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Neil Young

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'''Neil Young''' is a [[Canadian]] musician who has had a successful career spanning four decades. He first came to fame in the late 1960s as a member of the band Buffalo Springfield, and later as a member of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. After this, he began embarking on a solo career, although often recording with the band Crazy Horse.

Although much of Young's early solo work is undeniably country-influenced, he has experienced with many different musical genres, including industrial and grunge. (Young is often referred to as the "godfather of grunge" due to his influence on the grunge movement.)

The song ''Sweet Home Alabama'' was in response to Neil Young putting down southerners in one of his songs.

Young has strong [[liberal]] political views. In 2006, he released an album, ''Living with War'', which included a song called "Let's Impeach The President". The first line of that song is "Let's impeach the president for lying and leading our country into war." Another controversial line in the song is "What if [[Al Qaeda]] blew up the levees? Would [[New Orleans]] have been safer that way?"

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Sarah Palin

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'''Sarah Louise Heath Palin''' (pronounced pay'-lynn) (born February 11, 1964) served as the [[conservative]] [[Republican Party|Republican]] [[Governor]] of [[Alaska]] from 2006 through 2009. She is the youngest person to hold this office as well as the first woman to do so in the state's history. On July 3, 2009 Palin announced that she will resign as Governor of Alaska. <ref>http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/palin_not_running/2009/07/03/231789.html</ref> Executive power was transferred to [[Lieutenant Governor]] [[Sean Parnell]].
Palin was Senator [[John McCain]]'s Vice Presidential running mate in the [[2008 Presidential Election]]<ref>[http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/08/palins_vp_selection_speech.html Acceptance Speech by Palin]</ref>, and the first woman to appear on a Republican Presidential ticket.

She brought a [[populism|populist]] image and a record of cutting wasteful spending and reforming government to McCain's ticket. In the summer of 2007, she was the most popular governor in America, after cutting 13% of [[Alaska]]'s budget.<ref>http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/851orcjq.asp</ref> She is strongly [[pro-life]] and a prominent spokesperson for [[special needs]] children. She favors more competition in health care, and pushed for abolishing the [[certificate of need]] regulations that interfere with opening new medical clinics.<ref>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090403253.html?referrer=emailarticle</ref>

Married for 20 years, Sarah Palin's husband is a member of the United Steelworkers Union and her eldest son (of five children) is in the [[United States Army]], scheduled to go to Iraq. In an appearance on August 30, 2008 in Washington, Pennsylvania, she was greeted by a surprisingly large crowd as she promoted the new McCain-Palin ticket.

She earned her Journalism degree from the University of [[Idaho]]<ref>http://www.adn.com/palin/story/516085.html</ref> and worked in the media and the utility industry before beginning her public service 14 years ago.

==Personal Background==
[[Image:Sarah Palin Todd Trig.jpg|thumb|right|In this April 23, 2008 file photo, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, left, and her husband, Todd Palin, hold their baby boy Trig in Anchorage, Alaska. 
''Photo courtesy of Newsmax.com'']]
Palin arrived in Alaska with her family in 1964, when her parents came to teach school in Skagway. Palin attended Wasilla High School where her extracurricular activities included captaining the basketball team which went on to win the state championship <ref>[http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122108935141721343.html?mod=googlenews_wsj Obama Can't Win Against Palin] Wall Street Journal, September 11, 2008</ref> after graduating in 1982. She went on to college, after attending several institutions she received a bachelor of science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho in 1987. Over the course of her 44 years in Alaska she has lived in Skagway, Eagle River and Wasilla. To earn money for college, Palin entered beauty pageants.

She is married to [[Todd Palin]], part Yupik [[Eskimo]], who is a lifelong Alaskan, works at a non-management union job in the oil industry, and also as a commercial salmon fisherman. He is a four-time champion of the Iron Dog, the world's longest snowmobile race.

Sarah Palin is a [[Labor union | union]] member, a [[moose]] hunter and holds a membership in the [[NRA]].<ref>[http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/29/mccain-to-name-running-mate-on-friday/ McCain Names Alaska Gov. Palin as Running Mate] Fox News, August 29, 2008</ref> Todd and Sarah have five children together: Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper, and Trig.

Palin has been widely praised among conservatives for acting on her [[pro-life]] beliefs in the case of her youngest son, Trig, who was diagnosed with [[Down syndrome]] in the fourth month of her pregnancy. After researching the condition, she and her husband agreed to continue to pregnancy:
: "[My husband Todd said,] we shouldn't be asking 'Why us?' We should be saying 'Well, why not us?' We've both been very vocal about being pro life. We understand that every innocent life has wonderful potential. I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection. Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?" <ref>http://www.celebrity-babies.com/2008/05/gov-sarah-palin.html</ref> <ref>[http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=29242 Canadian Doctors 'Fear' Sarah Palin's Choice May Start a Trend] Catholic Online, Septmeber 11, 2008</ref>

Trig was born on April 18, 2008, four months before his mother was announced as the vice-presidential candidate. Palin wrote:
:"This new person in your life can help everyone put things in perspective and bind us together, and get everyone focused on what really matters ... Those who love him will think less about self and focus less on what the world tells [us] is 'normal' or 'perfect.'"<ref name="people">[[People magazine]]</ref>

:"It's a sign of the times to be able to do this," she said. "I can think of so many male candidates who watched a families grow while they were in office. There is no reason to believe a woman can't do it with a growing family. My baby will not be at all or in any sense neglected."<ref>Alaska governor balances newborn's needs, official duties [http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-05-10-4082128881_x.htm]</ref>

Palin's older son, Track, serves in the U.S. Army, and was deployed to [[Iraq War|Iraq]] in September 2008. Palin says, "I'm proud of him but I worry."<ref name="people">[[People magazine]]</ref>

In September of 2008, Palin announced that her daughter Bristol was five months pregnant. After having been given the choice, Bristol bravely chose to keep the child. Palin stated "We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents."<ref>[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080901/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_palin_daughter Palin says 17-year-old daughter is pregnant]</ref> Bristol has since gone on to promote abstinence as a realistic choice for teenagers, stating, "[A]bstinence is the only way you can effectively, 100% foolproof way you can prevent pregnancy."<ref>http://www.lifenews.com/nat5025.html</ref>

[[Image:Palin Family..jpg|thumb|left|Palin family members at the announcement of Palin's vice presidential selection, August 29, 2008. From left: Todd, Piper, Willow, Bristol, and Trig.]]

==Political Career==
Palin was elected to two terms on the Wasilla City Council, and then two terms as the Mayor / Manager of Alaska's fastest growing community (Population: 5400 in 2000)<ref>[http://wasilla.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm Wasilla Population and Demographics]</ref>. During her time as mayor, Palin hired a Washington lobbying firm to help secure $8 million in congressionally directed spending projects, otherwise known as earmarks.<ref>[http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-31-palin-bridge_N.htm Palin backed 'bridge to nowhere' in 2006]</ref> Ms. Palin's leadership qualities were recognized when she was elected as President of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. In 2002, she ran for Lieutenant Governor, but came in second in a four-way race. Later that year, when [[Frank Murkowski]] resigned his [[Senate]] seat to become [[governor]], she interviewed for the opening. Instead, Murkowski appointed his daughter to the seat. From there, she went on to run for governor and won, becoming the first female governor of Alaska and its youngest.

In 2003, then-Governor Mukowski appointed Palin to serve as Panel Ethics Commissioner of Alaska's Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska's [[non-renewable energy|non-renewable]] resources: [[oil]] and [[gasoline|gas]]. She resigned in 2004 as a protest over the "lack of ethics" of fellow panelists who had ignored her complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest. In a similar vein, Palin took a great political risk by revealing that Randy Reudrich, chairman of the state Republican party, was doing political business on state time. She did this to fulfil a [[conflict of interest]] statement that required her to report such things; to omit the revelation would have been dishonest. But it turned out that this action endeared her to the people of Alaska.<ref>[http://churchformen.blogspot.com/2008/09/people-around-world-are-asking-who-is.html Sarah Palin, a friend of mine] </ref>

To help cultivate influence and political clout in the state, Palin served from 2003 - June, 2005 as one of three directors of the "Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.", a 527 group that raised funds from corporate donors.<ref>[http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html#more Palin Was a Director of Embattled Sen. Ted Stevens's 527 Group]</ref> The stated purpose of the group is, "To increase the number of Republican women in elected offices and in appointed governmental and political positions, including advisory and regulatory commissions through training and education."<ref>[http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/527/ted_stevens_excellence_in_public_service_inc.asp Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc.]</ref>

She ran for Governor in 2006 on a clean government platform, and accomplished a political rarity in defeating the incumbent Governor [[Frank Murkowski]] in his own Republican primary. Palin went on to defeat former Governor [[Tony Knowles]] in the general election.

She has also served on the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission. She was named one of Alaska's "Top 40 Under 40", Alaska's Public Works "Person of the Year", and was recently inducted into the Sigma Beta Delta Honor Society at Alaska Pacific University.

Palin has served on numerous boards and commissions throughout the State, and stays active as a marathon runner, sports team mom, hockey manager and school volunteer. A lifetime member of the [[NRA]], she enjoys hunting, fishing, and Alaska history. <ref>http://gov.state.ak.us/bio.php Alaska Governor Sarah Palin</ref>
===Resignation===
In July of 2009, Governor Palin shocked Alaska and the nation with her announcement that she would not seek a second term, and would resign her office effective July 26, 2009.

In her own words:

{{cquote|'''Some say things changed for me on August 29th last year – the day John McCain tapped me to be his running-mate – ''I say others changed''.'''

Let me speak to that for a minute.

Political operatives descended on Alaska last August, digging for dirt. The ethics law I championed became their weapon of choice. Over the past nine months I've been accused of all sorts of frivolous ethics violations – such as holding a fish in a photograph, wearing a jacket with a logo on it, and answering reporters’ questions.

Every one – all 15 of the ethics complaints have been dismissed. We’ve won! But it hasn't been cheap - the State has wasted thousands of hours of your time and shelled out some two million of your dollars to respond to “opposition research” – that’s money not going to fund teachers or troopers – or safer roads. And this political absurdity, the “politics of personal destruction” … Todd and I are looking at more than half a million dollars in legal bills in order to set the record straight. And what about the people who offer up these silly accusations? It doesn’t cost them a dime so they’re not going to stop draining public resources – spending other peoples’ money in their game.

It’s pretty insane – my staff and I spend most of our day dealing with this instead of progressing our state now. I know I promised no more “politics as usual,” but this isn’t what anyone had in mind for Alaska.

If I have learned one thing: life is about choices!

And one chooses how to react to circumstances. You can choose to engage in things that tear down, or build up. I choose to work very hard on a path for fruitfulness and productivity. I choose not to tear down and waste precious time; but to build up this state and our country, and her industrious, generous, patriotic, free people!

Life is too short to compromise time and resources... it may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: "Sit down and shut up", but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out. And a problem in our country today is apathy. It would be apathetic to just hunker down and “go with the flow”.

Nah, only dead fish "go with the flow".

No. Productive, fulfilled people determine where to put their efforts, choosing to wisely utilize precious time... to build up.

And there is such a need to build up and fight for our state and our country. I choose to fight for it! And I'll work hard for others who still believe in free enterprise and smaller government; strong national security for our country and support for our troops; energy independence; and for those who will protect freedom and equality and life... I'll work for and campaign for those proud to be American, and those who are inspired by our ideals and won't deride them.

I will support others who seek to serve, in or out of office, for the right reasons, and I don't care what party they're in or no party at all. Inside Alaska – or Outside Alaska.

But I won’t do it from the Governor’s desk.

'''I've never believed that I, nor anyone else, needs a title to do this - to make a difference... to help people. So I choose, for my State and my family, more "freedom" to progress, all the way around... so that Alaska may progress... I will not seek re-election as Governor.'''

And so as I thought about this announcement that I wouldn’t run for re-election and what it means for Alaska, I thought about how much fun some governors have as lame ducks… travel around the state, to the Lower 48 (maybe), overseas on international trade – as so many politicians do. And then I thought – that’s what’s wrong – many just accept that lame duck status, hit the road, draw the paycheck, and “milk it”. I’m not putting Alaska through that – I promised efficiencies and effectiveness! That’s not how I am wired. I am not wired to operate under the same old “politics as usual.” I promised that four years ago – and I meant it.

'''It’s not what is best for Alaska.'''

'''I am determined to take the right path for Alaska even though it is unconventional and not so comfortable.'''

'''''With this announcement that I am not seeking re-election… I’ve determined it’s best to transfer the authority of governor to Lieutenant Governor Parnell; and I am willing to do so, so that this administration – with its positive agenda, its accomplishments, and its successful road to an incredible future – can continue without interruption and with great administrative and legislative success.'''''

My choice is to take a stand and effect change – not hit our heads against the wall and watch valuable state time and money, millions of your dollars, go down the drain in this new environment. Rather, we know we can effect positive change outside government at this moment in time, on another scale, and actually make a difference for our priorities – and so we will, for Alaskans and for Americans.

Let me go back to a comfortable analogy for me – sports… basketball. I use it because you’re naïve if you don’t see the national full-court press picking away right now: A good point guard drives through a full court press, protecting the ball, keeping her eye on the basket… and she knows exactly when to pass the ball so that the team can win. And I’m doing that – keeping our eye on the ball that represents sound priorities – smaller government, energy independence, national security, freedom! And I know when it’s time to pass the ball – for victory.

I have given my reasons candidly and truthfully… and my last day won’t be for another few weeks so the transition will be very smooth. In fact, we will look to swear Sean in – in Fairbanks at the conclusion of our Governor’s picnics.

I do not want to disappoint anyone with my decision; all I can ask is that you trust me with this decision – but it’s no more “politics as usual”.

Some Alaskans don’t mind wasting public dollars and state time. '''I do. I cannot stand here as your Governor and allow millions upon millions of our dollars go to waste just so I can hold the title of Governor. And my children won’t allow it either.''' <ref>[http://www.gov.state.ak.us/exec-column.php Executive Column: Palin's resignation announcement]</ref>}}

==Record as Governor==
===Energy and Oil===

A strong supporter of harnessing [[oil]] and natural [[gas]] resources, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) in March 2007, which would be the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope.<ref>http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/aug/29/palin-alaska-gasline-inducement-act-nears-completi/</ref> It received bipartisan support and was signed into law by Governor Palin in June. In August of 2008 she signed legislation giving state authority to award TransCanada Corp a license to build and operate a multibillion-dollar pipeline to ship natural gas from the North Slope.<ref>http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=2e84b1e8-9a4a-4558-ad05-21b517c50fae</ref> As Governor, Palin created a new subcabinet that will develop policies to reduce greenhouse gases and help the state adapt to [[climate change]]. She supports oil production in ANWR, connecting it with national security.<ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GE11URmmnc</ref>

In 2007, over the objections of oil companies, Palin worked with the Alaska state legislature to approve a major increase in taxes on the oil industry. <ref>[http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html Windfall tax lets Alaska rake in billions from Big Oil]</ref> The state then gave Alaskans a $1200 check to pay for increased gas prices, using the increased revenues from the tax.<ref>[http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/11/palin-backed-alaskan-windfall-profits-tax/ Palin backed Alaskan windfalls-profit tax]</ref>

Palin also announced on May 21, 2008 that the state would challenge a recent listing of [[polar bears]] as a threatened species as she and other Alaska elected officials feared such a listing would cripple oil and gas development in prime polar bear habitat off the state's northern and northwestern coasts. Palin's belief is that there is not enough evidence to support a listing, asserting that polar bears are well-managed and their population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation.

===State Economy===
[[Image:Govp_2008stos_large.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Gov. Sarah Palin delivering her 2008 State of the State address]] At first, Palin supported the Gravina Island Bridge Project, otherwise known as the "Bridge to Nowhere". In September 2006, during a stop in [[Ketchikan]] as part of her gubernatorial campaign, Palin stated, "OK, you've got Valley trash standing here in the middle of nowhere," Palin said, according to an account in the Ketchikan Daily News. "I think we're going to make a good team as we progress that bridge project."<ref>[http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere']</ref> The $398 million bridge would have connected Ketchikan, on Revillagigedo Island in southern southeast Alaska, to its airport on nearby Gravina island. The Anchorage Daily News also quoted her in an October, 2006 article as saying yes, she would continue state funding for the bridge because she wanted swift action on infrastructure projects. "The window is now while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist," she said.<ref>[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080831/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_bridge_to_nowhere;_ylt=Am.NkRx1mLWk9A34FLhn8IADW7oF Critics: Palin used 'Bridge to Nowhere' for gain]</ref> Palin announced her opposition to the project in a 2007 press release.

She has stated her opposition arose because of the excessive amount of pork-barrel spending in the project, and that she would not fund the $329 million that was short for the budget.<ref>http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/22/alaska.bridge.ap/</ref> This reversal cost her the support of prominent Alaskan Republicans like Former state House Speaker Gail Phillips, who said, "You don't tell a group of Alaskans you support something and then go to someplace else and say you oppose it". Palin instead said that the best option would be to upgrade the ferry system. However, the money that was retained from the earmark was not used for the ferry system, but was spent building a road on Gravina Island that links to the site of the canceled bridge.<ref name="bridge">http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN3125537020080901 Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans</ref>

Prominent Alaskan politicians criticized Palin for not "giving back" money earmarked for the project. These critics included her Republican campaign coordinator in Ketchikan, who stated that "She said 'thanks but no thanks,' but they kept the money".<ref name="bridge" /> However, state governments do not "give back" money in the manner proposed.

Three times during Palin's time as mayor, earmark funding for projects in Wasilla were noted in [[John McCain]]'s list of "objectionable" spending in 2001 and 2002. McCain's list of spending approved without normal budget scrutiny identified a $500,000 earmark for a public transportation project in the city and a $1 million earmark for an emergency communications center while $450,000 was set aside for an agricultural processing facility.<ref>[http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,6145252.story McCain had criticized earmarks from Palin]</ref> Palin, of course, as mayor of a small town had no ability to put these items in a Congressional bill, but her town did benefit from earmarked spending given to Alaska.

=== Foreign Policy ===
[[Image:Ftwainwright_govp_05s.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Governor Sarah Palin visits Strykers at Fort Wainwright, where she is briefed on how the troops are trained and what the training grounds provide.]]
Palin is Commander in Chief of the Alaska Army [[National Guard]]. In 2007 she visited troops in [[Germany]] and [[Kuwait]]. According to Major General Craig E. Campbell, the adjutant general of the Alaska National Guard who commands the roughly 3,800 state militia members, the Alaskan governor is not in the site's chain of command and has no authority over its operations. He told the Associated Press on August 31st that he and Palin play no role in national defense activities, even when they involve the Alaska National Guard. He went on to state that the entire operation is under federal control.<ref>[http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/31/ap/politics/main4401854.shtml GOP Cites Palin's Skill, But How Relevant Is It?]</ref>

During her first major interview, with ABC's [[Charlie Gibson]], Gibson asked Palin if she agreed with the "[[Bush Doctrine]]". Palin responded, "In what respect, Charlie?" Gibson followed, "What do you interpret it to be?" Palin answered with another question, "His world view?" Gibson still refused to answer directly but instead stated it was the doctrine Bush had proposed in September of 2002, before the Iraq war. Palin gave a response concerning Bush's attempt to eradicate Islamic extremism. Gibson then explained that the Bush doctrine refers to the right of anticipatory defense, a right to a preemptive strike against any country that we think is going to attack us. <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpJsQch9uZo Asked about the Bush Doctrine...Palin is Clueless]</ref> What Gibson did not point out is that he himself once gave a definition of the "Bush doctrine" (a concept made up by the press that has no clear definition) that was similar to Palin's answer. Indeed it has been pointed out since that there are actually four different versions of what the Bush doctrine is and the term and meaning changes over time and place.<ref>http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/12/palins-definition-of-bush-doctrine-hits-the-gibson-mark/</ref>

===Legislature Investigation===
In August of 2008, the [[Alaska]] state legislature began an investigation of Palin and her staff for potential abuse of power in regards to a firing of Commissioner of Public Safety Walter Monegan. Legally, Palin could dismiss Monegan at any time as he serves at the pleasure of the governor. Monegan was dismissed from his position in July of 2008, which Palin's political opponents claim was due to Monegan's refusal to fire trooper Mike Wooten, Palin's former brother-in-law who had a history of complaints including tasering his 10 year old stepson.<ref name="pc">http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212168861.shtml</ref> Palin says she released Monegan due to differences on budgeting. In an interview Monegan said that he was never told specifically by Sarah Palin to fire the state trooper Mike Wooten. <ref name="pc" />

Palin has denied the charges and, as is customary, the State of Alaska has hired a lawyer to represent her office in the investigation. August 25th, the Legislative Council voted 12-0 to hire Hollis French as the investigator. <ref>[http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=59d_1220063478 Investigation into Governor Sarah Palin's abuse of powers] CBS 11, August 30, 2008</ref> The Senate Judiciary Committee voted 3-2 and the House Judiciary Committee voted 7-0. The State's attorney released this statement:<ref>[http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cvn_palin_troopergate Palin hires attorney for Troopergate investigation]</ref>

:The governor of every state gets legal counsel and this attorney is part of a weeks-old effort to provide this governor defense in a series of outlandish politically motivated charges. This legal defense is neither new nor uncommon nor at all political. It is a matter of her job and is not recent and it is not related to her selection on the McCain-Palin ticket.

The McCain campaign came out with a picture that includes three lead state Democratic legislators investigating the Branchflower probe, known as ‘Troopergate'. The photo shows the three of them at [[Obama]] headquarters in Anchorage, Alaska in July. The McCain campaign said the whole investigation is politically tainted and compromised. Republican Rep. John Coghill of North Pole called on managing investigator, legislator French to step down from the probe, saying he no longer had confidence in his objectivity. "These statements cause me to think that the report is already written even though the investigation is only just begun and the most important witnesses have not even been interviewed,” Coghill wrote in a letter calling for French’s replacement. “The investigation appears to be lacking in fairness, neutrality and due process.” <ref>[http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2078644/posts McCain Camp has pictures of "troopergate" investigators at Obama Headquarters] FreeRepublic.com, September 9, 2008</ref> Democratic State Senator Kim Elton, head of the legislative council overseeing the investigation, said the decisions made by Sen. Hollis French "have been appropriate, bipartisan ... and unchallenged" and that French has called the comments he made last week "regrettable".<ref>[http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/08/palin.investigation/ Head of Palin trooper probe will stay, lawmaker says]</ref> Lawyer Thomas Van Flein called the investigation "unlawful and unconstitutional" and said the man hired to run it, former prosecutor Stephen Branchflower, has a conflict of interest because he is a friend of the fired commissioner. <ref>[http://www.adn.com/troopergate/story/522488.html Palin's attorney calls investigator biased] Ap, September 11, 2008</ref> 

The investigation issued its report for the Alaska State Legislative Council on October 10, 2008, concluding that Monegan's refusal to fire the trooper was not the sole reason he was dismissed, but was likely a contributing factor. The author of the report, Stephen Branchflower, focused on two questions of the inquiry: did Palin fire Walt Monegan improperly, and was the firing solely because of his refusal to fire her ex brother-in-law. "Governor Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda, to wit: to get Trooper Michael Wooten fired," Branchflower wrote.<ref>http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4998X420081011</ref> Based on this, Branchflower claims that "I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act."<ref>http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/DOWNLOAD.pdf Page 8</ref>

In accordance with the second question the report focused on, Branchflower wrote, "I find that, although Walt Monegan's refusal to fire Trooper Michael Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public Safety," Branchflower wrote. The second finding of the report reads: "In spite of that, Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads." Branchflower also dismissed the Palins' assertions that they were afraid of Wooten because of threats they said he made. "Such claims of fear were not bona fide and were offered to provide cover for the Palins' real motivation: to get Trooper Wooten fired for personal family related reasons," he wrote. <ref>http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10692757?source=most_viewed</ref> A preemptive response to this report was issued by the McCain/Palin campaign on October 9th, in which the campaign's own investigation concluded that Palin "acted within her proper and lawful authority in the reassignment of Walt Monegan".<ref>http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE4998X420081011</ref>

In the end the "October Surprise" predicted by the head of the commission came to pass. Although the commission was asked not to release its findings until after the election to avoid political posturing, they refused to do so. Apart from tarring and feathering Palin, the report made no recommendations for any further inquiries or punishment, as it was understood that there was no case to do so. No direct reports of Sarah Palin abusing her power were ever produced or asking for the official to be fired were ever produced, but that didn't stop the report from drawing its conclusions based upon conjecture without evidence. Indeed, after the hoopla over the report subsided, the state personnel board released its finding that exonnerated her of any wrongdoing.<ref>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081104/ap_on_el_pr/palin_troopergate</ref>

==Vice Presidential Candidate==

[[Image:Mccainpalin.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Sarah Palin vice presidential announcement, 08/29/08.]] On August 29, 2008, Palin was announced to be the Vice Presidential nominee for Republican Senator John McCain <ref>http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/sarah_palin_vp/2008/08/29/126138.html</ref>. The selection was a surprise, as those in the media were expecting [[Minnesota]] Governor [[Tim Pawlenty]] or former [[Massachusetts]]'s Governor [[Mitt Romney]]. Palin adds youth and executive experience to the ticket. She is the second female Vice Presidential candidate of a major party in U.S. history and the first one on a Republican ticket. The first was [[Geraldine Ferraro]], who the Democratic Party put on the ticket under [[Walter Mondale]] in 1984.

Palin's speech before the Republican convention on Wednesday, September 3rd was watched by over 40 million people. She had as many people turn in to see her as watched Obama's acceptance speech on the final day of the Democratic convention. Palin has also been attacked by the press on a level not seen since [[Dan Quayle]], although she ultimately handled it much better.
===Democrat Responses===
In a possible problem for the Democratic ticket, a majority of people believed that the press was trying to hurt Palin<ref>http://news.yahoo.com/story/rasmussen/20080904/pl_rasmussen/palinmedia20080904;_ylt=AqErk__wZIKdoVvqUXdr44Nh24cA</ref> and that type of unwarranted attack could have backfired into more support for the McCain/Palin ticket especially with unaffiliated voters believing the press is purposely attacking Palin by a 49% to 32% margin.

Many Democrats had advised the Obama campaign to ignore Palin, fearing that emphasis on her inexperience will backfire against Obama himself.<ref>[http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/capital/2008/09/05/tips-for-obama-ignore-palin-dis-mccain Matt Coopoer, "Tips for Obama: Ignore Palin, Dis McCain," Sept. 5, 2008, ''Conde-Nast Portfoloio.com'']</ref> She participated in a debate with the Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden on October 2, 2008, ending up being declared the winner by most credible news sources that are not influenced by liberal bias. Palin "kept Joe Biden on the defensive" and "ended up dominating [the debate]".<ref>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14234.html</ref>

During a campaign event in [[Virginia]], Barack Obama said of the McCain/Palin ticket's similar policies, "...You can put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig."<ref>http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/obama_lipstick_mccain/2008/09/09/129274.html</ref> Given the fact that she's stated "The difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull (is) lipstick" and the fact that only a female candidate would wear lipstick, the McCain camp released a web ad implying that the comment was targeting Governor Palin. The ad featured video clips of Gov. Palin convention speech, Obama's remarks at the campaign event, and a clip of Katie Couric commenting on pervasive sexism in the campaign. After extensive discussion in the news media, the ad was removed from McCain's website and other video sites following a copyright claim by CBS news. <ref>[http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/CBS_takes_down_McCain_webad_suggests_its_misleading.html?showall]</ref>

Palin is a lightning rod to the established [[liberal]] women's movement. She, like many high profile conservative females, have taken much abuse from the left. Palin has been forced to set up a legal defense fund to help pay for fees related to an onslaught of ethic complaints, which are always frivolous. <ref>[http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/18738 Palin blasts Obama administration: Government wants to "control the people"] CNN</ref> Because she is retiring from being governor of Alaska, the anti-American liberals pat themselves on the back in glee. Liberals don't understand yet, probably never will, that she is ''the'' typical conservative that the majority of Americans identify with. Her principles and her outlook on Americanism is a model for all future leaders.

Palin said of the people who have filed the complaints:
{{cquote| <big>'''Those are the folks who want to tell me, they want to tell you, to sit down and shut up. We will not do that. I just can't, because I love my state. I love my country.'''</big> }}

===Impact on Ticket===

In the run-up to the Vice-Presidential debate on October 2, 2008, a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center attempted to measure the degree to which Palin impacted the GOP ticket positively or negatively in September.<ref>http://people-press.org/report/456/obama-regains-lead</ref> The survey compared the answers to two identical questions about her qualifications and overall favorable/unfavorable rating between polls taken in early and late September. The results show that public opinion of Palin has fallen significantly since the Republican convention, particularly in the public's opinion of her qualification to be Vice President. Faced with a barrage of negative press attacks after her nomination, some prominent Republicans like [[Mitt Romney]] believe that the isolation of Palin from the media in September was a mistake, and are calling for an increase in unscripted encounters with the press and public to counter that perception. According to Romney, "Holding Sarah Palin to just three interviews and microscopically focusing on each interview I think has been a mistake. I think they’d be a lot wiser to let Sarah Palin be Sarah Palin. Let her talk to the media, let her talk to people." <ref>http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/09/30/doubts-about-palin-grow-even-among-conservatives/</ref> Exit polling from the election itself had the final say on the matter of her impact on the ticket. For those who considered her nomination on the ticket to be unimportant, 57% voted for Obama. For those who considered her nomination to be important, 53% voted for Obama, thereby showing a positive overall impact on the ticket. Considering that exit polling tilts Democratic, the actual impact may have been greater.

==Future political prospects==
It is suspected that Palin may spend the next four years building a base for a 2012 run for the Republican nomination against Barack Obama. Given her personal charisma and Reagan-esque connection with average, conservative Americans, she may be able to pull off a resounding victory. <ref>[http://www.capitalcityweekly.com/stories/120308/new_363163237.shtml Sarah Palin hits Republican talking points while stumping in Georgia]</ref> Conservative groups have speculated possible running mates, including [[Michelle Bachmann]] and [[Sean Hannity]]. Others suspect she may again seek nomination as the Vice-presidential candidate,

==SarahPAC==

On January 27, 2009 Palin formed the political action committee (PAC) SarahPAC. The organization supports "energy independence and reform" and will endorse candidates who "share Governor Palin’s ideas and goals." <ref>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=azCCxotgdG1E&refer=home</ref>

==Beliefs==
Palin filled out a policy questionnaire for the Eagle Forum Alaska during her 2006 gubernatorial race. One question asked, "Will you support funding for abstinence-until-marriage education instead of for explicit sex-education programs, school-based clinics, and the distribution of contraceptives in schools?" Palin responded, "Yes, the explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support." Yet [[public schools]] still resist teaching abstinence and instead promote sexual behavior by teenagers.

Another question asked, "Are you offended by the phrase 'Under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?" Palin replied, "Not on your life. '''If it was good enough for the founding fathers''', it's good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance."

Many liberals ignorant of the history of "under God" have tried to ridicule Palin's remark, even calling her an "idiot" for it.<ref>http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2008/sep/01/week</ref><ref>The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892, and George Washington's phrase "under God" was added to it in June 1954.</ref> In fact, the origin of the phrase "under God" is the General Orders of [[George Washington]] on July 2 and 9, 1776: "The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the courage and conduct of this army" (July 2); "the peace and safety of the Country now depends, under God, solely on the success of our arms" (July 9).<ref>http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/264xqezm.asp?pg=2</ref> George Washington was indeed a [[Founding Father]], and the Founding Fathers made no secret of their Christian faith and unfailing belief in God in the [[Declaration of Independence]] and later writings.

Palin also believes that students need to learn of the controversy surrounding the [[Theory of evolution|Theory of evolution]], and that discussing Creationism should not be banned from schools. During the 2006 campaign for the Alaskan Governorship, Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."<ref>http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html</ref> She later clarified her position by stating "I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum." She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum. As of September 2008 she has kept that pledge.

In an example of liberal mockery, the [[Huffington Post]] attempted to make light of Sarah Palin's creationist beliefs, highlighting the creationary belief that [[dinosaur|dinosaurs]] and man coexisted.<ref>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/28/palin-claimed-dinosaurs-a_n_130012.html</ref> SNL likewise did a skit in which they had her refer to the Museum of Natural History as "that evolution museum".

