Talk:Carter's Law

2009-07-15T19:22:53Z

JCameron:

Look, i'm pretty much brand-new here, but a search for "Carter's Law" and "organic chemistry" gives me five google hits. Are you sure about this? [[User:StephenE|StephenE]] 14:35, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:Do you have a doctorate in the subject? Read "Chemistry Under Extreme Conditions". Thank you. [[User:CameronJ|CameronJ]] 14:37, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::No, i do not have a doctorate in the subject--but it would appear that nobody with a doctorate in the subject has written an article on "Carter's law" in terms of organic chemistry, as a JSTOR search gives zero hits. [[User:StephenE|StephenE]] 14:41, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Because it's an obscure area of organic chemistry that only applies under high-energy conditions. The law doesn't become observable unless you're at around 3500K, and doesn't affect anything until you're at surface-of-a-star hot. Sorry to be brusque, but just because it isn't on the internet (90% pornograpy, 10& propaganda) does not mean that it is irrelevant. Read ''Chemistry At Extreme Conditions'' or ''Chemistry Under Extreme or Non-Classical conditions''. It might be a bit much, but the principles should become obvious. [[User:CameronJ|CameronJ]] 14:52, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
With all due respect, JSTOR is hardly "the Internet" as you describe it, Doctor. As I'm sure you're well aware, it's the premiere "go-to" resource for academic, peer-reviewed scholarly articles. I just find it odd that no scholarly articles seem to even raise the subject. And unfortunately, my university library--one of the largest in the country--does not list either of the titles you mentioned, Doctor.[[User:StephenE|StephenE]] 14:55, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:Sorry, I didn't mean to dismiss JSTOR; I was referring to your earlier mention of a "Google search". I am aware of the absence of articles on Carter's Law, mostly because of the facts mentioned above; it is obscure and only occurs under extreme conditions. Considering the coverage given to pseudo-science like AGW and homeopathy, I'm amazed that people still trust scientific journals at all.
I don't know what you want me to do about the two titles. Extreme conditions chemistry is a rarely observed phenomenon, and I'm sorry you're library does not stock more information about it. They are both excellent books and would help you to understand the matter in question. [[User:CameronJ|CameronJ]] 14:59, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I found the two titles on Google books and searched them both for "Carter's law" with no success. [[User:StephenE|StephenE]] 15:00, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Again with the google searches! [[User:CameronJ|CameronJ]] 15:01, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
Google searches of a scan of the books you cited. Perhaps, Professor, you could direct me to the appropriate chapters or page numbers in the books in question. [[User:StephenE|StephenE]] 15:03, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I could, but since you're determined to disregard the facts, I fail to see any purpose in that. And I don't claim the title of professor; I do not teach at a university. [[User:CameronJ|CameronJ]] 15:05, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
I have the scans of the books in front of me, open in another window. Simply tell me which pages deal with Carter's law, Doctor, and I'll concede the matter. [[User:StephenE|StephenE]] 15:07, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

The article itself has to be properly cited anyway, so the insersions into the text as to what page they would be on, as well as the names of the books, authors, etc. in the references section, must be made. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 15:10, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:I wouldn't hold my breath, sir. I am almost 100% certain that this article is completely made-up, and Cameron's refusal to even provide a page number does little to make me doubt that. [[User:StephenE|StephenE]] 15:11, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Oh stuff it, I was proven wrong. It's a spoof article, created to see if anyone actually knows any science. StephenE, you were a better editor than I gave you credit for, and well done for picking up on it. My apologies for wasting ''your'' time. [[User:CameronJ|CameronJ]] 15:13, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::You would have been better off, Cameron, had you been truthful and honest. But lying gets you nowhere except out on the street. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 15:15, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::: Quite correct. Stupid of me to go to such lengths. As soon as that occured to be, I admitted it. My apologies to all. [[User:JCameron|JCameron]] 15:22, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

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2009-07-15T19:21:46Z

JCameron:

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thanks. [[User:StephenE|StephenE]] 14:37, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

:Good pick on the troll CameronJ. He was shown the door. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 15:16, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::Just hit me what a really immature thing that was to do. I owe you an apology. Thanks, and thanks for restoring my faith in the common sense of people. [[User:JCameron|JCameron]] 15:21, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

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