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		<title>Waterboarding</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Waterboard.jpg|right|thumb|350px|A wall-painting found at a Vietnamese POW camp illustrating waterboarding being used against an American prisoner]]&lt;br /&gt;
'''Waterboarding''' is a method of interrogation which simulates the sensation of drowning. A tightly bound prisoner has porous cloth placed over his mouth and nose. Water is poured over his face in such a manner as to convince the prisoner that he is drowning. Its use by American forces against terrorism suspects has been called controversial by some, particularly by (but not limited to) [[leftists]]. Opponents of the practice call it &amp;quot;[[torture]]&amp;quot; and on this basis argue that it is illegal. Supporters of the practice acknowledge its coercive nature but say it is not torture and therefore not illegal. John McCain, a prominent Republican Senator and former 2008 Presidential candidate and POW during the Vietnam War, who was tortured during his detention, stated that waterboarding is &amp;quot;torture, not enhanced interrogation&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNeqKl8oUWk&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The practice dates back to the time of the Spanish Inquisition in the 1500s. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Legal issues in the 20th century==&lt;br /&gt;
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In 1901, Major Edwin Glenn was court-martialed and sentenced to 10 years hard labour for waterboarding an insurgent in the [[Philippines]] during the [[Spanish-American War]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;guardian&amp;quot;&amp;gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1933315,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1356870&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In 1947, Yukio Asano - a Japanese officer - was charged with war crimes and received 15 years hard labour for waterboarding a US civilian. It was declared illegal by US generals in Vietnam and a US soldier was the subject of an investigation, and later cleared, when ''The Washington Post'' (21.1.1968) published a front page photograph of him supervising the waterboarding of a captured North Vietnamese soldier.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100402005.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;guardian&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
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== Controversy over use in the [[War on Terror]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to  18 [[United States Code|U.S.C.]] § 2340, torture is defined as &amp;quot;an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00002340----000-.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
The [[United Nations]] Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman&lt;br /&gt;
or Degrading Treatment or Punishment classifies torture as &amp;quot;any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/h_cat39.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The US Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE) in [[San Diego]], [[California]] uses waterboarding demonstrations on its students. On Jan. 21, 1968, The Washington Post published a front-page photograph of a U.S. soldier supervising the questioning of a captured North Vietnamese soldier who is being held down as water was poured on his face while his nose and mouth were covered by a cloth. The picture, taken four days earlier near Da Nang, had a caption that said the technique induced &amp;quot;a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning, meant to make him talk.&amp;quot; ''The article said the practice was &amp;quot;fairly common&amp;quot; in part because &amp;quot;those who practice it say it combines the advantages of being unpleasant enough to make people talk while still not causing permanent injury.''&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100402005.html Washington Post: Waterboarding Historically Controversial]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Opponents of the practice call it &amp;quot;[[torture]]&amp;quot; and want official definitions of [[torture]] ''changed'' so as to outlaw the technique.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/04/06/usdom13130.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; One notable critic of waterboarding is Senator[[John McCain]], himself a victim of torture. Senator McCain believes that it is highly inappropriate and unnecessary. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/01/politics/main3441067.shtml&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Writing in ''NewsWeek'' in 2005, Senator McCain wrote: “To make someone believe that you are killing him by drowning is no different than holding a pistol to his head and firing a blank. I believe that it is torture, very exquisite torture”, and said it should remain outlawed. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2005\12\08\story_8-12-2005_pg4_13 ‘Torture’ takes on new meaning in post-9/11], [[Reuters]], December 8th, 2005&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Defenders of the practice deny that the suffering it causes is severe enough as to amount to torture, and in any case, used against America's enemies, it has proved to be highly effective. Joseph Farah is an American author, journalist, and editor-in-chief of the conservative website WorldNetDaily said:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Americans are simply losing their ability to distinguish right from wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't know how else to put it. Up is down, day is night, left is right and right is wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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A good illustration of my thesis is the growing political consensus around the idea that the U.S. should stop using any effective interrogation techniques that make our terrorist enemies uncomfortable – even those involved in planning acts of mass destruction and annihilation.&lt;br /&gt;
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For instance, armchair generals are increasingly referring to &amp;quot;waterboarding&amp;quot; as torture and saying it must be stopped in all cases.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have no doubts waterboarding is a very unpleasant experience. It must be so because it is considered 100 percent effective and usually induces cooperation within 30 seconds.&lt;br /&gt;
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The technique of waterboarding involves pouring water on the head of a prisoner with the purpose of triggering a gagging reflex and the panic of imminent drowning.  	&lt;br /&gt;
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It was used successfully to learn about terrorist operations planned by two of al-Qaida's top operatives – Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, involved in the planning of the 9/11 attack, and Abu Zubaida, another leader of the terrorist organization.&lt;br /&gt;
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Apparently both of these mass killers endured many hours of coercive interrogations without talking. But they sung like canaries after a few seconds of waterboarding.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''In both cases, there is reason to believe planned terrorist attacks were foiled as a result of this technique.&amp;quot;'''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59481 WorldNet Daily: Waterboarding is not torture]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Waterboarding has served a &amp;quot;valuable&amp;quot; purpose and does not constitute torture, former Attorney General [[John Ashcroft]] told a House committee.  Testifying on the Bush administration's interrogation rules before the House Judiciary Committee, Ashcroft defended the technique while answering a question from Rep. Howard Coble, R-North Carolina.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Waterboarding, as we all know, is a controversial issue. Do you think it served a beneficial purpose?&amp;quot; the congressman asked.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;The reports that I have heard, and I have no reason to disbelieve them, indicate that they were very valuable,&amp;quot; Ashcroft said, adding that CIA Director George Tenet indicated the &amp;quot;value of the information received from the use of enhanced interrogation techniques -- I don't know whether he was saying waterboarding or not, but assume that he was for a moment -- the value of that information exceeded the value of information that was received from all other sources.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/17/ashcroft.waterboarding/ John Ashcroft: Waterboarding serves 'valuable' purpose and does not constitute torture]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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According to news reports:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;And when it comes to outright torture, the CIA does not believe it produces reliable results and has never used it, reports Ronald Kessler, chief Washington correspondent of [[Newsmax]].com.&lt;br /&gt;
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The three terrorists who were subjected too waterboarding are Abu Zubaydah, Osama bin Laden’s chief of operations; Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the mastermind of the bombing of the USS Cole; and Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks.&lt;br /&gt;
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In these cases waterboarding and other coercive techniques, such as forcing prisoners to stand for hours, succeeded in extracting intelligence that led to the capture of key al-Qaida operative planning terrorist attack against Americans.&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Despite the media’s focus on waterboarding, it is in reality a “non issue,” said Kessler, author of the book “The Terrorist Watch: Inside the Desperate Race to Stop the Next Attack.”'''&lt;br /&gt;
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'''“It hasn’t been used since 2003 and won’t be used again. The media is using it as an excuse to bash... President Bush.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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''“Waterboarding was employed on only three terrorists who were not cooperating, and the information they ultimately provided helped stave off attacks that could have resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of people.”''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Waterboard_Not_Torture/2007/12/10/56046.html NewsMax Inside Cover: Waterboarding NOT Torture]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor, a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies is an acknowledged expert on this matter. In the magazine ''National Review'' he stated:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjhkM2YyZmE5MThjZGNlN2IyMGI4MmE3MWM1OWQ5MjA=&amp;amp;w=MQ== National Review; Waterboarding and Torture]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{cquote|Again, we do not know the details of waterboarding as practiced (if, as reported, it is or has been practiced) by the CIA. Yet, we know generally that waterboarding is very rough stuff. It is not especially painful physically and causes no lasting bodily injury; yet, it is intended to create the sensation of drowning in a person who is bound and temporarily suffocated. Administered by someone who knows what he is doing, there is presumably no actual threat of drowning or suffocation; for the victim, though, there is clearly fear of imminent death and he could pass out from the deprivation of oxygen.&lt;br /&gt;
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The sensation is temporary, not prolonged. There shouldn’t be much debate that subjecting someone to it repeatedly would cause the type of mental anguish required for torture. But what about doing it once, twice, or some number of instances that were not prolonged or extensive?&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Reasonable minds can and do differ on this. Personally, I don’t believe it qualifies. It is not in the nature of the barbarous sadism universally condemned as torture, an ignominy the law, as we’ve seen, has been patently careful not to trivialize or conflate with lesser evils. The Washington Post and Sen. Edward Kennedy have pointed to a World War II era war crimes prosecution by the U.S. against a Japanese soldier who used what was described as “water torture” on an American civilian. But they’ve failed to note that this was far from the only conduct at issue; the soldier was also charged with having engaged, over a sustained period of time, in “beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; … burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward.” The case hardly stands for the proposition that isolated instances of waterboarding would be torture.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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Moreover, American military and intelligence services reportedly use (or, at least, have used) waterboarding in their counter-interrogation training programs. Congress carved no exception into torture law for such exercises. '''''Consequently, a conclusion that waterboarding is torture would be tantamount to a finding that our own services are committing a heinous felony, the equivalent of a war crime, against our own operatives — something I believe it is fair to say Congress cannot possibly have intended.'''''}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== References ==&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Orville Wright</title>
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&lt;div&gt;'''Orville Wright''' (1871 - 1948) was the first to fly the flying machine he and his brother [[Wilbur Wright]] created. These American brothers are generally credited with the invention of the first [[airplane]] (though whether they were truly first or not is debatable).  They first flew their aircraft in [[Kitty Hawk]], [[North Carolina]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Orville was born at Dayton, Indiana, in the year of 1871. Like his brother Wilbur, he never graduated from high school because he took special subjects in his junior year of high school instead of a prescribed course. Wilbur, however, did not graduate because he failed to attend the commencement ceremonies. Together the brothers started a [[bicycle]] shop, called the &amp;quot;Wright Cycle Company&amp;quot;, were they built, sold, and repaired bicycles.&lt;br /&gt;
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The two became interested in [[aviation]] when they read an article on the death of a daring glider pilot and inventor named [[Otto Lilienthal]]. In 1899, they began to experiment with a biplane kite. The next year, the brothers went to Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, to test a 16 foot (ft.) glider, which cost them $15.00 to build. They returned to Kitty Hawk in 1901 to experiment with a larger non-motor powered aircraft, but neither glider had the lift they had counted on. They concluded that the published tables of air pressure on curved surfaces were all wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
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The brothers built a [[wind tunnel]] in their bicycle shop, and began experiments with model wings. From these tests, they determined the first reliable air pressure tables on curved surfaces. They then built a new glider in 1902, with [[aerodynamic]] qualities far in advance of its time. By the fall of 1903, they had completed building a machine that weighed just over 750 pounds with the pilot, and it had a 40 ft. wing span. &lt;br /&gt;