==Church Life==
Sarah Palin was baptized as a Roman Catholic and, at age 12, she was rebaptized in the Wasilla Assembly of God church. <ref>{{cite web
|accessdate=2008-08-30
|url=http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-mccainveepbio30-2008aug30,0,2159346.story
|title=Palin has risen quickly from PTA to VP pick
|author=Decker, Cathleen and Michael Finnegan,
|work=Los Angeles Times
|date=August 30, 2008}}</ref><ref>{{cite news
| last = Gorsk| first = Eric
| url = http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g4-w_DCWffagBaQb8Il9a0R2hkPAD92SL7E00
| title = Evangelicals energized by McCain-Palin ticket
| publisher =Associated Press
| date = 2008-08-30
| accessdate = 2008-08-30}}</ref>

Palin attends the Wasilla Bible Church<ref>{{cite web |first=David |last=Pepper |title=Regarding Governor Palin: A Letter from Pastor David Pepper |url=http://churchontherockak.org/Regarding-Sarah-Palin.html |publisher=Church on the Rock |accessdate=2008-09-04}}</ref>, an independent congregation,<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.wasillabible.org/faq.htm |title=Wasilla Bible Church FAQ |accessdate=2008-09-05 |work= |publisher= |date= }}</ref><ref name="miller">Lisa Miller and Amanda Coyne. "[http://www.newsweek.com/id/156679 A Visit to Palin's Church: Scripture and discretion on the program in Wasilla]." ''Newsweek''. Sept. 2, 2008.</ref> when at home and the Juneau Christian Center when in Juneau as governor.<ref>{{cite web |title=Statement Concerning Sarah Palin |url=http://www.jccalaska.com/images/10000/3000/582JU/user/palin.htm |publisher=Juneau Christian Center |date=2008-09-03 |accessdate=2008-09-04}}</ref>

==Popularity==

Whether or not people say that they like Sarah Palin, they gravitate to see her. She earned the highest TV ratings at the Republican convention when she spoke, even surpassing McCain's acceptance speech, and matched Obama's acceptance speech when he was in front of a Greek temple with a stadium of people. As a Vice Presidential candidate, that was unprecedented. Likewise her Vice Presidential debate with Joe Biden had more viewers than any of the three debates between McCain and Obama. Finally, her brief appearance on Saturday Night Live gave the show its highest ratings in 14 years, and was actually the third highest ranked show for the week based on the number of people who tuned in originally to watch her, 17 million, even though it ran at midnight.<ref>http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/oct/20/ustelevision-tvratings</ref>

==References==

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==External Links==
[[Image:Palin.JPG|thumb]]
*[http://www.gov.state.ak.us/ State of Alaska - Governor Sarah Palin Official Website]
*[http://www.nga.org/portal/site/nga/menuitem.29fab9fb4add37305ddcbeeb501010a0/?vgnextoid=864bb9006da3f010VgnVCM1000001a01010aRCRD National Governor's Association - Alaska Governor Sarah Palin]
*[http://votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=27200 Project Vote Smart - Governor Sarah H. Palin]
*[http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm Sarah Palin On the issues]
*[http://parentingfreedom.com/2008/09/03/sarah-palin-mother-and-first-female-vice-president-pictures-children-parenting/ Sarah Palin: Mother and First Female Vice President], ''Parenting Freedom'', September 03, 2008
*[http://churchformen.blogspot.com/2008/09/people-around-world-are-asking-who-is.html Sarah Palin, a friend of mine]
*[http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDE3MmE5MDVmMGM1YjQ2NmVhMjJkN2I2ZTcxMzhlNjU=&w=MA== I Still Hate You, Sarah Palin] National Review Online

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European Parliament

2009-09-17T02:23:53Z

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The '''European Parliament''' is one of the [[parliament|parliamentary]] [[legislature|legislative]] bodies of the [[European Union]]. Its membership consists of directly elected [[Members of the European Parliament]] (MEPs), from each of the 27 EU member-states. There are currently 785 members, elected for five-year terms. The President is the Conservative [[German]] MEP [[Hans-Gert Pöttering]], who represents the [[European People's Party–European Democrats]].<ref>[http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public.do?language=en Welcome to the European Parliament] - European Parliament website</ref> The number of representatives per country is roughly determined by population, but the exact numbers were negotiated in treaties.

Parliament's powers have gradually grown with the entry into force of the Single European Act (1986), the Maastricht Treaty (1993) and the Treaty of Amsterdam (1999). Parliament shares decision-making power on an equal footing with the Council in many areas under the Community Pillar to which the "co-decision procedure" applies. The European Parliament is one of the two branches with budgetary authority – the Council is the other. The signature of the EP president brings the overall EU budget into effect.

The European Parliament also plays a role in the process of selecting the President and other members of the Commission. The European Council's nomination of the President is subject to approval by the Parliament. The EP holds U.S.-style public hearings of Commission nominees before taking a formal vote to approve the nomination of the Commission as a body. Parliament has the power to censure the entire Commission, but not to dismiss individual Commissioners.

The organization is based in both [[Strasbourg]], [[France]] (for official legislative procedure) and in [[Brussels]], [[Belgium]] (for unofficial or negotiative stages). While Brussels is the main seat for most other European Union offices, European law requires that the parliament sits 12 times a year in Strasbourg, which is also the seat of the other legislative body of the Union; namely the [[Council of Europe]]. The cost of having two seats for the parliament is significantly higher than were there a single seat, with an estimated price tag of €203 million of extra travel expenses. This extra cost, due to the perceived bureaucracy of the EU, has led to large amounts of criticism for the organization.<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7575319.stm Strasbourg unfit for EU session ] - BBC News, August 20, 2008</ref>

The European Parliament was first established in 1958; as the legislature of the (then) [[European Economic Community]], the predecessor to the European Union. At this time, however, the representatives were not elected, instead appointed by their national governments. Even at this point, the parliament met in both Brussels and Strasbourg, and was criticized for its bureaucracy.<ref>[http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,903761,00.html Breeze in Parliament] - TIME, January 29, 1973</ref>

The representatives in the parliament are usually members of pan-European political parties, with the domestic parties of member states usually aligned with larger European groups; for example, the governing [[British]] [[Labour Party]] is aligned with the [[Group of the Party of European Socialists]].<ref>[http://www.labour.org.uk/groupofthepartyofeuropeansocialists Group of the Party of European Socialists] - Labour Party website</ref>

The responsibilities of the parliament include regulating the budget of the EU and monitoring the actions of the [[European Commission]]. The legislature's power over budgeting is not complete, however, with the much criticized farm-subsidies under the [[Common Agricultural Policy]] (which takes up £60 billion [$120billion] of the budget) being negotiated instead by ministers outside of the democratic process.<ref>[http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/12/12/edlaan_ed3_.php European Parliament : People power for Europe] - International Herald Tribune, December 12, 2003</ref><ref>[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1506042.ece EU loophole allows city ‘farmers’ to reap millions in subsidy harvest] - The Times, March 13, 2007</ref> Currently, 80% of the subsidies go to just 20% of farms across the EU.<ref>[http://fpc.org.uk/articles/320 Time to come clean on EU farm subsidies]</ref>

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:International Politics]]

European Parliament

2009-09-17T02:15:18Z

JacobI:

The '''European Parliament''' is one of the [[parliament|parliamentary]] [[legislature|legislative]] bodies of the [[European Union]]. Its membership consists of directly elected [[Members of the European Parliament]] (MEPs), from each of the 27 EU member-states. There are currently 785 members, elected for five-year terms. The President is the Conservative [[German]] MEP [[Hans-Gert Pöttering]], who represents the [[European People's Party–European Democrats]].<ref>[http://www.europarl.europa.eu/parliament/public.do?language=en Welcome to the European Parliament] - European Parliament website</ref> The number of representatives per country is roughly determined by population, but the exact numbers were negotiated in treaties.

Parliament's powers have gradually grown with the entry into force of the Single European Act (1986), the Maastricht Treaty (1993) and the Treaty of Amsterdam (1999). Parliament shares decision-making power on an equal footing with the Council in many areas under the Community Pillar to which the "co-decision procedure" applies. The European Parliament is one of the two branches with budgetary authority – the Council is the other. The signature of the EP president brings the overall EU budget into effect.

The European Parliament also plays a role in the process of selecting the President and other members of the Commission. The European Council's nomination of the President is subject to approval by the Parliament. The EP holds U.S.-style public hearings of Commission nominees before taking a formal vote to approve the nomination of the Commission as a body. Parliament has the power to censure the entire Commission, but not to dismiss individual Commissioners.

The organization is based in both [[Strasbourg]], [[France]] (for official legislative procedure) and in [[Brussels]], [[Belgium]] (for unofficial or negotiative stages). While Brussels is the main seat for most other European Union offices, European law requires that the parliament sits 12 times a year in Strasbourg, which is also the seat of the other legislative body of the Union; namely the [[Council of Europe]]. The cost of having two seats for the parliament is significantly higher than were there a single seat, with an estimated price tag of €203 million of extra travel expenses. This extra cost, due to the perceived bureaucracy of the EU, has led to large amounts of criticism for the organization.<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7575319.stm Strasbourg unfit for EU session ] - BBC News, August 20, 2008</ref>

The European Parliament was first established in 1958; as the legislature of the (then) [[European Economic Community]], the predecessor to the European Union. At this time, however, the representatives were not elected, instead appointed by their national governments. Even at this point, the parliament met in both Brussels and Strasbourg, and was criticized for its bureaucracy.<ref>[http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,903761,00.html Breeze in Parliament] - TIME, January 29, 1973</ref>

The representatives in the parliament are usually members of pan-European political parties, with the domestic parties of member states usually aligned with larger European groups; for example, the governing [[British]] [[Labour Party]] is aligned with the [[Group of the Party of European Socialists]].<ref>[http://www.labour.org.uk/groupofthepartyofeuropeansocialists Group of the Party of European Socialists] - Labour Party website</ref>

The responsibilities of the parliament include regulating the budget of the EU and monitoring the actions of the [[European Commission]]. The legislature's power over bugeting is not complete, however, with the much criticized farm-subsidies under the [[Common Agricultural Policy]] (which takes up £60 billion [$120billion] of the budget) being negotiated instead by ministers outside of the democratic process.<ref>[http://www.iht.com/articles/2003/12/12/edlaan_ed3_.php European Parliament : People power for Europe] - International Herald Tribune, December 12, 2003</ref><ref>[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1506042.ece EU loophole allows city ‘farmers’ to reap millions in subsidy harvest] - The Times, March 13, 2007</ref> Currently, 80% of the subsidies go to just 20% of farms across the EU.<ref>[http://fpc.org.uk/articles/320 Time to come clean on EU farm subsidies]</ref>

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:International Politics]]

Spa

2009-09-17T02:10:52Z

JacobI: dashing

A '''spa''' is a health resort which uses the waters of mineral springs for therapeutic purposes. The term derives from the town of Spa in [[Belgium]]. Spas have been known since ancient times — the city of [[Bath]] in western England was once a [[Roman]] spa named ''Aquae Sulis'' — but they reached their peak of popularity in the later nineteenth century. Major spa towns existed across Europe and North America.

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Semipermeable Membrane

2009-09-17T01:50:51Z

JacobI: moving template to the top -- views better

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A '''semipermeable membrane''' is a [[membrane]] that allows only certain [[molecule]]s to pass through it. [[Dialysis]] tubing is an example of a semipermeable membrane.

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George Galloway

2009-09-17T01:49:09Z

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[[Image:George_Galloway.jpg|right|thumb|200px|George Galloway]]
'''George Galloway''' (August 16, 1954, [[Dundee]]) is an extreme [[left-wing]] [[Scotland|Scottish]] politician and the [[Respect]] Member of Parliament (MP) for Bethnal Green and Bow, in [[London]] (although he is commonly referred to in the media as the "member for Baghdad North"). He was expelled from the [[Britain|British]] [[Labour party]] in October 2003 for bringing the party into disrepute. The party charged that Galloway incited [[Arab]]s to fight British troops and also incited British troops to defy the orders of their officers. The party's National Constitutional Committee was unanimous in its guilty verdict.<ref>"Labour statement on Galloway" [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3208755.stm ''BBC News''] October 23, 2003</ref>
[[Image:Galloway traitor.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Allegations of [[Treason]] have been leveled at Galloway]]
Galloway first entered politics aged 26 in his home town, where he ordered the [[PLO]] flag to be flown over the town hall and withdraw the city's civic hospitality to visiting [[NATO]] warships. The political editor of one major [[British]] newspaper has gone on record as saying: "''Galloway is a silver-tongued bully who has always been surrounded by a cloud of suspicion over his shifty activities, his manipulation of other people’s cash and his readiness to punch anyone he could not sue...A congenital liar, his favourite defence trick was total denial. If that failed, he would claim he had been misquoted.''"<ref>'''Kavanagh, Trevor''' "Paid to be a traitor" ''The Sun'' (2006)</ref>

In a 1994 speech he addressed [[Saddam Hussein]] as "Your Excellency, Mr President," and went on to state: "''Sir, allow me to salute your courage, your strength and your indefatigability''" and "''hatta al-nasr, hatta al-nasr, hatta al-Quds''" (Arabic for "until victory, until victory, until Jerusalem"). In his defense he claimed he had been misquoted - although TV footage showed that he hadn't. He was also caught on video meeting with [[Uday Hussein]], Saddam's eldest son, calling him "Excellency"<ref>"Video Shows British MP Met With Hussein's Son" [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182797,00.html ''Fox News''] January 25, 2006</ref>

Viciously anti-[[Israel]], he has boasted that he sometimes dreamed he was part of an army wading ashore waving a [[Kalashnikov]] and driving the [[Judaism|Jewish]] nation into the sea. When this was reported, he claimed he had been misquoted.

Though Galloway's supporter's claim that he is an "anti-war" politician, he was a supporter of Saddam Hussein's 1991 attack on Kuwait, as well as describing terrorists in post-Saddam Iraq as "freedom fighters."

Galloway has stated "''I am on the anti-imperialist left... and I think the disappearance of the Soviet Union is the biggest catastrophe of my life. If there was a Soviet Union today, we would not be having this conversation about plunging into a new war in the Middle East, and the US would not be rampaging around the globe.''"<ref>'''Hattenstone, Simon''', "Saddam and me" [http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,792765,00.html ''The Guardian''] September 16, 2002</ref>

In a 2006 interview, he said that the [[assassination]] of British [[Prime Minister]] [[Tony Blair]] by [[suicide bomber]] would be "''morally justified... [and] entirely logical and explicable.''"<ref>'''[[Christopher Hitchens|Hitchens, Christopher]]''' "Furious George: Galloway preapproves the murder of the British prime minister" [http://www.slate.com/id/2142635 ''Slate''] May 30, 2006</ref>

==Backlash==
On June 10, 2007 Galloway was the victim of an attack by 6 men at [[Glasgow]] Airport. He said afterwards: "''It was a terrifying experience and quite disgraceful for these people to behave like this. There was one guy I would describe as a ringleader who said, 'I don't like your radio talk, I don't like your newspaper talk, I have a religious duty to knock you down'.''"<ref>"Galloway tells of mob attack" [http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=911832007 ''The Scotsman''] June 11, 2007</ref>

On July 18, 2007, the [[Daily Mail]] reported that Galloway could face a fresh police inquiry into his financial links to Saddam Hussein's regime. His response was ''"They should be striking a medal for me. But these are the people who just a couple of weeks ago were giving a tear- stained standing ovation to a man - Tony Blair - who most of the world believes to be a war criminal."'' <ref> [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=468624&in_page_id=1770 Galloway faces new police inquiry into Saddam cash] </ref>

==References==
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User talk:Macky

2009-09-16T20:28:32Z

JacobI: simple solution, right?

If you don't like it, then leave... [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 16:28, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

Soul

2009-09-16T20:27:37Z

JacobI: reverting edits

[[Image:Soul.jpg|right]]
The '''soul''' is a vital concept within many [[religion|religious]] traditions, including [[Christianity]]. The soul is considered to be the eternal element of an individual.

Most Christians regard the soul as the immortal essence of a human - the seat or locus of human [[will]], [[understanding]], [[morality]] and/or [[personality]]. When a person's physical body [[death|dies]], it is the soul that proceeds to the [[afterlife]] in [[Heaven]] or [[Hell]].

Scientists generally ignore or dismiss the soul as unsuitable for study. To be precise, the [[methodological naturalism]] of modern science is unable to handle the concept of the soul. Anything which is not material is deliberately excluded from consideration, and as the soul is not a material thing scientists accordingly refuse to study it. This has implications for the study of human [[psychology]]. There is also the question of when the soul enters the body, as this is important for the debate on [[abortion]] from a theological position.

It should be noted that there was once a study made at the turn of the 20th century by Duncan MacDougall of the loss of weight at the time of death. The scientist doing the measurements concluded that this loss of weight (approximately three quarters of an ounce) was due to the soul leaving the body.<ref>http://www.bio.miami.edu/dywang/Soul-Searching.html</ref> He also did a similar experiment with [[dog]]s, but found no change in weight, which would match the Chistian concept that of [[God]]'s [[creation]]s on the earth, humans alone have souls. No known attempts to follow up his work have ever been made.

In religions that believe in [[reincarnation]], all animals have souls, as they believe that a soul can be born into any animal after death. This is part of why the [[Jain]] religion and some branches of [[Buddhism]] have a strict prohibition against harming living things.

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User talk:JacobI

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JacobI: since people seem to like doing that now.. might as well make a section for them to post.

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== The Game ==
:Haha I just lost the game!!--[[User:IScott|IScott]] 00:03, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks, I had forgotten about it until you just mentioned it. *goes to bed a loser of The Game* -=- [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:06, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== Reference ==
:Haha! you make me sound terrible in your "religious background" thing. xD I probably was. lol [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 20:57, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
::I didn't mean to convey you in such a way. You helped me realize some other things to.
::Almost all break-ups are "terrible", but that doesn't make the people "terrible". I was tired and being bitter when I wrote that. ...that's a poor excuse for writing those things too. Sorry. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 23:36, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Haha, that's ok, I probably was terrible. I can't remember but I remember being quite a mean person. I probably still am, who knows. Lol. Sounds like you've grown to be a much better person these years. Not that you were a bad one in the first place. [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 00:33, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::::I sure hope you're joking about that comment you made about yourself.
::::It's not that you were a terrible person, I think it's cause our personalities were too different for stuff to work out properly. Someone was more clued in about that and decided to tell you that before things got too out of hand. At least, that's what I tell myself. :P [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:41, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::The french on your main page burns my eyes. D-: Je ne comprehend pas cela... {{unsigned|PhyllisS}}
::::::I put it back to English, so you can understand what I was trying to say. Dx [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 14:48, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Oh, that would be "Je ne sais plus faire parler ou écrire en français." I think. Well, that translates to "I no longer know how to speak or write French", anyway. Don't know about the "proper" adjective... because "propre" in French has all these weird things, like if you say "mon propre chambre" it means "my own room"... or something. [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 18:25, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It's okay. You're better at French than I am. :D
::::::::I had no idea you were into Aerospace Engineering and inventing -- I always figured you would end up doing Electrical Engineering. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 22:54, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
==Reversion==
You reverted my edit on the [[Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil]]. Please provide justification. Thanks. --[[User:EMC|EMC]] 00:41, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:My justification is that your edit to [[Christianity]] was outlandish. Meaning, no good can come of your stay here. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:42, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::Please provide justification on the basis of my edit and tell me what the inaccuracy was. --[[User:EMC|EMC]] 00:45, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:::(EC) Citrus-bearing fruit..? I've only ever seen it as an apple tree in so many depictions. Also, God is incapable of sin because He is perfect, and lying is a sin. Adam and Eve did eventually die. Or did you not read that far into the Bible? [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:47, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Citrus fruits are not outlandish and your in'''sin'''uation that they are is unacceptable. Citrus fruits are a creation of god, and thus they are perfect and beautiful. Furthermore: Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it;''' for in the day that thou eatest thereof''' thou shalt surely die." 3:4-5 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." The serpent tells the truth. God doesn't say "eat of it and you'll surely die after nine hundred years of populating the plant." God gives the clear indication that if they were to eat of the tree, they'd die thereof. --[[User:EMC|EMC]] 00:57, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::You're making the assumption that He meant instaneously. If they never ate of the Fruit, then they would live on forever, just as the purpose of Heaven serves. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 01:04, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:::EMC is gone thanks for the heads up! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 01:11, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::::No problem, thanks for doing what I can't do. ...No one likes a troll. :D [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 01:15, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

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Christianity

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{{Christianity}}
'''Christianity''' is the world's largest religion, having 2.1 billion followers. It is a [[monotheistic]] religion that professes belief in [[Jesus]] as the Son of [[God]]. Christianity takes its name from [[Jesus Christ]] meaning "Jesus the Savior" and "Jesus the Anointed One". Followers of Jesus are called Christians, meaning "of Christ" or "belonging to Christ".<ref>[http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=2661&dict=CALD Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary]</ref>

== Main Christian groups ==
[[Image:Anglican Christ Church.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Anglican Christ Church in Western Australia]]
'''The three largest self-governing bodies of Christians are:'''

* The [[Roman Catholic Church]] (approx. 1.1 billion baptized members) traces its roots back to [[Saint Peter]] who Catholic believed established the Church and the succession of the [[Pope]]s as the spiritual authority over the Christian body of believers.

* The [[Orthodox Church]]es (approx. 300 million baptized members) also trace their roots back to the beginnings of Christianity, but do not believe in the Primacy of the Pope. Different theological perspectives led to the [[Great Schism]] between the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches in A.D. 1054.

* [[Protestantism]], the largest Communions are the [[Anglican Church|Anglicans]] (approx. 77 million baptized members) and the Lutheran World Federation (approx. 68 million baptized members). Protestantism has its origins in the European [[Reformation]]. It first broke away from the Roman Catholic Church under [[Martin Luther]] when differences over the nature of faith and works in the role of [[Christianity#salvation|salvation]] could not be adequately reconciled with Papal prescriptions as well as other practices that Luther saw in the Catholic Church at that time that he did not agree with. Other preachers and movements then followed Luther's example and also left the Catholic fold.

== Christian Beliefs ==
Theologians, over two millennia, have debated a definitive summary of the Christian faith. While its interpretations vary drastically, probably the most commonly accepted statement of faith is the [[Nicene Creed| Nicea-Constantinopolitan Creed]] below:

<blockquote>I believe in one God, [[God the Father|the Father Almighty]], Maker of [[heaven]] and [[earth]], and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the [[Holy Spirit]] and the [[Virgin Mary]], and became man. And He was crucified for us under [[Pontius Pilate]], and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the [[Bible|Scriptures]]; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the [[Resurrection]] of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.</blockquote>

Christians and Christian denominations agree on many points of doctrine and disagree on others. According to an online Harris poll from 2003 99% of all American Christians believe in God, 96% in the [[Resurrection of Jesus Christ|resurrection of Jesus Christ]], 93% in Heaven, 93% in the virgin birth, 92% in the survival of the soul after death, 82% in Hell, 50% in ghosts, 27% in astrology and 21% in reincarnation. <ref>http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=359</ref> Note that the latter two beliefs are in opposition to the religious dogma of most Christian denominations.

Nonetheless, the Nicea-Constantinopolitan Creed offers a general overall picture of what Christian theology looks like, and serves as a useful outline.

Other creeds may prove helpful in research. See also: the [[Apostle's Creed]], [[Athanasian Creed]].

===God===
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God is a triune being. Though there is only one Divine nature there are three Divine Persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The three Persons are collectively called the [[Trinity]] or the Holy Trinity. Christians are not polytheists because of the oneness of the divine nature (or essence). Though to non-Christians and even many Christians, it might seem like an inconsequential dogma, the doctrine of the Trinity is central to all of Christian theology and life. This is especially true in the relationship between God and human beings. The major theme of the Bible is love. In the Hebrew [[Old Testament]] the idea is expressed in the Hebrew word ''hessed'', which is variously translated as loyal love, tender mercy, steadfast love, mercy, goodness, etc. in the [[New Testament]] the same idea is expressed in the Greek word ''agape'', which is variously translated as love, compassion, charity, etc. The picture that the Biblical writers draw with these words is of a lover (God) who is entirely self-sufficient, needing nothing, and a beloved (human beings) in desperate need of salvation but unable to obtain it for himself. But God the lover is willing to suffer, knows He is going to suffer, even endure death to save those who believe in him. This love of God for human beings is an extension of the love the Three Persons in the Trinity have for each other. Each loves the others infinitely. Their love for each other and for their creation is such that the [[Apostle John]] equates God and love, in an almost mathematical way saying, "God is love."

Additionally, the God of the Christians is the creator of all things, is everywhere present, exists in all times, is transcendent, all-knowing (omniscient), just, all-powerful (omnipotent).

===Jesus===
[[Image:Jesus' Baptism.jpg|180px|left|]]
During the reign of [[Caeser Augustus]] the Son (e.g. the second Person of the Trinity) took flesh from a virgin woman and was incarnate as a man. He was born in the town of [[Bethlehem]] and was given the name [[Jesus]]. At the age of thirty he was baptized by his cousin, the [[John the Baptist|Prophet John]], and began to preach in the area [[Palestine]]. About three years after his baptism, he raised his friend Lazarus from the dead, prompting the Jewish power establishment to plot Jesus death. Jesus was [[crucified]]. He came back from the dead and was seen by over 500 people. He ascended to heaven. The four [[Gospels]] contain the records of some of what Jesus did and said, but he did much more than those four books relate, as the Apostle John said in his Gospel.
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===Jesus' Self Consciousness===

Jesus, conceived of the Holy Spirit, presented a disturbing surprise to his earthly father, Joseph, knowing he had not impregnated his fiancee, Mary. She would ponder the meaning of this miracle all the days Jesus would grow and finally she would behold her son expire on the cross. But Joseph, told by the Lord who his son really was, and how he had come about, and being warned by the Lord to flee the murderous Herod, took his family to Egypt - until the death of Herod made it safe ("Out of Egypt have I called My Son") to return to Israel. The family settled in Nazareth on the elevated rim of the Jezre'el Valley where he grew well and observably no different from the other youth. But when he was about 12 years old, he was taken to the Temple in Jerusalem, and displayed his consciousness that His real Father was God rather than Joseph ("Didn't you know that I must be here about the matters of My Father?".

They returned to Nazereth in Galilee and it wasn't until 28 years later that He began to publicly show His consciousness as to who he was. This was at his baptism at the Jordan River by John, when the voice came, to him, to John, and to the people privileged to be around, "This is my Son, the Beloved, Listen (Shma'a) to Him!" Here and now, against even the desire of John the Baptizer, Jesus, knowing that sin was not in him, chose to identify with sinful mankind in this baptism of John for repentance of sin, knowing that at the end of his time on earth, he would then be giving this sinless life of his on the cross, bearing the sins of the world upon himself.
[[Image:Carpaccio Christus in Emmaus.jpg|thumb|Christus in Emmaus by [[Vittore Carpaccio]]]]
Back, now, in Galilee, he would begin to do works of mercy, miracles of compassion, healings of deliverance, and overthrowing the devastations of Satan upon the people of God's compassion - in short, bringing in the Kingdom of Heaven and of God and supplanting the Kingdom of Darkness. He began to gather around him his followers, simple fishing folk and others, spending most of his time in the area around the north shore of the Kinneret (Sea of Galilee). among the Jews of this Jewish area. He was bringing in the Messianic Kingdom to those who would understand it best, the Jews. But all the time, there was burning within him the knowledge that the blessings of Abraham would be extended, according to the promise, to all the peoples of the earth, the Gentiles, and there would be a new Kingdom, a new nation, transcending both Jews and Gentiles, the Kingdom of the people of God the Heavenly Father. He began his forays then into gentile areas, Phoenecia, the Decapolis, and other locales, and finding faith there such as he had not found "even in Israel".

A crossroads occurred, then, in the choice of Jesus, and consequently in the options of his disciples. It occurred in the Tetrarchy of Philip, at the foothills of Mt. Hermon, at the town of Caesarea Philipi. He knowing who he was, would force the question upon others - "Who do people say Me to be?". From the lips of Shim'on, whom he would call Peter, as leader of the others, He would hear - "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God!" It was enough. Jesus would then begin imparting to them what the nature of His mission to be - not to expel the Romans from the Holy Land, but to go to Jerusalem, to be betrayed, to be spurned and rejected by the High Priests and the Elders of the People, to be hung on a Roman cross at the hands of the Gentiles, to die. Casesarea Philipi was in between, on one hand, Gentile pervaded Roman Tiberius to the southwest of the Sea, and on the other hand, anti-Roman nationalistic and zealotic Gamla to the north east of the Sea. (This latter would end their rebellion against Rome by suicide on Matzada in 73 A.D). Those two polarities were present in the minds of the disciples and Jesus began, on one hand, to divest from their minds the one, the warrior role of the Messiah against the Romans, and the other, to renew their thinking and their commitment to Him as the self sacrificing Lamb of God, the Prince of Peace and the true Messiah of Israel, on the other hand.

This took place on the long 3 or 4 day journey by foot from Galilee to Jerusalem, along the [[Jordan River]] valley, coming to Jericho, ascending to Jerusalem from the east. It was in Jerusalem that he prepared and settled the matter for the perpetuation of the Church at the Lord's last supper of the Passover, to be made palpable later by the descent of the Holy Spirit. It was in Jerusalem, in the Garden of the Oil Press, that what He had been lead to believe about his mission and the meaning and manner of his death was fully embraced and accepted with no reservation or turning back. "Your will be done, Father, if there is no other way", and "There is no other way, Your will be done Father!" It was a perfect decision and commitment, perfecting his life to be a perfect sacrifice. And it was to the west just outside Jerusalem that His teachings came to a concretization and realization on the cross. And just outside of Jerusalem that His Father would vindicate him by raising him from the dead.

"No man takes my life from me. I have power to take it and I have power to lay it down... I lay down my life for the sheep." <ref>Bible, Gospel of John, 10:18,15 http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KjvJohn.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=10&division=div1</ref>

"Though He was in the form of God, He did not think equality with God something to grasp onto. But He emptied Himself and took to Himself the form of a servant and was made man, And being found in the form of a man, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the Cross. For this reason, God has exalted Him..."<ref>Bible, Philippians 2:6-9a, http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KjvPhil.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=2&division=div1 </ref>

===Morality===
The fundamental principle in Christian moral teaching is love and forgiveness, as expressed by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ and the New Testament. Jesus summarized his teachings in two commandments from the Old Testament:

"'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." ([[Gospel of Matthew|Matthew]] 22:37-39; [[Book of Deuteronomy|Deuteronomy]] 6:5; Leviticus 19:18)

Constant debate has resulted as to how a person should express love for God in their moral behavior. This moral dialogue found expression in the New Testament, where the [[Apostle Paul]] addressed such controversies as [[circumcision]] ([[Epistle to the Romans|Romans]] 2:25-29), eating meat that was sacrificed to [[pagan]] deities (1 Corinthians 8), speculating about myths and genealogies (1 Timothy 1:3-5), and observing ceremonial dates and seasons (Galatians 4:9-11).

Regardless of a person's ethical interpretations, adherents commonly point to New Testament passages John 3:16 and 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 as scriptural depictions of love. The former states that <blockquote>"God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."</blockquote> The latter characterizes love, saying <blockquote>"Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."</blockquote>

Jesus Christ affirmed, "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." (John 13:35)

In trying to understand the reason for the growth of Christianity in a pagan culture, it has been noted that while love of one's neighbor is not an exclusively Christian virtue, it appears that the primitive Christian church practiced it much more effectively than any other group.<ref>E.R. Dodds, 1970:136-137</ref>

In addition to sacrificially showing care for those within the community as well as to those without, (cf. Gal. 6:10) the Christians elevated the sanctity of life, opposing abortion, infanticide, child abandonment, suicide, and gladiatorial contests.<ref>Kenneth Scott Latourette, ''A history of Christianity'' p. 244</ref><ref> Ted Cabal, Chad Owen Brand, Paul Copan, The Apologetics Study Bible, 274 </ref> While the primitive church tolerated the existing and pervasive cultural economic institution of slavery in the [[Roman Empire]], the mandate of equal pay and just treatment (Col. 4:1; Eph. 6:9) greatly ameliorated the treatment of slaves, while advising them to seek freedom if possible, (1Cor. 7:21) and requiring that the escape slave Onesimus be received back not "as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved". (Philemon 1:6) The Christian ethos of love also motivated a great expansion in the building of hospitals.<ref>Albert John Ochsner, Meyer Joseph Sturm, ''The organization, construction and management of hospitals'', p. 17</ref><ref>Roderick E. McGrew, ''Encyclopaedia of Medical Care'', p. 135</ref> By 500 A.D., most large towns in in the Roman Empire had erected them.<ref>George D. Pozgar, ''Legal aspects of health care administration', p. 2</ref>

===The Atonement of Jesus on the Cross===
[[Image:Dalí The Christ of St. John of the Cross.jpg|thumb|The Christ of St. John of the Cross by [[Salvador Dalí]], 1951.]]
All Christians believe with the New Testament that the death of Jesus, along with His resurrection, is an indispensable proclamation of a crucial event for the reconciliation of lost sinners with God. There are three elements they see to understanding His death on the cross.

