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Talk:Post-Diluvian Diasporas

2013-03-03T02:38:44Z

GordonDa5: /* False */ new section

Could we have a bit more on the size (or even the durability) of the animals that could have been transported by volcanoes? I feel that this issue has not been sufficiently clarified.--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 05:36, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

: I imagine that God could ensure the safety of the less robust animals during a plausibly turbulent ride. [[User:Fairandbalanced|Fairandbalanced]] 13:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

To avoid this article being simply humorous, you should include some physical evidence that makes this theory worthy of consideration. Please explain how this theory is falsifiable. Thanks. [[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 13:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
: The link here [http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/migration.asp] should address some of your concerns. [[User:Fairandbalanced|Fairandbalanced]] 13:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
::A, shall we say, illuminating read. But I'm still not clear on how animals used volcanoes to travel. it's not mentioned in the article, and I really would like some more detail on this point as I feel an explanation would explain many things.--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 14:05, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

::Well, I checked it out and Im none the wiser. There was no specific physical evidence that was not easily explained elsewhere. Also, the theory is non falsifiable, although, in this I could easily be proven wrong if you can give me an example of a potential falsification of creationism.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 14:07, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

::I mention the film ''Twister'' in the article, which depicts the use of tornadoes as (safe) transportation for animals as large as cows. Surely the divine providence could provide similar transit strategies for migratory marsupials. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 14:10, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

''Quote:The exact circumstances of how each kind of animal got to where it is today will never be known because the diaspora cannot be repeated.''
:If you can't question it, and it cannot ever be known, it is not science, and therefore falls under the heading of beliefs.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 14:20, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
::Yes, for it to be science it must - at lest in theory - be possible to disprove it. What would you accept as disproof of this idea? --[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 14:30, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
:I'll accept any statement a creationist can give me that, if it were found to be true, would disprove creationism. It doesn't have to be true, just potentially true. Disprovable doesnt equal disproved.

Also, the whole comment about Krakatoa doesnt make any sense. It should probably be rewritten, but im not the guy to do it.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 14:32, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

::The Lord works, as all believers know, in mysterious ways. Furthermore, the Krakatoa evidence directly disproves evolution, because only the animals that existed ''before'' the eruption repopulated the island, and did so without any changes or modifications. Furthermore, this happened in only a few decades, indicating how little time would be necessary for the earth to recover from the privations of the (Noachim) Flood. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 14:36, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

:::That is the flat-out most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 14:42, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

::There is no need to insult Duns. It is not the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. I would not argue that recovery after a Noachian flood would be impossible. Catastrophic, nearly life-ending events have happened many times in Earth's history, and life is amazingly resilient. Of course God works in mysterious ways, but he gave us the tools to examine the natural world, so if we can't ask difficult questions, then we were not created in his image. [[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 14:45, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

:::Thanks Palmd001!! I agree that even the secularists posit species survival after the (several) mass extinction events, but that in general, the thought that the Almighty would actively seek death for a majority of species on the Earth not once, but several times, is altogether unbearable, and irreconcilable with scriptural evidence of His Grace and Providence. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 14:51, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

:God never promised not to wipe out all life on Earth again. Well, acutally he sort of did after the Flood, but still, He's changed his mind before.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 14:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

:: 'Genesis 8, 21:' And the LORD smelled a sweet savor; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth: neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. Palmd001, it is very clear that the Lord only attempted to destroy his creation once, and promises to never do it again. I'm not sure how your statement can be reconciled with Holy Writ. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 14:56, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

== Still confused by the Volcanoes thing. ==

I'm still a bit confused about how small animals were moved around the world by volcanoes. Is the idea that they were blown up into the atmosphere and then landed many thousands of miles away? Can you suggest which animals might have been re-located in this way--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 14:44, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

:As it stands the Krakatoa statement makes no sense. There is nothing to discuss until it is rewritten.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 14:48, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
:BTW, sounds suspiciously Xenu-ist.[[User:Palmd001|Palmd001]] 14:49, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
:::I think you may be missing my point. The volcano reference to which I refer is: ''"It is possible that volcanoes in the Mount Ararat region[1] were able to transport the smaller animals over much greater distances than the animals could get just by walking."''--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 14:57, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

:: ''The Twenty-One Balloons'' dealt with the pillow-like effects of gentle volcanic perturbations. It is eminently possible that the Lord, not wanting mice, voles, chipmunks or koalas to have to over-exert themselves in arduous migration, might have Provided for them to be transported in fluffy clouds of volcanic ejecta (eg. tuff) to His desired locations, around the globe. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 15:01, 22 March 2007 (EDT)
:::OK, that's a reference at least. Can I take it that "The Twenty-One Balloons" is an accepted creationist text?--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 15:05, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

== Reference 2 ==

As it is now, reference [2] does not provide evidence for animals being transported by tornadoes or hurricanes. I believe it should be removed if it is not updated. [[User:DrSandstone|DrSandstone]] 15:08, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

:I disagree with your interpretation of this article, but even if you hold fast in your secularist beliefs, it is also eminently possible that hurricanes and other natural disasters could motivate or alter the migration patterns (eg. blowing species of birds ''off course'' (onto a truer Divine Course)) of many animal and plant species. [http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/02/070201082430.htm] Instead of natural selection, we'd have a more humane and Biblical directed migration, directed, of course, by the Lord. [[User:DunsScotus|DunsScotus]] 15:40, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

== volcanoes. ==

The volcanoes section makes absolutely no sense. The 'example' of animals re-colonising Krakatoa after the eruption does not actually have any relevance to the point it is trying to prove. I can't quite understand what this point is, but it looks as though it is meant to mean that animals would be picked up by a volcanic eruption and then deposited (unharmed) somewhere further on their journey. While this does produce a funny mental image, it is completely and utterly ridiculous, and should probably be removed. This article though doesn't deal with the main difficulty that I have always had with this scenario which is that, on the whole, there is a tendency for species to be found in geographically concentrated areas, for instance kangaroos in Australia, but not elsewhere. Also, per the kangaroos example, often groups of similar 'related' species will be found in the same general area and not elsewhere. I would have no idea where i could find sources or anything to improve this article, so I'll just leave this comment here and someone else could try to make changes.[[User:Cmurphynz|Cmurphynz]] 03:13, 17 July 2012 (EDT)

== False ==

This whole page is just wrong.

