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Affirmative Action President

2008-08-29T17:17:22Z

JohnA: real entry on affirmative action VP

An '''Affirmative Action President''' is someone selected for that office based partly or entirely on the person's race or gender. As of 2008, [[affirmative action]] has not yet been successfully used to fill the position of President of the [[United States]].

An Affirmative Action President is strongly supported by some [[liberals]] who favor [[affirmative action]]. As they support [[affirmative action]] for other positions, it is a logical extension for them to favor it for the presidency also.

These supporters of an Affirmative Action President are likely to support a candidate based in part on the candidate's race or gender in order to bring historical [[diversity]] to the position and promote broader acceptance of [[affirmative action]].

Under [[affirmative action]], a candidate's race or gender is as important as, and perhaps more important, than traditional criteria of qualifications and experience.

On Feb. 4, 2008, ten days after this entry appeared here, Michael Savage commented that, if elected, [[Barack Obama]] will be the first Affirmative Action President, as he has such a small amount of political (or military) experience.<ref>For example, popular radio commentator [[Michael Savage]] observed, "We have a woman and a multi-ethnic man running for office on the Democrat side. Is this not akin to a -- an affirmative action election? Isn't that why the libs are hysterical, tripping over themselves to say [[amen]] and yes to this affirmative election vote?" Savage added, "America's not ready for an affirmative action presidency." [http://mediamatters.org/items/200802040008]</ref>

On March 12, 2008, Joseph Farah, founder of Worldnetdaily.com, published a column entitled, "The affirmative-action president."<ref>http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=58632</ref>

==Affirmative Action Vice President==
While there is no affirmative action policy in selection of Vice Presidential candidates, a Presidential candidate has the sole power to select a running mate, and, if he chooses, can select a candidate based on race, ethnicity, or gender. As of 2008, only three major party Vice Presidential candidates have been women or minorities: [[Geraldine Ferraro]], [[Walter Mondale]]'s running mate in 1984, who is female, [[Joe Lieberman]], [[Al Gore]]'s running mate in 2000, who is Jewish, and [[Sarah Palin]], [[John McCain]]'s running mate in 2008. So far, none has been elected. While officially none of these candidates were chosen for their gender or religion, many people have speculated that they were chosen partially to appeal to voters of their group.

==See Also==
[[Nepotism President]]

== Reference ==

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[[category:politics]]

Talk:Affirmative Action President

2008-08-29T17:03:18Z

JohnA: /* Majority / Minority */

==Somebody's Missing Something Here==

I added the following:

"However, in the past blacks and women couldn't vote or run for President, and white males did benefit from their race and gender."

And got the following helpful advice:

That really has nothing to do with an Affirmative Action president does it? --TrueValues 19:52, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Don't continue to reinsert incorrect information. There's never been racial or gender restrictions on becoming president.--Aschlafly 22:25, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

But I'm still unenlightened. I thought what I added was relevant to Conservapedia's definition of an "affirmative action president" as having an advantage based on "race or gender", as stated at the beginning of the article, followed by the assertion that no President has had such an advantage up to now. Also, back when women and blacks couldn't vote, does that mean they could still have a reasonable chance of getting elected? And I thought I knew something about history.[[User:Pluto|Pluto]] 22:50, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
:Sir, is that statement correct? Women were granted the right to vote by the 18th amendment to the constitution. I'm no American so perhaps I'm wrong but if someone isn't on the electoral roll, how could they possibly stand for office.[[user:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]]
::Good question. It was actually the Nineteenth Amendment that allowed women the right to vote in 1920, and many African-Americans couldn't vote until the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Before the American Civil War, only a few New England states allowed blacks an equal right to vote. Illinois and Indiana had laws excluding free blacks from their states. Other free states excluded blacks from skilled occupations and wouldn't allow them to serve on juries.[[User:Pluto|Pluto]] 23:13, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
:::Thanks for the correction Pluto. I still want to hear from Andy though, he's a lawyer and therefore knows something we haven't considered[[user:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]]

Not racism, not at all. In any case, Barack would be a terrible choice... Remember what happened the last time you elected [[Abraham Lincoln|an Illinois senator with only two years in office]]? [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 15:59, 25 January 2008 (EST)

Here are the Google results from a search for "Affirmative Action president" and "Barack Obama." There are 265 on the entire Internet. Most are from blogs, not from reputable news sources. Many - if not more than half of these hits contest, not reinforce, the idea that Obama is such a thing. Please justify your case for saying that "many" people make the claim in question before reverting my edits. Peace. [[User:Rodney|Rodney]] 14:51, 10 February 2008 (EST)
:I see you've edited without providing a source. So be it. Please provide a source prior to removing the relevant tag. peace. [[User:Rodney|Rodney]] 15:59, 10 February 2008 (EST)

"An Affirmative Action President is strongly supported by some liberals who favor affirmative action. As they support affirmative action for other positions, it is a logical extension for them to favor it for the presidency also. " While is may be true, as presented here it just sounds like complete hearsay. While there may be individuals who indeed feel this way but there is no centralized liberal authority or association that has officially expressed these views. It is irresponsible and disgraceful to imply that thi is the main reason for the endorsement of Senator Obama by people who cal themselves liberals.
:I agree. It seems to imply that a minority could never become president on their own merits. I personally feel that his race is hurting him, I can't count the number of times I've seen bloggers saying 'I'll never vote for that n----r'. [[User:CraigC|CraigC]] 12:06, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== A note on the sources ==

There are three sources given as they contain Affirmative Action President in the headline. However the first two seem to be positively disavowing (perhaps even criticising the suggestion) that they think Obama would be an affirmative action president. The third source can be used as a reference to support the proposition in the article. Therefore I suggest that we remove the first two sources as they only superficially appear to support the proposition - not the ideal we are seeking here.

