for editing here. A basic summary of who we are and what we do is [[Conservapedia:Quick reference|here]], but an extensive guide is available [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages|in our manual of style]]. Lastly, here are our [[Conservapedia:Commandments|rules]] and our [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guidelines]].
:I know that's a lot of material, but hopefully some of it will be helpful. Other than reading up on any (or all) of that, just find something which needs improvement or creation, and edit it! Cite your sources, try to keep in uniform style, and avoid a liberal point of view. We do not specifically have a NPoV rule, so a "conservative bias" is permissible when it is supported by evidence. Otherwise, the safe option is to keep it neutral. You should also have the ability to create pages by yourself, without requesting permission.
:You can discuss possible changes on talk pages, and may want to do so for larger changes, especially on larger, more popular pages. However, this is not required. For the most part, it has been my experience that others leave you alone while you edit, unless they see an obvious problem.
:If you have any questions, you can always ask me, or you can try asking everyone on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|community portal]]. I think that just about covers it, but if I missed something or if you have any other questions, I'm happy to help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:12, 19 December 2017 (EST)

== Merging ==

Hello DavidB4, I noticed that we have two categories for the [[Tea Party Movement]]: [[:Category:Tea Party Movement]] and [[:Category:Tea Party]]. Do you agree that these should be merged?

Also, I think I mentioned to you sometime earlier about possibly merging [[Republicanism]] with [[Republican form of government]]. I will look into that soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:44, 27 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! Those do sound like good candidates to be merged--go for it! You did mention the "Republicanism" category issue, too. I would be fine with that merge as well. Thanks for doing clean-up! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)

== New Essay ==

I was thinking that this site needs a new essay on how Christians display morals and values that are antithetical to mainstream culture and all of its vices. Look at this article from the Babylon Bee:

http://babylonbee.com/news/another-actress-accuses-kirk-cameron-treating-respect/

It's pretty hilarious considering all of the sex scandals that are going on in Hollywood these days. Kirk Cameron definitely stands out from mainstream Hollywood actors by being faithfully married to his wife Chelsea since 1991. If you notice, I added several Christian songs to the "Greatest Conservative Songs" that not only promote Christian values, but also are the antithesis of modern mainstream Hollywood and Liberal values. Shobson20 (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:That is a good article, and it would be great to have something written on it. If you would like to write an essay on the subject in general, go for it! It is amazing for foreign christian beliefs are to secular ones sometimes. People don't usually become Christians expecting to be come polar opposites of the norm, but through the work of God's spirit, they in many ways do. Then the world is shocked that these Christians do respect people, abut do not engage in their vices. Many of the world's problems (drunk driving, sexually transmitted diseases, selfishness leading to communist leanings, unwanted pregnancies and single parenthood, etc.) are largely eliminated by the Christian lifestyle. I would be interested in reading an essay on this general topic, if you write one!
:Just go ahead and pick a title, then create the page and write it! As long as it holds to Conservapdia's "[[Conservapedia:Commandments|commandments]]," you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want with it. (Rule #5 does not apply on essay either, though I personally prefer to let the reader make some informed decisions of their own.)
:There might also be some article on the issue of sex scandals, though the only page I could find on the subject was "[[Atheism and sexual immorality]]". This article and a related blurb might be something which could benefit such a page. It would not be opinion, but verifiable fact. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:56, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular Here is the new essay, I would like input from other Conservapedians, so anything you could do to increase the visibility of this page would be appreciated. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 10:28, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::Essays are typically edited only by the author, unless a special exception in made. Therefore, out of respect for your work, people will probably do no more that comment on the talk page. Is this what you want, or would you prefer this to be an open page, like [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs]]? IF it is open to anyone, you may want to specify this at the top of it, or at least on the talk page.
:::As for getting input from others, I've had limited success doing this in the past, unfortunately. However, one thing you could try is posting about it on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]] to see if anyone has input. I see that 1990'sguy has [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular&curid=148244&diff=1394532&oldid=1394529 already chipped in], too which is good! It seems he has understood your intent for this to be an open essay, as I suspect you want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Potential edit war ==

On this page: http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies MacTavish moved Home Alone 2 to the "Debatable Whether Great Section" and personally accused the movie makers of having "Hollywood Greed." I think that statement is too vindictive and accusatory, so I changed it, but he's probably going to change it back. I don't think his statement is appropriate for CP.

:I recommend either going to the essay's talk page or MacTavish's talk page and talking it out. It's the best way to solve conflicts like this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::Agreed, that's the place to discuss it, since interested people are more likely to see it. I'm happy to weigh in though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:08, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::He just removed my message from his talk page [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 01:28, 29 December 2017 (EST)

::::So I see--that does seem a little odd.
::::I don't see why it should be "debatable," but here we are debating it, so perhaps it does belong in that section. I was hoping we might be a response from him, but I guess he doesn't feel like talking. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:01, 29 December 2017 (EST)

== Greeting for new editors ==

You did a fantastic job as far as creating the updated greeting for new editors. It looks great.

Thanks for using a few of my tips regarding the color scheme. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:05, 29 December 2017 (EST)

:You're welcome, and thanks for the suggestions! It's still not perfect, but it seems pretty good to me. I'd also like to automate the entire thing, so it auto-fills username, signature, etc. but so far haven't been able to do it quite right. At least it works manually though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (EST)

== comment about my account ==

Although I have done most of my work on one particular page, that is because I only recently updated my account.

If you will check my user history, I recently updated the article for Atlanta Hawks (providing a brief history of the team's origins and many relocations) and also for the Atlanta article (updating a very old article to reflect a change in sports team status since the Atlanta Thrashers have relocated to Winnipeg, and to also mention a prior NHL franchise in Atlanta which also moved).

My plan is to ultimately moved articles that I have written on your competitor's website (one of which was flagged for "notability" solely because it involved a derivative work of a Christian novel whereas other similar articles were not, clearly showing their liberal bias) to this one (your guidelines say that I can do so if the work is mine). The article I wrote here is one, about a novel by one of the more prolific Christian fiction writers, that would be likely deleted there because of their anti-Christian bias.

[[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:13, 8 January 2018 (EST)

:I have responded to you on this page: [[Talk:The Chance (Karen Kingsbury book)]]. In short, I made a mistake (two actually) and you are more than welcome to publish this material here. For some reason I don't quite understand, we don't really used "AFD" pages anymore even though our templates link to them, so I also linked to that AFD page from the talk page. I apologize for this mix-up--let me know if there anything helpful I can do for a change. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (EST)

== Image copyright (2) ==

Hello David, would you please check and see whether it is OK to upload these two photos? The licensing for these two is a bit confusing: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitlermusso2_edit.jpg][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Benito_Mussolini_Roman_Salute.jpg] If it happens that it's OK to upload them, would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 15 January 2018 (EST)

:Familiar with seeing one or maybe tow license templates, I was chuckling by the end of the first image's page, having seen 5 of them, along with two others. What a mess! As best I can tell, they really don't know. I think one of their many templates summed it up best "This image may not have the proper copyright or licensing information, or there is a conflict of license." I can't say what they are licensed as, so I wouldn't try anything but "Fair use." You might be able to get away with "Fair Use," but since I can't even figure out where these came from, I wouldn't try. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:37, 16 January 2018 (EST)

::Honestly, I really want to upload these photos, so if there's any way to upload them, I will take that way. However, I'm short on time, so I won't deal with that for now. Maybe I'll ask Andy later.

::BTW, would you please upload these two images: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WWII,_Europe,_Germany,_%22Nazi_Hierarchy,_Hitler,_Goering,_Goebbels,_Hess%22,_The_Desperate_Years_p143_-_NARA_-_196509.jpg][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H12148,_N%C3%BCrnberg,_Reichsparteitag.jpg] The first one wouldn't upload because it said that I did not add an image though I did. Maybe it will work with you? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:46, 16 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to those images, please move [[:Category:Homosexual activists]] in order to capitalize the "a". Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 17 January 2018 (EST)

::::I just tried all the basic upload tricks, and nothing worked. I'm not just talking about these images either--I simply can't upload anything. It looks like a bug to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:36, 17 January 2018 (EST)

:::Sorry to keep piling on requests -- I know you're probably as busy as me -- but posting them here at least help me to remember them so I can focus on content in the little time I have. I am very tempted to delete this newly-created article, as this person does not appear to be notable (only a singer from Puerto Rico, does not even have his own Wikipedia page). I would appreciate your input. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:13, 18 January 2018 (EST)

::::No apology needed! I've moved the category, as requested.
::::"Darell" is clearly a page needing attention. You can see the style issues, and the name should obviously be changes also. Those issues aside, I don't know anything about him, and can find only a little information about him elsewhere online. It doesn't seem to be a made-up topic, but almost everything about him is written in Spanish, so I can't verify accuracy. Since we don't have a specific "notability" policy, and this page does seem to be composed of original content, I probably would just improve it and leave it be. However, it could be that this is a promotion attempt, in which case it warrants deletion. I just don't know for sure, so I am hesitant to wipe it out. Please see the note on this topic in my e-mail, also. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 18 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Also, thanks for cleaning up that redirect I forgot about! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[Lazarus (Parable)]] to [[Lazarus and the Rich Man]], as it is a better title. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2018 (EST)

:Moved as requested. I'm indecisive as to whether leaving the redirect would be beneficial or not, so since in doubt, I left it. You can delete that if you want, it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:07, 21 January 2018 (EST)
::I think keeping the redirect is fine. BTW, would you please take care of [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TerryH&diff=1400544&oldid=1391663 this], unless someone else does it first? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:50, 25 January 2018 (EST)
:::Also, what do you think of Grace's edits in the [[Homophobia]] article? Do you think it's good, or is the intro section too short now? I would appreciate a second opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (EST)

::::I am not especially comfortable doing the merge since I know nothing about the gentleman, but if no one else does, I suppose I can try to merge them. I think the homophobia intro was much better, but needed to actually specify the intended meaning of the term. I've added a sentence explaining this, and I think it's probably fine now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:19, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Should we move the article [[Christmas and Easter Catholic]] to "Christmas and Easter Christian", or should we create a new article with that title? I would imagine that the two terms are independently notable, but I could be wrong (and the editor who brought it up was not pleased at my response). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:35, 31 January 2018 (EST)

:I don't know Catholicism very well, but these do seem similar to me. I just don't know if under their works-based salvation, there is some special obligation or rule that does not apply to Protestantism. Either way, whether a "mass" or a "service," this does seem to be a similar issue though. As for the name(s), I'm inclined to think that if there is a significant difference, this naming scheme is fine. However, it is a little odd to have one page an not the other. If we are only going to gave one, perhaps a more generic name would be appropriate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
::OK. If you think it's best that we move the article, please do so since I can't do it myself. Otherwise, we can create a new article. Either way -- it was Quidam65 who brought it up. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:09, 31 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to the email I sent you a few days ago, would you please look over the article [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]] (title, layout)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:49, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I'm no expert--if you think separating the pages them is better, that's fine with me. You probably have a better idea than I do. Anyway, I've posted on the talk page to see if anyone else has anything to say, first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I will review that page, and look back at my e-mails. I must have missed it, because I wasn't aware of anything outstanding. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Regarding [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]], the title is cumbersome, but I have no better suggestions. I did revise the section titles, and reworded a couple things. Additionally, the intro is a little shorter than I would like, while the following section is the opposite. Other than that, the only issue I noticed was that there are spaces before the references. I didn't bother fix them, though--my bot will fix those on its next sweep. Also, I found your e-mail and will be in touch. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:06, 1 February 2018 (EST)

== More requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move these categories to fix their cases: [[:Category:Victims of homo-fascism]], [[:Category:Economic history]]. Also, I reminded Andy to unlock the images you requested. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:19, 3 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check [[:File:Miklós Horthy.jpg]]? On [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg the original file], it states that "you must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." Would you please make sure the file I uploaded meets that requirement? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:22, 4 February 2018 (EST)

::Andy unlocked the files required for me to do the first requests, so I will be completing those soon. As for this image, I think what you have done will keep us all out of trouble. However, a couple minor things: 
::Images in the public domain can be used any way we want, without attribution--they are public property. However, as a courtesy to our sources, and to demonstrate to others that we have the legal rights to use them, it is CP (and WP) policy to explain briefly. What you have entered is a good explanation, but I would say that the author is the U.S. Federal Government, not Cserlajos. If you want to give that person credit, you could note that Cserlajos digitized the photo, though. Lastly, we have [[Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style/Images|a list]] of templates for images which state the applicable licenses. You are not obligated to use these (very few editors here do) but they are available if you want to make things a little fancier. In this case, I would probably add the following to the top of the image page. This is entirely your choice, though. 
::<code><nowiki>{{USGovt tag</nowiki></code> 
::<code><nowiki>|source=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg}}</nowiki></code>
::I hope this helps--let me know if anything is unclear! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:14, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::I did what you recommended. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:19, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::Looks good to me! I actually am waiting on one more unlock before I can do that last move (there is cascading protection locking it) so I will finish that later. Also, thanks for reminding Andy about the older unlock requests of mine! I'd lost track of them as well, so it might have been awhile before I remembered them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:27, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::::Done! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:20, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Would you please take a look at the article [[Homosexual Fascists]]? As I pointed out on the article talk page, the article throws the term "fascist" around too freely, and it labels (to the point of slander) people like Jorg Haider "fascists" (though Haider supported a more limited federal Austrian government). Is there anything to do about this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check the page [[Arius Raposas]]? Is it genuine or appropriate to keep? The account that created it is called "Athanasius", so it's odd that they created an article about an "Arius", but about someone totally unrelated to the fourth-century heretic. Checking that page is also relevant to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Historian&curid=126238&diff=1403171&oldid=1278122 this edit].
:Also, what do you think about User:Cantante's pages? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:02, 7 February 2018 (EST)

::I'm not a historian, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of [[Homosexual Fascists]]. I do hope that communism and fascism were not confused with each other, since they ultimately manifest themselves in similar ways. I am also a little concerned about the use of a Huffington Post article as a positive reference. I wish I could help more, but I really don't know much in this area. It certainly is a favorite thing as of late for liberals to throw around the term in psychological projection.
::[[Arius Raposas]] looks like an advertising attempt. CP already shows as #1 result on several search engines for him, because the other results are apparently less reputable. You can see some more info about him on his LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arius-raposas where you can also see that he only had 59 connections. I say deleted it.
::Regarding [[User:Cantante]], I can't tell if these are good faith edits or not. It might be that s/he is writing about their favorite amateur rappers, or it could be that this is a promotion attempt. Either way, I doubt these pages are going to be of much value to CP. I just don't want to wipe them out if this is a good faith editor. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:36, 7 February 2018 (EST)

:::For the Arius Raposas article, I would say definite delete (though I won't do it until you're confident it should be deleted). At the very least, User:Cantante's articles should be trimmed and improved, though I wouldn't mind deleting them (if he complains, we can restore them). Again, I don't want to do this without you agreeing.
:::For the homosexual fascist article, '''at least''' the title should be changed. I wrote CP's article on Haider a while back, and he's not a fascist (and whether he was even a homosexual is in dispute -- he had a wife). It is true, though, that the Left hated him while he was alive. The article could be used to show left-wing hypocrisy on this matter, by showing that homosexuality was widespread even among people they didn't like (or something like that), but in its current form, it reads like a socially-conservative John McCain (though that sounds like an oxymoron) wrote the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 7 February 2018 (EST)
:::Sorry to keep posting stuff here, but in addition to the email I sent you, I would appreciate it if you would check the article [[Covenant Christian Coalition]] to see if it is plagiarized from Wikipedia or another website (it was created by yet another newly-registered editor). I recommend deleting the Arius article and asking Cantante about the other two articles, with the intention to delete or trim/improve them if he doesn't respond. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:28, 8 February 2018 (EST)

::::You don't need to apologize, though I might need too--I'm not having enough time right now to deal with each issue promptly.
::::1. Arius Raposas: I'm not convinced it should be kept, but I'm waiting to hear back from him now. My own ignorance of these foreign websites might be the problem, but when I do a web search and find only CP and a bunch of social media accounts, I am not filled with confidence. It sounds more like someone trying to build an online presence than someone notable enough to have others research them.
::::2. Homosexual fascist: I will differ to your judgment on this then. It sounds like you know some more about at least Haider, while I really know nothing at all on the subject. I trust you know what you are talking about! :)
::::3. [[Covenant Christian Coalition]]: This looks like an expanded version of [https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Covenant_Christian_Coalition.html] this page. I've asked on the talk page about original authorship.
::::4. I will reply to your email soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Is it time to move [[Greatest conservative corporations]] and make it an essay? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:11, 14 February 2018 (EST)
:Probably. It seems no one else is particularly invested in that page anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::Would you then please move it now? I agree that we should keep the redirect. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. For some reason, I was thinking you were going to do it. I've moved it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:21, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::::I would if I could, but I don't have move rights, as you probably remember. Thanks anyway! I will reply to your latest email soon, when I get time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:44, 14 February 2018 (EST)

== Categories ==

Hello DavidB4, it seems that [[:Category:Unions]] and [[:Category:Labor Unions]] are duplicate categories. Is then OK if you merge them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2018 (EST)
:I also just found that we have duplicate articles [[Right to work]] and [[Right-to-work laws]].
:Also, [[Edwin R. Thiele]] and [[Edwin Thiele]] have not been merged yet. I would appreciate it if you would at least help do this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::The first two are done--good suggestions, thanks! The last one I suppose will attempt, but I know nothing about the man, so I'm afraid I will not do the article justice. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks. Maybe another editor is able and willing to do it. Would you please move the article [[Hilary Belloc]] per AlanE's edit summary comment in the article history? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:02, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::::Thanks for moving it. Would you please move the article [[The Forgotten Depression of 1920]] to [[Forgotten Depression of 1920]]? Also, [[Anti-Saloon league]] and [[Anti-Saloon League]] are (almost) duplicate articles which should be combined. The former link should redirect to the latter. Would you please do this? Also, while most of what I wrote in my latest email to you were just statements, I did ask you one question. I would appreciate it if you would reply even though it's not too important. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:02, 18 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Thanks for pointing out the Hilary Belloc issue--I was oblivious to the problem. I've also moved the 1920 page leaving the redirect, and replied to your email. I will work on merging this and perhaps the other article as time permits. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you, I will! [[User:Willow Smith|Willow Smith]] ([[User talk:Willow Smith|talk]]) 11:42, 21 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Conspiricy No. 5" ==

The actual name of the Third Day album is "Conspiracy No. 5". The original author simply misspelled it. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:13, 23 February 2018 (EST)

:Good catch! I've fixed it, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (EST)

== Request to merge pages ==

There are two pages with virtually identical headings and all with the same text (likely someone didn't know how to do a redirect page).

The pages are "Committee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist" and "Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Nyquist".

Request that one be made the main page and the other a redirect, to make Conservapedia better for all. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 14:25, 24 February 2018 (EST)

PS--Thanks for the fix on Conspiracy No. 5.

:Another good observation. I've redirected the latter to the former. Thanks for pointing this out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:02, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Castings Crowns(album)" ==

Again, another inadvertent misspelling (and grammatical error) by a well-meaning Conservapedian. The correct title is "Casting Crowns (album)". [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 21:20, 27 February 2018 (EST)

:Thank you! I've fixed it, though there is no redirect so the old name will not work anymore. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:14, 27 February 2018 (EST)

== Response to inquiry on redirect pages ==

In response to your inquiry, most of those "articles" are barely one sentence. That may be suitable for a dictionary but not for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, most of those "articles" did little more than discuss a subcomponent of the larger topic, such as your concerns about the various "bankruptcy" titled ones.

What I did, which I believe makes Conservapedia a much better site, is to consolidate all those smaller articles into one, more comprehensive one, which contains all pertinent information related to a topic. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:12, 2 March 2018 (EST)

:That makes sense I suppose, and we do discourage "stub" articles. However, it is also generally frowned upon to replace articles with redirects. This should be done with caution, if at all, and all material must be saved. I will look more into it, but please do be careful about this. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:57, 5 March 2018 (EST)

== Yet another merger candidate ==

There are two similarly named articles. One is titled "Internet Crime" (note the capitalization) and contains a significant amount of information. The other is titled "Internet crime" and has virtually nothing in it (the history only shows two changes, one to create it in 2009 and the other to lock it almost immediately thereafter). My suggestion is to unlock the empty article (which you admins can do) and turn it into a redirect page. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

:What I'm seeing is a redirect under the name [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crime&redirect=no Internet crime] which points to [[Internet Crime]]. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crimes&redirect=no Internet crimes] is an identical redirect, also. Am I missing something? I don't see a protect page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

::Here's another category that could be merged: [[:Category:Supreme Court]] and [[:Category:United States Supreme Court]]. We could make the first category a parent category of the second one, since we have the general article [[Supreme Court]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:38, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Yes, that's another good one suggestion. Probably we should make [[:Category:Supreme Court]] the parent, then sort out the entries inside of it to be accurate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:23, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

== The Internet crime mystery--solved (?) ==

OK I figured out what is happening. It is a category titled "Internet crime" which is locked and has no pages showing it as a category. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 10:16, 10 March 2018 (EST)

== Thanks for the server update ==

It is greatly appreciated. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 18:04, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

==Hacker keeps removing [[Andy Clay Harris]]==
I have returned it three times to the board. The hacker uses the name MatthewLClark.
Please block him. This is the text he keeps removing:
''<nowiki>
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| birth_date=September 1, 1961
| birth_place=Resident of 
[[Bossier City]], [[Louisiana]]
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| party=[[Republican Party|Republican]]
| religion=Assembly of God [[clergy]]man
| spouse=Sheryl Lynn Harris 
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'''Andy Clay Harris''' (born September 1, 1961)<ref name=mylife.com>{{cite web|url=https://www.mylife.com/andrew-harris/harris3768r|title=Andy Harris (Clay)|publisher=Mylife.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> is an Assemblies of God pastor from [[Bossier City]] in northwestern [[Louisiana]], whose former congregation, The Church of the Cross, erected in 2009 a 199-foot [[Christian]] cross on the grounds of its sanctuary in Haughton. The silver cross is seen from various points about U.S. Highway 80.

The son of a Bossier City builder-father and teacher-mother, Harris graduated from Bossier High School in 1979. He studied at the Southwestern Assemblies of God University<ref name=intelius>{{cite web|url=https://www.intelius.com/people-search/Andy-C-Harris/Bossier%20city-LA|title=Andy Harris: Bossier City, LA|publisher=Intelius.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> in Waxahachie, [[Texas]], the alma mater of the famous pastor [[John C. Hagee]] of [[San Antonio]], Texas. For a time, he was on the staff of ''The Gurdon Times'' in Arkadelphia, [[Arkansas]]. He also lived for a time, dates unavailable but prior to 1996, in [[Carson City]], [[Nevada]]; Miami, [[Oklahoma]], and Sarepta in Webster Parish, Louisiana.<ref name=intelius/> Harris completed an internship at his home congregation, the Broadmoor Assembly of God in [[Shreveport]] and was ordained into the ministry in 1985.<ref name=arrest>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/crime/2018/03/09/benton-man-arrested-possession-meth/410682002/|title=Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|author=Nick Wooten|date=March 9, 2018|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref>

On March 7, 2018, Harris was arrested at his home for possession of [[methamphetamine]]s and drug paraphernalia and booked in the Bossier Maximum Security Facility, at which he posted a $5,000 bail. He accepted the pastorate of The Church of the Cross in 1996 and resigned after more than twenty-one years amid the arrest.<ref name=arrest/> He reportedly earned between $100,000 and $150,000.<ref name=mylife.com/> Police said that Harris was questioned on another unrelated, undisclosed matter when Harris revealed the drugs he had. Police found 3.5 grams of meth, a smoking device, and a snorting straw.<ref name=arrest/>

A [[Republican Party|Republican]],<ref name=mylife.com/> Harris was pictured in ''The Shreveport Times'' with current state Senator [[Ryan Gatti]] of Bossier City and Louisiana Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser.<ref name=arrest/>

On the Sunday after his resignation as pastor, a letter from Harris was read to the congregation. He described his time at The Church of the Cross as one of "faith and victory" and long-term friendships with members who were "[[Salvation|saved]], healed, and filled by the [[Holy Spirit]]. We have loved and felt love by you all."<ref name=pastor>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2018/03/12/arrested-pastor-former-congregation-forgive-me/416277002/
|title=Arrested pastor to former congregation: forgive me|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|date=March 12, 2018|author=Nick Wooten|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> Harris described his recent years in the ministry as like being in "a pressure cooker" with betrayals, sickness, and family issues. Harris continued, "A few months ago in a time of weakness I attempted to ease the pain in the way. I have [[sin]]ned, and I have [[God|the Lord]] to forgive me. I have asked my family to forgive me. And I am asking you all -- all of you-- to forgive me. ... Pray all the good the Lord has done through us will outshine the bad [[Satan|the devil]] has done to us."<ref name=pastor/>

Doyle Dempsey, the secretary-treasurer of The Church of the Cross, described his broken heartedness, "Although we do not condone his behavior in this matter, we are all eternally grateful to Pastor Harris for his years of dedicated service to this church body. ... We are all just mortal men. One decision away from sudden destruction."<ref name=pastor/>

In the wake of Harris' departure, the pastoral staff will rotate the ministerial duties pending the call of a new pastor.<ref name=pastor/>
</nowiki>''

David, someone else appears to have corrected the problem and identified the hacker. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:30, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

:I'm glad it was taken care if quickly! That actually wasn't even hacking. They just created a user account and deleted the page contents. Do feel free to let me know if this happens again, but don't worry--it's easy to fix. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:22, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

== Great work on block and reverts ==
Thanks for the quick work on blocking and reverting the vandal!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:56, 17 March 2018 (EDT)
:Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:25, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

== Need to update article title ==

The article title for Wally Amos Criswell needs to be changed.