Kangaroo

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GordonDa5: /* Origins */

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'''Kangaroo''' (Guugu Yimidhirr language: ''gang-oo-roo''<ref>http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kangaroo</ref>), several species of large [[marsupial]] of the genus ''Macropus'' native to Australia and adjacent islands, characterized over-sized hind legs by which they use hopping to move about. The ''de facto'' symbol of Australia, kangaroos have been displayed on everything from the national coat of arms to coins, airline symbols, tourist advertisements, as well as numerous appearances in popular culture.

==Description==
Kangaroos have large ears on top of their small heads, a long snout, and short arms with clawed fingers. Their legs are strong, powerful, and are made for leaping. Their feet have four toes at the end of elongated metatarsi that they rest on when standing. They also have a powerful, thick tail that is used as support when standing, a third-leg when walking slowly, and for counterbalance while hopping. Like all marsupials, female kangaroos have a pouch on their stomachs in which they carry their young.

===Diet===
Kangaroos are [[herbivore]]s, eating grass, roots, and shrubs. They have a chambered stomach similar to [[sheep]] and [[cattle]]. They are able to regurgitate their food, chew it again as [[cud]], and then swallow it for digestion.

===Social Order===
Kangaroos travel in [[mob | mobs]] of about ten or more males and females. The leader of the mob, called a "boomer", is a male determined by age and size. The boomer has access to females in his mob for mating and will wander around the mob intimidating any other males who try to mate with his harem.

===Reproduction===
Female kangaroos usually only have one baby kangaroo (called a "joey") at a time. The newborn joey weighs as little as 0.03 ounces when first born, after which it crawls into its mothers pouch where it will nurse, grow, and develop. Red Kangaroo joeys will stay in their mothers pouch for about eight months and Grey Kangaroo joeys stay in there for about one year.

=== Uses ===
Kangaroos are commonly hunted for their meat, with it being exported all over the globe. Kangaroo leather is commonly used in items such as football boots and driving booties.

==Living species==
*[[Agile wallaby]] (''Macropus agilis'')
*[[Antilopine kangaroo]] (''Macropus antilopinus'')
*[[Black-striped wallaby]] (''Macropus dorsalis'')
*[[Black wallaroo]] (''Macropus bernardus'')
*[[Common wallaroo]] (''Macropus robustus'')
*[[Eastern grey kangaroo]] (''Macropus giganteus'')
*[[Parma wallaby]] (''Macropus parma'')
*[[Red kangaroo]] ''Macropus rufus'')
*[[Red-necked wallaby]] (''Macropus rufogriseus'')
*[[Tammar wallaby]] (''Macropus eugenii'')
*[[Western Brush Wallaby]] (''Macropus irma'')
*[[Western grey kangaroo]] (''Macropus fuliginosus'')
*[[Whiptail wallaby]] (''Macropus parryi'')

==Origins==

===Evolution===
Kangaroos and other marsupials evolved from a common marsupial ancestor which lived hundreds of millions of years ago.<ref>[http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEPC/WWC/1995/australia.html "Australian Mammals: Evolutionary Development as a Result of Geographic Isolation"]</ref>

===Dreamtime===
Some [[Australian Aborigines]] believe that kangaroos were sung into existence by their ancestors during the [[Dreamtime]].<ref>[http://www.painsley.org.uk/RE/signposts/y8/1-1creationandenvironment/c-abor.htm "An Aborigine Creation Story"]</ref>

== See also ==

*[[Evolution]]
*[[Theory of Evolution and Cases of Fraud, Hoaxes and Speculation]]
*[[Irreligion and superstition]]

== External Links ==

General:

*[http://www.exzooberance.com/virtual%20zoo/they%20walk/kangaroo/kangaroo.htm Kangaroo facts]
*[http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/kangaroos.html Answers About Kangaroos]

== References ==
{{reflist|2}}

[[Category:Marsupials]]
[[Category:Australia]]

Genetics

2013-03-03T02:33:26Z

GordonDa5: Added to history section.

'''Genetics''' is a subfield of [[biology]] concerned with the diversity, replication, [[mutation]], and translation of [[genes]].

==History of Genetics==
James Watson and Francis Crick received the 1962 Nobel Prize in Medicine for their work in discovering the double helix structure.

==Terms used in genetics==

*[[DNA]] - Double stranded helical organic molecule composed of nucleic acids, sugars, and phosphate groups.
*[[RNA]] - Single stranded organic molecule composed of nucleic acids, sugars, and phosphate groups.
*[[chromosome]]- Condensed DNA and proteins.
*[[allele]]- Differences in genotype among individuals for a single gene.
*[[gene]]- Regions of DNA that are transcribed to RNA.

==Notes==
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[[Category:Genetics| ]]