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Debate:Would Christ apostasize to prevent the suffering of others?

2009-05-26T17:32:50Z

Kaylee19892:

I just finished reading the book ''Silence'' by Shusaku Endo which chronicles the mission of a Jesuit priest to Japan. In the book, Endo raises an interesting question, "would Jesus have renounced his faith (or said the words without meaning them) to prevent the suffering of innocent bystanders?"
:This question has false logic; if Jesus had renounced his faith, he would then not have been able to die for our sins and thus humanity would not have been saved. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 13:32, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
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User talk:Gglitter

2009-05-17T13:37:43Z

Kaylee19892: Romoving Filth

Big Oil

2009-05-17T13:34:32Z

Kaylee19892: Undo revision 663955 by Gglitter (Talk)

'''Big Oil''' is a pejorative term some use to describe the major [[petroleum]] companies such as Exxon-Mobil, Chevron-Texaco, BP, Total, ConocoPhillips and RoyalDutchShell. These are some of the largest [[corporation]]s in the world, although several other state-owned oil companies are also becoming large oil exploration and production companies. These are Saudi Aramco, Russia’s Gazprom, NIOC of Iran, Venezuela’s PDVSA, CNPC of China, Brazil’s Petrobras and Petronas according to the Financial Times.<ref>[http://www.ft.com/cms/s/471ae1b8-d001-11db-94cb-000b5df10621.html The new Seven Sisters: oil and gas giants dwarf western rivals]</ref>

== Politics ==
From 1990 to 2006, the oil industry as a whole contributed $48,972,754 to [[Democrat]]ic candidates while contributing $150,571,902 to [[Republican]] candidates, for a 25% to 75% split between the two parties and a total of $200,865,355 in campaign contributions.<ref>Industry Totals: Oil & Gas[http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.asp?Ind=E01]</ref>. The disparity in the donations between the parties was widened from a 38%/62% split in 1990 to a 17%/82% split in 2006 in favor of Republican candidates.

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Theistic evolution

2009-04-22T21:52:45Z

Kaylee19892: Various scientific innacuracies in the bible???

{{rewrite|It is confusing; despite my adding some definitions, it still fails to address whether "evolution" means "[[unguided evolution]]"}}
'''Theistic evolution''', one form of [[Old Earth Creationism]], has been defined in more than one way:
*Theistic evolution (or "evolutionary creation") is the view that [[evolution]] occurred, but was planned and guided by [[God]]. <ref> [http://www.rationalchristianity.net/creation_evolution.html Reconciling Creation and Science], by an evangelical Protestant Christian identified only as India (her first name) </ref>
*The belief that God planned and created the universe in such a way that life would come into being without any further supernatural intervention

Sometimes it is not a specific theory of how life originally came into being, or how new species of life arose, but is merely:
*the belief that [[creationism]] can be compatible with the [[Theory of Evolution|theory of evolution]].<ref>http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1990</ref><ref>http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/methods2.htm</ref><ref>http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/te-guided.htm#top2 "another old-earth view, evolutionary creation (also called theistic evolution), natural evolution was God's method of creation, with the universe designed so physical structures (galaxies, stars, planets) and complex biological organisms (bacteria, fish, dinosaurs, humans) would naturally evolve." </ref>

In most forms it asserts that life evolved from a common ancestor created by God, who then steered evolution indirectly as a process of creation, and later gave souls to the first humans to raise them above the animals. Proponents of theistic evolution often emphasize the overall message of Genesis and assert that the details of the story are not meant to be taken literally.<ref>http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/methods2.htm</ref> <ref>http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i4/theistic_evolution.asp</ref> <ref>http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-god.html</ref>

Theistic evolutionists reject [[special creation]] of nature and its inhabitants and mankind as declared in Genesis chapters one and two and agree that humans and apes shared a common primatical ancestor. The position has come under attack from a variety of sources - Young Earth Creationists raise all of their standard objections to evolution as well as various theological and exegetical problems. Meanwhile, various agnostics and [[atheists]] have accused proponents of theistic evolution of not going far enough or of tacking on various ideas for their own emotional comfort and not for any evidence-based reasoning.

In October 1996, [[Pope John Paul II]] officially declared that evolution and Catholicism are not incompatible; this remains the official standpoint of the Catholic Church <ref>Truth Cannot Contradict Truth, Address of Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (October 22, 1996) Catholic Libraryv[http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm]</ref>.

[[William Jennings Bryan]] wrote that "Theistic evolution may be defined as an anesthetic which deadens the patient’s pain while [[atheism]] removes his religion.”

==Theistic evolution and Intelligent Design==

Although theistic evolution and [[intelligent design]] (ID) are superficially similar, ID design proponents have made clear that the two are not the same thing. [[William Dembski]] has gone so far as to say that, "as far as design theorists are concerned, theistic evolution is American evangelicalism's ill-conceived accommodation to Darwinism."<ref>''What every theologian should know about creation, evolution, and design'' Center for Interdisciplinary Studies Transactions 3(2), William Demsbki</ref>

The primary difference between the two is the perceived role of [[proof]]. While most theistic evolutionists are content to accept God on faith alone, intelligent design proponents seek to prove the necessary existence of a designer in the creation of life by scientific means.

==Theistic evolution and Progressive Creationism ==
Theistic evolution is not the same as [[Progressive Creationism]], as the latter rejects evolution and posits a series of distinct creation events.

==Theistic evolution and Gap Theory ==
Theistic evolution is clearly distinct from [[Gap theory]], which robustly rejects any concept of evolutionary thought.

== Criticisms of Theistic Evolution ==

Theistic evolution has been critized from a larger variety of directions, including Young Earth Creationists, Old Earth Creationists, [[atheism|atheists]] and [[agnostic]]s. [[Young Earth Creationism|Young Earth Creationists]] and some [[Old Earth Creationism|Old Earth Creationists]] generally consider Theistic Evolution to be [[heretical]] or at best, contrary to Biblical teachings. <ref>http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c015.html</ref><ref>http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v11/i4/christian.asp</ref><ref>http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/1990</ref><ref>http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v11/i4/christian.asp</ref>. However, many Young Earth Creationists agree that correct knowledge of how God created humanity and such is not a necessary condition for salvation.<ref>http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c015.html</ref><ref name="Gish"> "belief in the historicity of Genesis is not essential to our salvation." Duane Gish ''Is it possible to be a Christian and an evolutionist?'' http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v11/i4/christian.asp</ref> A notable proponent of theistic evolution is biologist [[Ken Miller]].<ref>http://bioinfo.med.utoronto.ca/Evolution_by_Accident/Theistic_Evolution.html</ref>
Proponents of theistic evolution have been accused of subtly undermining science piece by piece.<ref>http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2006/11/ed-brayton-speaks.html</ref>

== External links ==
* [http://www.asa3.org American Scientific Affiliation], the largest organization of scientists who are Christians and who believe evolution to be true.

== References ==
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[[Category:Origins Debate]]
[[Category:Creationism]]

Theistic evolution

2009-04-22T21:46:37Z

Kaylee19892: When you remove stuff like this you remove the right of me to educate my child as I wish.

Talk:World History Midterm Exam

2009-03-30T19:19:30Z

Kaylee19892: Undo revision 646618 by WriteToLive (Talk)

== Post answers here for grading (the enrolled students have already taken this exam) ==
1.C 2.B 3.A 4.C 5.C 6.D 7.E 8.E 9.C 10.C 11.E 12.E 13.D 14.C 15.D 16.B 17.D 18.E 19.A 20.A 21.A 22.C 23.C 24.D 25.D 26.C 27.D 28.A 29.B 30.C 31.B 32.E 33.C 34.D 35.A 36.A 37.A 38.B 39.B 40.E 41.D 42.B 43.D 44.C

Some of the honors questions are pretty hard, I have to admit. [[User:DeTorre|DeTorre]] 23:04, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

: Your score is quite good: 33. Right now you're number 1 out of 11 papers, but I grade the weaker papers in my class first. I'll let you know here if and when better papers surpass your rank as I grade over 30 more papers Sunday.

: Congratulations on your good score!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:14, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

:: Corrected score: 32 (I double-checked and mis-graded one of your answers). That's still quite good, and still in first place through 11 papers. I'll update status as more are graded today.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 08:09, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

::: Oh no, I caught another mistake in my grading of your paper! Your score is actually a 31. No problem, you're still tied for 2nd place with 18 papers to go!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 16:07, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

== Ongoing rank ==

Through the grading of 42 exam papers, including the one above, the top score ranks are:

1. 42
 2. 40
 3. 38
 4. 37
 5. 36 (tie by three papers)
 6. 35
 7. 33 (tie by two papers)
 8. 32
 9. 31 (tie by three papers and one online submission here)
 10. 30 (tie by three papers)
 11. 29 (tie by four papers)

Congratulations to all the students for their superb work!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:04, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

'''Note on the final scores''': the three top papers, scoring 38, 40 and 42, have a valid claim to add an additional point to their score due to the correct way that they interpreted question 20. Can you spot the flaw in question 20 that these top scorers identified?--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 23:11, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

== Suggested improvements on exam ==

*In the chivalry extra credit question for boys, the good sportsmanship should not be limited to "athletic" contests. Non-athletic contests, including chess matches or exams, should also be subject to good sportsmanship under chivalry.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 09:34, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

User talk:Kaylee19892

2009-03-29T19:47:57Z

Kaylee19892: It'll be a lot lot worse than that - a lot worse!

{{welcome}}

==Foxtrot Warning==

Please refrain from slandering a prominent editor in such a sarcastic way. Leave this discussion to the senior members of the site. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 00:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
:I assume you mean libelling not slandering. And if you really, honestly think I’m wrong, then I don’t think you’ll have long until you are forced into changing your mind. And please don't think I'm going to take a warning from you at all seriously - if pointing out the obvious is a blocking offense then... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 11:39, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
::Yes, I mean libel not slander. I didn't know that slander is always spoken while libel is always written. Thank you for the correction. In making the initial point, I was not stating my opinion whether I think you are right or wrong. However, your comment was lodged within a discussion involving the higher-ups at this site and was a one-off comment against another editor with far higher standing than you. Regardless of whether you turn out to be right or wrong, that is not appropriate behavior. Leave this matter to the senior editors to decide. I look forward to your contributions. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 15:14, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

==Buger's edit==
What Bugler wrote on the Big Science talk page was something he clearly changed his mind about and removed; you had no business putting it back. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:10, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:He is a bit isn't he.... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:12, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::Even he recognized going too far, hence the reversion. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:14, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I don't think he'll ever consider that he's gone too far. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:16, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Warning: any more harassment of another editor will result in the blocking of your account.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
:Poor old Bugler. I don't mean to spoil his fun. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 13:07, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
::Bugler the harassed...
::Who is Bugler? I cannot find his page. [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:39, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:::Bugler was a well-known user who just last night admitted to being a parodist. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::::Really? That isn't good! [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:41, 1 January 2009 (EST)

He was blocked for five years and his page was deleted. [[User:DuncanB|Duncan]][[User talk:DuncanB|Channel 16]] 14:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:Another suspected parodist (AlexanderM) was also blocked for five years. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:44, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:: Only '''R'''od'''W'''eathers left to go! [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 14:45, 1 January 2009 (EST) So sad that people think it is better to subvert than create.

Mary Queen of Scots

2009-03-29T19:12:18Z

Kaylee19892:

Mary Queen of Scots was born as Mary Stuart on the 7th December 1542. <ref>http://www.marie-stuart.co.uk/story.htm</ref> She became Queen of Scotland six days after her birth when her father [[James V]] died.

Mary Queen of Scots

2009-03-29T19:11:53Z

Kaylee19892:

Mary Queen of Scots was born as Mary Stuart on the 7th December 1542. <ref>http://www.marie-stuart.co.uk/story.htm<ref/> She became Queen of Scotland six days after her birth when her father [[James V]] died.

Mary Queen of Scots

2009-03-29T19:10:14Z

Kaylee19892: New page: Mary Queen of Scots was born as Mary Stuart on the 7th December 1542. <ref>http://www.marie-stuart.co.uk/story.htm<ref/>

Mary Queen of Scots was born as Mary Stuart on the 7th December 1542. <ref>http://www.marie-stuart.co.uk/story.htm<ref/>

User:Krishna

2009-03-29T18:47:29Z

Kaylee19892:

- Atheist 
- Homosexual 
- Pro-choice 
- Pro Gay Rights />
- Likes placing profanity on pages young kids can look at.

User:Krishna

2009-03-29T18:46:54Z

Kaylee19892:

- Atheist 
- Homosexual 
- Pro-choice 
- Pro Gay Rights
- Likes placing profanity on pages young kids can look at.

User talk:Krishna

2009-03-29T18:37:42Z

Kaylee19892: New page: Do you even understand who you'll eventually have to answer to?~~~~

Do you even understand who you'll eventually have to answer to?[[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 14:37, 29 March 2009 (EDT)

Christianity

2009-03-29T18:36:37Z

Kaylee19892: Undo revision 646247 by Krishna (Talk)

{{Christianity}}
'''Christianity''' is the world's largest religion, having 2.1 billion followers.<ref>http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html#Christianity</ref> It is a [[monotheistic]] religion that professes belief in [[Jesus]] as the Son of [[God]]. Christianity takes its name from [[Jesus Christ]] meaning "Jesus the Anointed One". Followers of Jesus are called Christians, meaning "of Christ" or "belonging to Christ".<ref>[http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=2661&dict=CALD Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary]</ref>
== Main Christian groups ==

The three largest self-governing bodies of Christians are:

* The [[Roman Catholic Church]] (approx. 1.15 billion baptized members) traces its roots back to [[Saint Peter]] who Catholics believe established the Church and the succession of [[Pope]]s as the spiritual authority over the Christian body of believers.

* The [[Orthodox Church]]es (approx. 300 million baptized members) also trace their roots back to the beginnings of Christianity, but do not believe in the Primacy of the Pope. Different theological perspectives led to the [[Great Schism]] between the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Churches in A.D. 1054.
* [[Protestantism]], the largest Communions are the [[Anglican Church|Anglicans]] (approx. 77 million baptized members) and the Lutheran World Federation (approx. 68 million baptized members). Protestantism has its origins in the European [[Reformation]]. It first broke away from the Roman Catholic Church under [[Martin Luther]] when differences over the nature of faith and works in the role of [[Christianity#salvation|salvation]] could not be adequately reconciled with Papal prescriptions as well as other practices that Luther saw in the Catholic Church at that time that he did not agree with. Other preachers and movements then followed Luther's example and also left the Catholic fold.

== Christian Beliefs ==
[[Image:Anglican Christ Church.jpg|thumb|150px|Anglican Christ Church in Western Australia]]
Theologians, over two millennia, have debated a definitive summary of the Christian faith. While its interpretations vary drastically, probably the most commonly accepted statement of faith is the [[Nicene Creed| Nicea-Constantinopolitan Creed]] below:

<blockquote>I believe in one God, [[God the Father|the Father Almighty]], Maker of [[heaven]] and [[earth]], and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the [[Holy Spirit]] and the [[Virgin Mary]], and became man. And He was crucified for us under [[Pontius Pilate]], and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the [[Bible|Scriptures]]; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the [[Resurrection]] of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.</blockquote>

Along the way many doctrines were rejected as heretical, such as [[Arianism]] (which denied the Trinity and said the Father was God but Jesus was a lesser person.)

Christians and Christian denominations agree on many points of doctrine and disagree on others. According to an online Harris poll from 2003 99% of all American Christians believe in God, 96% in the [[Resurrection of Jesus Christ|resurrection of Jesus Christ]], 93% in Heaven, 93% in the virgin birth, 92% in the survival of the soul after death, 82% in Hell, 50% in ghosts, 27% in astrology and 21% in reincarnation. <ref>http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=359</ref> Note that the latter two beliefs are in opposition to the religious dogma of most Christian denominations.

Nonetheless, the Nicea-Constantinopolitan Creed offers a general overall picture of what Christian theology looks like, and serves as a useful outline.

Other creeds may prove helpful in research. See also: the [[Apostle's Creed]], [[Athanasian Creed]].

===God===
{{main|God}}
God is a triune being. Though there is only one Divine nature there are three Divine Persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The three Persons are collectively called the [[Trinity]] or the Holy Trinity. Christians are not polytheists because of the oneness of the divine nature (or essence). Though to non-Christians and even many Christians, it might seem like an inconsequential dogma, the doctrine of the Trinity is central to all of Christian theology and life. This is especially true in the relationship between God and human beings. The major theme of the Bible is love. In the Hebrew [[Old Testament]] the idea is expressed in the Hebrew word ''hessed'', which is variously translated as loyal love, tender mercy, steadfast love, mercy, goodness, etc. in the [[New Testament]] the same idea is expressed in the Greek word ''agape'', which is variously translated as love, compassion, charity, etc. The picture that the Biblical writers draw with these words is of a lover (God) who is entirely self-sufficient, needing nothing, and a beloved (human beings) in desperate need of salvation but unable to obtain it for himself. But God the lover is willing to suffer, knows He is going to suffer, even endure death to save those who believe in him. This love of God for human beings is an extension of the love the Three Persons in the Trinity have for each other. Each loves the others infinitely. Their love for each other and for their creation is such that the [[Apostle John]] equates God and love, in an almost mathematical way saying, "God is love."