First, the proper spelling of his first name was Wallie. Second, he was always better known by his initials, W.A. Therefore, I suggest that the title be changed to W.A. Criswell. [[User:Bcarlin|Bcarlin]] ([[User talk:Bcarlin|talk]]) 23:05, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

:Thank you, Quidam65, but Conservapedia forbids the use of "sock puppet" accounts. Please sort out your issues with the administration, rather than just trying to around them. I have fixed this issue you mentioned. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:32, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

::Would you please move the article [[Sebastian Pinera]] to [[Sebastián Piñera]], since this title has the proper punctuation? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:19, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Done. I'm leaving the redirect, since most people don't have "á" and "ñ" on their keyboards. Good idea! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

== Thanks for your help ==

Thank you for your help, DavidB4! Also, I apologize: I accidentally added two posts that were nearly identical to the Aschlafly "talk" page. Sorry for the mistake! {{unsigned|Questions}}
:You're welcome! [[User:1990'sguy]] already fixed the issue, so you should be all set. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:04, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

== Few Things ==

Hey, I have a few questions... First, how does one become a sysop or "get promoted"?... I am also on the site that shall not be named, and becoming a sysop there was relatively easy.
Also, I want to add images to my articles, @1990's guy gave me a link to make a request, but it didn't work and also, I am wondering if there is an easier way? I think that Conservapedia suffers greatly from the lack of illustrations. Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 00:53, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! Regarding your first question, there is no published criteria for promotion. Rather, editors who have shown themselves reliable and well-meaning are occasionally promoted, as they are decided to have earned the privilege. As overall membership grows and changes, these "Assistant Sysops" may be promoted to full administrators. However, this is rare, and has not happened to anyone in the 2.5 years I have been here. It is quite rare.
:As for image uploads, the standard was for you to do this is to post your requests on [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests|this page]] (provide the link to the wanted images). If you stay with us for a while and prove yourself, you may eventually receive the privilege to do it yourself. However, users do not start out with this ability, since some users may upload images which are either protected by license, or inappropriate. Considering the amount of vandalism we see at times, this seems to be the reasonable option to me, although I know it can be annoying. I spent a while requesting uploads before I was granted the ability to upload directly.
:In short, these "lower" promotions do often come to editors who prove themselves, but it takes time and effort. Higher promotions (such as to the administrator level) are quite rare, even when there are candidates who could quality. At least most of us, if not all, are here to improve the CP, rather than to play the internal political system to earn promotion and status. Understand that to be promoted to full Administrator is rare, and very unlikely for someone who has recently joined. At any level, promotions can be considered a privilege, but not a right.
:If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 04:19, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

::Hey, for one, how do I determine if an image is free of copyright or not? Can I use Google Images? 2)How do I recommend it on that article? Do I simply copy paste a link to the image? Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 14:26, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:::You need to look for images which are in the [[public domain]] or under a [[Creative Commons]] license. Here are some places I like to look for good, usable images:
:::*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr.com]
:::*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons]
:::*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:::*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
:::*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]

:::If there are none available which fit these requirements, then we can only try to use them under "[[fair use]]." If you use Google or some other such search engine, you must go to the actual website and find their licensing agreements, to ensure that they do not expressly prohibit retransmission and republishing. "Fair use" is a last resort, and we try to avoid using this claim as much as possible, since it is difficult to legally define.
:::You copy and paste the link to the file you want onto the [[CP:IUR]] page, and sign at the end of the request. Typically, it is then reviewed and uploaded, and the uploader responds to the request with the file name on CP. The requesting user then goes and adds the image(s) to the page(s) they intended. You do not need to state what page the image is intended for in the upload request, though it doesn't hurt to do so, especially if we are going to be using it under "fair use." --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:13, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Hey David, I posted the new requests... Please, get to them as soon as you can, I tried my best to make them clear... If you need help understanding what I meant (unlikely), let me know. Thanks! --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:21, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:You request was perfectly clear. In case you haven't already noticed, I uploaded and added them. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:34, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== Micro evolution ==

Micro evolution is the change BELOW the species level, macro evolution is the one above... Both have been observed. Micro evolution WILL ALWAYS lead to macro evolution GIVEN SUFFICENT TIME...

Here... This guy puts it simply... Watch these 2 videos. They are VERY entertaining, you will NOT be bored. He puts it simply. This will explain it in SIMPLE terms... Watch video number one AND THEN number 2... You will definitely change your POV a little at least...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnygS7opCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ilMYc5xdQ

--[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:11, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

:The arguments are not new. Here is a short article explaining the difference: http://www.icr.org/article/what-difference-between-macroevolution-microevolut/
:Now we get to things like:
:*Why are there really no confirmed transitional species? Why do scientists keep inventing them rather than finding them?
:*Why are we not burred up to our elbows in fossils from transition species?
:*Why is it that any significant evolution in the modern day is harmful? Just look at the miracle of the four-winged fruit fly, which has no muscles attached, so they greatly impede flight. On top of this, all other fruit flies refuse to mate with them, due to the mutation.
:*Does similarity really show common ancestry, or rather common designer?
:*Why did Darwin himself declare that his entire theory should be considered null and void if the cell was ever found to be anything more than an inert building block? (of course, he knew nothing about DNA, either)
:*Why do human genes most closely match those of a worm, not an ape?
:*Why do apes have more chromosomes that humans, rather than less, as the supposed progression would suggest?
:*Why is it that since the Cambrian explosion, there have been found no new ''species'' in the fossil record?
:*Why is it that the Cambrian explosion even occurred? There is nothing gradual about that...it's just *poof* all life appears on a formerly dead planet. The only evidence of life below the Cambrian layer are a few sponge embryos, which probably got there through contamination.
:*Are humans actually devolving?
:**Humans used to live much longer than they do now. For example, Neanderthals lived so long that their jaw and foreheads (which never stop growing) grew so much as to change their appearance
:**Human teeth used to heal, but no longer do
:**Some say that human brain cavities are actually shrinking, though I have not researched this to verify the claim
:**While medical science has improved our understanding of biology, things such as allergies seem to be much ore common in recent years. Are our immune systems forgetting how to tell friend from foe?
:*How is it that a team of monkeys with a typewriter are more likely to write out the entire library of congress in chronological order by accident, than a DNA strand is to accidentally form?

:The argument is always time. They count on there being at least some shadow of a doubt about how it is just slightly possible that given a few hundred millennia, xyz might happen. Now they can't even pretend the earth is old enough to prop up this ridiculous theory, so now they are hoping to find or invent some kind of "proof" that life started on another planet, preferably so far from earth that we have no way to study it.

:And by the way, I'm not a fan of "youtubers" who use poor video editing, interruptions, and all manner of other childish methods. There is nothing intellectual or scientific about the likes of these.

:There are so many things wrong with the theory of macroevolution, that I don't even know where to start. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:29, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Hello David, these two categories should probably be merged: [[:Category:DC]], [[:Category:Washington, DC]].

Also, these categories either should be moved (so they're capitalized) or deleted: [[:Category:Movies about Fathers and Sons]], [[:Category:Movies about fathers and daughters]], [[:Category:Movies about high school]], [[:Category:Movies about joining a clique]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:58, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

:I agree, and merged the two categories. The "DC" one is currently a redirect, though we could just delete that. Some of these other categories seem a little odd, such as "Movies about joining a clique" which only has two pages. However, there's no harm in keeping it I suppose. I'll move those soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:53, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
::Thanks! Would you please also take care of BHathorn's request [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Contact_Us&curid=45451&diff=1418798&oldid=1409729 here] to move the article [[Leroy Shafer]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:43, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Done, thanks for pointing it out! Thanks also for the deletions. I was planning to delete DC2 after a few days, but leave it a little while so as not to confuse Andy if he revisits it to restore protection. No matter, it needed to be deleted eventually anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:21, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

I've been busy letting you know about categories with improper capitalization, but I created (and didn't notice) the [[:Category:Donald Trump achievements]] category, which also needs the "A" capitalized. Would you please fix that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 11 May 2018 (EDT)
:Also, would you please move [[Iranian nuke deal]] to "Iran nuclear deal" (for which a redirect already exists)? The latter is a more common term and the former's wording is a bit awkward, I think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:07, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

::Done! It is sometimes surprising how easy it is to make a mistake that you are generally fixing after others make it... --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Thanks, and that's true. One thing: your bot made several unhelpful changes when it fixed the category, mainly by removing necessary "<nowiki> </nowiki>" tags and changing the "main article" template at the top to a format that doesn't suit the article. I reverted all those changes while keeping the constructive ones. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:40, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

::::I was just looking at your reversions. Sorry about that! I had a minor problem with the bot, and needed to revert to an earlier version of it. Unfortunately, I forgot to update the edit rules (and some code), so it did everything the original regex engine creator intended. I'll try to avoid that in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:43, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::::That's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:45, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move these two categories to fix their capitalization: [[:Category:English activists]], [[:Category:Counter-jihad activists]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:10, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:Would you also please move [[:Category:Self-defense]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:31, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

::Will do, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:07, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Finally done. Sorry for the wait! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks, and that's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:02, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the [[United Nations human rights council]] page over the rightly-capitalized [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council&redirect=no redirect]? Also, the page [[Human Rights Commission]] should be moved to [[United Nations Human Rights Commission]] (and also, the latter organization ceased to exist upon the council's creation, though the CP article doesn't show that). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:04, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

:I think those should be all set. The [[United Nations human rights council]] redirect could be deleted, but there are currently pages linking to that name, so corrections will be needed. I can do that later (if I'm not to scatter-brained to remember) or you can. Let me know if there's anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
::I think I fixed the rest of these issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:11, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

== Move request for California nebula ==

Could you move [[California nebula]] to [[Barnard's loop]]? I messed up and wrote it on the wrong page. [[User:FredericBernard|FredericBernard]] ([[User talk:FredericBernard|talk]]) 13:13, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

:Of course! I've moved the page, and removed the redirect since this was a mistake. (If you want a redirect, feel free to add one, though.) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:40, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

::Please move this page to an essay and delete the redirect (along with any other formatting/categories/etc.): [[The evil of the school system]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:53, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Done: [[Essay:The evil of the school system]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:21, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks! Would you also please check the essay for plagiarism (just to be safe)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:55, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::::I was going to say that it's a good idea regardless (one I should have thought of), but I actually found something. It appears that the essay is an expansion on this article: https://politicalfestdotblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/17/school-kids-are-usually-unhealthy/
:::::However, that is very much an unfinished site, so it may well have been created by the same person who posted this essay here. This text does not seem to exist on any other indexed pages on the Internet right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:43, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
::::::Oh, and the screen names posting the text on CP and the wordpress site are the same. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:03, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the article [[By-election]] to [[Special election]], which is the American term for the same concept? Also, would you please move [[:Category:List of Law Enforcement Agencies]] to [[:Category:Law Enforcement Agencies]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:51, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:In addition to the above, I would appreciate it if you would move the articles [[New Orleans Hornets]] and [[Charlotte Bobcats]] per the recent edits on it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:59, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

::I've done all but the category. I will do that one later, when I get the chance to set up the bot. I recommend leaving all of the redirect in place (except for the upcoming category one), but it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I agree -- leaving all the redirects is the best (and only reasonable) decision. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
::::Please also move the page [[Massresistence]] to [[MassResistance]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::Done, redirect left in place. Sorry for the wait, I have not been feeling well. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:36, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
::::::You're welcome, and I hope you're feeling better. However, the link above I suggested is still red. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:39, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, not so much I'm afraid. Perhaps I can blame that for this blunder?? ;)
:::::::It should be right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:53, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Would it be OK if you move [[Leftwing violence in the Trump era]] to [[Left-wing violence in the Trump era]], and fix the double redirects that will result from this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:35, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:It's probably fine. Maybe I should have posed a proposal first, but I just did it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:39, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

::Would you also please move [[:Category:Complex analysis]] to capitalize the "a" and delete the resulting redirect? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

:::Of course! Will do, but it might take a little while. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:06, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

::::In addition to the above, would you please move the [[Open ended questions]] article to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Open-ended_question&redirect=no Open-ended question] (now a redirect)? Pinley tried doing it manually, though we should move pages the correct way. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:08, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:::::Done. I'm working on transferring my bot to a new system, which is why I'm taking so long on the category moves. I will do it eventually, but I prefer to use the bot to do the hard work. Apologies for the wait on those! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:12, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Hi! A few things... I was wondering if you could move [[Primary sex characteristics]] to [[Primary sex characteristic]], since [[Secondary sex characteristic]] is singular. Additionally, [[Chartist movement]] should be merged with [[Chartism]]. Thanks! --[[User:Pinely|Pinely]] ([[User talk:Pinely|TALK]]) 23:45, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! I have moved that page as requested. I can do the merge later, but not right now. Thanks for the suggestions! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

==Re: Photo for Gandalf==
Hello, DavidB4: thanks for your informative messages on my talk page. I don't think that we'll be able to find a free alternative to New Line Cinema's copyrighted material, so could you upload an image under a rationale such as this?: '''This image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the film and does not limit New Line Cinema's ability to sell or show the film.''' In answer to your question, by the way, yes, I think I'd prefer a photo that's not quite so tight. ;)
—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 20:11, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

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== Question ==

What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not. I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

== move request / delete request ==

I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.

Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, the templates look right. I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages. I can move, but that's all. I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==

I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)

:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know. If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal. Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use." I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)

::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
:::Hmmm... good point. They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming it is "fair use." However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on. That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics. it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use. If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use. If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use. If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news." Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Conservapedia IRC channel ==

I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.

I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC. The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text. IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think. I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure. However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue. Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk. If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Oh! okay, will do. I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated. I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly. I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like. If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps. I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up. It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
:::::Thoughts? If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Image typo ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)

:Of course, moved as requested. I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)

== Merge cats? ==

Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])

Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

== Moving Pages ==

I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.

So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)

:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over. Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name? A redirect would work also, as 1990'sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus. In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::I'm still torn was to which is the better option. However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway. I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do. If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]]. I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)

::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name. Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that. An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed. I should have thought of that sooner. Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)

DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over. A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this. See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)

Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Anti-Trump" article ==

Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
:Done. Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one. I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same. Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)

--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

==Picture Upload Requests==

Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?

:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423

Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

I would be happy to, but first I need license information. unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright. Is this info available somewhere? If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr? Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg

:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great, yes I can do those right now. Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well. I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response. Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)

::Great! Okay, thanks! Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).

== Question ==

Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
:I don't see any significant issues. Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me. I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

== Opinion ==

Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. -Unsigned comment by Korvex

:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better. Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result. Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused. Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass. While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not. The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted -- [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

:Any time! As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic. Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place. Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP). We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either. We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too. Do you plan to write a page on the city? If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later. If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)

== Ref help and suggestion ==

I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).

In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)

:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki. I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do. This works, anyway.
:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot! Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart. It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this. It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page. So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page. I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)

==Regarding Ransomware==
I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
:2. Reinstalling Windows.
:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.

How deep would I have to go? The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned. I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sorry for the delayed response. You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning. Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on. Therefore, that is not an option. Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted. The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out. Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
:# Not going to work, as explained.
:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data. If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted. If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating. However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another. While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS. That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation. If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
:#Always a good idea! Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times. If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup. This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses. Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive. This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information. Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to. My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).

:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive. This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one. The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive. Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart. Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected. Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.

:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system. [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows. It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities. Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.

:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well? I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

==Congressman John Fleming==

I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great. Here are some good sources:
:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== Editor ==

Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed. I've messaged him as well. It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)

== Protection ==

The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection. I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do. Perhaps ask an a full admin? The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
:::That is probably the case. However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)

== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==

Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol. Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so I've done a little digging. While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]). I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot. The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like. It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms. Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)

== D.T. achievements article question ==

The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy. Load time depends on the number of images and templates. If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

::That's a good question, but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service. It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])
:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)

:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)

One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)

:I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

::They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

== Bye ==

It's been great knowing you. Are you from Chicago? I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state. If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago. Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
:I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here! You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
::He appears to have been some type of parodist.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:::Interesting. I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level. This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks. Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
::Clearly I missed that. Thanks for trying anyway....
::I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
:Thank you for your kind words.
:::BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
: I need someone to get rid of the title [[Joseph Belloc]] so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
::Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== Cleaning up after the blocked users ==

I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.

Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

:Thanks for checking! TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk. I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now. One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from [http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page this website]. You could also check for that, if you want and have not already. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
::Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned. Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked. At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere. His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

::::::I came in late in the game too. I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue. SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left. A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light. Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)

We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5. If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt|here]], including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this. Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle. :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
:In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.

:Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.

:I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

== I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below ==

I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.

If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.

=== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable? ===

{{welcome}}

Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?

The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.

Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki. I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki". But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.

Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".

The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes. I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
==== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ====

[[File:Plate of cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Conservative! I am [[User:This lousy T-shirt|This lousy T-shirt]] and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Knox490|your contributions]]. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], or feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:This lousy T-shirt|my talk page]] or type ''{{tl|helpme}}'' at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
* [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]]
* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
* [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
* [[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
* [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia].
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post. Again, welcome!

I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

:I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether. As time allows, I'll see what I can put together. Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
:::Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
::::I'll see what I can do. It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)

:::::::I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work. Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea. I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow. Maybe I can find a good shade combo though. Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

== Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page. Here is the updated version ==

Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: [https://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+basket&rlz=1C1PRFG_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHyI_c0trUAhUH0oMKHeMQDy4Q_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510#tbm=isch&q=welcome+fruit+basket Google images - Welcome fruit baskets]. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at: https://pixabay.com/en/photos/?hp=&image_type=&cat=&min_width=&min_height=&q=fruit+basket&order=

Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/similar/350093981

I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)

== Email ==

I sent you an email about a question I have. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:I sent you another one. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
::Replied --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)

I sent you an email several days ago, but you haven't responded. Maybe you didn't intend to, or you're taking your time to respond, but I just want to be sure you got it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:56, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

:I read it some time ago, but it seems I forgot to respond... My apologies! I've sent you a reply now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

I replied to your email (twice), but I received an automated email saying that my response was unable to reach you, saying it was a "permanent error" and (though it's hard to understand) that someone's IP address was blocked as spam for some reason. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:I did receive them both, and have replied. My spam filter has been a little on the fritz lately. Having my address publicly posted has enabled web spiders to scrape it, and sell my address to spammers. I can always change my address if it gets too annoying, but it hasn't really been a problem due to spam filtering. It seem I'll need to look into this, though. It has been flagging some messages from Conservative as spam, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:31, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

== Image question ==

I was also looking to add an image to [[Rare (company)]], hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:Hi,
:That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission. While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights. If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright. If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it. However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it. You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side. If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable. For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking. Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that [http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/XboxComTOU these terms] (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
::Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them. Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft. In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
:::I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan. It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== Gender ideology ==
Hi, you reverted my last contribution in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gender_ideology&diff=prev&oldid=1363294 here] that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --[[User:AK|AK]] ([[User talk:AK|talk]]) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
:BTW, I restored the page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
::Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake. I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990'sguy for restoring it! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)

== Move requests ==

I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: [[:Category:Globalist]] to [[:Category:Globalists]], and [[:Category:Nationalist]] to [[:Category:Nationalists]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
:Good suggestions--done. I can move the pages using my bot later. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)

Hello David, would you please move these two categories: [[:Category:Media personalities]] to [[:Category:Media Personalities]], and [[:Category:High schools]] to [[:Category:High Schools]]? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

:Done. The images in [[:Category:Media personalities]] were protected so they could not be moved. All the rest are taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thank you for your assistance. Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed". Please look at: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_achievements:_Criminal_justice,_law_enforcement,_and_other_DOJ_matters&diff=1368054&oldid=1368043 this proposal.] Many thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
:I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

== IP blocks ==

Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)

:It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
:If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright. I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies. Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses. These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more. They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.

== Copied article ==

A lot of the article [[Steppenwolf]] appears to be copied from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steppenwolf_(band)&oldid=796579357 the Wikipedia version]. Should it be deleted? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the [[Talk:Steppenwolf|talk page]] awhile back. I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person. I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)

== Delete article? ==

Should we delete this article: [[Julia Gasper]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized. I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your input ==

Is this a bad edit: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&curid=1989&diff=1374996&oldid=1262366]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
:I've been pondering the same question. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chivalry merriam-webster] doesn't really specify, although some other sites like [http://www.wordnik.com/words/chivalry wordnik] do. Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
:I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)

What do you think about this article? [[Peregrin Chronicles]]? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)

:I don't think I can be much help with this one either. I've never heard of the series before. It exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676468266/the-aliens-have-landed-the-peregrin-chronicles-com kickstarter] didn't get much support, either. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's another one: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_evangelism&curid=105140&diff=1375410&oldid=1271896] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help. A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid. However, I don't think that is the best place for it. In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|Abranch]] ([[User Abranch|TALK]]) Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)

:::That is exactly right--I'm glad to hear those are your beliefs! Admittedly, my experience with Campus Crusade is limited to contact with one local chapter. I've never gotten into the full organization, so it's possible that things were represented slightly differently to me than is typical. I also have been out of contact with them for a little while now. I will take a look at the page you revised at some point. Thanks for your contributions so far! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:24, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

Here's an article that might need a page move: [[Homework]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)

== Email spam? ==

Is my email address in your spam folder again? I sent you an email a few days ago and am curious at the lack of response (though it's not important anymore). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:16, 25 September 2017 (EDT)

:Yes, it seems your message got lost in the noise. I already have written some rules which should be allowing all messages from CP users, but for some reason it's not working quire right. My apologies! I've relied to your message, though as you said, it's a bit late now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

::Maybe it's the name I use for my email address, "1990" for the first name and "sguy" for the last name? I have had some minor problems with my CP/WP/etc. email address before. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

:::Yeah, I think that's it. A lot of "marketing" (spam) corporations like to use algorithmically generated names, containing numbers and other gibberish. I think a batch of rules I set up early-on (before I knew better) flagged addresses starting with numbers for that reason. I think I've cleared out the offending rules. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)

== Your welcome message ==

On the user talk page [[User talk:NeilG]], someone put your newly designed welcome/template message.

Please change the color of the blue background. The dark blue combined with the black text is not the easiest to read. There is not enough contrast between those colors.

As far as a color I suggest using some shade of yellow or possibly a creamy yellow color such as [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/66/18/3e6618ad619db4d45c168d4c8dd04ea4--dutch-boy-paint-colors-paint-colours.jpg THIS COLOR] or a light parchment color such as [http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Acrylic/DecoArt/Americana/Light-Parchment/Light-Parchment.gif THIS COLOR].

In short, the black type should be on a lighter background. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])

:Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't made any changes yet, but I just want to let you know I am playing with it. I was trying to stick with the red-white-blue theme, as requested by others, but I'll try deviating from that theme. I though the background was light enough for the black text, but even if it is, the blue links don't work on blue. I suppose I could do a dark background and light text, too. I'll see what I can do to make it more clear. If I cant't find something I like, I'll at least make an edit to improve it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:35, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::Is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Greeting&oldid=1379860 this] more like what you were thinking of? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:14, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

== Image copyright ==

Considering the "Personality rights warning" tag, is there any problem in uploading this image? [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_portrait_of_Mr_Jacob_Rees-Mogg.jpg] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:39, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
:Also, in addition to the Corporate tyranny article (if you are still planning on it), would you please add that box-format code to the list of corporate supporters in the [[Southern Poverty Law Center]] and [[Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights]] articles? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)

::It sounds to me like we can use that image. They seem to just be saying that although the images is CC licensed, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg still has legal claim on his likeness. This is nothing new, since every photograph of a person is like this. It should be fine to go for it.
::I wasn't aware of those pages needing it, but yes, I can probably do it. Doing this takes a fair amount of time, but also I need preview frequently. Right now, I'me getting 500 errors about 60% of the time, so I can't count on it lot loosing my work. (Submitting this took 3 tries and 2 minutes) Once things stabilize, I'll give it a go. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:51, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::BTW, I learned recently that if you make an edit and the internal server error (why in the world is it happening so much now?) come on, you can just press the refresh button and your edit will still be saved. You don't need to worry about your information being lost. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

::::Good point! I've noticed that sometimes works, but I've had times when it doesn't. However, some browsers hold information from past pages. I'm using [[Vivaldi (web browser)|Vivaldi]], which does this. In case of a 500 error, I can just hit back and it instantly loads back the past (edit) page with my edits. I think a number of them do this, including Firefox. I don't know if this works for you.
::::Conservative thinks its due to D/DoS attacks--I don't know if this is the case or not, but it could be. The server responds, but there seems to be some problem in the server's internal services; download requests are not handled properly. Sometimes the requests are not served at all, and other times an incomplete answer is provided. It sounds to me more like a problem with the server processing power or software. However, it could be a simple DoS/DDoS an attack. I have also noticed that certain queries available to the public on this site can take several minutes. Run 100 of those simultaneously, and it could load down the server too. Anyway, I've discontinued all my bot activity, which is about all I can do. It will clear up eventually. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)

:::::David, in addition to the tables, would you please upload the image of Rees-Mogg for me? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

::::::There are still a lot of pending upload requests, but if you want me to do it so I will be liable, I suppose I can at some point. I'm busy putting out other fires at the moment. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:28, 9 October 2017 (EDT)

As requested, uploaded as [[:File:Official portrait of Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:45, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:10, 17 October 2017 (EDT)

== Move request ==

I hate to have four links starting with "Breitbart" leading to the same location, but would you please move [[Breitbart.com]] to [[Breitbart News]]? That is how they refer to themselves. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:07, 20 October 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, done! Four does seem like a bit much, but this is a good suggestion. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:10, 23 October 2017 (EDT)

Hello DavidB4, I have some more requests:
*Please move [[:Category:2016 presidential election]] to [[:Category:2016 Presidential Election]], and please use your bot to change the category name in the individual articles with it
::Done, but [[Essay:Donald Trump One Two Body Blow]] is protected and could not be moved
*Please do the exact same thing with [[:Category:American war heroes]], [[:Category:Population politics]], [[:Category:United States Air Force aircraft]], [[:Category:Heads of government]], and [[:Category:Current Heads of government]].
::Done!
*Please move [[:Category:Neoconservative]] to [[:Category:Neoconservatives]], and use your bot to move the individual articles.
*Please movie [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] to the more recognizable name of [[:File:European Union flag.png]], and then please move the name on the linked articles
If There are any protected pages/files in any of the categories, I will ask Andy afterward to move them, as well as to delete the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)
:In addition to my above requests, do you know how to get the table at [[Conservative news websites]] to show up at the top of the article? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:57, 24 November 2017 (EST)
::It seems the table was not closed properly, so the Wiki was confused--I've fixed that. I'll move those pages soon, but this is a very busy week for me, so it may take a little time. Feel free to remind me if I don't do them in a few days. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:36, 27 November 2017 (EST)
::Also, it appears that [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] is protected, so I cannot move it. It will need to be unlocked first, which I have requested. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:00, 27 November 2017 (EST)

:::I think that's everything, except for some [[User_talk:Aschlafly#More_delete_requests|pending unlock requests]]. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:55, 1 December 2017 (EST)
::::If you would move [[:File:Gwtgg.jpg]] and [[:File:786980.jpg]] (as well as the code on the articles they are linked on) to titles that make sense before Andy re-protects them, I would appreciate that. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::::I wanted to do just that, and said as much to Andy. However, unlike the others which he completely unlocked, he left move protection on those files, so I'm assuming that he does not want them moved. I can't, so I didn't. It's a good suggestion, though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[The Battle of Sunshine Church]] to [[Battle of Sunshine Church]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:40, 6 December 2017 (EST)

Should [[Worst Liberal Video Games]] be moved to an essay? The other "Best" and "worst" articles are essays, so it might make sense to move this. Also, this article has no categories. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:Yes, [[:Category:Video Games]] should be added to it at the very least. It was your discovery, so I'll leave the categorization to you. Moving this page to essay namespace makes sense to me--"best" and "worst" are very subjective, so I see no reason not to move this. However, since it is a higher-traffic page, I wonder if the move template should be placed on it first for a little while so people have time to comment and discuss it if they want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::It might be a good idea, though at the same time, I'm sure that most page viewers don't have editing accounts. By the way, I just saw that [[Greatest Conservative Video Games]] also exists, with the same problems as the other page. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:59, 12 December 2017 (EST)

:::Fair enough--I've moved both of them. I'll leave the redirects, though, to help channel the traffic. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:47, 12 December 2017 (EST)
::::Thanks. I agree about keeping the redirects. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:36, 12 December 2017 (EST)

Please move [[:Category:Rothschild family]] so "family" is capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 31 December 2017 (EST)

:I would have assumed that "family" would not be part of the proper noun on this. Have they become so well know that it has, though? --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:27, 31 December 2017 (EST)
::Either way, it's a category, so per the naming convention, "family" should be capitalized. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:22, 1 January 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. I'm not sure why I missed that this was a category when I asked that. Anyway, I did your suggested move as you've already seen, though I missed deleting the redirect. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:04, 2 January 2018 (EST)

==Thanks for the message==
To David,
Thank you for your reminder. I will add them up as soon as possible. There are some sources that are conservative but in foreign languages, I will add them as soon as possible.