# Jesus having the knowledge that His path would lead to his own death, desired and willed that that take place, and persevered in that path though there was opportunity for Him to avoid it. Though there is ample recognition in the New Testament that others desired Him to die, and that the circumstances in which His path took him would bring Him to His end on earth, the mover of all these things was Himself and the will of the Father. "I have power to take my life and I have power to lay down my life. I lay down my life for the sheep."
# Jesus saw that in His death there would be a way for people to be brought back to the God from whom they were alienated and lost because of their sins. This would involve a substitution of Himself to effect that way. "For the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve and give His life as a ransom for many." How this would take place was not new to the Jews of His day from their understanding of contemporary everyday practice of substitute payment - as in redemption of the first-born (Pidyon Ha Ben), or in the understanding of what aggadic stories such as the Binding of [[Isaac]] implied (see [[Midrash]]), but it was not the prevalent view that the Messiah was to be that payment. Though while alive on earth, he had hinted at it in sayings such as "unless a seed falls and dies, it remains alone, but when it dies, it brings forth..", it was only after He had risen from the dead that He explained Scripture (the Old Testament) clearly about the necessity of His death to have taken place. The disciples would henceforth preach, and Peter among them, that the death of Jesus the Messiah and His resurrection was for-planned and for-ordained by God the Father, and foretold in the Scripture (Isaiah 53). And so, "The Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God".
# It was the belief in Scripture, that in His death a way back to God was made possible for those that were near to God—the Jews. And a way back to God for those that were far away—the Gentiles. That is why the New Testament saw in the requirements of God for Israel a fulfillment in Jesus the Messiah. He was the perfect Israel, taken out of Egypt, to redeem Israel. And that is why the New Testament saw in Jesus, a deepness to the incarnation of the Son of God, deeper than just a Jew of His time of a certain tribe. He was the "Second Adam" to redeem the sons of Adam. This encompassing perspective had further implications.

Christians of all generations have looked to the perfect Atonement, and the hope for reconciliation, accomplished by Jesus on the cross, to provide the means of understanding the solution to the vexing problems of the mind and of life itself - How can I make reconciliation with my enemies, with even the members of my own family, of race with race and people with people?; Does His death for the sins of the world include those who only partially understand, for the baby aborted, the feeble minded, and severely retarded?; For those who have never heard of Jesus, never been "enlightened", distant and remote in place and time?; Does His death for the sins of the world also include a remedy for the ills that have come as a result of those sins—certain sicknesses, ills of the mind, body and the soul? Do they "hold" for today?; Does His death make good, turn to the better, show the way, effect the way, of the illnesses that have befallen the world, not only by sin, but simply by the circumstances of life, of degeneration, of compounded dysfunction? How does the fruit of His death bring in somehow the Kingdom "among us"?

The death of the Son of God on the cross has provided the solution for sin, and it still holds its sway over the imagination and aspirations for the people of our generation.

===Salvation===
The Bible teaches that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). This is often interpreted to mean that everyone has displeased God and is now separated from him in a kind of alienation and enmity that results from the fundamental conflict between selfish human interests and God's interests (Romans 8:5-8; James 4:4).

However, Jesus offered a solution to this Biblical dilemma in that by repentance of sins and faith in him (Jesus), their sins would be forgiven. He said that "...the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins." ([[Gospel of Mark|Mark]] 2:10) Jesus also said, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Mark 2:17, and "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men" (Mark 2:28)

Jesus Christ taught that "unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" ([[Gospel of John|John]] 3:3). Protestant Evangelical Christianity often use the terms "saved" and "born again" interchangeably. Other Christians, notably the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church use the phrase ''born again'' as a synonym for [[baptism|baptized]]. "Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

Christians are expected to continue living by Christ's teachings (John 8:31), as is appropriate for "children of Light" (Ephesians 5:8-10). Some believe that this is necessary in order to stay saved. However, this is a common misconception of the text. It is rather referring to proving that one is a child of God by their "fruit" (things that they do and how they behave). Christians in the Reformed tradition (following the teaching of the 16th century French lawyer [[John Calvin]], as well as the faith outlined in the Belgic and Heidleberg Confessions) say that salvation is irrevocable and that it cannot be lost, if it were genuinely part of one's life to begin with. Reformed Christians (often called [[Calvinists]]) often point to Romans 8:38-39 as validation of their belief: "For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38-39; [[NASB]]). According to Calvinists, the reason it cannot be lost by natural things is because salvation was obtained through a supernatural being, namely Jesus Christ. This does not negate Jesus' human side, only that he was both one-hundred percent God and one-hundred percent man, according to the [[Council of Chalcedon]] (A. D. 451). The Bible also makes it clear that mankind cannot earn their salvation, and that it is a free gift.

== Resurrection of Jesus Christ ==
[[Image:Jesus resurrected.jpg|thumb|left|200px|"The Resurrection" by Carl Heinrich Bloch]]
The [[Resurrection of Jesus Christ|resurrection of Jesus Christ]] is critical to the Christian faith. The Apostle Paul wrote, "if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain" (I Cor:15:14). Traditionally, Christianity has believed in a physical resurrection of Jesus Christ.<ref>http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/crj0056a.txt</ref>

In recent history Gary Habermas is considered the foremost [[Christian apologetics|Christian apologist]] for defending the resurrection of Jesus.<ref>Habermas, Gary, [http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/dialog_rexperience/dialog_rexperiences.htm Experiences of the Risen Jesus: The Foundational Historical Issue in the Early Proclamation of the Resurrection], ''Dialog: A Journal of Theology'', Vol. 45; No. 3 (Fall, 2006), pp. 288-297.</ref><ref>"Wildcat" and Holding, J.P., [http://www.tektonics.org/books/lichabrvw.html Book review of "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus"], 22nd June, 2004 (Tektonics)</ref><ref>Habermas, Gary, [http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/NTeSources/NTArticles/CTR-NT/Habermas-Resurrection1-CTR.pdf Jesus' Resurrection and Contemporary Criticism: An Apologetic] ''Criswell Theological Review'' 4.1 (1989) 159-74.</ref><ref>Habermas, Gary, [http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/crj_explainingaway/crj_explainingaway.htm Explaining Away Jesus' Resurrection:
The Recent Revival of Hallucination Theories], Christian Research Journal / vol. 23, no. 4, 2001.</ref><ref>Habermas, Gary, [http://www.apologetics.com/default.jsp?bodycontent=/articles/historical_apologetics/habermas-nt.html Why I Believe The New Testament Is Historically Reliable] (Apologetics.com)</ref>
Other notable defenders of the resurrection include: [[William Lane Craig]],<ref>Craig, William Lane, [http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/menus/historical.html Articles: Historical Jesus]</ref> [[Lee Strobel]], [[Josh McDowell]],<ref>McDowell, Josh, [http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html Evidence for the Resurrection], 1992.</ref> [[Edwin M. Yamauchi]],<ref>Jamauchi, Edwin M., [http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/yama.html Easter: Myth, Hallucination, or History?]</ref> [[N.T. Wright]]<ref>Wright, N.T., [http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Early_Traditions.htm Early Traditions and the Origins of Christianity], ''Sewanee Theological Review'' 41.2, 1998.</ref> and [[Michael Horner]].<ref>Horner, Michael, [http://www.michaelhorner.com/articles/resurrection/index.html Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead?]</ref>

===The Meaning of the Resurrection for Christians===

The Fact of the Resurrection of Christ is a key element of the preaching of the message about Jesus and an essential of Christian belief. But there are also certain effects that this belief has on the lives of believers.

1. It is because Jesus rose from the dead, that believers now can resort to a living Savior to help and deliver them from sin and from situations overwhelming for them by their own powers.

2. The New Testament sees in the resurrection of Christ a certain vindication of what apparently to the world and to all beings was a failure and an overcoming of Him by His crucifixion. He was "declared to be the Son of God" by His resurrection. This brings believers in Him to a strong confidence in the determined power of God to both vindicate in their own lives and to bring His reign upon earth.

3. The coming of Jesus back to life means to the believer that, indeed, their sins are totally forgiven. This is because believers know that His death was as a payment for sins - a "wage of death" for our sins that He received in our stead. If He remained dead, believers would know that the wage had not been fully paid. His resurrection, carries with it our knowledge that our sin with its attendant death has been totally and finally paid for.

4. It is a now living Savior that Christians know can go before them, can closely lead them through life - as He did when He was on earth. This makes following Him practical and real.

5. The New Testament reveals that it is the Risen Christ who received from the Father the Holy Spirit and He, through Himself ascended to the Father, has given the Holy Spirit to us. This gives the believer in Christ both the knowledge and the power to live a godly life, and live a life that can be an intimately and personally directed one.

6. The resurrected Christ was no mere reassembling of the molecules and particles of the Body that had been crucified. It was, indeed, a physical body, but one that was fully under the Spirit's control, guidance, and empowerment. It was a "spiritual body". Christians know that likewise, they will one day be granted the nature of a spiritual body, and full of health. They therefore are full of hope and consolations, and consider that even now in this life, there is an overcoming through Him, a restoration, and that tears, even now, are wiped away.

== Evangelism ==
In what is called the [[Great Commission]], Jesus sent his disciples out into the world to preach the Gospel (literally "good news") and make disciples.
:'''Great Commission'''
:''But the eleven disciples proceeded to [[Galilee]], to the mountain which Jesus had designated. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in [[heaven]] and on [[earth]]." Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the [[#God the Father|Father]] and the [[#God the Son|Son]] and the [[#God the Holy Spirit|Holy Spirit]], teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."'' --[[Gospel of Matthew|Matthew]] 28:16-20 [[New American Standard Bible|NASB]]

[[Image:Gleyre The Departure of the Apostles.jpg|thumb|240px|The Departure of the Apostles by [[Charles Gleyre]].]]
 

==History of the name "Christian"==
The early Christian faith was sometimes called ''That Way'', (Acts 19:1,9,23; 24:22) and the church its adherents were also called ''Nazarenes'', (Acts 24:5) evidently after the city of [[Nazareth]] where Jesus lived. Probably close to A.D 50 the [[Acts of the Apostles|Book of Acts]] (Acts:11:26) records that "the disciples were called Christians first in [[Antioch]]." The title ''Christian'' is also used in Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16, and likely is referred to in James 2:7, "Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?"

==Early Church: Community and Commitment==

The Bible records that that at least initially, the church was a single organic community, in which

:they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. {43} And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. {44} And all that believed were together, and had all things common; {45} And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. {46} And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." "And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common."(Acts 2:42-47; 4:32)

This community was soon "scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles" due to determined persecution, which resulted in the dispersed disciples going "every where preaching the word." (Acts 8:1,4)

Other evidence indicates believers had their own houses and goods. (Acts 10:6; 16:14,15,40; 21:8; 1Cor. 11:22; 1Tim. 6:17; Philemon)

Early ecclesiastical writer and leader Tertullian (A.D. 160 -220), in his ''Apology'' (response to pagan charges) in describing the early church community (197 A.D.) stated,

:We are a body knit together by one faith, one discipline and one hope. We meet together as a congregation, uniting together to offer prayer to God. We pray for the emperors and all in authority, for the welfare of the world, for peace and for the delay of the final end. We read our holy scriptures to nourish our faith, hope, steadfastness and good habits. We hear exhortations and rebukes. We take such judging very seriously – as befits those who believe they are in the sight of God – especially seriously when anyone sins so grievously we have to cut them off from our prayer, our congregation and all sacred things. Our elders preside over us, obtaining that honor not by money, but by their established character. There is no buying and selling in the things of God. Though we have a fund, but not because people can buy religion. Once a month, anyone who wants to makes a small donation – but only he who is able and willing; there is no compulsion. It is not spent on feasts, but to support and bury poor people, to provide for orphans, the elderly old persons, victims of shipwreck and those in prison for their faith.<ref>Defense by Tertullian (39), Trans. Rev. S. Thelwall. Modernized, abridged and introduced by Stephen Tomkins. Edited and prepared for the web by Dan Graves.</ref>

Pliny the Younger, the Roman governor of Pontus & Bithynia (northern Turkey) from A.D. 111-113, reporting to emperor Trajan of Christians, whom such pagan rulers found intolerable, wrote,

:...in the case of those who were denounced to me as Christians, I have observed the following procedure: I interrogated these as to whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a third time, threatening them with punishment; those who persisted I ordered executed. For I had no doubt that, whatever the nature of their creed, stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished. There were others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.

:... Those who denied that they were or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me, offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed Christ--none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be forced to do--these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years, some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.

:They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food--but ordinary and innocent food.<ref>Pliny the Younger Letters, 10.96 </ref>

==Also See==
[[Image:Orthodox churches icon artwork.jpg|thumb|Orthodox Church's icon artwork.]]
'''Denominations or branches of Christianity'''
*[[Roman Catholic Church]]
*[[Orthodox Church]]
*[[Protestantism|Protestant]]
**[[Amish]]
**[[Baptist]]
**[[Church of England]] or ''Anglican Church''
**[[Episcopal Church in the United States of America]] (or ''Episcopal Church'' or ''Episcopalians'') (Non-UK branch of the Anglican Church)
**[[Evangelical Christianity]]
**[[Fundamentalism]]
**[[Liberal Christianity]]
**[[Lutheran]]
**[[Mennonite]]
**[[Methodist]]
**[[Pentecostal]]
**[[Plymouth Brethren]]
**[[Presbyterian]]
**[[Seventh-day Adventist]]

'''Disputed'''
*[[Christian Science]]

'''Other articles'''
*[[Aramaic Church]]
*[[Cathedral]]
*[[Catholicism]]
*[[Christian apologetics]] (Defense of Christianity)
*[[Christianity and Science]]
*[[Church]]
*[[Conservative Christianity]]
*[[Eucharist]]
*[[Evangelical Apostolic Church of North America (Syro-Chaldean)]]
*[[Jesus Christ]]
*[[Judaism]]
*[[New Testament understanding through the Jewish perspective]]
*[[Passover Seder]]
*[[Persecution of Christians]]
*[[Red-letter Christian]]
*[[Sign of the Cross]]
*[[Essay: The Way of Salvation]]

==Further reading==
===Encyclopedias===
* Bodensieck, Julius, ed. ''The Encyclopedia of the Lutheran Church,'' (3 vol 1965), ECLS perspective
* Brauer, Jerald C. ''The Westminster Dictionary of Church History'' (1971), 880pp
* [http://newadvent.org/cathen/index.html ''The Catholic Encyyclopedia'' (1907-1913)], old but highly detailed and online
** '' New Catholic Encyclopedia'', edited by the Catholic University of America, 17 vol. 1967-1979.
*Cross, F. L., and E. A. Livingstone, eds. ''The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church'' (3rd ed. 1997), 1840pp; [http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-Dictionary-Christian-Church/dp/0192802909/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b excerpt and text search]; online at [[OUP]]
* Elwell, Walter A., ed. ''Evangelical Dictionary of Theology‎'' (2001) 1312 pages; articles by over 200 Evangelical or Fundamentalist scholars
*Hastings, Adrian et al. eds. ''The Oxford Companion to Christian Thought'' (2000) 808pp; 600 articles by 260 Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox scholars; [http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0198600240/ref=sib_dp_pt/105-4292297-2766841#reader-link excerpt and text search]; online at [[OUP]]
*''New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge'' (1911), ), major sources of older scholarly articles; mainline Protestant perspective
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc01.toc.html Vol. 1: Aachen - Basilians]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc02.toc.html Vol. 2: Basilica - Chambers]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc03.toc.html Vol. 3: Chamier - Draendorf]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc04.toc.html Vol. 4: Draeseke - Goa]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc05.toc.html Vol. 5: Goar - Innocent]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc06.toc.html Vol. 6: Innocents - Liudger]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc07.toc.html Vol. 7: Liutprand - Moralities]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc08.toc.html Vol. 8: Morality - Petersen]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc09.toc.html Vol. 9: Petri - Reuchlin]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc10.toc.html Vol. 10: Reutsch - Son]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc11.toc.html Vol. 11: Son of Man - Tremellius]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc12.toc.html Vol. 12: Trench - Zwingli]
**[http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/encyc13.toc.html Vol. 13: Index]

===Histories===
*Briggs, J. H. Y., Robert D. Linder, and David F. Wright. ''Introduction to the History of Christianity: First Century to the Present Day'' (2006) [http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-History-Christianity-Century-Present/dp/0800638123/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200823548&sr=8-4 excerpt and text search]
*Gonzalez, Justo L. '' A History of Christian Thought: Volume 1: From the Beginnings to the Council of Chalcedon'' (2nd ed. 1987); [http://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Thought-Beginnings-Chalcedon/dp/0687171822/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200823941&sr=8-1 excerpt and text search vol 1]; ''A History of Christian Thought: Volume 2: From Augustine to the Eve of the Reformation'' (2nd ed. 1987) [http://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Thought-Augustine-Reformation/dp/0687171830/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200823941&sr=8-3 excerpt and text search vol 2]; ''A History of Christian Thought: Volume 3: From the Protestant Reformation to the Twentieth Century'' (1987) [http://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Thought-Protestant-Reformation/dp/0687171849/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200808706&sr=8-12 excerpt and text search vol 3]
*Horsley, Richard A. ''Christian Origins: A People's History Of Christianity, Vol. 1'' (2006), 318pp [http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Origins-Peoples-History-Christianity/dp/080063411X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200886474&sr=1-2 excerpt and text search]
*Latourette, Kenneth Scott. ''A History of Christianity'' (2 vol 1975) [http://www.amazon.com/History-Christianity-Beginnings-1500-Revised/dp/0060649526/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200823548&sr=8-1 excerpt and text search vol 1, to 1500], by leading Baptist scholar
*Latourette, Kenneth Scott. ''A history of the expansion of Christianity'' (7 vol 1939-1970), monumental history of missionary work worldwide
*MacCulloch, Diarmaid. ''The Reformation'' (2005), influential recent survey [http://www.amazon.com/Reformation-Diarmaid-MacCulloch/dp/014303538X/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200808706&sr=8-2 excerpt and text search]
*McGonigle, Thomas D., and James F. Quigley. ''A history of the Christian Tradition: From Its Jewish Orgins to the Reformation'' (1988); ''A History of the Christian Tradition, Vol. II: From the Reformation to the Present'' (1996) [http://www.amazon.com/History-Christian-Tradition-Vol-Reformation/dp/0809136481/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200808706&sr=8-15 excerpt and text search vol 2]
*Pelikan, Jaroslav. ''Christian Tradition: A History of the Development of Doctrine'' (5 vol 1975-91) [http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Tradition-Development-Doctrine-Medieval/dp/0226653757/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201083460&sr=8-1 excerpt and text search v. 3, 600 AD -1300]]; [http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Tradition-Development-Reformation-1300-1700/dp/0226653773/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201083460&sr=8-4 excerpt and text search vol 4, 1300-1700]; [http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Tradition-History-Development-Doctrine/dp/0226653803/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201083460&sr=8-3 excerpt and text search vol 5, 1700-present] This is the standard history of Christian doctrine.
*Ward, Keith. ''Christianity: A Beginner's Guide'' (2008), 195pp

===United States===
* Ahlstrom, Sydney E. ''A religious history of the American people‎'' (1979) 1192 pages; classic history from broad perspective [http://books.google.com/books?id=5kFF6a1viGcC&dq=inauthor:ahlstrom&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=30&as_brr=0&as_pt=ALLTYPES excerpt and text search]
* Balmer, Randall. ''Encyclopedia of Evangelicalism'' (2nd ed. 2004), 655pp
* Lippy, Charles H. and Peter W. Williams, eds. ''Encyclopedia of the American religious experience: studies of traditions and movements'' (3 vol 1988) 1872 pages; standard reference work; long essays by scholars
* Noll, Mark A. '' A history of Christianity in the United States and Canada‎'' (1992), by leading Evangelical historian [http://books.google.com/books?id=VGF3wbzzy9QC&dq=intitle:christianity+inauthor:noll&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=30&as_brr=0&as_pt=ALLTYPES excerpt and text search]
* Queen, Edward L. et al, eds. Encyclopedia of American Religious History'' (3rd ed. 2 vol. 2009) 1200pp
* Reid, Daniel G. et al. eds., ''Dictionary of Christianity in America'' (199)
* Wooley, Davis C. ed. '' Encyclopedia of Southern Baptists‎'' (5 vol 1958-19820; 2565 pages

==References==
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==External Links==
*[http://www.aim.org/wls/category/christians/ What Liberals Say - Category: Christians], [[Accuracy In Media]]

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'''Kangaroos''' are the largest [[marsupial]]s alive today. Excluding specimens sent overseas, they are only found on the continent of [[Australia]] apart from some species in some areas of [[Papua New Guinea]]<ref>[http://www.dfat.gov.au/facts/kangaroos.html Australia's kangaroos], Australian Government Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.</ref>. There are at least sixty-nine [[species]] of kangaroo <ref name="kangbio">[http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/trade-use/wild-harvest/kangaroo/biology.html "Kangaroo Biology"], Australian Government</ref>, which include [[wallabies]] and tree-kangaroos.

==Description==

Kangaroos have large ears on top of their small heads, a long snout, and short arms with clawed fingers. Their legs are strong, powerful, and are made for leaping. Their feet have four toes at the end of elongated metatarsi that they rest on when standing. They also have a powerful, thick tail that is used as support when standing, a third-leg when walking slowly, and for counterbalance while leaping. Like all Marsupials, female kangaroos have a pouch on their stomachs in which they carry their young.

===Diet===

Kangaroos are [[herbivore]]s, eating grass, roots, and shrubs. They have a chambered stomach similar to [[sheep]] and [[cattle]]. They are able to regurgitate their food, chew it again as [[cud]], and then swallow it for digestion.

===Social Order===

Kangaroos travel in [[mob | mobs]] of about ten or more males and females. The leader of the mob, called a "boomer", is a male determined by age and size. The boomer has access to females in his mob for mating and will wander around the mob intimidating any other males who try to mate with his harem.

===Reproduction===

Female kangaroos usually only have one baby kangaroo (called a "joey") at a time. The newborn joey weighs as little as 0.03 ounces when first born, after which it crawls into its mothers pouch where it will nurse, grow, and develop. Red Kangaroo joeys will stay in their mothers pouch for about eight months and Grey Kangaroo joeys stay in there for about one year.

==Origins==

=== Creation science and Creationism===
Consistent with their view that the fossil record as a whole does not support the evolutionary position<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/fossils.asp "Fossils Questions and Answers"], Answers In Genesis</ref><ref>[http://members.iinet.net.au/~sejones/fsslrcrd.html Creation/Evolution Quotes: Fossil Record]</ref>, creationists state that there is a lack of transitional fossils showing an evolutionary origin of kangaroos. Rebecca Driver writes:

{{QuoteBox|The Macropod family is alleged to have evolved from either the Phalangeridae (possums) or Burramyidae (pygmy-possums)... However, there are no fossils of animals which appear to be intermediate between possums and kangaroos. ''Wabularoo naughtoni'', supposed ancestor of all the macropods, was clearly a kangaroo (it greatly resembles the potoroos which dwell in Victoria’s forests). If modern kangaroos really did come from it, all this shows is the same as we see happening today, namely that kangaroos come from kangaroos, "after their kind." <ref>Driver, Rebecca, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/755/ Kangaroos: God's amazing craftsmanship], ''Creation'' 20(3):28–31, June 1998.</ref>}}

According to the [[origins theory]] model used by [[young earth creation scientists]], modern kangaroos are the descendants of the two founding members of the modern kangaroo baramin that were taken aboard [[Noah's Ark]] prior to the [[Great Flood]]. It has not yet been determined by [[baraminology | baraminologists]] whether kangaroos form a [[holobaramin]] with the [[wallaby]], [[tree-kangaroo]], [[wallaroo]], [[pademelon]] and [[quokka]], or if all these species are in fact [[Baraminology|apobaramin]]ic or [[Baraminology|polybaramin]]ic.

After the Flood, these kangaroos, bred from the Ark passengers, migrated to Australia. There is debate whether this migration happened over land<ref name="cab17">[http://www.creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter17.pdf "How did animals get from the Ark to places such as Australia"], Chapter 17, of ''The Creation Answers Book'', by Don Batten (Ed.)</ref> with lower sea levels during the post-flood [[ice age]], or before the super-continent of [[Pangea]] broke apart.<ref>[http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2808 "Pangea and the Flood"], Apologetics Press</ref>.

===Evolution===
The [[Evolution|evolutionary]] view is that kangaroos and other marsupials evolved from a common marsupial ancestor which lived hundreds of millions of years ago.<ref>[http://www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEPC/WWC/1995/australia.html "Australian Mammals: Evolutionary Development as a Result of Geographic Isolation"]</ref>

===Dreamtime===
Some [[Australian Aborigines]] believe that kangaroos were sung into existence by their ancestors during the [[Dreamtime]].<ref>[http://www.painsley.org.uk/RE/signposts/y8/1-1creationandenvironment/c-abor.htm "An Aborigine Creation Story"]</ref>

== External Links ==
*[http://www.exzooberance.com/virtual%20zoo/they%20walk/kangaroo/kangaroo.htm Kangaroo facts]
*[http://www.christiananswers.net/kids/kangaroos.html Answers About Kangaroos]
*[http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/migration.asp How did animals get from the Ark to places such as Australia?]

== References ==
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Talk:Noam Chomsky

2009-09-15T01:32:03Z

JacobI: fixing the conversion to an hr, and adding (line breaking)

why do you keep reverting my edits, its not vandalism, its removing POV --[[User:UncleJalapeno4|UncleJalapeno4]] 09:11, 19 May 2007 (EDT)
::Noam's support for Hezbolla is not just an accusation, it's a fact.[[User:Jaques|Jaques]] 00:33, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Cite it --[[User:DemocraticSocialist|DemocraticSocialist]] 10:52, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Ok, i checked out the source, but it is pretty suspect. It has a strong right wing bias. How can we even be sure Chomsky said that. I've heard Chomsky denounce dictatorships of all political ideologies, and the only thing I've heard him say about the Khmer Rouge is why are they getting all the media attention while the Indonesian genocide is ignored. How is saying that supporting the Khmer Rouge. --[[User:DemocraticSocialist|DemocraticSocialist]] 11:01, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Well looks like you were right, Noam did meet with Hezbollah commanders, I'm dissappointed that Noam would speak with terrorists but just because he speaks with them doesn't mean he supports their brutal methods. Besides George Bush meets with Colombian president Uribe and the Saudi Arabian government and they are both terror states. --[[User:DemocraticSocialist|DemocraticSocialist]] 11:54, 20 May 2007 (EDT)
::Quite true. I don't understand why my (very measured) edits were deleted. It is a demonstrable fact that he does not support Hamas, nor did he support the Soviet Union, which he (again, in fact) described repeatedly as "a dungeon." He also, smaller point, identifies himself as a libertarian socialist, not an anarcho-syndicalist; perhaps that last bit is semantics, but still. --[[User:Keep_the_faith|Keep the faith]] 6:15, 22 May 2007 (EDT)
::::The terms `libertarian socialist' and `anarcho-syndicalist' are pretty much interchangable [[User:Michaelmuffin|Michaelmuffin]] 22:16, 29 September 2008 (EDT)
::::::That's not necessarily true, actually. Anarcho-syndicalism is a type of libertarian socialism, but libertarian socialism is not necessarily anarcho-syndicalism. Anarcho-syndicalism itself is typically only a component of a wider ideology, usually anarcho-collectivism or anarcho-communism, as it focuses on workers' liberation, while the wider philosophies of anarcho-collectivism and anarcho-communism focus on society as a whole. (There's a distinction between those two as well.) I don't remember exactly what type of libertarian socialist Chomsky is, though he's almost certainly an anarcho-collectivist or anarcho-communist, probably the latter. --[[User:Agnapostate|Agnapostate]] 18:47, 11 October 2008 (EDT)

== the agenda against Chomsky here ==

I've made a few edits. The only not so suspect piece is the one viz. his 2006 visit with Nasrallah. He explains it thus, as he wrote to me: "I visited Lebanon to give talks at the American U[niversity] of Beirut. While in Lebanon, I tried to meet as wide a range of leading figures as I could, along with popular groups, in order to learn something about the country, as I do everywhere, in fact as any sane person does who wants to learn something about a country and is not merely interested in repeating some Party Line. I therefore was pleased to be invited to speak to Nasrallah, the head of Hizbollah, and ... to be invited to Walid Jumblatt's Mukhtara, where I spent considerably longer time with him than with Nasrallah, including a meal... Jumblatt ... is not only one of the leading political figures in Lebanon, but also the most outspoken supporter of the US war in Iraq and the most outspoken opponent of Hizbollah."

The rest, excluding the more-or-less comments about his linguistic theory (of which I am mostly ignorant), is just slander. There is also no mention of his past involvement with Hashomer Hatzair, but apparently that doesn't fit the agenda here. I'm no fan of the idolatrous, unthinking adoration a lot of people have for him. All that is required is a fair representation, which is not provided; I made the edits, in a small way, to steer the article toward that standard.{{unsigned|Keep the faith}}

<nowiki>--------------</nowiki> YOU SUCK AT LINGUISTICS --------------- 
If you're going to criticize Chomsky's work, you may want to start calling it by its right name. "Genitive grammar" doesn't exist. There's a genitive case, but not a genitive grammar. You're thinking about the generative grammar.

According to you guys, Chomsky's work has been criticized because it's been done primarily in English. This is like saying an American sociologist's work is not worth looking at because he only studies sociology from an American perspective. Also, Chomsky's work has been applied to thousands of languages (all of the SOV/SVO/OVS/OSV/VOS/VSO types), so you were pretty much just wrong about that. I'm sorry I had to be the one to tell you.

Additionally, a lot of the UG boils down to things like implicational universals which have been statistically tested more rigorously than most scientific theories. If you don't know what these are, you probably shouldn't be arguing about linguistics.

Finally, Chomsky DOES make predictions about what is possible in a language. Have you even read any of his work or did you just cite one of his critics without even understanding who the guy was? Sampson is a joke to linguists. 
<nowiki>--------------</nowiki> YOU SUCK AT LINGUISTICS --------------- 
:Who you talking to? If you want your hypertext to get read, you can try being civil. If you think your qualified to speak on this subkect, you can establish yourself as something other than a troll. Meantime, so long sucka. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 15:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Feminist Bible

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JacobI: spelling error

The '''Feminist Bible''' refers to translations of the [[Bible]] that kow-tow to [[feminist]] ideology. These translations are contrary to the different roles of men and women set forth in the Bible, as in the [[Book of Genesis]] and the letters of [[Paul]]. These translations also distort the original text itself, not for purposes of clarity (as claimed) but for purposes of the non-Christian [[feminist]] agenda.

The most obvious feminist translations consist of inserting unisex, gender-neutral language to obscure differences between men and women. But there are additional significant feminist mistranslations that focus on:

*diluting recognition of the unborn child in the womb, in order to promote or defend abortion
*diluting passages, particularly by [[Paul]], concerning the wife's duties in marriage
*promoting equal, indistinguishable roles for men and women in Christian ministry <ref>Complementarians support the traditional complementary roles for men and women, and oppose the insistence on equal, indistinguishable roles.</ref>

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Revisions to the bestselling Bible, the [[NIV]], constitute a prominent example of this manipulation.<ref>[http://www.tbaptist.com/aab/nivfembible.htm The Feminist NIV]</ref> The new retranslation of the [[NIV]] lacks any self-described "complementarians" who support the differences between men and women, for example.<ref>"Moo declined to label any of the committee members as "complementarians' ...."[http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4357&Itemid=53 New NIV translation due out in 2011]</ref>

== Specific Examples ==

The term "womb" appears 80 times in the word-for-word translation of the [[ESV]], and eight of those references are in the first and second chapters of the [[Gospel of Luke]]. The [[NIV]] and [[TNIV]] resist translating that word literally, which has the effect of downplaying that the unborn child is a living human. For example, in Luke 1:15 the [[NIV]] version states, "... and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even '''from birth'''." Only in a footnote does it use the translation of the literal [[ESV]]: "... and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even '''from his mother's womb'''."

Grammatical errors creep into Feminist Bibles due to a reluctance to use the male pronoun, such that the plural, gender-neutral pronoun is used even when referring to only one person. For example, most recent English translations translate James 2:15-16: "If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to ''them'' ...."<ref>[[New American Bible]]</ref> But the "them" is grammatically incorrect but avoids using a gender-specific pronoun. The [[New Century Version]] translates that in a grammatically correct (but still awkward style) as "A brother or sister in Christ might need clothes or food. If you say to ''that person'' ...."

Examples of translations that have feminist tendencies are the [[New King James Version]], the [[Today's New International Version]] and, to a lesser extent, the [[Holman Christian Standard Bible]], the [[NIV]] and the [[New American Bible]].