Additionally, the God of the Christians is the creator of all things, is everywhere present, exists in all times, is transcendent, all-knowing (omniscient), just, all-powerful (omnipotent).

===God in History===
God is understood by Christianity as affirming history, as of all things real and realistic, taking into account the true nature and stages of the man he had created and who had gone wayward. Thus Cain who had murdered a man was at first given a sign on the forehead that revenge not be taken out on him but to be left in the hands of God, but in the period of Noah and onward, justice was given over by God into the hands of man to avenge the blood shed by man. God took account of the actual propensity to evil that was shown by the living of man and God made adjustments.

God took notice of one man, Abraham, and the faith in Him that he exhibited, and working through his descendants, Issac, Jacob, the tribes to follow, and under Moses and the period of the Law, God began to form a people of the people that were, to enlighten and and transform a people not yet come, to see a God, not of wood or stone, but living and true, good and willing to speak to them. Though He was one God and not many, under the leadership of Moses and Joshua, and through the leaving of Egypt and the entrance into the promised land, God demanded, at the first, that the people, whatever they believe, have no God before Him, no one above Him, no allegiance but to Himself, and then the people understood as they saw Him take them across boundaries,across the rivers, to the very domain of the pagan Gods, beating them in their own territories, emasculating the deities of each town and city that Israel came in contact with, until come the time of the prophets, the people understood what God had revealed to them at the very first - if a god has no power, no ability to speak, no strength to save, then he is no god at all, and there is only one God, and it is the Lord.

Having given up God as their king, and demanding an earthly king to lead them, God did as they wanted, giving them Saul, with all his foibles, which they had not wanted, and then David to be their King, and with him a real kingdom, but with the Kingdom, the evils of all kingdoms, but leading them with the words from Him uttered by the prophets of a better Kingdom to come, with a better and greater than David to sit on the throne, a Kingdom where lion will dwell with lamb, where honesty will prevail over extortion, where goodness, justice and compassion will drip down as the fruit from trees, where Heaven and earth, love, truth and compassion kiss. And so the tyranny of cyclical history of corruption would be broken, by believing and looking forward, with faith to the coming of the Kingdom and the true King.

And finally He came, no longer sending prophets and words, not to speak lofty morality, but to show what that morality truly meant by bringing it to life in the only way it could be done at that time, at all times, and for all peoples. He came down Himself and He become exactly like the people He created, flesh of their flesh, bone of their bone, He became a human being. In that limitation, He showed it could be done - Holiness and love, goodness and forgiving, and obedience to the will of the Father. And because He was embodied love, and because we needed it, by our abject sinfulness, He went all the way taking our ways upon Himself, pouring out His blood in willful sacrifice on the Cross, until it was paid for, all our sins, and we could once again be accepted by the Father. All due to Him who died for us. He showed that love finds a way to deal with the real world, and love is entirely accurate. And as that is the true nature of God who is love, He rose from the dead. He had to!

===Jesus===
[[Image:Jesus' Baptism.jpg|180px|left|]]
During the reign of [[Caesar Augustus]] the Son (e.g. the second Person of the Trinity) took flesh from a virgin woman and was incarnate as a man. He was born in the town of [[Bethlehem]] and was given the name [[Jesus]]. At the age of thirty he was baptized by his cousin, the [[John the Baptist|Prophet John]], and began to preach in the area [[Palestine]]. About three years after his baptism, he raised his friend Lazarus from the dead, prompting the Jewish power establishment to plot Jesus death. Jesus was [[crucified]]. He came back from the dead and was seen by over 500 people. He ascended to heaven. The four [[Gospels]] contain the records of some of what Jesus did and said, but he did much more than those four books relate, as the Apostle John said in his Gospel.
{{Clear}}

===Jesus' Self Consciousness===

Jesus, conceived of the Holy Spirit, presented a disturbing surprise to his earthly father, Joseph, knowing he had not impregnated his fiancee, Mary. She would ponder the meaning of this miracle all the days Jesus would grow and finally she would behold her son expire on the cross. But Joseph, told by the Lord who his son really was, and how he had come about, and being warned by the Lord to flee the murderous Herod, took his family to Egypt - until the death of Herod made it safe ("Out of Egypt have I called My Son") to return to Israel. The family settled in Nazareth on the elevated rim of the Jezre'el Valley where he grew well and observably no different from the other youth. But when he was about 12 years old, he was taken to the Temple in Jerusalem, and displayed his consciousness that His real Father was God rather than Joseph ("Didn't you know that I must be here about the matters of My Father?".

They returned to Nazareth in Galilee and it wasn't until 28 years later that He began to publicly show His consciousness as to who he was. This was at his baptism at the Jordan River by John, when the voice came, to him, to John, and to the people privileged to be around, "This is my Son, the Beloved, Listen (Shma'a) to Him!" Here and now, against even the desire of John the Baptizer, Jesus, knowing that sin was not in him, chose to identify with sinful mankind in this baptism of John for repentance of sin, knowing that at the end of his time on earth, he would then be giving this sinless life of his on the cross, bearing the sins of the world upon himself.
[[Image:Carpaccio Christus in Emmaus.jpg|thumb|Christus in Emmaus by [[Vittore Carpaccio]]]]
Back, now, in Galilee, he would begin to do works of mercy, miracles of compassion, healings of deliverance, and overthrowing the devastations of Satan upon the people of God's compassion - in short, bringing in the Kingdom of Heaven and of God and supplanting the Kingdom of Darkness. He began to gather around him his followers, simple fishing folk and others, spending most of his time in the area around the north shore of the Kinneret (Sea of Galilee). among the Jews of this Jewish area. He was bringing in the Messianic Kingdom to those who would understand it best, the Jews. But all the time, there was burning within him the knowledge that the blessings of Abraham would be extended, according to the promise, to all the peoples of the earth, the Gentiles, and there would be a new Kingdom, a new nation, transcending both Jews and Gentiles, the Kingdom of the people of God the Heavenly Father. He began his forays then into gentile areas, Phoenecia, the Decapolis, and other locales, and finding faith there such as he had not found "even in Israel".

A crossroads occurred, then, in the choice of Jesus, and consequently in the options of his disciples. It occurred in the Tetrarchy of Philip, at the foothills of Mt. Hermon, at the town of Caesarea Philipi. He knowing who he was, would force the question upon others - "Who do people say Me to be?". From the lips of Shim'on, whom he would call Peter, as leader of the others, He would hear - "You are the Messiah, the Son of the Living God!" It was enough. Jesus would then begin imparting to them what the nature of His mission to be - not to expel the Romans from the Holy Land, but to go to Jerusalem, to be betrayed, to be spurned and rejected by the High Priests and the Elders of the People, to be hung on a Roman cross at the hands of the Gentiles, to die. Casesarea Philipi was in between, on one hand, Gentile pervaded Roman Tiberius to the southwest of the Sea, and on the other hand, anti-Roman nationalistic and zealotic Gamla to the north east of the Sea. (This latter would end their rebellion against Rome by suicide on Matzada in 73 A.D). Those two polarities were present in the minds of the disciples and Jesus began, on one hand, to divest from their minds the one, the warrior role of the Messiah against the Romans, and the other, to renew their thinking and their commitment to Him as the self sacrificing Lamb of God, the Prince of Peace and the true Messiah of Israel, on the other hand.

This took place on the long 3 or 4 day journey by foot from Galilee to Jerusalem, along the [[Jordan River]] valley, coming to Jericho, ascending to Jerusalem from the east. It was in Jerusalem that he prepared and settled the matter for the perpetuation of the Church at the Lord's last supper of the Passover, to be made palpable later by the descent of the Holy Spirit. It was in Jerusalem, in the Garden of the Oil Press, that what He had been lead to believe about his mission and the meaning and manner of his death was fully embraced and accepted with no reservation or turning back. "Your will be done, Father, if there is no other way", and "There is no other way, Your will be done Father!" It was a perfect decision and commitment, perfecting his life to be a perfect sacrifice. And it was to the west just outside Jerusalem that His teachings came to a concretization and realization on the cross. And just outside of Jerusalem that His Father would vindicate him by raising him from the dead.

"No man takes my life from me. I have power to take it and I have power to lay it down... I lay down my life for the sheep." <ref>Bible, Gospel of John, 10:18,15 http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KjvJohn.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=10&division=div1</ref>

"Though He was in the form of God, He did not think equality with God something to grasp onto. But He emptied Himself and took to Himself the form of a servant and was made man, And being found in the form of a man, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the Cross. For this reason, God has exalted Him..."<ref>Bible, Philippians 2:6-9a, http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=KjvPhil.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=2&division=div1 </ref>

===Morality===
The fundamental principle in Christian moral teaching is love and forgiveness, as expressed by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ and the New Testament. Jesus summarized his teachings in two commandments from the Old Testament:

"'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." ([[Gospel of Matthew|Matthew]] 22:37-39; [[Book of Deuteronomy|Deuteronomy]] 6:5; Leviticus 19:18)

Constant debate has resulted as to how a person should express love for God in their moral behavior. This moral dialogue found expression in the New Testament, where the [[Apostle Paul]] addressed such controversies as [[circumcision]] ([[Epistle to the Romans|Romans]] 2:25-29), eating meat that was sacrificed to [[pagan]] deities (1 Corinthians 8), speculating about myths and genealogies (1 Timothy 1:3-5), and observing ceremonial dates and seasons (Galatians 4:9-11).

Regardless of a person's ethical interpretations, adherents commonly point to New Testament passages John 3:16 and 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 as scriptural depictions of love. The former states that <blockquote>"God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."</blockquote> The latter characterizes love, saying <blockquote>"Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."</blockquote>

Jesus Christ affirmed, "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." (John 13:35)

===The Atonement of Jesus on the Cross===
[[Image:Dalí The Christ of St. John of the Cross.jpg|thumb|The Christ of St. John of the Cross by [[Salvador Dalí]], 1951.]]
All Christians believe with the New Testament that the death of Jesus, along with His resurrection, is an indispensable proclamation of a crucial event for the reconciliation of lost sinners with God. There are three elements they see to understanding His death on the cross.

# Jesus having the knowledge that His path would lead to his own death, desired and willed that that take place, and persevered in that path though there was opportunity for Him to avoid it. Though there is ample recognition in the New Testament that others desired Him to die, and that the circumstances in which His path took him would bring Him to His end on earth, the mover of all these things was Himself and the will of the Father. "I have power to take my life and I have power to lay down my life. I lay down my life for the sheep."
# Jesus saw that in His death there would be a way for people to be brought back to the God from whom they were alienated and lost because of their sins. This would involve a substitution of Himself to effect that way. "For the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve and give His life as a ransom for many." How this would take place was not new to the Jews of His day from their understanding of contemporary everyday practice of substitute payment - as in redemption of the first-born (Pidyon Ha Ben), or in the understanding of what aggadic stories such as the Binding of [[Isaac]] implied (see [[Midrash]]), but it was not the prevalent view that the Messiah was to be that payment. Though while alive on earth, he had hinted at it in sayings such as "unless a seed falls and dies, it remains alone, but when it dies, it brings forth..", it was only after He had risen from the dead that He explained Scripture (the Old Testament) clearly about the necessity of His death to have taken place. The disciples would henceforth preach, and Peter among them, that the death of Jesus the Messiah and His resurrection was fore-planned and fore-ordained by God the Father, and foretold in the Scripture (Isaiah 53). And so, "The Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God".
# It was the belief in Scripture, that in His death a way back to God was made possible for those that were near to God—the Jews. And a way back to God for those that were far away—the Gentiles. That is why the New Testament saw in the requirements of God for Israel a fulfillment in Jesus the Messiah. He was the perfect Israel, taken out of Egypt, to redeem Israel. And that is why the New Testament saw in Jesus, a deepness to the incarnation of the Son of God, deeper than just a Jew of His time of a certain tribe. He was the "Second Adam" to redeem the sons of Adam. This encompassing perspective had further implications.

Christians of all generations have looked to the perfect Atonement, and the hope for reconciliation, accomplished by Jesus on the cross, to provide the means of understanding the solution to the vexing problems of the mind and of life itself - How can I make reconciliation with my enemies, with even the members of my own family, of race with race and people with people?; Does His death for the sins of the world include those who only partially understand, for the baby aborted, the feeble minded, and severely retarded?; For those who have never heard of Jesus, never been "enlightened", distant and remote in place and time?; Does His death for the sins of the world also include a remedy for the ills that have come as a result of those sins—certain sicknesses, ills of the mind, body and the soul? Do they "hold" for today?; Does His death make good, turn to the better, show the way, effect the way, of the illnesses that have befallen the world, not only by sin, but simply by the circumstances of life, of degeneration, of compounded dysfunction? How does the fruit of His death bring in somehow the Kingdom "among us"?

The death of the Son of God on the cross has provided the solution for sin, and it still holds its sway over the imagination and aspirations for the people of our generation.

===Salvation===
The Bible teaches that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). This is often interpreted to mean that everyone has displeased God and is now separated from him in a kind of alienation and enmity that results from the fundamental conflict between selfish human interests and God's interests (Romans 8:5-8; James 4:4).

However, Jesus offered a solution to this Biblical dilemma in that by repentance of sins and faith in him (Jesus), their sins would be forgiven. He said that "...the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins." ([[Gospel of Mark|Mark]] 2:10) Jesus also said, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Mark 2:17, and "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men" (Mark 2:28)

Jesus Christ taught that "unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" ([[Gospel of John|John]] 3:3). Protestant Evangelical Christianity often use the terms "saved" and "born again" interchangeably. Other Christians, notably the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church use the phrase ''born again'' as a synonym for [[baptism|baptized]]. "Jesus answered, Amen, amen, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." (John 3:5)

Christians are expected to continue living by Christ's teachings (John 8:31), as is appropriate for "children of Light" (Ephesians 5:8-10). Some believe that this is necessary in order to stay saved. However, this is a common misconception of the text. It is rather referring to proving that one is a child of God by their "fruit" (things that they do and how they behave). Christians in the Reformed tradition (following the teaching of the 16th century French lawyer [[John Calvin]], as well as the faith outlined in the Belgic and Heidleberg Confessions) say that salvation is irrevocable and that it cannot be lost, if it were genuinely part of one's life to begin with. Reformed Christians (often called [[Calvinists]]) often point to Romans 8:38-39 as validation of their belief: "For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38-39; [[NASB]]). According to Calvinists, the reason it cannot be lost by natural things is because salvation was obtained through a supernatural being, namely Jesus Christ. This does not negate Jesus' human side, only that he was both one-hundred percent God and one-hundred percent man, according to the [[Council of Chalcedon]] (A. D. 451). The Bible also makes it clear that mankind cannot earn their salvation, and that it is a free gift.