:Okay, thank you! Even if in a foreign language, it would be a good idea to include them...They were your information source, so they deserve credit. Anyway, you probably know all this--I just figured I'd mention it. Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:35, 2 November 2017 (EDT)

== Dealing with Hahalongboy ==

David: I am puzzled by your note on Hahalongboy's talk page. It looks as thought you may be taunting him. I would advise against this sort of thing.

Now I now nothing about what he is actually doing, or what the "Swans" band is, other than that it's pretty obvious I would never want to hear their "noise rock" (whatever that is) music. And I do not know what the "meme" is that you are talking about. That said, it seems that either
*You find his behavior utterly unacceptable, in which case you should revert or delete it, and block him, or
*You actually want to engage with him on the subject.
I would guess that it's the latter, since you know perfectly well how to block people. If so, I found what you wrote to be a bit impolite. If you can discuss with him how he can improve his writing, please do so.

You do not strike me as an impolite person, which is why I am puzzled that you seem to be speaking in riddles

There are people here who block people with incredibly impolite comments, often along the lines of "You just proved that we [presumably the Conservapedia editor community] are right about what liberals [of which you presumably are one] do." But you are not that kind of person.

[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 23:04, 3 December 2017 (EST)

:It was not my intent to specifically taunt him/her. However, they are clearly fooling around. "Haha Long Boy" is a harmless but pretty much meaningless "meme" (see: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/long-boy) which was popular among certain millennials about a year ago. On their profile page they put the grammatical equivalent of "XD" which is supposed to represent a face with mouth open and eyes tightly closed in laughter. This user is not being overtly harmful, so I was granting them the benefit of the doubt. However, in response to their goofy (childish?) behavior, I decided to "toss it right back" to them and see what happened. I suspect this is a troll, but I don't know yet. It is my intent to not be unduely hostile, but to learn their intent at the same time.
:Thanks for the feedback, though. I didn't say more to them at the time because I was still trying to determine their intentions, and didn't want to waste time on a troll. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:18, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::Fair enough. You obviously know way more about this than I do. I'll butt out now. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:32, 4 December 2017 (EST)

:::I sometimes pick up strange knowledge which actually proves useful. I've seen this kind of clowning around on another site I administrate, too. I usually don't engage them, but decided to give this one a try. As you probably saw, I did decide, following your comment, that I should leave a proper welcome. It never hurts, so thanks for nudge! Anyway, Conservative decided to nuke things, so I guess he decided there is nothing to be gained from it. 
:::Feel free to comment/interject/suggest/complain any time though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 02:45, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Image licensing ==

Hello David, I want to upload [https://www.flickr.com/photos/135638414@N02/20882496641/in/album-72157655419191143/ this image], but on the right-hand side, it says "All Rights Reserved." Does this mean I cannot upload the image? Or is it a good idea to ask the Lt. Gov. office or Patrick's campaign for permission to use it? Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:09, 17 December 2017 (EST)

:Hi, It could be argued that to reuse it would be permitted under the fair use exception, but I try to avoid that here in particular. On Flickr, users specifically manage licenses, so this appears to be a deliberate act to restrict reuse. To honor that wish, I try not to use them. However, Fair Use is widely interpreted different ways...some might see it as completely fine in this case. It sounds like neither of us are confident it is acceptable, so probably you'd best skip it or ask them.
:This image looks suspiciously like it could be a government-produced image--I wonder if it could be found elsewhere with more information. If the government made it, then it's in the public domain. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:20, 19 December 2017 (EST)
::Does this also apply for state government photos? I know (partially from experience) that Wikipedia frequently deletes what official state government images (found on state government websites), allegedly due to not being free to use. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:26, 19 December 2017 (EST)

:::You're right--some states do hold copyrights, while others release all right to the public. It goes state-by-state, and I couldn't find anything on Texas specifically. So asking them would probably be the best option. Thanks for pointing that out--I was oblivious of that until now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:40, 19 December 2017 (EST)

I contacted the Office of the Lieutenant Governor Friday, and I am awaiting a response. On a different topic, please delete the redirect "Great Persecution" and move the article [[Diocletian persecution]] to it. The most common names for the persecution are either "Great Persecution" or "Diocletianic Persecution", and the current name is neither of these two. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:06, 24 December 2017 (EST)

:Okay, thanks for the heads-up. I've moved the page as requested also. Have a merry Christmas! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:21, 24 December 2017 (EST)
::Merry Christmas to you too! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:46, 24 December 2017 (EST)

== Hi ==

So, I'm an editor on the English Wikipedia, and noticed you put a help message on my talk page back in April. I may want to start editing here. Is the Wikitext the same base language? And what would you reccommend I do to get started? Thank's, [[User:Adotchar|Adotchar]] ([[User talk:Adotchar|talk]]) 19:16, 18 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! We do use the same basic wiki language. We use MediaWiki, which is produced by the WikiMedia Foundation. A page on the basics is [[Help:How to edit a website like Conservapedia|here]], but if you know how to edit on WP, you should be all set for editing here. A basic summary of who we are and what we do is [[Conservapedia:Quick reference|here]], but an extensive guide is available [[Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages|in our manual of style]]. Lastly, here are our [[Conservapedia:Commandments|rules]] and our [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|guidelines]].
:I know that's a lot of material, but hopefully some of it will be helpful. Other than reading up on any (or all) of that, just find something which needs improvement or creation, and edit it! Cite your sources, try to keep in uniform style, and avoid a liberal point of view. We do not specifically have a NPoV rule, so a "conservative bias" is permissible when it is supported by evidence. Otherwise, the safe option is to keep it neutral. You should also have the ability to create pages by yourself, without requesting permission.
:You can discuss possible changes on talk pages, and may want to do so for larger changes, especially on larger, more popular pages. However, this is not required. For the most part, it has been my experience that others leave you alone while you edit, unless they see an obvious problem.
:If you have any questions, you can always ask me, or you can try asking everyone on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|community portal]]. I think that just about covers it, but if I missed something or if you have any other questions, I'm happy to help! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:12, 19 December 2017 (EST)

== Merging ==

Hello DavidB4, I noticed that we have two categories for the [[Tea Party Movement]]: [[:Category:Tea Party Movement]] and [[:Category:Tea Party]]. Do you agree that these should be merged?

Also, I think I mentioned to you sometime earlier about possibly merging [[Republicanism]] with [[Republican form of government]]. I will look into that soon. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:44, 27 December 2017 (EST)

:Hello! Those do sound like good candidates to be merged--go for it! You did mention the "Republicanism" category issue, too. I would be fine with that merge as well. Thanks for doing clean-up! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:49, 27 December 2017 (EST)

== New Essay ==

I was thinking that this site needs a new essay on how Christians display morals and values that are antithetical to mainstream culture and all of its vices. Look at this article from the Babylon Bee:

http://babylonbee.com/news/another-actress-accuses-kirk-cameron-treating-respect/

It's pretty hilarious considering all of the sex scandals that are going on in Hollywood these days. Kirk Cameron definitely stands out from mainstream Hollywood actors by being faithfully married to his wife Chelsea since 1991. If you notice, I added several Christian songs to the "Greatest Conservative Songs" that not only promote Christian values, but also are the antithesis of modern mainstream Hollywood and Liberal values. Shobson20 (talk) 02:30, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:That is a good article, and it would be great to have something written on it. If you would like to write an essay on the subject in general, go for it! It is amazing for foreign christian beliefs are to secular ones sometimes. People don't usually become Christians expecting to be come polar opposites of the norm, but through the work of God's spirit, they in many ways do. Then the world is shocked that these Christians do respect people, abut do not engage in their vices. Many of the world's problems (drunk driving, sexually transmitted diseases, selfishness leading to communist leanings, unwanted pregnancies and single parenthood, etc.) are largely eliminated by the Christian lifestyle. I would be interested in reading an essay on this general topic, if you write one!
:Just go ahead and pick a title, then create the page and write it! As long as it holds to Conservapdia's "[[Conservapedia:Commandments|commandments]]," you should be able to do pretty much whatever you want with it. (Rule #5 does not apply on essay either, though I personally prefer to let the reader make some informed decisions of their own.)
:There might also be some article on the issue of sex scandals, though the only page I could find on the subject was "[[Atheism and sexual immorality]]". This article and a related blurb might be something which could benefit such a page. It would not be opinion, but verifiable fact. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 08:56, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular Here is the new essay, I would like input from other Conservapedians, so anything you could do to increase the visibility of this page would be appreciated. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 10:28, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::Essays are typically edited only by the author, unless a special exception in made. Therefore, out of respect for your work, people will probably do no more that comment on the talk page. Is this what you want, or would you prefer this to be an open page, like [[Essay:Greatest Conservative Songs]]? IF it is open to anyone, you may want to specify this at the top of it, or at least on the talk page.
:::As for getting input from others, I've had limited success doing this in the past, unfortunately. However, one thing you could try is posting about it on the [[Conservapedia:Community Portal|Community Portal]] to see if anyone has input. I see that 1990'sguy has [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Essay:Virtue:_Christian_vs_secular&curid=148244&diff=1394532&oldid=1394529 already chipped in], too which is good! It seems he has understood your intent for this to be an open essay, as I suspect you want. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:54, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Potential edit war ==

On this page: http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies MacTavish moved Home Alone 2 to the "Debatable Whether Great Section" and personally accused the movie makers of having "Hollywood Greed." I think that statement is too vindictive and accusatory, so I changed it, but he's probably going to change it back. I don't think his statement is appropriate for CP.

:I recommend either going to the essay's talk page or MacTavish's talk page and talking it out. It's the best way to solve conflicts like this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

::Agreed, that's the place to discuss it, since interested people are more likely to see it. I'm happy to weigh in though. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:08, 28 December 2017 (EST)

:::He just removed my message from his talk page [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 01:28, 29 December 2017 (EST)

::::So I see--that does seem a little odd.
::::I don't see why it should be "debatable," but here we are debating it, so perhaps it does belong in that section. I was hoping we might be a response from him, but I guess he doesn't feel like talking. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:01, 29 December 2017 (EST)

== Greeting for new editors ==

You did a fantastic job as far as creating the updated greeting for new editors. It looks great.

Thanks for using a few of my tips regarding the color scheme. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:05, 29 December 2017 (EST)

:You're welcome, and thanks for the suggestions! It's still not perfect, but it seems pretty good to me. I'd also like to automate the entire thing, so it auto-fills username, signature, etc. but so far haven't been able to do it quite right. At least it works manually though! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:50, 30 December 2017 (EST)

== comment about my account ==

Although I have done most of my work on one particular page, that is because I only recently updated my account.

If you will check my user history, I recently updated the article for Atlanta Hawks (providing a brief history of the team's origins and many relocations) and also for the Atlanta article (updating a very old article to reflect a change in sports team status since the Atlanta Thrashers have relocated to Winnipeg, and to also mention a prior NHL franchise in Atlanta which also moved).

My plan is to ultimately moved articles that I have written on your competitor's website (one of which was flagged for "notability" solely because it involved a derivative work of a Christian novel whereas other similar articles were not, clearly showing their liberal bias) to this one (your guidelines say that I can do so if the work is mine). The article I wrote here is one, about a novel by one of the more prolific Christian fiction writers, that would be likely deleted there because of their anti-Christian bias.

[[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:13, 8 January 2018 (EST)

:I have responded to you on this page: [[Talk:The Chance (Karen Kingsbury book)]]. In short, I made a mistake (two actually) and you are more than welcome to publish this material here. For some reason I don't quite understand, we don't really used "AFD" pages anymore even though our templates link to them, so I also linked to that AFD page from the talk page. I apologize for this mix-up--let me know if there anything helpful I can do for a change. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:18, 8 January 2018 (EST)

== Image copyright (2) ==

Hello David, would you please check and see whether it is OK to upload these two photos? The licensing for these two is a bit confusing: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hitlermusso2_edit.jpg][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Benito_Mussolini_Roman_Salute.jpg] If it happens that it's OK to upload them, would you please do that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 15 January 2018 (EST)

:Familiar with seeing one or maybe tow license templates, I was chuckling by the end of the first image's page, having seen 5 of them, along with two others. What a mess! As best I can tell, they really don't know. I think one of their many templates summed it up best "This image may not have the proper copyright or licensing information, or there is a conflict of license." I can't say what they are licensed as, so I wouldn't try anything but "Fair use." You might be able to get away with "Fair Use," but since I can't even figure out where these came from, I wouldn't try. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:37, 16 January 2018 (EST)

::Honestly, I really want to upload these photos, so if there's any way to upload them, I will take that way. However, I'm short on time, so I won't deal with that for now. Maybe I'll ask Andy later.

::BTW, would you please upload these two images: [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WWII,_Europe,_Germany,_%22Nazi_Hierarchy,_Hitler,_Goering,_Goebbels,_Hess%22,_The_Desperate_Years_p143_-_NARA_-_196509.jpg][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H12148,_N%C3%BCrnberg,_Reichsparteitag.jpg] The first one wouldn't upload because it said that I did not add an image though I did. Maybe it will work with you? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:46, 16 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to those images, please move [[:Category:Homosexual activists]] in order to capitalize the "a". Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 17 January 2018 (EST)

::::I just tried all the basic upload tricks, and nothing worked. I'm not just talking about these images either--I simply can't upload anything. It looks like a bug to me. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:36, 17 January 2018 (EST)

:::Sorry to keep piling on requests -- I know you're probably as busy as me -- but posting them here at least help me to remember them so I can focus on content in the little time I have. I am very tempted to delete this newly-created article, as this person does not appear to be notable (only a singer from Puerto Rico, does not even have his own Wikipedia page). I would appreciate your input. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:13, 18 January 2018 (EST)

::::No apology needed! I've moved the category, as requested.
::::"Darell" is clearly a page needing attention. You can see the style issues, and the name should obviously be changes also. Those issues aside, I don't know anything about him, and can find only a little information about him elsewhere online. It doesn't seem to be a made-up topic, but almost everything about him is written in Spanish, so I can't verify accuracy. Since we don't have a specific "notability" policy, and this page does seem to be composed of original content, I probably would just improve it and leave it be. However, it could be that this is a promotion attempt, in which case it warrants deletion. I just don't know for sure, so I am hesitant to wipe it out. Please see the note on this topic in my e-mail, also. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 18 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Also, thanks for cleaning up that redirect I forgot about! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:38, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Hello DavidB4, please move [[Lazarus (Parable)]] to [[Lazarus and the Rich Man]], as it is a better title. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:11, 21 January 2018 (EST)

:Moved as requested. I'm indecisive as to whether leaving the redirect would be beneficial or not, so since in doubt, I left it. You can delete that if you want, it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:07, 21 January 2018 (EST)
::I think keeping the redirect is fine. BTW, would you please take care of [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TerryH&diff=1400544&oldid=1391663 this], unless someone else does it first? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:50, 25 January 2018 (EST)
:::Also, what do you think of Grace's edits in the [[Homophobia]] article? Do you think it's good, or is the intro section too short now? I would appreciate a second opinion. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:03, 25 January 2018 (EST)

::::I am not especially comfortable doing the merge since I know nothing about the gentleman, but if no one else does, I suppose I can try to merge them. I think the homophobia intro was much better, but needed to actually specify the intended meaning of the term. I've added a sentence explaining this, and I think it's probably fine now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 18:19, 26 January 2018 (EST)

Should we move the article [[Christmas and Easter Catholic]] to "Christmas and Easter Christian", or should we create a new article with that title? I would imagine that the two terms are independently notable, but I could be wrong (and the editor who brought it up was not pleased at my response). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:35, 31 January 2018 (EST)

:I don't know Catholicism very well, but these do seem similar to me. I just don't know if under their works-based salvation, there is some special obligation or rule that does not apply to Protestantism. Either way, whether a "mass" or a "service," this does seem to be a similar issue though. As for the name(s), I'm inclined to think that if there is a significant difference, this naming scheme is fine. However, it is a little odd to have one page an not the other. If we are only going to gave one, perhaps a more generic name would be appropriate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:46, 31 January 2018 (EST)
::OK. If you think it's best that we move the article, please do so since I can't do it myself. Otherwise, we can create a new article. Either way -- it was Quidam65 who brought it up. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:09, 31 January 2018 (EST)
:::In addition to the email I sent you a few days ago, would you please look over the article [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]] (title, layout)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:49, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I'm no expert--if you think separating the pages them is better, that's fine with me. You probably have a better idea than I do. Anyway, I've posted on the talk page to see if anyone else has anything to say, first. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

::::I will review that page, and look back at my e-mails. I must have missed it, because I wasn't aware of anything outstanding. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:52, 1 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Regarding [[Persecution of Christians by homosexuals in UK]], the title is cumbersome, but I have no better suggestions. I did revise the section titles, and reworded a couple things. Additionally, the intro is a little shorter than I would like, while the following section is the opposite. Other than that, the only issue I noticed was that there are spaces before the references. I didn't bother fix them, though--my bot will fix those on its next sweep. Also, I found your e-mail and will be in touch. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:06, 1 February 2018 (EST)

== More requests ==

Hello DavidB4, would you please move these categories to fix their cases: [[:Category:Victims of homo-fascism]], [[:Category:Economic history]]. Also, I reminded Andy to unlock the images you requested. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:19, 3 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check [[:File:Miklós Horthy.jpg]]? On [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg the original file], it states that "you must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." Would you please make sure the file I uploaded meets that requirement? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:22, 4 February 2018 (EST)

::Andy unlocked the files required for me to do the first requests, so I will be completing those soon. As for this image, I think what you have done will keep us all out of trouble. However, a couple minor things: 
::Images in the public domain can be used any way we want, without attribution--they are public property. However, as a courtesy to our sources, and to demonstrate to others that we have the legal rights to use them, it is CP (and WP) policy to explain briefly. What you have entered is a good explanation, but I would say that the author is the U.S. Federal Government, not Cserlajos. If you want to give that person credit, you could note that Cserlajos digitized the photo, though. Lastly, we have [[Conservapedia:Manual_of_Style/Images|a list]] of templates for images which state the applicable licenses. You are not obligated to use these (very few editors here do) but they are available if you want to make things a little fancier. In this case, I would probably add the following to the top of the image page. This is entirely your choice, though. 
::<code><nowiki>{{USGovt tag</nowiki></code> 
::<code><nowiki>|source=https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Horthy_the_regent.jpg}}</nowiki></code>
::I hope this helps--let me know if anything is unclear! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:14, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::I did what you recommended. Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:19, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::Looks good to me! I actually am waiting on one more unlock before I can do that last move (there is cascading protection locking it) so I will finish that later. Also, thanks for reminding Andy about the older unlock requests of mine! I'd lost track of them as well, so it might have been awhile before I remembered them. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 10:27, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:::::Done! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:20, 5 February 2018 (EST)
::::::Thanks! --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Would you please take a look at the article [[Homosexual Fascists]]? As I pointed out on the article talk page, the article throws the term "fascist" around too freely, and it labels (to the point of slander) people like Jorg Haider "fascists" (though Haider supported a more limited federal Austrian government). Is there anything to do about this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:11, 5 February 2018 (EST)
:In addition to the above, would you please check the page [[Arius Raposas]]? Is it genuine or appropriate to keep? The account that created it is called "Athanasius", so it's odd that they created an article about an "Arius", but about someone totally unrelated to the fourth-century heretic. Checking that page is also relevant to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Historian&curid=126238&diff=1403171&oldid=1278122 this edit].
:Also, what do you think about User:Cantante's pages? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:02, 7 February 2018 (EST)

::I'm not a historian, so I can't vouch for the accuracy of [[Homosexual Fascists]]. I do hope that communism and fascism were not confused with each other, since they ultimately manifest themselves in similar ways. I am also a little concerned about the use of a Huffington Post article as a positive reference. I wish I could help more, but I really don't know much in this area. It certainly is a favorite thing as of late for liberals to throw around the term in psychological projection.
::[[Arius Raposas]] looks like an advertising attempt. CP already shows as #1 result on several search engines for him, because the other results are apparently less reputable. You can see some more info about him on his LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arius-raposas where you can also see that he only had 59 connections. I say deleted it.
::Regarding [[User:Cantante]], I can't tell if these are good faith edits or not. It might be that s/he is writing about their favorite amateur rappers, or it could be that this is a promotion attempt. Either way, I doubt these pages are going to be of much value to CP. I just don't want to wipe them out if this is a good faith editor. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:36, 7 February 2018 (EST)

:::For the Arius Raposas article, I would say definite delete (though I won't do it until you're confident it should be deleted). At the very least, User:Cantante's articles should be trimmed and improved, though I wouldn't mind deleting them (if he complains, we can restore them). Again, I don't want to do this without you agreeing.
:::For the homosexual fascist article, '''at least''' the title should be changed. I wrote CP's article on Haider a while back, and he's not a fascist (and whether he was even a homosexual is in dispute -- he had a wife). It is true, though, that the Left hated him while he was alive. The article could be used to show left-wing hypocrisy on this matter, by showing that homosexuality was widespread even among people they didn't like (or something like that), but in its current form, it reads like a socially-conservative John McCain (though that sounds like an oxymoron) wrote the article. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 7 February 2018 (EST)
:::Sorry to keep posting stuff here, but in addition to the email I sent you, I would appreciate it if you would check the article [[Covenant Christian Coalition]] to see if it is plagiarized from Wikipedia or another website (it was created by yet another newly-registered editor). I recommend deleting the Arius article and asking Cantante about the other two articles, with the intention to delete or trim/improve them if he doesn't respond. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:28, 8 February 2018 (EST)

::::You don't need to apologize, though I might need too--I'm not having enough time right now to deal with each issue promptly.
::::1. Arius Raposas: I'm not convinced it should be kept, but I'm waiting to hear back from him now. My own ignorance of these foreign websites might be the problem, but when I do a web search and find only CP and a bunch of social media accounts, I am not filled with confidence. It sounds more like someone trying to build an online presence than someone notable enough to have others research them.
::::2. Homosexual fascist: I will differ to your judgment on this then. It sounds like you know some more about at least Haider, while I really know nothing at all on the subject. I trust you know what you are talking about! :)
::::3. [[Covenant Christian Coalition]]: This looks like an expanded version of [https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1mXWo6uco/wiki/Covenant_Christian_Coalition.html] this page. I've asked on the talk page about original authorship.
::::4. I will reply to your email soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:45, 8 February 2018 (EST)

Is it time to move [[Greatest conservative corporations]] and make it an essay? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:11, 14 February 2018 (EST)
:Probably. It seems no one else is particularly invested in that page anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 11:13, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::Would you then please move it now? I agree that we should keep the redirect. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)

:::Umm... right. For some reason, I was thinking you were going to do it. I've moved it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 13:21, 14 February 2018 (EST)
::::I would if I could, but I don't have move rights, as you probably remember. Thanks anyway! I will reply to your latest email soon, when I get time. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:44, 14 February 2018 (EST)

== Categories ==

Hello DavidB4, it seems that [[:Category:Unions]] and [[:Category:Labor Unions]] are duplicate categories. Is then OK if you merge them? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:37, 17 February 2018 (EST)
:I also just found that we have duplicate articles [[Right to work]] and [[Right-to-work laws]].
:Also, [[Edwin R. Thiele]] and [[Edwin Thiele]] have not been merged yet. I would appreciate it if you would at least help do this. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:41, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::The first two are done--good suggestions, thanks! The last one I suppose will attempt, but I know nothing about the man, so I'm afraid I will not do the article justice. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (EST)

:::Thanks. Maybe another editor is able and willing to do it. Would you please move the article [[Hilary Belloc]] per AlanE's edit summary comment in the article history? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:02, 17 February 2018 (EST)

::::Thanks for moving it. Would you please move the article [[The Forgotten Depression of 1920]] to [[Forgotten Depression of 1920]]? Also, [[Anti-Saloon league]] and [[Anti-Saloon League]] are (almost) duplicate articles which should be combined. The former link should redirect to the latter. Would you please do this? Also, while most of what I wrote in my latest email to you were just statements, I did ask you one question. I would appreciate it if you would reply even though it's not too important. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:02, 18 February 2018 (EST)

:::::Thanks for pointing out the Hilary Belloc issue--I was oblivious to the problem. I've also moved the 1920 page leaving the redirect, and replied to your email. I will work on merging this and perhaps the other article as time permits. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you, I will! [[User:Willow Smith|Willow Smith]] ([[User talk:Willow Smith|talk]]) 11:42, 21 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Conspiricy No. 5" ==

The actual name of the Third Day album is "Conspiracy No. 5". The original author simply misspelled it. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 11:13, 23 February 2018 (EST)

:Good catch! I've fixed it, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:52, 23 February 2018 (EST)

== Request to merge pages ==

There are two pages with virtually identical headings and all with the same text (likely someone didn't know how to do a redirect page).

