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Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church

2009-07-10T23:43:21Z

KipDonner: /* Typos/Writing */

==Infomercial==
What is (was) this infomercial doing in CP? Not a word about the controversy regarding whether it even qualifies to be called Christian according to the Biblical and historical use of the word.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 13:04, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::there was too much on the Evangelical opposition to SDA--which can be briefly summarized--and not enough on the church itself, so I ficed that. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:45, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

::What you did was to minimized the substantial conflict that SDA had and has with historical Christianity, as well as to sanitize the negative things which it revolve around, while favorably presenting your doctrine. Your censoring would not even be allowed on WP.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 17:44, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::CP is not the venue for bitter theological disputes--and especially not for arguments that the Ten Commandments no longer apply. (for the record, my background is Roman Catholic) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:14, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

==Typos/Writing==

I notice I cannot edit this article, so I thought 'd just post this here - the sentence "This was later moved to 1844, but which also failed." is not very clear. Perhaps "This was later changed to 1844, but his (the?) prophecy failed to come to pass", or somesuch wording might be a little clearer? Also, "The chief proponent of this idea was Mrs. Ellen G. White, who along her husband James" needs the word "with" inserted between "along" and "her". Also, "matching events top the predictions in the Bible." - "top" should be "to". --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 18:56, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks--I will make your changes. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:01, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

One more - in the 'opposition' section, you need a space before 20th. --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:43, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

==Christian Sunday==

This is an interesting article, and I've learned a lot from it. But the section about the SDA's desire to respect a Christian Sunday perplexes me - "The concern about establishing a Christian Sunday expanded into opposition to the establishment of a "Christian" identity for the nation, and opposition to school prayer. This led to easy alliances with secularists in the American political spectrum." I don't understand that? How did their "concern about establishing a Christian Sunday" lead them to 'oppose Christianity and school prayer'?! It seems like they are completely opposite instincts? Can that point be clarified? --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:08, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::they wanted a Christian SATURDAY and strongly opposed laws that closed places on Sunday. for them sabbath = Saturday = 7th day. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:12, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Really?! Very interesting, I never knew that! And how about the objections to school prayer and collaborating with secularists? --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:18, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::::they strongly believe in separation of church and state, fearing especially that Sunday laws will get enacted otherwise.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:26, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Very interesting indeed. Thank you for your knowledge and insights, RJJensen. --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:29, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church

2009-07-10T23:30:09Z

KipDonner: I should have added a heading to this part

==Infomercial==
What is (was) this infomercial doing in CP? Not a word about the controversy regarding whether it even qualifies to be called Christian according to the Biblical and historical use of the word.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 13:04, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::there was too much on the Evangelical opposition to SDA--which can be briefly summarized--and not enough on the church itself, so I ficed that. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:45, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

::What you did was to minimized the substantial conflict that SDA had and has with historical Christianity, as well as to sanitize the negative things which it revolve around, while favorably presenting your doctrine. Your censoring would not even be allowed on WP.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 17:44, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::CP is not the venue for bitter theological disputes--and especially not for arguments that the Ten Commandments no longer apply. (for the record, my background is Roman Catholic) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:14, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

==Typos/Writing==

I notice I cannot edit this article, so I thought 'd just post this here - the sentence "This was later moved to 1844, but which also failed." is not very clear. Perhaps "This was later changed to 1844, but his (the?) prophecy failed to come to pass", or somesuch wording might be a little clearer? Also, "The chief proponent of this idea was Mrs. Ellen G. White, who along her husband James" needs the word "with" inserted between "along" and "her". Also, "matching events top the predictions in the Bible." - "top" should be "to". --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 18:56, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks--I will make your changes. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:01, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

==Christian Sunday==

This is an interesting article, and I've learned a lot from it. But the section about the SDA's desire to respect a Christian Sunday perplexes me - "The concern about establishing a Christian Sunday expanded into opposition to the establishment of a "Christian" identity for the nation, and opposition to school prayer. This led to easy alliances with secularists in the American political spectrum." I don't understand that? How did their "concern about establishing a Christian Sunday" lead them to 'oppose Christianity and school prayer'?! It seems like they are completely opposite instincts? Can that point be clarified? --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:08, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::they wanted a Christian SATURDAY and strongly opposed laws that closed places on Sunday. for them sabbath = Saturday = 7th day. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:12, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Really?! Very interesting, I never knew that! And how about the objections to school prayer and collaborating with secularists? --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:18, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::::they strongly believe in separation of church and state, fearing especially that Sunday laws will get enacted otherwise.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:26, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Very interesting indeed. Thank you for your knowledge and insights, RJJensen. --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:29, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church

2009-07-10T23:29:22Z

KipDonner: /* Christian Sunday */

==Infomercial==
What is (was) this infomercial doing in CP? Not a word about the controversy regarding whether it even qualifies to be called Christian according to the Biblical and historical use of the word.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 13:04, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::there was too much on the Evangelical opposition to SDA--which can be briefly summarized--and not enough on the church itself, so I ficed that. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:45, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