== Resurrection of Jesus Christ ==
[[Image:Jesus resurrected.jpg|thumb|left|200px|"The Resurrection" by Carl Heinrich Bloch]]
The [[Resurrection of Jesus Christ|resurrection of Jesus Christ]] is critical to the Christian faith. The Apostle Paul wrote, "if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain" (I Cor:15:14). Traditionally, Christianity has believed in a physical resurrection of Jesus Christ.<ref>http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/crj0056a.txt</ref>

In recent history Gary Habermas is considered the foremost [[Christian apologetics|Christian apologist]] for defending the resurrection of Jesus.<ref>Habermas, Gary, [http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/dialog_rexperience/dialog_rexperiences.htm Experiences of the Risen Jesus: The Foundational Historical Issue in the Early Proclamation of the Resurrection], ''Dialog: A Journal of Theology'', Vol. 45; No. 3 (Fall, 2006), pp. 288-297.</ref><ref>"Wildcat" and Holding, J.P., [http://www.tektonics.org/books/lichabrvw.html Book review of "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus"], 22nd June, 2004 (Tektonics)</ref><ref>Habermas, Gary, [http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/NTeSources/NTArticles/CTR-NT/Habermas-Resurrection1-CTR.pdf Jesus' Resurrection and Contemporary Criticism: An Apologetic] ''Criswell Theological Review'' 4.1 (1989) 159-74.</ref><ref>Habermas, Gary, [http://www.garyhabermas.com/articles/crj_explainingaway/crj_explainingaway.htm Explaining Away Jesus' Resurrection:
The Recent Revival of Hallucination Theories], Christian Research Journal / vol. 23, no. 4, 2001.</ref><ref>Habermas, Gary, [http://www.apologetics.com/default.jsp?bodycontent=/articles/historical_apologetics/habermas-nt.html Why I Believe The New Testament Is Historically Reliable] (Apologetics.com)</ref>
Other notable and contemporary defenders of the resurrection include: [[William Lane Craig]],<ref>Craig, William Lane, [http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/menus/historical.html Articles: Historical Jesus]</ref> [[Lee Strobel]], [[Josh McDowell]],<ref>McDowell, Josh, [http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/josh2.html Evidence for the Resurrection], 1992.</ref> [[Edwin M. Yamauchi]],<ref>Jamauchi, Edwin M., [http://www.leaderu.com/everystudent/easter/articles/yama.html Easter: Myth, Hallucination, or History?]</ref> [[N.T. Wright]]<ref>Wright, N.T., [http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Early_Traditions.htm Early Traditions and the Origins of Christianity], ''Sewanee Theological Review'' 41.2, 1998.</ref> and [[Michael Horner]].<ref>Horner, Michael, [http://www.michaelhorner.com/articles/resurrection/index.html Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead?]</ref>

===The Meaning of the Resurrection for Christians===

The Fact of the Resurrection of Christ is a key element of the preaching of the message about Jesus and an essential of Christian belief. But there are also certain effects that this belief has on the lives of believers.

1. It is because Jesus rose from the dead, that believers now can resort to a living Savior to help and deliver them from sin and from situations overwhelming for them by their own powers.

2. The New Testament sees in the resurrection of Christ a certain vindication of what apparently to the world and to all beings was a failure and an overcoming of Him by His crucifixion. He was "declared to be the Son of God" by His resurrection. This brings believers in Him to a strong confidence in the determined power of God to both vindicate in their own lives and to bring His reign upon earth.

3. The coming of Jesus back to life means to the believer that, indeed, their sins are totally forgiven. This is because believers know that His death was as a payment for sins - a "wage of death" for our sins that He received in our stead. If He remained dead, believers would know that the wage had not been fully paid. His resurrection, carries with it our knowledge that our sin with its attendant death has been totally and finally paid for.

4. It is a now living Savior that Christians know can go before them, can closely lead them through life - as He did when He was on earth. This makes following Him practical and real.

5. The New Testament reveals that it is the Risen Christ who received from the Father the Holy Spirit and He, through Himself ascended to the Father, has given the Holy Spirit to us. This gives the believer in Christ both the knowledge and the power to live a godly life, and live a life that can be an intimately and personally directed one.

6. The resurrected Christ was no mere reassembling of the molecules and particles of the Body that had been crucified. It was, indeed, a physical body, but one that was fully under the Spirit's control, guidance, and empowerment. It was a "spiritual body". Christians know that likewise, they will one day be granted the nature of a spiritual body, and full of health. They therefore are full of hope and consolations, and consider that even now in this life, there is an overcoming through Him, a restoration, and that tears, even now, are wiped away.

== Evangelism ==
In what is called the [[Great Commission]], Jesus sent his disciples out into the world to preach the Gospel (literally "good news") and make disciples.
:'''Great Commission'''
:''But the eleven disciples proceeded to [[Galilee]], to the mountain which Jesus had designated. When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in [[heaven]] and on [[earth]]." Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the [[#God the Father|Father]] and the [[#God the Son|Son]] and the [[#God the Holy Spirit|Holy Spirit]], teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."'' --[[Gospel of Matthew|Matthew]] 28:16-20 [[New American Standard Bible|NASB]]

[[Image:Gleyre The Departure of the Apostles.jpg|thumb|240px|The Departure of the Apostles by [[Charles Gleyre]].]]
 

==History of the name "Christian"==
Some early Christian churches called themselves "The Way" and the adherents were called Nazarenes after the city of [[Nazareth]] where Jesus lived. The origin of both the name Nazarenes and the City of Nazareth may be found in the Hebrew root for both words - NeTSeR. A Netser is a growth from the roots or stock of a tree. Netser was used to prophetically signify the coming descendent who would come from Jessie and who would rule over Israel and be filled with the Spirit of God. "A shoot springs from the stock of Jessie, a new growth/branch (Netser) thrusts from his roots, and the Spirit of the LORD will rest upon him." Isaiah 11:1

The name Christian arose in [[Antioch]] in the first century A. D. and its use spread, probably closer to mid-century since it is recorded in the [[Acts of the Apostles|Book of Acts]] (Acts:11:26)

==See also==
[[Image:Orthodox churches icon artwork.jpg|thumb|Orthodox Church's icon artwork.]]
'''Denominations or branches of Christianity'''
*[[Roman Catholic Church]]
*[[Orthodox Church]]
*[[Protestantism|Protestant]]
**[[Amish]]
**[[Baptist]]
**[[Church of England]] or ''Anglican Church''
**[[Episcopal Church in the United States of America]] (or ''Episcopal Church'' or ''Episcopalians'') (Non-UK branch of the Anglican Church)
**[[Evangelical Christianity]]
**[[Fundamentalism]]
**[[Lutheran]]
**[[Mennonite]]
**[[Methodist]]
***[[United Methodist Church]]
**[[Pentecostal]]
**[[Plymouth Brethren]]
**[[Presbyterian]]
**[[Religious Society of Friends]] (Quakers)
**[[Seventh-day Adventist]]

'''Disputed'''
*[[Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints]]
*[[Christian Science]]
*[[Unification Church]]<ref>A Presbyterian minister, Moon in 1946 began to proclaim his own version of Christianity, the doctrines of which he explained in The Divine Principle (1952). The Holy Spirit Association for the Unification of World Christianity, established 2 years later, rapidly won converts in Korea, Japan, and, in the 1960s, the United States. [http://www.christianarsenal.com/cults/CultDef18.htm] </ref>

'''Other articles'''
*[[Aramaic Church]]
*[[Cathedral]]
*[[Catholicism]]
*[[Christian apologetics]] (Defense of Christianity)
*[[Christianity and Science]]
*[[Church]]
*[[Conservative Christianity]]
*[[Eucharist]]
*[[Evangelical Apostolic Church of North America (Syro-Chaldean)]]
*[[Jesus Christ]]
*[[Judaism]]
*[[Liberal Christianity]]
*[[New Testament understanding through the Jewish perspective]]
*[[Passover Seder]]
*[[Persecution of Christians]]
*[[Red-letter Christian]]
*[[Sign of the Cross]]

==Bibliography==

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==External Links==
*[http://www.christianity.com/ Christianity] by Christianity.com
*[http://www.allaboutreligion.org/christianity.htm Christianity] by AllAboutReligion.com
*[http://www.christianity.co.nz/ Exploring Christianity]

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==External Links==
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:I assume you mean libelling not slandering. And if you really, honestly think I’m wrong, then I don’t think you’ll have long until you are forced into changing your mind. And please don't think I'm going to take a warning from you at all seriously - if pointing out the obvious is a blocking offense then... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 11:39, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
::Yes, I mean libel not slander. I didn't know that slander is always spoken while libel is always written. Thank you for the correction. In making the initial point, I was not stating my opinion whether I think you are right or wrong. However, your comment was lodged within a discussion involving the higher-ups at this site and was a one-off comment against another editor with far higher standing than you. Regardless of whether you turn out to be right or wrong, that is not appropriate behavior. Leave this matter to the senior editors to decide. I look forward to your contributions. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 15:14, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

==Buger's edit==
What Bugler wrote on the Big Science talk page was something he clearly changed his mind about and removed; you had no business putting it back. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:10, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:He is a bit isn't he.... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:12, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::Even he recognized going too far, hence the reversion. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:14, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I don't think he'll ever consider that he's gone too far. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:16, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Warning: any more harassment of another editor will result in the blocking of your account.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
:Poor old Bugler. I don't mean to spoil his fun. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 13:07, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
::Bugler the harassed...
::Who is Bugler? I cannot find his page. [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:39, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:::Bugler was a well-known user who just last night admitted to being a parodist. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::::Really? That isn't good! [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:41, 1 January 2009 (EST)

He was blocked for five years and his page was deleted. [[User:DuncanB|Duncan]][[User talk:DuncanB|Channel 16]] 14:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:Another suspected parodist (AlexanderM) was also blocked for five years. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:44, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:: Only RodWeathers left to go! [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 14:45, 1 January 2009 (EST) So sad that people think it is better to subvert than create. The sould distresses and crumbles.

Talk:Atheist agenda

2009-01-04T17:35:05Z

Kaylee19892: New page: Childish parody. ~~~~

Childish parody. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 12:35, 4 January 2009 (EST)

User talk:Kaylee19892

2009-01-04T17:23:59Z

Kaylee19892: What the??????

{{welcome}}

==Foxtrot Warning==

Please refrain from slandering a prominent editor in such a sarcastic way. Leave this discussion to the senior members of the site. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 00:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
:I assume you mean libelling not slandering. And if you really, honestly think I’m wrong, then I don’t think you’ll have long until you are forced into changing your mind. And please don't think I'm going to take a warning from you at all seriously - if pointing out the obvious is a blocking offense then... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 11:39, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
::Yes, I mean libel not slander. I didn't know that slander is always spoken while libel is always written. Thank you for the correction. In making the initial point, I was not stating my opinion whether I think you are right or wrong. However, your comment was lodged within a discussion involving the higher-ups at this site and was a one-off comment against another editor with far higher standing than you. Regardless of whether you turn out to be right or wrong, that is not appropriate behavior. Leave this matter to the senior editors to decide. I look forward to your contributions. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 15:14, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

==Buger's edit==
What Bugler wrote on the Big Science talk page was something he clearly changed his mind about and removed; you had no business putting it back. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:10, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:He is a bit isn't he.... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:12, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::Even he recognized going too far, hence the reversion. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:14, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I don't think he'll ever consider that he's gone too far. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:16, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Warning: any more harassment of another editor will result in the blocking of your account.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
:Poor old Bugler. I don't mean to spoil his fun. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 13:07, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
::Bugler the harassed...
::Who is Bugler? I cannot find his page. [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:39, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:::Bugler was a well-known user who just last night admitted to being a parodist. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::::Really? That isn't good! [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:41, 1 January 2009 (EST)

He was blocked for five years and his page was deleted. [[User:DuncanB|Duncan]][[User talk:DuncanB|Channel 16]] 14:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:Another suspected parodist (AlexanderM) was also blocked for five years. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:44, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:: Only RodWeathers left to go! [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 14:45, 1 January 2009 (EST)

User talk:Kaylee19892

2009-01-04T17:14:20Z

Kaylee19892: /* Buger's edit */

{{welcome}}

==Foxtrot Warning==

Please refrain from slandering a prominent editor in such a sarcastic way. Leave this discussion to the senior members of the site. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 00:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
:I assume you mean libelling not slandering. And if you really, honestly think I’m wrong, then I don’t think you’ll have long until you are forced into changing your mind. And please don't think I'm going to take a warning from you at all seriously - if pointing out the obvious is a blocking offense then... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 11:39, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
::Yes, I mean libel not slander. I didn't know that slander is always spoken while libel is always written. Thank you for the correction. In making the initial point, I was not stating my opinion whether I think you are right or wrong. However, your comment was lodged within a discussion involving the higher-ups at this site and was a one-off comment against another editor with far higher standing than you. Regardless of whether you turn out to be right or wrong, that is not appropriate behavior. Leave this matter to the senior editors to decide. I look forward to your contributions. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 15:14, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

==Buger's edit==
What Bugler wrote on the Big Science talk page was something he clearly changed his mind about and removed; you had no business putting it back. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:10, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:He is a bit isn't he.... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:12, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::Even he recognized going too far, hence the reversion. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:14, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I don't think he'll ever consider that he's gone too far. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:16, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Warning: any more harassment of another editor will result in the blocking of your account.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
:Poor old Bugler. I don't mean to spoil his fun. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 13:07, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
::Bugler the harassed...
::Who is Bugler? I cannot find his page. [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:39, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:::Bugler was a well-known user who just last night admitted to being a parodist. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::::Really? That isn't good! [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:41, 1 January 2009 (EST)

He was blocked for five years and his page was deleted. [[User:DuncanB|Duncan]][[User talk:DuncanB|Channel 16]] 14:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:Another suspected parodist (AlexanderM) was also blocked for five years. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:44, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:: Only RodWeathers left to go! [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 14:45, 1 January 2009 (EST)

User talk:Kaylee19892

2009-01-04T17:13:28Z

Kaylee19892:

{{welcome}}

==Foxtrot Warning==

Please refrain from slandering a prominent editor in such a sarcastic way. Leave this discussion to the senior members of the site. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 00:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
:I assume you mean libelling not slandering. And if you really, honestly think I’m wrong, then I don’t think you’ll have long until you are forced into changing your mind. And please don't think I'm going to take a warning from you at all seriously - if pointing out the obvious is a blocking offense then... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 11:39, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
::Yes, I mean libel not slander. I didn't know that slander is always spoken while libel is always written. Thank you for the correction. In making the initial point, I was not stating my opinion whether I think you are right or wrong. However, your comment was lodged within a discussion involving the higher-ups at this site and was a one-off comment against another editor with far higher standing than you. Regardless of whether you turn out to be right or wrong, that is not appropriate behavior. Leave this matter to the senior editors to decide. I look forward to your contributions. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 15:14, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

==Buger's edit==
What Bugler wrote on the Big Science talk page was something he clearly changed his mind about and removed; you had no business putting it back. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:10, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:He is a bit isn't he.... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:12, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::Even he recognized going too far, hence the reversion. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:14, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I don't think he'll ever consider that he's gone too far. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:16, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Warning: any more harassment of another editor will result in the blocking of your account.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
:Poor old Bugler. I don't mean to spoil his fun. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 13:07, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
::Bugler the harassed...
::Who is Bugler? I cannot find his page. [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:39, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:::Bugler was a well-known user who just last night admitted to being a parodist. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::::Really? That isn't good! [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:41, 1 January 2009 (EST)

He was blocked for five years and his page was deleted. [[User:DuncanB|Duncan]][[User talk:DuncanB|Channel 16]] 14:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:Another suspected parodist (AlexanderM) was also blocked for five years. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:44, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:: Only RodWeathers left to go! [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 14:45, 1 January 2009 (EST)

GOD TV

2009-01-01T20:02:11Z

Kaylee19892:

'''GOD TV''' is a British Christian television channel started by Rory and Wendy Alec in 1995<ref>http://www.god.tv/godtv/the_story</ref>. It is available on the SKY Digital platform and has the mission statement of 'With a servant's heart we will equip His Body to reach the lost through media. This ministry exists to enable every television household to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ so that they may believe in Him, call upon His name, and be saved.'

== References ==
<references/>

[[Category: Television]]

GOD TV

2009-01-01T19:58:01Z

Kaylee19892: New page: '''GOD TV''' is a British Christian television channel started by Rory and Wendy Alec in 1995<ref>http://www.god.tv/godtv/the_story</ref>. == References == <references/>

'''GOD TV''' is a British Christian television channel started by Rory and Wendy Alec in 1995<ref>http://www.god.tv/godtv/the_story</ref>.

== References ==
<references/>

User talk:Kaylee19892

2009-01-01T19:45:39Z

Kaylee19892: /* Buger's edit */

{{welcome}}

==Foxtrot Warning==

Please refrain from slandering a prominent editor in such a sarcastic way. Leave this discussion to the senior members of the site. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 00:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
:I assume you mean libelling not slandering. And if you really, honestly think I’m wrong, then I don’t think you’ll have long until you are forced into changing your mind. And please don't think I'm going to take a warning from you at all seriously - if pointing out the obvious is a blocking offense then... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 11:39, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
::Yes, I mean libel not slander. I didn't know that slander is always spoken while libel is always written. Thank you for the correction. In making the initial point, I was not stating my opinion whether I think you are right or wrong. However, your comment was lodged within a discussion involving the higher-ups at this site and was a one-off comment against another editor with far higher standing than you. Regardless of whether you turn out to be right or wrong, that is not appropriate behavior. Leave this matter to the senior editors to decide. I look forward to your contributions. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 15:14, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

==Buger's edit==
What Bugler wrote on the Big Science talk page was something he clearly changed his mind about and removed; you had no business putting it back. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:10, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:He is a bit isn't he.... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:12, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::Even he recognized going too far, hence the reversion. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:14, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::I don't think he'll ever consider that he's gone too far. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 16:16, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

Warning: any more harassment of another editor will result in the blocking of your account.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
:Poor old Bugler. I don't mean to spoil his fun. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 13:07, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
::Bugler the harassed...
::Who is Bugler? I cannot find his page. [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:39, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:::Bugler was a well-known user who just last night admitted to being a parodist. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:40, 1 January 2009 (EST)
::::Really? That isn't good! [[User:Bojenmi|Bojenmi]] 14:41, 1 January 2009 (EST)

He was blocked for five years and his page was deleted. [[User:DuncanB|Duncan]][[User talk:DuncanB|Channel 16]] 14:42, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:Another suspected parodist (AlexanderM) was also blocked for five years. [[User:JY23|JY23]] 14:44, 1 January 2009 (EST)
:: Only RodWeathers left to go! [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 14:45, 1 January 2009 (EST)

User talk:Kaylee19892

2009-01-01T19:37:40Z

Kaylee19892: Bugler Harassing

User talk:Kaylee19892

2008-10-23T17:07:44Z

Kaylee19892: /* Buger's edit */

Anton Chekhov

2008-10-23T17:05:33Z

Kaylee19892: New page: '''Anton Pavlovich Checkhov born in 1860 and dying in 1904, was a Russian dramatist and short-story author. == Career == He studied at the Moscow University qualifying as a doctor in 18...