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On December 17, 1903, they returned to Kitty Hawk to test the new aircraft. Orville piloted the machine, and he flew 120 ft. in just over 12 seconds.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Young mass murderers</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==&amp;quot;Mass Murder&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
This is a very strong term, and here, it seems to be used disturbingly broadly, so what's the exact definition? Does suicide count into the &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot;? Is somebody who kills himself and one other person a mass murderer? --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 15:21, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, apparently, &amp;quot;mass murder&amp;quot; now also means &amp;quot;wounding and intending to kill many people&amp;quot; since Andy reverted my edit. I won't bother to make additional edits to this. Already got a warning block for this (among other things, like the high crime of cleaning up Conservative's mess), so whatever. --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 16:55, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, the title is awkward, but we know what it means. I'm open to suggestions and can &amp;quot;move&amp;quot; the article to a new title if a better one can be found. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:00, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;but we know what it means&amp;quot; - Ed, I'm glad that you (or Andy) weren't around when Britannica or other encyclopedias were looking for editors. Since this article is in the mainspace and thus a part of an ''encyclopedia'' (and since there is no article text giving this table any context), the headline has to be correct and not some wishy-washy &amp;quot;Yeah, I know it's wrong, but it sounds great!&amp;quot; placeholder.&lt;br /&gt;
:::I would vote for a move to Andy's userspace since the entire point of this &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;article&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; table is to give Andy a more convenient way of mocking liberals (&amp;quot;Liberal response: Poem comparing it to environmental harm&amp;quot; - Gosh, other people call that &amp;quot;victims trying to deal with a tragedy&amp;quot;, but hey, whatever works to make a cheap point!) and casting tragedies into a light that makes me doubt that the table is supposed to be more than satire (&amp;quot;Belief: wore black entirely&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Belief: targeted Christmas shoppers&amp;quot; - I feel like I'm reading The Onion.).&lt;br /&gt;
:::To be honest, I don't see much encyclopedic value in this table. Especially not in its current form with the columns and &amp;quot;beliefs&amp;quot; mentioned above. If we cut out the &amp;quot;Liberal response&amp;quot; column, clean up the last column, find all sorts of sources, and write an entire article around the table, then we could move it to &amp;quot;List of school shootings&amp;quot; or something (which in turn might be a candidate for a category instead of a dedicated article).&lt;br /&gt;
:::But that is somewhat like trying to rebuild a car when you just start with one damaged wheel: Sure, you could repair the wheel and then build a car around it, but why not just build a car in a more logical order (starting with a motor or chassis)?&lt;br /&gt;
:::Maybe move the table to some workbench outside the mainspace and see if people are dedicated enough to tinker with it. --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 17:35, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jenkins, I didn't read through all of your long-winded comments above.  But as I said on your talk page, a Wiki is for ''adding'' and/or ''improving'' information, not deleting it. If you can improve, then do so, but don't delete information and serve the role of a censor.  Go to [[Wikipedia]] to do that, where censors delete [[conservative]] information daily.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:43, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Andy, why do you even reply when you didn't read my post? Words fail me. Not even going to bother replying to your completely messed-up idea of improving the wiki (&amp;quot;You must not remove information added by me, no matter how little it has to do with the title&amp;quot;). Oh, and thanks for blocking me for cleaning up the mess caused by one of your High Quality Editors and accusing me of censorship. That sure motivates me! --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 17:57, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;wore black entirely,&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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ROUND UP THE NUNS!!!! I THINK SISTER MARY ELLEN IS PACKING HEAT!!!!!!&lt;br /&gt;
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What about ninjas?  They wear all black, and we know they're bad.  Black = evil.&lt;br /&gt;
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Does this make pirates the agents of the almighty? They ARE the Ninja's sworn enemy, after all...&lt;br /&gt;
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and Italian widows.&lt;br /&gt;
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equating black with evil makes nuns and ministers evil ? thats not correct. Does lead one to wonder why black was selected especially as Nuns are the brides of christ , maybe white is a real challange laundry wise.  [[User:Markr|Markr]] 13:50, 21 November 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Young mass murderers==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is the criteria?  Under 30?  Under 25?  And does a shooting in December qualify the murderer as anti-Christian? [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 09:17, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey, does one poem someone wrote on a blog really count as a response for all liberals?  Or just one person? [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 16:59, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: That was the official Virginia Tech poem.  It's probably somewhere on the Virginia Tech now, as it was after the tragedy.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:03, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: What is the cutoff for &amp;quot;young&amp;quot;?  It's the same definition as for anything else.  Still in school, or out of school and less than, say, 21.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:03, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::So then the VA Tech guy ''doesn't'' count then?  He was 23. [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 18:44, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Dude, where's your logic?  Of course the [[Virginia Tech killer]] satisfies the definition of &amp;quot;young&amp;quot;.  Please read it again, and apply logic this time.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:47, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::By your &amp;quot;logic&amp;quot;, [http://www.bsu.edu/news/article/0,1370,-1019-9169,00.html Constance Clark] would have been a &amp;quot;young mass murderer&amp;quot; if she had gone on a killing spree during her last university year (at age '''50'''). It somehow appears as if you're deliberately setting the goalposts to include all students while still pretending to only focus on young ones.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Do I regard a 23 old man as &amp;quot;young&amp;quot;? Not really. He's old enough to drink, drive and vote (just not in that order, please...), so calling him &amp;quot;young&amp;quot; is misleading. --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 19:54, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Growing Problem?==&lt;br /&gt;
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Andy, you said on the Main Talk Page that, &amp;quot;''...this problem is growing: there were 4 mass murders...in 2007. How many will there be in 2008?''&amp;quot;  I'm afraid that's not accurate--there's been a fairly steady number of such incidents for at least a decade.  Googling &amp;quot;school shootings&amp;quot; will bring up various timelines going back years with much fodder for this article.  --[[User:RossC|RossC]] 14:23, 9 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's certainly been growing since the mid 90s, though. There was a wave of school shootings in 1997-1999, and copycat incidents have happened since. I just wrote a paper for my college class using statistics from 1995, and the writers then were arguing that school violence was relatively rare. And it certainly wasn't as much of a threat in the 1970s. It's growing, even though there may be variance year to year. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 14:24, 9 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, absolutely.  I wonder, too, how much of the sense of a &amp;quot;growing&amp;quot; problem is a function of the greater availability of news via the Internet, which started hitting its stride in the mid-90s.  A lot of the &amp;quot;lesser&amp;quot; pre-Net incidents might be buried out of public attention in local papers.--[[User:RossC|RossC]] 14:57, 9 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: No, I think it is a growing problem.  I've heard the claims that it was constant or even declining from the 1970s (Vietnam Era) through Columbine (1999), but I think that's outdated now.  4+ big incidents in one year (2007), totaling 50 dead and many injured, plus numerous arrests including some yesterday for foiled attempts, is more than any time in 30 years, I think.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 15:12, 9 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colorado killer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Colorado killer does not meet the previous definition of young:  &amp;quot;Still in school, or out of school and less than, say, 21.&amp;quot;  Besides, he was a Christian-hater too.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:A &amp;quot;very, very religious&amp;quot; Christian who hates Christians?  That's a new one on me.  The young man was clearly troubled, but I don't think you've shown that he hated Christians specifically, so much as he bore a grudge against the Missionary program from which he was ejected.  [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 21:43, 10 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The point was that he was homeschooled. When a Public Schooler goes on a mass killing spree its '''solely''' because he went to a public school. When a homeschooler goes on a killing spree its '''most certainly not''' because of his flawless education and values. [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 21:50, 10 December 2007 (EST) P.S- Just above, you also say the V Tech killer meets the definition of young. At least attempt to find logical consistency.&lt;br /&gt;
==VT==&lt;br /&gt;
Saying that the VT poem merely compared the tragedy to environmental harm is disingenuous as it is a gross understatement - more should be added to that. Regardless however, the poem had no political motivations - it was logic - unless someone here thinks that elephants DESERVE to be massacred for ivory. &amp;quot;Damn those darn elephants -they cheat in a poker games&amp;quot;--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 22:03, 10 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
==Asa Coon==&lt;br /&gt;
Why is Asa Coon on here? Since when is suicide mass murder?--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 09:59, 16 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Attempted murder ... 4 times, followed by killing himself, which is also a type of murder.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:06, 16 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh ok - sorry I missed the number of injured - my mistake.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 14:01, 16 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm not a communist or anything but I really don't understand how you can class a suicide as mass murder. Surely if this is the case the list would be somewhat longer than eight entries. [[User:RedDog|RedDog]] 13:32, 16 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ummm...Mr. Schlafly? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Aschlafly reverted my edit about the latest one concerning public schools, and....may I ask why? It seemed a logical followup to what was said. --[[User:JMarks|JMarks]] 23:01, 9 June 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Reverts ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why were Jeff Weise and Kip Kinkell removed? '''[[user:FernoKlump|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#000066&amp;quot; &amp;gt;FernoKlump&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]'''&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User:FernoKlump/petition|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#bd2433&amp;quot; &amp;gt;Look at this petition!]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:55, 16 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Marc Lépine ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why does Aschlafly keep trying to remove Marc Lepine?--[[User:DamianSuarez|DamianSuarez]] 10:54, 31 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: As I stated clearly, Marc had been in the workforce and was not a &amp;quot;young mass murderer.&amp;quot;  Also, the description for his views is misleading because it lacks hsi religious background.  See, e.g., [http://www.volokh.com/posts/1142399687.shtml Volokh Blog].--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 11:17, 31 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::He was also still in school and is younger than another entry on this list. His views were that he hated feminism. How is this misleading? If you don't believe me, read his suicide note.--[[User:DamianSuarez|DamianSuarez]] 11:38, 31 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Forgive the mistakes, I had 15 minutes to write this. See also Annex.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Would you note that if I commit suicide today 89-12-06 it is not for economic reasons (for I have waited until I exhausted all my financial means, even refusing jobs) but for political reasons. Because I have decided to send the feminists, who have always ruined my life, to their Maker. For seven years life has brought me no joy and being totally blasé, I have decided to put an end to those viragos.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I tried in my youth to enter the Forces as an officer cadet, which would have allowed me possibly to get into the arsenal and precede Lortie in a raid. They refused me because antisocial (sic). I therefore had to wait until this day to execute my plans. In between, I continued my studies in a haphazard way for they never really interested me, knowing in advance my fate. Which did not prevent me from obtaining very good marks despite my theory of not handing in work and the lack of studying before exams.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if the Mad Killer epithet will be attributed to me by the media, I consider myself a rational erudite that only the arrival of the Grim Reaper has forced to take extreme acts. For why persevere to exist if it is only to please the government. Being rather backward-looking by nature (except for science), the feminists have always enraged me. They want to keep the advantages of women (e.g. cheaper insurance, extended maternity leave preceded by a preventative leave, etc.) while seizing for themselves those of men.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus it is an obvious truth that if the Olympic Games removed the Men-Women distinction, there would be Women only in the graceful events. So the feminists are not fighting to remove that barrier. They are so opportunistic they neglect to profit from the knowledge accumulated by men through the ages. They always try to misrepresent them every time they can. Thus, the other day, I heard they were honoring the Canadian men and women who fought at the frontline during the world wars. How can you explain then that women were not authorized to go to the frontline??? Will we hear of Caesar's female legions and female galley slaves who of course took up 50% of the ranks of history, though they never existed. A real Casus Belli.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry for this too brief letter.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Marc Lépine&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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::A list of names follows, with this note attached:--[[User:DamianSuarez|DamianSuarez]] 11:38, 31 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;Nearly died today. The lack of time (because I started too late) has allowed these radical feminists to survive.&lt;br /&gt;