In addition to the above, words that are disfavored by feminists and are targets for censorship or distortion by a Feminist Bible:

*girl
*unborn
*manly
*"dear lady" (2 John 1:5 - the [[Holman Christian Standard Bible]] and [[New King James Version]] drop the "dear", and [[The Message]] drops "lady" too)
*virgin
*the use of the exclusively feminine pronoun to refer to nations, boats, hurricanes, etc.
*the use of the exclusively masculine pronoun to refer to a person of unknown gender

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:Feminists don't like words which imply that there are innate differences between the sexes. This is odd, in light of Genesis 1:27 which says that men '''and''' women are made in the image of God. They are probably confused about human [[value]] and so have decided to slap the label ''equal'' on the sexes without making a distinction between "having just as much value" and "being exactly the same in character and ability".

:Likewise, feminists along with other liberals have a problem with the child-adult dichotomy: think Doonesbury comics, where the little girl in the daycare center celebrates a birth by saying, "It's a baby '''woman'''!" Children are just as valuable as adults, and to the parents who love them often more so. The real hope for ending the [[battle of the sexes]] is the cry heard on a sinking ship, "Women and children first!" Men will sacrifice their lives for those they love even more than their own selves. (As the Bible say, "Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for ...")

:If we love our children, even in the womb, then they have the same value as regular, air-breathing out-of-the-womb people who have been born already. The demand for a "right of abortion", right up to the last possible legally-allowed moment betrays an utter lack of love. Who would say, "I'm thinking of having an abortion" one day and "I love this baby with all my heart" the next? It's a sheer impossibility. People are not pets or "specimens of living tissue". Forget about the 'rights' aspect; think rather about Who loves us.

:Thus, feminism is anti-family. At its core is simply "me first, by myself" (with apologies to [[Carly Simon]]). If I get pregnant, oops, we can take a morning-after pill or get an abortion. After all, it's not a [[human]] life, just alien tissue growth (a foreign body). The problem with this approach is it makes it hard to answer the question, "When do I start loving my baby?" If it's only a [[fetus]] and not a [[boy]] until some arbitrary (legal) moment, then what is the basis for developing a parental heart towards my son? Do you start loving the baby when it's born, or when the umbilical cord is cut? How can you love a lump of tissue which, while composed of human cells, is nonetheless non-human?

:It really comes down to love. And we can love other people because God loves us first.

== References ==

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== See also ==

*[[Feminist style]]

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User talk:JacobI

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JacobI: /* RE: "Did you think you could slip by, Carl McKinney?" */

<big>'''This user has made 100 edits'''</big>

{{welcome|sig=--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 00:00, 6 September 2009 (EDT)}}

== The Game ==
:Haha I just lost the game!!--[[User:IScott|IScott]] 00:03, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks, I had forgotten about it until you just mentioned it. *goes to bed a loser of The Game* -=- [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:06, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== Reference ==
:Haha! you make me sound terrible in your "religious background" thing. xD I probably was. lol [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 20:57, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
::I didn't mean to convey you in such a way. You helped me realize some other things to.
::Almost all break-ups are "terrible", but that doesn't make the people "terrible". I was tired and being bitter when I wrote that. ...that's a poor excuse for writing those things too. Sorry. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 23:36, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Haha, that's ok, I probably was terrible. I can't remember but I remember being quite a mean person. I probably still am, who knows. Lol. Sounds like you've grown to be a much better person these years. Not that you were a bad one in the first place. [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 00:33, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::::I sure hope you're joking about that comment you made about yourself.
::::It's not that you were a terrible person, I think it's cause our personalities were too different for stuff to work out properly. Someone was more clued in about that and decided to tell you that before things got too out of hand. At least, that's what I tell myself. :P [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:41, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::The french on your main page burns my eyes. D-: Je ne comprehend pas cela... {{unsigned|PhyllisS}}
::::::I put it back to English, so you can understand what I was trying to say. Dx [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 14:48, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Oh, that would be "Je ne sais plus faire parler ou écrire en français." I think. Well, that translates to "I no longer know how to speak or write French", anyway. Don't know about the "proper" adjective... because "propre" in French has all these weird things, like if you say "mon propre chambre" it means "my own room"... or something. [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 18:25, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It's okay. You're better at French than I am. :D
::::::::I had no idea you were into Aerospace Engineering and inventing -- I always figured you would end up doing Electrical Engineering. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 22:54, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
==Reversion==
You reverted my edit on the [[Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil]]. Please provide justification. Thanks. --[[User:EMC|EMC]] 00:41, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:My justification is that your edit to [[Christianity]] was outlandish. Meaning, no good can come of your stay here. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:42, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::Please provide justification on the basis of my edit and tell me what the inaccuracy was. --[[User:EMC|EMC]] 00:45, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:::(EC) Citrus-bearing fruit..? I've only ever seen it as an apple tree in so many depictions. Also, God is incapable of sin because He is perfect, and lying is a sin. Adam and Eve did eventually die. Or did you not read that far into the Bible? [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:47, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Citrus fruits are not outlandish and your in'''sin'''uation that they are is unacceptable. Citrus fruits are a creation of god, and thus they are perfect and beautiful. Furthermore: Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it;''' for in the day that thou eatest thereof''' thou shalt surely die." 3:4-5 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." The serpent tells the truth. God doesn't say "eat of it and you'll surely die after nine hundred years of populating the plant." God gives the clear indication that if they were to eat of the tree, they'd die thereof. --[[User:EMC|EMC]] 00:57, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::You're making the assumption that He meant instaneously. If they never ate of the Fruit, then they would live on forever, just as the purpose of Heaven serves. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 01:04, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:::EMC is gone thanks for the heads up! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 01:11, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::::No problem, thanks for doing what I can't do. ...No one likes a troll. :D [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 01:15, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

== RE: "Did you think you could slip by, Carl McKinney?" ==

Did YOU think you could slip by, Kektklik? [[User:Wayne|Wayne]] 16:21, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:Eh? [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 09:25, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

User talk:Carltonm

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JacobI: too obvious. but I could be wrong

Did you think you could slip by, Carl McKinney? [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 15:24, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

User talk:JacobI

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JacobI: /* Reversion */

User talk:JacobI

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JacobI: /* Reversion */ time for me to go on RedBana Audi.. >.>

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JacobI: so many dalmatians

Democratic-Republican party

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JacobI: fixed redirection

#redirect[[Democratic-Republican Party]]

User talk:RJJensen

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JacobI: reason as to why

[[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:49, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your fascinating addition to [[Barack Obama]] re: financing. Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:26, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

== Welcome ==
Welcome indeed to CP! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 19:18, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::hey thanks! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:25, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

==China==
Chinese history would appear not to be your forte. How describing the fluctuating state of authority in the warlord period counts as 'red propaganda', I am at a loss to understand. Please don't cause damage to other Chinese history articles. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:03, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
:: Ah but I am fairly familiar with 20c Chinese history. the article was full of Red propaganda (not that particular example)--which is bad for a conservative encyclopedia. for examples:
#the very title, and many of the pinyin terms, are the ones created in the 1950s by Communists in Beijing, and not used at the time or by the anti-communists in Taiwan.
#" However, Chiang was aided by the 'Guangxi Clique' of nationally-minded warlords; and the northern progress of the expedition was aided by carefully-timed popular uprisings planned by the CCP against local warlords."
#" Chiang again turned on the communists in the 'Shanghai Coup'. Aided by the police of the International Settlement and the French Concession in the city, and by gunmen of the influential 'Green Gang' criminal network, Chiang's troops and police rounded up and executed hundred of communists and trade unionists"
# "that to build a strong China it was necessary to defeat communism first, to an increasing number of Chinese his attitude appeared capitulationist and unpatriotic."
[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:13, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

All those are established facts, however unpalatable some of them may be. At Conservapedia we deal in truth, not propaganda. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:16, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

In addition, it is a very bad idea to build up Chiang as a conservative ideal type. He was - to put it mildly - an unsavoury and unscrupulous thug, who was portrayed as a democratic leader in the west for the sake of wartime unity, and wwas later loyal to the US as he had no choice but to be so. He was the very opposite of loyal at other stages of his career: vide his flirtation with [[Nazism]], and his cavalier treatment of General Stilwell. In terms of opersonal morality, well.... suffice to say that his avowal of Christianity was purely opportunistic; he presided over a regime of brutality and corruption that alienated all potential allies; he was the sort of man who actually made Communism look like a desirable alternative. How bad do you have to be to do that? [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:22, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

::- ::No, you have to read some of the history. I actually worked through the books in the bibliography. For example, who cliams " to an increasing number of Chinese his attitude appeared capitulationist and unpatriotic." (answer: the far left). The story of the Nanchang uprising ("carefully-timed popular uprisings planned" is from Communist folklore as told to Edgar Snow in "Red Star over China", a notorous far-left book. As for Chiang's character, it is NOT white washed here. He was a rough character and I do not call him democratic. As for Stillwell, I think Chiang and Chennault were mostly right and Stillwell mostly wrong. (My articles on Stillwell and Chennault are coming soon--they are now both at Citizensium--take a look also atmy CBI article there. I have read the major studies for China in the 1940s.). Corruption--alas that is the history of China for the last 150 years, continuously (for example, don't feed your baby on Chinese formula--or feed your cat with their stuff. That is 2008 corrpution.
:::I too know a bit about that period - the Americans backed a loser in Chiang; and the real blame for the fall of China to communism lies with him - not with Service or Lattimore or any of the other John Birch Society bugaboos. Chiang was a late era warlord who used the KMT as a personal vehicle, and whose corruption and nepotism ruined the infant republic. There were better warlords for the west to have dealt with - Yan Xishan at least would have kept his hands out of the till - or Li Zongren. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:42, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
::::well everyone to his own warlord. Fact is Chiang came to power in 1920s and remained so to 1940 with zero American help. I think we agree the US policy to support China in order to defeat Japan was a fiasco (this was Stillwell's idea.) --More on this in my WW2 articles to come. I did not drop the conspiracy interpretation of the late 1940s which was in the article for a months or years.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:46, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::''well everyone to his own warlord'' hehe - I once attended a lecture by Jack Gray who was an ardent fan of Wu Peifu. I think his argument was that because he had no fixed territorial power base, this showed not that he had drawn the short straw geographically, but that it meant he was a truly 'national' leader rather than all those regionalist cliques, Zhang Zuolin in Manchuria, Feng in the north-west, etc. I thought it a dubious argument then and still do. But anyway... Chiang held power from the 20s to the 40s, but he certainly relied on Communist help both in 1925-27 (and he was plotted against as much as plotting, I have no doubt), and at the Xian incident. If the Young Marshal had had him put up against a wall, and seized power for himself, rather than bottling it.... [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:56, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
:::the happy fact (not yet in the article) is that he created a regime on Taiwan with far less corruption and it historically led to a pro-US nation with capitalism and democracy. As for Christianity, the issue was active persecution of the missionaries. Chiang's highly public conversion helped change the status of Christians and reduced the persecution they sufferedin 1930s. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 08:54, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

== Latino ==

Could we please talk about it before reverting? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 21:32, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
::Yes indeed--I have explained my edits. I fixed a several little grammar issues, enlarged the map to make it legible, expanded the caption. We don't want to illustrate a U.S. article with a Mexican coach in Spain. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:35, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

::: The image shows a latino, beening in the US or not he is a latino; it is illustrating the very first part of the article. It also shows that not all latinos are illegals or land workers. This is enough to have a place there. The map is much better where it was before according to the subject. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 21:43, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::get a better image. This person is a Mexican living in Spain. The map was to small to figure out. The article makes it very clear that only a minority of latinos are illegal[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:45, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

We use to lock the articles while in the Main Page. If you need to edit it, please let me know. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 07:00, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
::OK, no problem. I won't be working on it for a while. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:06, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== Warning ==

Please be more accurate in your edit summaries of "minor" edits. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 02:18, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
::sorry about that. I tried to change categories (Bryan was never a jurist) and the result was a bizarre edit I did not intend. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:40, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

== Newton ==

Hi, your calculus section in the [[Isaac Newton]] article had some conceptual errors in it -- I've rewritten the mathematics of this section appropriately. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 04:17, 3 November 2008 (EST)
::very nice job--thanks! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 08:25, 3 November 2008 (EST)

==National Socialist German Workers Party==

Just to let you know, I'm not interested in getting into an edit war here, but the listing of the Allies led by the US, Russia and Britain is inaccurate. The term Allies (for WWII) applies to all the countries that opposed the Axis powers, and that list included 21 countries or blocs before the US joined in 1941. Obviously the effort of the Allies had to be co-ordinated in the years between 1939-41 so the question of who led the Allies during WWII is, at best, not something that can be easily dispensed with a single sentence. Furthermore, saying that Russia was an member of the Allies is inaccurate, it was the USSR which was a member of the Allies, of which Russia was a part (an equivalent example would be if the sentence had read that .....by the Allies, led by Texas, Russia and Britain).

As a compromise I suggest: ......and was finally destroyed in [[World War II]] by the Allies, the major powers of which were the United States who led the Allied forces in Europe from 1941, the USSR (more commonly known as the Soviet Union) and Britain. [[User:Ieuan|Ieuan]] 22:03, 3/Nov/08 (GMT)
::the US joined the fighting in 1941 but had already been financing the war for both Britain and USSR, and was providing much of the munitions. Leadership also consists in setting strategy and policy which the US did--maybe 95% in the case of the war against Japan, 75% against Italy and say 40% in the case of Europe. As for the Soviets, they were Hitler's allies until June of 1941. You are right that USSR/Soviet is a better term than Russia. The debate should be on the article talk page, not here. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:42, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Copied the debate over to the talk page.

== ''Germania'' ==

I loved to read your article on the German Americans. Thanks for posting it! --[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 15:49, 5 November 2008 (EST)
::hey thanks! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:53, 5 November 2008 (EST)

== Roosevelt ==

Why are you deleting sourced material from this article? Remember that the removal of relevant, sourced material from Conservapedia is considered vandalism. Please do not try to insert your own [[opinion]] into articles by censoring [[facts]]. --[[User:Wikinterpreter|Wikinterpreter]] 14:05, 6 November 2008 (EST)
::the article is supposed to be about FDR and introducing red herrings hurts students. CZ rules clearly state: "Please note that all contributions to Conservapedia may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here." [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:18, 6 November 2008 (EST)

==[[Holocaust]] article==
The additions you placed in there now make that article repetative; things are said twice. It needs to be fixed so it runs smoothly. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:57, 10 November 2008 (EST)
::you're right and I will try to smooth it out. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:59, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Category Military history ==

Thank you for your work on the project. When we create categories we use capitalization so the category should be Military History. I would also recommend that if you do feel that category is important, that it covers a specifically defined area. Perhaps it should probably deal with overlying changes in tactics or doctrine that has guided military functioning that has had a profound impact. I would not use it for things like Wars or Battles which already have their own categories.

Thanks [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 17:32, 15 November 2008 (EST)
::thanks for the tip. I think the demand for article on military history is enormous--look at the very heavy emphasis at Borders and Barnes and Noble, for example. My college courses on military history attracted far more students than other history topics. Of course a specific topic may well overlap several categories. People will want to use our category pages as an index to what is available here. Discussions of tactics, strategy, technology and doctrine, for example, are often included in articles on specific wars. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:41, 15 November 2008 (EST)

== First Black President ==

Hello, please do not censor correct information in the [[First Black president]] article. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 10:49, 19 November 2008 (EST)
::what information was correct? it did not check out. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:04, 19 November 2008 (EST)

I notice you are a controversial editor who has never geneflected before Mr. Schlafly, and neither have you praised his wisdom and judgement in his fascinating revelation that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim. Are you a Muslim sir? [[User:MarkBaley|MarkBaley]] 22:57, 20 November 2008 (EST)
::well actually more of a Catholic (a graduate of Notre Dame University class of 1962).[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:01, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Are you more like Barack Obama, a [[Liberal]] who lies about his religion, and then subverts the office of the United States, and then deceives the American people and then institutes an Islamic Caliphate, giving control of our nuclear arsenal to Iran and Bin Laden? If this is what you are, then we are better off without you. [[User:MarkBaley|MarkBaley]] 23:05, 20 November 2008 (EST)
::well no--but I was hoping Biden would be president--as a Catholic he will bring the Pope over to straighten us all aout. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:12, 20 November 2008 (EST)

I would rather the pope as my slavemaster than Bin Laden! Obama will, any day now I'm sure, give the nuclear launch codes to all of our enemies - Bin Laden, Iran, Satan, Green Goblin, France - and introduce an Islamic Caliphate to our great and glorious nation! Heel before the almighty Schlafly, only his logic and truth can save the world from the dark precipice it has gotten itself under! Only the bright and free can be saved! [[User:MarkBaley|MarkBaley]] 23:16, 20 November 2008 (EST)

==English and UK categories==

Question for you at [[Talk:William the Conqueror]] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 08:26, 21 November 2008 (EST)

*Thanks for meeting me there, and now a question on ...

==World War II fatalities==

Thank for [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Japan&curid=11154&diff=564889&oldid=555832&rcid=615850 this addition]. I had simply assumed that every Japanes soldier who died in WWII was directly killed by the US and its allies. Except maybe an insignificant number of accidents - oh, and the suicidal heroics of the [[Kamikaze]].

If a soldier dies from starvation, I'd lay that death at the feet of the man who sent him out. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 10:01, 21 November 2008 (EST)
::I was also surprised at the numbers. I knew about the starvation on the isolated Pacific islands but was surprised at China numbers. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:10, 21 November 2008 (EST)

== Shays' Rebellion ==

I wander why the ''Block quote'' was deleted? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 19:19, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::it was too vague and did not add information to what was already covered regarding the impact of Shays' on the government. It took a left-wing approach that did not help any. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:28, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== The so-called Progressive Era? ==

*Sorry for removing a category you only created today, but CP likes to not make stand-alone narrow cats. Somehow we need an over-arching category to easily facilitate searches, and not just one per person. It might be easier to discuss adding categories somewhere, rather than just doing it.....or at least leaving a trail of bread crumbs for the less historically blessed to follow! :-D --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:57, 30 November 2008 (EST)
::I agree. We need a page on CP where technical issues can be discussed and conventions established. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:14, 1 December 2008 (EST)

== Additional privileges ==

Congratulations, you've earned the additional privileges of 24-hour editing, uploading images, and blocking others. Well done!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 09:53, 1 December 2008 (EST)
::hey thanks--I appreciate that! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 10:55, 1 December 2008 (EST)
:::Congrats. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 16:01, 1 December 2008 (EST)
::::Congratulations from me too. Well deserved! [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 05:41, 2 December 2008 (EST)

==Oz pic==
Just uploaded it for the article: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Image:Woz_movie.jpg] [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 17:12, 4 December 2008 (EST)
::thanks--the visuals are great. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 03:21, 5 December 2008 (EST)

== [[Barry Goldwater]] ==

I see some recent stretching to include people like Goldwater as libertarians. You are too good a historian to muddle the waters with throw-away lines such as "many of his later views were libertarian". Yes? So? Many of his views would, today, be considered near leftist as well. ''Historians need to resist revisionism''. In his time, by his own definition, Goldwater rejected libertarianism, and self-branded himself a conservative. Goldwater did not believe in abortion as a substitute for abstaining or birth control, nor did he support "abortion on demand". Many views held by even Ted Kennedy could be considered "conservative", but that hardly gives license to brand him one, or make the statement "some of his views are conservative", that would be misleading, IMO. --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 16:55, 5 December 2008 (EST)
:well I knew Goldater personally since 1958 and followed his career very closely. After 1980 or so he was libertarian on most social issues, while remaining conservative on defense and spending issues. In his heyday as a conservative leader (1960-64) he rarely mentioned social issues and they were seldom on the agenda. Here is what Bill Buckley said of Goldwater:
<blockquote>
''Conspicuous here was his defense of Supreme Court decisions involving abortion, gay rights, and the separation of church and state. Most followers of the senator were surprised, and abashed, especially at his defense of abortion.''[http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/wfb200412101327.asp from National RreviewDec10, 2004]</blockquote>
[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:01, 5 December 2008 (EST)

::*Ditto for me. My family were neighbors at the Balboa Bay Club in Newport Beach, CA, for several decades. But this is straw snatching, trying to paint the man as a libertarian, by a few high-profile pronouncements later in life, to somehow add cred to the libertarian cause. Find your own hero's, but kindly do not snatch our conservative ones! I do not disagree with showing, with cites, his later libertarian views (many of which I agreed with), but putting him, and others, with the help of another libertarian editor, into the libertarian category, and implying some "conversion" isn't being honest. --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 17:19, 5 December 2008 (EST)
::Conversion? well, I think Barry was always a libertarian but only became outspoken about it in the 1980s when social issues got high on the political agenda. When he was a leader of the conservative movement (1958-64) he rarely mentioned social issues of any kind--he never mentioned abortion, for example. (he did mention gays in 1964 in the Walter Jenkins scandal--a top LBJ aide was arrested during the election campaign-- but did not condemn it.) His libertarianism after 1980 was not a "few" statements it was his high profile fight to get O'Connor on the Supreme Court. He was at that time a very powerful Senator and his views are quite important. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:42, 5 December 2008 (EST)

::*We mostly agree. Just please don't go adding him to the libertarian category, or make it seem he was not a conservative. We are obviously near-contemporary, and no doubt share the acquaintanceship/friendship of many, it seems. However to use your friendship and personal assumptions as to what he was, absent of his repudiating being a conservative, is wrong and purely anecdotal. That is my only objection. --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 17:48, 5 December 2008 (EST)
:::I'm glad we agree. I was not the one who added the libertarian category. But he publicly announced his positions and angered a lot of Arizona conservatives by so doing. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:52, 5 December 2008 (EST)

:::::I well remember! We should have a libation one day and swap old stories. --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 17:58, 5 December 2008 (EST)
::::::I'll drink to that. I left Arizona this summer and we moved to Montana, but there's a bar and a casino on every corner here. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:01, 5 December 2008 (EST)

== [[French Revolution]] ==
Hey, I noticed you're doing a bit of work around this area, and as you seem to be the resident historian, I thought I'd volunteer my services here, so you're free to do other area's that need some touching up or expanding. If there's any articles or stubs in the French Revolution section that need to be fixed, just let me know. Thanks [[User:Bolly|Bolly]] 21:54, 8 December 2008 (EST)
::GREAT! we can use short articles on the major players and events. Suggestion use the facts from the online Columbia Encyclopedia at [http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/sitesearch?FILTER=col65&query=French+Revolution&x=0&y=0 Columbia Enyc srticles on French Rev.] -- it's very good. Be sure to summarize & rewrite the facts, not quote exactly. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 22:02, 8 December 2008 (EST)

:::OK I'll get right onto it. Thanks for the suggestion! [[User:Bolly|Bolly]] 22:05, 8 December 2008 (EST)

==Medieval Cats==
As the person who has probably edited more articles on medieval history in the last few months than all other editors put together (including six pages in the last hour or two, if I had been told that there was a new category for "Medieval history" I could have saved you a heckova lotta work.:) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:56, 26 December 2008 (EST)
::you're doing a great job and I've been trying to clean up all sorts of categories. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:58, 26 December 2008 (EST)
:::But are there any others I should know about? You see, on the 22nd I changed the cats of about 2 dozen English/British history entries. This new one could have been done at the same time. (And - just to let ''you'' know: I am thinking of starting a cat (sub-cat, whatever) for the "Wars of the Roses"....)[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 17:16, 26 December 2008 (EST)
::::what I did was go though all the articles in Category:European History and change the specific ones to specific countries, or eras. That cleans up European History and makes the other sub categories more useful. yes' War of Roses" car would be good idea [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:44, 26 December 2008 (EST)

== Invitation to join Wikiproject:News ==

RJJensen, since you have contributed a wanted page in the past, you are invited to [[Wikiproject:News#Members|sign up]] as a member of [[Wikiproject:News]]. <nowiki>[[Wikiproject:News/Guidelines|Review]]</nowiki> the Guidelines. Make your news suggestions <nowiki>[[Wikiproject:News/Suggestions|here]]</nowiki>. Add wanted pages [[Wikiproject:News/Wanted_page#Wanted_Pages_for_.22In_the_news.22_section_-_To_be_created|here]]. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 10:04, 28 December 2008 (EST)
::thanks for the invite; i just signed up. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:07, 28 December 2008 (EST)

==Dutch History==
RJ (if I may call you that), I see that you have replaced the material on Dutch fascism in the 1930s. I'm pleased that this was done under a separate heading, but I am still concerned that this gives a misleading impression of Dutch politics at the time (an analogy might be an assessment of American politics in the 1930s which only mentioned Charles Coughlin and the German 'Bund'). Would it be possible for you to give an overview of mainstream Dutch politics at this time, as even the NSB was a fringe organisation. As it stands, the article presents the Netherlands as a quasi-fascist nation. As the grandson of a Dutch patriot active in the resistance in the war years, this is extremely hurtful. I also altered the reference to liberation by Canadian troops to one recognising the role of all the allied forces - including my father, in the British Army. Thank you. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 08:50, 31 December 2008 (EST)
::Thanks for the note. My intention all along is to emphasize the fascists were a fringe group. I'll rework it again to make that clear and give more emphasis to what the main parties were up to (following the Kossman book).[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:48, 31 December 2008 (EST)
:::Thank you very much. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 12:37, 31 December 2008 (EST)

== Happy New Year! ==

{{cquote|'''Cheers to a new year and another chance for us to get it right!'''--Oprah Winfrey}}
--[[User:TK|'''₮K''']][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 23:24, 31 December 2008 (EST)

== Congratulations! ==

Congratulations on your promotion to Sysop (Admin) status! This gives you many new privileges. Well deserved!--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 23:42, 31 December 2008 (EST)

:Indeed! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 00:12, 1 January 2009 (EST)
Congrats RJJensen. I look forward to working with you this year. Now you can protect all the great images you upload. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 01:31, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::hey THANKS EVERYBODY--I promise that 2009 will be better than 2008. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 04:10, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:::Well done RJJensen, you have been a prodigious contributor here and the promotion is deserved. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 05:47, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::::and many congratulations (and happy new year!) from me too. I look forward to working even closer with you this year. --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''ohayougozaimasu'']] 06:23, 1 January 2009 (EST)

::::: Congratulations! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 09:05, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Congrats and Happy New year! [[User:AddisonDM]]

::::: Happy New Year!

:::::: Congratulations on your promotion! --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 13:13, 4 January 2009 (EST)

==Tuskegee==
They were real. Can I suggest an undelete minus the parody?--Jpatt 20:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::they were indeed real. They did not fight the Japanese. Booker T Washington died many years before. The article has to be redone from start, since all the "facts" in this version are now suspect. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:57, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::: Following Jpatt's suggestion, I wrote a new article. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 22:49, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::::Looks fantastic--Jpatt 23:13, 5 January 2009 (EST)
:::::thanks :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:53, 5 January 2009 (EST)

==US Civil War==

Thanks for your massive additions (like [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=American_Civil_War_homefront&curid=84224&diff=603647&oldid=603640 this one]). How do you find the time to do so much writing? --
::hey THANKS. It's retirement --I used to spend all that good time in committees. Now I just write. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 10:55, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Protecting images ==

I protected a number of images you uploaded (Image:Sherman2.jpg, Image:Weyrich.jpg, Image:1900HA.jpg, Image:~HANNA96.jpg). Please remember our policy of protecting all images. Thanks for your contributions to Conservpedia. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 11:42, 9 January 2009 (EST)
::thanks--I'll keep protecting them. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 03:19, 11 January 2009 (EST)

::: Thanks much for your insights. I've learned tremendously from them. However, as Dean says, it would be great if you could click "protect" at the bottom after you upload a new image, and then click on "Administrators Only" to give them the greatest protection. I just did that for your two most recent uploads. Thanks again.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:21, 12 January 2009 (EST)

== Third Party v Third Party System ==

Your opinion is sought! [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Third_Party_System#Merge.3F] --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:01, 13 January 2009 (EST)

== Democratic Governors category ==
There is already a [[:Category:Democrat Governors]]. If you are planning a move from that category to the new one, then please disregard this message. Otherwise, I wanted to catch you before you got halfway through. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 20:15, 28 January 2009 (EST)
::OK --it was my mistake (I have been trying to repair lost edits from the last week). [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:56, 29 January 2009 (EST)
:::Yeah, me too. I lost about 300 edits, including the lists of governors you were kind enough to add bibliologs to. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 11:36, 29 January 2009 (EST)

== Blago ==

I understand what your thinking is, RJ, but in this case you are too idealogical, and giving the liberals far too much credit. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:52, 29 January 2009 (EST)
::when we make serious allegations they have to be based on serious evidence or we are guilty of bearing false witness. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:50, 30 January 2009 (EST)

:::No,we are using plain old conservative common sense, RJ. The legislature didn't have evidence of anything, and until the United States Attorney presents his case in a Federal Court, and a jury convicts him, the will of the people should never be overturned by some legislature, based solely upon some contrived "disability" of being unpopular, having low poll numbers. If you don't want to cooperate, and accept the ruling of a senior administrator, so be it. But Mr. Schlafly has made his position crystal clear on this. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 01:14, 30 January 2009 (EST)
::::The rule throughout American history is that the legislature can impeach the executive for any reason. Conviction for crime is not necessary. What is the "will of the people"? The Founding Fathers were pretty clear that the will of the people resided in the legislature. My discussion with Schlafly was on an different issue; it had to do with the powers of the state supreme court to intervene (that is a moot question since it did not intervene).

== Economic Recovery Advisory Board ==

Is this an article you want to tackle, or perhaps have research or ancillary information on? --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 03:51, 7 February 2009 (EST)

:good idea. I just wrote [[Economic Recovery Advisory Board]]. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:50, 13 February 2009 (EST)

::Super! And I was just being nice making sure you could log in, never thinking once about this article I knew was needed....;-) Glad it worked out. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 01:27, 13 February 2009 (EST)

==Velikovsky==
Richard, I left a question for you on the [[Talk:Immanuel_Velikovsky|Velikovsky talk page]], regarding category tags. --[[User:Eric2009|Eric2009]] 08:36, 10 February 2009 (EST)

:I left another comment regarding yours, on the [[Talk:Immanuel_Velikovsky|Velikovsky talk page]], --[[User:Eric2009|Eric2009]] 12:25, 14 February 2009 (EST)

== Your edits to [[Scopes trial]] ==

Dr. Jensen, your recent edits to the [[Scopes trial]] delete important information and introduce unjustified statements, like calling the [[atheist]] and stridently anti-Christian [[H.L. Mencken]] a "cultural conservative." We can discuss further on [[Talk:Scopes trial]] if you like.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 08:40, 14 February 2009 (EST)
::Mencken is one of the most famous names in the history of American conservatism. He ignored the religious questions and ridiculed the backwoods types. That's true and important to know. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 08:42, 14 February 2009 (EST)

::: Mencken was one of worst anti-Christian bigots ever. It's indisputable and completely distorted his reporting on the Scopes trial. And it wasn't just Christians whom Mencken was bigoted against.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:01, 14 February 2009 (EST)
:::: all true enough but he was a cultural conservative and strongly influenced libertarian thinking against government--and many people's ridicule of the South. Bryan of course was the leading big government liberal of the 1890-1930 era, which made him Mencken's target.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 10:28, 14 February 2009 (EST)

This really should be discussed on the article's talk page, where I've just added my comments. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:15, 15 February 2009 (EST)

== Category: Naval Battles ==

I don't think that Horatio Nelson belongs in that category. He is an admiral, not a battle. [[User:DuncanB|Duncan]][[User talk:DuncanB|Channel 16]] 15:34, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::the article is what gets categorized, and the article talks about naval battles in an important way.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:35, 16 February 2009 (EST)

I am trying to figure out why Trafalgar didn't make it into [[:Category:Naval Battles]], at least not when I click on it.. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:36, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::well it certainly belongs! please add it. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:37, 16 February 2009 (EST)
:::What I was getting at was that although you had changed the cat to "Naval Battles", for some reason it wasn't showing up on the Cat. page. I deleted it on the Article then added it and it has now come up. A mystery. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:49, 16 February 2009 (EST)
:;::good job! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)

==Vandalism patrol==

RJ, thanks for your recent efforts to block vandals and undo their damage. I don't know why some people enjoy messing up other people's work. Maybe they are intellectually lazy. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 18:16, 17 February 2009 (EST)
::well at least we attact a better class of vandals than Wikipedia! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:28, 17 February 2009 (EST)

:::LOL, I think. ;-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 11:09, 18 February 2009 (EST)

==Criminals and folk heroes==

What about that [[Che Guevera]] guy? Why is it that people who say they care about the poor and the oppressed lionize (idolize, idealize) murderers like Che? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 11:14, 18 February 2009 (EST)

== Cartoon ==

That pork factory thingy is a nice cartoon, but I'm not sure about the "fair use". Wouldn't "fair use" be if we put the image in an article ''about the cartoon itself'', or in an article about a controversy caused by the image?

From the copyright office's website:

<blockquote>
“quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”
</blockquote>

I'm worried this might get the site into hot water.