The pages are "Committee for Public Education & Religious Liberty v. Nyquist" and "Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty v. Nyquist".

Request that one be made the main page and the other a redirect, to make Conservapedia better for all. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 14:25, 24 February 2018 (EST)

PS--Thanks for the fix on Conspiracy No. 5.

:Another good observation. I've redirected the latter to the former. Thanks for pointing this out! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 19:02, 24 February 2018 (EST)

== Renaming of article titled "Castings Crowns(album)" ==

Again, another inadvertent misspelling (and grammatical error) by a well-meaning Conservapedian. The correct title is "Casting Crowns (album)". [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 21:20, 27 February 2018 (EST)

:Thank you! I've fixed it, though there is no redirect so the old name will not work anymore. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:14, 27 February 2018 (EST)

== Response to inquiry on redirect pages ==

In response to your inquiry, most of those "articles" are barely one sentence. That may be suitable for a dictionary but not for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, most of those "articles" did little more than discuss a subcomponent of the larger topic, such as your concerns about the various "bankruptcy" titled ones.

What I did, which I believe makes Conservapedia a much better site, is to consolidate all those smaller articles into one, more comprehensive one, which contains all pertinent information related to a topic. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:12, 2 March 2018 (EST)

:That makes sense I suppose, and we do discourage "stub" articles. However, it is also generally frowned upon to replace articles with redirects. This should be done with caution, if at all, and all material must be saved. I will look more into it, but please do be careful about this. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 09:57, 5 March 2018 (EST)

== Yet another merger candidate ==

There are two similarly named articles. One is titled "Internet Crime" (note the capitalization) and contains a significant amount of information. The other is titled "Internet crime" and has virtually nothing in it (the history only shows two changes, one to create it in 2009 and the other to lock it almost immediately thereafter). My suggestion is to unlock the empty article (which you admins can do) and turn it into a redirect page. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 19:09, 9 March 2018 (EST)

:What I'm seeing is a redirect under the name [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crime&redirect=no Internet crime] which points to [[Internet Crime]]. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_crimes&redirect=no Internet crimes] is an identical redirect, also. Am I missing something? I don't see a protect page. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:42, 10 March 2018 (EST)

::Here's another category that could be merged: [[:Category:Supreme Court]] and [[:Category:United States Supreme Court]]. We could make the first category a parent category of the second one, since we have the general article [[Supreme Court]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 11:38, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Yes, that's another good one suggestion. Probably we should make [[:Category:Supreme Court]] the parent, then sort out the entries inside of it to be accurate. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:23, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

== The Internet crime mystery--solved (?) ==

OK I figured out what is happening. It is a category titled "Internet crime" which is locked and has no pages showing it as a category. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 10:16, 10 March 2018 (EST)

== Thanks for the server update ==

It is greatly appreciated. [[User:Quidam65|Quidam65]] ([[User talk:Quidam65|talk]]) 18:04, 12 March 2018 (EDT)

==Hacker keeps removing [[Andy Clay Harris]]==
I have returned it three times to the board. The hacker uses the name MatthewLClark.
Please block him. This is the text he keeps removing:
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{{Infobox person
| name=Andy Clay Harris
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| birth_date=September 1, 1961
| birth_place=Resident of 
[[Bossier City]], [[Louisiana]]
| death_date=
| death_place=
| death_cause=
| resting_place=
| party=[[Republican Party|Republican]]
| religion=Assembly of God [[clergy]]man
| spouse=Sheryl Lynn Harris 
Two children=
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'''Andy Clay Harris''' (born September 1, 1961)<ref name=mylife.com>{{cite web|url=https://www.mylife.com/andrew-harris/harris3768r|title=Andy Harris (Clay)|publisher=Mylife.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> is an Assemblies of God pastor from [[Bossier City]] in northwestern [[Louisiana]], whose former congregation, The Church of the Cross, erected in 2009 a 199-foot [[Christian]] cross on the grounds of its sanctuary in Haughton. The silver cross is seen from various points about U.S. Highway 80.

The son of a Bossier City builder-father and teacher-mother, Harris graduated from Bossier High School in 1979. He studied at the Southwestern Assemblies of God University<ref name=intelius>{{cite web|url=https://www.intelius.com/people-search/Andy-C-Harris/Bossier%20city-LA|title=Andy Harris: Bossier City, LA|publisher=Intelius.com|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> in Waxahachie, [[Texas]], the alma mater of the famous pastor [[John C. Hagee]] of [[San Antonio]], Texas. For a time, he was on the staff of ''The Gurdon Times'' in Arkadelphia, [[Arkansas]]. He also lived for a time, dates unavailable but prior to 1996, in [[Carson City]], [[Nevada]]; Miami, [[Oklahoma]], and Sarepta in Webster Parish, Louisiana.<ref name=intelius/> Harris completed an internship at his home congregation, the Broadmoor Assembly of God in [[Shreveport]] and was ordained into the ministry in 1985.<ref name=arrest>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/crime/2018/03/09/benton-man-arrested-possession-meth/410682002/|title=Bossier Parish pastor arrested for possession of meth|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|author=Nick Wooten|date=March 9, 2018|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref>

On March 7, 2018, Harris was arrested at his home for possession of [[methamphetamine]]s and drug paraphernalia and booked in the Bossier Maximum Security Facility, at which he posted a $5,000 bail. He accepted the pastorate of The Church of the Cross in 1996 and resigned after more than twenty-one years amid the arrest.<ref name=arrest/> He reportedly earned between $100,000 and $150,000.<ref name=mylife.com/> Police said that Harris was questioned on another unrelated, undisclosed matter when Harris revealed the drugs he had. Police found 3.5 grams of meth, a smoking device, and a snorting straw.<ref name=arrest/>

A [[Republican Party|Republican]],<ref name=mylife.com/> Harris was pictured in ''The Shreveport Times'' with current state Senator [[Ryan Gatti]] of Bossier City and Louisiana Lieutenant Governor Billy Nungesser.<ref name=arrest/>

On the Sunday after his resignation as pastor, a letter from Harris was read to the congregation. He described his time at The Church of the Cross as one of "faith and victory" and long-term friendships with members who were "[[Salvation|saved]], healed, and filled by the [[Holy Spirit]]. We have loved and felt love by you all."<ref name=pastor>{{cite web|url=https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/news/2018/03/12/arrested-pastor-former-congregation-forgive-me/416277002/
|title=Arrested pastor to former congregation: forgive me|publisher=''The Shreveport Times''|date=March 12, 2018|author=Nick Wooten|accessdate=March 14, 2018}}</ref> Harris described his recent years in the ministry as like being in "a pressure cooker" with betrayals, sickness, and family issues. Harris continued, "A few months ago in a time of weakness I attempted to ease the pain in the way. I have [[sin]]ned, and I have [[God|the Lord]] to forgive me. I have asked my family to forgive me. And I am asking you all -- all of you-- to forgive me. ... Pray all the good the Lord has done through us will outshine the bad [[Satan|the devil]] has done to us."<ref name=pastor/>

Doyle Dempsey, the secretary-treasurer of The Church of the Cross, described his broken heartedness, "Although we do not condone his behavior in this matter, we are all eternally grateful to Pastor Harris for his years of dedicated service to this church body. ... We are all just mortal men. One decision away from sudden destruction."<ref name=pastor/>

In the wake of Harris' departure, the pastoral staff will rotate the ministerial duties pending the call of a new pastor.<ref name=pastor/>
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David, someone else appears to have corrected the problem and identified the hacker. [[User:BHathorn|BHathorn]] ([[User talk:BHathorn|talk]]) 21:30, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

:I'm glad it was taken care if quickly! That actually wasn't even hacking. They just created a user account and deleted the page contents. Do feel free to let me know if this happens again, but don't worry--it's easy to fix. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:22, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

== Great work on block and reverts ==
Thanks for the quick work on blocking and reverting the vandal!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 20:56, 17 March 2018 (EDT)
:Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:25, 17 March 2018 (EDT)

== Need to update article title ==

The article title for Wally Amos Criswell needs to be changed.

First, the proper spelling of his first name was Wallie. Second, he was always better known by his initials, W.A. Therefore, I suggest that the title be changed to W.A. Criswell. [[User:Bcarlin|Bcarlin]] ([[User talk:Bcarlin|talk]]) 23:05, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

:Thank you, Quidam65, but Conservapedia forbids the use of "sock puppet" accounts. Please sort out your issues with the administration, rather than just trying to around them. I have fixed this issue you mentioned. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:32, 22 March 2018 (EDT)

::Would you please move the article [[Sebastian Pinera]] to [[Sebastián Piñera]], since this title has the proper punctuation? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:19, 16 April 2018 (EDT)

:::Done. I'm leaving the redirect, since most people don't have "á" and "ñ" on their keyboards. Good idea! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

== Thanks for your help ==

Thank you for your help, DavidB4! Also, I apologize: I accidentally added two posts that were nearly identical to the Aschlafly "talk" page. Sorry for the mistake! {{unsigned|Questions}}
:You're welcome! [[User:1990'sguy]] already fixed the issue, so you should be all set. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:04, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

== Few Things ==

Hey, I have a few questions... First, how does one become a sysop or "get promoted"?... I am also on the site that shall not be named, and becoming a sysop there was relatively easy.
Also, I want to add images to my articles, @1990's guy gave me a link to make a request, but it didn't work and also, I am wondering if there is an easier way? I think that Conservapedia suffers greatly from the lack of illustrations. Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 00:53, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! Regarding your first question, there is no published criteria for promotion. Rather, editors who have shown themselves reliable and well-meaning are occasionally promoted, as they are decided to have earned the privilege. As overall membership grows and changes, these "Assistant Sysops" may be promoted to full administrators. However, this is rare, and has not happened to anyone in the 2.5 years I have been here. It is quite rare.
:As for image uploads, the standard was for you to do this is to post your requests on [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests|this page]] (provide the link to the wanted images). If you stay with us for a while and prove yourself, you may eventually receive the privilege to do it yourself. However, users do not start out with this ability, since some users may upload images which are either protected by license, or inappropriate. Considering the amount of vandalism we see at times, this seems to be the reasonable option to me, although I know it can be annoying. I spent a while requesting uploads before I was granted the ability to upload directly.
:In short, these "lower" promotions do often come to editors who prove themselves, but it takes time and effort. Higher promotions (such as to the administrator level) are quite rare, even when there are candidates who could quality. At least most of us, if not all, are here to improve the CP, rather than to play the internal political system to earn promotion and status. Understand that to be promoted to full Administrator is rare, and very unlikely for someone who has recently joined. At any level, promotions can be considered a privilege, but not a right.
:If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 04:19, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

::Hey, for one, how do I determine if an image is free of copyright or not? Can I use Google Images? 2)How do I recommend it on that article? Do I simply copy paste a link to the image? Thanks --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 14:26, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:::You need to look for images which are in the [[public domain]] or under a [[Creative Commons]] license. Here are some places I like to look for good, usable images:
:::*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 Flickr.com]
:::*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia Commons]
:::*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
:::*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile.com]
:::*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures.net]

:::If there are none available which fit these requirements, then we can only try to use them under "[[fair use]]." If you use Google or some other such search engine, you must go to the actual website and find their licensing agreements, to ensure that they do not expressly prohibit retransmission and republishing. "Fair use" is a last resort, and we try to avoid using this claim as much as possible, since it is difficult to legally define.
:::You copy and paste the link to the file you want onto the [[CP:IUR]] page, and sign at the end of the request. Typically, it is then reviewed and uploaded, and the uploader responds to the request with the file name on CP. The requesting user then goes and adds the image(s) to the page(s) they intended. You do not need to state what page the image is intended for in the upload request, though it doesn't hurt to do so, especially if we are going to be using it under "fair use." --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 17:13, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

Hey David, I posted the new requests... Please, get to them as soon as you can, I tried my best to make them clear... If you need help understanding what I meant (unlikely), let me know. Thanks! --[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:21, 28 April 2018 (EDT)

:You request was perfectly clear. In case you haven't already noticed, I uploaded and added them. Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:34, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

== Micro evolution ==

Micro evolution is the change BELOW the species level, macro evolution is the one above... Both have been observed. Micro evolution WILL ALWAYS lead to macro evolution GIVEN SUFFICENT TIME...

Here... This guy puts it simply... Watch these 2 videos. They are VERY entertaining, you will NOT be bored. He puts it simply. This will explain it in SIMPLE terms... Watch video number one AND THEN number 2... You will definitely change your POV a little at least...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RnygS7opCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-ilMYc5xdQ

--[[User:Kingdamian1|Kingdamian1]] ([[User talk:Kingdamian1|talk]]) 22:11, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

:The arguments are not new. Here is a short article explaining the difference: http://www.icr.org/article/what-difference-between-macroevolution-microevolut/
:Now we get to things like:
:*Why are there really no confirmed transitional species? Why do scientists keep inventing them rather than finding them?
:*Why are we not burred up to our elbows in fossils from transition species?
:*Why is it that any significant evolution in the modern day is harmful? Just look at the miracle of the four-winged fruit fly, which has no muscles attached, so they greatly impede flight. On top of this, all other fruit flies refuse to mate with them, due to the mutation.
:*Does similarity really show common ancestry, or rather common designer?
:*Why did Darwin himself declare that his entire theory should be considered null and void if the cell was ever found to be anything more than an inert building block? (of course, he knew nothing about DNA, either)
:*Why do human genes most closely match those of a worm, not an ape?
:*Why do apes have more chromosomes that humans, rather than less, as the supposed progression would suggest?
:*Why is it that since the Cambrian explosion, there have been found no new ''species'' in the fossil record?
:*Why is it that the Cambrian explosion even occurred? There is nothing gradual about that...it's just *poof* all life appears on a formerly dead planet. The only evidence of life below the Cambrian layer are a few sponge embryos, which probably got there through contamination.
:*Are humans actually devolving?
:**Humans used to live much longer than they do now. For example, Neanderthals lived so long that their jaw and foreheads (which never stop growing) grew so much as to change their appearance
:**Human teeth used to heal, but no longer do
:**Some say that human brain cavities are actually shrinking, though I have not researched this to verify the claim
:**While medical science has improved our understanding of biology, things such as allergies seem to be much ore common in recent years. Are our immune systems forgetting how to tell friend from foe?
:*How is it that a team of monkeys with a typewriter are more likely to write out the entire library of congress in chronological order by accident, than a DNA strand is to accidentally form?

:The argument is always time. They count on there being at least some shadow of a doubt about how it is just slightly possible that given a few hundred millennia, xyz might happen. Now they can't even pretend the earth is old enough to prop up this ridiculous theory, so now they are hoping to find or invent some kind of "proof" that life started on another planet, preferably so far from earth that we have no way to study it.

:And by the way, I'm not a fan of "youtubers" who use poor video editing, interruptions, and all manner of other childish methods. There is nothing intellectual or scientific about the likes of these.

:There are so many things wrong with the theory of macroevolution, that I don't even know where to start. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:29, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

== Categories ==

Hello David, these two categories should probably be merged: [[:Category:DC]], [[:Category:Washington, DC]].

Also, these categories either should be moved (so they're capitalized) or deleted: [[:Category:Movies about Fathers and Sons]], [[:Category:Movies about fathers and daughters]], [[:Category:Movies about high school]], [[:Category:Movies about joining a clique]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 13:58, 1 May 2018 (EDT)

:I agree, and merged the two categories. The "DC" one is currently a redirect, though we could just delete that. Some of these other categories seem a little odd, such as "Movies about joining a clique" which only has two pages. However, there's no harm in keeping it I suppose. I'll move those soon. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 12:53, 2 May 2018 (EDT)
::Thanks! Would you please also take care of BHathorn's request [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Conservapedia:Contact_Us&curid=45451&diff=1418798&oldid=1409729 here] to move the article [[Leroy Shafer]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 14:43, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Done, thanks for pointing it out! Thanks also for the deletions. I was planning to delete DC2 after a few days, but leave it a little while so as not to confuse Andy if he revisits it to restore protection. No matter, it needed to be deleted eventually anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:21, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

I've been busy letting you know about categories with improper capitalization, but I created (and didn't notice) the [[:Category:Donald Trump achievements]] category, which also needs the "A" capitalized. Would you please fix that? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 11 May 2018 (EDT)
:Also, would you please move [[Iranian nuke deal]] to "Iran nuclear deal" (for which a redirect already exists)? The latter is a more common term and the former's wording is a bit awkward, I think. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:07, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

::Done! It is sometimes surprising how easy it is to make a mistake that you are generally fixing after others make it... --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:37, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::Thanks, and that's true. One thing: your bot made several unhelpful changes when it fixed the category, mainly by removing necessary "<nowiki> </nowiki>" tags and changing the "main article" template at the top to a format that doesn't suit the article. I reverted all those changes while keeping the constructive ones. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:40, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

::::I was just looking at your reversions. Sorry about that! I had a minor problem with the bot, and needed to revert to an earlier version of it. Unfortunately, I forgot to update the edit rules (and some code), so it did everything the original regex engine creator intended. I'll try to avoid that in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 15:43, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

:::::That's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 15:45, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move these two categories to fix their capitalization: [[:Category:English activists]], [[:Category:Counter-jihad activists]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:10, 3 June 2018 (EDT)
:Would you also please move [[:Category:Self-defense]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:31, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

::Will do, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 01:07, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Finally done. Sorry for the wait! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:43, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks, and that's OK. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 08:02, 19 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the [[United Nations human rights council]] page over the rightly-capitalized [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council&redirect=no redirect]? Also, the page [[Human Rights Commission]] should be moved to [[United Nations Human Rights Commission]] (and also, the latter organization ceased to exist upon the council's creation, though the CP article doesn't show that). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 00:04, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

:I think those should be all set. The [[United Nations human rights council]] redirect could be deleted, but there are currently pages linking to that name, so corrections will be needed. I can do that later (if I'm not to scatter-brained to remember) or you can. Let me know if there's anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 00:54, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
::I think I fixed the rest of these issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 10:11, 20 June 2018 (EDT)

== Move request for California nebula ==

Could you move [[California nebula]] to [[Barnard's loop]]? I messed up and wrote it on the wrong page. [[User:FredericBernard|FredericBernard]] ([[User talk:FredericBernard|talk]]) 13:13, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

:Of course! I've moved the page, and removed the redirect since this was a mistake. (If you want a redirect, feel free to add one, though.) --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 14:40, 3 May 2018 (EDT)

::Please move this page to an essay and delete the redirect (along with any other formatting/categories/etc.): [[The evil of the school system]] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 18:53, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::Done: [[Essay:The evil of the school system]] --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 20:21, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

::::Thanks! Would you also please check the essay for plagiarism (just to be safe)? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:55, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

:::::I was going to say that it's a good idea regardless (one I should have thought of), but I actually found something. It appears that the essay is an expansion on this article: https://politicalfestdotblog.wordpress.com/2018/01/17/school-kids-are-usually-unhealthy/
:::::However, that is very much an unfinished site, so it may well have been created by the same person who posted this essay here. This text does not seem to exist on any other indexed pages on the Internet right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 22:43, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
::::::Oh, and the screen names posting the text on CP and the wordpress site are the same. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:03, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

Would you please move the article [[By-election]] to [[Special election]], which is the American term for the same concept? Also, would you please move [[:Category:List of Law Enforcement Agencies]] to [[:Category:Law Enforcement Agencies]]? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:51, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:In addition to the above, I would appreciate it if you would move the articles [[New Orleans Hornets]] and [[Charlotte Bobcats]] per the recent edits on it. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:59, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

::I've done all but the category. I will do that one later, when I get the chance to set up the bot. I recommend leaving all of the redirect in place (except for the upcoming category one), but it's up to you. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:09, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
:::I agree -- leaving all the redirects is the best (and only reasonable) decision. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 25 June 2018 (EDT)
::::Please also move the page [[Massresistence]] to [[MassResistance]]. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::Done, redirect left in place. Sorry for the wait, I have not been feeling well. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:36, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
::::::You're welcome, and I hope you're feeling better. However, the link above I suggested is still red. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 23:39, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, not so much I'm afraid. Perhaps I can blame that for this blunder?? ;)
:::::::It should be right now. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:53, 9 July 2018 (EDT)

Would it be OK if you move [[Leftwing violence in the Trump era]] to [[Left-wing violence in the Trump era]], and fix the double redirects that will result from this? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 20:35, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

:It's probably fine. Maybe I should have posed a proposal first, but I just did it. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:39, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

::Would you also please move [[:Category:Complex analysis]] to capitalize the "a" and delete the resulting redirect? --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:42, 29 July 2018 (EDT)

:::Of course! Will do, but it might take a little while. --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:06, 1 August 2018 (EDT)

::::In addition to the above, would you please move the [[Open ended questions]] article to [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Open-ended_question&redirect=no Open-ended question] (now a redirect)? Pinley tried doing it manually, though we should move pages the correct way. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 21:08, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:::::Done. I'm working on transferring my bot to a new system, which is why I'm taking so long on the category moves. I will do it eventually, but I prefer to use the bot to do the hard work. Apologies for the wait on those! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 21:12, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Hi! A few things... I was wondering if you could move [[Primary sex characteristics]] to [[Primary sex characteristic]], since [[Secondary sex characteristic]] is singular. Additionally, [[Chartist movement]] should be merged with [[Chartism]]. Thanks! --[[User:Pinely|Pinely]] ([[User talk:Pinely|TALK]]) 23:45, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

:Hello! I have moved that page as requested. I can do the merge later, but not right now. Thanks for the suggestions! --[[User:DavidB4|David B]] ([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]]) 23:48, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

Hello, DavidB4: thanks for your informative messages on my talk page. I don't think that we'll be able to find a free alternative to New Line Cinema's copyrighted material, so could you upload an image under a rationale such as this?: '''This image is being used in an informative way and should not detract from the film and does not limit New Line Cinema's ability to sell or show the film.'''
—[[User:Fëalórin|Fëalórin]], A Child of Him Whose Love Never Fails 20:11, 8 August 2018 (EDT)

The Lord of the Rings

2018-08-09T00:03:19Z

Fëalórin:

[[Image:Mhjfjfr7.jpg|thumb|350px|The covers for the three volumes of ''The Lord of the Rings'', designed by Tolkien.]]

'''''The Lord of the Rings''''' is a lengthy fantasy novel written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]. ''The Lord of the Rings'' is considered one of the most influential works of the [[fantasy]] genre in modern times.

The story of ''The Lord of the Rings'' is about the war of the peoples of Middle-Earth against a Dark Lord named Sauron, the eponymous "Lord of the Rings". The most powerful ring falls into the hands of a hobbit named Frodo Baggins, who is sent on a quest to destroy the One Ring deep within the enemy territory of Mordor.

== Creation ==

The Lord of the Rings was published in three parts in the years 1954 and 1955, and was preceded by the prologue, ''[[The Hobbit]]''.

=== Writing ===
After the success of his earlier book ''[[The Hobbit]]'', Tolkien's publishers persuaded him to write a sequel. He began writing in December 1937, but the first drafts were still far away from the finished version. After writing and re-writing the beginning several times, Tolkien realized the role of the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] and the quest it entailed in the spring of 1938, while writing the discussion between Gildor Inglorion and the later [[Frodo Baggins]]. This was the point upon which the back story and central quest that would be ''The Lord of the Rings'' came together in his mind. It was also the point that he firmly set the book's plot into his already existing [[Middle-earth]] legendarium. Whereas the ''The Hobbit'' had before been separate from his Middle-earth mythology, while still borrowing ideas, names, and persons from it, Tolkien now consciously moved it and its sequel into the Middle-earth setting. This resulted in the changes in tone, and in the meaning of formerly unimportant things as the 'magic ring' and the Necromancer, who both gained literary importance in the sequel. While the ''The Hobbit'' was written as a story intended for his children, ''The Lord of the Rings'' due to the realization of the later plot, soon became an epic tale of much greater proportions, both in plot and in length.

The earlier drafts and versions of ''The Lord of the Rings'' were published posthumously by his son Christopher Tolkien in ''The History of The Lord of the Rings'' (1988-1992), which are volumes VI–IX of ''The History of Middle-earth''.

In the story of the Middle-earth legendarium, ''The Hobbit'' appears as Bilbo's story of his journey and the finding of the Ring, while ''The Lord of the Rings'' are Frodo's later additions of the War of the Ring, both of which form the ''[[Red Book of Westmarch]]''.