Alea Jacta Est.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rename?==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems to me this article needs to be renamed, without the &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; in the title. Someone who murders one person (Kimveer Gill) or just himself (Asa Coon) can't really be said to be a &amp;quot;mass murderer&amp;quot; by any sense of the definition. Maybe &amp;quot;Attempted mass murderers&amp;quot; or just &amp;quot;murderers&amp;quot;, or some other adjective, for accuracy's sake. [[User:Fyezall|Fyezall]] 12:05, 26 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: perhaps just remove the few who didnt kill more than 1 ?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Teach Marksmanship ! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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My initial response to this article is probably going to seem bizarre but the death count and number wounded leads me to a professional condemnation of their marksmanship. If the intention was to kill rather than just create confusion then more injured than dead is inexcusable [[User:Markr|Markr]] 13:46, 21 November 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I find that comment incredibly distasteful (not that i lost any friends in these attacks) but never the less, spare a thought for the parents and friends of the victims - would they like to hear that comment? (just my opinion - nothing personal) ---- [[Image:50 star flag.png|14px]] [[User:PhilipV|PhilipV]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:PhilipV|'' I Support our Troops!'']]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:58, 31 December 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tim Kretschmer was &amp;quot;indicative of anti-Christianity&amp;quot;? ==&lt;br /&gt;
In the article it is said that Tim Kretschmer was &amp;quot;indicative of anti-Christianity&amp;quot;. I haven't found any evidence for that proposition. I also asked for a reference but my edit was reverted. I guess that he was kind of atheist, but some reference would be appreciated. I have been actively looking for it but I haven't found. So to someone who doesn't have such a presupposition, it can be quite hard to believe without a reference. So if someone has a reference, please add it. --[[User:Erkkimon|Erkkimon]] 18:21, 13 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;I haven't found any evidence for that proposition&amp;quot; may mean you haven't yet opened your mind to it.  Atheists censor disclosure of the harm they cause, but that doesn't prevent the use of logic.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:22, 13 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::You're trying to say that I haven't opened my mind to a proposition that atheists are behind these mass murders? I'm not sure if I understood right. But if I did understand right, I want to tell you that I'm quite sure that Kretschmer is also an atheist, because I have analyzed the school mass murders in Finland quite deeply. [http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fapologetiikkawiki.org%2FKoulumassamurhat&amp;amp;sl=fi&amp;amp;tl=en This article] is mainly written by me and it should prove that I have opened my mind to the idea of mass murdering atheists. But you have to understand that we can't just guess. It doesn't prove anything. So I'll ask again. Is there any proof, that is not just a claim, that Tim Kretschmer was an atheist or naturalist or anti-semitist or anti-christian? --[[User:Erkkimon|Erkkimon]] 20:48, 13 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Wearing all black as a teenager is suggestive of anti-Christian beliefs.  Other examples in this entry illustrate that.  I welcome more evidence, but am not going to play dumb amid [[liberal denial]] by others.&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Your entry that you link above takes a small step towards the truth, yet ignores how deadly anti-Christian animus is, and how many self-described atheists suffer from it.  It's not a mental illness, but a belief system that results from being misled.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:42, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Suggested addition ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18390116/detail.html] Derik A. Bonestroo, age 24.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Boulder Undersheriff Tom Shoemaker said, &amp;quot;The suspect ... fired a shot into the ceiling and yelled something about religion to the employees.”&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;He (the suspect) barged in and wanted to know who was a Christian and who wasn't a Christian,&amp;quot; said Sheriff Joe Pelle.&amp;quot; [[User:CCalloway|CCalloway]] 14:14, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: That's not even close to the level of the examples here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:34, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::He killed himself, a Catholic man, and a cat. That puts him above Asa Coon's kill count, and, depending on how you count the cat, above or equal to Kimveer Gill's kill count. [[User:CCalloway|CCalloway]] 14:59, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: We don't count cats as humans, and you're ignoring the huge disparity in numbers wounded.  Also, a working 24-year-old who is no longer a student is not considered &amp;quot;young&amp;quot;.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:01, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I didn't suggest you counted cats as humans. Asa Coon wounded four, Bonestroo wounded a deputy and killed a Catholic man. That's not that far out of scale. You've got one example of similar age on the page, and one that is three years older. Why are you so opposed to this entry? [[User:CCalloway|CCalloway]] 15:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::: Andy, just let him add that entry. He is factually correct, and your points contradict the rest of the article.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::: The suggested addition is not even close to the level of the current examples.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 07:54, 11 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possibly Unnecessary Column? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we need a column with the liberal response? While I am all for outing the liberals for their ignorance and hypocrisy, it seems a bit extraneous alongside this particular article. I must say, though, this article is extremely well done! I especially like the &amp;quot;beliefs&amp;quot; column. Where else can I find that? Not anywhere in the mainstream media! It's good to see that we care about the truth. [[User:Krazor|Krazor]] 13:33, 4 December 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thanks for pointing out the uniqueness of this entry.  But the extra column about &amp;quot;liberal response&amp;quot; is also informative, is it not?  It's an eye-opener as well.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 17:59, 4 December 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I must say, it truly is. Thank you for taking the time to respond, Mr. Schlafly! May God give you peace! [[User:Krazor|Krazor]] 20:46, 6 December 2009 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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'''''Archaeopteryx''''', an extinct [[bird]] known from a small number of [[fossil | fossils]], is considered by evolutionary biologists to be the first species of [[bird]] to appear on Earth.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Archaeopteryx is the oldest bird in the fossil record.&amp;quot; - John Wells [http://www.discovery.org/a/1106] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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''Archaeopteryx'' is sometimes presented as evidence of evolution because the bones have some characteristics reminiscent of [[reptile]]s, making it appear to be a so-called &amp;quot;[[transitional form]]&amp;quot; between reptiles and birds. &lt;br /&gt;
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There are two criticisms of the ''Archaeopteryx''.  One criticism is that the fossils are fraudulent. Another criticism is that ''Archaeopteryx'' existed but was a true bird and not a transitional form suggesting evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Specimens ==&lt;br /&gt;
There are currently ten known specimens of ''Archaeopteryx''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Wikipedia claims an eleventh specimen, but only lists ten.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
All have been found in the limestone of the Solnhofen area in Germany.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Magovern&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Speciman || When found || Location fount || People involved || Current location || Comments&lt;br /&gt;
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| Feather&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Nedlin, 1999 (The TalkOrigins Archive)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 1860 || Near Solnhofen || Described by H. von Meyer || Humboldt Museum für Naturkunde in [[Berlin]] || Single feather only.&lt;br /&gt;
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| London specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1861 || Near Langenaltheim || Announced by H. v Meyer || [[British Museum of Natural History]], [[London]] || Missing the head and neck&lt;br /&gt;
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| Berlin specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1877 || Near Blumenberg || Described by W. Dames || Humboldt Museum für Naturkunde || The most complete specimen&lt;br /&gt;
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| Maxberg specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1958 || Near Langenaltheim || Found and owned by Eduard Opitsch || Was in Maxberg Museum but now missing || Torso&lt;br /&gt;
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| Haarlem Specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1855 || Near Riedenburg || Described by H. von Meyer || Teylers Museum, [[Haarlem]] || Not classified as ''Archaeopteryx'' until 1970.  Not very complete&lt;br /&gt;
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| Eichstätt Specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1951 || Near Workerszell || Described by Peter Wellnhofer || Jura Museum, [[Eichstätt]] || Smallest specimen&lt;br /&gt;
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| Solnhofen Specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1960s || Near Eichstätt || Described by Wellnhofer || Bürgermeister-Müller-Museum in Solnhofen || Missing some pieces, but fairly complete&lt;br /&gt;
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| Munich specimen or Solnhofen-Aktien-Verein specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1991 || Near Langenaltheim || Described by Wellnhofer || Paläontologisches Museum München, [[Munich]] || First specimen to be found with an intact sternum, proving ''Archaeopteryx'' was capable of powered flight like modern birds&lt;br /&gt;
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| Thermopolis specimen&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Wyoming Dinosaur Center]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hartman, 2005&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || || || || Wyoming Dinosaur Center in Thermopolis, [[Wyoming]] || Had been privately owned in Switzerland&lt;br /&gt;
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==First criticism: fraud==&lt;br /&gt;
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In 1983, a half-dozen leading [[British]] scientists including [[Fred Hoyle|Sir Fred Hoyle]] carefully studied the two best ''Archaeopteryx'' specimens, front and back, and declared them to be fakes.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Sarfati, 2000&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  They discovered that the front and back slabs of each specimen do not match.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot;&amp;gt;British Journal of Photography (March-June 1985).&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;W.J. Broad, &amp;quot;Authenticity of Bird Fossil is Challenged,&amp;quot; N.Y. Times C1, C14 (May 7, 1985).&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;T. Nield, &amp;quot;Feathers Fly Over Fossil 'Fraud',&amp;quot; New Scientist 1467:49-50.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;G. Vines, &amp;quot;Strange Case of Archaeopteryx 'Fraud',&amp;quot; New Scientist 1447:3.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
They found that an alteration had been made to the left wing as depicted in an 1863 drawing.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
They concluded that the feather markings had been imprinted by hand.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
They also found that etching process had used cement blobs.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
When the scientists requested the ability to use an electronic microscope and carbon-14 dating, the museum refused and withdrew the specimens from the scientists.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The same [[British]] Museum had been responsible for the [[Piltdown Man]] fraud.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Nobel Prize]] committee punished Sir [[Fred Hoyle]] for exposing this fraud by passing him over and giving its award to his underling for work that Hoyle was the undisputed leader on.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Second criticism: not a transitional==&lt;br /&gt;
The second criticism of the ''Archaeopteryx'', that it is not a transitional form, has been strengthened by the work of anatomist Dr. David Menton&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/d_menton.asp&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; suggesting that ''Archaeopteryx'' is a true bird with flight feathers, not a transitional form at all.  In 1994, an article explained that the ''Archaeopteryx'' was essentially a flying bird, with a large [[cerebellum]] and [[visual cortex]]. The fact that it had teeth is irrelevant to its alleged transitional status -- a number of extinct birds had teeth, while many reptiles do not (the South American hoatzin, ''Opisthocomus hoazin'', also shares with ''Archaeopteryx'' clawed digits in its wings, albeit as juveniles). Furthermore, like other birds, both its maxilla (upper jaw) and mandible (lower jaw) moved. In most vertebrates, including reptiles, only the mandible moves.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;cw94&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Evidence for evolution? ==&lt;br /&gt;