'''Anton Pavlovich Checkhov born in 1860 and dying in 1904, was a Russian dramatist and short-story author.

== Career ==

He studied at the Moscow University qualifying as a doctor in 1884. He started as a writer with short stories (writing fifty in all) and sketches while a student.

He is most known for his plays, but these did not first appear until the last years of the nineteenth century.

The Cherry Orchard

2008-10-23T16:59:57Z

Kaylee19892:

'''The Cherry Orchard''' is the most famous play by Russian writer [[Anton Chekhov]]. It was first performed in 1904 at the Moscow Art Theatre. It's climatic anti-climax is much studied with people today still disagreeing about whether its classification is that of a tragedy or comedy.

The Cherry Orchard

2008-10-23T16:55:20Z

Kaylee19892: New page: '''The Cherry Orchard''' is the most famous play by Russian writer Anton Chekhov. It was first performed in 1903.

'''The Cherry Orchard''' is the most famous play by Russian writer Anton Chekhov. It was first performed in 1903.

Talk:American History Signup

2008-10-23T16:52:56Z

Kaylee19892:

I should very much like to have signed up to this. I know that my knowledge of American history is very deficient (although less so since I have found Conservapedia). However, as I am currently on a PhD programme researching a topic of modern British history, I feel that I have enough on my plate! I wish you well with this, Andy and all your students, and hope that you all find it challenging and enjoyable. Although not participating actively, I'll be reading with interest. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:31, 23 August 2008 (EDT)

: Thank you, Bugler, and your insights from your side of the "pond" will be most appreciated as this course progresses! I also greatly enjoy your edits to other entries.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:33, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
:: Not councelling then as you say on you user talk page? How long can you keep this up? [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 12:52, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Menstruation

2008-10-07T20:39:34Z

Kaylee19892:

'''Menstruation''' occurs at the end of a [[woman]]'s menstrual cycle. The lining of the [[uterus]] is shed and expelled from the body to prepare the uterus for a fertilized [[ovum]]. Menstruation occurs in humans and more developed apes, including [[gorillas]] and [[orangutan]]s <ref>[http://www.4woman.gov/faq/menstru.htm#4 Menstruation and the Menstrual Cycle, from the US Dept. of Health and Human Services]</ref> from [[puberty]] to [[menopause]].
==Menstruation and the Bible==
Under [[Old Testament]] law, a woman was to be put apart during menstruation:
{{Bible quote|And if a woman have an issue, [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.
|book=Leviticus|chap=15|verses=19-24|version=KJV}}

==References==
<references/>
[[Category:Biology]]
[[Category:Human Development]]

User talk:Kaylee19892

2008-10-01T20:16:34Z

Kaylee19892: /* Buger's edit */

User talk:Kaylee19892

2008-10-01T20:12:19Z

Kaylee19892: /* Buger's edit */

Talk:Essay:Big science

2008-10-01T20:05:48Z

Kaylee19892:

This <s>essay</s> article needs a whole heck of a lot more references than the, uh, zero that it currently contains. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:12, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
:"The aim of furthering 'world government' and the overthrow of national sovereignty"? This is pushing paranoia and hysteria to new levels of credulity. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 14:48, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

== Rename or something ==

I suggest this article be deleted (since it was created to prove a point), moved to essay, or at least renamed. The term "Big science" is already defined. Please read the Britannica article on the subject for its definition and the history of the phrase. We can't just redefine established terms. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 11:53, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
:'''Delete'''..... Hrm, on second thought, maybe '''move to essay''' with the proper redirects so that nobody in the future gets the bright idea to do it again. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 11:55, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
::I agree with both of you. It's just not encyclopedic, & would take a lot of work to make it even remotely encyclopedic. Delete or move to essay. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 11:57, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
:: I would support moving this to Essay (definitely better than deleting it). On a side note, in the general case, I don't think we should let the main-stream media and others dictate term definitions for us. --[[User:DRamon|DRamon]] 12:15, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
:::There are two problems: (1) I don't think Britannica is part of the MSM and (2) the term "big science" (and anything with "big" used to denote "evil capitalist" e.g. big oil, big pharma) was ''invented'' by the MSM. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:21, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

== Mention of Conservapedia ==

A mention of Conservapedia is way over the top. This is an encyclopedia, not a press release. Also, the statement itself didn't mediate the rest of the article, it attempted to confirm the article's conclusions. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 15:04, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
: I partially agree, which is why ultimately I think moving this to Essay is the best solution (since in that scenario, we can keep the Conservapedia references). --[[User:DRamon|DRamon]] 15:09, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

==Response==
I defy the drivel contained in the posts above, contributed by overt and closet [[Liberals]] and fellow-travellers at the cesspit. The Liberal clique has revealed itself in its full, unappetising colours. If any of you dogs had any sense of decency you would come out in your open colours and resign from CP; instead, you prefer to be cancerous cells, attempting to destroy it from within. Well, you will fail, anmd what goes around, comes around. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 16:47, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
:So rather than defending the statememts made in the article by responding to any of the specific criticisms we have raised in a meaningful way, you choose to insult the people who have raised them and reduce any free discussion to the level of accusations and pejoratives. I can't say that this surprises me very much, but I find it disappointing that, on what is intended to be an encyclopedia, certain individuals are allowed to declaim their own opinions as facts, contrary to the general consensus, and throw insults around which, if used by any other editor, would probably result in them being banned. [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 17:22, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
::I have tried to make small edits with a clear edit comment on each, to make discussion easier. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:58, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
:::The whole problem with this article is that it takes something that is already well defined and gives a completely different definition. The content here may or may not be true, but this is not "big science". I suggest rather than giving personal opinions about SCIENCE we start bringing academic references (EB) to the discussion. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 20:33, 19 September 2008 (EDT)
::::Academic references? HenryS, using professors and their collegiate cronies to verify science is like trying to drown a fire in gas. The article is fine the way it is going, but some of the information about it's aims should be both expanded and specified. [[User:PCarson|PCarson]] 13:55, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::Encyclopedia Brittanica is part of the science conspiracy? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:57, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
Big Science exists, and its malign tentacles spread across the globe. Don't deny this; it is a fact that the establishment exists to promote its liberal virews and crush dissent. By constantly damaging tghis article, you are playing into their hands. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:00, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:PS: I am not deaf. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:02, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::No, but you can't read. From [[Conservapedia:Commandments|the Commandments]]: "Everything you post must be true and verifiable" and "''Always cite[3] and give credit to your sources''". Just add some sources, and you won't need the tag. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 14:04, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::''you can't read'' Oh, and of course HelpJazz is ''never'' insulting... I know that everything in this article is the truth, and you and HenryS should trust me. My business is to create an encyclopaedia, and I try to keep busy making new articles. I don't notice you creating anything, except unnecessary trouble and fuss. Instead of me finding citations for you, if you feel it so important why don't you find some? You might find that doing some positive work for once, rather than a drip, drip, drip of carping and destructive criticism, would do you some good. And you would find out things that might help end your wooly-minded admiration of these Liberal charlatans. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:09, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::::"I know that everything in this article is the truth, and you and HenryS should trust me." HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Oh thank you Bugler, that gave me a good, healthy laugh. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 14:15, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::That response is the measure of you - a pathetic, LITTLE creature. Despicable. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:16, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
That's why this article is going to be expanded, to include detail and sources. Saying that scientists lie and distort is one thing, but if there isn't anything to back that statement up then all this article would be is "our word against them", and we can't have that. Just take a step back, look over the article as it is, and put some meat in it. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 14:12, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:OK: from you, that's fine. You are someone to be respected. I am not going to take it from a saboteur and troll. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:14, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::Not that it would harm JazzMan to do some work for a change. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:16, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::Helpjazz is neither. And this site has a history of that fact. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 14:18, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::::He flaunts his activities on another site. He dogs me on this one. His modus operandi is corrosive criticism. He does no constructive work. Since he seems to be Mr Popularity, I am happy to let him be. I only wish he would extend the same [[courtesy]] to me. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:23, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
:::::I dunno, look at your edits today and look at mine. Who's dogging whom? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 14:42, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
::::::I don't follow you round making snide alterations to your articles - possibly because you haven't written any. Oh, sorry. I forgot - you've got a note. ''Dear Conservapedia, Please don't make my little HelpJazz do any work, it makes him come over all funny. Yours, Mrs Jazz. P.S. His liniment is in the blue bottle.''. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:46, 1 October 2008 (EDT)

User talk:Kaylee19892

2008-09-12T15:56:00Z

Kaylee19892: /* Warning */

SS Great Britain

2008-09-12T15:55:02Z

Kaylee19892:

The '''SS Great Britain''' is a iron steamship built in the British city of [[Bristol]] in 1843. It was built by the Great Western Steamship Company under the supervision of [[Isambard Kingdom Brunel]]. This ground-breaking vessell set the standards for ship-building in the modern era.<ref>http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/England-History/ssGreatBritain.htm</ref>

At the time of her construction, she was the largest ship afloat and the first ocean going to be propella driven.

It was built for transatlantic passenger travel and was launched on the 19th of July, 1843 in the presence of [[Prince Albert]]. <ref>http://www.theheritagetrail.co.uk/maritime/SS%20Great%20Britain.htm</ref>. Her first transatlantic trip was on the 26th July, 1845, with a crossing that took only 14 days.

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Kaylee19892:

The '''SS Great Britain''' is a iron steam steamship built in the British city of [[Bristol]] in 1843. It was built by the Great Western Steamship Company under the supervision of [[Isambard Kingdom Brunel]]. This ground-breaking vessell set the standards for ship-building in the modern era.<ref>http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/England-History/ssGreatBritain.htm</ref>

At the time of her construction, she was the largest ship afloat and the first ocean going to be propella driven.

It was built for transatlantic passenger travel and was launched on the 19th of July, 1843 in the presence of [[Prince Albert]]. <ref>http://www.theheritagetrail.co.uk/maritime/SS%20Great%20Britain.htm</ref>. Her first transatlantic trip was on the 26th July, 1845, with a crossing that took only 14 days.

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SS Great Britain

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Kaylee19892:

The '''SS Great Britain''' is a iron steam steamship built in the British city of [[Bristol]] in 1843. It was built by the Great Western Steamship Company under the supervision of [[Isambard Kingdom Brunel]]. This ground-breaking vessell set the standards for ship-building in the modern era.<ref>http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/England-History/ssGreatBritain.htm</ref>

At the time of her construction, she was the largest ship afloat and the first ocean going propella driven.

It was built for transatlantic passenger travel and was launched on the 19th of July, 1843 in the presence of [[Prince Albert]]. <ref>http://www.theheritagetrail.co.uk/maritime/SS%20Great%20Britain.htm</ref>.

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Kaylee19892:

SS Great Britain

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Kaylee19892: New page: The '''SS Great Britain''' is a iron steam steamship built in the British city of Bristol in 1843.

The '''SS Great Britain''' is a iron steam steamship built in the British city of [[Bristol]] in 1843.

User talk:Kaylee19892

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Kaylee19892:

{{welcome}}

==Warning==

Please refrain from slandering a prominent editor in such a sarcastic way. Leave this discussion to the senior members of the site. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 00:03, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
:I assume you mean libelling not slandering. And if you really, honestly think I’m wrong, then I don’t think you’ll have long until you are forced into changing your mind. And please don't think I'm going to take a warning from you at all seriously - if pointing out the obvious is a blocking offense then... [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 11:39, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

User talk:Learn together

2008-09-11T16:37:17Z

Kaylee19892:

{{Welcome|sig=[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]]}}

[[User talk:Learn together/1|Archive]]

==Contest==
How about joining us on team one (to be named) in the contest?--[[User:Tash|Tash]] 19:49, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

:It would be an honor to be on a team where you are captain. Count me in. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:58, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Great! We're going to need you--[[User:Tash|Tash]] 10:48, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

::The contest begins today( Sep. 28) at noon, please check out our [[Conservapedia:Team Airborne|team page]]. Thanks, --[[User:Tash|Tash]] 08:51, 28 September 2007 (EDT)
== Rocker1973 ==

Can you block this user? He is doing some sort of vandalism that messes up pages badly. Look at http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Larry_Craig&diff=299153&oldid=289755 . http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=National_Rifle_Association&diff=299171&oldid=299152 shows how it works. [[User:SkipJohnson|SkipJohnson]] 16:50, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
:Thank you for noticing this and for your prompt revisions. He has been removed. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:58, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

*Beat me by 30 seconds! But I did block the IP range of all his proxies. --[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]] 16:59, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

::I just help sweep the streets my friend; you're the one who comes through and paves it. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 17:01, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

*Better get a warranty if I do any paving! :p --[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]] 17:28, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

==Contest Points==
Great job raking up points yesterday!! <s>I'm trying to get a accurate tally of yesterdays points for Team Airborne and I'm wondering when you were planning on recording a tally of your points for yesterday. If you want me to help record them for you, i would be happy to help (I'm recording Ed Poor's points right now since he dislikes the recording precess).</s> Keep up the good work!--[[User:Tash|Tash]] 17:01, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

:I've created a page ([[User:Learn together/Contest2]]) to record your points, and have recorded yesterdays on it. Please feel free to update and change as needed.Thanks!--[[User:Tash|Tash]] 17:43, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

== Urgent Matter... ==

Please contact me if you are around.... --[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]] 04:32, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

== Sanford Ransdell Article ==

I wrote the Sanford Ransdell article. I was told that I could bring material that I wrote over to Conservapedia. If that's not the case then I apologize. [[User:Dwain|Dwain]] 09:39, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

:LearnTogether, yes Dwain is the originator of numerous WP articles, and we'd be happy to have his original, uncensored versions here. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 12:06, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

::::No problem gentlemen. I help to guard the site based on the information on hand. If there's more than I am aware of and you have the situation covered then that's fine. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:32, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

== [[Alchohol]] ==

It is a very nice article, but it's spelled incorrectly. It's ok, it has to happen to everyone sometime, right? ;-) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:27, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

:Thanks for catching it. I followed the link from the Abby Hoffman article and created it, but didn't catch that it was spelled wrong. I've corrected it in the Hoffman article as well. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:44, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

==Counting Contest Points==
If you could total your [http://www.conservapedia.com/User:Learn_together/Contest2 contest points] for today that would be great (doesn't have to be exact to the .9999)- I have my SAT's on Saturday so I'm kind of running short on time and want to get some editing in tonight. Great job racking up points!! Thanks--[[User:Tash|Tash]] 20:03, 2 October 2007 (EDT) ([http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia_talk:Team_Airborne#Point_System here's] a link to the points guide)

:Sure Tash, and thanks for doing this for me as the contest has gone alone. Good luck on your SAT's. I'll need to leave shortly myself, so I won't be able to tabulate it until tomorrow. Hopefully that won't hurt anything. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:09, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

==Points==
What's with all the red links in your edits for day seven? They don't show having been deleted. :{ --[[User:BethanyS|Beth]][[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']] 14:23, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

:I'm still editing the page Bethany. Hopefully they'll be fixed up soon. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:25, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

The contest is over since 12:00 noon. You shouldn't be counting the ones after that. BTW great contest. Really exciting.--[[User:BethanyS|Beth]][[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']] 14:28, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

:Yes, it was lots of fun. Hope you guys all enjoyed it. ;-) But don't worry Bethany, I'm not counting new ones, I'm just organizing the ones I did. ;-) I dump my day's work, then I move them line by line to where they should be. Sometimes its quicker for me to just retype them, so case errors can pop it. All the red should be gone now for day 7. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:39, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

I also notice that [[Justice Joseph Story]] is after 12:00.--[[User:BethanyS|Beth]][[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']] 14:35, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