=== Publication ===
Although often wrongly thought to be a [[trilogy]], ''The Lord of the Rings'' was conceived by the author as a single work. Its internal structure divides it into six 'books', named Book I-VI, according to the plot, with several appendices and an index. Because of paper shortages, the amount of paper needed and to reduce financial risk, it was released by the publisher [[Allen & Unwin]] in three volumes, each containing two Books:
#''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]''
#''[[The Two Towers]]''
#''[[The Return of the King]]''
This resulted in the common error of calling ''The Lord of the Rings'' a [[trilogy]], a term which Tolkien rejected, just as he disliked the book being published in separate volumes. The first two volumes were published in 1954, and the third in 1955. It was initially published in hardbound.

In 1965 an American paperback publisher released a "pirated" paperback edition, paying Tolkien nothing, in the belief that Tolkien's copyright in the U. S. was defective because of a technicality. Tolkien reached a legal settlement with this publisher, and another publisher released an authorized edition for which Tolkien was paid royalties. The book was an instant success, particularly among college students.

== Story ==
=== Background story ===
In the [[Second Age (Middle-earth)|Second Age]] the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] created the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] to help him conquer the peoples of Middle-earth. The [[Quendi|Elves]] and [[Man (Middle-earth)|Men]] of Middle-earth, led by High King Gil-galad of the [[Noldor]] and King Elendil of the [[Arnor|Dúnedain]], formed the ''[[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]'' to fight him. Sauron was defeated and the Ring cut from his hand, thus the ''[[War of the Last Alliance]]'' ended, beginning the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]].

The story takes place at a time when the Elves, immortal and fairest of all beings in the world, are leaving the war-weary world to sail to the blessed realm of [[Valinor]]. With the departure of the Elves, the Age of Men has come. But the Dark Lord [[Sauron]], not truly killed at the end of the last Age, has been regaining power over the millennia since his defeat. Instrumental in his survival was the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]], which had kept him alive, and for which he now searches. This Ring, which had been lost for millennia, fell by chance into the hands of the [[hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]], the story of which is told in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. At the beginning of ''The Lord of the Rings'', sixty years have passed since Bilbo found the One Ring.

=== The Fellowship of the Ring ===
==== Book I ====
The [[Hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]] celebrates his 111th birthday, after which he leaves [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]] to travel once more, leaving his home Bag End and his [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|magic ring]] to his heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].

In [[Middle-earth chronology|T.A.]] 3018, Frodo is visited by his old friend, the Wizard [[Gandalf]], who tells him of the Ring's history and gives him the task of taking the Ring to the [[Quendi|Elven]] refuge [[Rivendell]]. Frodo leaves the Shire joined by his friends [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam Gamgee]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry Brandybuck]], and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin Took]], all the while pursued by the mysterious otherworldly [[Nazgûl|Black Riders]], servants of Sauron. After an adventurous time they arrive in [[Breeland|Bree]], where they meet the human Ranger [[Aragorn|Strider]]. With his help they manage the make the last stretch of the way to the Ford of [[Bruinen]] at Rivendell.

==== Book II ====
The group have made it to [[Rivendell]], where the Council of Elrond decides over further action. The Ring shall be destroyed, which can only be done in [[Mount Doom]] in Sauron's land [[Mordor]] where it was forged. A group of companions are chosen to accompany Frodo on his quest, forming the Fellowship of the Ring: the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, the Wizard [[Gandalf|Gandalf the Grey]], [[Gimli son of Glóin|Gimli]] the Dwarf, [[Legolas]] the Elf, and the Men [[Boromir]] of [[Gondor]] and [[Aragorn|Aragorn of the Dúnedain]]. The Fellowship journeys south, and after failing to cross the [[Misty Mountains]], goes under them through the Dwarven [[Khazad-dûm|Mines of Moria]]. There they are attacked by Orcs and lose their leader Gandalf to the [[Balrog]]. The Fellowship rest in the Elven realm [[Lothlórien]], and continue by boat down the river [[Anduin]]. At the Falls of Rauros they rest again, and Boromir tries unsuccessfully to take the Ring from Frodo. While the Fellowship searches for him, Frodo secretly leaves them behind to continue his quest all by himself, but Sam catches up with him and joins him on his way to Mordor.

=== The Two Towers ===
==== Book III ====
Boromir is mortally wounded defending Merry and Pippin from Orcs. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli decide to follow the Orcs into [[Rohan (Middle-earth)|Rohan]] to rescue the kidnapped hobbits. Merry and Pippin manage to escape [[Saruman]]'s Orcs at [[Fangorn|Fangorn Forest]], where they meet [[Treebeard]] the Ent. The tree-like Ents hold council, and decide to attack Saruman at [[Isengard]]. In Fangorn Forest Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli meet the returned Gandalf the White, who takes them to the capital [[Edoras]], where they join [[Théoden|King Théoden of Rohan]] in the fight against Saruman. The forces of Rohan prevail against Saruman's armies in the ''Battle of the [[Helm's Deep|Hornburg]]''. Afterwards they go to Isengard to confront Saruman, whom is cast out of the Order by Gandalf. Pippin picks up the ''[[palantír]]'', and alerts Sauron to their presence. Gandalf and Pippin set of for [[Gondor]].

==== Book IV ====
Back in the Emyn Muil, Frodo and Sam journey east towards Mordor, trailed by [[Gollum]]. They capture him and he promises to lead them on their way. They travel though the Dead Marshes to the [[Morannon|Black Gate]], where Gollum leads them south. In [[Ithilien]] they are captured by [[Faramir]] of Gondor, but he releases them after hearing about their quest. Gollum leads them to and abandons them at the Pass of [[Cirith Ungol]], where they are attacked by the giant spider Shelob. Assuming Frodo dead, Sam takes the Ring to finish the quest on his own. Frodo's body is taken by a patrol of Orcs, who reveal that Frodo is only paralyzed. Sam, who has secretly followed them, tries to rescue Frodo, but is late and locked out of the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

=== The Return of the King ===
==== Book V ====
Gandalf and Pippin arrive in the city of [[Minas Tirith]], where they meet [[Denethor|Steward Denethor II]] of Gondor, and Pippin enters his service. Aragorn and his companions are joined by a group of Rangers from Rivendell. They go through the [[Ered Nimrais|Paths of the Dead]] and Aragorn summons the Dead Men of Dunharrow to his aid, and then rides east. King Théoden is summoned to Gondor, and the Rohirrim and Merry ride to Minas Tirith. Minas Tirith is besieged by the Sauron's armies. The following ''Battle of the [[Pelennor Fields]]'' is won with the help of the Rohirrim and the arrival of Aragorn with reinforcements from the southern regions of Gondor. Théoden is killed, but Éowyn and Merry slay the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]. Aragorn leads the combined forces of the West against Sauron in a move to distract him from Frodo, resulting in the ''Battle of the [[Morannon|Black Gate]]''.

==== Book VI ====
Sam rescues Frodo and returns the Ring to him. They continue the trek across Mordor. At Mount Doom they are attacked by Gollum. Frodo succumbs to the power of the Ring, claims it as his own and puts it on. Gollum fights him, biting off his finger and taking the Ring, but slips and falls into the [[Sammath Naur|Cracks of Doom]], destroying the Ring. Sauron is defeated and his power crumbles. The ''Battle of the Black Gate'' is won, and Gandalf sends the Eagles to rescue Frodo and Sam. Aragorn becomes King of Arnor and Gondor. Everyone returns homeward, and the hobbits return to [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]]. The land has been taken over by Saruman and his men, but after the ''Scouring of the Shire'' led by the returned hobbits, Saruman is killed and the hobbits can begin reordering their land. After a few years Frodo, who has been greatly hurt and burdenend though his quest and the Ring, traveled to the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]]. There he bids his hobbit-friends good-bye, and leaves together with Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel for the Undying Lands in the West, ending the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] of Middle-earth. Sam, Merry and Pippin return to the Shire and their homes.

=== Appendices ===
''The Lord of the Rings'' is followed by six appendices, which give more background and detail on the history, peoples, languages, and various other topics of Middle-earth.
* '''Appendix A Annals of the Kings and Rulers''': contains further information on the history of [[Númenor]], [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], and of the [[Lôgrad|Rohirrim]] and [[Durin's Folk]].
* '''Appendix B The Tale of Years (Chronology of the Westlands)''': contains the timeline and chronicles of the [[Middle-earth chronology|Ages]].
* '''Appendix D Calendars''': the different [[Middle-earth chronology|calendar systems]].
* '''Appendix E Writing and Spelling''': on the pronunciation and the [[Tolkien's scripts|scripts]].
* '''Appendix F''': overview of the [[Tolkien's languages|languages]], and notes on the fictional "translation" of the book from the [[Westron]] language.

== Reception ==
From the beginning, ''The Lord of the Rings'' has received very mixed reviews, which range from high praise to condemnation. ''The Lord of the Rings'' has been considered one of the most influential works on the modern time [[fantasy]] genre.

In 1965, a US-American pirated paperback edition and the surrounding trouble spread awareness of ''The Lord of the Rings'' in the United States, where it soon gained a strong following.

Many times people have tried to interpret ''The Lord of the Rings'' as an [[allegory]]. Tolkien himself renounced that claim, stating he disliked allegory and that the ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory, which he also explained in the foreword to the book's second edition. Instead of being allegorical, he said that the book had a quality he called "applicability": because it was a story about universal themes and struggles, it could be likened to almost any situation in real life.<ref>"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. [...] The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. [...] Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref> This universality would result in it often being interpreted as an allegory, sometimes ironically from opposing ideological sides. For instance, J. R. R. Tolkien was a [[Roman Catholic]], and despite his statements that ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory some readers have seen [[Christian]] undertones in ''The Lord of the Rings.'' <ref>"Much as it is possible to identify allegories of the Second World war into ''The Lord of the Rings'', it is possible to identify any number of Christian allegories as well" in Smith, J. and Matthews, J.C. ''The Lord of the Rings:the Films, the books, the radio series'' (Virgin Books 2004), p.116.</ref> Tolkien himself specifically discounted the belief that he wrote the book as a direct Christian allegory—or any other sort of allegory, which he went on record as "cordially disliking" and saw as besides the point of good storytelling in the medieval sense, and preferring "applicability"—in contrast with the overt and acknowledged allegories in the works of Tolkien's friend, [[C. S. Lewis]].<ref>''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'', #129</ref>

Tolkien's scarring experiences in [[World War I]] and his distaste for destructive industrialism - seen in the books in his characterization of [[Saruman]]'s armies - has been an influence on his works, as acknowledged by himself.<ref>"An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience [...] One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. [...] It has indeed some basis in experience, though slender (for the economic situation was entirely different), and much further back. The country in which I lived in childhood was being shabbily destroyed before I was ten, in days when motor-cars were rare objects (I had never seen one) and men were still building suburban railways. Recently I saw in a paper a picture of the last decrepitude of the once thriving corn-mill beside its pool that long ago seemed to me so important.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref><ref>John Garth, "Tolkien and the Great War: the Threshold of Middle Earth," available at [http://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Great-War-Threshold-Middle-earth/dp/0618331298 Amazon.com].</ref> However, Tolkien did state that "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision[]"—which indicates his devoted faith.<ref>[https://www.grin.com/document/22410]</ref>

== Sequel ==

Tolkien attempted to write a sequel to ''The Lord of the Rings''. Although he did a first draft, he would never complete it. The unfinished work is now part of the 12th volume of ''The History of Middle-earth'', under the title of ''The New Shadow''.

== Adaptions ==
''The Lord of the Rings'' has been adapted full or in part in a variety of media. Among these are films, stage plays and a musical.

=== The Lord of the Rings film trilogy ===
'''''The Lord of the Rings'' film trilogy''' were three films based on the book, all directed by [[Peter Jackson]], produced by [[New Line Cinema]] and filmed in [[New Zealand]]. The film titles were derived from the three volumes:

* ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001)|The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' (2001)
* ''[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'' (2002)
* ''[[The Return of the King (film, 2003)|The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'' (2003)

The films were released annually in cinemas from December 2001 to 2003. DVD releases of the cinema version and Special Extended Editions have also been released for each film. Each extended edition includes four discs, two of bonus material.

The Lord of the Rings film trilogy received universal acclaim from critics and fans alike. Some even cited it as "the [[Star Wars]] Trilogy for [[Millennials]]". The trilogy has 30 Oscar nominations, winning 17 of them. One of them being Best Picture, which was won by ''The Return of the King'' at the 76th Academy Awards in 2004. ''The Return of the King'' is also the only film in cinematic history that won every Oscar it was nominated for, 11 in all. It is tied with ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]'' and ''[[Ben-Hur (1959 film)|Ben-Hur]]'' as the film that won the most Academy Awards in cinematic history.<ref>[http://www.filmsite.org/oscars2.html#1]</ref> Both the first and third films in the series also won [[Movieguide]]'s "Best Movie for Mature Audiences" award in 2002 and 2004, respectively.<ref>[https://movieguideawards.com/category/winners/]</ref>

== References ==
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== See also ==
*''[[The Hobbit]]''

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The Lord of the Rings

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[[Image:Mhjfjfr7.jpg|thumb|350px|The covers for the three volumes of ''The Lord of the Rings'', designed by Tolkien.]]

'''''The Lord of the Rings''''' is a lengthy fantasy novel written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]. ''The Lord of the Rings'' is considered one of the most influential works of the [[fantasy]] genre in modern times.

The story of ''The Lord of the Rings'' is about the war of the peoples of Middle-Earth against a Dark Lord named Sauron, the eponymous "Lord of the Rings". The most powerful ring falls into the hands of a hobbit named Frodo Baggins, who is sent on a quest to destroy the One Ring deep within the enemy territory of Mordor.

== Creation ==

The Lord of the Rings was published in three parts in the years 1954 and 1955, and was preceded by the prologue, ''[[The Hobbit]]''.

=== Writing ===
After the success of his earlier book ''[[The Hobbit]]'', Tolkien's publishers persuaded him to write a sequel. He began writing in December 1937, but the first drafts were still far away from the finished version. After writing and re-writing the beginning several times, Tolkien realized the role of the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] and the quest it entailed in the spring of 1938, while writing the discussion between Gildor Inglorion and the later [[Frodo Baggins]]. This was the point upon which the back story and central quest that would be ''The Lord of the Rings'' came together in his mind. It was also the point that he firmly set the book's plot into his already existing [[Middle-earth]] legendarium. Whereas the ''The Hobbit'' had before been separate from his Middle-earth mythology, while still borrowing ideas, names, and persons from it, Tolkien now consciously moved it and its sequel into the Middle-earth setting. This resulted in the changes in tone, and in the meaning of formerly unimportant things as the 'magic ring' and the Necromancer, who both gained literary importance in the sequel. While the ''The Hobbit'' was written as a story intended for his children, ''The Lord of the Rings'' due to the realization of the later plot, soon became an epic tale of much greater proportions, both in plot and in length.

The earlier drafts and versions of ''The Lord of the Rings'' were published posthumously by his son Christopher Tolkien in ''The History of The Lord of the Rings'' (1988-1992), which are volumes VI–IX of ''The History of Middle-earth''.

In the story of the Middle-earth legendarium, ''The Hobbit'' appears as Bilbo's story of his journey and the finding of the Ring, while ''The Lord of the Rings'' are Frodo's later additions of the War of the Ring, both of which form the ''[[Red Book of Westmarch]]''.

=== Publication ===
Although often wrongly thought to be a [[trilogy]], ''The Lord of the Rings'' was conceived by the author as a single work. Its internal structure divides it into six 'books', named Book I-VI, according to the plot, with several appendices and an index. Because of paper shortages, the amount of paper needed and to reduce financial risk, it was released by the publisher [[Allen & Unwin]] in three volumes, each containing two Books:
#''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]''
#''[[The Two Towers]]''
#''[[The Return of the King]]''
This resulted in the common error of calling ''The Lord of the Rings'' a [[trilogy]], a term which Tolkien rejected, just as he disliked the book being published in separate volumes. The first two volumes were published in 1954, and the third in 1955. It was initially published in hardbound.

In 1965 an American paperback publisher released a "pirated" paperback edition, paying Tolkien nothing, in the belief that Tolkien's copyright in the U. S. was defective because of a technicality. Tolkien reached a legal settlement with this publisher, and another publisher released an authorized edition for which Tolkien was paid royalties. The book was an instant success, particularly among college students.

== Story ==
=== Background story ===
In the [[Second Age (Middle-earth)|Second Age]] the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] created the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] to help him conquer the peoples of Middle-earth. The [[Quendi|Elves]] and [[Man (Middle-earth)|Men]] of Middle-earth, led by High King Gil-galad of the [[Noldor]] and King Elendil of the [[Arnor|Dúnedain]], formed the ''[[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]'' to fight him. Sauron was defeated and the Ring cut from his hand, thus the ''[[War of the Last Alliance]]'' ended, beginning the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]].

The story takes place at a time when the Elves, immortal and fairest of all beings in the world, are leaving the war-weary world to sail to the blessed realm of [[Valinor]]. With the departure of the Elves, the Age of Men has come. But the Dark Lord [[Sauron]], not truly killed at the end of the last Age, has been regaining power over the millennia since his defeat. Instrumental in his survival was the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]], which had kept him alive, and for which he now searches. This Ring, which had been lost for millennia, fell by chance into the hands of the [[hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]], the story of which is told in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. At the beginning of ''The Lord of the Rings'', sixty years have passed since Bilbo found the One Ring.

=== The Fellowship of the Ring ===
==== Book I ====
The [[Hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]] celebrates his 111th birthday, after which he leaves [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]] to travel once more, leaving his home Bag End and his [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|magic ring]] to his heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].

In [[Middle-earth chronology|T.A.]] 3018, Frodo is visited by his old friend, the Wizard [[Gandalf]], who tells him of the Ring's history and gives him the task of taking the Ring to the [[Quendi|Elven]] refuge [[Rivendell]]. Frodo leaves the Shire joined by his friends [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam Gamgee]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry Brandybuck]], and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin Took]], all the while pursued by the mysterious otherworldly [[Nazgûl|Black Riders]], servants of Sauron. After an adventurous time they arrive in [[Breeland|Bree]], where they meet the human Ranger [[Aragorn|Strider]]. With his help they manage the make the last stretch of the way to the Ford of [[Bruinen]] at Rivendell.

==== Book II ====
The group have made it to [[Rivendell]], where the Council of Elrond decides over further action. The Ring shall be destroyed, which can only be done in [[Mount Doom]] in Sauron's land [[Mordor]] where it was forged. A group of companions are chosen to accompany Frodo on his quest, forming the Fellowship of the Ring: the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, the Wizard [[Gandalf|Gandalf the Grey]], [[Gimli son of Glóin|Gimli]] the Dwarf, [[Legolas]] the Elf, and the Men [[Boromir]] of [[Gondor]] and [[Aragorn|Aragorn of the Dúnedain]]. The Fellowship journeys south, and after failing to cross the [[Misty Mountains]], goes under them through the Dwarven [[Khazad-dûm|Mines of Moria]]. There they are attacked by Orcs and lose their leader Gandalf to the [[Balrog]]. The Fellowship rest in the Elven realm [[Lothlórien]], and continue by boat down the river [[Anduin]]. At the Falls of Rauros they rest again, and Boromir tries unsuccessfully to take the Ring from Frodo. While the Fellowship searches for him, Frodo secretly leaves them behind to continue his quest all by himself, but Sam catches up with him and joins him on his way to Mordor.

=== The Two Towers ===
==== Book III ====
Boromir is mortally wounded defending Merry and Pippin from Orcs. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli decide to follow the Orcs into [[Rohan (Middle-earth)|Rohan]] to rescue the kidnapped hobbits. Merry and Pippin manage to escape [[Saruman]]'s Orcs at [[Fangorn|Fangorn Forest]], where they meet [[Treebeard]] the Ent. The tree-like Ents hold council, and decide to attack Saruman at [[Isengard]]. In Fangorn Forest Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli meet the returned Gandalf the White, who takes them to the capital [[Edoras]], where they join [[Théoden|King Théoden of Rohan]] in the fight against Saruman. The forces of Rohan prevail against Saruman's armies in the ''Battle of the [[Helm's Deep|Hornburg]]''. Afterwards they go to Isengard to confront Saruman, whom is cast out of the Order by Gandalf. Pippin picks up the ''[[palantír]]'', and alerts Sauron to their presence. Gandalf and Pippin set of for [[Gondor]].

==== Book IV ====
Back in the Emyn Muil, Frodo and Sam journey east towards Mordor, trailed by [[Gollum]]. They capture him and he promises to lead them on their way. They travel though the Dead Marshes to the [[Morannon|Black Gate]], where Gollum leads them south. In [[Ithilien]] they are captured by [[Faramir]] of Gondor, but he releases them after hearing about their quest. Gollum leads them to and abandons them at the Pass of [[Cirith Ungol]], where they are attacked by the giant spider Shelob. Assuming Frodo dead, Sam takes the Ring to finish the quest on his own. Frodo's body is taken by a patrol of Orcs, who reveal that Frodo is only paralyzed. Sam, who has secretly followed them, tries to rescue Frodo, but is late and locked out of the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

=== The Return of the King ===
==== Book V ====
Gandalf and Pippin arrive in the city of [[Minas Tirith]], where they meet [[Denethor|Steward Denethor II]] of Gondor, and Pippin enters his service. Aragorn and his companions are joined by a group of Rangers from Rivendell. They go through the [[Ered Nimrais|Paths of the Dead]] and Aragorn summons the Dead Men of Dunharrow to his aid, and then rides east. King Théoden is summoned to Gondor, and the Rohirrim and Merry ride to Minas Tirith. Minas Tirith is besieged by the Sauron's armies. The following ''Battle of the [[Pelennor Fields]]'' is won with the help of the Rohirrim and the arrival of Aragorn with reinforcements from the southern regions of Gondor. Théoden is killed, but Éowyn and Merry slay the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]. Aragorn leads the combined forces of the West against Sauron in a move to distract him from Frodo, resulting in the ''Battle of the [[Morannon|Black Gate]]''.

==== Book VI ====
Sam rescues Frodo and returns the Ring to him. They continue the trek across Mordor. At Mount Doom they are attacked by Gollum. Frodo succumbs to the power of the Ring, claims it as his own and puts it on. Gollum fights him, biting off his finger and taking the Ring, but slips and falls into the [[Sammath Naur|Cracks of Doom]], destroying the Ring. Sauron is defeated and his power crumbles. The ''Battle of the Black Gate'' is won, and Gandalf sends the Eagles to rescue Frodo and Sam. Aragorn becomes King of Arnor and Gondor. Everyone returns homeward, and the hobbits return to [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]]. The land has been taken over by Saruman and his men, but after the ''Scouring of the Shire'' led by the returned hobbits, Saruman is killed and the hobbits can begin reordering their land. After a few years Frodo, who has been greatly hurt and burdenend though his quest and the Ring, traveled to the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]]. There he bids his hobbit-friends good-bye, and leaves together with Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel for the Undying Lands in the West, ending the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] of Middle-earth. Sam, Merry and Pippin return to the Shire and their homes.

=== Appendices ===
''The Lord of the Rings'' is followed by six appendices, which give more background and detail on the history, peoples, languages, and various other topics of Middle-earth.
* '''Appendix A Annals of the Kings and Rulers''': contains further information on the history of [[Númenor]], [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], and of the [[Lôgrad|Rohirrim]] and [[Durin's Folk]].
* '''Appendix B The Tale of Years (Chronology of the Westlands)''': contains the timeline and chronicles of the [[Middle-earth chronology|Ages]].
* '''Appendix D Calendars''': the different [[Middle-earth chronology|calendar systems]].
* '''Appendix E Writing and Spelling''': on the pronunciation and the [[Tolkien's scripts|scripts]].
* '''Appendix F''': overview of the [[Tolkien's languages|languages]], and notes on the fictional "translation" of the book from the [[Westron]] language.

== Reception ==
From the beginning, ''The Lord of the Rings'' has received very mixed reviews, which range from high praise to condemnation. ''The Lord of the Rings'' has been considered one of the most influential works on the modern time [[fantasy]] genre.

In 1965, a US-American pirated paperback edition and the surrounding trouble spread awareness of ''The Lord of the Rings'' in the United States, where it soon gained a strong following.

Many times people have tried to interpret ''The Lord of the Rings'' as an [[allegory]]. Tolkien himself renounced that claim, stating he disliked allegory and that the ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory, which he also explained in the foreword to the book's second edition. Instead of being allegorical, he said that the book had a quality he called "applicability": because it was a story about universal themes and struggles, it could be likened to almost any situation in real life.<ref>"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. [...] The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. [...] Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref> This universality would result in it often being interpreted as an allegory, sometimes ironically from opposing ideological sides. For instance, J. R. R. Tolkien was a [[Roman Catholic]], and despite his statements that ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory some readers have seen [[Christian]] undertones in ''The Lord of the Rings.'' <ref>"Much as it is possible to identify allegories of the Second World war into ''The Lord of the Rings'', it is possible to identify any number of Christian allegories as well" in Smith, J. and Matthews, J.C. ''The Lord of the Rings:the Films, the books, the radio series'' (Virgin Books 2004), p.116.</ref> Tolkien himself specifically discounted the belief that he wrote the book as a direct Christian allegory—or any other sort of allegory, which he went on record as "cordially disliking" and saw as besides the point of good storytelling in the medieval sense, and preferring "applicability"—in contrast with the overt and acknowledged allegories in the works of Tolkien's friend, [[C. S. Lewis]].<ref>''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'', #129</ref>

Tolkien's scarring experiences in [[World War I]] and his distaste for destructive industrialism - seen in the books in his characterization of [[Saruman]]'s armies - has been an influence on his works, as acknowledged by himself.<ref>"An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience [...] One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. [...] It has indeed some basis in experience, though slender (for the economic situation was entirely different), and much further back. The country in which I lived in childhood was being shabbily destroyed before I was ten, in days when motor-cars were rare objects (I had never seen one) and men were still building suburban railways. Recently I saw in a paper a picture of the last decrepitude of the once thriving corn-mill beside its pool that long ago seemed to me so important.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref><ref>John Garth, "Tolkien and the Great War: the Threshold of Middle Earth," available at [http://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Great-War-Threshold-Middle-earth/dp/0618331298 Amazon.com].</ref> However, Tolkien did state that "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision[]"—which indicates his devoted faith.<ref>[https://www.grin.com/document/22410]</ref>

== Sequel ==

Tolkien attempted to write a sequel to ''The Lord of the Rings''. Although he did a first draft, he would never complete it. The unfinished work is now part of the 12th volume of ''The History of Middle-earth'', under the title of ''The New Shadow''.