In 1993, an article was published in ''Science'' magazine arguing that the ''Archaeopteryx'' had fully-formed flying feathers (including asymmetric vanes and ventral, reinforcing furrows as in modern flying birds), the classical elliptical wings of modem woodland birds, and a large wishbone for attachment of muscles responsible for the downstroke of the wings&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Feduccia, 1993&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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While most evolutionary scientists agree that the flight feathers of ''Archaeopteryx'' were essentially modern, several papers since have argued against Feduccia's claims about the anatomy of ''Archaeopteryx''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;The tenth skeletal specimen of Archaeopteryx,&amp;quot; ''Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society,'' 149:97-116, 2007.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Specimens such as the Thermoplis Specimen &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Wyoming Dinosaur Center.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; are thought to clearly show that the arms, wishbone, tail, feet, hips, and palate of ''Archaeopteryx'' were more like meat-eating theropod dinosaurs than modern birds.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The brain of ''Archaeopteryx'' was essentially that of a flying bird, with a large cerebellum and visual cortex.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;cw94&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Wieland, 1994&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Critics point out that its teeth are irrelevant to its alleged transitional status, as a number of extinct birds had teeth, while many reptiles do not.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;cw94&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Furthermore, like other birds, both its maxilla (upper jaw) and mandible (lower jaw) moved.&lt;br /&gt;
In most vertebrates, including many reptiles, only the mandible moves.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;cw94&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Bibliography ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Anon., [http://www.wyodino.org/research/?item=archaeopteryx ''Archaeopteryx'': The Thermopolis Specimen] The Wyoming Dinosaur Center&lt;br /&gt;
* Bakalar, Nicholas, [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1201_051201_archaeopteryx.html Earliest Bird Had Feet Like Dinosaur, Fossil Shows], National Geographic News, 1 December, 2005&lt;br /&gt;
* Feduccia, A., &amp;quot;Evidence from Claw Geometry Indicating Arboreal Habits of Archaeopteryx,&amp;quot; ''Science'', 259(5096):790-793, February 5, 1993 ([http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0036-8075%2819930205%293%3A259%3A5096%3C790%3AEFCGIA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-1 abstract])&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Duane Gish|Gish, Duane]], [http://www.icr.org/article/321/ As a Transitional Form Archaeopteryx Won't Fly] ''Impact'', September 1, 1989&lt;br /&gt;
* Hartman, Scott, [http://skeletaldrawing.com/Archaeopteryx/archaeo.htm Clarification statement on Thermopolis specimen] 1st December 2005 (The Wyoming Dinosaur Center).&lt;br /&gt;
* Magovern, Charlie and Florence, [http://www.stonecompany.com/fossils/casts/archaeopteryx/data.html Archaeopteryx]&lt;br /&gt;
* Nedlin, Chris, [http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html#specimens All About Archaeopteryx], 1999 (The TalkOrigins Archive)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jonathan Sarfati|Sarfati, Jonathan]], [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3653 Archaeopteryx (unlike Archaeoraptor) is NOT a hoax—it is a true bird, not a “missing link”], Creation Ministries International, March 24, 2000&lt;br /&gt;
* Sarfati, Jonathan, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3833/106/ Bird evolution?], Chapter 4 of ''Refuting Evolution''. &lt;br /&gt;
* [[Carl Wieland|Wieland, Carl]], [http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v1/i1/archaeopteryx.asp Archaeopteryx], ''Creation'' 1(1):12–16, June 1978.&lt;br /&gt;
* Wieland, Carl, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/909/ Bird evolution flies out the window], ''Creation'' 16(4):16–19, September 1994&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Feathered dinosaurs]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Evolution]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Extinct Animals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Birds]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Archaeopteryx</title>
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'''''Archaeopteryx''''', an extinct [[bird]] known from a small number of [[fossils | fossil]], is considered by evolutionary biologists to be the first species of [[bird]] to appear on Earth.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Archaeopteryx is the oldest bird in the fossil record.&amp;quot; - John Wells [http://www.discovery.org/a/1106] &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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''Archaeopteryx'' is sometimes presented as evidence of evolution because the bones have some characteristics reminiscent of [[reptile]]s, making it appear to be a so-called &amp;quot;[[transitional form]]&amp;quot; between reptiles and birds. &lt;br /&gt;
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There are two criticisms of the ''Archaeopteryx''.  One criticism is that the fossils are fraudulent. Another criticism is that ''Archaeopteryx'' existed but was a true bird and not a transitional form suggesting evolution.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Specimens ==&lt;br /&gt;
There are currently ten known specimens of ''Archaeopteryx''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Wikipedia claims an eleventh specimen, but only lists ten.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
All have been found in the limestone of the Solnhofen area in Germany.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Magovern&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{| class=&amp;quot;wikitable&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Speciman || When found || Location fount || People involved || Current location || Comments&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Feather&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Nedlin, 1999 (The TalkOrigins Archive)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || 1860 || Near Solnhofen || Described by H. von Meyer || Humboldt Museum für Naturkunde in [[Berlin]] || Single feather only.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| London specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1861 || Near Langenaltheim || Announced by H. v Meyer || [[British Museum of Natural History]], [[London]] || Missing the head and neck&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Berlin specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1877 || Near Blumenberg || Described by W. Dames || Humboldt Museum für Naturkunde || The most complete specimen&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Maxberg specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1958 || Near Langenaltheim || Found and owned by Eduard Opitsch || Was in Maxberg Museum but now missing || Torso&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Haarlem Specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1855 || Near Riedenburg || Described by H. von Meyer || Teylers Museum, [[Haarlem]] || Not classified as ''Archaeopteryx'' until 1970.  Not very complete&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Eichstätt Specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1951 || Near Workerszell || Described by Peter Wellnhofer || Jura Museum, [[Eichstätt]] || Smallest specimen&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Solnhofen Specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1960s || Near Eichstätt || Described by Wellnhofer || Bürgermeister-Müller-Museum in Solnhofen || Missing some pieces, but fairly complete&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| Munich specimen or Solnhofen-Aktien-Verein specimen&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CN&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;CFM&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; || 1991 || Near Langenaltheim || Described by Wellnhofer || Paläontologisches Museum München, [[Munich]] || First specimen to be found with an intact sternum, proving ''Archaeopteryx'' was capable of powered flight like modern birds&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| Thermopolis specimen&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Wyoming Dinosaur Center]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Hartman, 2005&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; || || || || Wyoming Dinosaur Center in Thermopolis, [[Wyoming]] || Had been privately owned in Switzerland&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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==First criticism: fraud==&lt;br /&gt;
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In 1983, a half-dozen leading [[British]] scientists including [[Fred Hoyle|Sir Fred Hoyle]] carefully studied the two best ''Archaeopteryx'' specimens, front and back, and declared them to be fakes.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Sarfati, 2000&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  They discovered that the front and back slabs of each specimen do not match.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot;&amp;gt;British Journal of Photography (March-June 1985).&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;W.J. Broad, &amp;quot;Authenticity of Bird Fossil is Challenged,&amp;quot; N.Y. Times C1, C14 (May 7, 1985).&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;T. Nield, &amp;quot;Feathers Fly Over Fossil 'Fraud',&amp;quot; New Scientist 1467:49-50.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;G. Vines, &amp;quot;Strange Case of Archaeopteryx 'Fraud',&amp;quot; New Scientist 1447:3.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
They found that an alteration had been made to the left wing as depicted in an 1863 drawing.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
They concluded that the feather markings had been imprinted by hand.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
They also found that etching process had used cement blobs.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
When the scientists requested the ability to use an electronic microscope and carbon-14 dating, the museum refused and withdrew the specimens from the scientists.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;four&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The same [[British]] Museum had been responsible for the [[Piltdown Man]] fraud.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Nobel Prize]] committee punished Sir [[Fred Hoyle]] for exposing this fraud by passing him over and giving its award to his underling for work that Hoyle was the undisputed leader on.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Second criticism: not a transitional==&lt;br /&gt;
The second criticism of the ''Archaeopteryx'', that it is not a transitional form, has been strengthened by the work of anatomist Dr. David Menton&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/d_menton.asp&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; suggesting that ''Archaeopteryx'' is a true bird with flight feathers, not a transitional form at all.  In 1994, an article explained that the ''Archaeopteryx'' was essentially a flying bird, with a large [[cerebellum]] and [[visual cortex]]. The fact that it had teeth is irrelevant to its alleged transitional status -- a number of extinct birds had teeth, while many reptiles do not (the South American hoatzin, ''Opisthocomus hoazin'', also shares with ''Archaeopteryx'' clawed digits in its wings, albeit as juveniles). Furthermore, like other birds, both its maxilla (upper jaw) and mandible (lower jaw) moved. In most vertebrates, including reptiles, only the mandible moves.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;cw94&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Evidence for evolution? ==&lt;br /&gt;
In 1993, an article was published in ''Science'' magazine arguing that the ''Archaeopteryx'' had fully-formed flying feathers (including asymmetric vanes and ventral, reinforcing furrows as in modern flying birds), the classical elliptical wings of modem woodland birds, and a large wishbone for attachment of muscles responsible for the downstroke of the wings&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Feduccia, 1993&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While most evolutionary scientists agree that the flight feathers of ''Archaeopteryx'' were essentially modern, several papers since have argued against Feduccia's claims about the anatomy of ''Archaeopteryx''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;The tenth skeletal specimen of Archaeopteryx,&amp;quot; ''Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society,'' 149:97-116, 2007.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  Specimens such as the Thermoplis Specimen &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Wyoming Dinosaur Center.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; are thought to clearly show that the arms, wishbone, tail, feet, hips, and palate of ''Archaeopteryx'' were more like meat-eating theropod dinosaurs than modern birds.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The brain of ''Archaeopteryx'' was essentially that of a flying bird, with a large cerebellum and visual cortex.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;cw94&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Wieland, 1994&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Critics point out that its teeth are irrelevant to its alleged transitional status, as a number of extinct birds had teeth, while many reptiles do not.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;cw94&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Furthermore, like other birds, both its maxilla (upper jaw) and mandible (lower jaw) moved.&lt;br /&gt;
In most vertebrates, including many reptiles, only the mandible moves.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;cw94&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Bibliography ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Anon., [http://www.wyodino.org/research/?item=archaeopteryx ''Archaeopteryx'': The Thermopolis Specimen] The Wyoming Dinosaur Center&lt;br /&gt;
* Bakalar, Nicholas, [http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1201_051201_archaeopteryx.html Earliest Bird Had Feet Like Dinosaur, Fossil Shows], National Geographic News, 1 December, 2005&lt;br /&gt;
* Feduccia, A., &amp;quot;Evidence from Claw Geometry Indicating Arboreal Habits of Archaeopteryx,&amp;quot; ''Science'', 259(5096):790-793, February 5, 1993 ([http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0036-8075%2819930205%293%3A259%3A5096%3C790%3AEFCGIA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-1 abstract])&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Duane Gish|Gish, Duane]], [http://www.icr.org/article/321/ As a Transitional Form Archaeopteryx Won't Fly] ''Impact'', September 1, 1989&lt;br /&gt;
* Hartman, Scott, [http://skeletaldrawing.com/Archaeopteryx/archaeo.htm Clarification statement on Thermopolis specimen] 1st December 2005 (The Wyoming Dinosaur Center).&lt;br /&gt;
* Magovern, Charlie and Florence, [http://www.stonecompany.com/fossils/casts/archaeopteryx/data.html Archaeopteryx]&lt;br /&gt;
* Nedlin, Chris, [http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html#specimens All About Archaeopteryx], 1999 (The TalkOrigins Archive)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jonathan Sarfati|Sarfati, Jonathan]], [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3653 Archaeopteryx (unlike Archaeoraptor) is NOT a hoax—it is a true bird, not a “missing link”], Creation Ministries International, March 24, 2000&lt;br /&gt;
* Sarfati, Jonathan, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3833/106/ Bird evolution?], Chapter 4 of ''Refuting Evolution''. &lt;br /&gt;
* [[Carl Wieland|Wieland, Carl]], [http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v1/i1/archaeopteryx.asp Archaeopteryx], ''Creation'' 1(1):12–16, June 1978.&lt;br /&gt;