::What you did was to minimized the substantial conflict that SDA had and has with historical Christianity, as well as to sanitize the negative things which it revolve around, while favorably presenting your doctrine. Your censoring would not even be allowed on WP.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 17:44, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::CP is not the venue for bitter theological disputes--and especially not for arguments that the Ten Commandments no longer apply. (for the record, my background is Roman Catholic) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:14, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

I notice I cannot edit this article, so I thought 'd just post this here - the sentence "This was later moved to 1844, but which also failed." is not very clear. Perhaps "This was later changed to 1844, but his (the?) prophecy failed to come to pass", or somesuch wording might be a little clearer? Also, "The chief proponent of this idea was Mrs. Ellen G. White, who along her husband James" needs the word "with" inserted between "along" and "her". Also, "matching events top the predictions in the Bible." - "top" should be "to". --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 18:56, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks--I will make your changes. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:01, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

==Christian Sunday==

This is an interesting article, and I've learned a lot from it. But the section about the SDA's desire to respect a Christian Sunday perplexes me - "The concern about establishing a Christian Sunday expanded into opposition to the establishment of a "Christian" identity for the nation, and opposition to school prayer. This led to easy alliances with secularists in the American political spectrum." I don't understand that? How did their "concern about establishing a Christian Sunday" lead them to 'oppose Christianity and school prayer'?! It seems like they are completely opposite instincts? Can that point be clarified? --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:08, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::they wanted a Christian SATURDAY and strongly opposed laws that closed places on Sunday. for them sabbath = Saturday = 7th day. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:12, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Really?! Very interesting, I never knew that! And how about the objections to school prayer and collaborating with secularists? --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:18, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::::they strongly believe in separation of church and state, fearing especially that Sunday laws will get enacted otherwise.[[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:26, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Very interesting indeed. Thank you for your knowledge and insights, RJJensen. --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:29, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church

2009-07-10T23:18:18Z

KipDonner: school prayer?

==Infomercial==
What is (was) this infomercial doing in CP? Not a word about the controversy regarding whether it even qualifies to be called Christian according to the Biblical and historical use of the word.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 13:04, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::there was too much on the Evangelical opposition to SDA--which can be briefly summarized--and not enough on the church itself, so I ficed that. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:45, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

::What you did was to minimized the substantial conflict that SDA had and has with historical Christianity, as well as to sanitize the negative things which it revolve around, while favorably presenting your doctrine. Your censoring would not even be allowed on WP.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 17:44, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::CP is not the venue for bitter theological disputes--and especially not for arguments that the Ten Commandments no longer apply. (for the record, my background is Roman Catholic) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:14, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

I notice I cannot edit this article, so I thought 'd just post this here - the sentence "This was later moved to 1844, but which also failed." is not very clear. Perhaps "This was later changed to 1844, but his (the?) prophecy failed to come to pass", or somesuch wording might be a little clearer? Also, "The chief proponent of this idea was Mrs. Ellen G. White, who along her husband James" needs the word "with" inserted between "along" and "her". Also, "matching events top the predictions in the Bible." - "top" should be "to". --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 18:56, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks--I will make your changes. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:01, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

==Christian Sunday==

This is an interesting article, and I've learned a lot from it. But the section about the SDA's desire to respect a Christian Sunday perplexes me - "The concern about establishing a Christian Sunday expanded into opposition to the establishment of a "Christian" identity for the nation, and opposition to school prayer. This led to easy alliances with secularists in the American political spectrum." I don't understand that? How did their "concern about establishing a Christian Sunday" lead them to 'oppose Christianity and school prayer'?! It seems like they are completely opposite instincts? Can that point be clarified? --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:08, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::they wanted a Christian SATURDAY and strongly opposed laws that closed places on Sunday. for them sabbath = Saturday = 7th day. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:12, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Really?! Very interesting, I never knew that! And how about the objections to school prayer and collaborating with secularists? --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:18, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church

2009-07-10T23:08:26Z

KipDonner: clarification of sunday point?

==Infomercial==
What is (was) this infomercial doing in CP? Not a word about the controversy regarding whether it even qualifies to be called Christian according to the Biblical and historical use of the word.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 13:04, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::there was too much on the Evangelical opposition to SDA--which can be briefly summarized--and not enough on the church itself, so I ficed that. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 14:45, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

::What you did was to minimized the substantial conflict that SDA had and has with historical Christianity, as well as to sanitize the negative things which it revolve around, while favorably presenting your doctrine. Your censoring would not even be allowed on WP.[[User:Daniel1212|Daniel1212]] 17:44, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::CP is not the venue for bitter theological disputes--and especially not for arguments that the Ten Commandments no longer apply. (for the record, my background is Roman Catholic) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 18:14, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

