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Talk:Muhammad

2007-04-18T12:12:11Z

Frangipani:

Not even sure where to start with this one, but it should be more in-depth and probably needs to be started from scratch.--[[User:John|John]] 22:12, 7 March 2007 (EST)

This page should be fixed after everyone gets a good laugh at the vandal--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 00:06, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

==Preferred Transliteration?==

There is also a stub under [[Muhammad]]. Which should we prefer: Muhammad or Mohammed? [[User:Rich P|Dr. Richard Paley]] 10:51, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
:'''Muhammad''' with a redirect from Mohammed. Here's some good source material [http://nobsnews.blogspot.com/1993/11/growths-of-civilizations.html#political%20career%20of%20muhammad THE POLITICAL CAREER OF MUHAMMAD] (p.466 on) [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:06, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

==Images depicting Muhammad==

We had one in the article but someone removed it. I assume this is because of the modern Muslim taboo on images depicting Muhammad. Should Conservapedia adhere to this prohibition? [[User:Sulgran|Sulgran]] 21:58, 7 April 2007 (EDT)
:NO. It is not our job to censor ourselves of a historically accurate image due to the whining of some religious group. We can respect their values, but we certainly should not adhere to them. If we did, we'd all be wearing turbans and praising Allah right about now. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 22:32, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

There is no 'modern taboo' on his images. For more than 1000 years no pictures of him were permitted incase people started to 'worship' it- because he is a Prophet, not to be mistaken for Allah. Also, no picture is worthy to depict the beauty of the Prophet.
Respecting a religion does not require one to adhere to it- you repsect thats all you do. For example, if I were to enter a Church, in respect of the religion, I would dress modestly- not like a nun.
On another note, there is a mistake in the article in relation to the so called "massacre of Jews in Madina" (mind you the source of this statement is NOT reliable). Yes there were three Jewish tribes living in Madina when the Prophet (peace be upon him) and fellow Muslims settled there. The first thing Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) did was sign a treaty with the Jews, however, the Jews broke this treaty as of day one when they tried to force the Muslims out of Medina. The Jews were actually waiting for a Prophet to arrive, however, as Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) was Muslim they rejected his Prophethood.

Talk:Muhammad

2007-04-17T10:32:13Z

Frangipani:

Not even sure where to start with this one, but it should be more in-depth and probably needs to be started from scratch.--[[User:John|John]] 22:12, 7 March 2007 (EST)

This page should be fixed after everyone gets a good laugh at the vandal--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 00:06, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

==Preferred Transliteration?==

There is also a stub under [[Muhammad]]. Which should we prefer: Muhammad or Mohammed? [[User:Rich P|Dr. Richard Paley]] 10:51, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
:'''Muhammad''' with a redirect from Mohammed. Here's some good source material [http://nobsnews.blogspot.com/1993/11/growths-of-civilizations.html#political%20career%20of%20muhammad THE POLITICAL CAREER OF MUHAMMAD] (p.466 on) [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:06, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

==Images depicting Muhammad==

We had one in the article but someone removed it. I assume this is because of the modern Muslim taboo on images depicting Muhammad. Should Conservapedia adhere to this prohibition? [[User:Sulgran|Sulgran]] 21:58, 7 April 2007 (EDT)
:NO. It is not our job to censor ourselves of a historically accurate image due to the whining of some religious group. We can respect their values, but we certainly should not adhere to them. If we did, we'd all be wearing turbans and praising Allah right about now. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 22:32, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

There is no 'modern taboo' on his images. For more than 1000 years no pictures of him were permitted incase people started to 'worship' it- because he is only a Prophet not God. Also, no picture is worthy to depict the beauty of the Prophet.
Respecting a religion does not require one to adhere to it- you repsect thats all you do. For example, if I were to enter a Church, in respect of the religion, I would dress modestly- not like a nun.
On another note, there is a mistake in the article in relation to the so called "massacre of Jews in Madina" (mind you the source of this statement is NOT reliable). Yes there were three Jewish tribes living in Madina when the Prophet and fellow Muslims settled there. The first thing Prophet Muhammed did was sign a treaty with the Jews, however, the Jews broke their treaty as from day one they were trying to get rid of the Muslims. The Jews were actually waiting for a Prophet to arrive, however, as Prophet Muhammed was Muslim they rejected his Prophethood.