* Wieland, Carl, [http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/909/ Bird evolution flies out the window], ''Creation'' 16(4):16–19, September 1994&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Feathered dinosaurs]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Evolution]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Extinct Animals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Birds]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Young_mass_murderers&amp;diff=726926</id>
		<title>Talk:Young mass murderers</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Krazor: /* Possibly Unnecessary Column? */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==&amp;quot;Mass Murder&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
This is a very strong term, and here, it seems to be used disturbingly broadly, so what's the exact definition? Does suicide count into the &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot;? Is somebody who kills himself and one other person a mass murderer? --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 15:21, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, apparently, &amp;quot;mass murder&amp;quot; now also means &amp;quot;wounding and intending to kill many people&amp;quot; since Andy reverted my edit. I won't bother to make additional edits to this. Already got a warning block for this (among other things, like the high crime of cleaning up Conservative's mess), so whatever. --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 16:55, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, the title is awkward, but we know what it means. I'm open to suggestions and can &amp;quot;move&amp;quot; the article to a new title if a better one can be found. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] &amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 17:00, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::&amp;quot;but we know what it means&amp;quot; - Ed, I'm glad that you (or Andy) weren't around when Britannica or other encyclopedias were looking for editors. Since this article is in the mainspace and thus a part of an ''encyclopedia'' (and since there is no article text giving this table any context), the headline has to be correct and not some wishy-washy &amp;quot;Yeah, I know it's wrong, but it sounds great!&amp;quot; placeholder.&lt;br /&gt;
:::I would vote for a move to Andy's userspace since the entire point of this &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;article&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; table is to give Andy a more convenient way of mocking liberals (&amp;quot;Liberal response: Poem comparing it to environmental harm&amp;quot; - Gosh, other people call that &amp;quot;victims trying to deal with a tragedy&amp;quot;, but hey, whatever works to make a cheap point!) and casting tragedies into a light that makes me doubt that the table is supposed to be more than satire (&amp;quot;Belief: wore black entirely&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Belief: targeted Christmas shoppers&amp;quot; - I feel like I'm reading The Onion.).&lt;br /&gt;
:::To be honest, I don't see much encyclopedic value in this table. Especially not in its current form with the columns and &amp;quot;beliefs&amp;quot; mentioned above. If we cut out the &amp;quot;Liberal response&amp;quot; column, clean up the last column, find all sorts of sources, and write an entire article around the table, then we could move it to &amp;quot;List of school shootings&amp;quot; or something (which in turn might be a candidate for a category instead of a dedicated article).&lt;br /&gt;
:::But that is somewhat like trying to rebuild a car when you just start with one damaged wheel: Sure, you could repair the wheel and then build a car around it, but why not just build a car in a more logical order (starting with a motor or chassis)?&lt;br /&gt;
:::Maybe move the table to some workbench outside the mainspace and see if people are dedicated enough to tinker with it. --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 17:35, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Jenkins, I didn't read through all of your long-winded comments above.  But as I said on your talk page, a Wiki is for ''adding'' and/or ''improving'' information, not deleting it. If you can improve, then do so, but don't delete information and serve the role of a censor.  Go to [[Wikipedia]] to do that, where censors delete [[conservative]] information daily.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:43, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Andy, why do you even reply when you didn't read my post? Words fail me. Not even going to bother replying to your completely messed-up idea of improving the wiki (&amp;quot;You must not remove information added by me, no matter how little it has to do with the title&amp;quot;). Oh, and thanks for blocking me for cleaning up the mess caused by one of your High Quality Editors and accusing me of censorship. That sure motivates me! --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 17:57, 7 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &amp;quot;wore black entirely,&amp;quot; ==&lt;br /&gt;
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ROUND UP THE NUNS!!!! I THINK SISTER MARY ELLEN IS PACKING HEAT!!!!!!&lt;br /&gt;
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What about ninjas?  They wear all black, and we know they're bad.  Black = evil.&lt;br /&gt;
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Does this make pirates the agents of the almighty? They ARE the Ninja's sworn enemy, after all...&lt;br /&gt;
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and Italian widows.&lt;br /&gt;
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equating black with evil makes nuns and ministers evil ? thats not correct. Does lead one to wonder why black was selected especially as Nuns are the brides of christ , maybe white is a real challange laundry wise.  [[User:Markr|Markr]] 13:50, 21 November 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Young mass murderers==&lt;br /&gt;
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What is the criteria?  Under 30?  Under 25?  And does a shooting in December qualify the murderer as anti-Christian? [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 09:17, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey, does one poem someone wrote on a blog really count as a response for all liberals?  Or just one person? [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 16:59, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: That was the official Virginia Tech poem.  It's probably somewhere on the Virginia Tech now, as it was after the tragedy.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:03, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: What is the cutoff for &amp;quot;young&amp;quot;?  It's the same definition as for anything else.  Still in school, or out of school and less than, say, 21.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:03, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::So then the VA Tech guy ''doesn't'' count then?  He was 23. [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 18:44, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Dude, where's your logic?  Of course the [[Virginia Tech killer]] satisfies the definition of &amp;quot;young&amp;quot;.  Please read it again, and apply logic this time.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:47, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::By your &amp;quot;logic&amp;quot;, [http://www.bsu.edu/news/article/0,1370,-1019-9169,00.html Constance Clark] would have been a &amp;quot;young mass murderer&amp;quot; if she had gone on a killing spree during her last university year (at age '''50'''). It somehow appears as if you're deliberately setting the goalposts to include all students while still pretending to only focus on young ones.&lt;br /&gt;
::::Do I regard a 23 old man as &amp;quot;young&amp;quot;? Not really. He's old enough to drink, drive and vote (just not in that order, please...), so calling him &amp;quot;young&amp;quot; is misleading. --[[User:Jenkins|Jenkins]] 19:54, 8 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==A Growing Problem?==&lt;br /&gt;
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Andy, you said on the Main Talk Page that, &amp;quot;''...this problem is growing: there were 4 mass murders...in 2007. How many will there be in 2008?''&amp;quot;  I'm afraid that's not accurate--there's been a fairly steady number of such incidents for at least a decade.  Googling &amp;quot;school shootings&amp;quot; will bring up various timelines going back years with much fodder for this article.  --[[User:RossC|RossC]] 14:23, 9 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It's certainly been growing since the mid 90s, though. There was a wave of school shootings in 1997-1999, and copycat incidents have happened since. I just wrote a paper for my college class using statistics from 1995, and the writers then were arguing that school violence was relatively rare. And it certainly wasn't as much of a threat in the 1970s. It's growing, even though there may be variance year to year. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 14:24, 9 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yes, absolutely.  I wonder, too, how much of the sense of a &amp;quot;growing&amp;quot; problem is a function of the greater availability of news via the Internet, which started hitting its stride in the mid-90s.  A lot of the &amp;quot;lesser&amp;quot; pre-Net incidents might be buried out of public attention in local papers.--[[User:RossC|RossC]] 14:57, 9 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: No, I think it is a growing problem.  I've heard the claims that it was constant or even declining from the 1970s (Vietnam Era) through Columbine (1999), but I think that's outdated now.  4+ big incidents in one year (2007), totaling 50 dead and many injured, plus numerous arrests including some yesterday for foiled attempts, is more than any time in 30 years, I think.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 15:12, 9 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Colorado killer ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Colorado killer does not meet the previous definition of young:  &amp;quot;Still in school, or out of school and less than, say, 21.&amp;quot;  Besides, he was a Christian-hater too.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:16, 10 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:A &amp;quot;very, very religious&amp;quot; Christian who hates Christians?  That's a new one on me.  The young man was clearly troubled, but I don't think you've shown that he hated Christians specifically, so much as he bore a grudge against the Missionary program from which he was ejected.  [[User:SSchultz|SSchultz]] 21:43, 10 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::The point was that he was homeschooled. When a Public Schooler goes on a mass killing spree its '''solely''' because he went to a public school. When a homeschooler goes on a killing spree its '''most certainly not''' because of his flawless education and values. [[User:MarcusCicero|MarcusCicero]] 21:50, 10 December 2007 (EST) P.S- Just above, you also say the V Tech killer meets the definition of young. At least attempt to find logical consistency.&lt;br /&gt;
==VT==&lt;br /&gt;
Saying that the VT poem merely compared the tragedy to environmental harm is disingenuous as it is a gross understatement - more should be added to that. Regardless however, the poem had no political motivations - it was logic - unless someone here thinks that elephants DESERVE to be massacred for ivory. &amp;quot;Damn those darn elephants -they cheat in a poker games&amp;quot;--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 22:03, 10 December 2007 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
==Asa Coon==&lt;br /&gt;
Why is Asa Coon on here? Since when is suicide mass murder?--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 09:59, 16 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Attempted murder ... 4 times, followed by killing himself, which is also a type of murder.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:06, 16 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Oh ok - sorry I missed the number of injured - my mistake.--&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[[User:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color: #FFCCCC; background: #660000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;I]][[User_talk:Iduan|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#CCCCFF; background:#000033&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Duan]]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; 14:01, 16 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm not a communist or anything but I really don't understand how you can class a suicide as mass murder. Surely if this is the case the list would be somewhat longer than eight entries. [[User:RedDog|RedDog]] 13:32, 16 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ummm...Mr. Schlafly? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Aschlafly reverted my edit about the latest one concerning public schools, and....may I ask why? It seemed a logical followup to what was said. --[[User:JMarks|JMarks]] 23:01, 9 June 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Reverts ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why were Jeff Weise and Kip Kinkell removed? '''[[user:FernoKlump|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#000066&amp;quot; &amp;gt;FernoKlump&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]'''&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User:FernoKlump/petition|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#bd2433&amp;quot; &amp;gt;Look at this petition!]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 12:55, 16 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Marc Lépine ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why does Aschlafly keep trying to remove Marc Lepine?--[[User:DamianSuarez|DamianSuarez]] 10:54, 31 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: As I stated clearly, Marc had been in the workforce and was not a &amp;quot;young mass murderer.&amp;quot;  Also, the description for his views is misleading because it lacks hsi religious background.  See, e.g., [http://www.volokh.com/posts/1142399687.shtml Volokh Blog].--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 11:17, 31 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::He was also still in school and is younger than another entry on this list. His views were that he hated feminism. How is this misleading? If you don't believe me, read his suicide note.--[[User:DamianSuarez|DamianSuarez]] 11:38, 31 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Forgive the mistakes, I had 15 minutes to write this. See also Annex.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;Would you note that if I commit suicide today 89-12-06 it is not for economic reasons (for I have waited until I exhausted all my financial means, even refusing jobs) but for political reasons. Because I have decided to send the feminists, who have always ruined my life, to their Maker. For seven years life has brought me no joy and being totally blasé, I have decided to put an end to those viragos.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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I tried in my youth to enter the Forces as an officer cadet, which would have allowed me possibly to get into the arsenal and precede Lortie in a raid. They refused me because antisocial (sic). I therefore had to wait until this day to execute my plans. In between, I continued my studies in a haphazard way for they never really interested me, knowing in advance my fate. Which did not prevent me from obtaining very good marks despite my theory of not handing in work and the lack of studying before exams.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if the Mad Killer epithet will be attributed to me by the media, I consider myself a rational erudite that only the arrival of the Grim Reaper has forced to take extreme acts. For why persevere to exist if it is only to please the government. Being rather backward-looking by nature (except for science), the feminists have always enraged me. They want to keep the advantages of women (e.g. cheaper insurance, extended maternity leave preceded by a preventative leave, etc.) while seizing for themselves those of men.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus it is an obvious truth that if the Olympic Games removed the Men-Women distinction, there would be Women only in the graceful events. So the feminists are not fighting to remove that barrier. They are so opportunistic they neglect to profit from the knowledge accumulated by men through the ages. They always try to misrepresent them every time they can. Thus, the other day, I heard they were honoring the Canadian men and women who fought at the frontline during the world wars. How can you explain then that women were not authorized to go to the frontline??? Will we hear of Caesar's female legions and female galley slaves who of course took up 50% of the ranks of history, though they never existed. A real Casus Belli.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Sorry for this too brief letter.&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Marc Lépine&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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::A list of names follows, with this note attached:--[[User:DamianSuarez|DamianSuarez]] 11:38, 31 July 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;blockquote&amp;gt;Nearly died today. The lack of time (because I started too late) has allowed these radical feminists to survive.&lt;br /&gt;