Sincerely,
[[User:EMaurice|EMaurice]] 11:24, 19 February 2009 (EST)
::no educational use has ever gotten into any legal hot water by using items like this that have been posted on the internet for free. CP uses the cartoon to comment upon a current news event, which is a legally protected form of fair use according to Congress. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:41, 19 February 2009 (EST)

:::I'm not sure that the fact that no-one has been prosecuted for it means it's legal. If we go down that road, we'll be just like the bums who get into debt and then ask the taxpayer to help them, claiming they didn't know what they were doing. And as for using the cartoon to comment, how is that under fair use? Fair use would be for commenting about the cartoon itself. Every big newspaper has a free online section. Would the Washington Post accept the Washington Times copying one of their cartoonists? Do you see what I mean? Thanks, [[User:EMaurice|EMaurice]] 11:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)
::::Congress says that fair use applies to nonprofit educational use, and the courts have always agreed. The Washington Times is a commercial operation and different rules apply to them. (The worst case scenario is that the copyright owner asks us to remove the cartoon, and we do so.) Conservatives need to uphold their legal and constutional rights or they lose them. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:37, 19 February 2009 (EST)

== Parodists ==
It would seem we have two users in need of a lengthy block, and you appear to be the only one present with block rights. See Ed Poor's talk page please! [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 12:15, 21 February 2009 (EST)
::thanks for the heads-up. I'll be watching but so far I have not seen anthing more serious than a debate on chemistry. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:31, 21 February 2009 (EST)
:::The manganese edit was 100% wrong, so he's (KrisTree) a parodist. But everything which he's said about the other guy is actually pretty correct, and GFasten did indeed put up a stupid Bollywood video which was later reverted. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 12:34, 21 February 2009 (EST)
::::No the manganese edit was not 100% wrong (it is used in steel), and there is such a book as "Salters Chemistry". There may be errors but that is not the same as parody. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:37, 21 February 2009 (EST)

== The View From 1776...Tom Brewton ==

Presented for your inspection and consideration.....

* [http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/the_limitations_of_econometric_computer_models/ The Limitations of Econometric Computer Models]

* [http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/tooth_fairy_economics/ TOOTH FAIRY ECONOMICS]
--[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 06:42, 22 February 2009 (EST)
::Thanks-- I enjoyed reading that! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 08:51, 22 February 2009 (EST)

== Gibbs ==

Thank you, good Doctor! Whenever I read something where the basic, minimum essentials are missing, and people are already arguing over rather common political tricks, I see red. Thanks for jumping in, but let's not save the protagonists from having to do some due diligence as well, okay? --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 15:39, 3 March 2009 (EST)
::right! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:13, 3 March 2009 (EST)

== CENTRISTS CONCERNED ==

[http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/centrists_concerned/] It’s noteworthy that political moderates who supported President Obama in the election are worried that they may have been misled, that traditionalists’ forebodings may have been on the mark. Amazing! ;-) --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:31, 6 March 2009 (EST)
::thanks for the tip. I don't see a connection between Obama and the Social Gospel Movement myself, and the Socialists of 1910 (who included just ONE Social Gospeller, an obscure professor at Vassar) wanted to destroy the banks, not subsidize them. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:35, 6 March 2009 (EST)
:::Email Tom...he's a nice chap. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:43, 6 March 2009 (EST)

==Pearl Harbor edit==
Had to revert your edit to Pearl Harbor. The Air Force did not exist until 1947; prior to that it was the U.S. Army Air Corps. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 21:02, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
::the name was changed in 1941 -- before Pearl Harbor--to US Army Air Forces. There was no longer an "Air Corps". [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:48, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

== Can you add Obama's ignorant, disgusting joke to the front page news? ==

Joke here: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXcgpZwsBPY]. Obama apologist Olbermann's desperate plea to comedian Craig Furgeson(sp?) to find an excuse - any excuse - to allow Obama to get away with the joke here: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD0EcujFSn8]. Note that Craig immediately recognizes the joke for what it is and doesn't give the kind of answer Olbermann was hoping for. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 12:15, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

:On the [[Jay Leno]] show, Obama quipped that his bowling score of 129 was "like the [[Special Olympics]] or something". My question was whether he was putting himself down (i.e., being humble) in an innocent, lighthearted way - or whether (as his detractors are eager to say) he was making a derogatory reference to handicapped people. [[Craig Ferguson]] grimaced and called the reference "a misstep". --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 12:43, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
:*I read later that he called up the Special Olympics and apologized - even before the show aired. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 23:22, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
:::That's called "damage control." [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 14:38, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

::::Beating him up for a slip like that is called A "[[personal attack]]". I would rather we contributors focus on principles and facts than on personalities. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 14:55, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

==Stimulus bill==

Thank you for continuing to work with me. My text moves are not to be taken as Editorial Prerogative. Feel free to reverse my edits when they don't make sense. What I want to do is collaborate, to work together to improve the article. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 17:53, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
::Ed--thanks for your stimulus to my thinking! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:54, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

:::LOL, there's a [[Volvo]] radio ad I've heard dozens of times which talks about "stimulating your stimulus". --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 17:58, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

==Featured article==
Congrats on getting a weekly featured article! The financial crisis.
[[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 11:22, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
::hey thanks! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:13, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

==A Glitch?==
This edit [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=John_Gresham_Machen&diff=644407&oldid=644405] looks like a glitch. --[[User:RickD|RickD]] 12:07, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
::yes my "oops" (I was trying to move the reflist). Thanks for the good work--Machen has never looked so good in the last 70 years. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:22, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

== World History Lectures ==

I really enjoy your contributions. In fact, reading them drove me to Conservapedia. Couldn't you do some fact-checking on the '''World History Lectures''' of Aschlafly? [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 15:56, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
::thanks for the nice words. I'll keep my eyes open. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:03, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
:::Could you shed some light on [http://conservapedia.com/Talk:World_History_Lecture_Nine#Prussia_vs._Germany this discussion?] Thanks! [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 12:13, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:::I suggest the best approach is to propose an improved sentence for the text. think positive. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:21, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks==
I see you've been doing some really good work this past week, and thanks! We need more editing like that. Great job. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 23:03, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::HEY--thanks! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:04, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

==Attribution==
Please endeavor to give proper attribution for the articles you are taking from Citizendium. A copy of our license is available on the front page of the site. Thank you. [[User:Citizendium|Citizendium]] 15:47, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

*'''He does, and was the original author of the items he has placed here.''' I was unaware, "Citizendium", you are a German encyclopedia, being that is where your ISP is located. Another fraud/troll bites the dust. Bye. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 18:57, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

==Historian?==

Are you really Richard Jensen? I read your midwest book when I was younger (If indeed you are) [[User:JamesFerguson|JamesFerguson]] 16:32, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::yes. I wrote it when I was 24 years old. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:33, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

==Democrats and casual sex==

Jensen, I noticed that you deleted [[Democrats and casual sex|this article]], citing "inappropriate content". While I certainly find the actions of the Democrats to be inappropriate, I don't find the content of the article to be inappropriate. It was written without going into the lewd details of the online solicitations, but with enough evidence to incriminate the Democrats. Hard data doesn't lie: the Democratic convention had that spike in postings, while the RNC, which happened ''after'' and thus was under more scrutiny, did not have the spike in postings. It's a black and white testament to who actually lives family values, and therefore who has the family values in mind. Democrats may talk all they want about upholding morals, but their actions, ''especially'' those done in secret, tell a completely different story, one replete with [[duplicity]].

Furthermore, I'd argue precedent: this content has been listed in the articles on the [[2008 Democratic National Convention]] for some time. When I created the standalone article, I was pleasantly surprised to find the content had already been dutifully reported on CP. If you would, could you please restore the article? -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 16:00, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

::tens of thousands of people attend major conventions, so they all generate huge amounts of business. Not encyclopedic. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:19, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

:::I agree with Jensen. Pot/Kettle? Given the sex scandals that have and continue to hit both parties, singling out one of them is not the best road to go down..... --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 19:31, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
:::tk is ok. We have lots of middle school kids and tehy shouldn't be wasting their time on this stuff when they can read about Henry VIII. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 20:11, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

== Kingdom of the Netherlands ==

Could you move [[Kingdom of the Netherlands]] to the [[Netherlands]]? (See [[Talk:The_Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands#The_Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands_is_not_the_Netherlands.21|here]]) Thanks, [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 13:24, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::ok--good idea. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:04, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Thanks again! [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 14:30, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

== Arguing only.... ==

This: [http://www.conservapedia.com/World_History_Lecture_Nine] is exactly what I was talking about. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 17:42, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

== Pilgrim's Progress ==

Hi - sorry to bother. When you edited [[Pilgrim's Progress]] earlier, did the images load ok? For some reason I am only seeing an empty frame, yet the code looks correct and I am about to pull my hair out figuring out what is wrong! --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''nandeyanen?'']] 09:03, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
::the images did not load --probably because they are too big. I can resize them now if you want. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:12, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I would really appreciate that! Thank you so much. (I know it is a physical impossibility, but it seems I too have blonde moments *grin*) --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''nandeyanen?'']] 09:17, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
::::yes it works! (I made the map smaller) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:37, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Thank you again! That is one I owe you. --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''nandeyanen?'']] 09:49, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

== Fake Quotes ==
I will no longer use BrainyQuote.com, publishers of fake quotes. Thanks for the correction.--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 11:05, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
::good idea. it's weird how so many quotes get faked these days. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:30, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

== Internet Vandals ==

Some of these anti-intellectual vandals and trolls were having some fun at your expense, Richard. If you've gotten wind of it, or hear of it at some point, pay it no mind. Mainly just a group of malcontented trolls who frequent several sites, and of course the usual gang of young teen vandals all too common to the Internet. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 20:28, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
::thanks--yes they do get under my skin :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:30, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

:::Oh, BTW:
<blockquote>
Lending at the biggest U.S. banks has fallen more sharply than realized, despite government efforts to pump billions of dollars into the financial sector.

According to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Treasury Department data, the biggest recipients of taxpayer aid made or refinanced 23% less in new loans in February, the latest available data, than in October, the month the Treasury kicked off the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

The total dollar amount of new loans declined in three of the four months the government has reported this data." [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124019360346233883.html#mod=rss_whats_news_us]
</blockquote>
--[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:33, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::thanks for the tip. I'll keep updating the article. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:42, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

== Great effort ==

Great effort cleaning up the vandalism this morning! You might observe that vandalism is almost perfectly correlated with products of the political left.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:51, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::thanks. they are nettlesome gnats. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:54, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== Redneck ==

Perhaps it would be more accurate to state it was historically a derogatory term, but that since the late 1950's it has been co-opted by the targets of the term, and in modern usage it isn't necessarily viewed as a negative? Think Jeff Foxworthy, etc. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 16:03, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::good point! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:18, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

:::Thanks, Richard! I remember that cartoon, too! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 16:45, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::::It's one of my favorites. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:51, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

== [[Socialism]] ==

RJ, when you get a moment, could you look at [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Socialism#Grammatical_Edit_and_Rebuttal this?] The editor wants to add what he feels is a needed rebuttal to what he feels is something too pro-socialist...I don't see what he's getting at, but do want to accommodate him if possible. Since most of the work there is now yours, I am deferring to your judgment. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:12, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::OK I worked on it. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:09, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

== Lenin ==

Hey RJJensen, so, you're ''much'' better at history than I am, but I do feel compelled to ask about your moving of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin to Lenin (I put the full reasons on the talk page) - simply because I feel precedent would have us use his full name, but the reason I'm posting here is just to clarify that I in no way mean to question you and the request is in no way meant as an insult - I have a lot of respect for you and I just want to make sure there won't be a misunderstanding. Thanks!--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 15:20, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
::thanks for the note--no offense taken and i'm glad you asked disguise his identity and so it should not be treated like ordinary names. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:42, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Understood - thanks very much! --[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 15:47, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

Lol, sorry about the misspelled name! I can't believe I did that ... in all seriousness though it really is awesome to work with you - so if you ever need a template or anything done, lemme know.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 23:25, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
::hey thanks--I'm a klutz at progamming and appreciate the help. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:31, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

== Quotes ==
Trying to determine if a quote is a fake. I tried Google, it comes up everywhere with blogs only. I tried Google books, about 5 come up. I would think credible historical sites would list if true. Can you confirm Thomas Jefferson "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 15:02, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
::I searched around and it appears to be a fake. All genuine Jefferson quotes are well represented in books.google.com [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:20, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

== "the best"? ==

What constitutes the best prose writer? I would imagine that it is impossible to say in a way that does not involve a whole lot of personal opinion, which as you know is not the kind of objective fact you would expect to find in an encyclopedia. From what I gather you yourself are not an Italian literature scholar, and even if you can read Italian extremely well and have read a good deal of Italian prose I really don't think you can say "he is the best", simply because, as I just said, its subjective. thanks --[[User:MrEmerson|MrEmerson]] 20:48, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::objective fact---hmmm. what sort of facts are those? [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:13, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

:::I suspect liberal "facts", RJ. What is indisputeable is he wasn't a very good sockmaster! Brendanw, EmersonW, MrEmerson and several accounts that look like IP's were all his. Sorry to ruin your fun with this guy...I didn't see you had engaged him until after I had begun shutting him down. Next time I will let you have fun with them! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 21:23, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::::yeah--my goal is to drive them away redfaced and yours is to catch them red-handed (red moused?) :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:30, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

ROFL! Whatever happened to the apparently archaic practice of playing outside? Worries me these little kids no longer play outside.... --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 21:33, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::on Wikipedia I once was so annoyed by vandals that I complained to the school's principal in New Jersey. since they weren't harrassing HIM, he ignored my complaint. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:46, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

:::Sherry Lansing, once in the motion picture business, has lived her business life by one rule: she never leaves the office without returning, or attempting to return ALL calls. No matter that she doesn't know the person, or they end up being someone complaining about a movie they saw. Once, at a charity deal, I asked her why. She winked and said several of those calls had made her millions in good ideas or a writer looking for someone to buy their script. She just hated the thought of being rude and not responding, saying her mother raised her better than that. Sounds like that principal is reaping what he sows. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:47, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

==Revert==
Please revert User:ForTheWin's edits (I would myself, but I can't revert past one edit :(

==Thanks==
Thanks for the nice comments on my page! I am very excited for Princeton in the fall. I'll also definitely look up Liz Jensen - aerospace engineering, wow, that's great! I am considering engineering also, with mechanical/aerospace engineering near the top of my list. --[[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 21:56, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::you might have Liz as your TA -- she loves to teach. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 22:04, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

== Upload ==

Can you give me upload picture rights?--  † [[User:FellowChristian16|Fellow]][[User talk:FellowChristian16|Christian]][[Special:Contributions/FellowChristian16|16]]  00:42, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
::I don't have the power; ask [[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]].--[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:47, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Just out of curiosity, would you give it to me if you could?--  † [[User:FellowChristian16|Fellow]][[User talk:FellowChristian16|Christian]][[Special:Contributions/FellowChristian16|16]]  01:01, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

== Austria ==

Hello RJJensen. Just wanted to let you know that you mistakenly moved the picture of Stephansdom in Passau over to the page on Austria. Living in Austria myself, I can attest that Passau is indeed in Germany, and Vienna's Stephansdom looks nothing like this picture! [[User:JDWpianist|JDWpianist]] 08:33, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
::thanks for that. my mistake. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:59, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

== Excuse me, sir! ==

Sir, you seem to be an in-charge-type around here. This being so, could you inform me how to upload images, as I can't find the button that I am so used to using on other wikis.--[[User:Woloct|Woloct]] 00:17, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

== Furthermore... ==

What's more, the page D.C.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=D.C&redirect=no] is currently locked, and yet it's only a double-redirect. Could you, as an admin, fix this? Thank you.--[[User:Woloct|Woloct]] 00:23, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

And while we're on the topic, [[President Harry S. Truman]] [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=President_Harry_S._Truman&redirect=no] has the same problem. Poor Harry.
Thanks again.--[[User:Woloct|Woloct]] 00:26, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
:: technical pages (like the Truman and DC examples) should not be altered. To request a picture upload goto [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:31, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Thank you for the response! While we're on the topic, [http://www.conservapedia.com/Gary_glitter] is completely devoid of content. Could you unlock it or, preferably, destroy it?--[[User:Woloct|Woloct]] 00:35, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

::::I could partially fix a few. However, the Truman article is problematic inasmuch as it should be titled "Harry S. Truman" not "Harry Truman". Lots of links, however, so I will work on changing them and moving the main article. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:38, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

==Silly stuff==

Could you check Gianni's contribs? [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Gianni] I think a lot of it is just random silliness. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 18:09, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
::I was just looking at those. agreed. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:10, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

== Plymouth Brethren ==

This article wasn´t accepted by liberal wikipedia, why you refuse it in Conservapedia, please give reasons.

== Conservapedia:Featured articles ==

Any proposal for new articles? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 19:45, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::how about [[Atlanta]]. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 03:58, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

::: Done, now you may vote. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 08:32, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism==

Please revert my bad joke (see [[Counter Reformation]]). --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 08:44, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Oh, so you '''are''' awake ;-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 09:00, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::well I make too many typos when I write in my sleep, so I have a stiff cup of coffee right now. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:04, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

==new article==
Maybe you can add some historical background to my new article [[Melting pot]]. If so, thanks! [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 22:24, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
::yes...it's a favorite topic of mine. Thanks for getting it started! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 05:12, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

== Labour Pary ==

*Why do you keep vandalizing my correction on the "Labour Party" article. Stop it! The Labour Party IS a socialist party. The party officially describes itself as "democratic socialist." And by the way, Tony Blair has never officially renounced socialism. American conservatives need to get over this ridiculous idea that just because Blair supported the War on Terror that means he is a conservative. He's not! --- [[User:AmerICan|AmerICan]] 19:00, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::take it to the talk page first or you will get banned for vandalism. Thanks. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:01, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for your helpful corrections to my new pages for the Obama czars! I'm new here, and looks like I went a bit overboard with the speculation into non-neutrality -- my summaries were written more as an anti-wikipedia than as truly neutral articles. I'll try to be more neutral in the future!
::and thank you for taking the initiative! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:44, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

==Lusitania==
Whay are you insistant on hiding any information on the cargo of that ship, and why are you removing historical information? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:05, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::CP should condemn terrorism against helpless civilians, as all the world did at the time. The Germmans are the ones who tried to justify their actions, but they sank an unarmed undefended passenger ship deliberately in order to terrify the British. I added the German captain's own war diary account, which gives the German perspective. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:09, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, I agree, and I would have posted the sub's war diary as well if and when I found it, but the fact remains that you have removed needed material from the article. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:11, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::well what historical material do you think should be included? [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:22, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::The past and present allegations pertaining to its munitions cargo and the current archaeological findings as reported in ''Archaeology'' Magazine and others; pertinent information regarding its passengers, sailing date, and final moments off Ireland; the German warnings in the New York Times, its declaration of the war zone around the British Isles, and its belief that ''Lusitania'' was carrying war cargo; current condition of the ship, the attempted destruction of the wreck by the British Government in the 1950's, and the case involving the owners of the wreck vs. the Irish Government...in short, just about everything. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:31, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::most of the info is in there. There should be a separate section on archaeology (which is ongoing--Wiki has some of the details). The "munitions" bit is a red herring that Germans used to justify killing innocent Americans. We need to keep an American perspective, not that of the discredited Kaiser's government that used terrorism and war crimes routinely. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:37, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Read what I posted here [http://www.conservapedia.com/File:Lusitania_warnings.png][http://www.conservapedia.com/File:WashingtonpostMay8_1915.jpg]; period newspaper reports from the Washington Post which suggest that ''Lusitania's'' captain scoffed at the danger from Germany. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:04, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::yes the ship shouild have been zig-zagging as ordered. not a good reason to kill americans. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:15, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
So, would a discussion of illegal arms shipments by the Wilson administration in contrast to the [[Iran contra affair]] be innappropriate? [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 20:02, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::No, not true and not appropriate. and please if you insist on showing bias at least make it a pro-American bias, not anti-American. Better yet is no bias using the best scholarship. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 20:38, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Is being critical of Iran contra anti-American bias? [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 20:41, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::left wing biases are unwelcome here.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 20:59, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Not necessarily so, solong as they are cited as such. Under those circumstances, they provide balance. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:02, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

==Let's cut to the chase==
Here's the biggest problem you have to deal with: the Founder of the Roosevelt Presidential Library, [[Trude Lash]], was a [[Stalinist]] [[KGB]] operative. How do you propose we deal with this? [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 00:34, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::I was at the fdr Library last week and talked to the archivist personally. What's the problem? [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:35, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

:::I'm still working on the Trude Lash material, you'll have to give me at least a few days. Incidentally, did you ever see this one at Hyde Park:
::::5. Joseph A. Michela, Military Attache Moscow Report 1903, "N.K.V.D. of the U.S.S.R.," 14 April 1941, Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, Harry Hopkins Papers, "MID Reports--USSR--Volume V," box 190.
:::all six pages [https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/venona-soviet-espionage-and-the-american-response-1939-1957/part1.htm available here] [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:28, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
Excerpted p.5:
:''Any governmental organization that has a crying need for labor simply calls upobn the N.K.V.D to supply it. If the amount of labor is insufficient to supply the need, it is relatively an easy matter to institute a reign of terror on any pretext and fill up the labor colonies to meet requirements. There is little doubt that during the purges of the past, one eye was kept on the labor needs of government projects...."'' [https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/venona-soviet-espionage-and-the-american-response-1939-1957/5d.gif]
That's only a random selection, there's much more. And this is dated six months before Pearl Harbor. Many Americans had to wait till the 1970s and Solzhenitsyn's book to hear of this. All our reliable sources told us up til then was Harry and Uncle Joe got on like a "house of fire." [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:40, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

::I did not see that particular document but I did see others like it. FDR founded the FDR Library, not Trude Lash. The FDR Library received the FDR papers only after FDR died--there were no secret documents there during the war years.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:06, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:::FDR founded the library? Where the papers his personal property when he did so? [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 14:59, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::The archivist told me that FDR raised $400,000 in 1940 to build the library on his property at Hyde park. He deeded it to the federal government. Since his death the government (National Archives) has owned and operated it; they moved his papers there in the late 1940s. Trude Lash her Joseph Lash husband years later set up a separate private FDR institute that runs academic programs. I'm not sure about Trude's politics but her husband Joseph Lash was the leading ANTI-Communist in student affairs in 1939 when he met Eleanor and they became close friends. Eleanor strongly encouraged Joe's marriage to Trude in 1944. Joe Lash and ER were key leaders of the anti-communist movement in the US in the late 1940s.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:07, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:::::That structure, the government holding the deed to the FBI Library would then be different from other Presidential libraries under current law. So this is what you've been told.
:::::Two points. Let's clarify, (a) [[Joseph Lash]] was an anti-communist? even Wikipedia cites Joseph Lash heading a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_front#Alleged_CPUSA_front_organizations.2C_circa_1944 Communist front organization]] on the [[Attorney General]]'s list in 1944 (Attorney General Francis Biddle, that is. M.Stanton Evens says the FDR administration established this list in 1941).
:::::(b) were the FDR papers, moved to his personal residence, considered FDR's personal property? This obviously relates to Nixon taking a tax deduction for the donation of his vice-presidential papers, seeing that by precedent, FDR & Lyndon Johnson's papers were regarded as thier personal property. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 15:39, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

::::::Lash had been a fellow traveler in the 1930s, broke with the Communists in 1939, and became the #1 anti-communist student leader. (he resigned from the Am. Youth Congress in 1940 when the reds took it over.) He later was a founder of the ADA, the leading anti-communist group in the late 1940s. FDR did not consider the presidential papers to be his personal property, but he did have many non-presidential papers. (For example, his widow sold off his stamp collection.) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:11, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

::::::::Really? our sources say [[American_Youth_Congress#Dies_investigation| he defected from the Socialist Party]] to the Comintern in 1937 (the source being none other than himself <s>Trude Lash</s>). And that still doesn't explain how he ends up on the wartime [[Attorney General's list]] of [[subversive]] organizations. If memory serves me correct, there were only a dozen or so subversive organizations when the list began under FDR in 1941, of which Joe Lash's [[American Youth Congress]] is one. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 17:06, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:::::::::ER Encylopedia says: ''"the Soviet Union signed a nonaggression pact with Germany in August 1939. Led by Joseph Lash, a founder and executive secretary of the ASU, a number of members condemned the Soviet action. Although communists were a minority of the ASU, by this time they held a majority of the leadership positions and exerted powerful control over the organization’s national board. Communist ASU officers condemned Lash for his views, organized a successful campaign to vote him out of office, and adopted a communist, anti–New Deal, isolationist position."'' (p 15) It notes that most members then quit the ASU and many joined the new anti-communist International Student Service (ISS) which Lash headed. Lash was not on the Attorney General's list because it only listed organizations--it named groups that Lash had quit or been expelled from years before. SEE [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,763168,00.html TIME story Jan 8 1940] [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:36, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::So the time has come to do a [[Joe Lash]] bio; this has been on my to-do list for many years.... [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 17:52, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::yes, he's interesting. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:59, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==-SDA page==

The SDA page is now well written and informative, (good writer) and though i think the controversies as well as the changes from the 1950's interaction are important (the apologetics index link helped), i am sorry you got some of the overflow of my grief from the original condition.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 13:49, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::thanks--I'm glad that we're agreed [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:00, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

== Random Question ==
Are you the same R. J. Jensen that studied the fallacy of the NINA signs!?!? If you are I admire your work!!--[[User:IScott|IScott]] 09:57, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::thanks--that's me. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:40, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Wow! I was absolutely fascinated by that article! My son showed the article to his liberal history teacher who was preaching the victimization of the Irish. Your work brought him the truth and converted him! He now teaches the fallacy of the NINA signs!--[[User:IScott|IScott]] 23:19, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::delighted to hear that. I still get ^%%$^ everry March 17 from poor victims. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:33, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Haha! Oh the Irish! Always the "victims" of something!

== Featured articles ==

Your help is needed. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 20:47, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== on vacation ==

I've been on the road the last few weeks with limited time and limited access to internet. I'll be back in early August.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:41, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

: I am also out of town; hope you could have some time to give your opinion over future featured articles. Good luck and nice vacations. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 21:44, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== Obamunism ==

RJ, I certainly agree with you that Bush's bailouts were bad for the American economy. However, to add Bush in a sentence I was just working on in the article made the sentence far too long and complicated so I removed the material about Bush being involved in corporate bailouts. I also think that since the article is about Obamamunism, the article should first focus on Obama. With that being said, I certainly would not object to any material added to the article about Bush's corporate bailouts, but I think it should be done later in the article. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 02:08, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
::ok [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 02:11, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

== quick note bush vs. Obama bailouts ==

It is true that Bush initiated the corporate bailout process. However, I do not know if it could be said that Bush did far more bailing out in terms of magnitude of dollars spent, so I abridged your material. However, if you can show that the magnitude of Bush bailout expenditures exceeded Obama's, I certainly would not want to obscure or hide this matter. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 02:25, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

== libertarian vs. conservative republicans ==

Conservative republicans and libertarians were opposed to bush bailouts, but I know they two camps differ on social issues like abortion so i altered the sentence to just mention the phrase advocates of free market capitalism. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 02:30, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
:agreed.

::I added the $ details. TARP is the #1 bailout program--demanded by Bush and signed by him in Oct 2008--at $700 billion. That money covers the banks and GM bailouts, for example. In addition Bush gave guarantees for hundreds of billions of toxic assets for AIG, Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac (as well as some banks like Wachovia and Washington Mutual)--how much of the guarantee $$$$ actually will be spent is a big unknown as of today. Some specific details are at [[Financial Crisis of 2008]]. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 02:34, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

== request ==

RJJensen,

I know that the libertarians have been very active on the economic freedom front in the USA as far as educating the public. Peter Schiff, Gerald Celente (although he does not call himself a libertarian, I believe he is as far as his outlook), and the Ludwig von Mises Institute come to mind.

I am guessing you are a libertarian and I think August could be an important month as far as future economic freedom in the USA as Obama does not want to be defeated on the health care issue which will cause him to lose political momentum among other things.

Would you be interested in creating these articles:

[[Obama admistration deficit spending]]

[[Obama administration corporate bailouts]]

[[Obama administration fiscal policy]]

[[Obama admistration monetary policy]]

Please let me know if you are interested as your assistance would be appreciated.[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 04:45, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Can you delete==

On the wanted pages i noticed ‎49 links to a "Zachary Robeson", and like you, i can find no such person, but this name is yet listed in the Famous Explorers section of apparently 49 pages. Can you somehow do a mass delete of this? I surmise it was designed with ill intent. Thanks[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 11:24, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::I can't find any link to him. ?? [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:37, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think he's right: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Zachary_Robeson]]. It looks like the link is always in the Famous Explorers box at the bottom, so I'm guessing it only needs to be changed once, I just don't know where to do it. --[[User:MarkGall|MarkGall]] 13:45, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::::OK i deleted it. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:49, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Thanks RJ and Daniel! It was yet another hidden bit of vandalism/lies inserted by blocked user BrianCo when he created the template originally. There have been several of the same removed since I blocked him, serving as vindication for me of just what and who he was; BrianCo is a proved liar and troll. Any previous edits by this discredited user from a vandal site, should be given a thorough going over whenever you come across them. --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 15:23, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

:Actually, Zachary Robeson was a parody article created by the blocked user Czolgolz. I reported it some time ago and it was [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=RJJensen&page=&year=&month=-1 deleted] by RJJensen. --[[User:OscarJ|OscarJ]] 15:34, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

:*'''''Actually, OscarJ,''''' the template, the navigation template, was made by the liar BrianCo, who kept that article alive for months. Upon Daniel posting here, Dr. Jensen also removed the false article created by Czolgolz, a member of the very same vandal site as BrianCo, from the navigation template. But it was indeed BrianCo who added that false article to the template. Please refrain from trying to present confirmed vandals and liars like BrianCo in a positive light here. Disinformation isn't tolerated. Godspeed to you! --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:20, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

:::Good work. But now even the White house is looking for reports on anything fishy.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 16:01, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Persons in the Bible==
Hi again. I created a page for Hoshea (high priest), as it was listed in the [[Special:WantedPages]], but i think it really should be Joshua the high priest, (Zec. 3:1) which the page i made is about, as i find no list that positively ID's Hoshea as a high priest, or renders Yehoshua by that name (the two are different in Hebrew), though i could be wrong. Also wanted was a page on Jehoirarib, which i made, but which i think is a misspelling of Jehoiarib (one 'r'), which again is who the page is about. I think all the calls for these two wanted pages are due to their being part of a template. Thanks and praise God. [[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 23:05, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::OK I Can fix that. exactly what should I do???

:::I would change the Hoshea to Joshua the high priest, and Jehoirarib to Jehoiarib in the template used for [[High_Priest]]. Yet that page is really about the [[High priest]], which itself is a non-existent, wanted page, and so maybe the latter title should take the place of the former. You might see the competition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_High_Priests_of_Israel. In addition, i cannot find any reference to a Joran at all, and that is listed on that template. Perhaps you can find out who made that. The rest look ok for now.

:::Also (if that is not confusing enough), among other issues which pertain to Biblical topics, fornication is a requested page(9 pages red link to it), as it was deleted due to vandalism. I recently incorporated the Biblical definition into the [[sex]] article, so either that could serve as a redirect or i could create a page with that in it, but which should afterward be protected. Maybe you could do one on [[Vice President]] ‎(12 links) some time. Thanks.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 18:35, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

:::More research shows that Jotham is most doubtful as being a high priest. Not as the youngest son of Gideon, nor as the son of King Uzziah (who intruded into the priests office) WP does have Jotham in its list of high priests, supposing he was the son of Azariah, who was a high priest (son of Zadok), but in this case his father was actually Uzziah, who was sometimes referred to as Azariah (Jerushah) as the name means the same. The last reference is to a descendant of Judah, son of Jahdai. 1Ch_2:47). "of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood." (Heb. 7:14)

:::I have tracked down the apparent source of these names, via a reference in the page to Axiomar by JY23: http://www.angelfire.com/ego/et_deo/highpriests.wps.htm No source is provided for this extensive list, and i will email him for more info. Best hold off on any changes till further notice. Sorry for the confusion.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 10:49, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
::::oK --it's too uncertain now to make changes so I will wait till you're satisfied. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:32, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

:::: Gentlemen, I think you have the wrong Hoshea. The Hoshea that I was planning to discuss was the immediate successor to Azariah III; he served under [[Manasseh King of Judah]]. The other Joshua served alongside governor Zerubbabel during the reign of the Persian king Darius I.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 08:53, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::There are three by that name or (Oshea), but the problem is i could not find any that were verifiably a high priest, and the template it listed him as such, along with Jotham. I did get a brief email back (8-10) from the author of the page where this list evidently came from, but all he said was, "you ask the source for the genealogies of the high-priests, well, it was contained in the abbreviated version of "Joshua" [aka Jesus; Yahweh] - the title is in two volumes", and my request for more precise info has been ignored so far. Would have responded sooner but CP editing was locked for some time, as is too often the case.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 23:04, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

==Scottsboro boys==
Do you have anything on the [[Scottsboro boys]] or alternatively [[Scottsboro case]]; this appears to be an important articlew we'll need. I found an img. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 19:11, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::it was moderately important to the left in the 1930s. I'll draft a short article--thanks for the tip.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 20:17, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::The Scottsboro case is what motivated many prominent African-Americans of the era to join up with the CPUSA, as the CPUSA entry suggests; and of course we may need to comment on [[FDR]]'s refusal to back an anti-lynching law. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 20:28, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

== cross-posting from Citizendium ==

Hello RJ!