:My last edit was after 12:00, but I had earlier ones the same day. I'm only counting the early ones. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:39, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

::Great job man! You pushed us over the victory line...--[[User:Tash|Tash]] 14:58, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

:::Hey, you got your first victory! ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:51, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

==Bush National Guard==

So was Dan Quayle. The difference is, Quayle actually reported for duty and caught hell, while Bush missed most of his training and didn't catch nearly the flak. [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 16:20, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

:Part of the Dan Quayle article shows the double standard used against him that was not applied to others, especially those who came directly afterwards. Quayle was filleted for serving in the guard instead of fighting in Vietnam -- then along comes Bill Clinton. After 8 years of Clinton who didn't fight in Vietnam or serve in the National Guard, the bar was set pretty low. Bush at least spending some time in the guard was a step up. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 19:31, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

*Maestro, you are merely repeating, nazi like, the '''BIG LIE'''. Bush, according to all documentation not presented by Dan Rather, missed nothing much, and was fully flight qualified. It is open to speculation only as to how "officially" sanctioned his doing his flight quals elsewhere was, but I can tell you from personal experience, it was quite normal to do so. And that fact has also been reported nationally, but ignored amongst the hype. Please try to remember the original allegations were not that he wasn't fully trained or qualified, but that his connections allowed him to take that training in other places. Later it was minipulated, spun into his actually not receiving the necessary training. That has been completely, and factually disproved. That is why Rather was <s>fired</s> allowed early retirement. --[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]] 20:24, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

== My friend ==

Where are you? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 15:15, 5 November 2007 (EST)

:I am here my friend; I have just been very busy. Hope you are doing well and God's blessing to you. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:04, 8 November 2007 (EST)

==Contest==
Hello Learn Together - given that in the last contest you were one of the top two contributors - you have been made a captain in the [[Contest3|newest contest]]. The tentative starting date is Friday the 9th, and it runs for 7 days. Pick as many people as you want for your team - however, only the top 7 contributors will actually count (and it's best if you keep your team number to bellow 10 to ensure equality). If you are unable or unwilling to be the captain - please get back to me as soon as possible so we can inform the next candidate. Thanks so much - and good luck!--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 22:40, 7 November 2007 (EST)

:Thank you Iduan, I am flattered you have chosen me as captain for the next team contest. Unfortunately, I am very busy at this time and I feel I would not be able to do the position justice for Conservapedia or those who would join my team. In fact it was only dumb luck that I happened to sign on today and look. Really, Tash put in the most effort in the last contest even with his SAT test coming up at that time, including helping to tabulate our scores. May I recommend, especially after his strong showing in the last contest as captain to bring our team to a razor thin victory margin, that you see if Tash would be willing to take up the gauntlet.

:Again, thank you [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:10, 8 November 2007 (EST)
:: Nice to have you IN. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 16:55, 9 November 2007 (EST)

:::I can't let TK down. ;-) I'll do the best I can for you guys. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:58, 9 November 2007 (EST)

::::Ready? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 14:26, 11 November 2007 (EST)

:::::Where is the list of your points? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 10:15, 13 November 2007 (EST)

::::::I haven't tabulated it yet my friend. Don't worry, they won't be going anywhere. ;-)

Congratulations, great work. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 20:58, 18 November 2007 (EST)

==Contest2==
Hey Learn together! I'm so glad you could participate in the contest - even if you couldn't be a captain (and I'm even more glad that you're on my team!) So one of the first questions for our team is what our team name should be. If you have any ideas just get word out to TK, thanks (and remember: we're using a Machiavellian policy towards this contest: We must win - no matter what. lol, good luck!)--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]]00:02, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Team Name: <big>'''Supply Siders'''</big> --[[User:TK|şyŝoρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]] 16:55, 11 November 2007 (EST)
:Team page: [[Conservapedia:Team Supply Siders]] --[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 17:02, 12 November 2007 (EST)

==Nice assist==

[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=A_Beautiful_Mind&curid=51139&diff=332837&oldid=332785&rcid=359995] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 16:17, 12 November 2007 (EST)

:Thanks Ed, I just couldn't resist ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:17, 12 November 2007 (EST)

==Dewey==

Why is Dewey blocked? [[User:Lukecorlando|Luke]]

:He's highlighting all "goat" entries. That's a tonuge-in-cheek move that a site whose goal is to vandalize CP takes pride in. The last edit to Vitamin C had goat highlighted in about 10 different places. Think of it as a calling card to say "gotcha". Look through his edit history before being blocked and you'll see what I'm talking about. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 19:28, 12 November 2007 (EST)

== [[Panzerschreck]] ==

Check out the first two paragraphs of this article: direct WP copy/paste. I was going to recommend it for deletion, but since you edited it (and since the rest seems OK) I didn't want to screw you out of a couple contest points. Now instead you have an opportunity to gain some points :) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:53, 13 November 2007 (EST)

:Thank you. The information appears to be a factual straight forward description, at least in the first paragraph. It all seems to be pertinent. Even if it matches WP, I don't view it the same as copying large quantities. I changed the second paragraph, where more individual style could be seen. BTW, if you really find an article that's unsalvageable, don't hesitate to have it deleted. The contest is to make CP better, so losing a couple of points to delete something that doesn't belong is no skin off my back. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:24, 13 November 2007 (EST)

::Actually I was on the fence about deleting, but I didn't want to step on any toes. Competition's fierce! :) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 21:44, 13 November 2007 (EST)

== Thanks for cleaning up my edits ==

I think I've got it now, I appreciate the help.-[[User:MexMax|MexMax]] 18:14, 13 November 2007 (EST)

:Yes, you've really got down the categories, the default sort, and the name form with the edits you're doing. Good job! Some of us will bold the name as well. With the entries that you have, I'm doing some form cleanup too. That's strictly up to the individual. Here is an example [[Philip_Pendleton_Barbour]]. Please note what I do is not a requirement or even expected. I just personally think it looks better that way. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 19:14, 13 November 2007 (EST)

== Jellyfish ==

Thanks for the recategorizations. However, I think that jellyfish should probably be recategorized, because the second sentence of the article says that they aren't actually fish. I'm not sure what the best category is, because I haven't looked at how the animal articles are really organized, but I thought I'd see if you had any suggestions. Thanks! [[User:DanH|DanH]] 03:14, 14 November 2007 (EST)

:Unfortunately, not really. Perhaps a category for "Sea Creatures" might be appropriate. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:17, 14 November 2007 (EST)

*Invertebrates?

:I was hoping for something that would get all the water creatures in one place to make it easy for our viewers. I'm sure we'll think up something. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 11:34, 14 November 2007 (EST)

==Points==
Could you possibly record your points since November 12, 12:00 in the afternoon? If you could that would be great! --[[User:BethanyS|~BCS]][[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']] 11:24, 14 November 2007 (EST)

???--[[User:BethanyS|~BCS]][[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']] 11:31, 14 November 2007 (EST)

:I'll see what I can do. It takes me a bit longer than you guys since in the past I've displayed each individual article under the scoring categories. I'm really not looking forward to that. ;-0 [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 11:37, 14 November 2007 (EST)

::OK! Sorry if I was annoying...I just want to know what I'm up against! ;P --[[User:BethanyS|~BCS]][[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']] 11:40, 14 November 2007 (EST)

==KGB==
Very good question, and not without several problems. We actually ran into this in WP also, and they have not satisfactorily resolved it, either.

For our purposes here, the basic division is between Case Officer and an agent. Speaking broadly, the Case Officer is the intelligence professional who is usually a citizen of the same nation that the Intelligence organization is subordinate to. An "Agent," in most cases would be a witting contact of the Case Officer. A "Source" can be unwitting, that is to say, intelligence information can be gleened from an unwitting, unsuspecting source, and then passed through an agent to the case officer. Also, a Source can be witting, too. That is to say, perhaps it is just a one-time passing of information, or perhaps under extraordinary ciricmstances a relationship can be formed between a Case Officer or Agent with a witting Source, whose information can be deemed bona fide & trustworthy, but the Source is just unwilling or incapable of forming an Agent-Principal relationship because of risk of exposure, etc.

I hope that doesn't clear it up, huh? [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 21:46, 14 November 2007 (EST)

:Actually it does Rob, thank you. It let's me know that there is a differentiation and I should stay away. ;-) I wasn't sure if they were the same thing and you had just started using a different category later. I'm glad you're the one trying to classify them and not me. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 21:50, 14 November 2007 (EST)

::For the most part, here in CP, the bios in KGB are Soviet citizens who were KGB Case Officers, & the "agents and sources" are mostly US citizens, with a few Brits, Germans, and maybe one or two Japanese right now. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 22:11, 14 November 2007 (EST)

*So my answer, on your talk page, Rob, was incorrect? Or can the individuals in KGB, top category be moved off to individuals? Or do we need a new category created? --[[User:TK|şyŝoρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]] 22:14, 14 November 2007 (EST)

== block and delete needed ==

Just look at the recent changes. [[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]] 16:09, 16 November 2007 (EST)
:That should earn you a few points! [[User:Bohdan|Bohdan]] 16:10, 16 November 2007 (EST)
::Thanks to your heads up approach Bohdan, we stopped him ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:12, 16 November 2007 (EST)

== removal of copy righted material ==

I have removed a few additions you made as they were cut and pasted of material under copyright.
hope you don't mind.--[[User:JBuscombe|JBuscombe]] 14:21, 18 November 2007 (EST)

:Your removal is unwarranted. The source is cited and not directly copied. I am flattered though that I am being sought out by you guys. Why should TK and Andy get all of the fun? ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:53, 18 November 2007 (EST)

== Re-directs..... ==

Please ask before re-directing articles! We prefer to move them, Bill, rather than create double-redirects that need others to fix them later. Thanks. --[[User:TK|şyŝoρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]] 20:51, 20 November 2007 (EST)

==His Dark Materials==
Hi, I'm a new Conservapedia editor, and I noticed that you recently edited [[His Dark Materials]]. As you can see on my user page, [[User:JK899|JK899]], working on this article is my primary goal on this site. I am extending an offer to you to help me achieve the goals regarding the books on my user page. If you are interested, tell me on my discussion page. [[User:JK899|JK899]] 19:03, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks for the reply. I agree with you on what will be the site's reaction to the books , and I know the article will probably receive heavy vandalism after I work on it. I want to state the facts of the book that are impossible to refute, like the plot and the definite constrasts with the stated beliefs of the major religions. I personally don't see the books as being anti-Christian (mostly against using blind faith instead of knowledge), but I won't say that anywhere and will definitely include links to arguments of people who say it is anti-Christian.

Concerning editing other articles, I'll make minor edits of course, but no real major changes until after I get Dark Materials finished. This is on account of me having just read the books and the facts being fresh in my mind.

I'll post the plot section today, and hopefully you'll see it and inform me of what changes I should make. Thanks for being so civil. Usually the only theists I encounter online are raving, opionionated jerks. Guess I've been looking in the wrong places. [[User:JK899|JK899]] 16:45, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Hi Learntogether, I understand you recently undid my edits to [[The Golden Compass]]. I'm not really sure why though, since my changes simply improved the flow of the passage and added additional information (such as the comparisons to Paradise Lost and its alternate title in NZ and the UK). Please feel free to discuss it with me further on the talk page. :D [[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 19:16, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Learntogether, I'm acting in good faith here and yet you're persisting in reverting my edits without comment. Please consider Philip's objective assessment and, in the words of Will Wheaton, "don't be a d***". :D [[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 17:40, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

:Sometimes there are instances where compromise as you wish it is not possible. We are both aware of Pullman's position and we come at it from opposite perspectives in life -- fair enough. But knowing why he wrote the books he did and what he was trying to get across, this site will not allow any watering down or political correctness to cover that up. Other information such as the different name in other continents is fine, but don't try to rewrite the story. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 17:52, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
:: To be honest, I'm not sure you are fully aware of Pullman's position :D While he did say he was "undermining Christianity", he's added that there's more to it than that. If you've ever read his "Republic of Heaven" speech, he talks about how he is anti-religion because of the hierarchies and power politics it creates.
<blockquote>"We're used to the kingdom of heaven; but you can tell from the general thrust of the book that I'm of the devil's party, like Milton. And I think it's time we thought about a republic of heaven instead of the kingdom of heaven. The king is dead. That's to say I believe that the king is dead. I'm an atheist. But we need heaven nonetheless, we need all the things that heaven meant, we need joy, we need a sense of meaning and purpose in our lives, we need a connection with the universe, we need all the things that the kingdom of heaven used to promise us but failed to deliver. And, furthermore, we need it in this world where we do exist-- not elsewhere, because there ain't no elsewhere."</blockquote>
I felt that maybe the nuances of Pullman's position (which is one shared by other atheists, myself included) might be of interest to other Conservapedia readers. [[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 17:59, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

== Team ==

Hi there

I am just planing to make a team to update, at the Main Page, the "Article of the month". Could be you, Crocoite and me. I am sure Andy will approve it. Agree? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 09:39, 8 December 2007 (EST)

:It would be an honor to be teamed up with two such fine contributors my friend. Thank you for your confidence. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)

:: The reply from Mr. Schlafly was this:

''Sounds like a fantastic idea, Joaquin! I'm all for it.''

First thing we have to do is to make a list of featured articles, then select the best ones. We can start now.

--[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 13:15, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Please use:

[[Featured articles]]

--[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 15:11, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Happy new year! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 18:31, 1 January 2008 (EST)

:Any proposal to start? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 07:40, 14 December 2007 (EST)

:: Good one! Thank you. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 09:53, 17 December 2007 (EST)

== Coin collecting==

(slaps own forehad) Darn! I shoulda thoughta [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Category:Coins&rcid=378923 that category] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 17:55, 10 December 2007 (EST)

== Response appreciated ==

This is DarkMessiah, it seems i have been banned (for an idealogical reason :P). If you would like to continue our discussion, as i would, you can email or instant message me on changeblade@hotmail.co.uk Please contact an administrator and have them delete this account. [[User:PleaseDeleteTempUser|PleaseDeleteTempUser]] 17:09, 16 December 2007 (EST)

==Genocide==

I think we've come to a relatively good consensus that the Srebrenica massacre should indeed be considered genocide. Do you think we can unblock the article and make the appropriate edits. [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 21:56, 16 December 2007 (EST)

== Thanks... ==

...for your kind words, but it's not a matter of not feeling appreciated. My cycles of quitting/coming back closely mirror Andy's cycles of posting his douche-baggery about liberalism, public schools, murder, etc... and then going relatively quiet. There's no serious dissent by upper management, so the site as a whole must be seen to support his beliefs. I've finally had to draw the line and say "I will not be associated with this." And now, I must return CP to my firewall's blacklist. :p Thanks again, [[User:Aziraphale|Aziraphale]] 16:32, 18 December 2007 (EST)

== Thanks for the heads up ==

I wasn't aware that we didn't do articles for specific dates. It won't happen again. It is a pleasure to contribute to this site.

:No harm done. We look forward to seeing your further contributions. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:16, 20 December 2007 (EST)

== Thanks... ==

...for fixing my talk page. People seem to have something against me lately. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 21:44, 19 December 2007 (EST)

:It is the highest form of flattery when you are attacked my friend. It is a sign that you are recognized as a valued editor to Conservapedia. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:15, 20 December 2007 (EST)

==Puellanivis==

I agree that initially his aggression towards new editors was unhelpful, but after having it pointed out he was genuinely contrite; more likely a misunderstanding than actual malice. Though his comment about Andy ''was'' out of line, I don't think he really meant any disrespect towards him; rather, he was trying to make a point about the 90/10 rule. In any case, despite some poor editing and minor infractions, I don't believe he was a troll intent on doing any damage, and a block of infinite time is rather long, no? I think a few days (maybe a week?) and a stern warning will be enough; besides, his edits will be more closely watched afterwards so there's little possibility for trolling. And besides, it'd be ironic for Conservapedia to accidently drive away new editors for doing the same!