Alea Jacta Est.&amp;lt;/blockquote&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Rename?==&lt;br /&gt;
It seems to me this article needs to be renamed, without the &amp;quot;mass&amp;quot; in the title. Someone who murders one person (Kimveer Gill) or just himself (Asa Coon) can't really be said to be a &amp;quot;mass murderer&amp;quot; by any sense of the definition. Maybe &amp;quot;Attempted mass murderers&amp;quot; or just &amp;quot;murderers&amp;quot;, or some other adjective, for accuracy's sake. [[User:Fyezall|Fyezall]] 12:05, 26 August 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: perhaps just remove the few who didnt kill more than 1 ?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Teach Marksmanship ! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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My initial response to this article is probably going to seem bizarre but the death count and number wounded leads me to a professional condemnation of their marksmanship. If the intention was to kill rather than just create confusion then more injured than dead is inexcusable [[User:Markr|Markr]] 13:46, 21 November 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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I find that comment incredibly distasteful (not that i lost any friends in these attacks) but never the less, spare a thought for the parents and friends of the victims - would they like to hear that comment? (just my opinion - nothing personal) ---- [[Image:50 star flag.png|14px]] [[User:PhilipV|PhilipV]]&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User talk:PhilipV|'' I Support our Troops!'']]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 22:58, 31 December 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Tim Kretschmer was &amp;quot;indicative of anti-Christianity&amp;quot;? ==&lt;br /&gt;
In the article it is said that Tim Kretschmer was &amp;quot;indicative of anti-Christianity&amp;quot;. I haven't found any evidence for that proposition. I also asked for a reference but my edit was reverted. I guess that he was kind of atheist, but some reference would be appreciated. I have been actively looking for it but I haven't found. So to someone who doesn't have such a presupposition, it can be quite hard to believe without a reference. So if someone has a reference, please add it. --[[User:Erkkimon|Erkkimon]] 18:21, 13 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;I haven't found any evidence for that proposition&amp;quot; may mean you haven't yet opened your mind to it.  Atheists censor disclosure of the harm they cause, but that doesn't prevent the use of logic.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 20:22, 13 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::You're trying to say that I haven't opened my mind to a proposition that atheists are behind these mass murders? I'm not sure if I understood right. But if I did understand right, I want to tell you that I'm quite sure that Kretschmer is also an atheist, because I have analyzed the school mass murders in Finland quite deeply. [http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fapologetiikkawiki.org%2FKoulumassamurhat&amp;amp;sl=fi&amp;amp;tl=en This article] is mainly written by me and it should prove that I have opened my mind to the idea of mass murdering atheists. But you have to understand that we can't just guess. It doesn't prove anything. So I'll ask again. Is there any proof, that is not just a claim, that Tim Kretschmer was an atheist or naturalist or anti-semitist or anti-christian? --[[User:Erkkimon|Erkkimon]] 20:48, 13 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Wearing all black as a teenager is suggestive of anti-Christian beliefs.  Other examples in this entry illustrate that.  I welcome more evidence, but am not going to play dumb amid [[liberal denial]] by others.&lt;br /&gt;
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::: Your entry that you link above takes a small step towards the truth, yet ignores how deadly anti-Christian animus is, and how many self-described atheists suffer from it.  It's not a mental illness, but a belief system that results from being misled.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:42, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Suggested addition ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/18390116/detail.html] Derik A. Bonestroo, age 24.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Boulder Undersheriff Tom Shoemaker said, &amp;quot;The suspect ... fired a shot into the ceiling and yelled something about religion to the employees.”&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;He (the suspect) barged in and wanted to know who was a Christian and who wasn't a Christian,&amp;quot; said Sheriff Joe Pelle.&amp;quot; [[User:CCalloway|CCalloway]] 14:14, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: That's not even close to the level of the examples here.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 14:34, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::He killed himself, a Catholic man, and a cat. That puts him above Asa Coon's kill count, and, depending on how you count the cat, above or equal to Kimveer Gill's kill count. [[User:CCalloway|CCalloway]] 14:59, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: We don't count cats as humans, and you're ignoring the huge disparity in numbers wounded.  Also, a working 24-year-old who is no longer a student is not considered &amp;quot;young&amp;quot;.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 15:01, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::: I didn't suggest you counted cats as humans. Asa Coon wounded four, Bonestroo wounded a deputy and killed a Catholic man. That's not that far out of scale. You've got one example of similar age on the page, and one that is three years older. Why are you so opposed to this entry? [[User:CCalloway|CCalloway]] 15:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::: Andy, just let him add that entry. He is factually correct, and your points contradict the rest of the article.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::: The suggested addition is not even close to the level of the current examples.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 07:54, 11 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Possibly Unnecessary Column? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we need a column with the liberal response? While I am all for outing the liberals for their ignorance and hypocrisy, it seems a bit extraneous alongside this particular article. I must say, though, this article is extremely well done! I especially like the &amp;quot;beliefs&amp;quot; column. Where else can I find that? Not anywhere in the mainstream media! It's good to see that we care about the truth. [[User:Krazor|Krazor]] 13:33, 4 December 2009 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;'''Hollywood values''' are characterized by decadence, [[narcissism]], rampant [[drug|drug use]], [[adultery|extramarital sex]] leading to the spread of sexually-transmitted [[disease]], lawlessness and death.  A poll by MSNBC said that 60% of [[Americans]] agree that &amp;quot;Hollywood's values are not in line with the rest of America and that the quality of movies has diminished in recent years.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11714540/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The lack of [[morals]] and [[values]] in [[Hollywood]] culture has been destroying the fabric of American culture, particularly the family.&lt;br /&gt;
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There have been, however, a handful of prominent people whose work in Hollywood opposed these values. [[Ronald Reagan]], [[James Stewart]], [[Charlton Heston]], [[Walt Disney]] and many others practiced conservative values while working in Hollywood and the productions of these and many others also reflect these values, irrespective of the star names associated with them: [[The Chronicles of Narnia]] and [[Independence Day]] being recent examples.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hollywood values include a flagrant disrespect and disregard for:&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[marriage]] and [[abstinence]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[patriotism]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[religion]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[accountability]]&lt;br /&gt;
* family responsibilities, like childrearing&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Britney Spears]] &amp;quot;doesn't want [her] kids back.&amp;quot; [http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132008/news/nationalnews/brit_doesnt_want_her_kids__1st_ex_97425.htm]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* laws that apply to everyone else&lt;br /&gt;
* Commonly accepted behavioural boundaries and values of human decency&lt;br /&gt;
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==Deaths ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hollywood values are deadly.  Some examples include:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=4174733&amp;amp;page=1&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18845.aspx&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[John Barrymore]], 60, cirrhosis of the liver from heavy drinking&lt;br /&gt;
*[[John Belushi]], 33, was a repeated drug abuser who ultimately died of a lethal injection of cocaine and heroin&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Clara Blandick]], 81, suicide&lt;br /&gt;
*[[John Bonham]], 32, after too much drinking, asphyxiated on vomit&lt;br /&gt;
*[[David Carradine]], 72, died from suffocation most likely suicide, had history of suicidal thoughts, alcohol and narcotics abuse &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525177,00.html Thai Police: Carradine Death May Be Accidental Suffocation] Fox News, June 05, 2009 &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stephen Clark]], 30, Def Leppard guitarist, drug and alcohol overdose&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1108020/bio&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kurt Cobain]], 27, lead singer from the band Nirvana, a heroin addict who committed suicide with a shotgun blast to the head.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ray Combs]], 40, host of the TV game show Family Feud committed suicide by hanging himself in a psychiatric ward.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[John Costelloe]], 47, actor from HBO's The Sopranos known as &amp;quot;Johnny Cakes&amp;quot;, shot himself in the head. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472864,00.html 'Sopranos' Actor Shocks Fans, Loved Ones With Holiday Suicide] NYPost, December 25, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Karl Dane]], 47, suicide by gunshot&lt;br /&gt;
*[[James Dean]], 24, auto accident (see also crime, below)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Eazy-E]], 31. [[AIDS]] contracted through drug use.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Brian Epstein]], 32, overdosed on sleeping pills and alcohol&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris Farley]], 33, overdose of morphine and cocaine&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Judy Garland]], 47, overdosed on sleeping pills&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Lee Grivas]], 26, the on-again, off-again boyfriend of actress Christina Applegate, 36, was found dead of an apparent drug overdose&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.bloggernews.net/116552a&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Margaux Hemingway]], 42, suicide&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Jimi Hendrix]], 27, an enthusiastic abuser of illegal drugs, choked on his own vomit after overdose of sleeping pills.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Rock Hudson]], 59, AIDS&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Michael Hutchence]], 37, asphyxiated during an auto-erotic act while alone in a Sydney hotel. His wife, Paula Yates (see below), also fell victim to Hollywood Values.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Richard Jeni]], 49, suicide&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258231,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Janis Joplin]], 27, heroin overdose&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Heath Ledger]], 28, found dead in his [[Manhattan]] apartment. &amp;quot;Prescription sleeping pills and anti-anxiety pills were found in bottles in Ledger's bedroom and bathroom, and police have speculated the death was caused by an accidental drug overdose.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_en_ce/obit_ledger&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Ledger died of an accidental overdose of painkillers, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety medication and other prescription drugs, the New York City medical examiner said Wednesday.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328828,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bruce Lee]] (Li Xiaolong), actor, 33, collapsed and died; trace amounts of cannabis found in bloodstream at postmortem; the official cause of death was acute cerebral edema (swelling of the brain) from hypersensitivity to aspirin.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stuart Lubbock]], 31, found dead in the swimming pool of popular TV entertainer [[Michael Barrymore]], having suffered severe anal trauma, after a drug-fueled party at the star's home &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Queen (band)|Freddy Mercury]], 45, born Farrokh Bulsara, lead singer of the band Queen, died from AIDS-related bronchial pneumonia.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sal Mineo]], 37, murdered under circumstances that suggested &amp;quot;a homosexual motive&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Marilyn Monroe]], 36, overdosed on sleeping pills&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Keith Moon]], drummer of [[The Who]], 32, overdose of Clomethiazole prescribed to treat his [[alcoholism]].&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Jim Morrison]], 27, died of an apparent heroin overdose&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris Penn]], 40, brother of [[Sean Penn]], &amp;quot;died accidentally from an enlarged heart and the effects of a mix of multiple medications&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/02/13/entertainment/e162146S51.DTL&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[River Phoenix]], 23, died from an overdose of cocaine and heroin&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dana Plato]], 34, ''Diff'rent Strokes'' star, suicide by drugs overdose after posing for lesbian pornography.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Elvis Presley]], 42, large drug intake causes a cardiac arrhythmia and rumored to have suffocated on the carpet when he collapsed from a drug overdose.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Virginia Rappe]], 30, died of a ruptured bladder incurred at a party hosted by [[Roscoe Arbuckle]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Brad Renfro]], 25, became addicted to heroin and was found dead after a night of drinking&lt;br /&gt;