Muhammad

2007-04-15T05:56:30Z

Frangipani:

[[Image:Mahommed.jpg|right|Mohammed speaking to his followers.|thumb|300px]]
Mohammed (A.D. 570-632) or [[Muhammad]] was the founder of Islam. He began life as a wealthy tradesmen, one of the elite of his city of [[Mecca]]. He claimed to be privy to certain [[revelations]] in middle age, speaking of a need to abandon worship of the many gods who dominated Mecca's religion at the time, and worship the one God, [[Allah]].

These early revelations spoke of a need to return to the [[monotheism]] of [[Abraham]]; in this way, at an early age, Mohammed saw himself as reviving an ancient faith, a perceived correction to [[Christianity]] and [[Judaism]], and restoring his people to what he saw as their rightful position as the true founders and heirs of monotheism. In these revelations, submission to the will of God - [[Allah]] - was critical. Mohammed's fledgling religion continued to develop throughout his life, through periodic revelations often relating directly to events currently facing his new faith.

The faith caught on slowly, winning only a few converts in Mecca (the first being his wife). Under increased pressure and ostracism from elders in Mecca, Mohammed began the [[hijra]], an organized exodus of his followers from Mecca to the city of [[Medina]]. [[Muslims]] date the formation of their religion to the ''hijra'' itself, even beginning their dating system at this point.

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</blockquote>"With the arrival of the Messenger in Madina, the struggle between Islam and unbelief entered a new phase. In Makka the Prophet had devoted himself almost exclusively to expounding Islam's basic principles and to his Companions' moral and spiritual training. After the Emigration (622), however, new Muslims belonging to different tribes and regions began to gather in Madina. Although the Muslims held only a tiny piece of land, the Quraysh allied itself with as many tribes as possible to exterminate them.
In addition to threats from Makka and its allies, the young community had to contend with Madina's three Jewish tribes, which controlled its economic life. Although they had been waiting for a Prophet, they opposed the Messenger because he was not Jewish. One of the first things the Messenger did in Madina was to sign a pact with the Jews. Despite this, the Jews continued to harbor considerable ill-will toward to Messenger and plot against him and Islam. For example, the skilled Jewish poet Ka'b ibn Ashraf composed poems satirizing the Messenger and instigating his enemies" (Gulen,2000, pp. 38-39)[[Link title]]Gulen, F (2000). Prophet Muhammed: ''Aspects of His Life''.The Fountain: Turkey
== After Mohammed's Death ==

Mohammed's death at an early age caused the splintering of his religion into new sects, over the question of succession. The groups called themselves the [[Sunnis]] and the [[Shiite|Shi'as]]. Many attribute this split to the high degree to which authority was centered in the powerful character of Mohammed himself: without his powerful personality, the movement could not survive intact.<ref>Bernard Lewis, ''What Went Wrong''</ref>

The failure or splintering of movements built around a charismatic leader is a recurring sociological problem, often studied by psychologists, and referred to as the problem of the [[routinization of charisma]]. [[Christianity]] faced the same problem, and many attribute the conquest of this problem to the leadership of the apostle [[Paul]].<ref>Maximillian Weber, ''Theory of Social and Economic Organization,'' in the chapter "The Nature of Charismatic Authority and its Routinization," see also Len Oakes, "Prophetic Charisma: The Psychology of Revolutionary Religious Personalities"</ref>.