I notice I cannot edit this article, so I thought 'd just post this here - the sentence "This was later moved to 1844, but which also failed." is not very clear. Perhaps "This was later changed to 1844, but his (the?) prophecy failed to come to pass", or somesuch wording might be a little clearer? Also, "The chief proponent of this idea was Mrs. Ellen G. White, who along her husband James" needs the word "with" inserted between "along" and "her". Also, "matching events top the predictions in the Bible." - "top" should be "to". --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 18:56, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks--I will make your changes. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 19:01, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

==Christian Sunday==

This is an interesting article, and I've learned a lot from it. But the section about the SDA's desire to respect a Christian Sunday perplexes me - "The concern about establishing a Christian Sunday expanded into opposition to the establishment of a "Christian" identity for the nation, and opposition to school prayer. This led to easy alliances with secularists in the American political spectrum." I don't understand that? How did their "concern about establishing a Christian Sunday" lead them to 'oppose Christianity and school prayer'?! It seems like they are completely opposite instincts? Can that point be clarified? --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 19:08, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church

2009-07-10T22:59:50Z

KipDonner: another typo

Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church

2009-07-10T22:58:08Z

KipDonner: more

Talk:Seventh-day Adventist Church

2009-07-10T22:56:08Z

KipDonner: suggested alternate wording?

User talk:KipDonner

2009-07-10T22:21:24Z

KipDonner: thank you

{{welcome|sig=--[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 18:17, 10 July 2009 (EDT)}}

And hello to you, and thank you for the welcome, Jpatt. --[[User:KipDonner|KipDonner]] 18:21, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

Anglican Communion

2009-07-10T22:14:20Z

KipDonner: typo

The '''Anglican Communion''' is the third largest christian religon in the world after Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox. The Anglican Communion functions as a worldwide body of associated churchs in full communion with the [[Archbishop of Canterbury]]. The Church of England is often seen as the Mother Church of the Anglican Communion and all Anglican churchs.

==Leadership==
The British monarch (currently, Queen [[Elizabeth II]]) is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England making her the titular head of the Anglican Communion. The British Monarch also bears the title 'Defender of the Faith'. A law dating from 1701, still in effect, prevents a Roman Catholic or spouse of a Roman Catholic from becoming king or queen.<ref> See [http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.aspx?activeTextDocId=1565208 Text]</ref>

The [[Archbishop of Canterbury]], the head of the Holy See of Canterbury, is the head of the Communion, and is seen as the 'Anglican Pope'. He has the ability to canonize saints, a notable example being Saint King [[Charles I]], the martyr.

The principal book of worship in Anglican churches is the [[Book of Common Prayer]] created by [[Thomas Cranmer]].

==Churchs in Full Communion==
* [[Church of England]]
* Anglican Church in Australia
* Anglican Church of Canada
* Anglican Church of Southern Africa
* The Church of the Province of Central Africa ([[Zimbabwe]], [[Malawi]], [[Botswana]])
* Church in [[Wales]]
* Church of [[Ireland]]
* Church of [[Pakistan]]
* Church of South India
* Anglican Church in Aotearoa, [[New Zealand]] and Polynesia
* [[Anglican Episcopal Church of Japan‎]]
* [[Episcopal Church in the United States of America]]
* Scottish Episcopal Church
* Sheng Kung Hui

[[Continuing Anglican]]ism is a movement of churches whose beliefs and practices are Anglican, but are '''not''' in full communion with the Church of England. These churches are generally more conservative.

[[Category:British History]]
[[Category:Anglicans]]

Book of Common Prayer

2009-07-10T22:11:56Z

KipDonner: also includes hymns

[[Image:Episcopal_1928_BCP.jpg|thumb|150px|Recent printing of the Episcopal Church 1928 Book of Common Prayer]]

The '''Book of Common Prayer''' is the principal book of [[worship]] used within the churches of the worldwide [[Anglican Communion]], including the [[Church of England]] and the [[Episcopal Church]] in the United States. Each country's Anglican church will generally publish its own Book of Common Prayer, which typically includes both prayers and hymns.

The Church of England issued their first Book of Common Prayer in 1549. A major revision occurred in 1662. The 1662 book has been reissued many times and translated into several languages.

In the Episcopal Church in the United States, the first version specifically for the U.S. Episcopal Church was published in 1789. (Prior to the [[American Revolution]], the Church of England's prayer book was used.) Revised versions were issued in 1892 and 1928. A more substantial revision was made in 1979, which was controversial over the toning down of language regarding [[sin]], and the introduction of a choice of two different rites, one of them in modernized language. The 1979 version is the most recent, and is used in the Episcopal Church USA. The 1928 version remains in print and is used by most [[Continuing Anglican]] churches.

==External links==
* [http://www.eskimo.com/~lhowell/bcp1662/ 1662 Book of Common Prayer website]
* [http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/bcp.htm All U.S. editions of the Book of Common Prayer online]
* [http://www.commonprayer.org/ A 1928 Book of Common Prayer website and ministry]
* [http://pbsusa.org/ Prayer Book Society of the USA]

[[Category:Religious Texts]]
[[Category:Anglicans]]