I am currently in the process of writing articles for Citizendium on some of the great works of literature. I will be concentrating on those works which are most typically part of a high school reading or curriculum program. Both CZ and CP, it seems to me, are in serious need of a much greater breadth and/or depth of information on such literature than they presently possess.

Unless there is some problem with it, I would propose to cross-post my work yo both CZ and CP.

A current sample is [[The Call of the Wild]], just posted here a few minutes ago. I am currently working on ''The Time Machine'', have an article on ''The New Atlantis'' (by Francis Bacon). In the works is ''Little Women'' and many others. The articles will likely consist solely of brief intros followed by plot summaries. Some analysis or commentary would still need to be added, but the plot summary is a start.

[[User:JFPerry|JFPerry]] 10:57, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
::good start!--please keep it up. there is no problem about crossposting from Citizendium (because its authors keep their copyright).[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:01, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

==NY Times==

Are you the Robert Jensen spoken of in this ''New York Times'' article? [http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/the-indiana-jones-of-economics-part-iii/] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 16:22, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::no relation. I do have a brother Robert Jensen--he's a retired gun dealer in Arizona--but the NY Times is writing about someone else. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:24, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Categorization and labelling==

Please stop categorizing political people. Leave it to others, particularly senior admins, to decide whether someone is conservative, libertarian, or liberal. There's no point arguing over this sort of thing. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 16:47, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

==Chesterton edits==

I'm somewhat puzzled by your edits to the G.K. Chesterton article. While he was, by his own description, "orthodox", he certainly wasn't a Conservative. I have a digital anthology of his letters here with me (it is read-only, by the way) and to quote from an April, 1924 copy of the ILN, he said: "''The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.''" I believe to describe oneself, if at all, through religious terms rather than political terms is and was an admirable trait, and we should continue that, when the subject and the source are one and the same regarding the analysis of his philosophies. [[User:MICasey|MICasey]] 17:26, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::some good points and I will chew on them. I was following Russell Kirk, the leading historian of conservatism, who considers GKC a major conservative intellectual. the National Review's Bill Buckley was also a great admirer[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:48, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Thank you for your consideration. Many scholars have described him as essentially "Catholic in his heart, and Conservative in his brain", to paraphrase. So perhaps a description of being a man whose practicality and sentimentality were aligned, and whose views have gained acceptance from many modern Conservatives. Feel free to include the snippet about William F. Buckley as well. Chesterton was very honest about his intellectual forebears, so it would be good to continue the, say, philosophical family tree. I leave the matter of editing and wording entirely in your hands. [[User:MICasey|MICasey]] 19:28, 5 September 2009 (EDT)

==Suggestions==
# Block [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=prev&oldid=699827 EMC]
# Archive your talk page a little. Anything older than 2 months should do us some good.
::[[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:37, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

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== The Game ==
:Haha I just lost the game!!--[[User:IScott|IScott]] 00:03, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks, I had forgotten about it until you just mentioned it. *goes to bed a loser of The Game* -=- [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:06, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== Reference ==
:Haha! you make me sound terrible in your "religious background" thing. xD I probably was. lol [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 20:57, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
::I didn't mean to convey you in such a way. You helped me realize some other things to.
::Almost all break-ups are "terrible", but that doesn't make the people "terrible". I was tired and being bitter when I wrote that. ...that's a poor excuse for writing those things too. Sorry. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 23:36, 10 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Haha, that's ok, I probably was terrible. I can't remember but I remember being quite a mean person. I probably still am, who knows. Lol. Sounds like you've grown to be a much better person these years. Not that you were a bad one in the first place. [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 00:33, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::::I sure hope you're joking about that comment you made about yourself.
::::It's not that you were a terrible person, I think it's cause our personalities were too different for stuff to work out properly. Someone was more clued in about that and decided to tell you that before things got too out of hand. At least, that's what I tell myself. :P [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:41, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::The french on your main page burns my eyes. D-: Je ne comprehend pas cela... {{unsigned|PhyllisS}}
::::::I put it back to English, so you can understand what I was trying to say. Dx [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 14:48, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Oh, that would be "Je ne sais plus faire parler ou écrire en français." I think. Well, that translates to "I no longer know how to speak or write French", anyway. Don't know about the "proper" adjective... because "propre" in French has all these weird things, like if you say "mon propre chambre" it means "my own room"... or something. [[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 18:25, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It's okay. You're better at French than I am. :D
::::::::I had no idea you were into Aerospace Engineering and inventing -- I always figured you would end up doing Electrical Engineering. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 22:54, 11 September 2009 (EDT)
==Reversion==
You reverted my edit on the [[Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil]]. Please provide justification. Thanks. --[[User:EMC|EMC]] 00:41, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:My justification is that your edit to [[Christianity]] was outlandish. Meaning, no good can come of your stay here. [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:42, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::Please provide justification on the basis of my edit and tell me what the inaccuracy was. --[[User:EMC|EMC]] 00:45, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
:::(EC) Citrus-bearing fruit..? I've only ever seen it as an apple tree in so many depictions. Also, God is incapable of sin because He is perfect, and lying is a sin. Adam and Eve did eventually die. Or did you not read that far into the Bible? [[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:47, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

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[[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:49, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your fascinating addition to [[Barack Obama]] re: financing. Godspeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:26, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

== Welcome ==
Welcome indeed to CP! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 19:18, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::hey thanks! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:25, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

==China==
Chinese history would appear not to be your forte. How describing the fluctuating state of authority in the warlord period counts as 'red propaganda', I am at a loss to understand. Please don't cause damage to other Chinese history articles. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:03, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
:: Ah but I am fairly familiar with 20c Chinese history. the article was full of Red propaganda (not that particular example)--which is bad for a conservative encyclopedia. for examples:
#the very title, and many of the pinyin terms, are the ones created in the 1950s by Communists in Beijing, and not used at the time or by the anti-communists in Taiwan.
#" However, Chiang was aided by the 'Guangxi Clique' of nationally-minded warlords; and the northern progress of the expedition was aided by carefully-timed popular uprisings planned by the CCP against local warlords."
#" Chiang again turned on the communists in the 'Shanghai Coup'. Aided by the police of the International Settlement and the French Concession in the city, and by gunmen of the influential 'Green Gang' criminal network, Chiang's troops and police rounded up and executed hundred of communists and trade unionists"
# "that to build a strong China it was necessary to defeat communism first, to an increasing number of Chinese his attitude appeared capitulationist and unpatriotic."
[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:13, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

All those are established facts, however unpalatable some of them may be. At Conservapedia we deal in truth, not propaganda. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:16, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

In addition, it is a very bad idea to build up Chiang as a conservative ideal type. He was - to put it mildly - an unsavoury and unscrupulous thug, who was portrayed as a democratic leader in the west for the sake of wartime unity, and wwas later loyal to the US as he had no choice but to be so. He was the very opposite of loyal at other stages of his career: vide his flirtation with [[Nazism]], and his cavalier treatment of General Stilwell. In terms of opersonal morality, well.... suffice to say that his avowal of Christianity was purely opportunistic; he presided over a regime of brutality and corruption that alienated all potential allies; he was the sort of man who actually made Communism look like a desirable alternative. How bad do you have to be to do that? [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:22, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

::- ::No, you have to read some of the history. I actually worked through the books in the bibliography. For example, who cliams " to an increasing number of Chinese his attitude appeared capitulationist and unpatriotic." (answer: the far left). The story of the Nanchang uprising ("carefully-timed popular uprisings planned" is from Communist folklore as told to Edgar Snow in "Red Star over China", a notorous far-left book. As for Chiang's character, it is NOT white washed here. He was a rough character and I do not call him democratic. As for Stillwell, I think Chiang and Chennault were mostly right and Stillwell mostly wrong. (My articles on Stillwell and Chennault are coming soon--they are now both at Citizensium--take a look also atmy CBI article there. I have read the major studies for China in the 1940s.). Corruption--alas that is the history of China for the last 150 years, continuously (for example, don't feed your baby on Chinese formula--or feed your cat with their stuff. That is 2008 corrpution.
:::I too know a bit about that period - the Americans backed a loser in Chiang; and the real blame for the fall of China to communism lies with him - not with Service or Lattimore or any of the other John Birch Society bugaboos. Chiang was a late era warlord who used the KMT as a personal vehicle, and whose corruption and nepotism ruined the infant republic. There were better warlords for the west to have dealt with - Yan Xishan at least would have kept his hands out of the till - or Li Zongren. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:42, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
::::well everyone to his own warlord. Fact is Chiang came to power in 1920s and remained so to 1940 with zero American help. I think we agree the US policy to support China in order to defeat Japan was a fiasco (this was Stillwell's idea.) --More on this in my WW2 articles to come. I did not drop the conspiracy interpretation of the late 1940s which was in the article for a months or years.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:46, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::''well everyone to his own warlord'' hehe - I once attended a lecture by Jack Gray who was an ardent fan of Wu Peifu. I think his argument was that because he had no fixed territorial power base, this showed not that he had drawn the short straw geographically, but that it meant he was a truly 'national' leader rather than all those regionalist cliques, Zhang Zuolin in Manchuria, Feng in the north-west, etc. I thought it a dubious argument then and still do. But anyway... Chiang held power from the 20s to the 40s, but he certainly relied on Communist help both in 1925-27 (and he was plotted against as much as plotting, I have no doubt), and at the Xian incident. If the Young Marshal had had him put up against a wall, and seized power for himself, rather than bottling it.... [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:56, 20 September 2008 (EDT)
:::the happy fact (not yet in the article) is that he created a regime on Taiwan with far less corruption and it historically led to a pro-US nation with capitalism and democracy. As for Christianity, the issue was active persecution of the missionaries. Chiang's highly public conversion helped change the status of Christians and reduced the persecution they sufferedin 1930s. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 08:54, 20 September 2008 (EDT)

== Latino ==

Could we please talk about it before reverting? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 21:32, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
::Yes indeed--I have explained my edits. I fixed a several little grammar issues, enlarged the map to make it legible, expanded the caption. We don't want to illustrate a U.S. article with a Mexican coach in Spain. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:35, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

::: The image shows a latino, beening in the US or not he is a latino; it is illustrating the very first part of the article. It also shows that not all latinos are illegals or land workers. This is enough to have a place there. The map is much better where it was before according to the subject. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 21:43, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::get a better image. This person is a Mexican living in Spain. The map was to small to figure out. The article makes it very clear that only a minority of latinos are illegal[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:45, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

We use to lock the articles while in the Main Page. If you need to edit it, please let me know. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 07:00, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
::OK, no problem. I won't be working on it for a while. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:06, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

== Warning ==

Please be more accurate in your edit summaries of "minor" edits. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 02:18, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
::sorry about that. I tried to change categories (Bryan was never a jurist) and the result was a bizarre edit I did not intend. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:40, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

== Newton ==

Hi, your calculus section in the [[Isaac Newton]] article had some conceptual errors in it -- I've rewritten the mathematics of this section appropriately. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 04:17, 3 November 2008 (EST)
::very nice job--thanks! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 08:25, 3 November 2008 (EST)

==National Socialist German Workers Party==

Just to let you know, I'm not interested in getting into an edit war here, but the listing of the Allies led by the US, Russia and Britain is inaccurate. The term Allies (for WWII) applies to all the countries that opposed the Axis powers, and that list included 21 countries or blocs before the US joined in 1941. Obviously the effort of the Allies had to be co-ordinated in the years between 1939-41 so the question of who led the Allies during WWII is, at best, not something that can be easily dispensed with a single sentence. Furthermore, saying that Russia was an member of the Allies is inaccurate, it was the USSR which was a member of the Allies, of which Russia was a part (an equivalent example would be if the sentence had read that .....by the Allies, led by Texas, Russia and Britain).

As a compromise I suggest: ......and was finally destroyed in [[World War II]] by the Allies, the major powers of which were the United States who led the Allied forces in Europe from 1941, the USSR (more commonly known as the Soviet Union) and Britain. [[User:Ieuan|Ieuan]] 22:03, 3/Nov/08 (GMT)
::the US joined the fighting in 1941 but had already been financing the war for both Britain and USSR, and was providing much of the munitions. Leadership also consists in setting strategy and policy which the US did--maybe 95% in the case of the war against Japan, 75% against Italy and say 40% in the case of Europe. As for the Soviets, they were Hitler's allies until June of 1941. You are right that USSR/Soviet is a better term than Russia. The debate should be on the article talk page, not here. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:42, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Copied the debate over to the talk page.

== ''Germania'' ==

I loved to read your article on the German Americans. Thanks for posting it! --[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 15:49, 5 November 2008 (EST)
::hey thanks! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:53, 5 November 2008 (EST)

== Roosevelt ==

Why are you deleting sourced material from this article? Remember that the removal of relevant, sourced material from Conservapedia is considered vandalism. Please do not try to insert your own [[opinion]] into articles by censoring [[facts]]. --[[User:Wikinterpreter|Wikinterpreter]] 14:05, 6 November 2008 (EST)
::the article is supposed to be about FDR and introducing red herrings hurts students. CZ rules clearly state: "Please note that all contributions to Conservapedia may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly, then do not submit it here." [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:18, 6 November 2008 (EST)

==[[Holocaust]] article==
The additions you placed in there now make that article repetative; things are said twice. It needs to be fixed so it runs smoothly. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:57, 10 November 2008 (EST)
::you're right and I will try to smooth it out. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:59, 10 November 2008 (EST)

== Category Military history ==

Thank you for your work on the project. When we create categories we use capitalization so the category should be Military History. I would also recommend that if you do feel that category is important, that it covers a specifically defined area. Perhaps it should probably deal with overlying changes in tactics or doctrine that has guided military functioning that has had a profound impact. I would not use it for things like Wars or Battles which already have their own categories.

Thanks [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 17:32, 15 November 2008 (EST)
::thanks for the tip. I think the demand for article on military history is enormous--look at the very heavy emphasis at Borders and Barnes and Noble, for example. My college courses on military history attracted far more students than other history topics. Of course a specific topic may well overlap several categories. People will want to use our category pages as an index to what is available here. Discussions of tactics, strategy, technology and doctrine, for example, are often included in articles on specific wars. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:41, 15 November 2008 (EST)

== First Black President ==

Hello, please do not censor correct information in the [[First Black president]] article. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 10:49, 19 November 2008 (EST)
::what information was correct? it did not check out. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:04, 19 November 2008 (EST)

I notice you are a controversial editor who has never geneflected before Mr. Schlafly, and neither have you praised his wisdom and judgement in his fascinating revelation that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim. Are you a Muslim sir? [[User:MarkBaley|MarkBaley]] 22:57, 20 November 2008 (EST)
::well actually more of a Catholic (a graduate of Notre Dame University class of 1962).[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:01, 20 November 2008 (EST)

Are you more like Barack Obama, a [[Liberal]] who lies about his religion, and then subverts the office of the United States, and then deceives the American people and then institutes an Islamic Caliphate, giving control of our nuclear arsenal to Iran and Bin Laden? If this is what you are, then we are better off without you. [[User:MarkBaley|MarkBaley]] 23:05, 20 November 2008 (EST)
::well no--but I was hoping Biden would be president--as a Catholic he will bring the Pope over to straighten us all aout. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:12, 20 November 2008 (EST)

I would rather the pope as my slavemaster than Bin Laden! Obama will, any day now I'm sure, give the nuclear launch codes to all of our enemies - Bin Laden, Iran, Satan, Green Goblin, France - and introduce an Islamic Caliphate to our great and glorious nation! Heel before the almighty Schlafly, only his logic and truth can save the world from the dark precipice it has gotten itself under! Only the bright and free can be saved! [[User:MarkBaley|MarkBaley]] 23:16, 20 November 2008 (EST)

==English and UK categories==

Question for you at [[Talk:William the Conqueror]] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 08:26, 21 November 2008 (EST)

*Thanks for meeting me there, and now a question on ...

==World War II fatalities==

Thank for [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Japan&curid=11154&diff=564889&oldid=555832&rcid=615850 this addition]. I had simply assumed that every Japanes soldier who died in WWII was directly killed by the US and its allies. Except maybe an insignificant number of accidents - oh, and the suicidal heroics of the [[Kamikaze]].

If a soldier dies from starvation, I'd lay that death at the feet of the man who sent him out. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 10:01, 21 November 2008 (EST)
::I was also surprised at the numbers. I knew about the starvation on the isolated Pacific islands but was surprised at China numbers. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:10, 21 November 2008 (EST)

== Shays' Rebellion ==

I wander why the ''Block quote'' was deleted? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 19:19, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::it was too vague and did not add information to what was already covered regarding the impact of Shays' on the government. It took a left-wing approach that did not help any. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:28, 25 November 2008 (EST)

== The so-called Progressive Era? ==

*Sorry for removing a category you only created today, but CP likes to not make stand-alone narrow cats. Somehow we need an over-arching category to easily facilitate searches, and not just one per person. It might be easier to discuss adding categories somewhere, rather than just doing it.....or at least leaving a trail of bread crumbs for the less historically blessed to follow! :-D --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:57, 30 November 2008 (EST)
::I agree. We need a page on CP where technical issues can be discussed and conventions established. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:14, 1 December 2008 (EST)

== Additional privileges ==

Congratulations, you've earned the additional privileges of 24-hour editing, uploading images, and blocking others. Well done!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 09:53, 1 December 2008 (EST)
::hey thanks--I appreciate that! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 10:55, 1 December 2008 (EST)
:::Congrats. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 16:01, 1 December 2008 (EST)
::::Congratulations from me too. Well deserved! [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 05:41, 2 December 2008 (EST)

==Oz pic==
Just uploaded it for the article: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Image:Woz_movie.jpg] [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 17:12, 4 December 2008 (EST)
::thanks--the visuals are great. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 03:21, 5 December 2008 (EST)

== [[Barry Goldwater]] ==

I see some recent stretching to include people like Goldwater as libertarians. You are too good a historian to muddle the waters with throw-away lines such as "many of his later views were libertarian". Yes? So? Many of his views would, today, be considered near leftist as well. ''Historians need to resist revisionism''. In his time, by his own definition, Goldwater rejected libertarianism, and self-branded himself a conservative. Goldwater did not believe in abortion as a substitute for abstaining or birth control, nor did he support "abortion on demand". Many views held by even Ted Kennedy could be considered "conservative", but that hardly gives license to brand him one, or make the statement "some of his views are conservative", that would be misleading, IMO. --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 16:55, 5 December 2008 (EST)
:well I knew Goldater personally since 1958 and followed his career very closely. After 1980 or so he was libertarian on most social issues, while remaining conservative on defense and spending issues. In his heyday as a conservative leader (1960-64) he rarely mentioned social issues and they were seldom on the agenda. Here is what Bill Buckley said of Goldwater:
<blockquote>
''Conspicuous here was his defense of Supreme Court decisions involving abortion, gay rights, and the separation of church and state. Most followers of the senator were surprised, and abashed, especially at his defense of abortion.''[http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/wfb200412101327.asp from National RreviewDec10, 2004]</blockquote>
[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:01, 5 December 2008 (EST)

::*Ditto for me. My family were neighbors at the Balboa Bay Club in Newport Beach, CA, for several decades. But this is straw snatching, trying to paint the man as a libertarian, by a few high-profile pronouncements later in life, to somehow add cred to the libertarian cause. Find your own hero's, but kindly do not snatch our conservative ones! I do not disagree with showing, with cites, his later libertarian views (many of which I agreed with), but putting him, and others, with the help of another libertarian editor, into the libertarian category, and implying some "conversion" isn't being honest. --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 17:19, 5 December 2008 (EST)
::Conversion? well, I think Barry was always a libertarian but only became outspoken about it in the 1980s when social issues got high on the political agenda. When he was a leader of the conservative movement (1958-64) he rarely mentioned social issues of any kind--he never mentioned abortion, for example. (he did mention gays in 1964 in the Walter Jenkins scandal--a top LBJ aide was arrested during the election campaign-- but did not condemn it.) His libertarianism after 1980 was not a "few" statements it was his high profile fight to get O'Connor on the Supreme Court. He was at that time a very powerful Senator and his views are quite important. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:42, 5 December 2008 (EST)

::*We mostly agree. Just please don't go adding him to the libertarian category, or make it seem he was not a conservative. We are obviously near-contemporary, and no doubt share the acquaintanceship/friendship of many, it seems. However to use your friendship and personal assumptions as to what he was, absent of his repudiating being a conservative, is wrong and purely anecdotal. That is my only objection. --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 17:48, 5 December 2008 (EST)
:::I'm glad we agree. I was not the one who added the libertarian category. But he publicly announced his positions and angered a lot of Arizona conservatives by so doing. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:52, 5 December 2008 (EST)

:::::I well remember! We should have a libation one day and swap old stories. --[[User:TK|₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 17:58, 5 December 2008 (EST)
::::::I'll drink to that. I left Arizona this summer and we moved to Montana, but there's a bar and a casino on every corner here. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:01, 5 December 2008 (EST)

== [[French Revolution]] ==
Hey, I noticed you're doing a bit of work around this area, and as you seem to be the resident historian, I thought I'd volunteer my services here, so you're free to do other area's that need some touching up or expanding. If there's any articles or stubs in the French Revolution section that need to be fixed, just let me know. Thanks [[User:Bolly|Bolly]] 21:54, 8 December 2008 (EST)
::GREAT! we can use short articles on the major players and events. Suggestion use the facts from the online Columbia Encyclopedia at [http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/sitesearch?FILTER=col65&query=French+Revolution&x=0&y=0 Columbia Enyc srticles on French Rev.] -- it's very good. Be sure to summarize & rewrite the facts, not quote exactly. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 22:02, 8 December 2008 (EST)

:::OK I'll get right onto it. Thanks for the suggestion! [[User:Bolly|Bolly]] 22:05, 8 December 2008 (EST)

==Medieval Cats==
As the person who has probably edited more articles on medieval history in the last few months than all other editors put together (including six pages in the last hour or two, if I had been told that there was a new category for "Medieval history" I could have saved you a heckova lotta work.:) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:56, 26 December 2008 (EST)
::you're doing a great job and I've been trying to clean up all sorts of categories. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:58, 26 December 2008 (EST)
:::But are there any others I should know about? You see, on the 22nd I changed the cats of about 2 dozen English/British history entries. This new one could have been done at the same time. (And - just to let ''you'' know: I am thinking of starting a cat (sub-cat, whatever) for the "Wars of the Roses"....)[[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 17:16, 26 December 2008 (EST)
::::what I did was go though all the articles in Category:European History and change the specific ones to specific countries, or eras. That cleans up European History and makes the other sub categories more useful. yes' War of Roses" car would be good idea [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:44, 26 December 2008 (EST)

== Invitation to join Wikiproject:News ==

RJJensen, since you have contributed a wanted page in the past, you are invited to [[Wikiproject:News#Members|sign up]] as a member of [[Wikiproject:News]]. <nowiki>[[Wikiproject:News/Guidelines|Review]]</nowiki> the Guidelines. Make your news suggestions <nowiki>[[Wikiproject:News/Suggestions|here]]</nowiki>. Add wanted pages [[Wikiproject:News/Wanted_page#Wanted_Pages_for_.22In_the_news.22_section_-_To_be_created|here]]. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 10:04, 28 December 2008 (EST)
::thanks for the invite; i just signed up. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:07, 28 December 2008 (EST)

==Dutch History==
RJ (if I may call you that), I see that you have replaced the material on Dutch fascism in the 1930s. I'm pleased that this was done under a separate heading, but I am still concerned that this gives a misleading impression of Dutch politics at the time (an analogy might be an assessment of American politics in the 1930s which only mentioned Charles Coughlin and the German 'Bund'). Would it be possible for you to give an overview of mainstream Dutch politics at this time, as even the NSB was a fringe organisation. As it stands, the article presents the Netherlands as a quasi-fascist nation. As the grandson of a Dutch patriot active in the resistance in the war years, this is extremely hurtful. I also altered the reference to liberation by Canadian troops to one recognising the role of all the allied forces - including my father, in the British Army. Thank you. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 08:50, 31 December 2008 (EST)
::Thanks for the note. My intention all along is to emphasize the fascists were a fringe group. I'll rework it again to make that clear and give more emphasis to what the main parties were up to (following the Kossman book).[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:48, 31 December 2008 (EST)
:::Thank you very much. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 12:37, 31 December 2008 (EST)

== Happy New Year! ==

{{cquote|'''Cheers to a new year and another chance for us to get it right!'''--Oprah Winfrey}}
--[[User:TK|'''₮K''']][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 23:24, 31 December 2008 (EST)

== Congratulations! ==

Congratulations on your promotion to Sysop (Admin) status! This gives you many new privileges. Well deserved!--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 23:42, 31 December 2008 (EST)

:Indeed! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 00:12, 1 January 2009 (EST)
Congrats RJJensen. I look forward to working with you this year. Now you can protect all the great images you upload. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 01:31, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::hey THANKS EVERYBODY--I promise that 2009 will be better than 2008. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 04:10, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:::Well done RJJensen, you have been a prodigious contributor here and the promotion is deserved. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 05:47, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::::and many congratulations (and happy new year!) from me too. I look forward to working even closer with you this year. --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''ohayougozaimasu'']] 06:23, 1 January 2009 (EST)

::::: Congratulations! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 09:05, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Congrats and Happy New year! [[User:AddisonDM]]

::::: Happy New Year!

:::::: Congratulations on your promotion! --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 13:13, 4 January 2009 (EST)

==Tuskegee==
They were real. Can I suggest an undelete minus the parody?--Jpatt 20:41, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::they were indeed real. They did not fight the Japanese. Booker T Washington died many years before. The article has to be redone from start, since all the "facts" in this version are now suspect. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:57, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::: Following Jpatt's suggestion, I wrote a new article. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 22:49, 5 January 2009 (EST)
::::Looks fantastic--Jpatt 23:13, 5 January 2009 (EST)
:::::thanks :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:53, 5 January 2009 (EST)

==US Civil War==

Thanks for your massive additions (like [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=American_Civil_War_homefront&curid=84224&diff=603647&oldid=603640 this one]). How do you find the time to do so much writing? --
::hey THANKS. It's retirement --I used to spend all that good time in committees. Now I just write. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 10:55, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Protecting images ==

I protected a number of images you uploaded (Image:Sherman2.jpg, Image:Weyrich.jpg, Image:1900HA.jpg, Image:~HANNA96.jpg). Please remember our policy of protecting all images. Thanks for your contributions to Conservpedia. --[[User:DeanS|DeanStalk]] 11:42, 9 January 2009 (EST)
::thanks--I'll keep protecting them. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 03:19, 11 January 2009 (EST)

::: Thanks much for your insights. I've learned tremendously from them. However, as Dean says, it would be great if you could click "protect" at the bottom after you upload a new image, and then click on "Administrators Only" to give them the greatest protection. I just did that for your two most recent uploads. Thanks again.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:21, 12 January 2009 (EST)

== Third Party v Third Party System ==

Your opinion is sought! [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Third_Party_System#Merge.3F] --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:01, 13 January 2009 (EST)

== Democratic Governors category ==
There is already a [[:Category:Democrat Governors]]. If you are planning a move from that category to the new one, then please disregard this message. Otherwise, I wanted to catch you before you got halfway through. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 20:15, 28 January 2009 (EST)
::OK --it was my mistake (I have been trying to repair lost edits from the last week). [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:56, 29 January 2009 (EST)
:::Yeah, me too. I lost about 300 edits, including the lists of governors you were kind enough to add bibliologs to. [[User:WesleyS|WesleyS]][[User Talk:WesleyS|Hello!]] 11:36, 29 January 2009 (EST)

== Blago ==

I understand what your thinking is, RJ, but in this case you are too idealogical, and giving the liberals far too much credit. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:52, 29 January 2009 (EST)
::when we make serious allegations they have to be based on serious evidence or we are guilty of bearing false witness. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:50, 30 January 2009 (EST)

:::No,we are using plain old conservative common sense, RJ. The legislature didn't have evidence of anything, and until the United States Attorney presents his case in a Federal Court, and a jury convicts him, the will of the people should never be overturned by some legislature, based solely upon some contrived "disability" of being unpopular, having low poll numbers. If you don't want to cooperate, and accept the ruling of a senior administrator, so be it. But Mr. Schlafly has made his position crystal clear on this. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 01:14, 30 January 2009 (EST)
::::The rule throughout American history is that the legislature can impeach the executive for any reason. Conviction for crime is not necessary. What is the "will of the people"? The Founding Fathers were pretty clear that the will of the people resided in the legislature. My discussion with Schlafly was on an different issue; it had to do with the powers of the state supreme court to intervene (that is a moot question since it did not intervene).

== Economic Recovery Advisory Board ==

Is this an article you want to tackle, or perhaps have research or ancillary information on? --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 03:51, 7 February 2009 (EST)

:good idea. I just wrote [[Economic Recovery Advisory Board]]. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:50, 13 February 2009 (EST)

::Super! And I was just being nice making sure you could log in, never thinking once about this article I knew was needed....;-) Glad it worked out. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 01:27, 13 February 2009 (EST)

==Velikovsky==
Richard, I left a question for you on the [[Talk:Immanuel_Velikovsky|Velikovsky talk page]], regarding category tags. --[[User:Eric2009|Eric2009]] 08:36, 10 February 2009 (EST)

:I left another comment regarding yours, on the [[Talk:Immanuel_Velikovsky|Velikovsky talk page]], --[[User:Eric2009|Eric2009]] 12:25, 14 February 2009 (EST)

== Your edits to [[Scopes trial]] ==

Dr. Jensen, your recent edits to the [[Scopes trial]] delete important information and introduce unjustified statements, like calling the [[atheist]] and stridently anti-Christian [[H.L. Mencken]] a "cultural conservative." We can discuss further on [[Talk:Scopes trial]] if you like.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 08:40, 14 February 2009 (EST)
::Mencken is one of the most famous names in the history of American conservatism. He ignored the religious questions and ridiculed the backwoods types. That's true and important to know. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 08:42, 14 February 2009 (EST)

::: Mencken was one of worst anti-Christian bigots ever. It's indisputable and completely distorted his reporting on the Scopes trial. And it wasn't just Christians whom Mencken was bigoted against.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:01, 14 February 2009 (EST)
:::: all true enough but he was a cultural conservative and strongly influenced libertarian thinking against government--and many people's ridicule of the South. Bryan of course was the leading big government liberal of the 1890-1930 era, which made him Mencken's target.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 10:28, 14 February 2009 (EST)

This really should be discussed on the article's talk page, where I've just added my comments. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:15, 15 February 2009 (EST)

== Category: Naval Battles ==

I don't think that Horatio Nelson belongs in that category. He is an admiral, not a battle. [[User:DuncanB|Duncan]][[User talk:DuncanB|Channel 16]] 15:34, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::the article is what gets categorized, and the article talks about naval battles in an important way.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:35, 16 February 2009 (EST)

I am trying to figure out why Trafalgar didn't make it into [[:Category:Naval Battles]], at least not when I click on it.. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:36, 16 February 2009 (EST)
::well it certainly belongs! please add it. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:37, 16 February 2009 (EST)
:::What I was getting at was that although you had changed the cat to "Naval Battles", for some reason it wasn't showing up on the Cat. page. I deleted it on the Article then added it and it has now come up. A mystery. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 16:49, 16 February 2009 (EST)
:;::good job! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:12, 16 February 2009 (EST)

==Vandalism patrol==

RJ, thanks for your recent efforts to block vandals and undo their damage. I don't know why some people enjoy messing up other people's work. Maybe they are intellectually lazy. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 18:16, 17 February 2009 (EST)
::well at least we attact a better class of vandals than Wikipedia! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:28, 17 February 2009 (EST)

:::LOL, I think. ;-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 11:09, 18 February 2009 (EST)

==Criminals and folk heroes==

What about that [[Che Guevera]] guy? Why is it that people who say they care about the poor and the oppressed lionize (idolize, idealize) murderers like Che? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 11:14, 18 February 2009 (EST)

== Cartoon ==

That pork factory thingy is a nice cartoon, but I'm not sure about the "fair use". Wouldn't "fair use" be if we put the image in an article ''about the cartoon itself'', or in an article about a controversy caused by the image?