*[[George Reeves]], 45, played Superman from the series Adventures of Superman, suicide by gunshot&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Anna Nicole Smith]], 39, accidental overdose on prescription drugs&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sharon Tate]], 26, an actress with a [[hippie]] lifestyle who was murdered by followers of [[Charles Manson]], a [[Beatles]]-obsessed musician wannabee; Manson's followers murdered Tate, who was pregnant and only two weeks from birth, her unborn child, her prior lover, who was staying with her while her husband, movie producer [[Roman Polanski]] (see 'Crime', below), was away, and another unmarried couple staying in the house.  (It is believed that Manson had actually intended his followers to kill the home's previous residents, [[Terry Melcher]] (son of [[Doris Day]]) and [[Candice Bergen]].) &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Polanski Problem [http://moviegeeksclub.blogspot.com/2008/04/polanski-problem.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Sharon Tate Official Site: Sharon's Biography [http://www.sharontate.net/bio4.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Lou Tellegen]], 52, suicide&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sid Vicious]], 21. [[Heroin]] overdose while awaiting trial for his girlfriend's murder.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kenneth Williams]], 62, overdose.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Natalie Wood]], 43. Drowned while intoxicated.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Paula Yates]], 41, heroin overdose.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Layne Staley]], 34, found dead in apartment two weeks after a drug overdose.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/staley1.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Layne promoted the use of hard drugs in the 1992 [[Alice in Chains]] song &amp;quot;Junkhead&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/alice+in+chains/junkhead_20005869.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sexually Transmitted Diseases==&lt;br /&gt;
The loose sexual morals characteristic of the lifestyle defined by Hollywood Values often lead to sexually transmitted diseases.  Examples include,&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Rock Hudson]] died of AIDS-related complications after contracting the disease through homosexual intercourse.&lt;br /&gt;
* Freddie Mercury of the rock group [[Queen (band)|Queen]], notorious for his flamboyant onstage presence, also contracted AIDS through his wildly promiscuous homosexual lifestyle, and subsequently perished of the self-inflicted condition.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crime ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hollywood values often include being arrested or convicted for a variety of crimes.  Here are some examples:&lt;br /&gt;
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* Actress Lori Petty, who was featured in &amp;quot;Free Willy&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;A League of their Own&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Free Willy,&amp;quot; ran into a 14-year-old skateboarder and was arrested for felony drunk driving charges.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7015343906&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Craig Phillip Robinson, the actor famous for playing Darryl Philbin on NBC's &amp;quot;The Office,&amp;quot; &amp;quot;was arrested on June 29, 2008, on suspicion of possessing MDMA, also known as ecstasy, and methamphetamine.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/15/office.actor.arrested.ap/index.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Winona Ryder]] was convicted of convicted of vandalism and grand theft for stealing designer merchandise worth $5,560.40.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.courttv.com/trials/ryder/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[O.J. Simpson]] is widely believed to have murdered his wife and her friend, and was found liable in a civil (but not criminal) trial.  He has since been convicted of unrelated felonies.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Paris Hilton]] was convicted of driving while intoxicated, and then violated the terms of her probation, leading to a 45-day prison sentence.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18472845/ Paris Hilton sentenced to 45 days in jail], MSNBC, May 4, 2007&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Hugh Grant]] was arrested in 1995 when found in a car with a prostitute.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.mugshots.org/hollywood/hugh-grant.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stacy Keach]], movie actor, was sentenced to 9 months imprisonment in the [[United Kingdom]] in 1984 after being arrested at [[London]] [[Heathrow Airport]] in possession of a large quantity of [[cocaine]].&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kiefer Sutherland]] was given a 48-day sentence for DUI in 2007, an offense committed while still on probation following a 2004 conviction for DUI.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Sutherland is released from jail [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7200633.stm BBC]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[George Michael]] was convicted of &amp;quot;Committing a lewd act in public&amp;quot;, having been arrested in a public restroom by a plain clothes police officer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Police confirm George Michael arrest [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/75904.stmBBC]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Arrested in September 2008 in a [[London]] public lavatory, he was found in possession of crack cocaine and cannabis - but merely received a caution. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKLL28201720080921&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Snoop Dogg]], a popular [[rap|rapper]], was arrested in 2006 for [[marijuana]] possession.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Roman Polanski]], Polish-born film producer, is unable to return to Hollywood as he skipped bail and fled to [[France]] after being convicted in 1978 on charges of unlawful sexual intercourse with a thirteen-year old girl.&lt;br /&gt;
* Rapper DMX (Earl Simmons) was caught on camera drag racing at a speed over 110 miles on a freeway, and then a SWAT team was used to arrest him three days later on drug and animal cruelty charges.  &amp;quot;The Maricopa County sheriff's office says the 37-year-old, whose real name is Earl Simmons, at first tried to barricade himself in his bedroom. He came out as a SWAT team entered during the early-morning raid Friday.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.aol.com/entertainment/music/music-news-story/ar/_a/dmx-arrested-on-animal-cruelty-charges/20080509163709990001&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Tatum O'Neal]] arrested in 2008 for [[cocaine]] possession. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361361,00.html Tatum O'Neal Released After Drug Arrest], [[Associated Press]], ''[[Fox News Channel|Fox News]]'', June 02, 2008.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[James Dean]] displayed an unhealthy interest in a twelve-year-old boy. His former director Elia Kazan later commented: &amp;quot;I've known many actors who have been twisted up in their sex lives, but never anybody as sick and unhealthy as Dean was.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*Redmond O'Neal, son of Farrah Fawcett and Ryan O'Neal, plead guilty to possessing heroine and methamphetamine as well as driving under the influence of drugs.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_en_ot/people_redmond_o_neal;_ylt=AiQCBwpJpxqBOFWVyqEycXsDW7oF Redmond O'Neal pleads guilty to drug charges&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Actor]] Nick Nolte was arrested for drunk driving in 2002&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/nolte1.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sean Bean]] was arrested and spent the night in a cell after allegedly beating his wife.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hR3pX0eEytJcMo7m5LRLHOYpasSA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Shelley Malil]], 43, worked as an actor in [[movies]] and television. He is charged with causing great bodily injury and using a deadly weapon on Kendra Beebe, a 35-year-old [[mother]] of two. He appeared on the back patio of Kendra's house and stabbed her 20 times. Now held on a $10 million dollar bond. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug13/0,4670,ActorArrested,00.html 40-Year-Old Virgin' actor pleads not guilty] AP, August 13, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Former Power Rangers actor [[Skylar Deleon]], will have three separate trials for four murders. The first trial is set for the murder of Tom and Jackie Hawks, who were allegedly bound to the anchor of their yacht and tossed overboard. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,433765,00.html 'Power Rangers' Actor Set to Stand Trial in Yacht Killings] AP, October 7, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  he was sentenced to death for committing murder.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&amp;amp;SubSectionID=1&amp;amp;ArticleID=66850&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Musician George O'Dowd, better known by his stage name, [[Boy George]], has been convicted (and will likely go to prison) for handcuffing a male escort to a bed against his will and then beating him with a chain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1092168/Guilty-Boy-George-warned-judge-faces-jail-falsely-imprisoning-male-escort.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Earlier he had been convicted of cocaine possession.&lt;br /&gt;
*Dana Plato was arrested for armed robbery and prescription forgery.&lt;br /&gt;
*Todd Bridges assaulted a motorist and was repeatedly arrested for drug-related offenses.&lt;br /&gt;
*Gary Coleman was arrested for assaulting a woman by punching her in the face.&lt;br /&gt;
*Musician/Producer [[Phil Spector]] was found guilty of second-degree murder for the shooting death of actress Lana Clarkson. He could be jailed for up to 18 years. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30194936/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Kiefer Sutherland, Fox television's &amp;quot;24&amp;quot; star was charged with misdemeanor assault for allegedly head-butting a fashion designer at a nightclub. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47880 ‘24’ Star Kiefer Sutherland Charged for Allegedly Head-Butting a Fashion Designer] Associated Press, May 8, 2009&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Falsehoods ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Hollywood values]] perpetuates [[liberal]]-driven [[Essay:Liberal Falsehoods|falsehoods]]:&lt;br /&gt;
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*Matthew Shepard Fallacy&lt;br /&gt;
:Adherents to Hollywood values &amp;quot;green-lighted a troika of [[Matthew Shepard]] movies after he was senselessly killed because it affirmed their gut feeling that a gay young man living in backward America is destined for death at the hands of hateful ultraconservatives. A street in West Hollywood still stands in his name despite ABC News reporting the story false: He was killed by crazed meth addicts for drugs and money -- not because he was gay. Isn't that tragic enough?  Yet Shepard is still the icon of gay victims' rights, and the mistaken story of his 'fate' soon thereafter befell Jake Gyllenhaal's character in 'Brokeback Mountain.' The Oscar statuette stands as the exclamation point.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dustup26sep26,0,1800794,full.story&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Inherit the Wind]] &lt;br /&gt;
:Hollywood perpetuated complete lies about the [[Scopes Trial]] in order to smear Christianity, including:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:*portraying [[William Jennings Bryan]] as being ignorant, harsh and punitive, based on a false portrayal of his actions and testimony&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:*falsely claiming that at the end Bryan, in a senseless fit of madness, died in the courtroom amid caring and reasonable Darwinists&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:*falsely portraying the Darwinists in a positive light and the Christians as deceitful&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:In real life, Bryan and the Christians won the trial and were charitable to the end, while the Darwinist Darrow was deceitful in reneging on his deal to take the witness stand after Bryan did.&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[U 571]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 2000 film [[U 571]] had a plot which was based on the first capture of a German Enigma machine in [[World War 2]].  However, in the film the capture is made by Americans.  In fact the first Enigma machine was captured by the British in 1941 prior to the Americans entering the war.&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Recount]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 2008 [[HBO]] movie on the 2000 Presidential elections and its aftermath in Florida. A look into how the [[Republicans]] stole the election and the role of its party members that made it happen. Republicans are portrayed as ghoulish and cited as manufacturing demonstrations. Both the real Warren Christopher and James Baker contend the film’s portrayal of the former is hopelessly untrue. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/hbos-recount-hanging-chads-and-black-humor/ HBO’s Recount: Hanging Chads, Black Humor] The Washington Times, May 4, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Winter Soldiers]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 1972 film about U.S. troops from Vietnam put on record as baby killers, human rights violators, and general disservice to America. This myth was propagated by a few anti-war activist liberal actors that never did see combat in [[Vietnam]] and some were never in the country. The initial result was to hold hearings in Congress over the matter. All allegations were proven fabrications, falsehoods, and lies.&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[An Inconvenient Truth]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 2006 false documentary about man-made [[global warming]] created &amp;amp; hyped by [[Al Gore]]. A [[British]] court found the film contained at least [http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming#Al_Gore.27s_.22Inconvenient_Truth.22_Movie_Claims 11 material falsehoods]. The Science and Public Policy Institute has found 35 falsehoods associated with the film. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html 35 Inconvenient Truths, Science and Public Policy Institute]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Fahrenheit 911]]&lt;br /&gt;