== Adaptions ==
''The Lord of the Rings'' has been adapted full or in part in a variety of media. Among these are films, stage plays and a musical.

=== The Lord of the Rings film trilogy ===
'''''The Lord of the Rings'' film trilogy''' were three films based on the book, all directed by [[Peter Jackson]], produced by New Line Cinema and filmed in New Zealand. The film titles were derived from the three volumes:

* ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001)|The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' (2001)
* ''[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'' (2002)
* ''[[The Return of the King (film, 2003)|The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'' (2003)

The films were released annually in cinemas from December 2001 to 2003. DVD releases of the cinema version and Special Extended Editions have also been released for each film. Each extended edition includes four discs, two of bonus material.

The Lord of the Rings film trilogy received universal acclaim from critics and fans alike. Some even cited it as "the Star Wars Trilogy for Millennials". The trilogy has 30 Oscar nominations, winning 17 of them. One of them being Best Picture, which was won by ''The Return of the King'' at the 76th Academy Awards in 2004. ''The Return of the King'' is also the only film in cinematic history that won every Oscar it was nominated for, 11 in all. It is tied with ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]'' and ''[[Ben-Hur (1959 film)|Ben-Hur]]'' as the film that won the most Academy Awards in cinematic history.<ref>[http://www.filmsite.org/oscars2.html#1]</ref> Both the first and third films in the series also won [[Movieguide]]'s "Best Movie for Mature Audiences" award in 2002 and 2004, respectively.<ref>[https://movieguideawards.com/category/winners/]</ref>

== References ==
{{reflist|2}}

== See also ==
*''[[The Hobbit]]''

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The Lord of the Rings

2018-08-09T00:00:14Z

Fëalórin:

[[Image:Mhjfjfr7.jpg|thumb|350px|The covers for the three volumes of ''The Lord of the Rings'', designed by Tolkien.]]

'''''The Lord of the Rings''''' is a lengthy fantasy novel written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]. ''The Lord of the Rings'' is considered one of the most influential works of the [[fantasy]] genre in modern times.

The story of ''The Lord of the Rings'' is about the war of the peoples of Middle-Earth against a Dark Lord named Sauron, the eponymous "Lord of the Rings". The most powerful ring falls into the hands of a hobbit named Frodo Baggins, who is sent on a quest to destroy the One Ring deep within the enemy territory of Mordor.

== Creation ==

The Lord of the Rings was published in three parts in the years 1954 and 1955, and was preceded by the prologue, ''[[The Hobbit]]''.

=== Writing ===
After the success of his earlier book ''[[The Hobbit]]'', Tolkien's publishers persuaded him to write a sequel. He began writing in December 1937, but the first drafts were still far away from the finished version. After writing and re-writing the beginning several times, Tolkien realized the role of the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] and the quest it entailed in the spring of 1938, while writing the discussion between Gildor Inglorion and the later [[Frodo Baggins]]. This was the point upon which the back story and central quest that would be ''The Lord of the Rings'' came together in his mind. It was also the point that he firmly set the book's plot into his already existing [[Middle-earth]] legendarium. Whereas the ''The Hobbit'' had before been separate from his Middle-earth mythology, while still borrowing ideas, names, and persons from it, Tolkien now consciously moved it and its sequel into the Middle-earth setting. This resulted in the changes in tone, and in the meaning of formerly unimportant things as the 'magic ring' and the Necromancer, who both gained literary importance in the sequel. While the ''The Hobbit'' was written as a story intended for his children, ''The Lord of the Rings'' due to the realization of the later plot, soon became an epic tale of much greater proportions, both in plot and in length.

The earlier drafts and versions of ''The Lord of the Rings'' were published posthumously by his son Christopher Tolkien in ''The History of The Lord of the Rings'' (1988-1992), which are volumes VI–IX of ''The History of Middle-earth''.

In the story of the Middle-earth legendarium, ''The Hobbit'' appears as Bilbo's story of his journey and the finding of the Ring, while ''The Lord of the Rings'' are Frodo's later additions of the War of the Ring, both of which form the ''[[Red Book of Westmarch]]''.

=== Publication ===
Although often wrongly thought to be a [[trilogy]], ''The Lord of the Rings'' was conceived by the author as a single work. Its internal structure divides it into six 'books', named Book I-VI, according to the plot, with several appendices and an index. Because of paper shortages, the amount of paper needed and to reduce financial risk, it was released by the publisher [[Allen & Unwin]] in three volumes, each containing two Books:
#''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]''
#''[[The Two Towers]]''
#''[[The Return of the King]]''
This resulted in the common error of calling ''The Lord of the Rings'' a [[trilogy]], a term which Tolkien rejected, just as he disliked the book being published in separate volumes. The first two volumes were published in 1954, and the third in 1955. It was initially published in hardbound.

In 1965 an American paperback publisher released a "pirated" paperback edition, paying Tolkien nothing, in the belief that Tolkien's copyright in the U. S. was defective because of a technicality. Tolkien reached a legal settlement with this publisher, and another publisher released an authorized edition for which Tolkien was paid royalties. The book was an instant success, particularly among college students.

== Story ==
=== Background story ===
In the [[Second Age (Middle-earth)|Second Age]] the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] created the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] to help him conquer the peoples of Middle-earth. The [[Quendi|Elves]] and [[Man (Middle-earth)|Men]] of Middle-earth, led by High King Gil-galad of the [[Noldor]] and King Elendil of the [[Arnor|Dúnedain]], formed the ''[[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]'' to fight him. Sauron was defeated and the Ring cut from his hand, thus the ''[[War of the Last Alliance]]'' ended, beginning the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]].

The story takes place at a time when the Elves, immortal and fairest of all beings in the world, are leaving the war-weary world to sail to the blessed realm of [[Valinor]]. With the departure of the Elves, the Age of Men has come. But the Dark Lord [[Sauron]], not truly killed at the end of the last Age, has been regaining power over the millennia since his defeat. Instrumental in his survival was the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]], which had kept him alive, and for which he now searches. This Ring, which had been lost for millennia, fell by chance into the hands of the [[hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]], the story of which is told in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. At the beginning of ''The Lord of the Rings'', sixty years have passed since Bilbo found the One Ring.

=== The Fellowship of the Ring ===
==== Book I ====
The [[Hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]] celebrates his 111th birthday, after which he leaves [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]] to travel once more, leaving his home Bag End and his [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|magic ring]] to his heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].

In [[Middle-earth chronology|T.A.]] 3018, Frodo is visited by his old friend, the Wizard [[Gandalf]], who tells him of the Ring's history and gives him the task of taking the Ring to the [[Quendi|Elven]] refuge [[Rivendell]]. Frodo leaves the Shire joined by his friends [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam Gamgee]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry Brandybuck]], and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin Took]], all the while pursued by the mysterious otherworldly [[Nazgûl|Black Riders]], servants of Sauron. After an adventurous time they arrive in [[Breeland|Bree]], where they meet the human Ranger [[Aragorn|Strider]]. With his help they manage the make the last stretch of the way to the Ford of [[Bruinen]] at Rivendell.

==== Book II ====
The group have made it to [[Rivendell]], where the Council of Elrond decides over further action. The Ring shall be destroyed, which can only be done in [[Mount Doom]] in Sauron's land [[Mordor]] where it was forged. A group of companions are chosen to accompany Frodo on his quest, forming the Fellowship of the Ring: the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, the Wizard [[Gandalf|Gandalf the Grey]], [[Gimli son of Glóin|Gimli]] the Dwarf, [[Legolas]] the Elf, and the Men [[Boromir]] of [[Gondor]] and [[Aragorn|Aragorn of the Dúnedain]]. The Fellowship journeys south, and after failing to cross the [[Misty Mountains]], goes under them through the Dwarven [[Khazad-dûm|Mines of Moria]]. There they are attacked by Orcs and lose their leader Gandalf to the [[Balrog]]. The Fellowship rest in the Elven realm [[Lothlórien]], and continue by boat down the river [[Anduin]]. At the Falls of Rauros they rest again, and Boromir tries unsuccessfully to take the Ring from Frodo. While the Fellowship searches for him, Frodo secretly leaves them behind to continue his quest all by himself, but Sam catches up with him and joins him on his way to Mordor.

=== The Two Towers ===
==== Book III ====
Boromir is mortally wounded defending Merry and Pippin from Orcs. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli decide to follow the Orcs into [[Rohan (Middle-earth)|Rohan]] to rescue the kidnapped hobbits. Merry and Pippin manage to escape [[Saruman]]'s Orcs at [[Fangorn|Fangorn Forest]], where they meet [[Treebeard]] the Ent. The tree-like Ents hold council, and decide to attack Saruman at [[Isengard]]. In Fangorn Forest Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli meet the returned Gandalf the White, who takes them to the capital [[Edoras]], where they join [[Théoden|King Théoden of Rohan]] in the fight against Saruman. The forces of Rohan prevail against Saruman's armies in the ''Battle of the [[Helm's Deep|Hornburg]]''. Afterwards they go to Isengard to confront Saruman, whom is cast out of the Order by Gandalf. Pippin picks up the ''[[palantír]]'', and alerts Sauron to their presence. Gandalf and Pippin set of for [[Gondor]].

==== Book IV ====
Back in the Emyn Muil, Frodo and Sam journey east towards Mordor, trailed by [[Gollum]]. They capture him and he promises to lead them on their way. They travel though the Dead Marshes to the [[Morannon|Black Gate]], where Gollum leads them south. In [[Ithilien]] they are captured by [[Faramir]] of Gondor, but he releases them after hearing about their quest. Gollum leads them to and abandons them at the Pass of [[Cirith Ungol]], where they are attacked by the giant spider Shelob. Assuming Frodo dead, Sam takes the Ring to finish the quest on his own. Frodo's body is taken by a patrol of Orcs, who reveal that Frodo is only paralyzed. Sam, who has secretly followed them, tries to rescue Frodo, but is late and locked out of the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

=== The Return of the King ===
==== Book V ====
Gandalf and Pippin arrive in the city of [[Minas Tirith]], where they meet [[Denethor|Steward Denethor II]] of Gondor, and Pippin enters his service. Aragorn and his companions are joined by a group of Rangers from Rivendell. They go through the [[Ered Nimrais|Paths of the Dead]] and Aragorn summons the Dead Men of Dunharrow to his aid, and then rides east. King Théoden is summoned to Gondor, and the Rohirrim and Merry ride to Minas Tirith. Minas Tirith is besieged by the Sauron's armies. The following ''Battle of the [[Pelennor Fields]]'' is won with the help of the Rohirrim and the arrival of Aragorn with reinforcements from the southern regions of Gondor. Théoden is killed, but Éowyn and Merry slay the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]. Aragorn leads the combined forces of the West against Sauron in a move to distract him from Frodo, resulting in the ''Battle of the [[Morannon|Black Gate]]''.

==== Book VI ====
Sam rescues Frodo and returns the Ring to him. They continue the trek across Mordor. At Mount Doom they are attacked by Gollum. Frodo succumbs to the power of the Ring, claims it as his own and puts it on. Gollum fights him, biting off his finger and taking the Ring, but slips and falls into the [[Sammath Naur|Cracks of Doom]], destroying the Ring. Sauron is defeated and his power crumbles. The ''Battle of the Black Gate'' is won, and Gandalf sends the Eagles to rescue Frodo and Sam. Aragorn becomes King of Arnor and Gondor. Everyone returns homeward, and the hobbits return to [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]]. The land has been taken over by Saruman and his men, but after the ''Scouring of the Shire'' led by the returned hobbits, Saruman is killed and the hobbits can begin reordering their land. After a few years Frodo, who has been greatly hurt and burdenend though his quest and the Ring, traveled to the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]]. There he bids his hobbit-friends good-bye, and leaves together with Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel for the Undying Lands in the West, ending the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] of Middle-earth. Sam, Merry and Pippin return to the Shire and their homes.

=== Appendices ===
''The Lord of the Rings'' is followed by six appendices, which give more background and detail on the history, peoples, languages, and various other topics of Middle-earth.
* '''Appendix A Annals of the Kings and Rulers''': contains further information on the history of [[Númenor]], [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], and of the [[Lôgrad|Rohirrim]] and [[Durin's Folk]].
* '''Appendix B The Tale of Years (Chronology of the Westlands)''': contains the timeline and chronicles of the [[Middle-earth chronology|Ages]].
* '''Appendix D Calendars''': the different [[Middle-earth chronology|calendar systems]].
* '''Appendix E Writing and Spelling''': on the pronunciation and the [[Tolkien's scripts|scripts]].
* '''Appendix F''': overview of the [[Tolkien's languages|languages]], and notes on the fictional "translation" of the book from the [[Westron]] language.

== Reception ==
From the beginning, ''The Lord of the Rings'' has received very mixed reviews, which range from high praise to condemnation. ''The Lord of the Rings'' has been considered one of the most influential works on the modern time [[fantasy]] genre.

In 1965, a US-American pirated paperback edition and the surrounding trouble spread awareness of ''The Lord of the Rings'' in the United States, where it soon gained a strong following.

Many times people have tried to interpret ''The Lord of the Rings'' as an [[allegory]]. Tolkien himself renounced that claim, stating he disliked allegory and that the ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory, which he also explained in the foreword to the book's second edition. Instead of being allegorical, he said that the book had a quality he called "applicability": because it was a story about universal themes and struggles, it could be likened to almost any situation in real life.<ref>"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. [...] The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. [...] Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref> This universality would result in it often being interpreted as an allegory, sometimes ironically from opposing ideological sides. For instance, J. R. R. Tolkien was a [[Roman Catholic]], and despite his statements that ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory some readers have seen [[Christian]] undertones in ''The Lord of the Rings.'' <ref>"Much as it is possible to identify allegories of the Second World war into ''The Lord of the Rings'', it is possible to identify any number of Christian allegories as well" in Smith, J. and Matthews, J.C. ''The Lord of the Rings:the Films, the books, the radio series'' (Virgin Books 2004), p.116.</ref> Tolkien himself specifically discounted the belief that he wrote the book as a direct Christian allegory—or any other sort of allegory, which he went on record as "cordially disliking" and saw as besides the point of good storytelling in the medieval sense, and preferring "applicability"—in contrast with the overt and acknowledged allegories in the works of Tolkien's friend, [[C. S. Lewis]].<ref>''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'', #129</ref>

Tolkien's scarring experiences in [[World War I]] and his distaste for destructive industrialism - seen in the books in his characterization of [[Saruman]]'s armies - has been an influence on his works, as acknowledged by himself.<ref>"An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience [...] One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. [...] It has indeed some basis in experience, though slender (for the economic situation was entirely different), and much further back. The country in which I lived in childhood was being shabbily destroyed before I was ten, in days when motor-cars were rare objects (I had never seen one) and men were still building suburban railways. Recently I saw in a paper a picture of the last decrepitude of the once thriving corn-mill beside its pool that long ago seemed to me so important.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref><ref>John Garth, "Tolkien and the Great War: the Threshold of Middle Earth," available at [http://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Great-War-Threshold-Middle-earth/dp/0618331298 Amazon.com].</ref>

== Sequel ==

Tolkien attempted to write a sequel to ''The Lord of the Rings''. Although he did a first draft, he would never complete it. The unfinished work is now part of the 12th volume of ''The History of Middle-earth'', under the title of ''The New Shadow''.

== Adaptions ==
''The Lord of the Rings'' has been adapted full or in part in a variety of media. Among these are films, stage plays and a musical.

=== The Lord of the Rings film trilogy ===
'''''The Lord of the Rings'' film trilogy''' were three films based on the book, all directed by [[Peter Jackson]], produced by New Line Cinema and filmed in New Zealand. The film titles were derived from the three volumes:

* ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001)|The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' (2001)
* ''[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'' (2002)
* ''[[The Return of the King (film, 2003)|The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'' (2003)

The films were released annually in cinemas from December 2001 to 2003. DVD releases of the cinema version and Special Extended Editions have also been released for each film. Each extended edition includes four discs, two of bonus material.

The Lord of the Rings film trilogy received universal acclaim from critics and fans alike. Some even cited it as "the Star Wars Trilogy for Millennials". The trilogy has 30 Oscar nominations, winning 17 of them. One of them being Best Picture, which was won by ''The Return of the King'' at the 76th Academy Awards in 2004. ''The Return of the King'' is also the only film in cinematic history that won every Oscar it was nominated for, 11 in all. It is tied with ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]'' and ''[[Ben-Hur (1959 film)|Ben-Hur]]'' as the film that won the most Academy Awards in cinematic history.<ref>[http://www.filmsite.org/oscars2.html#1]</ref> Both the first and third films in the series also won [[Movieguide]]'s "Best Movie for Mature Audiences" award in 2002 and 2004, respectively.<ref>[https://movieguideawards.com/category/winners/]</ref>

== References ==
{{reflist|2}}

== See also ==
*''[[The Hobbit]]''

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The Lord of the Rings

2018-08-08T14:06:38Z

Fëalórin:

[[Image:Mhjfjfr7.jpg|thumb|350px|The covers for the three volumes of ''The Lord of the Rings'', designed by Tolkien.]]

'''''The Lord of the Rings''''' is a lengthy fantasy novel written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]. ''The Lord of the Rings'' is considered one of the most influential works of the [[fantasy]] genre in modern times.

The story of ''The Lord of the Rings'' is about the war of the peoples of Middle-Earth against a Dark Lord named Sauron, the eponymous "Lord of the Rings". The most powerful ring falls into the hands of a hobbit named Frodo Baggins, who is sent on a quest to destroy the One Ring deep within the enemy territory of Mordor.

== Creation ==

The Lord of the Rings was published in three parts in the years 1954 and 1955, and was preceded by the prologue, ''[[The Hobbit]]''.

=== Writing ===
After the success of his earlier book ''[[The Hobbit]]'', Tolkien's publishers persuaded him to write a sequel. He began writing in December 1937, but the first drafts were still far away from the finished version. After writing and re-writing the beginning several times, Tolkien realized the role of the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] and the quest it entailed in the spring of 1938, while writing the discussion between Gildor Inglorion and the later [[Frodo Baggins]]. This was the point upon which the back story and central quest that would be ''The Lord of the Rings'' came together in his mind. It was also the point that he firmly set the book's plot into his already existing [[Middle-earth]] legendarium. Whereas the ''The Hobbit'' had before been separate from his Middle-earth mythology, while still borrowing ideas, names, and persons from it, Tolkien now consciously moved it and its sequel into the Middle-earth setting. This resulted in the changes in tone, and in the meaning of formerly unimportant things as the 'magic ring' and the Necromancer, who both gained literary importance in the sequel. While the ''The Hobbit'' was written as a story intended for his children, ''The Lord of the Rings'' due to the realization of the later plot, soon became an epic tale of much greater proportions, both in plot and in length.

The earlier drafts and versions of ''The Lord of the Rings'' were published posthumously by his son Christopher Tolkien in ''The History of The Lord of the Rings'' (1988-1992), which are volumes VI–IX of ''The History of Middle-earth''.

In the story of the Middle-earth legendarium, ''The Hobbit'' appears as Bilbo's story of his journey and the finding of the Ring, while ''The Lord of the Rings'' are Frodo's later additions of the War of the Ring, both of which form the ''[[Red Book of Westmarch]]''.

=== Publication ===
Although often wrongly thought to be a [[trilogy]], ''The Lord of the Rings'' was conceived by the author as a single work. Its internal structure divides it into six 'books', named Book I-VI, according to the plot, with several appendices and an index. Because of paper shortages, the amount of paper needed and to reduce financial risk, it was released by the publisher [[Allen & Unwin]] in three volumes, each containing two Books:
#''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]''
#''[[The Two Towers]]''
#''[[The Return of the King]]''
This resulted in the common error of calling ''The Lord of the Rings'' a [[trilogy]], a term which Tolkien rejected, just as he disliked the book being published in separate volumes. The first two volumes were published in 1954, and the third in 1955. It was initially published in hardbound.

In 1965 an American paperback publisher released a "pirated" paperback edition, paying Tolkien nothing, in the belief that Tolkien's copyright in the U. S. was defective because of a technicality. Tolkien reached a legal settlement with this publisher, and another publisher released an authorized edition for which Tolkien was paid royalties. The book was an instant success, particularly among college students.

== Story ==
=== Background story ===
In the [[Second Age (Middle-earth)|Second Age]] the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] created the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] to help him conquer the peoples of Middle-earth. The [[Quendi|Elves]] and [[Man (Middle-earth)|Men]] of Middle-earth, led by High King Gil-galad of the [[Noldor]] and King Elendil of the [[Arnor|Dúnedain]], formed the ''[[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]'' to fight him. Sauron was defeated and the Ring cut from his hand, thus the ''[[War of the Last Alliance]]'' ended, beginning the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]].

The story takes place at a time when the Elves, immortal and fairest of all beings in the world, are leaving the war-weary world to sail to the blessed realm of [[Valinor]]. With the departure of the Elves, the Age of Men has come. But the Dark Lord [[Sauron]], not truly killed at the end of the last Age, has been regaining power over the millennia since his defeat. Instrumental in his survival was the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]], which had kept him alive, and for which he now searches. This Ring, which had been lost for millennia, fell by chance into the hands of the [[hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]], the story of which is told in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. At the beginning of ''The Lord of the Rings'', sixty years have passed since Bilbo found the One Ring.

=== The Fellowship of the Ring ===
==== Book I ====
The [[Hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]] celebrates his 111th birthday, after which he leaves [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]] to travel once more, leaving his home Bag End and his [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|magic ring]] to his heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].

In [[Middle-earth chronology|T.A.]] 3018, Frodo is visited by his old friend, the Wizard [[Gandalf]], who tells him of the Ring's history and gives him the task of taking the Ring to the [[Quendi|Elven]] refuge [[Rivendell]]. Frodo leaves the Shire joined by his friends [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam Gamgee]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry Brandybuck]], and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin Took]], all the while pursued by the mysterious otherworldly [[Nazgûl|Black Riders]], servants of Sauron. After an adventurous time they arrive in [[Breeland|Bree]], where they meet the human Ranger [[Aragorn|Strider]]. With his help they manage the make the last stretch of the way to the Ford of [[Bruinen]] at Rivendell.

==== Book II ====
The group have made it to [[Rivendell]], where the Council of Elrond decides over further action. The Ring shall be destroyed, which can only be done in [[Mount Doom]] in Sauron's land [[Mordor]] where it was forged. A group of companions are chosen to accompany Frodo on his quest, forming the Fellowship of the Ring: the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, the Wizard [[Gandalf|Gandalf the Grey]], [[Gimli son of Glóin|Gimli]] the Dwarf, [[Legolas]] the Elf, and the Men [[Boromir]] of [[Gondor]] and [[Aragorn|Aragorn of the Dúnedain]]. The Fellowship journeys south, and after failing to cross the [[Misty Mountains]], goes under them through the Dwarven [[Khazad-dûm|Mines of Moria]]. There they are attacked by Orcs and lose their leader Gandalf to the [[Balrog]]. The Fellowship rest in the Elven realm [[Lothlórien]], and continue by boat down the river [[Anduin]]. At the Falls of Rauros they rest again, and Boromir tries unsuccessfully to take the Ring from Frodo. While the Fellowship searches for him, Frodo secretly leaves them behind to continue his quest all by himself, but Sam catches up with him and joins him on his way to Mordor.

=== The Two Towers ===
==== Book III ====
Boromir is mortally wounded defending Merry and Pippin from Orcs. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli decide to follow the Orcs into [[Rohan (Middle-earth)|Rohan]] to rescue the kidnapped hobbits. Merry and Pippin manage to escape [[Saruman]]'s Orcs at [[Fangorn|Fangorn Forest]], where they meet [[Treebeard]] the Ent. The tree-like Ents hold council, and decide to attack Saruman at [[Isengard]]. In Fangorn Forest Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli meet the returned Gandalf the White, who takes them to the capital [[Edoras]], where they join [[Théoden|King Théoden of Rohan]] in the fight against Saruman. The forces of Rohan prevail against Saruman's armies in the ''Battle of the [[Helm's Deep|Hornburg]]''. Afterwards they go to Isengard to confront Saruman, whom is cast out of the Order by Gandalf. Pippin picks up the ''[[palantír]]'', and alerts Sauron to their presence. Gandalf and Pippin set of for [[Gondor]].

==== Book IV ====
Back in the Emyn Muil, Frodo and Sam journey east towards Mordor, trailed by [[Gollum]]. They capture him and he promises to lead them on their way. They travel though the Dead Marshes to the [[Morannon|Black Gate]], where Gollum leads them south. In [[Ithilien]] they are captured by [[Faramir]] of Gondor, but he releases them after hearing about their quest. Gollum leads them to and abandons them at the Pass of [[Cirith Ungol]], where they are attacked by the giant spider Shelob. Assuming Frodo dead, Sam takes the Ring to finish the quest on his own. Frodo's body is taken by a patrol of Orcs, who reveal that Frodo is only paralyzed. Sam, who has secretly followed them, tries to rescue Frodo, but is late and locked out of the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

=== The Return of the King ===
==== Book V ====
Gandalf and Pippin arrive in the city of [[Minas Tirith]], where they meet [[Denethor|Steward Denethor II]] of Gondor, and Pippin enters his service. Aragorn and his companions are joined by a group of Rangers from Rivendell. They go through the [[Ered Nimrais|Paths of the Dead]] and Aragorn summons the Dead Men of Dunharrow to his aid, and then rides east. King Théoden is summoned to Gondor, and the Rohirrim and Merry ride to Minas Tirith. Minas Tirith is besieged by the Sauron's armies. The following ''Battle of the [[Pelennor Fields]]'' is won with the help of the Rohirrim and the arrival of Aragorn with reinforcements from the southern regions of Gondor. Théoden is killed, but Éowyn and Merry slay the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]. Aragorn leads the combined forces of the West against Sauron in a move to distract him from Frodo, resulting in the ''Battle of the [[Morannon|Black Gate]]''.