==See Also==
*[[Islam]]
*[[Muhammad cartoons controversy]]

== References ==

<references/>

== Notes ==

HIR | Muhammad's massacre of the Jewish tribe Banu Qurayzah [http://www.hirhome.com/islam/art.htm]

[[Category:Islam]]

Muhammad

2007-04-15T05:54:40Z

Frangipani:

[[Image:Mahommed.jpg|right|Mohammed speaking to his followers.|thumb|300px]]
Mohammed (A.D. 570-632) or [[Muhammad]] was the founder of Islam. He began life as a wealthy tradesmen, one of the elite of his city of [[Mecca]]. He claimed to be privy to certain [[revelations]] in middle age, speaking of a need to abandon worship of the many gods who dominated Mecca's religion at the time, and worship the one God, [[Allah]].

These early revelations spoke of a need to return to the [[monotheism]] of [[Abraham]]; in this way, at an early age, Mohammed saw himself as reviving an ancient faith, a perceived correction to [[Christianity]] and [[Judaism]], and restoring his people to what he saw as their rightful position as the true founders and heirs of monotheism. In these revelations, submission to the will of God - [[Allah]] - was critical. Mohammed's fledgling religion continued to develop throughout his life, through periodic revelations often relating directly to events currently facing his new faith.

The faith caught on slowly, winning only a few converts in Mecca (the first being his wife). Under increased pressure and ostracism from elders in Mecca, Mohammed began the [[hijra]], an organized exodus of his followers from Mecca to the city of [[Medina]]. [[Muslims]] date the formation of their religion to the ''hijra'' itself, even beginning their dating system at this point.

<blockquote>
Block quote
</blockquote>With the arrival of the Messenger in Madina, the struggle between Islam and unbelief entered a new phase. In Makka the Prophet had devoted himself almost exclusively to expounding Islam's basic principles and to his Companions' moral and spiritual training. After the Emigration (622), however, new Muslims belonging to different tribes and regions began to gather in Madina. Although the Muslims held only a tiny piece of land, the Quraysh allied itself with as many tribes as possible to exterminate them.
In addition to threats from Makka and its allies, the young community had to contend with Madina's three Jewish tribes, which controlled its economic life. Although they had been waiting for a Prophet, they opposed the Messenger because he was not Jewish. One of the first things the Messenger did in Madina was to sign a pact with the Jews. Despite this, the Jews continued to harbor considerable ill-will toward to Messenger and plot against him and Islam. For example, the skilled Jewish poet Ka'b ibn Ashraf composed poems satirizing the Messenger and instigating his enemies. [[Link title]]Gulen, F (2000). Prophet Muhammed: ''Aspects of His Life''.The Fountain: Turkey
== After Mohammed's Death ==

Mohammed's death at an early age caused the splintering of his religion into new sects, over the question of succession. The groups called themselves the [[Sunnis]] and the [[Shiite|Shi'as]]. Many attribute this split to the high degree to which authority was centered in the powerful character of Mohammed himself: without his powerful personality, the movement could not survive intact.<ref>Bernard Lewis, ''What Went Wrong''</ref>

The failure or splintering of movements built around a charismatic leader is a recurring sociological problem, often studied by psychologists, and referred to as the problem of the [[routinization of charisma]]. [[Christianity]] faced the same problem, and many attribute the conquest of this problem to the leadership of the apostle [[Paul]].<ref>Maximillian Weber, ''Theory of Social and Economic Organization,'' in the chapter "The Nature of Charismatic Authority and its Routinization," see also Len Oakes, "Prophetic Charisma: The Psychology of Revolutionary Religious Personalities"</ref>.

==See Also==
*[[Islam]]
*[[Muhammad cartoons controversy]]

== References ==

<references/>

== Notes ==

HIR | Muhammad's massacre of the Jewish tribe Banu Qurayzah [http://www.hirhome.com/islam/art.htm]

[[Category:Islam]]

File talk:Mahommed.jpg

2007-04-15T04:18:42Z

Frangipani:

I know this is spelled wrong. Sorry! But the article title is correct - [[Mohammed]].

Could you please remove the image of Muhammed (pbuh)immediately as Islam does not allow any images to potray him. What is the source of this image?