From the copyright office's website:

<blockquote>
“quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment; quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied; summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report; reproduction by a library of a portion of a work to replace part of a damaged copy; reproduction by a teacher or student of a small part of a work to illustrate a lesson; reproduction of a work in legislative or judicial proceedings or reports; incidental and fortuitous reproduction, in a newsreel or broadcast, of a work located in the scene of an event being reported.”
</blockquote>

I'm worried this might get the site into hot water.

Sincerely,
[[User:EMaurice|EMaurice]] 11:24, 19 February 2009 (EST)
::no educational use has ever gotten into any legal hot water by using items like this that have been posted on the internet for free. CP uses the cartoon to comment upon a current news event, which is a legally protected form of fair use according to Congress. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:41, 19 February 2009 (EST)

:::I'm not sure that the fact that no-one has been prosecuted for it means it's legal. If we go down that road, we'll be just like the bums who get into debt and then ask the taxpayer to help them, claiming they didn't know what they were doing. And as for using the cartoon to comment, how is that under fair use? Fair use would be for commenting about the cartoon itself. Every big newspaper has a free online section. Would the Washington Post accept the Washington Times copying one of their cartoonists? Do you see what I mean? Thanks, [[User:EMaurice|EMaurice]] 11:46, 19 February 2009 (EST)
::::Congress says that fair use applies to nonprofit educational use, and the courts have always agreed. The Washington Times is a commercial operation and different rules apply to them. (The worst case scenario is that the copyright owner asks us to remove the cartoon, and we do so.) Conservatives need to uphold their legal and constutional rights or they lose them. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:37, 19 February 2009 (EST)

== Parodists ==
It would seem we have two users in need of a lengthy block, and you appear to be the only one present with block rights. See Ed Poor's talk page please! [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 12:15, 21 February 2009 (EST)
::thanks for the heads-up. I'll be watching but so far I have not seen anthing more serious than a debate on chemistry. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:31, 21 February 2009 (EST)
:::The manganese edit was 100% wrong, so he's (KrisTree) a parodist. But everything which he's said about the other guy is actually pretty correct, and GFasten did indeed put up a stupid Bollywood video which was later reverted. [[User:ETrundel|ETrundel]] 12:34, 21 February 2009 (EST)
::::No the manganese edit was not 100% wrong (it is used in steel), and there is such a book as "Salters Chemistry". There may be errors but that is not the same as parody. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:37, 21 February 2009 (EST)

== The View From 1776...Tom Brewton ==

Presented for your inspection and consideration.....

* [http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/the_limitations_of_econometric_computer_models/ The Limitations of Econometric Computer Models]

* [http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/tooth_fairy_economics/ TOOTH FAIRY ECONOMICS]
--[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 06:42, 22 February 2009 (EST)
::Thanks-- I enjoyed reading that! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 08:51, 22 February 2009 (EST)

== Gibbs ==

Thank you, good Doctor! Whenever I read something where the basic, minimum essentials are missing, and people are already arguing over rather common political tricks, I see red. Thanks for jumping in, but let's not save the protagonists from having to do some due diligence as well, okay? --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 15:39, 3 March 2009 (EST)
::right! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:13, 3 March 2009 (EST)

== CENTRISTS CONCERNED ==

[http://www.thomasbrewton.com/index.php/weblog/centrists_concerned/] It’s noteworthy that political moderates who supported President Obama in the election are worried that they may have been misled, that traditionalists’ forebodings may have been on the mark. Amazing! ;-) --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:31, 6 March 2009 (EST)
::thanks for the tip. I don't see a connection between Obama and the Social Gospel Movement myself, and the Socialists of 1910 (who included just ONE Social Gospeller, an obscure professor at Vassar) wanted to destroy the banks, not subsidize them. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:35, 6 March 2009 (EST)
:::Email Tom...he's a nice chap. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:43, 6 March 2009 (EST)

==Pearl Harbor edit==
Had to revert your edit to Pearl Harbor. The Air Force did not exist until 1947; prior to that it was the U.S. Army Air Corps. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 21:02, 11 March 2009 (EDT)
::the name was changed in 1941 -- before Pearl Harbor--to US Army Air Forces. There was no longer an "Air Corps". [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:48, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

== Can you add Obama's ignorant, disgusting joke to the front page news? ==

Joke here: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXcgpZwsBPY]. Obama apologist Olbermann's desperate plea to comedian Craig Furgeson(sp?) to find an excuse - any excuse - to allow Obama to get away with the joke here: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD0EcujFSn8]. Note that Craig immediately recognizes the joke for what it is and doesn't give the kind of answer Olbermann was hoping for. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 12:15, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

:On the [[Jay Leno]] show, Obama quipped that his bowling score of 129 was "like the [[Special Olympics]] or something". My question was whether he was putting himself down (i.e., being humble) in an innocent, lighthearted way - or whether (as his detractors are eager to say) he was making a derogatory reference to handicapped people. [[Craig Ferguson]] grimaced and called the reference "a misstep". --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 12:43, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
:*I read later that he called up the Special Olympics and apologized - even before the show aired. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 23:22, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
:::That's called "damage control." [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 14:38, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

::::Beating him up for a slip like that is called A "[[personal attack]]". I would rather we contributors focus on principles and facts than on personalities. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 14:55, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

==Stimulus bill==

Thank you for continuing to work with me. My text moves are not to be taken as Editorial Prerogative. Feel free to reverse my edits when they don't make sense. What I want to do is collaborate, to work together to improve the article. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 17:53, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
::Ed--thanks for your stimulus to my thinking! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:54, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

:::LOL, there's a [[Volvo]] radio ad I've heard dozens of times which talks about "stimulating your stimulus". --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 17:58, 20 March 2009 (EDT)

==Featured article==
Congrats on getting a weekly featured article! The financial crisis.
[[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 11:22, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
::hey thanks! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:13, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

==A Glitch?==
This edit [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=John_Gresham_Machen&diff=644407&oldid=644405] looks like a glitch. --[[User:RickD|RickD]] 12:07, 25 March 2009 (EDT)
::yes my "oops" (I was trying to move the reflist). Thanks for the good work--Machen has never looked so good in the last 70 years. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:22, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

== World History Lectures ==

I really enjoy your contributions. In fact, reading them drove me to Conservapedia. Couldn't you do some fact-checking on the '''World History Lectures''' of Aschlafly? [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 15:56, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
::thanks for the nice words. I'll keep my eyes open. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:03, 26 March 2009 (EDT)
:::Could you shed some light on [http://conservapedia.com/Talk:World_History_Lecture_Nine#Prussia_vs._Germany this discussion?] Thanks! [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 12:13, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:::I suggest the best approach is to propose an improved sentence for the text. think positive. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:21, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks==
I see you've been doing some really good work this past week, and thanks! We need more editing like that. Great job. [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 23:03, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::HEY--thanks! :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:04, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

==Attribution==
Please endeavor to give proper attribution for the articles you are taking from Citizendium. A copy of our license is available on the front page of the site. Thank you. [[User:Citizendium|Citizendium]] 15:47, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

*'''He does, and was the original author of the items he has placed here.''' I was unaware, "Citizendium", you are a German encyclopedia, being that is where your ISP is located. Another fraud/troll bites the dust. Bye. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 18:57, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

==Historian?==

Are you really Richard Jensen? I read your midwest book when I was younger (If indeed you are) [[User:JamesFerguson|JamesFerguson]] 16:32, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::yes. I wrote it when I was 24 years old. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:33, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

==Democrats and casual sex==

Jensen, I noticed that you deleted [[Democrats and casual sex|this article]], citing "inappropriate content". While I certainly find the actions of the Democrats to be inappropriate, I don't find the content of the article to be inappropriate. It was written without going into the lewd details of the online solicitations, but with enough evidence to incriminate the Democrats. Hard data doesn't lie: the Democratic convention had that spike in postings, while the RNC, which happened ''after'' and thus was under more scrutiny, did not have the spike in postings. It's a black and white testament to who actually lives family values, and therefore who has the family values in mind. Democrats may talk all they want about upholding morals, but their actions, ''especially'' those done in secret, tell a completely different story, one replete with [[duplicity]].

Furthermore, I'd argue precedent: this content has been listed in the articles on the [[2008 Democratic National Convention]] for some time. When I created the standalone article, I was pleasantly surprised to find the content had already been dutifully reported on CP. If you would, could you please restore the article? -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 16:00, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

::tens of thousands of people attend major conventions, so they all generate huge amounts of business. Not encyclopedic. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:19, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

:::I agree with Jensen. Pot/Kettle? Given the sex scandals that have and continue to hit both parties, singling out one of them is not the best road to go down..... --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 19:31, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
:::tk is ok. We have lots of middle school kids and tehy shouldn't be wasting their time on this stuff when they can read about Henry VIII. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 20:11, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

== Kingdom of the Netherlands ==

Could you move [[Kingdom of the Netherlands]] to the [[Netherlands]]? (See [[Talk:The_Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands#The_Kingdom_of_the_Netherlands_is_not_the_Netherlands.21|here]]) Thanks, [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 13:24, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::ok--good idea. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:04, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Thanks again! [[User:ClementB|Clement ♗]] 14:30, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

== Arguing only.... ==

This: [http://www.conservapedia.com/World_History_Lecture_Nine] is exactly what I was talking about. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 17:42, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

== Pilgrim's Progress ==

Hi - sorry to bother. When you edited [[Pilgrim's Progress]] earlier, did the images load ok? For some reason I am only seeing an empty frame, yet the code looks correct and I am about to pull my hair out figuring out what is wrong! --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''nandeyanen?'']] 09:03, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
::the images did not load --probably because they are too big. I can resize them now if you want. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:12, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I would really appreciate that! Thank you so much. (I know it is a physical impossibility, but it seems I too have blonde moments *grin*) --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''nandeyanen?'']] 09:17, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
::::yes it works! (I made the map smaller) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:37, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Thank you again! That is one I owe you. --[[User:JessicaT|KotomiT]][[User talk:JessicaT|''nandeyanen?'']] 09:49, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

== Fake Quotes ==
I will no longer use BrainyQuote.com, publishers of fake quotes. Thanks for the correction.--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 11:05, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
::good idea. it's weird how so many quotes get faked these days. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:30, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

== Internet Vandals ==

Some of these anti-intellectual vandals and trolls were having some fun at your expense, Richard. If you've gotten wind of it, or hear of it at some point, pay it no mind. Mainly just a group of malcontented trolls who frequent several sites, and of course the usual gang of young teen vandals all too common to the Internet. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 20:28, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
::thanks--yes they do get under my skin :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:30, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

:::Oh, BTW:
<blockquote>
Lending at the biggest U.S. banks has fallen more sharply than realized, despite government efforts to pump billions of dollars into the financial sector.

According to a Wall Street Journal analysis of Treasury Department data, the biggest recipients of taxpayer aid made or refinanced 23% less in new loans in February, the latest available data, than in October, the month the Treasury kicked off the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

The total dollar amount of new loans declined in three of the four months the government has reported this data." [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124019360346233883.html#mod=rss_whats_news_us]
</blockquote>
--[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:33, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
::thanks for the tip. I'll keep updating the article. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:42, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

== Great effort ==

Great effort cleaning up the vandalism this morning! You might observe that vandalism is almost perfectly correlated with products of the political left.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:51, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::thanks. they are nettlesome gnats. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:54, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== Redneck ==

Perhaps it would be more accurate to state it was historically a derogatory term, but that since the late 1950's it has been co-opted by the targets of the term, and in modern usage it isn't necessarily viewed as a negative? Think Jeff Foxworthy, etc. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 16:03, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::good point! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:18, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

:::Thanks, Richard! I remember that cartoon, too! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 16:45, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::::It's one of my favorites. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:51, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

== [[Socialism]] ==

RJ, when you get a moment, could you look at [http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Socialism#Grammatical_Edit_and_Rebuttal this?] The editor wants to add what he feels is a needed rebuttal to what he feels is something too pro-socialist...I don't see what he's getting at, but do want to accommodate him if possible. Since most of the work there is now yours, I am deferring to your judgment. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:12, 1 May 2009 (EDT)
::OK I worked on it. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:09, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

== Lenin ==

Hey RJJensen, so, you're ''much'' better at history than I am, but I do feel compelled to ask about your moving of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin to Lenin (I put the full reasons on the talk page) - simply because I feel precedent would have us use his full name, but the reason I'm posting here is just to clarify that I in no way mean to question you and the request is in no way meant as an insult - I have a lot of respect for you and I just want to make sure there won't be a misunderstanding. Thanks!--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 15:20, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
::thanks for the note--no offense taken and i'm glad you asked disguise his identity and so it should not be treated like ordinary names. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:42, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Understood - thanks very much! --[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 15:47, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

Lol, sorry about the misspelled name! I can't believe I did that ... in all seriousness though it really is awesome to work with you - so if you ever need a template or anything done, lemme know.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 23:25, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
::hey thanks--I'm a klutz at progamming and appreciate the help. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:31, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

== Quotes ==
Trying to determine if a quote is a fake. I tried Google, it comes up everywhere with blogs only. I tried Google books, about 5 come up. I would think credible historical sites would list if true. Can you confirm Thomas Jefferson "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 15:02, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
::I searched around and it appears to be a fake. All genuine Jefferson quotes are well represented in books.google.com [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:20, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

== "the best"? ==

What constitutes the best prose writer? I would imagine that it is impossible to say in a way that does not involve a whole lot of personal opinion, which as you know is not the kind of objective fact you would expect to find in an encyclopedia. From what I gather you yourself are not an Italian literature scholar, and even if you can read Italian extremely well and have read a good deal of Italian prose I really don't think you can say "he is the best", simply because, as I just said, its subjective. thanks --[[User:MrEmerson|MrEmerson]] 20:48, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::objective fact---hmmm. what sort of facts are those? [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:13, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

:::I suspect liberal "facts", RJ. What is indisputeable is he wasn't a very good sockmaster! Brendanw, EmersonW, MrEmerson and several accounts that look like IP's were all his. Sorry to ruin your fun with this guy...I didn't see you had engaged him until after I had begun shutting him down. Next time I will let you have fun with them! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 21:23, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::::yeah--my goal is to drive them away redfaced and yours is to catch them red-handed (red moused?) :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:30, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

ROFL! Whatever happened to the apparently archaic practice of playing outside? Worries me these little kids no longer play outside.... --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 21:33, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::on Wikipedia I once was so annoyed by vandals that I complained to the school's principal in New Jersey. since they weren't harrassing HIM, he ignored my complaint. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:46, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

:::Sherry Lansing, once in the motion picture business, has lived her business life by one rule: she never leaves the office without returning, or attempting to return ALL calls. No matter that she doesn't know the person, or they end up being someone complaining about a movie they saw. Once, at a charity deal, I asked her why. She winked and said several of those calls had made her millions in good ideas or a writer looking for someone to buy their script. She just hated the thought of being rude and not responding, saying her mother raised her better than that. Sounds like that principal is reaping what he sows. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:47, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

==Revert==
Please revert User:ForTheWin's edits (I would myself, but I can't revert past one edit :(

==Thanks==
Thanks for the nice comments on my page! I am very excited for Princeton in the fall. I'll also definitely look up Liz Jensen - aerospace engineering, wow, that's great! I am considering engineering also, with mechanical/aerospace engineering near the top of my list. --[[User:PhyllisS|PhyllisS]] 21:56, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::you might have Liz as your TA -- she loves to teach. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 22:04, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

== Upload ==

Can you give me upload picture rights?--  † [[User:FellowChristian16|Fellow]][[User talk:FellowChristian16|Christian]][[Special:Contributions/FellowChristian16|16]]  00:42, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
::I don't have the power; ask [[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]].--[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:47, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Just out of curiosity, would you give it to me if you could?--  † [[User:FellowChristian16|Fellow]][[User talk:FellowChristian16|Christian]][[Special:Contributions/FellowChristian16|16]]  01:01, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

== Austria ==

Hello RJJensen. Just wanted to let you know that you mistakenly moved the picture of Stephansdom in Passau over to the page on Austria. Living in Austria myself, I can attest that Passau is indeed in Germany, and Vienna's Stephansdom looks nothing like this picture! [[User:JDWpianist|JDWpianist]] 08:33, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
::thanks for that. my mistake. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:59, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

== Excuse me, sir! ==

Sir, you seem to be an in-charge-type around here. This being so, could you inform me how to upload images, as I can't find the button that I am so used to using on other wikis.--[[User:Woloct|Woloct]] 00:17, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

== Furthermore... ==

What's more, the page D.C.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=D.C&redirect=no] is currently locked, and yet it's only a double-redirect. Could you, as an admin, fix this? Thank you.--[[User:Woloct|Woloct]] 00:23, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

And while we're on the topic, [[President Harry S. Truman]] [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=President_Harry_S._Truman&redirect=no] has the same problem. Poor Harry.
Thanks again.--[[User:Woloct|Woloct]] 00:26, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
:: technical pages (like the Truman and DC examples) should not be altered. To request a picture upload goto [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:31, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Thank you for the response! While we're on the topic, [http://www.conservapedia.com/Gary_glitter] is completely devoid of content. Could you unlock it or, preferably, destroy it?--[[User:Woloct|Woloct]] 00:35, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

::::I could partially fix a few. However, the Truman article is problematic inasmuch as it should be titled "Harry S. Truman" not "Harry Truman". Lots of links, however, so I will work on changing them and moving the main article. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 00:38, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

==Silly stuff==

Could you check Gianni's contribs? [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/Gianni] I think a lot of it is just random silliness. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 18:09, 19 May 2009 (EDT)
::I was just looking at those. agreed. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:10, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

== Plymouth Brethren ==

This article wasn´t accepted by liberal wikipedia, why you refuse it in Conservapedia, please give reasons.

== Conservapedia:Featured articles ==

Any proposal for new articles? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 19:45, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::how about [[Atlanta]]. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 03:58, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

::: Done, now you may vote. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 08:32, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism==

Please revert my bad joke (see [[Counter Reformation]]). --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 08:44, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Oh, so you '''are''' awake ;-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 09:00, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::well I make too many typos when I write in my sleep, so I have a stiff cup of coffee right now. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 09:04, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

==new article==
Maybe you can add some historical background to my new article [[Melting pot]]. If so, thanks! [[User:AddisonDM|AddisonDM]] 22:24, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
::yes...it's a favorite topic of mine. Thanks for getting it started! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 05:12, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

== Labour Pary ==

*Why do you keep vandalizing my correction on the "Labour Party" article. Stop it! The Labour Party IS a socialist party. The party officially describes itself as "democratic socialist." And by the way, Tony Blair has never officially renounced socialism. American conservatives need to get over this ridiculous idea that just because Blair supported the War on Terror that means he is a conservative. He's not! --- [[User:AmerICan|AmerICan]] 19:00, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::take it to the talk page first or you will get banned for vandalism. Thanks. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:01, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks! ==

Thanks for your helpful corrections to my new pages for the Obama czars! I'm new here, and looks like I went a bit overboard with the speculation into non-neutrality -- my summaries were written more as an anti-wikipedia than as truly neutral articles. I'll try to be more neutral in the future!
::and thank you for taking the initiative! [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 00:44, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

==Lusitania==
Whay are you insistant on hiding any information on the cargo of that ship, and why are you removing historical information? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:05, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::CP should condemn terrorism against helpless civilians, as all the world did at the time. The Germmans are the ones who tried to justify their actions, but they sank an unarmed undefended passenger ship deliberately in order to terrify the British. I added the German captain's own war diary account, which gives the German perspective. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:09, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, I agree, and I would have posted the sub's war diary as well if and when I found it, but the fact remains that you have removed needed material from the article. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:11, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::well what historical material do you think should be included? [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:22, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::The past and present allegations pertaining to its munitions cargo and the current archaeological findings as reported in ''Archaeology'' Magazine and others; pertinent information regarding its passengers, sailing date, and final moments off Ireland; the German warnings in the New York Times, its declaration of the war zone around the British Isles, and its belief that ''Lusitania'' was carrying war cargo; current condition of the ship, the attempted destruction of the wreck by the British Government in the 1950's, and the case involving the owners of the wreck vs. the Irish Government...in short, just about everything. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 12:31, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::most of the info is in there. There should be a separate section on archaeology (which is ongoing--Wiki has some of the details). The "munitions" bit is a red herring that Germans used to justify killing innocent Americans. We need to keep an American perspective, not that of the discredited Kaiser's government that used terrorism and war crimes routinely. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:37, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Read what I posted here [http://www.conservapedia.com/File:Lusitania_warnings.png][http://www.conservapedia.com/File:WashingtonpostMay8_1915.jpg]; period newspaper reports from the Washington Post which suggest that ''Lusitania's'' captain scoffed at the danger from Germany. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 13:04, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::yes the ship shouild have been zig-zagging as ordered. not a good reason to kill americans. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:15, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
So, would a discussion of illegal arms shipments by the Wilson administration in contrast to the [[Iran contra affair]] be innappropriate? [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 20:02, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::No, not true and not appropriate. and please if you insist on showing bias at least make it a pro-American bias, not anti-American. Better yet is no bias using the best scholarship. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 20:38, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Is being critical of Iran contra anti-American bias? [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 20:41, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::left wing biases are unwelcome here.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 20:59, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Not necessarily so, solong as they are cited as such. Under those circumstances, they provide balance. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:02, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

==Let's cut to the chase==
Here's the biggest problem you have to deal with: the Founder of the Roosevelt Presidential Library, [[Trude Lash]], was a [[Stalinist]] [[KGB]] operative. How do you propose we deal with this? [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 00:34, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::I was at the fdr Library last week and talked to the archivist personally. What's the problem? [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 07:35, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

:::I'm still working on the Trude Lash material, you'll have to give me at least a few days. Incidentally, did you ever see this one at Hyde Park:
::::5. Joseph A. Michela, Military Attache Moscow Report 1903, "N.K.V.D. of the U.S.S.R.," 14 April 1941, Franklin D. Roosevelt Library, Harry Hopkins Papers, "MID Reports--USSR--Volume V," box 190.
:::all six pages [https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/venona-soviet-espionage-and-the-american-response-1939-1957/part1.htm available here] [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:28, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
Excerpted p.5:
:''Any governmental organization that has a crying need for labor simply calls upobn the N.K.V.D to supply it. If the amount of labor is insufficient to supply the need, it is relatively an easy matter to institute a reign of terror on any pretext and fill up the labor colonies to meet requirements. There is little doubt that during the purges of the past, one eye was kept on the labor needs of government projects...."'' [https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/venona-soviet-espionage-and-the-american-response-1939-1957/5d.gif]
That's only a random selection, there's much more. And this is dated six months before Pearl Harbor. Many Americans had to wait till the 1970s and Solzhenitsyn's book to hear of this. All our reliable sources told us up til then was Harry and Uncle Joe got on like a "house of fire." [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:40, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

::I did not see that particular document but I did see others like it. FDR founded the FDR Library, not Trude Lash. The FDR Library received the FDR papers only after FDR died--there were no secret documents there during the war years.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:06, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:::FDR founded the library? Where the papers his personal property when he did so? [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 14:59, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::The archivist told me that FDR raised $400,000 in 1940 to build the library on his property at Hyde park. He deeded it to the federal government. Since his death the government (National Archives) has owned and operated it; they moved his papers there in the late 1940s. Trude Lash her Joseph Lash husband years later set up a separate private FDR institute that runs academic programs. I'm not sure about Trude's politics but her husband Joseph Lash was the leading ANTI-Communist in student affairs in 1939 when he met Eleanor and they became close friends. Eleanor strongly encouraged Joe's marriage to Trude in 1944. Joe Lash and ER were key leaders of the anti-communist movement in the US in the late 1940s.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:07, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:::::That structure, the government holding the deed to the FBI Library would then be different from other Presidential libraries under current law. So this is what you've been told.
:::::Two points. Let's clarify, (a) [[Joseph Lash]] was an anti-communist? even Wikipedia cites Joseph Lash heading a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_front#Alleged_CPUSA_front_organizations.2C_circa_1944 Communist front organization]] on the [[Attorney General]]'s list in 1944 (Attorney General Francis Biddle, that is. M.Stanton Evens says the FDR administration established this list in 1941).
:::::(b) were the FDR papers, moved to his personal residence, considered FDR's personal property? This obviously relates to Nixon taking a tax deduction for the donation of his vice-presidential papers, seeing that by precedent, FDR & Lyndon Johnson's papers were regarded as thier personal property. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 15:39, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

::::::Lash had been a fellow traveler in the 1930s, broke with the Communists in 1939, and became the #1 anti-communist student leader. (he resigned from the Am. Youth Congress in 1940 when the reds took it over.) He later was a founder of the ADA, the leading anti-communist group in the late 1940s. FDR did not consider the presidential papers to be his personal property, but he did have many non-presidential papers. (For example, his widow sold off his stamp collection.) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:11, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

::::::::Really? our sources say [[American_Youth_Congress#Dies_investigation| he defected from the Socialist Party]] to the Comintern in 1937 (the source being none other than himself <s>Trude Lash</s>). And that still doesn't explain how he ends up on the wartime [[Attorney General's list]] of [[subversive]] organizations. If memory serves me correct, there were only a dozen or so subversive organizations when the list began under FDR in 1941, of which Joe Lash's [[American Youth Congress]] is one. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 17:06, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:::::::::ER Encylopedia says: ''"the Soviet Union signed a nonaggression pact with Germany in August 1939. Led by Joseph Lash, a founder and executive secretary of the ASU, a number of members condemned the Soviet action. Although communists were a minority of the ASU, by this time they held a majority of the leadership positions and exerted powerful control over the organization’s national board. Communist ASU officers condemned Lash for his views, organized a successful campaign to vote him out of office, and adopted a communist, anti–New Deal, isolationist position."'' (p 15) It notes that most members then quit the ASU and many joined the new anti-communist International Student Service (ISS) which Lash headed. Lash was not on the Attorney General's list because it only listed organizations--it named groups that Lash had quit or been expelled from years before. SEE [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,763168,00.html TIME story Jan 8 1940] [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:36, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::So the time has come to do a [[Joe Lash]] bio; this has been on my to-do list for many years.... [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 17:52, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::yes, he's interesting. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 17:59, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==-SDA page==

The SDA page is now well written and informative, (good writer) and though i think the controversies as well as the changes from the 1950's interaction are important (the apologetics index link helped), i am sorry you got some of the overflow of my grief from the original condition.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 13:49, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::thanks--I'm glad that we're agreed [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:00, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

== Random Question ==
Are you the same R. J. Jensen that studied the fallacy of the NINA signs!?!? If you are I admire your work!!--[[User:IScott|IScott]] 09:57, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::thanks--that's me. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:40, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Wow! I was absolutely fascinated by that article! My son showed the article to his liberal history teacher who was preaching the victimization of the Irish. Your work brought him the truth and converted him! He now teaches the fallacy of the NINA signs!--[[User:IScott|IScott]] 23:19, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::delighted to hear that. I still get ^%%$^ everry March 17 from poor victims. :) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 23:33, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Haha! Oh the Irish! Always the "victims" of something!

== Featured articles ==

Your help is needed. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 20:47, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== on vacation ==

I've been on the road the last few weeks with limited time and limited access to internet. I'll be back in early August.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 21:41, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

: I am also out of town; hope you could have some time to give your opinion over future featured articles. Good luck and nice vacations. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez|Joaquín Martínez]] 21:44, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== Obamunism ==

RJ, I certainly agree with you that Bush's bailouts were bad for the American economy. However, to add Bush in a sentence I was just working on in the article made the sentence far too long and complicated so I removed the material about Bush being involved in corporate bailouts. I also think that since the article is about Obamamunism, the article should first focus on Obama. With that being said, I certainly would not object to any material added to the article about Bush's corporate bailouts, but I think it should be done later in the article. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 02:08, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
::ok [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 02:11, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

== quick note bush vs. Obama bailouts ==

It is true that Bush initiated the corporate bailout process. However, I do not know if it could be said that Bush did far more bailing out in terms of magnitude of dollars spent, so I abridged your material. However, if you can show that the magnitude of Bush bailout expenditures exceeded Obama's, I certainly would not want to obscure or hide this matter. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 02:25, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

== libertarian vs. conservative republicans ==

Conservative republicans and libertarians were opposed to bush bailouts, but I know they two camps differ on social issues like abortion so i altered the sentence to just mention the phrase advocates of free market capitalism. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 02:30, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
:agreed.

::I added the $ details. TARP is the #1 bailout program--demanded by Bush and signed by him in Oct 2008--at $700 billion. That money covers the banks and GM bailouts, for example. In addition Bush gave guarantees for hundreds of billions of toxic assets for AIG, Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac (as well as some banks like Wachovia and Washington Mutual)--how much of the guarantee $$$$ actually will be spent is a big unknown as of today. Some specific details are at [[Financial Crisis of 2008]]. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 02:34, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

== request ==

RJJensen,

I know that the libertarians have been very active on the economic freedom front in the USA as far as educating the public. Peter Schiff, Gerald Celente (although he does not call himself a libertarian, I believe he is as far as his outlook), and the Ludwig von Mises Institute come to mind.

I am guessing you are a libertarian and I think August could be an important month as far as future economic freedom in the USA as Obama does not want to be defeated on the health care issue which will cause him to lose political momentum among other things.

Would you be interested in creating these articles:

[[Obama admistration deficit spending]]

[[Obama administration corporate bailouts]]

[[Obama administration fiscal policy]]

[[Obama admistration monetary policy]]

Please let me know if you are interested as your assistance would be appreciated.[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 04:45, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Can you delete==

On the wanted pages i noticed ‎49 links to a "Zachary Robeson", and like you, i can find no such person, but this name is yet listed in the Famous Explorers section of apparently 49 pages. Can you somehow do a mass delete of this? I surmise it was designed with ill intent. Thanks[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 11:24, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::I can't find any link to him. ?? [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:37, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think he's right: [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Zachary_Robeson]]. It looks like the link is always in the Famous Explorers box at the bottom, so I'm guessing it only needs to be changed once, I just don't know where to do it. --[[User:MarkGall|MarkGall]] 13:45, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::::OK i deleted it. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:49, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Thanks RJ and Daniel! It was yet another hidden bit of vandalism/lies inserted by blocked user BrianCo when he created the template originally. There have been several of the same removed since I blocked him, serving as vindication for me of just what and who he was; BrianCo is a proved liar and troll. Any previous edits by this discredited user from a vandal site, should be given a thorough going over whenever you come across them. --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 15:23, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

:Actually, Zachary Robeson was a parody article created by the blocked user Czolgolz. I reported it some time ago and it was [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=RJJensen&page=&year=&month=-1 deleted] by RJJensen. --[[User:OscarJ|OscarJ]] 15:34, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

:*'''''Actually, OscarJ,''''' the template, the navigation template, was made by the liar BrianCo, who kept that article alive for months. Upon Daniel posting here, Dr. Jensen also removed the false article created by Czolgolz, a member of the very same vandal site as BrianCo, from the navigation template. But it was indeed BrianCo who added that false article to the template. Please refrain from trying to present confirmed vandals and liars like BrianCo in a positive light here. Disinformation isn't tolerated. Godspeed to you! --[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:20, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

:::Good work. But now even the White house is looking for reports on anything fishy.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 16:01, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Persons in the Bible==
Hi again. I created a page for Hoshea (high priest), as it was listed in the [[Special:WantedPages]], but i think it really should be Joshua the high priest, (Zec. 3:1) which the page i made is about, as i find no list that positively ID's Hoshea as a high priest, or renders Yehoshua by that name (the two are different in Hebrew), though i could be wrong. Also wanted was a page on Jehoirarib, which i made, but which i think is a misspelling of Jehoiarib (one 'r'), which again is who the page is about. I think all the calls for these two wanted pages are due to their being part of a template. Thanks and praise God. [[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 23:05, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::OK I Can fix that. exactly what should I do???

:::I would change the Hoshea to Joshua the high priest, and Jehoirarib to Jehoiarib in the template used for [[High_Priest]]. Yet that page is really about the [[High priest]], which itself is a non-existent, wanted page, and so maybe the latter title should take the place of the former. You might see the competition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_High_Priests_of_Israel. In addition, i cannot find any reference to a Joran at all, and that is listed on that template. Perhaps you can find out who made that. The rest look ok for now.