==== Book VI ====
Sam rescues Frodo and returns the Ring to him. They continue the trek across Mordor. At Mount Doom they are attacked by Gollum. Frodo succumbs to the power of the Ring, claims it as his own and puts it on. Gollum fights him, biting off his finger and taking the Ring, but slips and falls into the [[Sammath Naur|Cracks of Doom]], destroying the Ring. Sauron is defeated and his power crumbles. The ''Battle of the Black Gate'' is won, and Gandalf sends the Eagles to rescue Frodo and Sam. Aragorn becomes King of Arnor and Gondor. Everyone returns homeward, and the hobbits return to [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]]. The land has been taken over by Saruman and his men, but after the ''Scouring of the Shire'' led by the returned hobbits, Saruman is killed and the hobbits can begin reordering their land. After a few years Frodo, who has been greatly hurt and burdenend though his quest and the Ring, traveled to the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]]. There he bids his hobbit-friends good-bye, and leaves together with Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel for the Undying Lands in the West, ending the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] of Middle-earth. Sam, Merry and Pippin return to the Shire and their homes.

=== Appendices ===
''The Lord of the Rings'' is followed by six appendices, which give more background and detail on the history, peoples, languages, and various other topics of Middle-earth.
* '''Appendix A Annals of the Kings and Rulers''': contains further information on the history of [[Númenor]], [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], and of the [[Lôgrad|Rohirrim]] and [[Durin's Folk]].
* '''Appendix B The Tale of Years (Chronology of the Westlands)''': contains the timeline and chronicles of the [[Middle-earth chronology|Ages]].
* '''Appendix D Calendars''': the different [[Middle-earth chronology|calendar systems]].
* '''Appendix E Writing and Spelling''': on the pronunciation and the [[Tolkien's scripts|scripts]].
* '''Appendix F''': overview of the [[Tolkien's languages|languages]], and notes on the fictional "translation" of the book from the [[Westron]] language.

== Reception ==
From the beginning, ''The Lord of the Rings'' has received very mixed reviews, which range from high praise to condemnation. ''The Lord of the Rings'' has been considered one of the most influential works on the modern time [[fantasy]] genre.

In 1965, a US-American pirated paperback edition and the surrounding trouble spread awareness of ''The Lord of the Rings'' in the United States, where it soon gained a strong following.

Many times people have tried to interpret ''The Lord of the Rings'' as an [[allegory]]. Tolkien himself renounced that claim, stating he disliked allegory and that the ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory, which he also explained in the foreword to the book's second edition. Instead of being allegorical, he said that the book had a quality he called "applicability": because it was a story about universal themes and struggles, it could be likened to almost any situation in real life.<ref>"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. [...] The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. [...] Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref> This universality would result in it often being interpreted as an allegory, sometimes ironically from opposing ideological sides. For instance, J. R. R. Tolkien was a [[Roman Catholic]], and despite his statements that ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory some readers have seen [[Christian]] undertones in ''The Lord of the Rings.'' <ref>"Much as it is possible to identify allegories of the Second World war into ''The Lord of the Rings'', it is possible to identify any number of Christian allegories as well" in Smith, J. and Matthews, J.C. ''The Lord of the Rings:the Films, the books, the radio series'' (Virgin Books 2004), p.116.</ref> Tolkien himself specifically discounted the belief that he wrote the book as a direct Christian allegory—or any other sort of allegory, which he went on record as "cordially disliking" and saw as besides the point of good storytelling in the medieval sense, and preferring "applicability"—in contrast with the overt and acknowledged allegories in the works of Tolkien's friend, [[C. S. Lewis]].<ref>''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'', #129</ref>

Tolkien's scarring experiences in [[World War I]] and his distaste for destructive industrialism - seen in the books in his characterization of [[Saruman]]'s armies - has been an influence on his works, as acknowledged by himself.<ref>"An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience [...] One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. [...] It has indeed some basis in experience, though slender (for the economic situation was entirely different), and much further back. The country in which I lived in childhood was being shabbily destroyed before I was ten, in days when motor-cars were rare objects (I had never seen one) and men were still building suburban railways. Recently I saw in a paper a picture of the last decrepitude of the once thriving corn-mill beside its pool that long ago seemed to me so important.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref><ref>John Garth, "Tolkien and the Great War: the Threshold of Middle Earth," available at [http://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Great-War-Threshold-Middle-earth/dp/0618331298 Amazon.com].</ref> However, Tolkien did state that "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision[]"—which indicates his devoted faith.<ref>[https://www.grin.com/document/22410]</ref>

== Sequel ==

Tolkien attempted to write a sequel to ''The Lord of the Rings''. Although he did a first draft, he would never complete it. The unfinished work is now part of the 12th volume of ''The History of Middle-earth'', under the title of ''The New Shadow''.

== Adaptions ==
''The Lord of the Rings'' has been adapted full or in part in a variety of media. Among these are films, stage plays and a musical.

=== The Lord of the Rings film trilogy ===
'''''The Lord of the Rings'' film trilogy''' were three films based on the book, all directed by [[Peter Jackson]], produced by [[New Line Cinema]] and filmed in [[New Zealand]]. The film titles were derived from the three volumes:

* ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001)|The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' (2001)
* ''[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'' (2002)
* ''[[The Return of the King (film, 2003)|The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'' (2003)

The films were released annually in cinemas from December 2001 to 2003. DVD releases of the cinema version and Special Extended Editions have also been released for each film. Each extended edition includes four discs, two of bonus material.

The Lord of the Rings film trilogy received universal acclaim from critics and fans alike. Some even cited it as "the Star Wars Trilogy for Millennials". The trilogy has 30 Oscar nominations, winning 17 of them. One of them being Best Picture, which was won by ''The Return of the King'' at the 76th Academy Awards in 2004. ''The Return of the King'' is also the only film in cinematic history that won every Oscar it was nominated for, 11 in all. It is tied with ''[[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]]'' and ''[[The Ten Commandments (1956 film)|The Ten Commandments]]'' as the film that won the most Academy Awards in cinematic history.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Academy_Award_records]</ref> Both the first and third films in the series also won [[Movieguide]]'s "Best Movie for Mature Audiences" award in 2002 and 2004, respectively.<ref>[https://movieguideawards.com/category/winners/]</ref>

== References ==
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== See also ==
*''[[The Hobbit]]''

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Hey!! Welcome to Conservapedia. [[User:BethanyS|~Beth]][[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']] 13:40, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

'''[[User talk:AddisonDM/archive1|Archive #1]]'''

== Idiots ==

Sorry, didn't see you had posted to the user, will unblock him, let you decide. --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 21:53, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

:Thanks. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 22:17, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Galatians question ==
Sorry if this sounds sarcastic or something, but what about the accounts of "hermaphrodites" or "androgynous people"? Do those count towards "male" or "female"? Just wondering, since I'm not too well versed in the Bible anymore. [[User:JonathanG|JonG]] 12:54, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

:What verses is that in? Biologically, I really don't know how you would class those people. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 13:28, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::It's the quote on your user page. [[User:JonathanG|JonG]] 13:57, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

:::Oh haha. I don't know. I guess it depends on how you define gender, which could be by appearance, by genetics (maybe) or something. The point of the verse though is just to illustrate that every kind of person can be united in Christ. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 13:59, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Moving==
Thanks for cleaning all that up, now to work on those German football pages again! Yay, more tedious copying and pasting! :) [[User:JY23|JY23]] 13:51, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

:Thanks. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 13:53, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Actually that was my assignment for me. Sorry for any offense caused or any misunderstanding that may have occurred. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 13:55, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

:::No I know that, I mean thanks for "cleaning all that up"! [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 13:57, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

== Please block Dodger ==

Vandal/parodist. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinx McHue]] 13:23, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

== Sorry... ==

I forgot to do what I promised you I would....but noticed you at least finally put them back. Sorry for my lack of mental acuity, Addison. --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 03:10, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

:lol that's okay! [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 11:57, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

== Vandals ==

Good work! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 19:10, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

:Thanks! It's getting to be almost boring! [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 19:14, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Featured articles ==

Your help is needed. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 20:48, 1 August 2009 (EDT) --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 21:53, 19 September 2009 (EDT)
: Thank you! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 22:46, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
--[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 09:09, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

== [[Talk:Assassin's Creed]] ==

There was a dispute as to fact over [[Assassin's Creed]]. I rolled it back to as you left it, and locked it to prevent further edit warring. If you are of a mind, please take a look at it, and do what you feel is best, unlock, leave locked, revert my revert, etc. Thanks! --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 17:52, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

== Hello & Merry Christmas! ==

Nice to see you around, Addison! --<big>[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]</big>/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:10, 6 December 2010 (EST)

==Patrolling==

Thanks for today's reverts. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 16:23, 15 February 2011 (EST)

== Page delete review request ==

Hey Addison, could you take a look at [[Conservapedia:Platform]]? It was created by [[User:Keepscases]]; I placed a delete tag on the page because the Conservapedia namespace is, to my knowledge, reserved for guidelines - which new users shouldn't be creating. Thanks! --[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 14:21, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:Thanks again! Could you also delete [[Conservapedia:AFD Platform]] - where the user debated the articles merits with myself? Thanks.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 14:57, 6 March 2011 (EST)

==Template unlock request==
Hey! I made a very stupid spelling error on a template I made - spelling "Louis Brandeis" without the "o". Would you mind unlocking [[Template:Supreme Court]] so I could fix it, and then re-locking it (with cascading turned on) once I'm done? It shouldn't take more than a minute - just have to make two edits.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 19:13, 7 March 2011 (EST)
:Oop you left! Taken a deserved break, I see. In that case ignore this request! OR you could do me a huge favor and just change the typos on [[Template:Supreme Court/White]] (where it appears once) and [[Template:Supreme Court/Taft]] (four times) yourself - but if you're not comfortable doing that I can just have Andy unprotect the pages for me when we're next on at the same time. Once again thanks for the shout out tonight! And awesome work--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 19:37, 7 March 2011 (EST)

:I did them myself. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 22:35, 7 March 2011 (EST)
::ahh brilliant - thanks so much!--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 22:38, 7 March 2011 (EST)

== Request ==
Hello AddisonDM, could you please add [[Atheism and the suppression of science]] to [[Template:Nb Atheism|this template]]? I really appreciate it! With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 00:34, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:I also was wondering if you could please correct [[Template:User Indian|this template]] so that the following category might be associated with the userbox: [[:Category:Indian Conservapedians]]. Thanks in advance. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 01:44, 8 March 2011 (EST)

::Hi Anupam, both done! [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 14:11, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:::Hello AddisonDM, thanks for your kind help! I really appreciate it. I will try to create fewer newer categories here as you requested; I was a little unsure of how the language templates worked here so I assumed they worked like they do on Wikipedia. In regards to the [[Atheism and the suppression of science|article I created]], it now appears as the [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=atheism+and+suppression+of+science number one article] when searched in Google with the keywords "atheism," "suppression," and "science." Furthermore, when using the keywords "suppression," "of," "science," and "christian," Google yields the article as the [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=suppression+of+science+christian&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq= third one in the search]. When the keywords "suppression," "of," "science," and "catholic" are searched, Google yields the article as the [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=suppression+of+science+catholic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq= eighth choice]. The first search results are exciting to hear but the second and third search results are equally as important as well. This is because if secular individuals are trying to research the idea that the Church has persecuted science, they will find an article that talks about the suppression of science by atheists and can learn something new in that regard. Despite the fact that I only recently created this article, it has been featured in Google very quickly. In light of this fact, I am wondering if you, as an administrator, know if it can be featured on the main page of Conservapedia and if it can, could you please place the request for that or make the appropriate actions? I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance. I look forward to hearing from you soon. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 16:56, 8 March 2011 (EST)

::::Thanks about the categories. As to that article, it is a good article but I think it could use a little more work before we would feature it on the home page. Generally, articles should have been worked on a little and more been viewed more times before we link to them from the home page. But since it is an important topic, why don't we try and improve it and then maybe put it on the home page! [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 17:37, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:::::Thanks for your reply AddisionDM. As far as improvements, what are some of your suggestions? As of now, the article contains sixty-seven references. I look forward to your response. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 18:29, 8 March 2011 (EST)

::::::I thought the references were good, but it needs editing. Particularly the section about the Big Bang was a little unclear. Is your point that atheists rejected the Big Bang because it was invented by a Catholic (Christian) priest? [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 19:58, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:::::::There is much information in that article. The reason they rejected the big bang is because it carried with it theological implications of ''creation ex nihilo'', a religious concept. The article states: "In light of the theistic implications of the Big Bang, Fred Hoyle, an atheist scientist did not accept the Big Bang,[36] preferring a model that did not have a single epoch of creation which would eliminate the need for a creator.[37] As a result, Fred Holyle, Thomas Gold, and Hermann Bondi developed the steady state theory, which appealed to atheist cosmologists because it avoided a creation event and the religious implications associated with one." I hope this helps. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 20:35, 8 March 2011 (EST)

::::::::Ok, that is true. I just thought it was a bit unclearly written. Do you mind if I do some minor edits on the article just to improve the flow of it (not to change any content) and then I'll see if Mr. Schlafly would like it on the home page? [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 10:40, 9 March 2011 (EST)
:::::::::Sure that would be fine. I'll take a look at your revisions after you're done with it then! However, as of now, the article is neutral in that its content is supported by reliable references. When you speak with Mr. Schlafly, please let him know about its popularity on Google. I look forward to hearing from you soon. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 15:01, 10 March 2011 (EST)
::::::::::Addison DM, I also created a new article today on [[Atheism 3.0]]. Could you please add it to [[Template:Nb Atheism|this template]]? Thanks in advance! With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 23:09, 10 March 2011 (EST)
:::::::::::Addison DM, could you also please add [[Atheism and the suppression of science]] in a [[Template:Further|further tag]] to [[Atheism#Atheism_and_the_foundation_of_modern_science|this section]]? I would really appreciate it! Thanks, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 17:09, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Request for assistance ==

Hi Addison, I blocked and have been reverting the edits made by a user to the "Bias at Wikipedia" page but my computer keeps crashing when trying to revert this [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Examples_of_Bias_in_Wikipedia&curid=2896&diff=857585&oldid=856870 one last edit]. Can you assist? Thanks! [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 22:48, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

:Done! [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 22:56, 17 March 2011 (EDT)
::Thanks muchly! [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 23:01, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

== Status on Requests ==

Hello Addison DM, I hope you enjoyed Saint Patrick's Day yesterday. I was wondering about the status of these requests I submitted above. Would you mind letting me know when you can get around to them? I would really appreciate it! Also, do you know if their is a way that one can check the number of page views for a particular article as one can in Wikipedia? I look forward to hearing from you soon. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 23:36, 18 March 2011 (EDT)

:Hi, I added Atheism 3.0 to the template but I couldn't do the second thing- one of the pages wouldn't load. and the page view count is just at the very bottom of every page here. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 15:15, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
::Thank you AddisonDM! I really appreciate it! Were you still planning on editing [[Atheism and the suppression of science]] for readability? I look forward to your response. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 17:02, 22 March 2011 (EDT)
:::AddisonDM, I apologize for bothering you again. However, I was wondering if you could edit [[Template:Nb Atheism|this template]] so the article reads like this: <nowiki>[[Atheism and the rejection of science|Atheism and the Rejection of Science]]</nowiki> Changing the keywords in the template will allow more traffic to arrive at the article through searches using slightly different wording. Thanks for your time and understanding. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 19:37, 22 March 2011 (EDT)
::::AddisonDM, the article, [[Atheism and the suppression of science]], has been completed. Could you please consider featuring it on the main page or classifying it as an FA? I look forward to hearing from you soon. With regards, [[User:Anupam|Anupam]][[User talk:Anupam|Talk]] 15:29, 17 April 2011 (EDT)

== Please let me know if you want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel ==

Please let me know if you want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel. I invited someone to edit Conservapedia and they were blocked and they should not have been. I got the block overturned. So I think there is room for improvement in Conservapedia's blocking policy. You can sign up [[User:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|HERE]]. I invited active Syops/Admins plus people with blocking rights who might wish to be Sysops. If I left anyone out, please let them know about the panel. The people with blocking rights can sign up [[User talk:Conservative/Sysops who want to serve on a blocking policy refinement panel|HERE]]. The panel will probably convene when Iduan is back from his summer vacation or fairly soon afterwards. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 13:47, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

==DVMRoberts==
I have a troll on my case who is trying to instigate a fight involving the [[Ontario Secondary School Literacy Test|article]] I wrote regarding the Ontario Secondary School Literacy Test. He has been making minor edits with the description "''Obviously, you would have failed the test, Mikon8er''" repeated three times [http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Ontario_Secondary_School_Literacy_Test&action=history as seen here]. He joined less than two or three days ago as of April 9, 2012 and I suspect that someone on the internet has ratted me out and told him to troll me.

==Edit access during "off hours"==
Hello AddisonDM. I wish to be able to edit between
midnight and 7 AM Pacific Standard Time since I am free during
those hours. Would you please unblock my editing ability during
those hours? That is when I have the most free time. I sent an e-mail to conservapedia@zoho.com, cpwebmaster@conservapedia.com but with no reply.

Thank you,
God bless.
Jefferson Franklin
[[User:TheAmericanRedoubt|TheAmericanRedoubt]] 11:10, 9 November 2014 (EST)

==Ban==
Hello my old account got banned (6ebeast). It was banned by Ashclafly who has yet to tell me why or remove said ban. I have made zero edits on that account so I am quite confused about why my account was banned, could you please un-ban me and or at least let me know why I've been slapped with a 2 year suspension? ([[User:WashingtonLincoln|WashingtonLincoln]] 18:32, 3 January 2015 (EST))

I deleted my user page, but still appears in the history. Please help me delete my pages at conservapedia.com and my conservapedia.com account. Please delete them. (data-provider)

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Hi, I'm new to Conservapedia, and I really like it so far as it appeals to my Conservative Christian beliefs. Anyhow, I think I'll be editing some of your Tolkien-related articles, and I noticed that most of them don't' have any images. When I found that only certain users have upload privileges, I clicked on the first link on the administrator list (which happened to be yours), and here I am. Anyhow, to get right to the point, will you please upload an image of [[Gandalf]] for a start? Thanks!
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The Return of the King (2003 film)

2018-08-07T23:54:40Z

Fëalórin:

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'''The Return of the King''' is a film made by Peter Jackson adapting the last book in J.R.R. Tolkien's classic trilogy, [[The Lord of the Rings]]. The film made significant omissions, such as the omission of the battle in the Shire and death of Saruman (Saruman's death is shown in the extended edition, though it happens at Isengard instead of the Shire.) The film won all 11 of the Oscars it was nominated for, including Best Art Direction/Set Direction, Best Costume Design, Best Director, Best Editing, Best Makeup, Best Music/Original Score, Best Music/Original Song, Best Picture, Best Sound Mixing, Best Visual Effects and Best Writing/Adapted Screenplay. The film remains one of the joint-record holders for the most Academy Awards won, along with [[Ben-Hur (film, 1959)|Ben-Hur]] and [[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]].

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The Return of the King (2003 film)

2018-08-07T23:54:05Z

Fëalórin:

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'''The Return of the King''' is a film made by Peter Jackson adapting the last book in J.R.R. Tolkien's classic trilogy, [[The Lord of the Rings]]. The film made significant omissions, such as the omission of the battle in the Shire and death of Saruman (Saruman's death is shown in the extended edition, though it happens at Isengard instead of the Shire.) The film won all 11 of the Oscars it was nominated for, including Best Art Direction/Set Direction, Best Costume Design, Best Director, Best Editing, Best Makeup, Best Music/Original Score, Best Music/Original Song, Best Picture, Best Sound Mixing, Best Visual Effects and Best Writing/Adapted Screenplay. The film remains one of the joint-record holders for the most Academy Awards won, along with [[Ben-Hur (film, 1959)|Ben-Hur]] and [[Titanic (1997 film)|Titanic]].

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The Lord of the Rings

2018-08-07T23:50:56Z

Fëalórin: Adding relevant quote by Tolkien.

[[Image:Mhjfjfr7.jpg|thumb|350px|The covers for the three volumes of ''The Lord of the Rings'', designed by Tolkien.]]

'''''The Lord of the Rings''''' is a lengthy fantasy novel written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]. ''The Lord of the Rings'' is considered one of the most influential works of the [[fantasy]] genre in modern times.

The story of ''The Lord of the Rings'' is about the war of the peoples of Middle-Earth against a Dark Lord named Sauron, the eponymous "Lord of the Rings". The most powerful ring falls into the hands of a hobbit named Frodo Baggins, who is sent on a quest to destroy the One Ring deep within the enemy territory of Mordor.

== Creation ==

The Lord of the Rings was published in three parts in the years 1954 and 1955, and was preceded by the prologue, ''[[The Hobbit]]''.

=== Writing ===
After the success of his earlier book ''[[The Hobbit]]'', Tolkien's publishers persuaded him to write a sequel. He began writing in December 1937, but the first drafts were still far away from the finished version. After writing and re-writing the beginning several times, Tolkien realized the role of the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] and the quest it entailed in the spring of 1938, while writing the discussion between Gildor Inglorion and the later [[Frodo Baggins]]. This was the point upon which the back story and central quest that would be ''The Lord of the Rings'' came together in his mind. It was also the point that he firmly set the book's plot into his already existing [[Middle-earth]] legendarium. Whereas the ''The Hobbit'' had before been separate from his Middle-earth mythology, while still borrowing ideas, names, and persons from it, Tolkien now consciously moved it and its sequel into the Middle-earth setting. This resulted in the changes in tone, and in the meaning of formerly unimportant things as the 'magic ring' and the Necromancer, who both gained literary importance in the sequel. While the ''The Hobbit'' was written as a story intended for his children, ''The Lord of the Rings'' due to the realization of the later plot, soon became an epic tale of much greater proportions, both in plot and in length.

The earlier drafts and versions of ''The Lord of the Rings'' were published posthumously by his son Christopher Tolkien in ''The History of The Lord of the Rings'' (1988-1992), which are volumes VI–IX of ''The History of Middle-earth''.

In the story of the Middle-earth legendarium, ''The Hobbit'' appears as Bilbo's story of his journey and the finding of the Ring, while ''The Lord of the Rings'' are Frodo's later additions of the War of the Ring, both of which form the ''[[Red Book of Westmarch]]''.

=== Publication ===
Although often wrongly thought to be a [[trilogy]], ''The Lord of the Rings'' was conceived by the author as a single work. Its internal structure divides it into six 'books', named Book I-VI, according to the plot, with several appendices and an index. Because of paper shortages, the amount of paper needed and to reduce financial risk, it was released by the publisher [[Allen & Unwin]] in three volumes, each containing two Books:
#''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]''
#''[[The Two Towers]]''
#''[[The Return of the King]]''
This resulted in the common error of calling ''The Lord of the Rings'' a [[trilogy]], a term which Tolkien rejected, just as he disliked the book being published in separate volumes. The first two volumes were published in 1954, and the third in 1955. It was initially published in hardbound.

In 1965 an American paperback publisher released a "pirated" paperback edition, paying Tolkien nothing, in the belief that Tolkien's copyright in the U. S. was defective because of a technicality. Tolkien reached a legal settlement with this publisher, and another publisher released an authorized edition for which Tolkien was paid royalties. The book was an instant success, particularly among college students.

== Story ==
=== Background story ===
In the [[Second Age (Middle-earth)|Second Age]] the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] created the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] to help him conquer the peoples of Middle-earth. The [[Quendi|Elves]] and [[Man (Middle-earth)|Men]] of Middle-earth, led by High King Gil-galad of the [[Noldor]] and King Elendil of the [[Arnor|Dúnedain]], formed the ''[[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]'' to fight him. Sauron was defeated and the Ring cut from his hand, thus the ''[[War of the Last Alliance]]'' ended, beginning the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]].

The story takes place at a time when the Elves, immortal and fairest of all beings in the world, are leaving the war-weary world to sail to the blessed realm of [[Valinor]]. With the departure of the Elves, the Age of Men has come. But the Dark Lord [[Sauron]], not truly killed at the end of the last Age, has been regaining power over the millennia since his defeat. Instrumental in his survival was the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]], which had kept him alive, and for which he now searches. This Ring, which had been lost for millennia, fell by chance into the hands of the [[hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]], the story of which is told in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. At the beginning of ''The Lord of the Rings'', sixty years have passed since Bilbo found the One Ring.

=== The Fellowship of the Ring ===
==== Book I ====
The [[Hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]] celebrates his 111th birthday, after which he leaves [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]] to travel once more, leaving his home Bag End and his [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|magic ring]] to his heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].

In [[Middle-earth chronology|T.A.]] 3018, Frodo is visited by his old friend, the Wizard [[Gandalf]], who tells him of the Ring's history and gives him the task of taking the Ring to the [[Quendi|Elven]] refuge [[Rivendell]]. Frodo leaves the Shire joined by his friends [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam Gamgee]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry Brandybuck]], and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin Took]], all the while pursued by the mysterious otherworldly [[Nazgûl|Black Riders]], servants of Sauron. After an adventurous time they arrive in [[Breeland|Bree]], where they meet the human Ranger [[Aragorn|Strider]]. With his help they manage the make the last stretch of the way to the Ford of [[Bruinen]] at Rivendell.