Anyway, you have the power here - I just thought I'd throw in my two cents, perhaps save a new editor from his initial mistakes. [[User:Feebasfactor|Feebasfactor]] 23:52, 19 December 2007 (EST)

:Don't worry; I don't keep permanent blocks if there is contrition. It will change with time and private email correspondence. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:13, 20 December 2007 (EST)

== Battle of Aegospotami/Delium? ==

Seeing as how [[Battle of Aegospotami]] was started by you, could you maybe check if you really meant to say "The Battle of Delium in 405 B.C." in the opening sentence? I'm no expert in Greece place names or wars, so I don't know if this is intentional or not. If it is, could you maybe make a small addition to the article, explaining why it's known as different things? Thanks :) --[[User:JakeC|JakeC]] 20:18, 22 December 2007 (EST)

:That was a mistake. Thank you for noticing. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:24, 22 December 2007 (EST)

::Hey, no problem and thanks for clarifying/fixing. Was just cruising around with the Random Page feature and stumbled over it :) --[[User:JakeC|JakeC]] 20:26, 22 December 2007 (EST)

:::You're already helping. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:27, 22 December 2007 (EST)

== Philosophy categories ==

Yes, I just saw the naming convention guidelines. I will amend the Philosophy category names accordingly. [[User:JFPerry|JFPerry]] 11:39, 23 December 2007 (EST)

== Thanks ==

Hey, thanks for reworking [[Christian Domestic Discipline]]! It's a tricky subject, and I'm glad for the additional input you provided. It's much better now. :) --[[User:JakeC|JakeC]] 07:33, 27 December 2007 (EST)
==Contest==
Learn together - if you are interested, as you achieved the second highest number of points in the last contest, you may choose to be a captain for team 2 in the upcoming [[Conservapedia:Contest4|contest]]. Please respond as quickly as possible as to whether you are interested, as the draft will occur Saturday, and if you are not interested we obviously need time to find a replacement. Thanks so much and congratulations!--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 00:10, 10 January 2008 (EST)

:Thank you for the considering me for team captain for the next contest, but it seems to me that as the top scorer for the Timberwolves that the honor of team captain should fall to Andy first. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:22, 11 January 2008 (EST)

== New articles? ==

(I apologize for not replying sooner to your comment on my talk page - I had been blocked for a full month for one silly edit after a series of good ones.)

*''You have been creating multiple new articles that already exist, including the last five articles you entered into Conservapedia.''

Erm, those had been ''redirects''. They were on the Wanted Articles list, and I knew they existed. So I made a redirect to them. Unless you meant something different, I'm not sure I see the problem... --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 13:47, 12 January 2008 (EST)
==Contest==
Hey, so the draft will not actually finish until Sunday, but the contest will still start tonight at 12a.m., so all that means is some of you will be getting points without knowing what team you're on. Remember to keep track of your points well, at a page like [[User:Learn together/Contest4]].--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 21:08, 12 January 2008 (EST)
:Silly o'clock and I'm making silly errors to match. So I'm going to stretch my legs, sup some coffee and look at the stars for a while :) Will try to add a few more points before I log though. [[Image:User Fox.png|10px]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] ([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]]) 20:42, 19 January 2008 (EST)

==Double Redirect==

You made a redirect to redirect. Please review [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:DoubleRedirects this list] before claiming points for this. (Can I claim a point for fixing this? ;-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 18:21, 16 January 2008 (EST)

:I think you get a point Ed. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 18:29, 16 January 2008 (EST)
==Your Article==
Hey, I just wanted to let you know I made a fairly big contribution to [[Drunk]] - and given that you started the article so recently, I felt like I should tell you in case there was anything you didn't like about what I did. Great job on creating it, and as far as my contrib goes feel free to revert or delete whatever you feel appropriate--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 20:51, 16 January 2008 (EST)
:Are you kidding? You should get a gold star. That's great! Keep up the good work! ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 21:00, 16 January 2008 (EST)

== Thank you ==

For addressing [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Barikada this]. Didn't see that you had done so before I posted a message about it. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 13:39, 18 January 2008 (EST)

:You get the credit. It was your bringing up the issue with specific examples that led me to agree a temporary block was warranted. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:50, 18 January 2008 (EST)

::Oh. I see what happened there. The date/time stamp is different on A's talk page for some reason. I thought my post came after you had blocked Barikada already. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 16:11, 18 January 2008 (EST)

== MSM Redirect ==

I corrected the Mainstream Media redirect, but the MSM page is locked so it still contains a Double Redirect, I believe. Can this be fixed? Gracias! --[[User:Jdellaro|Jdellaro]] 13:46, 18 January 2008 (EST)

:MSM doesn't appear to be locked. If you do find double redirects that you can't fix, I would advise going to [[User talk:Philip J. Rayment]] and put a note on his talk page. He's actively involved in this area. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:54, 18 January 2008 (EST)

==Email==
You have some :) [[Image:User Fox.png|10px]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] ([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]]) 18:20, 18 January 2008 (EST)
==Points==
Hey Learn Together - I hate to bring up a question of points - but I saw just now in an edit summary, and then your contest page, that you were giving yourself four points for "extensive" minor edits - but no such rule is dictated in the current contest (my guess is that you might be using a point system from a previous contest), I'm not going to make an official challenge because I assumed this is a minor mistake--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 20:01, 19 January 2008 (EST)
:Uh, learn together? I just noticed you were still doing it - again, if you look at the rules there's nothing that says minor edits can be worth 4 points--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 21:25, 19 January 2008 (EST)

::I use the same standard I have been using for edits that are really not "minor". In the contests sometimes we are tempted to cut corners, and I attempt to keep myself from doing that by giving points for extensive alterations that aren't specifically extra sentences, but are certainly as meaningful for the state of the article as a whole. As you can see, I am an open book when it comes to tabulating my edits and the point values associated, and I would hope that anyone looking at my contributions would see that my scoring versus the alterations done are appropriate and not taking advantage in any way. If at the end it there is a wish to question the scoring used, then we can discuss it further at that time. Thanks [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 22:13, 19 January 2008 (EST)

::BTW, good job with your own work and editing. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 22:16, 19 January 2008 (EST)
:::Ok, I understand your reasoning, although at the same time this is a new rule set, and after the failure of last time we shouldn't really leave anything open to interpretation. Until we invent a "regular edit" (which, btw, I completely agree with you that we should!), I think we should just play it safe and use 2 points for every minor edit, as even beyond the fact that this is a new rule set, everyone else isn't aware that you can do a four point thing - and if you're the only one doing it that kind of gives you an unfair advantage.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 22:32, 19 January 2008 (EST)
::::There's always a certain amount of individual discretion for scoring. The question becomes is someone trying to game the system or are their edits genuine? I believe the quality of the edits that I scored as 4 points speak for themselves, and, after a quick sampling at least, I don't see anything similar in the minor edit section of the other participants. I do notice many entries by others scored as quality edits that don't match the definition stated for the contest, but that's a judgement call of the individual too. I chose, in most cases, to simply put them as 4 points under the minor edit category. There will always be some differences in interpretation - for instance you give yourself points for bolding alone and many of us will not count that as a minor edit unless other edits accompany it, but as long as we are all trying to be honest and fair it shouldn't matter. I believe difficulties should only be brought up if there is a pattern of scoring that obviously does not match the value of the edits themselves, and I do not believe that pertains to me. Thanks. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:31, 20 January 2008 (EST)

== ID book ==

[[Intelligent Design (book)]] is the proper name, not [[Intelligent Design (Book)]], as the Manual of Style now says that titles should not be in title case. So the redirect should go the other way. Understand? [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:34, 20 January 2008 (EST)

:It sound good, thanks [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:07, 20 January 2008 (EST)

== Contest 4 ==

Congratulations! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 12:10, 20 January 2008 (EST)
:Great Job LT!--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 12:15, 20 January 2008 (EST)
:::On behalf of Eagle Team, well done| A splendid effort. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 12:24, 20 January 2008 (EST)

Congratulations from [[Conservapedia:Team Freedom|Freedom]]. Very well done, again!!!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:25, 20 January 2008 (EST)
:Well done, impressive! Thanks for all your graft, B. [[Image:User Fox.png|10px]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] ([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]]) 04:27, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Thank you both. You were both great contributors to the contest! ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:36, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:::What is your secret to win every contest?

:::--[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 08:59, 22 January 2008 (EST)

::::Well, having you on my team for most of them helps ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 17:36, 23 January 2008 (EST)

== Ban for username needed ==

[[Special:Contributions/PastafarianBeliver|PastafarianBeliver]]. "Pastafarianism" is a flippant non-belief which has the sole purpose of mocking people who back Intelligent Design. (And judging from his comments so far, it doesn't look like he's here to provide anything worthwhile. Just complaints.) [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 13:24, 21 January 2008 (EST)

:Thank you for pointing it out, but I have a tendency to be cautious in banning him at this point. Nevertheless, his edits will be watched. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:34, 21 January 2008 (EST)

::BethanyS banned him already. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 13:38, 21 January 2008 (EST)

== Barikada ==

It's starting to look like [[User:Barikada]] didn't learn anything from his recent block - e.g. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Left_Behind:_Eternal_Forces&curid=53111&diff=379019&oldid=379013 this edit]. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 13:44, 23 January 2008 (EST)
:My last block was for misinterpreting clear instructions, I believe... [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 13:46, 23 January 2008 (EST)
::Barkikada, the key is not to see how close you can get to the ledge without falling over. We all have a general understanding of what it means to edit to improve content. Please keep your edits in that direction and the question of blocking you won't come up again. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:49, 23 January 2008 (EST)
:::Not to sound arrogant, but... I'm ''pretty'' sure most of them are. Normally I'd insert a rant about me falsely believing I'm being persecuted, but you're right. I should focus my edits on less controversial subjects. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 13:51, 23 January 2008 (EST)

== Vote ==

Click on the link to vote in my poll. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim (CPAdmin1)]][[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]] [[User:CPAdmin1/Election08|Vote for President]] 23:05, 23 January 2008 (EST)
==Contest 5==
Hey Learn Together, as you were a participant in the last contest I'm just giving you the heads up that the [[Conservapedia:Contest5|draft of the point system for contest 5]] has been written, and we're using the talk page as a forum for any notes/complaints that any users may have.

Learn together - I also want to give you the heads up that, assuming your schedule is free (the date for the contest isn't set yet) and assuming you're willing, you'll be the team 1 captain for this contest. Thanks,--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 20:21, 2 February 2008 (EST)
:Hey Learn together are you still around? If you aren't, and depending on how things go with the contest, we might have to go ask another user to be the captain, but of course if you come back after we've done this you can certainly still join the contest, and I'll wait as long as possible for a response.--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 16:47, 13 February 2008 (EST)

::I recommend emailing me directly if there is a time when I'm not on the site much. I can be available. I've written Andy on his talk page. Thanks. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:22, 15 February 2008 (EST)

== Hi ==

Nice to see you in action again. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 14:23, 15 February 2008 (EST)

:And it is always good to hear from you my friend ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:24, 15 February 2008 (EST)

== Trial Contest ==

Hey {{BASEPAGENAME}}, we've decided to do a quick Contest 5 starting at what will probably be midnight tonight - so sign up as soon as possible! [[Conservapedia:Contest5#Those Interested In Participating Please Put Your Name Here]].--[[User:Iduan|I]][[User_talk:Iduan|Duan]] 21:04, 16 February 2008 (EST)

== [[Gospel of Thomas]] ==

Please review [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gospel_of_Thomas&diff=391209&oldid=376583 this] edit. I don't know enough to tell if it is vandalism. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] (CPAdmin1)[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]] [[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]] 20:45, 19 February 2008 (EST)

:It's not vandalism, but it's not entirely true either. It's got a nice "spin" on it. I'll look at it later and make alterations. Thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:23, 20 February 2008 (EST)

== Heads of government ==

Head of state and head of government are two different things. The CIA ''World Factbook'' defines chief (head) of state as "the titular leader of the country who represents the state at official and ceremonial functions but may not be involved with the day-to-day activities of the government", while head of government is defined as "the top administrative leader who is designated to manage the day-to-day activities of the government". [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html] In the US these two positions are occupied by the same person, the president. However, in most parliamentary systems the functions of head of state and head of government are separate (e.g., in the UK the monarch is head of state, while the prime minister is head of government).

Thank you for the pointer on subcategories, however.

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== Greetings ==

From no where in the middle of a journey, --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 20:07, 1 March 2008 (EST)

==Easton's Bible Dictionary==
Should I not use Easton's Bible Dictionary to create Bible articles?--[[User:Kuli|Kuli]] 16:03, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

:It's not necessary if there are Bible verses that say the same thing. It can be useful for backing up viewpoints on theological views, but for biographies where the information is contained in the Bible, then it is best to just use the Bible as your reference. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:06, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

What does the information in the block say, I think that was a block on accident--[[User:Kuli|Kuli]] 16:11, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

The block said I was replacing articles with 404 error server not found yet look at the edits of User:Weqq, I did no such thing--[[User:Kuli|Kuli]] 16:16, 21 March 2008 (EDT)

== Luke ==

Thank you so much for you help! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 20:16, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

:I am always pleased to help where I can my friend. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 02:52, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Thank you Learn Together for your unsolicited support. It really means a lot. Keep up the good work. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:09, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, and thanks for not being mean on the Philip Pullman page.

== Deer ==

Why did you revert my edit to [[deer]]? I thought that the deaths caused by deer was interesting and I gave a source to back it up. What was the problem? [[User:Blinkadyblink|Blinkadyblink]][[User talk:Blinkadyblink|RAGE]] 23:29, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

:It was an opinion piece you used as a reference. And adding deer to the category "Dangerous Animals" was overkill, especially since the category previously had zero entries. If you wish to include the general gist of the article alerting to deaths on the road due to traffic fatalities then do so, although the specific figures and numbers should have a reputable source before being included. Oh, and of course, this discussion should take place on the deer talk page, not my home page. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 04:31, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
::Overkill HA! No pun intended, I'm sure. (Sorry to interject humor into this serious discussion but I couldn't let a golden pun like that pass). [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 09:55, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

:::Would this source be better [http://www.cdc.gov/mmwR/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5330a1.htm]? It's a government site, and according to it, 200 Americans (at least, I assume that they're Americans) die in accidents involving animals (predominantly deer.) Another animal listed under [http://www.conservapedia.com/Category:Dangerous_animals] (dangerous animals category), the great white shark, kills a mere 50-70 people ''world-wide'' [http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/education/questions/Attack.html#year], even when combined with all other sharks. Could I redo the entry with the new source and statistics?
:::P.S. Sorry I put this on the wrong page, I wasn't sure where to put it so I guessed. I assume you don't want me to move it now. [[User:Blinkadyblink|Blinkadyblink]][[User talk:Blinkadyblink|RAGE]] 23:20, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
:This is a serious site, and, come on. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:28, 31 March 2008 (EDT)

==Sons of Jacob==

Before you change all the categories, are you planning to '''list''' Jacob's 14 sons in the [[Jacob]] article at any point in time? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 19:00, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:It would be a good idea, except Jacob had 12 sons. ;-) We had a number of imbedded catgories made that would make it difficult for users to simply see who are Biblical Persons. They had to go through the geneaology all the way from Temar, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,... You get the picture. I'm putting them back in Biblical Persons where they were. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 19:05, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:I expanded the article on Jacob (which was rather lacking). I see there's already a link to the Twelve Sons of Jacob in the Jacob article so I didn't specifically put the names of the sons in the Jacob article. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 19:21, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Learn Togther,
Good to make your acquaintance! I have tried to interest others to do something on Larry McDonald but so far noo takers. A lot of people are now going to our website being refered from the article in wikipedia on Larry but I would like one in Conservapedia. It seems more pressing as this is the 25th year since the shootdown. Can you do the article?[[User:BertSchlossberg|BertSchlossberg]] 01:13, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

== Satan ==

Satan has been unprotected. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:30, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

== Congratulations! ==

Congratulations, you've been promoted to Sysop! Well deserved indeed.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 15:58, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

:Congratulations and welcome aboard! [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:01, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

::Congrats, man! --[[Special:Contributions/AutoFire|trans]][[User:AutoFire|Resident Transfan]][[User Talk:Autofire|form!]] 16:54, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Congratulations! --[[User:Crocoite|Crocoite]] 17:50, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Congrats, brother. [[User:Jinkas|Jinkas]] 17:58, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

:Good job LT! You deserve this promotion, and I'm glad you got it. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:35, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

WOW! Thank you very much Andy and all of my friends. I guess when I least expect it is when it happens. ;-) I will try to live up to the honor that you have given me and try to fill the shoes of those who have come before me who I will hopefully be able to emulate. ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 00:20, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

: Excellent promotion, congratulations! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 09:26, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

::Congratulations! Quite honestly, I didn't think there was any other candidate. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 09:51, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Congrats!! :P [[User:BethanyS|~BCS]][[User talk:BethanyS|Talk2'''ME''']] 10:40, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Please ban Breebree, (vandalism to mobile phones) [[User:Dalek|Dalek]] 15:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

HenryS banned him [[User:Dalek|Dalek]] 15:58, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Whoo-hoo! Sorry I missed it. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 01:08, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

== TomMoore ==

*14:43, 13 April 2008 Ed Poor (Talk | contribs) blocked "TomMoore (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (personal remarks)

Don't wait for him to reply. I'm not quite sure what the "personal remark" was, but from what I gather, I'm in no position to ask, so...