:::Also (if that is not confusing enough), among other issues which pertain to Biblical topics, fornication is a requested page(9 pages red link to it), as it was deleted due to vandalism. I recently incorporated the Biblical definition into the [[sex]] article, so either that could serve as a redirect or i could create a page with that in it, but which should afterward be protected. Maybe you could do one on [[Vice President]] ‎(12 links) some time. Thanks.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 18:35, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

:::More research shows that Jotham is most doubtful as being a high priest. Not as the youngest son of Gideon, nor as the son of King Uzziah (who intruded into the priests office) WP does have Jotham in its list of high priests, supposing he was the son of Azariah, who was a high priest (son of Zadok), but in this case his father was actually Uzziah, who was sometimes referred to as Azariah (Jerushah) as the name means the same. The last reference is to a descendant of Judah, son of Jahdai. 1Ch_2:47). "of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood." (Heb. 7:14)

:::I have tracked down the apparent source of these names, via a reference in the page to Axiomar by JY23: http://www.angelfire.com/ego/et_deo/highpriests.wps.htm No source is provided for this extensive list, and i will email him for more info. Best hold off on any changes till further notice. Sorry for the confusion.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 10:49, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
::::oK --it's too uncertain now to make changes so I will wait till you're satisfied. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:32, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

:::: Gentlemen, I think you have the wrong Hoshea. The Hoshea that I was planning to discuss was the immediate successor to Azariah III; he served under [[Manasseh King of Judah]]. The other Joshua served alongside governor Zerubbabel during the reign of the Persian king Darius I.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]][[User talk:TerryH|Talk]] 08:53, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::There are three by that name or (Oshea), but the problem is i could not find any that were verifiably a high priest, and the template it listed him as such, along with Jotham. I did get a brief email back (8-10) from the author of the page where this list evidently came from, but all he said was, "you ask the source for the genealogies of the high-priests, well, it was contained in the abbreviated version of "Joshua" [aka Jesus; Yahweh] - the title is in two volumes", and my request for more precise info has been ignored so far. Would have responded sooner but CP editing was locked for some time, as is too often the case.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 23:04, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

==Scottsboro boys==
Do you have anything on the [[Scottsboro boys]] or alternatively [[Scottsboro case]]; this appears to be an important articlew we'll need. I found an img. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 19:11, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::it was moderately important to the left in the 1930s. I'll draft a short article--thanks for the tip.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 20:17, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::The Scottsboro case is what motivated many prominent African-Americans of the era to join up with the CPUSA, as the CPUSA entry suggests; and of course we may need to comment on [[FDR]]'s refusal to back an anti-lynching law. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 20:28, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

== cross-posting from Citizendium ==

Hello RJ!

I am currently in the process of writing articles for Citizendium on some of the great works of literature. I will be concentrating on those works which are most typically part of a high school reading or curriculum program. Both CZ and CP, it seems to me, are in serious need of a much greater breadth and/or depth of information on such literature than they presently possess.

Unless there is some problem with it, I would propose to cross-post my work yo both CZ and CP.

A current sample is [[The Call of the Wild]], just posted here a few minutes ago. I am currently working on ''The Time Machine'', have an article on ''The New Atlantis'' (by Francis Bacon). In the works is ''Little Women'' and many others. The articles will likely consist solely of brief intros followed by plot summaries. Some analysis or commentary would still need to be added, but the plot summary is a start.

[[User:JFPerry|JFPerry]] 10:57, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
::good start!--please keep it up. there is no problem about crossposting from Citizendium (because its authors keep their copyright).[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:01, 16 August 2009 (EDT)

==NY Times==

Are you the Robert Jensen spoken of in this ''New York Times'' article? [http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/07/the-indiana-jones-of-economics-part-iii/] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 16:22, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::no relation. I do have a brother Robert Jensen--he's a retired gun dealer in Arizona--but the NY Times is writing about someone else. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 16:24, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Categorization and labelling==

Please stop categorizing political people. Leave it to others, particularly senior admins, to decide whether someone is conservative, libertarian, or liberal. There's no point arguing over this sort of thing. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 16:47, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

==Chesterton edits==

I'm somewhat puzzled by your edits to the G.K. Chesterton article. While he was, by his own description, "orthodox", he certainly wasn't a Conservative. I have a digital anthology of his letters here with me (it is read-only, by the way) and to quote from an April, 1924 copy of the ILN, he said: "''The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.''" I believe to describe oneself, if at all, through religious terms rather than political terms is and was an admirable trait, and we should continue that, when the subject and the source are one and the same regarding the analysis of his philosophies. [[User:MICasey|MICasey]] 17:26, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::some good points and I will chew on them. I was following Russell Kirk, the leading historian of conservatism, who considers GKC a major conservative intellectual. the National Review's Bill Buckley was also a great admirer[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:48, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Thank you for your consideration. Many scholars have described him as essentially "Catholic in his heart, and Conservative in his brain", to paraphrase. So perhaps a description of being a man whose practicality and sentimentality were aligned, and whose views have gained acceptance from many modern Conservatives. Feel free to include the snippet about William F. Buckley as well. Chesterton was very honest about his intellectual forebears, so it would be good to continue the, say, philosophical family tree. I leave the matter of editing and wording entirely in your hands. [[User:MICasey|MICasey]] 19:28, 5 September 2009 (EDT)

==Suggestions==
# Block [[User:EMC|EMC]]
# Archive your talk page a little. Anything older than 2 months should do us some good.
::[[User:JacobI|JacobI]] [[User_talk:JacobI|Φιχινγ Θινγσ]] 00:37, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

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The '''Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil''' appears in the [[Christian]] [[Bible]] as a key element in [[the fall]] of man from [[God]]'s grace. When God created [[Adam]] in the [[Garden of Eden]] he gave him permission to eat from any tree except that of the Tree of Knowledge.

''Genesis2:17 But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat. For in what day soever thou shalt eat of it, thou shalt die the death. <ref>http://www.newadvent.org/bible/gen002.htm</ref>''

But Adam did eat the fruit of the tree and was cast out of paradise.

The Bible does not really say what sort of tree it was, but it is historically portrayed as an apple tree.

==References==
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[[Category:Bible]]

Christianity

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Second Epistle to the Corinthians (Translated)

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==Chapter 1==

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| Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia
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| Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
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| Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
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| Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
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| But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away
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| How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
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| For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
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| For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
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| For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
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| Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech
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| And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished
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| But their minds were blinded for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
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| But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
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| Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
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| Now the Lord is that Spirit and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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| But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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==Chapter 4==

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| Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
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| But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
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| But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost
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| In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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| For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
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| For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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| But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
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| We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
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| Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
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| Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
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| For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.
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| So then death worketh in us, but life in you.
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| We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
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| Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
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| For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.
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| For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.
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| For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;
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| While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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==Chapter 5==

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| For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
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| For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven
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| If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
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| For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
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| Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
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| Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord
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| (For we walk by faith, not by sight)
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| We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
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| Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.
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| For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
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| Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
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| For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.
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| For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God| or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.
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| For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead
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| And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
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| Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
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| Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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| And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
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| To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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| Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
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| For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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==chapter 6==

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| We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
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| (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
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| Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed
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| But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
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| In stripes, in imprisonments, in tumults, in labours, in watchings, in fastings;
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| By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
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| By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,
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| By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report| as deceivers, and yet true;
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| As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed;
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| As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
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| O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.
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| Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.
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| Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.
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| Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
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| And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
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| And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
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| Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
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| And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
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==Chapter 7==

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| Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
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| Receive us; we have wronged no man, we have corrupted no man, we have defrauded no man.
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| I speak not this to condemn you for I have said before, that ye are in our hearts to die and live with you.
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| Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
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| For, when we were come into Macedonia, our flesh had no rest, but we were troubled on every side; without were fightings, within were fears.
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| Nevertheless God, that comforteth those that are cast down, comforted us by the coming of Titus;
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| And not by his coming only, but by the consolation wherewith he was comforted in you, when he told us your earnest desire, your mourning, your fervent mind toward me; so that I rejoiced the more.
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| For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season.
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| Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
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| For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
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| For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
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| Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, I did it not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear unto you.
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| Therefore we were comforted in your comfort yea, and exceedingly the more joyed we for the joy of Titus, because his spirit was refreshed by you all.
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| For if I have boasted any thing to him of you, I am not ashamed; but as we spake all things to you in truth, even so our boasting, which I made before Titus, is found a truth.
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| And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye received him.
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| I rejoice therefore that I have confidence in you in all things.
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==Chapter 8==

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| Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;
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| How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.
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| For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves;
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| Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.
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| And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.
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| Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also.
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| Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.
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| I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
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| For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
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| And herein I give my advice for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago.
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| Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.
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| For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
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| For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened
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| But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want that there may be equality
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| As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.
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| But thanks be to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you.
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| For indeed he accepted the exhortation; but being more forward, of his own accord he went unto you.
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| And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;
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| And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind
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| Avoiding this, that no man should blame us in this abundance which is administered by us
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| Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.
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| And we have sent with them our brother, whom we have oftentimes proved diligent in many things, but now much more diligent, upon the great confidence which I have in you.
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| Whether any do inquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you or our brethren be inquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ.
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| Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.
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==Chapter 9==

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| For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you
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| For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many.
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| Yet have I sent the brethren, lest our boasting of you should be in vain in this behalf; that, as I said, ye may be ready
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| Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.
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| Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness.
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| But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
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| Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity for God loveth a cheerful giver.
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| And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work
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| (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor his righteousness remaineth for ever.
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| Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
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| Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
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| For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;
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| Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men;
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| And by their prayer for you, which long after you for the exceeding grace of God in you.
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| Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.
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==Chapter 10==

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| Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you
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| But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
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| For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh
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| (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
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| Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
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| And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
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| Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? If any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's.
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| For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed
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| That I may not seem as if I would terrify you by letters.
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| For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.
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| Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.
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| For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
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| But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.
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| For we stretch not ourselves beyond our measure, as though we reached not unto you| for we are come as far as to you also in preaching the gospel of Christ
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| Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly,
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| To preach the gospel in the regions beyond you, and not to boast in another man's line of things made ready to our hand.
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| But he that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
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| For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.
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==Chapter 11==

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| Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly and indeed bear with me.
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| For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
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| But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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| For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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| For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
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| But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
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| Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?
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| I robbed other churches, taking wages of them, to do you service.
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| And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself.
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| As the truth of Christ is in me, no man shall stop me of this boasting in the regions of Achaia.
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| Wherefore? because I love you not? God knoweth.
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| But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
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| For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
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| And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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| Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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| I say again, Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little.
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| That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting.
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| Seeing that many glory after the flesh, I will glory also.
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| For ye suffer fools gladly, seeing ye yourselves are wise.
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| For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devour you, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite you on the face.
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| I speak as concerning reproach, as though we had been weak. Howbeit whereinsoever any is bold, (I speak foolishly,) I am bold also.
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| Are they Hebrews? so am I. Are they Israelites? so am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? so am I.
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| Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
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| Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
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| Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
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| In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
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| In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
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| Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
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|29
| Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?
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| If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
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| The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
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| In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the Damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me
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| And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands.
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==Chapter 12==

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| It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
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| I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
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| And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell| God knoweth;)
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| How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
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| Of such an one will I glory yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
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| For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
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| And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
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| For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
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| And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
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| Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake for when I am weak, then am I strong.
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| I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me for I ought to have been commended of you| for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.
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| Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
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| For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.
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| Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you for I seek not yours, but you for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
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| And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved.
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| But be it so, I did not burden you nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.
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| Did I make a gain of you by any of them whom I sent unto you?
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| I desired Titus, and with him I sent a brother. Did Titus make a gain of you? walked we not in the same spirit? walked we not in the same steps?
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| Again, think ye that we excuse ourselves unto you? we speak before God in Christ but we do all things, dearly beloved, for your edifying.
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| For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults
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| And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
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==Chapter 13==

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| This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
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| I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time; and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare
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| Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you.
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| For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
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| Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
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| But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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| Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
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| For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.
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| For we are glad, when we are weak, and ye are strong and this also we wish, even your perfection.
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| Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.
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| Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you.
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| The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
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[[Category:Conservative Bible]]

Second Epistle to the Thessalonians (Translated)

2009-09-12T04:23:00Z

JacobI: ToC

__TOC__

==Chapter 1==

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|Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
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|Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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|We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;
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|So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
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|[Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
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|Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
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|And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
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|In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
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|Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
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|When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
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|Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of [this] calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of [his] goodness, and the work of faith with power:
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|That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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==Chapter 2==

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|Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
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|That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
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|Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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|Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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|Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
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|For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
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|That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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|But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
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|Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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|Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
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|Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given [us] everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
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|For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
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|For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
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|Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
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|But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.
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|And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
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|Yet count [him] not as an enemy, but admonish [him] as a brother.
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|Now the Lord of peace himself give you peace always by all means. The Lord [be] with you all.
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|The salutation of Paul with mine own hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write.
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|The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you all. Amen.
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[[Category:Conservative Bible]]

Metal Gear Solid

2009-09-12T04:18:48Z

JacobI: wikify

'''Metal Gear Solid''' is the first in a long line of Playstation based stealth [[Video game|action games]]. The series deal primarily with conspiracy theories involving nuclear weapons, genetic engineering, artificial intelligence, and censorship. With the exception of Metal Gear Solid 3, every game is played mostly through the eyes of the character Solid Snake.

In each installment, Snake would have to sneak into a place occupied with either terrorists or communists and rescue important government or military officials then destroy a "Metal Gear" and defeat super human bosses.

[[Category:Video Games]]

Josiah Wedgwood

2009-09-12T04:16:45Z

JacobI: wikify

'''Josiah Wedgwood''' (1730 - 1795) was an English industrialist whose [[pottery]] works were the first to produce fine-quality pottery by industrial methods.

{{DEFAULTSORT:Wedgwood,Josiah}}

[[Category: Business]]

Talk:Economics Lectures

2009-09-12T04:15:46Z

JacobI: Undo revision 699778 by Rcarlton (Talk) - sock of APeters

== Ask any questions, or add your user id. to the enrollment, here ==
:Is this course available to anyone? Are there any fees to pay? --[[User:VickyP|VickyP]] 12:01, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::I've been told the course is free. When does it start and where can I sign up? [[User:VickyP|VickyP]] 10:26, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

:::Consider yourself enrolled! We start in about two weeks, Thursday Sept. 3rd, and the course proceeds on a weekly basis from there.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:29, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

Hi! Can I please be enrolled in your class? That would be great! Thanks so much for offering this class! [User: CougarY10]

:You're hereby enrolled. We start Thursday. Welcome.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 19:58, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

Hello! I would like to enroll in this class too. Thanks!! --[[User:TrishaM|TrishaM]] 11:29, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

: You're in! We officially started yesterday, so please proceed to read [[Economics Lecture One]] and post your answers to the assignment at one of the slots here: [[Economics Homework One Answers]]. Welcome!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 11:31, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

I'd like to sign up too! Thanks so much for doing this!! --[[User:KristiM|KristiM]] 11:40, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

: You're in too! I look forward to grading your first homework here: [[Economics Homework One Answers]]. Welcome!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:40, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

== Late Enrollment ==

Is it too late to sign up my daughter for this course? Is it open to non-Americans? Should she create her own account or use mine (I know most wikis have rules against multiple accounts from one address)? Thank you for reading. [[User:JamesRP|JamesRP]] 09:54, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

: It's not too late at all, and all may enroll! Welcome. Your daughter can create her own account and thanks for asking.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:05, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

:: Thank you. In which case, I would like to enrol. Thank you for giving me the opportunity! [[User:AmandaP|AmandaP]] 10:08, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

Hello Mr. Schlafly,
I am aware that this course started almost a week ago, but I was wondering if it would be possible for me to still enroll. Back before the course started, I tried many times to create an account in order to join Conservapedia and enroll specifically in this course, but for some reason I had problems every time until yesterday. (It may have had something to do with the laptop that was with me while I was on vacation last week-- creating an account worked fine once I got on a different computer at home.) Please let me know if enrollment is still possible at this point (I could catch up!), and if not, when you may offer this course again. Thank you very much, LydiaM

:Please do join the course! There's time and several students missed the first lecture do to other commitments. Simply read Lecture One and complete and post its homework this weekend, and you'll be caught up!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 10:33, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

I would also like to enroll in the course. I will post my homework answers this weekend. -AROM

:I look forward to seeing your work. Welcome.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:22, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

Thank you very much for letting me join the course!! I'll post my homework this weekend-- [[User:LydiaM|LydiaM]] 1:31, 12 September 2009

:Welcome again! I look forward to reviewing your answers.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:22, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

User:JacobI/Sandbox

2009-09-12T04:14:48Z

JacobI: just ran into this one. I got it correct though.

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John 8-14 (Translated)

2009-09-12T04:12:20Z

JacobI: /* Chapter 14 */ categorizing

==Chapter 8==

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|Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
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|And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
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|Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
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|This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
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|So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
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|And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
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|And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
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|When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
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|She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
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|Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
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|The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
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|Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
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|Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
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|And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
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|It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
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|I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
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|Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
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|These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.
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|Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
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|Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
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|And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
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|I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
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|Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
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|I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
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|They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
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|Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
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|And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.
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|As he spake these words, many believed on him.
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|Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
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|And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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|They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
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|Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
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|And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
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|If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
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|I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
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|I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
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|They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
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|But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
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|Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
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|Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
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|Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
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|Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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|And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
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|Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
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|He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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|Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
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|Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
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|And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
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|Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
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|Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
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|Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
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|Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
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|Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
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|Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
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|Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
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|Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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|Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
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==Chapter 9==

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|And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
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|And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
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|Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
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|I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
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|As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
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|When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
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|And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
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|The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?
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|Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.
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|Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?
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|He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.
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|Then said they unto him, Where is he? He said, I know not.
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|They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind.
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|And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
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|Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.
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|Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
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|They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.
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|But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.
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|And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see?
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|His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:
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|But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself.
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|These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
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|Therefore said his parents, He is of age; ask him.
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|Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner.
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|He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.
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|Then said they to him again, What did he to thee? how opened he thine eyes?
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|He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?
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|Then they reviled him, and said, Thou art his disciple; but we are Moses' disciples.
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|We know that God spake unto Moses: as for this fellow, we know not from whence he is.
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|The man answered and said unto them, Why herein is a marvellous thing, that ye know not from whence he is, and yet he hath opened mine eyes.
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|Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
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|Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind.
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|If this man were not of God, he could do nothing.
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|They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out.
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|Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
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|He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?
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|37
|And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.
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|38
|And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
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|39
|And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
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|40
|And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
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|Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
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==Chapter 10==

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|Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
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|But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
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|To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
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|And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
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|And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
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|This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
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|Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
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|All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
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|I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
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|The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
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|I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
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|But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
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|The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
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|I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
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|As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
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|And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
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|Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
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|No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
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|There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
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|And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
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|Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?
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|And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
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|And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
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|Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
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|Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
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|But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
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|My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
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|And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
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|My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
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|I and my Father are one.
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|Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
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|Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
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|The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
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|Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
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|If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
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|Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
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|If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
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|But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
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|Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
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|And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
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|And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
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|And many believed on him there.
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==Chapter 11==

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|Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
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|(It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
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|Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.
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|When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
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|Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.
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|When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
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|Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.
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|His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?
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|Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
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|But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
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|These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
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|Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
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|Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
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|Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
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|And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
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|Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him.
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|Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already.
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|Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:
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|And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother.
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|Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.
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|Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
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|But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.
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|Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
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|Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
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|Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
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|And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
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|She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.
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|And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.
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|As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him.
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|Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him.
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|The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there.
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|Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
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|33
|When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
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|34
|And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.
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|Jesus wept.
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|Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
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|And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
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|Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.
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|Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
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|Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
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|Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
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|42
|And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
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|43
|And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.
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|And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.
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|45
|Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him.
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|46
|But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what things Jesus had done.
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|Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
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|If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
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|49
|And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
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|50
|Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
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|51
|And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
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|And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
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|53
|Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death.
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|54
|Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.
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|55
|And the Jews' passover was nigh at hand: and many went out of the country up to Jerusalem before the passover, to purify themselves.
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|56
|Then sought they for Jesus, and spake among themselves, as they stood in the temple, What think ye, that he will not come to the feast?
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|Now both the chief priests and the Pharisees had given a commandment, that, if any man knew where he were, he should shew it, that they might take him.
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==Chapter 12==

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|Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
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|There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.
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|Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.
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|Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
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|Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
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|This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
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|Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.
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|For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.
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|Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.
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|But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;
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|Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
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|On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,
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|Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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|And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,
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|Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
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|These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.
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|The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.
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|For this cause the people also met him, for that they heard that he had done this miracle.
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|The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive ye how ye prevail nothing? behold, the world is gone after him.
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|And there were certain Greeks among them that came up to worship at the feast:
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|The same came therefore to Philip, which was of Bethsaida of Galilee, and desired him, saying, Sir, we would see Jesus.
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|Philip cometh and telleth Andrew: and again Andrew and Philip tell Jesus.
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|And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.
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|Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
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|He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
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|If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.
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|Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
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|Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.
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|The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
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|Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
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|Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
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|32
|And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
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|This he said, signifying what death he should die.
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|The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?
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|35
|Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.
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|While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
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|37
|But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:
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|That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
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|39
|Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
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|40
|He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
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|These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
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|Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
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|For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
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|Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
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|And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
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|I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
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|And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
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|He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
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|For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
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|And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
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==Chapter 13==

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|Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
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|And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
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|Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
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|He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
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|After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
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|Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
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|Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
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|Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
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|Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
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|Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
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|For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
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|So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
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|Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
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|If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
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|For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
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|Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
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|If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
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|I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
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|Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
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|Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
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|When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
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|Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.
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|Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
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|Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
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|He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
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|Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
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|And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
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|Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him.
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|For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor.
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|He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.
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|Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.
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|If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.
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|Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
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|A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
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|By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
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|Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
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|Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
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|38
|Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.
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==Chapter 14==

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|Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
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|In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
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|And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
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|And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
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|Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
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|Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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|If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
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|Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
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|Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
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|Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
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|Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
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|Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
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|13
|And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
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|If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
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|If ye love me, keep my commandments.
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|And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
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|Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
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|I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
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|Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
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|At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
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|He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
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|Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
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|Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
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|He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
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|25
|These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
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|26
|But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
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|Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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|Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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|29
|And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
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|Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
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|But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
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[[Category:Conservative Bible]]

John 8-14 (Translated)

2009-09-12T04:11:38Z

JacobI: /* Chapter 11 */ small fix. *tightens a screw*

Equivalence principle

2009-09-12T04:05:06Z

JacobI: rewikify

The '''equivalence principle''' is the [[Isaac Newton|Newtonian]] idea that states the force felt by someone standing in a gravitational field is the same as the pseudo-force felt by someone in an accelerating reference frame.

More simply put, it attempts to say that being on Earth and experiencing [[gravity]] is equivalent to being in a spaceship accelerating upwards at 9.8 ms-2 (g).

[[Category:Physics]]

Epistle to the Hebrews (Translated)

2009-09-12T04:03:10Z

JacobI: one broken table is enough for one day. -__-

==Chapter 1==

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| God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
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| Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
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| Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
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| Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
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| For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
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| And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
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| And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
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| But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
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| Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
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| And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands
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| They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
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| And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
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| But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
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| Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
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==Chapter 2==

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| Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
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| For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
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| How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
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| God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
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| For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
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| But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
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| Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands
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| Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
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| But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
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| For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
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| For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
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| Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
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| And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
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| Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
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| And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
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| For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
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| Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
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| For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
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==Chapter 3==

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| Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
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| Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
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| For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
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| For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
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| And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
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| But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
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| Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
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| Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness|
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| When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
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| Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
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| So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
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| Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
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| But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
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| For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
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| While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
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| For some, when they had heard, did provoke| howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
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| But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
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| And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
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| So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
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==Chapter 4==

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| Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
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| For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
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| For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
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| For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
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| And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
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| Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief
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| Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
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| For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
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| There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
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| For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
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| Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
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| For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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| Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
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| Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
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| For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
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| Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
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==Chapter 5==

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| For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins
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| Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
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| And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
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| And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
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| So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
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| As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
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| Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
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| Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
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| And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
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| Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
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| Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
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| For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
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| For every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness| for he is a babe.
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| But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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==Chapter 6==

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| Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
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| Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
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| And this will we do, if God permit.
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| For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
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| And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
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| If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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| For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God
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| But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
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| But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
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| For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
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| And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end
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| That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
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| For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,
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| Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.
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| And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
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| For men verily swear by the greater| and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
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| Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath
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| That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us
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| Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
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| Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
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==Chapter 7==

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| For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
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| To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
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| Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
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| Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
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| And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham
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| But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
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| And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
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| And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
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| And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
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| For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
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| If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
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| For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
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| For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
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| For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
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| And it is yet far more evident for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
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| Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
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| For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
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| For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
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| For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
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| And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest
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| (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec)
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| By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
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| And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death
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| But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
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| Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
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| For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
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| Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's| for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
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| For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
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==Chapter 8==

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| Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
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| A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
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| For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
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| For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law
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| Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
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| But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
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| For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
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| For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah
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| Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
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| For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people
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| And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
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| For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
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| In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
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==Chapter 9==

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| Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
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| For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
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| And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;
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| Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
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| And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.
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| Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
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| But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people
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| The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing
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| Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
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| Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
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| But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
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| Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
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| For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh
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| How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
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| And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
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| For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
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| For a testament is of force after men are dead| otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
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| Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
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| For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
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| Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
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| Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
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| And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
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| It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
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| For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us
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| Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
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| For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
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| And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment
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| So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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==Chapter 10==

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| For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
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| For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
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| But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
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| For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
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| Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me
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| In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
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| Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
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| Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
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| Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
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| By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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| And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins
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| But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
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| From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
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| For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
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| Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us| for after that he had said before,
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| This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
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| And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
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| Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
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| Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
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| By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
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| And having an high priest over the house of God;
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| Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
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| Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
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| And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works
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| Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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| For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
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| But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
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| He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses
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| Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
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| For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
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| It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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| But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;
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| Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.
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| For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.
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| Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.
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| For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
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| For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
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| Now the just shall live by faith| but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
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| But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
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==Chapter 12==

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| Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
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| For by it the elders obtained a good report.
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| Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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| By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
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| By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
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| But without faith it is impossible to please him for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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| By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
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| By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
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| By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise
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| For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
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| Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
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| Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
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| These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
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| For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
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| And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
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| But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God for he hath prepared for them a city.
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| By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
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| Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called
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| Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
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| By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
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| By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
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| By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
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| By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
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| By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
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| Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
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| Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt| for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
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| By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king| for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
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| Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
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| By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land| which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
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| By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
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| By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
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| And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets
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| Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
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| Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
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| Women received their dead raised to life again and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection
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| And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment
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| They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
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| (Of whom the world was not worthy) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
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| And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise
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| God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
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==Chapter 13==

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| Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
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| Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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| For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
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| Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
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| And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him|
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| For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
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| If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
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| But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
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| Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
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| For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
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| Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
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| Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;
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| And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
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| Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord
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| Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
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| Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
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| For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.
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| For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
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| And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more
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| (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart
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| And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake)
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| But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
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| To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
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| And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
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| See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven
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| Whose voice then shook the earth| but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
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| And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
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| Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear
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| For our God is a consuming fire.
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==Chapter 14==

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| Let brotherly love continue.
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| Be not forgetful to entertain strangers for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
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| Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.
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| Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
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| Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
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| So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.
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| Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
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| Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
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| Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
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| We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
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| For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
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| Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
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| Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
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| For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
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| By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
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| But to do good and to communicate forget not for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
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| Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief for that is unprofitable for you.
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| Pray for us for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
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| But I beseech you the rather to do this, that I may be restored to you the sooner.
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| Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
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| Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
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| And I beseech you, brethren, suffer the word of exhortation for I have written a letter unto you in few words.
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| Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty; with whom, if he come shortly, I will see you.
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| Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.
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| Grace be with you all. Amen.
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[[Category:Conservative Bible]]

Epistle to the Ephesians (Translated)

2009-09-12T03:38:18Z

JacobI: *places some napkins under one of the legs* I dub this table "Fixed"

==Chapter 1==

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|Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus
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| Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
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|Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ
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|According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love
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|Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
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|To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
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|In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
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|Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
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|Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself
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|That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him
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|In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will
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|That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
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|In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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|Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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|Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
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|Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
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|That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him
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|The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
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|And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to usward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
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|Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
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|Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come
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|And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
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|Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all.
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==Chapter 2==

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|And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
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|Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience
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|Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
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|But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
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|Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
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|And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus
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|That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
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|For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves| it is the gift of God
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|Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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|For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
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|Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
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|That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world
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|But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
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|For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
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|Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
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|And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby
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|And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
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|For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
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|Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
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|And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
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|In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord
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|In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
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==Chapter 3==

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|For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
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|If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward
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|How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
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|Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
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|Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
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|That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel
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|Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
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|8
|Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
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|9
|And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ
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|10
| To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
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|According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord
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|In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
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|13
|Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.
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|For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
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|Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
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|That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
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|That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
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|18
|May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
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|19
|And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God.
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|Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
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|Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
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==Chapter 4==

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|I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
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|With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
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|Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
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|There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
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|One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
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|One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
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|But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
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|Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
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|(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
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|He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
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|And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
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|12
|For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ
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|13
|Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ
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|14
|That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
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|But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ
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|From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
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|17
|This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
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|18
|Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart
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|19
|Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
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|20
|But ye have not so learned Christ;
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|21
|If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus
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|22
|That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
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|23
|And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
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|24
|And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
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|25
|Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour for we are members one of another.
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|Be ye angry, and sin not let not the sun go down upon your wrath
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|27
|Neither give place to the devil.
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|28
|Let him that stole steal no more but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
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|29
|Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
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|30
|And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
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|31
|Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice
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|32
|And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
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==Chapter 5==

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|Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
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|And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour.
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|3
|But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
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|4
|Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient but rather giving of thanks.
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|5
|For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
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|6
|Let no man deceive you with vain words for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
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|7
|Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
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|8
|For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord| walk as children of light
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|9
|(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
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|10
|Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
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|11
|And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
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|12
|For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
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|13
|But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light| for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
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|14
|Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
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|15
|See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
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|16
|Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
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|17
| Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
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|18
|And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
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|19
|Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
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|20
|Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
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|21
|Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
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|22
|Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
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|23
|For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church and he is the saviour of the body.
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|24
|Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
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|25
|Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
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|That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
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|27
|That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
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|28
|So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
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|29
|For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church
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|30
|For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
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|31
|For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
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|This is a great mystery| but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
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|Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.
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==Chapter 6==

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|Children, obey your parents in the Lord| for this is right.
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|Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)
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|That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
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|4
|And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath| but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
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|5
|Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;
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|6
|Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
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|7
|With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men
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|8
|Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.
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|9
|And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.
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|10
|Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
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|11
|Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
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|12
|For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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|13
|Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
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|14
|Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
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|15
|And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
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|16
|Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
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|17
|And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
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|18
|Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
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|19
|And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
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|For which I am an ambassador in bonds that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
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|21
|But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things
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|22
|Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts.
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|23
|Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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|Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.
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[[Category:Conservative Bible]]

Epistle to Titus (Translated)

2009-09-12T03:20:31Z

JacobI: wikify; bolding term

The '''Epistle to Titus''' was written to [[Titus]], first bishop of [[Crete]], by Nicopolis of [[Macedonia]], and concerns the proper running of a Christian community.

==Chapter 1==

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|1
|Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
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|2
|In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
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|3
|But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
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|4
|To Titus, [mine] own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
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|5
|For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
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|If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
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|For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
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|But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
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|Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
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|For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
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|Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
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|One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians [are] alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
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|This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
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|Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
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|Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
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|They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
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==Chapter 2==

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|But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:
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|That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
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|The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
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|That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
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|[To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
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|Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
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|In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine [shewing] uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,
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|Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.
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|[Exhort] servants to be obedient unto their own masters, [and] to please [them] well in all [things]; not answering again;
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|Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
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|For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
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|Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
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|Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
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|Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
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|These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
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==Chapter 3==

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|Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
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|To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, [but] gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
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|For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, [and] hating one another.
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|But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
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|Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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|Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
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|That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
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|[This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
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|But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
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|A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
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|Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
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|When I shall send Artemas unto thee, or Tychicus, be diligent to come unto me to Nicopolis: for I have determined there to winter.
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|Bring Zenas the lawyer and Apollos on their journey diligently, that nothing be wanting unto them.
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|And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
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|All that are with me salute thee. Greet them that love us in the faith. Grace [be] with you all. Amen.
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Moral values

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American Conservative Union

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Founded in 1964, '''The American Conservative Union''' ('''ACU''') is the nation's oldest and largest conservative lobbying organization. The ACU's purpose is to communicate and advance the goals and principles of conservatism through one multi-issue, umbrella organization. ACU's Statement of Principles expresses their commitment to a [[market economy]], the doctrine of original intent of the framers of the U.S. Constitution, traditional [[Morality|moral values]], and a strong national defense.

The ACU publishes a widely used annual index of conservative voting for all members of Congress.

==External Links==
*[http://www.conservative.org/about/default.asp Official homepage of the ACU]

[[category:United States Political Organizations]]
[[Category:Conservative Organizations]]

Information Technology

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Chief Information Officer

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*It has been proposed that this page, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', be titled, "'''[[Chief Information Officer]]'''".[[Category:Move requests]]

A '''Chief Information Officer''' ('''CIO''') has the responsibility of overseeing all [[Information technology|Information Technology]] (''IT'') and computer operations within an organization. This includes but is not limited to: technology within the enterprise, technical decisions, IT budgets, analyzing and reworking existing business processes.

[[Category:business]]

Chief Information Officer

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*It has been proposed that this page, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', be titled, "'''[[Chief Information Officer]]'''".[[Category:Move requests]]

A '''Chief Information Officer''' ('''CIO''') has the responsibility of overseeing all [[Information Technology]] (''IT'') and computer operations within an organization. This includes but is not limited to: technology within the enterprise, technical decisions, IT budgets, analyzing and reworking existing business processes.

[[Category:business]]