==== Book II ====
The group have made it to [[Rivendell]], where the Council of Elrond decides over further action. The Ring shall be destroyed, which can only be done in [[Mount Doom]] in Sauron's land [[Mordor]] where it was forged. A group of companions are chosen to accompany Frodo on his quest, forming the Fellowship of the Ring: the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, the Wizard [[Gandalf|Gandalf the Grey]], [[Gimli son of Glóin|Gimli]] the Dwarf, [[Legolas]] the Elf, and the Men [[Boromir]] of [[Gondor]] and [[Aragorn|Aragorn of the Dúnedain]]. The Fellowship journeys south, and after failing to cross the [[Misty Mountains]], goes under them through the Dwarven [[Khazad-dûm|Mines of Moria]]. There they are attacked by Orcs and lose their leader Gandalf to the [[Balrog]]. The Fellowship rest in the Elven realm [[Lothlórien]], and continue by boat down the river [[Anduin]]. At the Falls of Rauros they rest again, and Boromir tries unsuccessfully to take the Ring from Frodo. While the Fellowship searches for him, Frodo secretly leaves them behind to continue his quest all by himself, but Sam catches up with him and joins him on his way to Mordor.

=== The Two Towers ===
==== Book III ====
Boromir is mortally wounded defending Merry and Pippin from Orcs. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli decide to follow the Orcs into [[Rohan (Middle-earth)|Rohan]] to rescue the kidnapped hobbits. Merry and Pippin manage to escape [[Saruman]]'s Orcs at [[Fangorn|Fangorn Forest]], where they meet [[Treebeard]] the Ent. The tree-like Ents hold council, and decide to attack Saruman at [[Isengard]]. In Fangorn Forest Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli meet the returned Gandalf the White, who takes them to the capital [[Edoras]], where they join [[Théoden|King Théoden of Rohan]] in the fight against Saruman. The forces of Rohan prevail against Saruman's armies in the ''Battle of the [[Helm's Deep|Hornburg]]''. Afterwards they go to Isengard to confront Saruman, whom is cast out of the Order by Gandalf. Pippin picks up the ''[[palantír]]'', and alerts Sauron to their presence. Gandalf and Pippin set of for [[Gondor]].

==== Book IV ====
Back in the Emyn Muil, Frodo and Sam journey east towards Mordor, trailed by [[Gollum]]. They capture him and he promises to lead them on their way. They travel though the Dead Marshes to the [[Morannon|Black Gate]], where Gollum leads them south. In [[Ithilien]] they are captured by [[Faramir]] of Gondor, but he releases them after hearing about their quest. Gollum leads them to and abandons them at the Pass of [[Cirith Ungol]], where they are attacked by the giant spider Shelob. Assuming Frodo dead, Sam takes the Ring to finish the quest on his own. Frodo's body is taken by a patrol of Orcs, who reveal that Frodo is only paralyzed. Sam, who has secretly followed them, tries to rescue Frodo, but is late and locked out of the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

=== The Return of the King ===
==== Book V ====
Gandalf and Pippin arrive in the city of [[Minas Tirith]], where they meet [[Denethor|Steward Denethor II]] of Gondor, and Pippin enters his service. Aragorn and his companions are joined by a group of Rangers from Rivendell. They go through the [[Ered Nimrais|Paths of the Dead]] and Aragorn summons the Dead Men of Dunharrow to his aid, and then rides east. King Théoden is summoned to Gondor, and the Rohirrim and Merry ride to Minas Tirith. Minas Tirith is besieged by the Sauron's armies. The following ''Battle of the [[Pelennor Fields]]'' is won with the help of the Rohirrim and the arrival of Aragorn with reinforcements from the southern regions of Gondor. Théoden is killed, but Éowyn and Merry slay the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]. Aragorn leads the combined forces of the West against Sauron in a move to distract him from Frodo, resulting in the ''Battle of the [[Morannon|Black Gate]]''.

==== Book VI ====
Sam rescues Frodo and returns the Ring to him. They continue the trek across Mordor. At Mount Doom they are attacked by Gollum. Frodo succumbs to the power of the Ring, claims it as his own and puts it on. Gollum fights him, biting off his finger and taking the Ring, but slips and falls into the [[Sammath Naur|Cracks of Doom]], destroying the Ring. Sauron is defeated and his power crumbles. The ''Battle of the Black Gate'' is won, and Gandalf sends the Eagles to rescue Frodo and Sam. Aragorn becomes King of Arnor and Gondor. Everyone returns homeward, and the hobbits return to [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]]. The land has been taken over by Saruman and his men, but after the ''Scouring of the Shire'' led by the returned hobbits, Saruman is killed and the hobbits can begin reordering their land. After a few years Frodo, who has been greatly hurt and burdenend though his quest and the Ring, traveled to the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]]. There he bids his hobbit-friends good-bye, and leaves together with Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel for the Undying Lands in the West, ending the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] of Middle-earth. Sam, Merry and Pippin return to the Shire and their homes.

=== Appendices ===
''The Lord of the Rings'' is followed by six appendices, which give more background and detail on the history, peoples, languages, and various other topics of Middle-earth.
* '''Appendix A Annals of the Kings and Rulers''': contains further information on the history of [[Númenor]], [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], and of the [[Lôgrad|Rohirrim]] and [[Durin's Folk]].
* '''Appendix B The Tale of Years (Chronology of the Westlands)''': contains the timeline and chronicles of the [[Middle-earth chronology|Ages]].
* '''Appendix D Calendars''': the different [[Middle-earth chronology|calendar systems]].
* '''Appendix E Writing and Spelling''': on the pronunciation and the [[Tolkien's scripts|scripts]].
* '''Appendix F''': overview of the [[Tolkien's languages|languages]], and notes on the fictional "translation" of the book from the [[Westron]] language.

== Reception ==
From the beginning, ''The Lord of the Rings'' has received very mixed reviews, which range from high praise to condemnation. ''The Lord of the Rings'' has been considered one of the most influential works on the modern time [[fantasy]] genre.

In 1965, a US-American pirated paperback edition and the surrounding trouble spread awareness of ''The Lord of the Rings'' in the United States, where it soon gained a strong following.

Many times people have tried to interpret ''The Lord of the Rings'' as an [[allegory]]. Tolkien himself renounced that claim, stating he disliked allegory and that the ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory, which he also explained in the foreword to the book's second edition. Instead of being allegorical, he said that the book had a quality he called "applicability": because it was a story about universal themes and struggles, it could be likened to almost any situation in real life.<ref>"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. [...] The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. [...] Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref> This universality would result in it often being interpreted as an allegory, sometimes ironically from opposing ideological sides. For instance, J. R. R. Tolkien was a [[Roman Catholic]], and despite his statements that ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory some readers have seen [[Christian]] undertones in ''The Lord of the Rings.'' <ref>"Much as it is possible to identify allegories of the Second World war into ''The Lord of the Rings'', it is possible to identify any number of Christian allegories as well" in Smith, J. and Matthews, J.C. ''The Lord of the Rings:the Films, the books, the radio series'' (Virgin Books 2004), p.116.</ref> Tolkien himself specifically discounted the belief that he wrote the book as a direct Christian allegory—or any other sort of allegory, which he went on record as "cordially disliking" and saw as besides the point of good storytelling in the medieval sense, and preferring "applicability"—in contrast with the overt and acknowledged allegories in the works of Tolkien's friend, [[C. S. Lewis]].<ref>''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'', #129</ref>

Tolkien's scarring experiences in [[World War I]] and his distaste for destructive industrialism - seen in the books in his characterization of [[Saruman]]'s armies - has been an influence on his works, as acknowledged by himself.<ref>"An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience [...] One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. [...] It has indeed some basis in experience, though slender (for the economic situation was entirely different), and much further back. The country in which I lived in childhood was being shabbily destroyed before I was ten, in days when motor-cars were rare objects (I had never seen one) and men were still building suburban railways. Recently I saw in a paper a picture of the last decrepitude of the once thriving corn-mill beside its pool that long ago seemed to me so important.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref><ref>John Garth, "Tolkien and the Great War: the Threshold of Middle Earth," available at [http://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Great-War-Threshold-Middle-earth/dp/0618331298 Amazon.com].</ref> However, Tolkien did state that "The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision[]"—which indicates his devoted faith.<ref>[https://www.grin.com/document/22410]</ref>

== Sequel ==

Tolkien attempted to write a sequel to ''The Lord of the Rings''. Although he did a first draft, he would never complete it. The unfinished work is now part of the 12th volume of ''The History of Middle-earth'', under the title of ''The New Shadow''.

== Adaptions ==
''The Lord of the Rings'' has been adapted full or in part in a variety of media. Among these are films, stage plays and a musical.

=== The Lord of the Rings film trilogy ===
'''''The Lord of the Rings'' film trilogy''' were three films based on the book, all directed by [[Peter Jackson]], produced by [[New Line Cinema]] and filmed in [[New Zealand]]. The film titles were derived from the three volumes:

* ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001)|The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' (2001)
* ''[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'' (2002)
* ''[[The Return of the King (film, 2003)|The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'' (2003)

The films were released annually in cinemas from December 2001 to 2003. DVD releases of the cinema version and Special Extended Editions have also been released for each film. Each extended edition includes four discs, two of bonus material.

The Lord of the Rings film trilogy received universal acclaim from critics and fans alike. Some even cited it as "the Star Wars Trilogy for Millennials". The trilogy has 30 Oscar nominations, winning 17 of them. One of them being Best Picture, which was won by ''The Return of the King'' at the 76th Academy Awards in 2004. ''The Return of the King'' is also the only film in the series that won every Oscar it was nominated for, 11 in all. It is tied with with ''[[Titanic (film)|Titanic]]'' and ''[[The Ten Commandments (film)|The Ten Commandments]]'' as the film that won the most Academy Awards in cinematic history.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Academy_Award_records]</ref> Both the first and third films in the series also won [[Movieguide]]'s "Best Movie for Mature Audiences" award in 2002 and 2004, respectively.<ref>[https://movieguideawards.com/category/winners/]</ref>

== References ==
{{reflist|2}}

== See also ==
*''[[The Hobbit]]''

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The Lord of the Rings

2018-08-07T23:43:21Z

Fëalórin: Adding info. There's not very much information on the films.

[[Image:Mhjfjfr7.jpg|thumb|350px|The covers for the three volumes of ''The Lord of the Rings'', designed by Tolkien.]]

'''''The Lord of the Rings''''' is a lengthy fantasy novel written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]. ''The Lord of the Rings'' is considered one of the most influential works of the [[fantasy]] genre in modern times.

The story of ''The Lord of the Rings'' is about the war of the peoples of Middle-Earth against a Dark Lord named Sauron, the eponymous "Lord of the Rings". The most powerful ring falls into the hands of a hobbit named Frodo Baggins, who is sent on a quest to destroy the One Ring deep within the enemy territory of Mordor.

== Creation ==

The Lord of the Rings was published in three parts in the years 1954 and 1955, and was preceded by the prologue, ''[[The Hobbit]]''.

=== Writing ===
After the success of his earlier book ''[[The Hobbit]]'', Tolkien's publishers persuaded him to write a sequel. He began writing in December 1937, but the first drafts were still far away from the finished version. After writing and re-writing the beginning several times, Tolkien realized the role of the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] and the quest it entailed in the spring of 1938, while writing the discussion between Gildor Inglorion and the later [[Frodo Baggins]]. This was the point upon which the back story and central quest that would be ''The Lord of the Rings'' came together in his mind. It was also the point that he firmly set the book's plot into his already existing [[Middle-earth]] legendarium. Whereas the ''The Hobbit'' had before been separate from his Middle-earth mythology, while still borrowing ideas, names, and persons from it, Tolkien now consciously moved it and its sequel into the Middle-earth setting. This resulted in the changes in tone, and in the meaning of formerly unimportant things as the 'magic ring' and the Necromancer, who both gained literary importance in the sequel. While the ''The Hobbit'' was written as a story intended for his children, ''The Lord of the Rings'' due to the realization of the later plot, soon became an epic tale of much greater proportions, both in plot and in length.

The earlier drafts and versions of ''The Lord of the Rings'' were published posthumously by his son Christopher Tolkien in ''The History of The Lord of the Rings'' (1988-1992), which are volumes VI–IX of ''The History of Middle-earth''.

In the story of the Middle-earth legendarium, ''The Hobbit'' appears as Bilbo's story of his journey and the finding of the Ring, while ''The Lord of the Rings'' are Frodo's later additions of the War of the Ring, both of which form the ''[[Red Book of Westmarch]]''.

=== Publication ===
Although often wrongly thought to be a [[trilogy]], ''The Lord of the Rings'' was conceived by the author as a single work. Its internal structure divides it into six 'books', named Book I-VI, according to the plot, with several appendices and an index. Because of paper shortages, the amount of paper needed and to reduce financial risk, it was released by the publisher [[Allen & Unwin]] in three volumes, each containing two Books:
#''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]''
#''[[The Two Towers]]''
#''[[The Return of the King]]''
This resulted in the common error of calling ''The Lord of the Rings'' a [[trilogy]], a term which Tolkien rejected, just as he disliked the book being published in separate volumes. The first two volumes were published in 1954, and the third in 1955. It was initially published in hardbound.

In 1965 an American paperback publisher released a "pirated" paperback edition, paying Tolkien nothing, in the belief that Tolkien's copyright in the U. S. was defective because of a technicality. Tolkien reached a legal settlement with this publisher, and another publisher released an authorized edition for which Tolkien was paid royalties. The book was an instant success, particularly among college students.

== Story ==
=== Background story ===
In the [[Second Age (Middle-earth)|Second Age]] the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] created the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]] to help him conquer the peoples of Middle-earth. The [[Quendi|Elves]] and [[Man (Middle-earth)|Men]] of Middle-earth, led by High King Gil-galad of the [[Noldor]] and King Elendil of the [[Arnor|Dúnedain]], formed the ''[[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]'' to fight him. Sauron was defeated and the Ring cut from his hand, thus the ''[[War of the Last Alliance]]'' ended, beginning the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]].

The story takes place at a time when the Elves, immortal and fairest of all beings in the world, are leaving the war-weary world to sail to the blessed realm of [[Valinor]]. With the departure of the Elves, the Age of Men has come. But the Dark Lord [[Sauron]], not truly killed at the end of the last Age, has been regaining power over the millennia since his defeat. Instrumental in his survival was the [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|One Ring]], which had kept him alive, and for which he now searches. This Ring, which had been lost for millennia, fell by chance into the hands of the [[hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]], the story of which is told in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. At the beginning of ''The Lord of the Rings'', sixty years have passed since Bilbo found the One Ring.

=== The Fellowship of the Ring ===
==== Book I ====
The [[Hobbit]] [[Bilbo Baggins]] celebrates his 111th birthday, after which he leaves [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]] to travel once more, leaving his home Bag End and his [[One Ring (Middle-earth)|magic ring]] to his heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].

In [[Middle-earth chronology|T.A.]] 3018, Frodo is visited by his old friend, the Wizard [[Gandalf]], who tells him of the Ring's history and gives him the task of taking the Ring to the [[Quendi|Elven]] refuge [[Rivendell]]. Frodo leaves the Shire joined by his friends [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam Gamgee]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry Brandybuck]], and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin Took]], all the while pursued by the mysterious otherworldly [[Nazgûl|Black Riders]], servants of Sauron. After an adventurous time they arrive in [[Breeland|Bree]], where they meet the human Ranger [[Aragorn|Strider]]. With his help they manage the make the last stretch of the way to the Ford of [[Bruinen]] at Rivendell.

==== Book II ====
The group have made it to [[Rivendell]], where the Council of Elrond decides over further action. The Ring shall be destroyed, which can only be done in [[Mount Doom]] in Sauron's land [[Mordor]] where it was forged. A group of companions are chosen to accompany Frodo on his quest, forming the Fellowship of the Ring: the hobbits Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin, the Wizard [[Gandalf|Gandalf the Grey]], [[Gimli son of Glóin|Gimli]] the Dwarf, [[Legolas]] the Elf, and the Men [[Boromir]] of [[Gondor]] and [[Aragorn|Aragorn of the Dúnedain]]. The Fellowship journeys south, and after failing to cross the [[Misty Mountains]], goes under them through the Dwarven [[Khazad-dûm|Mines of Moria]]. There they are attacked by Orcs and lose their leader Gandalf to the [[Balrog]]. The Fellowship rest in the Elven realm [[Lothlórien]], and continue by boat down the river [[Anduin]]. At the Falls of Rauros they rest again, and Boromir tries unsuccessfully to take the Ring from Frodo. While the Fellowship searches for him, Frodo secretly leaves them behind to continue his quest all by himself, but Sam catches up with him and joins him on his way to Mordor.

=== The Two Towers ===
==== Book III ====
Boromir is mortally wounded defending Merry and Pippin from Orcs. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli decide to follow the Orcs into [[Rohan (Middle-earth)|Rohan]] to rescue the kidnapped hobbits. Merry and Pippin manage to escape [[Saruman]]'s Orcs at [[Fangorn|Fangorn Forest]], where they meet [[Treebeard]] the Ent. The tree-like Ents hold council, and decide to attack Saruman at [[Isengard]]. In Fangorn Forest Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli meet the returned Gandalf the White, who takes them to the capital [[Edoras]], where they join [[Théoden|King Théoden of Rohan]] in the fight against Saruman. The forces of Rohan prevail against Saruman's armies in the ''Battle of the [[Helm's Deep|Hornburg]]''. Afterwards they go to Isengard to confront Saruman, whom is cast out of the Order by Gandalf. Pippin picks up the ''[[palantír]]'', and alerts Sauron to their presence. Gandalf and Pippin set of for [[Gondor]].

==== Book IV ====
Back in the Emyn Muil, Frodo and Sam journey east towards Mordor, trailed by [[Gollum]]. They capture him and he promises to lead them on their way. They travel though the Dead Marshes to the [[Morannon|Black Gate]], where Gollum leads them south. In [[Ithilien]] they are captured by [[Faramir]] of Gondor, but he releases them after hearing about their quest. Gollum leads them to and abandons them at the Pass of [[Cirith Ungol]], where they are attacked by the giant spider Shelob. Assuming Frodo dead, Sam takes the Ring to finish the quest on his own. Frodo's body is taken by a patrol of Orcs, who reveal that Frodo is only paralyzed. Sam, who has secretly followed them, tries to rescue Frodo, but is late and locked out of the Tower of Cirith Ungol.

=== The Return of the King ===
==== Book V ====
Gandalf and Pippin arrive in the city of [[Minas Tirith]], where they meet [[Denethor|Steward Denethor II]] of Gondor, and Pippin enters his service. Aragorn and his companions are joined by a group of Rangers from Rivendell. They go through the [[Ered Nimrais|Paths of the Dead]] and Aragorn summons the Dead Men of Dunharrow to his aid, and then rides east. King Théoden is summoned to Gondor, and the Rohirrim and Merry ride to Minas Tirith. Minas Tirith is besieged by the Sauron's armies. The following ''Battle of the [[Pelennor Fields]]'' is won with the help of the Rohirrim and the arrival of Aragorn with reinforcements from the southern regions of Gondor. Théoden is killed, but Éowyn and Merry slay the [[Witch-king of Angmar]]. Aragorn leads the combined forces of the West against Sauron in a move to distract him from Frodo, resulting in the ''Battle of the [[Morannon|Black Gate]]''.

==== Book VI ====
Sam rescues Frodo and returns the Ring to him. They continue the trek across Mordor. At Mount Doom they are attacked by Gollum. Frodo succumbs to the power of the Ring, claims it as his own and puts it on. Gollum fights him, biting off his finger and taking the Ring, but slips and falls into the [[Sammath Naur|Cracks of Doom]], destroying the Ring. Sauron is defeated and his power crumbles. The ''Battle of the Black Gate'' is won, and Gandalf sends the Eagles to rescue Frodo and Sam. Aragorn becomes King of Arnor and Gondor. Everyone returns homeward, and the hobbits return to [[Shire (Middle-earth)|the Shire]]. The land has been taken over by Saruman and his men, but after the ''Scouring of the Shire'' led by the returned hobbits, Saruman is killed and the hobbits can begin reordering their land. After a few years Frodo, who has been greatly hurt and burdenend though his quest and the Ring, traveled to the [[Mithlond|Grey Havens]]. There he bids his hobbit-friends good-bye, and leaves together with Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel for the Undying Lands in the West, ending the [[Third Age (Middle-earth)|Third Age]] of Middle-earth. Sam, Merry and Pippin return to the Shire and their homes.

=== Appendices ===
''The Lord of the Rings'' is followed by six appendices, which give more background and detail on the history, peoples, languages, and various other topics of Middle-earth.
* '''Appendix A Annals of the Kings and Rulers''': contains further information on the history of [[Númenor]], [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], and of the [[Lôgrad|Rohirrim]] and [[Durin's Folk]].
* '''Appendix B The Tale of Years (Chronology of the Westlands)''': contains the timeline and chronicles of the [[Middle-earth chronology|Ages]].
* '''Appendix D Calendars''': the different [[Middle-earth chronology|calendar systems]].
* '''Appendix E Writing and Spelling''': on the pronunciation and the [[Tolkien's scripts|scripts]].
* '''Appendix F''': overview of the [[Tolkien's languages|languages]], and notes on the fictional "translation" of the book from the [[Westron]] language.

== Reception ==
From the beginning, ''The Lord of the Rings'' has received very mixed reviews, which range from high praise to condemnation. ''The Lord of the Rings'' has been considered one of the most influential works on the modern time [[fantasy]] genre.

In 1965, a US-American pirated paperback edition and the surrounding trouble spread awareness of ''The Lord of the Rings'' in the United States, where it soon gained a strong following.

Many times people have tried to interpret ''The Lord of the Rings'' as an [[allegory]]. Tolkien himself renounced that claim, stating he disliked allegory and that the ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory, which he also explained in the foreword to the book's second edition. Instead of being allegorical, he said that the book had a quality he called "applicability": because it was a story about universal themes and struggles, it could be likened to almost any situation in real life.<ref>"As for any inner meaning or 'message', it has in the intention of the author none. It is neither allegorical nor topical. [...] The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. [...] Other arrangements could be devised according to the tastes or views of those who like allegory or topical reference. But I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse 'applicability' with 'allegory'; but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref> This universality would result in it often being interpreted as an allegory, sometimes ironically from opposing ideological sides. For instance, J. R. R. Tolkien was a [[Roman Catholic]], and despite his statements that ''The Lord of the Rings'' was not an allegory some readers have seen [[Christian]] undertones in ''The Lord of the Rings.'' <ref>"Much as it is possible to identify allegories of the Second World war into ''The Lord of the Rings'', it is possible to identify any number of Christian allegories as well" in Smith, J. and Matthews, J.C. ''The Lord of the Rings:the Films, the books, the radio series'' (Virgin Books 2004), p.116.</ref> Tolkien himself specifically discounted the belief that he wrote the book as a direct Christian allegory—or any other sort of allegory, which he went on record as "cordially disliking" and saw as besides the point of good storytelling in the medieval sense, and preferring "applicability"—in contrast with the overt and acknowledged allegories in the works of Tolkien's friend, [[C. S. Lewis]].<ref>''The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien'', #129</ref>

Tolkien's scarring experiences in [[World War I]] and his distaste for destructive industrialism - seen in the books in his characterization of [[Saruman]]'s armies - has been an influence on his works, as acknowledged by himself.<ref>"An author cannot of course remain wholly unaffected by his experience [...] One has indeed personally to come under the shadow of war to feel fully its oppression; but as the years go by it seems now often forgotten that to be caught in youth by 1914 was no less hideous an experience than to be involved in 1939 and the following years. [...] It has indeed some basis in experience, though slender (for the economic situation was entirely different), and much further back. The country in which I lived in childhood was being shabbily destroyed before I was ten, in days when motor-cars were rare objects (I had never seen one) and men were still building suburban railways. Recently I saw in a paper a picture of the last decrepitude of the once thriving corn-mill beside its pool that long ago seemed to me so important.", J. R. R. Tolkien, ''The Lord of the Rings'', Foreword</ref><ref>John Garth, "Tolkien and the Great War: the Threshold of Middle Earth," available at [http://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Great-War-Threshold-Middle-earth/dp/0618331298 Amazon.com].</ref>

== Sequel ==

Tolkien attempted to write a sequel to ''The Lord of the Rings''. Although he did a first draft, he would never complete it. The unfinished work is now part of the 12th volume of ''The History of Middle-earth'', under the title of ''The New Shadow''.

== Adaptions ==
''The Lord of the Rings'' has been adapted full or in part in a variety of media. Among these are films, stage plays and a musical.

=== The Lord of the Rings film trilogy ===
'''''The Lord of the Rings'' film trilogy''' were three films based on the book, all directed by [[Peter Jackson]], produced by [[New Line Cinema]] and filmed in [[New Zealand]]. The film titles were derived from the three volumes:

* ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring (film, 2001)|The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'' (2001)
* ''[[The Two Towers (film, 2002)|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'' (2002)
* ''[[The Return of the King (film, 2003)|The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'' (2003)

The films were released annually in cinemas from December 2001 to 2003. DVD releases of the cinema version and Special Extended Editions have also been released for each film. Each extended edition includes four discs, two of bonus material.

The Lord of the Rings film trilogy received universal acclaim from critics and fans alike. Some even cited it as "the Star Wars Trilogy for Millennials". The trilogy has 30 Oscar nominations, winning 17 of them. One of them being Best Picture, which was won by ''The Return of the King'' at the 76th Academy Awards in 2004. ''The Return of the King'' is also the only film in the series that won every Oscar it was nominated for, 11 in all. It is tied with with ''[[Titanic (film)|Titanic]]'' and ''[[The Ten Commandments (film)|The Ten Commandments]]'' as the film that won the most Academy Awards in cinematic history.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Academy_Award_records]</ref> Both the first and third films in the series also won [[Movieguide]]'s "Best Movie for Mature Audiences" award in 2002 and 2004, respectively.<ref>[https://movieguideawards.com/category/winners/]</ref>

== References ==
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== See also ==
*''[[The Hobbit]]''

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