On the topic: You're applying an interesting standard there, am I to suppose that it's also to be applied to articles? --[[User:MilesM|MilesM]] 06:35, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

== Virgin Mary gallery ==

Any contribution? [[Virgin Mary gallery]]

--[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 11:30, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

== Why was Todd Haynes deleted from Brown University alumni?==

I added Todd Haynes, the director of Far From Heaven and I'm Not There, to the list of Brown alumni and you deleted it. Why? Haynes has been nominated for an Oscar and -- in Far from Heaven -- directed one of the most highly praised films of the past decade. How on earth can he be described as "not notable"? George Harrison's SON is included, for Pete's sake. I will reinstate Todd with citations as there is no possible reason for him to be excluded. KeithJoseph 21:30, 20 April 2008 (GMT)

== query ==

Fellow admin, please review this block. The user's name is "oh stupid TK" backwards. The users first contribution was entering a dispute with User:TK. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AUniversity_of_California%2C_Los_Angeles&diff=425607&oldid=425435]. What do you think? Sock puppet? Unblock? Thanks, [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 19:01, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

:It was a good call my friend. We block infinite for names like that. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:53, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
::I know. I never planned on unblocking. I was surprised the user wasn't banned right away. I only asked because I receiced an email from "Diputsho" asking to be unblocked. Thanks for helping though. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 16:03, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

== City/town/county names as article titles ==

In case you don't check the [[Conservapedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#City.2Ftown.2Fcounty_names_as_article_titles.3F|manual of style talk page]] very often, I just wanted to draw your attention to a suggestion I had. [[User:Jinkas|Jinkas]] 21:04, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

==[[September 11, 2001 attacks]]==

You may want to review your reversion, it seems that FiscalConservative's edit was made in good faith and improved the article. He appears to have used the motivations stated by bin Laden (the mastermind of the attacks), whereas the motivation section in the present article seems to be a parody: "Luckily, the president declared a counter war called the "War on Terrorism" before any holy war started" [[User:StatsMsn|StatsMsn]] 02:01, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

:I don't want to speak toward the removed portions, as I could see how they could be controversial, but what is there right now definitely looks like parody to me. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 02:05, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

::Am I right in guessing the controversial sections relate to the Sikhs being mistaken for Muslims? If so then this would appear to be acceptable content, as from my understanding there were a number of attacks against innocent Muslims following the attacks, and this should be added if there is to be complete coverage of the aftermath. [[User:StatsMsn|StatsMsn]] 02:08, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

:By putting his edits at the top right under the primary paragraph, he detracts from discussing what actually occurred. He also included a link to an article that states that a Sikh killed several days later 'may' have been the victim of hate crime -- and this is inserted before the section discussing the casualties that occurred from the 9/11. And you call that an improvement? The incredible thing with America is that we are so strong in our desire for freedom for all that even a heinous crime like 9/11 gets barely a ripple in any type of reprisal attacks against those believed to be of similar ethnicities. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 02:09, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

::No one said that in "our desire for freedom for all" we believe reprisal attacks are more important than the actual casualties, I said that they need to be covered in order to provide a complete recount of the aftermath. How about moving the section and expanding it rather than removing it? [[User:StatsMsn|StatsMsn]] 02:12, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

==Vietnam War Reversion==

Erm, I don't exactly understand what your apprehensions to my edits with the Vietnam article were, especially given the information in question is improperly placed to begin with. Vietnam's economy showcases significant market elements, and to insinuate that Vietnam is a communist country (without any other reference or acknowledgement of it's free-market development post-war) detracts considerably from the article as is given the disregard among the general public to differentiate between a communist government and it’s economic policies, which in Vietnam’s case are clearly not concurrent. [[User:Willink|Willink]] 3:30, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
==I say Psychiatry, You say Psychology, Let's call the whole thing off==
Psychology as the main category for mental health problems etc is incorrect. In fact, "mental health" should be the main category, with psychology and psychiatry as sub-categories (perhaps even with psychotherapy as an additional sub-category). Schizophrenia is a psychiatric diagnosis, not a psychological model; therefore it is appropriately placed within the Psychiatry category. Psychologists are *not* always involved with patients who are diagnosed with schizophrenia, whereas psychiatrists *are*. The other types of psychological endeavour (industrial, educational, etc) should be in the Psychology category (and, correctly, are). The Psychiatric Disorders category should be a sub-category of Psychiatry itself. [[User:HumbleServant|HumbleServant]] 06:55, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

:You can go ahead and rework them IF you can change all of them appropriately. We don't want to have a category with some entries in one place and some entries in another. Please be aware though that when there is a subcategory, such as Psychiatric Disorders under Psychiatry, that articles in the subcategory are not also placed in the main category. The general idea behind subcategories is to decrease the number of articles in the main category. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:16, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
::Thank you, Learn together. I shall work out an appropriate schema for this before changing anything further. May God bless you and be with you. [[User:HumbleServant|HumbleServant]] 17:20, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== Sprawl ==

See Orange talk. Ta.
[[User:AdenJ|AdenJ]] 01:51, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Can you upload The Scream by Edvard Munch? ==

I got the link![http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/munch/munch.scream.jpg] Can you upload for the [[The Scream]] page? {{unsigned|TagoPagdaluhong}}
:Nevermind, I found it--[[User:TagoPagdaluhong|TagoPagdaluhong]] 20:22, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

== your edits to [[Orthodox Church]] ==

Hi, I noticed your edits to this article. You may not be aware, but one of your edits removed some sources, as well as the reference list at the end. Cheers! [[User:Dchall1|Dchall1]] 15:03, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
:Can I ask why the article is locked? I don't see that edit warring is going on, nor do I see any efforts by you to discuss your changes. [[User:Dchall1|Dchall1]] 12:14, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
::Posted a note [[Talk:Orthodox_Church|here]], and I'd appreciated your comment. Cheers! [[User:Dchall1|Dchall1]] 23:28, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

== Golden Compass article block ==

Is there any way I can edit the article? Or should I post my proposed changes here for you to make? [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 13:34, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

:Put them in the article talk section please for reviews. Thanks [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:21, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

==Engrish==
Thanks for filling me in. I'm sorry I put up that article on Engrish. I didn't know it was a slur, despite it being offensive However, now I know better to not write articles like that again!
[[User:RKLuffy88|RKLuffy88]]

== Featured articles ==

Please see [[Conservapedia talk:Featured articles]]. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 08:46, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

==Thurgood Marshall==

This is not meant to sound combative, but why did you go through and change every mention of African American or African to Black? '''[[user:JDavidson|JDavidson]]'''[[User_talk:JDavidson|'''Leave a message ::BEEP::''']] 12:50, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

:The term African American did not exist during the time of discussion. Black would have been recognized then and is still considered to be acceptable today. I did leave the last African American as it discussed Clarence Thomas and by then the term had entered society. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:56, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

::I understand your reasoning, but that seems a little strange... are we going to only mention people based on the term society used for them? In that case, we could end up with some rather strong racial slurs posted in articles. Even though we would detect and revert, it seems like opening the door to extra work on our part. '''[[user:JDavidson|JDavidson]]'''[[User_talk:JDavidson|'''Leave a message ::BEEP::''']] 15:05, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

:::That's not what he's saying. What is your point? --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 15:09, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

== Nice block ==

Nice block of "Mmmm" last night!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 08:50, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

:Thanks Andy ;-) [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 09:19, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

==NASA Pictures==
The NASA article needs more pictures, can you upload some? Thanks--[[User:Jimmy|Jimmy]] 15:31, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

==Crusades==
You appear to have removed my section about the pogroms against the Jews during the First Crusade in your reorg of [[Crusades]]. Was that a mistake or did you intend to do so? I was going to just assume the former, since it was well-sourced, but I thought it might do to check anyway.--[[user:TomMoore|Tom Moore]][[User talk:TomMoore|fiat justitia ruat coelum]] 02:06, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
:It was intentional as it was misplaced. The First Crusade was a success. The reference was to the totality of the Crusades and why they failed. If your source leaves out the pain of Francis of Assisi when he visited the Crusader army based on what he saw or the need of the Pope to excommunicate the Crusaders during a later Crusade, and believes it was only due to not keeping Church holidays, then it won't stay. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 02:16, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
::...you could have added those things, if you wanted, without removing other accurate information, don't you think? Or moved it if you thought it was misplaced? Isn't that the usual thing done with sourced actual information? Are you denying the pogrom that occurred in the Rhine valley, which is what I was asking about?--[[user:TomMoore|Tom Moore]][[User talk:TomMoore|fiat justitia ruat coelum]] 02:24, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
:::It depends what you think is accurate. The information was entered based upon the 'failure' of the First Crusade and the reasons for it - while in reality that was the one Crusade that succeeded far beyond what would be expected. It's not my place to try to salvage information under those conditions. If you wish to see what information should be put back into the article in some form, one of the things you should ask yourself is does it belong and why? The previous avenue has been closed. I would hope your desire is to enrich the article with whatever information you find that is naturally a part of the subject and that however that unfolds, it unfolds. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:28, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
::::I read that several times, but I guess I am just not smart enough. What I get is that you didn't think it was your job, essentially. That's weird, since generally on wikis people try to retain the good contributions of other people.
::::My desire is, naturally, to add information about the Crusades. In this case, I was adding information about the hideous atrocities enacted against Jews during the First Crusade. I don't know if you consider that "naturally a part of the subject," but I hope so.
::::Help me out: can I put that back in, or not?--[[user:TomMoore|Tom Moore]][[User talk:TomMoore|fiat justitia ruat coelum]] 15:12, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
:::::It is not my place to try to find somewhere for it to fit. The placement and reason for that placement originally given, was incorrect. If you feel it is has natural placement in another part of the article and matches the article scope and flow then put in those elements that you feel meet that criteria and I will examine it. But please realize the following historical information will be included:
:::::1) The mobs that attacked the Jews had nothing to do with the Crusading armies that eventually fought in the Holy Lands
:::::2) The Church authorities consistently tried to order them to desist, to no avail
:::::3) The Christian townspeople tried to hide the Jews from the approaching mobs
:::::4) When the mobs reached a fortified Christian nation, they were denied access as they were viewed as a bunch of unsavory criminals
:::::5) They then attacked the borders of the Christian nation
:::::6) At the moment it appeared victory was in their grasp as they were breaking through, they oddly got confused and fled, dispersing for good
:::::7) Their sudden defeat and fleeing was viewed as divine justice upon them from God
:::::[[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:40, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
::::::Uh... okay, cool. You put whatever you want in there, that's fine with me. It's a wiki. I was just going to add the blurb about the pogrom in the Rhine valley, and since I think somewhere in there was assent, I will do so again.--[[user:TomMoore|Tom Moore]][[User talk:TomMoore|fiat justitia ruat coelum]] 15:44, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
==Email==
I sent you an email -- [[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]] [[User:Deborah|Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|(contributions)]] [[User_talk:Deborah|(talk)]] 01:43, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Email me back after you follow the instructions -- [[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]] [[User:Deborah|Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|(contributions)]] [[User_talk:Deborah|(talk)]] 01:44, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

==Apology for my Edit on [[Al Franken]]==

I sincerely apologise for any harm I caused by suggesting that you hadn't read ''Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them''. [[User:StatsMsn|StatsMsn]] 06:48, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

== Where does one find the sysop group? ==

I don't know where to find it.
But common sense would dictate that the one who puts a disputed fact into an article is the one who needs to back it up. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] (CPAdmin1)[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]] [[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]] 02:59, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

:While I certainly respect that you have been given Sysop authority longer than I have, the general concensus among Sysops from when I asked the question before I was given the honor has been that flags are given for questioning only when there is a belief of error. Part of the belief is that we want all editors to actively contribute which means coming alongside and helping to build instead of pointing out to others where they need to do work. It's also best to send a private email to a fellow Sysop as a courtesy before questioning him in public. Thanks [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:11, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
I
::Fair enough. On second thought, I think the tags are not needed. However, with the citations, I disagree. If you make a claim in court, the burden of proof is on you. It is the same way here, (or should be) regardless of how it has been applied up till now. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] (CPAdmin1)[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]] [[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]] 03:15, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

:::I've sent you an email to discuss this further if you wish. Thanks [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:32, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Apology ==

It was wrong of me to reverse your block without contacting you first. I would like to apologize for that. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] (CPAdmin1)[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]] [[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]] 15:06, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

:Thank you Tim, and no problem. I am writing you back right now. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:45, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

== Barack Obama Edit ==

You removed a section that I had added to the Presidential Campaign paragraph: "In analyzing the plans of both candidates, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center found that Senator Obama's plan offered larger tax breaks to low- and middle-income taxpayers. Alternately, McCain's plan, the center found, would result in tax cuts that "primarily benefit those with very high incomes." <ref>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25133125/ Economists across political spectrum question McCain's portrayal of Obama </ref>" It was clearly referenced, plays a part in the presidential campaign, adds information to the entry, and it was from a nonpartisan center.

Can you explain your removal of it from the encyclopedic entry of Barack Obama? --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 12:11, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

:The article isn't about a comparative analysis of what each candidate has adopted as their platform. Sticking that in there was out of place. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:14, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

::Then can I add it to the 2008 presidential elections entry, since that is more about comparative analysis? --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 15:57, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

:::If that article is constructed in that form, then it may be an appropriate entry, but you will need to clean it up first. As it is right now, it says very little. What are the plans of the two candidates? You completely leave that out and instead address only the conclusion of a group to that which you have not even explained. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:35, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Thank you. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 15:43, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

==Fixed==
Thanks for replying to me email, it has been fixed now. Not sure what was going on but I was missing the 'edit' button. It appeared back again though.
Thanks though mate!
[[User:AdenJ|AdenJ]] 17:14, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
:You sent your message rather late, so it is possible editing privilages were shut down for the night. Any time you have a difficulty, we'll do our best to look into it and help where we can. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:09, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

==Christian category==

I was wondering why you removed the Christians category from Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and Al Sharpton. You may certainly (and understandably) view them as not practicing what they preach, but the Clintons are professed Christians, and Sharpton is an ordained minister. And about the schtick about Sharpton never having had a job...since when is being a minister not a job? Thank you. [[User:CraigC|CraigC]] 09:18, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

:Considering I removed over 40 people, why did you only choose those three? [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 11:56, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
::Because they were the ones I added. I hadn't noticed the others. [[User:CraigC|CraigC]] 12:27, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
:::I was "equal opportunity". We're not looking for people who have church membership, but for those who in word and deed live the Christian message and seek to share that knowledge with others, often times even in the face of hardship. I hope this helps. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 13:07, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
::::Your call, but is that our place to judge? [[User:CraigC|CraigC]] 14:01, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
:::::In this case yes. The Bible talks about what it means to be a Christian. I don't particularly care for the category, but since it exists, it is important to uphold that value. This does not mean that people left off of the list are certainly not Christians, only that it does not match the bar that has been set. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:24, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
::::::If you feel that you are righteous enough to proclaim who is a true Christian and who does not meet the standards, then go for it. I personally believe only Jesus has that authority. [[User:CraigC|CraigC]] 00:53, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
:::::::As do I. Peace to you. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 03:19, 22 June 2008 (EDT)

== McCain Edit? ==

Is the information that McCain hadn't received a divorce when he obtained his marriage certificate not factual? Do you think that it's not important that a presidential nominee was still married when he got a new marriage certificate? Or that he told a different story in his book than public records indicate? --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 14:03, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

:You are talking about clerking errors and delays. After taking the steps to procede with a divorce, a final date when it legally takes place is indicated. That the clerks in that Arizona jurisdiction did not file it until later is not John McCain's concern. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:34, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

::Reasonable explanation. But how about the fact that in his book he states that he had separated from his former wife before beginning to date his current wife, when according to the court petition he filed, he "cohabited" with his former wife until 1/7/80---nine months AFTER he started dating his current wife? --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 14:41, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

:::I think you may be misunderstanding part of the goal of our site. Over a year ago a new user added information to the Hillary Clinton article that although they resided in the same state and were married, Bill and Hillary Clinton lived apart. That was easily verifiable and not open to interpretation. It was reverted by a Sysop because the site is not about gossip; it's about pertinent information about those aspects that make the person famous and noteworthy. So direct scandals such as Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky are worthy of mention, but their current living situation serves no purpose. That new user was me, and I have tried to adhere to the standards set ever since - and still try to adhere to those standards now that I am a Sysop. John McCain has admitted to failures in his first marriage and failures at that time in his life. It's simply not a place that we go.