By the way I have no problem as far as the article stands except for this point. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 23:34, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
: Sorry, a correction. I am commenting on sources 2 and 3.--[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 23:35, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
::Is there no interest in this? Well I shall give it another day and then take another look at how best to proceed. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 21:00, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
:::Since no one argues, I am going to delete the sources as they do not support the contention being made.--[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 10:50, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Majority / Minority ==

I object to the following sentence:

:"There is nothing wrong with a Vice President representing a minority, as long as the President represents the majority"

After I removed it, it was swiftly reinstated by editor AdamE with a note that "[t]he President represents the majority of Americans by definition (he gets the majority of votes)". While this is certainly true in terms of majority ''political'' support, the article is concerned with a President being chosen on grounds of ''racial'' minority.

The point of the article is that a President should not be chosen on grounds of race alone - but then neither they should they be excluded on grounds of race alone. If this sentence is included within the article, it suggests that the President must represent the ethnic majority - I.E. the President must be white - and I think that that is an argument best avoided, and likely to debase this article and its message.

Please note that I am not accusing any editor of being racist as I assume good faith, but I believe that if this sentence is left in place, it puts quite a racist message in the article. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 12:45, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

(edit conflict) I was going to remove that section for being silly, but I thought I should post here first. The section is full of opinion and conjecture, and makes little sense.

:"There is nothing wrong with a Vice President representing a minority, as long as the President represents the majority."

Apart from being a blatant opinion, is this about ethnicities or views? If it's about ethnicities, then it's sating a President must be white. I hope that's not what anyone's trying to say. If it's about viewpoints, then I have to question first, whether its true (shouldn't the VP and President be of the same mind on most issues?) and secondly, what it has to do with affirmative action, which is about ethnicity and gender, not about views.

:"Having a minority Vice President makes more Americans feel represented by the President, as it should be."

So having a VP who's out of touch makes the President seem more in touch by comparison? Is that a real strategy? Or are we talking about races? Would a darker VP make the President look more white?

:" Besides, there is no doubt on the Presidential Candidate choosing the best Vice President for him. Would he risk his possible election with a less-than-ideal Vice President candidate? "

Of course there's doubt. Also, there is probably no such thing as an "ideal" VP, as everyone has advantages and disadvantages. Some people are already questioning McCain's choice of Palin, and Obama's selection of Biden, and others have certainly been questioned in the past. Also, since when do encyclopedias ask questions?

:"Certainly not. Therefore it would be absurd to call the Vice President an Affirmative Action Vice President."

I don't see how it's any more absurd than an affirmative action president. Especially when Presidential candidates are elected through primaries, and VP candidates are appointed. This should be removed. [[User:JohnA|JohnA]] 12:50, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
::Please guys. Is it so difficult to spot parodists? I must suck at it. Check every edit of mine. Is there one sane edit? Geez. --[[User:AdamE|AdamE]] 13:01, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
:::Thank you for being so candid. [[User:JohnA|JohnA]] 13:03, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Affirmative Action President

2008-08-29T17:02:57Z

JohnA: remove parody

An '''Affirmative Action President''' is someone selected for that office based partly or entirely on the person's race or gender. As of 2008, [[affirmative action]] has not yet been successfully used to fill the position of President of the [[United States]].

An Affirmative Action President is strongly supported by some [[liberals]] who favor [[affirmative action]]. As they support [[affirmative action]] for other positions, it is a logical extension for them to favor it for the presidency also.

These supporters of an Affirmative Action President are likely to support a candidate based in part on the candidate's race or gender in order to bring historical [[diversity]] to the position and promote broader acceptance of [[affirmative action]].

Under [[affirmative action]], a candidate's race or gender is as important as, and perhaps more important, than traditional criteria of qualifications and experience.

On Feb. 4, 2008, ten days after this entry appeared here, Michael Savage commented that, if elected, [[Barack Obama]] will be the first Affirmative Action President, as he has such a small amount of political (or military) experience.<ref>For example, popular radio commentator [[Michael Savage]] observed, "We have a woman and a multi-ethnic man running for office on the Democrat side. Is this not akin to a -- an affirmative action election? Isn't that why the libs are hysterical, tripping over themselves to say [[amen]] and yes to this affirmative election vote?" Savage added, "America's not ready for an affirmative action presidency." [http://mediamatters.org/items/200802040008]</ref>

On March 12, 2008, Joseph Farah, founder of Worldnetdaily.com, published a column entitled, "The affirmative-action president."<ref>http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=58632</ref>

==See Also==
[[Nepotism President]]

== Reference ==

<references/>

[[category:politics]]

Talk:Affirmative Action President

2008-08-29T16:50:45Z

JohnA: /* Majority / Minority */