Talk:Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

2013-01-08T20:28:02Z

Klasovsky:

The palm tree (Borassus flabbifera), with its associations with the snake- snakes live in them; nakedness- the most primitive textiles are derived from palm fibers; evil- wine, or toddy is produced from it; good- clothing, roofing, food (as fruit, tubers and shoots) all come from it; sex- the seeds are listed in pharmacopoeias as aphrodisiac; and knowledge- the first known books were written on palm leaves; seems to be the most likely candidate for the actual model of the tree. Other threads of evidence seem to point in that direction too- especially that the pagan forms of snake worship prevalent in Bible times sometimes made use of the palm's resemblance to a hooded cobra rearing; another clue may be derived from Canaan's association with Phoenicia and Phoenicia's association with the palm. The fruit of the Borassus resembles the fig superficially, and is named similarly to the Hebrew for fig (ta'anah-תאנה) especially in those Tibeto-Burman language families nearest the Mid-East (khymer: tanot, etc.). If it were indeed the fig that Adam and Eve ate of, then the needle and thread with which they stitched together ta'anah leaves to cover their nakedness (Genesis 3-7), may have been provided by the palm [[User:Klasovsky|Klasovsky]] 15:23, 8 January 2013 (EST)

Talk:Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil

2013-01-08T20:23:59Z

Klasovsky: Created page with "The palm tree (Borassus flabbifera), with its associations with the snake- snakes live in them; nakedness- the most primitive textiles are derived from palm fibers; evil- wine, ..."

The palm tree (Borassus flabbifera), with its associations with the snake- snakes live in them; nakedness- the most primitive textiles are derived from palm fibers; evil- wine, or toddy is produced from it; good- clothing, roofing, food (as fruit, tubers and shoots) all come from it; sex- the seeds are listed in pharmacopoeias as aphrodisiac; and knowledge- the first known books were written on palm leaves; seems to be the most likely candidate for the actual model of the tree. Other threads of evidence seem to point in that direction too- especially that the pagan forms of snake worship prevalent in Bible times sometimes made use of the palm's resemblance to a hooded cobra rearing; another clue may be derived from Canaan's association with Phoenicia and Phoenicia's association with the palm. The fruit of the Borassus resembles the fig superficially, and is named similarly to the Hebrew for fig(תאנה) especially in those Tibeto-Burman language families nearest the Mid-East (tanot, etc.). If it were indeed the fig that Adam and Eve ate of, then the needle and thread with which they stitched together leaves to cover their nakedness (Genesis 3-7), may have been provided by the palm [[User:Klasovsky|Klasovsky]] 15:23, 8 January 2013 (EST)

Talk:Evolution

2013-01-08T18:21:05Z

Klasovsky: /* Question Evolution! Campaign is achieving its goal - people are questioning evolution! */

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== Question Evolution! Campaign is achieving its goal - people are questioning evolution! ==
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'''American [[young earth creationism]] increased in the last two years - Gallup survey.''' [http://creation.com/question-evolution Question evolution! campaign] and other efforts of creationists are working!.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/american-young-earth-creationism.html]

It is so good to be a Bible believing creationist! It is so easy to crush the pseudoscience of [[evolution]]ism. It merely takes getting the anti-evolution message out there.[http://creation.com/creation-timely-tool-for-todays-evangelist][http://creation.com/taking-creation-evangelism-to-the-streets] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:34, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

Whereas I, a different user, though I am Christian, see no problem with evolution, and honestly trust science more than certain political pundits and loudmouths.''-unsigned comment''

And I, another user, though I am an agnostic (however, I am inclined more towards atheism than ever due to articles like this) understand that evolution is a flawless theory. It is scientific fact, a certainty, that unnerves me as much as it does anyone else - and yet it is undeniably a fact because there is a huge body of evidence supporting it. This body of evidence is readily available in brilliant books that you can borrow from your local library, and impossible, if understood, to contradict (using logic and reason). It makes me sad to see debates raging on on this subject when the matter has long since been settled. Evoltuion is proven by the fossil record, without exception; by the science of genetics, without exception; it is actually played out visibly if you care to study the development of a human embryo; it sheds light (though of course, cannot be proven, as that would be a cyclical arguement) by the many oddities that plague human anatomy, such as vestigial tails, redundant organs, and certain instincts (like that twitch you feel when you are falling asleep and your arm falls: that is a best explained as remnant of a trait our ancestors developed to prevent themselves falling out trees). The often quoted existence of a 'missing link' is also imaginary, for reasons that would become evident to people who actually studied the facts of this issue. I am certain that every creationist, and evolution denier, in fact, every non ultra-Darwinist, has not thoroughly researched the topic. Charles Darwin and Richard Dawkins provide the most accurate overview of evolution in the scientific world. There is literally no reason to dis-believe in evolution, or even to believe in it. This is because it is not a question of belief. It has been proven. Therefore one does not need belief to realise it is true.''-unsigned comment''

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Recently my son, devout of faith, laughed, "Ten minutes in the Natural History Museum teaches you how great God is, and how true evolution is."
Certainly the majority of Christianity agrees with him. I do. And it is sad to see the unjust criticisms here of science, which must, by definition, take a mechanistic viewpoint. I'd advise the authors of this article to bear in mind this paraphrasing of our Lord Jesus's words, "Render unto science the things that are science's. . ." God's works are great and it's difficult enough to understand his purposes without blinding ourselves with ancestor worship in the form of Biblical literalism. That's just another form of idolatry. There are infinite possibilities to see Him at work everyday in our personal lives.[[User:Klasovsky|Klasovsky]] 13:21, 8 January 2013 (EST)

== Issues ==
There are a few things, such as in the opening that isn't accurate. There is not several theories of evolution, evolution is the only theory but there are some theories within of how some processes work. The statement that the fossil record does not support evolution is also wrong. It is one of the main points of evidence for evolution. The information about 700 scientists signing the statement that evolution is wrong should also mention the Steve Project, which has taken names just from scientists who are named Steve and have many more names than the Discovery Institute. There is also statistics regarding medical doctors who do not believe in evolution, but for some reason does not comment on scientists in general, such as this poll [http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-5-evolution-climate-change-and-other-issues/] which states that 97% of scientist believe evolution. [[User:Crzyclarks|Crzyclarks]] 20:32, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

Is this article semi-protected like on Wikipedia, or is it fully protected so only admins can edit? I also added back the "Issues" section as it was removed for some reason. [[User:AcomaMagic|AcomaMagic]] 14:48, 18 August 2012 (EDT)

== Neutrality ==

This article needs to be unprotected. Only admins seem to be able to edit and from what I've seen, all admins are YEC's. The section above this one offers improvements to the article, yet it was removed by an admin and the fixes and suggested content still has not been implemented. In short, the article is embarrassing for the website and makes its motto look like a joke. Literally a joke made to poke fun at itself. [[User:AcomaMagic|AcomaMagic]] 08:49, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

==Popper Quote==

The Karl Popper quote is taken out of context. For example the next line is: "and although it is no doubt THE BEST AT PRESENT AVAILABLE, it can be slightly improved." In addition, anyone who researches more will find that he recanted his view later in life.

I find incidents such as this common throughout the page, and I humbly ask for it to be unprotected so that I can fix the mistakes throughout. [[User:TAbbott|TAbbott]] 8:12, 2 October 2012 (BST)

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