:::BTW you may also find that legal documents often have different meanings than common usage. Most of the time he didn't "cohabitate" with his wife at all because he was a senator in Washington, although he would still be considered to be cohabitating because that was his legal residence. Insinuation is not always the same as reality, and in this case it could be difficult to separate the two. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 16:00, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

::::I appreciate your taking the time to respond. As much as I hate to do it, I'd have to refer you to the entry on Barack Obama as a comparative piece of the two nominees. Obama's entry is filled with insinuations and speculations. I believe one of the most egregious is the insinuation/question of when he said 57 states (instead of 47 states) he was referring to the 57 Islamic states. Obviously that type of conjecture is far beyond the pale, and yet many of the sysops here have sidestepped the debate on that entry rather than stand up for a clearer and less gossip-filled encyclopedia.

::::If you are going to uphold the John McCain article to the standards you have tried to adhere to since starting here, I would hope that you would do the same for the Barack Obama entry I have now brought to your attention. --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 16:13, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

:::::I can not bring about change in the Barak Obama article. I too am under authority and my edits were not accepted. But I do wish to make sure that the goal is not to see how much mud can be thrown and so, where I can, I try to uphold the standards that I have been told we adhere to. So please try to make the articles that you edit as professional as possible. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 19:29, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

::::::<nowiki>*Thumbs up*</nowiki> --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 19:36, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

::Hi! I appreciated your edit of John McCain and personally feel that it needs much more work. I take special offense to individuals who smear and place ridiculous facts on this website, and feel that Conservapedia is more moral than that. Please add further information as you discover if the article is ever going to appear on the Main Page, it must be informative an article as possible. --[[User:CTrooper|CTrooper]] 18:58, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

==New McCain Edit==

I must admit I tend to agree with you about the removal of the passages you did. However you should be aware there was a debate on this in the past few days and a consensus was reached to remove some, and leave some. I wonder if perhaps you should refer to that consensus first.--[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 12:26, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

:Thank you. I'll comment on the talk page now. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:39, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

==Obama==

Just browsing through the Obama talk page it seems that there is no longer any issue about his place of birth. How would one go about getting that changed as it looks ridiculous to have it say "allegedly born". --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 18:39, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

:If the page is locked, then you'll have to leave a request on the talk page or find a sysop who will make the change for you. I've chosen not to get involved in that article. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:03, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

== Re: Zogby Poll ==

LT, I took out the Zogby poll because for the past few weeks we have been doing the five most recent polls. When a newer poll comes in, we drop the oldest. Hence I dropped the Zogby poll which finished on 8/1 by replacing it with a poll completed on 8/4. --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 10:57, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
:I've been doing it more by date range, and, quite frankly, more people would be interested in what Zogby reports than in organizations not usually known for polling or at least not very recognizable.

:I've been reporting results without "leaners". Do you wish to report leaners? It's ok if you think that's a better indication of polling numbers. I would just like us to be consistent. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 11:12, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

::You're right on leaners. On Real Clear Politics, they report the Rasmussen # with leaners, and I always forget to click the link for the actual results. That was just a slip of the brain. As far as the Zogby poll, I've been trying to stick with the 5 most recent polls, otherwise we could end up just adding and adding and having a table with 18 polls in it. I wanted to use the most recent ending date polls because that reflects the most recent trends in the campaign. If you want to keep the Zogby poll in there to make it 6, so be it, but it'll probably get knocked out in a day or two since the most recent polls now go through the 4th and 5th. --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 11:15, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

== Swaggart ==

I added the quote as a controversy because it was big enough for him to issue an apology for it afterwards. He was speaking about gay marriage and had stated he never saw a man he would want to marry, and then went on to the aforementioned remarks. It was well-known enough to make it to the newspapers and, again, forced him to apologize. Seems like it was a controversial statement at the time he made it. The original section was termed "Quotes" but I didn't want it to appear as quote-mining so I changed it to controversy.--[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 16:17, 11 August 2008 (EDT)

:I would see it as more of a controversy if he held to that view. Similar to talk show hosts, ministers such as Swaggart preach for several hours every week of every year. Things are going to come up that offend some people. I have found, on a whole, that ministers apologize more readily than most other people; that they do so should not be held against them. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 19:30, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

== Block of RuralHall ==

Hi, was wondering why you blocked this user? Contributions seem sourced and there's no warnings/discussion on their talk page suggesting they are breaking any commandments or anything. [[User:DefenderofTrue|DefenderofTrue]] 16:49, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

:When a user makes a change to an article to refer to the "cult of Christianity", he's basically asking for his walking papers. Other places may find that to be cute; we don't. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 19:34, 21 August 2008 (EDT)
::I can't see that in his contributions, do you have a diff? [[User:DefenderofTrue|DefenderofTrue]] 15:19, 23 August 2008 (EDT)
:::Wrong person. RuralHall was removed for ignoring discussion on talk page of what information was inappropriate and why and adding what he wished to anyway. When he was reverted, he added it again. Since he had no positive contributions to the site, he was removed for good. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:29, 25 August 2008 (EDT)

== Moving of an article ==

Hello there,
I'd like to request your help; the [[David Milliband]] article (British foreign secretary) is misspelt and should be at [[David Miliband]] (as noted within the article and the source therein), however I don't seem to have the rights to move an article. I'm not sure if it's because of the age of my account or whether this operation is restricted to sysops, so I thought it wiser to approach someone who obviously has the community's respect. Thanks for the time. [[User:ChrisSmith|ChrisSmith]] 18:55, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

I would also like to request a few moves. I'm sorry if this the wrong place to ask. These images should be moved to the appropriate "Category:Middle-earth", as they are all scattered over the place: [http://www.conservapedia.com/Image:Hobbit_cover.JPG], [http://www.conservapedia.com/Image:Mhjfjfr7.jpg], [http://www.conservapedia.com/Image:Silmarillion.jpg], [http://www.conservapedia.com/Image:Middle-earth.jpg], [http://www.conservapedia.com/Image:Sundering_of_the_Elves.png]. And these articles should be under proper names and spellings: [[Fatty Bolger|Fredegar Bolger]], [[Elf (Middle Earth)|Elf (Middle-earth)]], [[Dwarves (Middle-earth)|Dwarf (Middle-earth)]], [[Théoden (Middle Earth)|Théoden]]. It would be nice if you could do this, if it isn't a bother. ~ [[User:Tolkiendil|Tolkiendil]] 17:52, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

== Image uploads ==

Hello again, thanks for moving the article to the correct title per my request, I now have another query. I created the article [[European Parliament]], and have found some images on wikimedia commons which would illustrate the article quite well. I'm not really sure about the image policy on Conservapedia, and the upload tool is restricted to sysops anyway, so I was wondering if you could help out. The image is located [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:European_Parliament_from_Cathedral.jpg here], and licensed under the GFDL, I'm not sure if that's compatible with this site or not. There are more images [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament here]. Thanks for taking the time. [[User:ChrisSmith|ChrisSmith]] 21:56, 21 August 2008 (EDT)

:As I am not sure what is common usage myself, I usually defer to other Sysops when it comes to the proper implementation of pictures. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:04, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
::Ok, no probs, cheers! [[User:ChrisSmith|ChrisSmith]] 13:39, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

== Category ==
Hi I reverted Saints listed Catholicism. I had a question regarding categories and thought you may be able to help. Under Saints, the structure is alphabetized but the names do not always match, e.g. Siant John of God, technically should be under (J) , by current sort it is under (S) and if I am correct- sort is established by last name or last word. Is there a better way to organize? Template structure flaw? -- [[Image:50 star flag.png|14px]] [[User:Jpatt|jp]] 12:31, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks for taking care of this. The DefaultSort function allows sorting in whatever form is desired. Look at Saint Andrew near the bottom as an example. For Saints sorting should generally be done by first name, as many are known and referenced that way. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:03, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

== Could you please explain this edit? ==

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Star_Trek&curid=13058&diff=513749&oldid=513747

<blockquote>
In another episode where the ship is trapped and aliens will perform experiments that will kill half the crew, Picard admits to 'Ryker' (actually an alien in disguise) that he does believe in God, because the universe is just too orderly to have happened on its own.
</blockquote>

Which episode? What aliens? [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 10:49, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

:Unfortunately that's all I remember. It was a 'cloud' type area of space that they entered and then couldn't get out of. The alien materialized in the air on their ship and looked non-human. It had no legs or anything touching the ground. He said his species wished to study all forms of death and dying and then he killed one of the crew on the bridge. He said that to finish his experiments would take a little more than half of Picard's crew. It was a phony Ryker and Troi who were talking to him in his quarters when he made his statement. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:13, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::See [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Where_Silence_Has_Lease this page] which I've added to the Star Trek page. [[User talk:MargeryCampbell|Marge]] 12:44, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Thank you for including that. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:48, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Okay, got it. Unfortunately, Picard doesn't say anything about God in that scene, though he obviously is open-minded about there being something more than this life. See [http://tng.trekcore.com/episodes/scripts/128.txt here]. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 15:15, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== Imagining -> roleplaying ==

Ah ha! That's the word I was looking for! (My initial thought was "simulating", but I knew that wasn't right!) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:02, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

== McCain's education ==

I noticed you reverted my edit about McCain's lack of performance at the Naval Academy. I've reinserted the source for the claim, which I forgot to put in before your reversion. I hope this helps. --[[User:DrHubertJNugz|DrHubertJNugz]] 14:16, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:This parodist has been dealt with. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:41, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::You do know what a parodist is, right? How can he be a conservative parodist if he is inserting information that is harmful to a conservative? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 14:44, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Google the name. A false name calculated to raise sniggering hilarity among his [[adolescent]] [[Liberal]] chums, and obviously here solely to cause trouble. My nostrils scent parodist, Jazz, they scent vandal and troublemaker, doubtless spawned in the cesspit. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:47, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::::A false name, like "trumpeter", you know, "one who plays the trumpet"? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 14:54, 10 September 2008 (EDT) (Um and Googling "Dr Hubert J Nugz" doesn't come up with anything. So try a little harder or you are going to start to look like a parodist.)
:::::Do you not know how to use Google? It came up with 2 hits to a parody site. You really need to try harder. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:57, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::::::Hint: drop the Dr. I doubt it comes from any reputable academic institution. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:58, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::::Give me links then. Everything's so obvious to you, why not just point it out instead of saying it's so obvious? I see two links to The Site That Must Not Be Named (which is not a parody site, unless you are trying to suggest something), and both of those links ''don't actually work'', so there's no way to verify that they aren't just pointing back at this Dr. And you still haven't explained why you are blocking people who have zero edits and no obvious harmful intent. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 15:04, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Heaven help us. You would let [[Osama bin Laden]] post on this site unless he questioned some dinosaur theory or other. Get real. We are surrounded by enemies: sniggering [[adolescent]] [[Liberals]], assorted leftist scum and [[atheists]] who seek to destroy this project. They fear what it may achieve. Let them fear us. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 15:08, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:In other words, when again asked a direct question, you make some assertion about me and dodge the question. I'm seeing a pattern here. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 15:22, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:::None so blind as those that will not see, HJ. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 15:24, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Actually, I have deleted the link as on closer inspection it is anti-CP and non-family-friendly. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 15:27, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::::Please don't call me HJ. I followed your link and magically found the exact same thing as when I did the search myself: a whole lot of nothing. Here's the first page: some guy's blog that nobody appears to read (and isn't parody), a myspace page for a hip-hop band, a research paper, and several other no-name links. You know, if you actually had any real proof, this could have been taken care of almost ''an hour ago'' by just telling me what it is. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 15:37, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::Well, you can call me B if you want. It helps a friendly atmosphere, I feel. If you found that blog wholesome and helpful thenm I pity you. I would rather give an innocent youth or maiden a phial of prussic acid than let him or her read that filth. And consequently the good doctor is not a fit or proper person to practice his moral perversions on this site. End of discussion. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 15:44, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
::::::Is it parody, or is it unwholesome? Because it looks to me like you blocked someone for being mentioned all of twice on a rarely-read blog (judging by the amount of comments) which has a lot of articles about golf, law school, and poetry. It is, granted, often peppered with swears and material not appropriate for this website, but that's just it, ''it's not on this website'', and you really have no basis for blocking DrHubertJNugz, and what evidence you did give is clearly false. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:07, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::::From his contributions, I think it's fair to say that Bugler is pretty much an expert on parody. [[User:Kaylee19892|Kaylee19892]] 12:37, 11 September 2008 (EDT)

London

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'''London''' is the capital of [[England]] and the [[United Kingdom]] and is the largest city in [[Europe]]. It includes both the [[City of London]] (the Square Mile) and [[Greater London]].

==History==
London was founded by the [[Romans]] as Londinium, and became the capital of [[England]] (taking over from [[Winchester]]) during the reign of [[William II]]. It grew steadily during the [[Middle Ages]], during which period it became a major port, specializing in the export of English wool.

In the [[Renaissance]], London became a centre of learning and culture, though the rise of [[Puritans|Puritanism]] in the late 16th century stifled much art and culture within the city centre. A lot of what Puritans deemed 'unacceptable' moved to the South Bank (the land lying on the south-side of the River Thames). [[Shakespeare's Globe theatre]] was located in this area, as well as many other buildings containing more questionable entertainment.

During the period of the [[British Empire]], London was a key transhipment point for various cargoes, including [[tea]], [[slaves]], [[molasses]], [[jute]], and [[silver]], indeed, anything traded in by the [[East India Company]].

During [[World War II]], London was heavily bombed by Germany's air force in [[the Blitz]] of 1940-41 and in 1944-45 was attacked by [[V-1]] 'flying bombs' and [[V-2]] missiles.

==Government of London==
London is governed by the Mayor of London (currently [[Ken Livingstone]]), a post not to be confused with that of Lord Mayor of London, which relates solely to the small [[City of London]] district. The mayor's executive is subject to scrutiny by the [[Greater London Assembly]]<ref>http://www.london.gov.uk/</ref>. Most matters relating to local government - local planning control, housing, education, libraries and arts, refuse collection,. etc - are controlled by London's 33 local authorities: 32 London Boroughs, and the [[City of London]] Corporation<ref>http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/doc.asp?doc=8788&cat=989</ref>.

==Popular Perception==
Although London is frequently depicted in the American media as a quaint and historic city perpetually shrouded in fog, the reality is that London is a modern city at the cutting edge of developments in architecture, transport, commerce, industry and entertainment, and fog is a rare occurrence. In fact, London is considered by many to be the financial capital of the world as well as the theatre capital of the world, and one of the world's premier cities<ref>{{cite web | last = Z/Yen Limited | title = The Competitive Position of London as a Global Financial Centre | publisher = CityOfLondon.gov.uk | date = November 2005 | url = http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/131B4294-698B-4FAF-9758-080CCE86A36C/0/BC_RS_compposition_FR.pdf | format = PDF | accessdate = 2006-09-17}}</ref><ref>[http://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/citymap.html The World According to GaWC], GaWC, [[Loughborough University]]</ref>. The city is notably permissive in its attitudes towards homosexuality, with twin centres for the lifestyle in [[Soho]]'s Old Compton Street and Wimbolt Street in East London. It is not unusual for men to live together as 'partners', especially around these areas. Notable London homosexuals include [[Quentin Crisp]], [[Adam Parmenter]] and [[Peter Tatchell]].

Notable landmarks include the [[Houses of Parliament]], The [[London Eye]], [[Buckingham Palace]] and [[Westminster Abbey]]. The [[London Underground]] (London's subway system, also known as the Tube) is the oldest in the world.

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==See Also==
[[London England Temple]]

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Revelation TV

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Revelation TV is a British [[Christian]] television channel run from [[London]]. It is broadcast on the Sky satellite network on channel 765. It was founded by Howard Condor and his wife Lesley, and started broadcasting in 2003.

Howard believed he was motivated to do it by the Lord, who wished to have a high quality Christian Channel based in the [[United Kingdom|UK]]<ref>http://www.revelationtv.com/meettheteam.aspx</ref>.

An extra channel, Genesis TV, has since started broadcasting from the same production team.

=== Controversy ===

In 2004,OFCOM, the British TV regulating body, found Revelation TV in breach of two sections of its program code after Revelation [[TV|Television]] broadcast views from a guest that were critical of [[Homosexuality]]<ref>http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/a14876/revelation-tv-slammed-for-anti-gay-comments.html</ref>.

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User:Kaylee19892

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Shakespeare's Globe theatre

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'''Shakespeare's Globe theatre''' shows productions written mainly by [[Shakespeare]] and his contempories and was completed in 1997 for around 30 million pounds<ref>http://www.shakespeares-globe.org/information/abouttheglobe/</ref>. It is an open air theatre based on the original built in the sixteenth century. It is situated opposite St Paul's Cathedral.

=== Original Theatre ===

Shakespeare's own company built the original Globe Theatre in [[London|London's]] Bankside in around 1598. It was open-air, on three stories and could hold up to 3000 people in the audience<ref>http://www.bardweb.net/globe.html</ref>.

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