:A [[Michael Moore]] film that was a false portrayal of why America fought a war against [[Saddam Hussein]]'s Iraq. The main theme was to attack [[George W. Bush]] during wartime.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Disrespect for marriage==&lt;br /&gt;
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Many celebrities and other exponents of Hollywood Values have no respect for the sanctity of marriage - their own or anyone else's. This is manifested in a high rate of marriage breakdown, and by the home-wrecking activities of the promiscuous, whose moral outlooks have been distorted by Liberal and atheistic teachings.&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Elizabeth Taylor]] has been married eight (8) times, including a nearly 6-year marriage to [[John Warner|Senator John Warner]] (R-VA).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000072/bio&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Valerie Bertinelli]] said her divorce from [[Eddie Van Halen]] was caused by infidelity and drug use - by her too. She said she was &amp;quot;destroying my body,&amp;quot; trying to keep up with a rock-star lifestyle. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332551,00.html Valerie Bertinelli About Divorce From Eddie Van Halen: 'I Wasn't An Angel Either'], [[Fox News Channel]], ''[[Associated Press]]'', February 26, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] has been married nine (9) times.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Mickey Rooney]] has been married eight (8) times, but has been with his last wife for 30 years after embracing religion and abandoning his previous lifestyle.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Charlie Chaplin]] married four (4) times, including his marriage at the age of 54 to an 18-year-old bride.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Johnny Carson]] married four (4) times, and frequently made light of his having divorced three times, as if this were something funny.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Offensive Behavior ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* Trashing hotel rooms is a favorite form of offensive behavior by Hollywood types.  Many examples are readily available on the [[internet]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;See, e.g., [http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122101034.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Mel Gibson]], who had started drinking again, was arrested after being stopped for driving at 84 mph in a 45 mph zone on a notoriously dangerous road in Malibu, California.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;''Mel Gibson apologizes after DUI arrest'' [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14080210/ Associated Press]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; A breathalyzer test confirmed he was drunk and next to him was an open bottle of Tequila; after being arrested he hurled Anti-Semitic abuse at a Jewish police officer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2292336,00.html Mel Gibson rants against Jews in drink-drive arrest], Times Online, July 30, 2006&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*The parents of [[Miley Cyrus]], just 15 years old, allowed [[Annie Liebowitz]] to pose the starlet without a shirt or bra (nominally [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/topless &amp;quot;topless&amp;quot;]) and with just a sheet covering her front for Vanity Fair magazine.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/media/28hannah.html?_r=1&amp;amp;oref=slogin&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20195785,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23608789-5001026,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;quot;I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed,&amp;quot; Cyrus said Sunday in a statement through her publicist. &amp;quot;I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;quot;... a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines,&amp;quot; a network statement said. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Many Hollywood stars who have purposely sought fame have then turned upon photographers and fans. [[Sean Penn]] is well known to lash out at photographers.&lt;br /&gt;
*The parents of 16-year old Jamie Lynn Spears allowing her unwed pregnancy to be publicly portrayed as a normal act even though she is a role model for millions of underage teenagers. Mayor of Gloucester, Carolyn Kirk recently blamed the glamorizing of teen pregnancy by Jamie Lynn Spears for the 17 high school teenagers that got pregnant at the same time. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/06/gloucester_mayo.html Gloucester mayor rebuts report of teen pregnancy pact], June 23, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Despite an upcoming ballot initiative to remove gay marriage from California law, [[Ellen DeGeneres]] proudly displays her [[gay]] sexuality for all to see. On August 16, 2008, DeGeneres &amp;quot;married&amp;quot; Portia de Rossi in a small ceremony in Beverly Hills. Fox News called it &amp;quot;the biggest celebrity union since California legalized same-sex marriage.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405085,00.html Reports: Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi Wed] AP, August 17, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Now, her fans and millions of young girls can read about her gay marriage in magazines such as People and Us Magazine, hear about it on celebrity news television shows.&lt;br /&gt;
*Rapper [[Kanye West]] and bodyguard attacked the paparazzi at [[LAX]] airport and allegedly smashed a camera on the floor valued at $10,000. The pair were arrested for felony vandalism. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420869,00.html Kanye West Arrested in Altercation With Paparazzi] Ap, September 11, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Heather Locklear]] was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence of a controlled substance. The officer noticed Locklear's car parked on a state highway and blocking a lane in Montecito, Ca. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429388,00.html Heather Locklear Arrested on Suspicion of DUI] AP, September 29, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rehab ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hollywood values often result in [[Celebrity|celebrities]] going into rehab. Here are some examples:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kirsten Dunst]] checked into the [[Cirque Lodge]] treatment facility in [[Utah]] after a week of hard partying at the [[Sundance Film Festival]], according to a source at the lodge, although the lodge's director of operations denies this. &amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;foxkirsten&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329545,00.html Reports Say Kirsten Dunst in Rehab; Rep for Facility Denies It], ''[[Fox News]]'', February 08, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The following all checked into the above facility seeking treatment for various psychological problems:&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Lindsay Lohan]]&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;foxkirsten&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Eva Mendes]]&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;foxkirsten&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Mary-Kate Olsen]]&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;foxkirsten&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The following have checked into a different facilities for psychological problems:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Heather Locklear]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;A spokeswoman for the 47-year-old star said: 'Heather has been dealing with anxiety and depression.'&amp;quot;  She &amp;quot;checked into a clinic in [[Arizona]] that treats depression.&amp;quot;[http://www.pnas.org/content/101/11/3721.full]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[David Duchovny]], having boosted Hollywood Values through his role in a decadent television series, now finds himself trapped by the depravity that he promoted, and has had to enter rehab for his addiction to unchastity&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2835847820080829&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hypocrisy ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hollywood personalities often propose legislation such as outlawing private gun ownership, or speak out against things such as anti-gun laws, but have at the same time acted in movies contrary to their public opinions: &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[George Clooney]] on hearing that fellow actor and gun-rights advocate, [[Charlton Heston]], suffers from Alzheimer's disease, said: ''&amp;quot;I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the [[National Rifle Association]]. He deserves whatever anyone says about him.&amp;quot;''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.funnyreign.com/quotes-georgeclooney.shtml&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Clooney starred in the film ''The Peacemaker'', in which he played an American military man defending the country from a nuclear attack; scenes in the film showed him using a gun to defend himself and others.   &lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Mark Wahlberg]] upon meeting Charlton Heston on the set of the remake of ''Planet of the Apes'', Wahlberg rudely told Heston, &amp;quot;It was very disturbing meeting you.&amp;quot; Later, Wahlberg would have this to say at the MTV Movie Awards: ''&amp;quot;I believe Charlton Heston is America's best villain because he loves guns so much. Maybe he should get the award for being president of the National Rifle Association.&amp;quot;''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2360&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wahlberg's character in ''Planet of the Apes'' uses a gun to defend himself and other humans from the apes who would rule over them.&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Helen Mirren]] played Queen Elizabeth II in a movie 'The Queen', but [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414361,00.html admits she used to use cocaine and was date-raped] as a result of her poor life choices as a younger woman.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Moral depravity==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Woody Allen]] seduced and took pornographic photographs of the youthful daughter of his then girlfriend [[Mia Farrow]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Using appearances to promote their [[liberal]] political views==&lt;br /&gt;
*Rapper Kanye West infamously went way off script during a live benefit concert for victims of Hurricane Katrina, criticizing the media's treatment of images of black and white people and saying President [[George W. Bush]] &amp;quot;doesn't care about black people.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090300165.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*During the live broadcast of the 2007 Emmy Awards, actress Sally Field went on a sputtering anti-war rant, eventually concluding by saying, &amp;quot;If the mothers ruled the world, there would be no g**d*** war in the first place.&amp;quot;  She received thunderous applause from the Hollywood audience for her vulgar remark.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=3610891&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Michael Moore]] surprised no one by criticizing President Bush during his 2003 Oscar acceptance speech for &amp;quot;Bowling for Columbine,&amp;quot; saying, &amp;quot;We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts. We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush. Shame on you.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20030323-2028-oscars-moore.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Actress Jessica Lange verbally attacked President Bush and the Iraq War during a 2008 commencement speech at Sarah Lawrence College in Yonkers, New York, stating, &amp;quot;We are living in an America that, in the last seven and a half years, has waged an unnecessary war, established prison camps, condoned torture, employed corporate armies, eliminated the right of habeas corpus, practiced extraordinary rendition, and believe me, this is only a partial list.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://cbs5.com/politics/Jessica.Lange.President.2.732264.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Actress Megan Fox was recently quoted by MSN in a piece entitled &amp;quot;The Wit and Wisdom of Megan Fox&amp;quot; discussing her new movie Transformers 2. She said &amp;quot;why not just take out all of the white trash, hillbilly, anti-gay, super bible-beating people in Middle America?” &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.onenewsnow.com/Blog/Default.aspx?id=559876 Megan Fox would barter using ‘Bible-beating white trash’]OneNewsNow.com&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vanity and [[Idol]] Worship==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Hollywood]] places a value on appearance and it is driven into the minds of those who they seek profits and adulation from. There is such the need to be rich and famous that anything goes. It may be glamorizing to reveal skin or shamelessly being sex symbols to audiences. Pat-your-back awards ceremonies whereby we breathlessly await the ''Stars'' to arrive. Naturally, scandals make big headlines and these people are no stranger to controversy, for [[money]]. These fake [[Gods]] have captured the hearts of millions upon millions who follow their every move. Negative stereotypes poison the minds of their followers. Women feel less worthy due to the overwhelming influence touching every part of society. Penn State's Media Research found the following regarding Women's magazines, &amp;quot;Past research indicates that exposure to thin models results in lower [[self-esteem]] and decreased weight satisfaction, and to increased depression, guilt, shame, [[stress]], insecurity and body dissatisfaction.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.psu.edu/dept/medialab/research/selfworth.html Construction of Beauty as a Measure of Self-Worth] Penn State Media Research&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Preying on Underage Stars==&lt;br /&gt;
Debbie Gibson reflects on her life as a sixteen-year-old teenage Pop star and her exposure to the very sinister side of show business. “It is very disheartening that there are so many older men that prey on young performers.”  What is even more disturbing than dirty male fans would be older male record executives trying to take her to adult parties, corrupt her with alcohol. Even the way the paparazzi stalk the younger artists is very different from following around adults. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533542,00.html?test=faces Debbie Gibson Speaks Out About Pedophile Fans Wanting to 'Corrupt Little Girls' Fox News, July 17, 2009]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Productions==&lt;br /&gt;
The diseased moral values of the Liberal-dominated entertainments industry are manifested all too clearly in many of the products of that industry - motion pictures and television programmes that offer no edification or instruction to the viewer, but plumb a cess-pit of license and depravity. Some recent examples include the television series ''Desperate Housewives'' and the TV series/movie ''[[Sex and the City]]''.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Books==&lt;br /&gt;
* ''Hollywood Against America''&lt;br /&gt;
* ''Hollywood Babylon'' (1965) by Kenneth Anger (US edition)&lt;br /&gt;
* ''Hollywood Babylon II'' (1984) by Kenneth Anger&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Supermodel]]s&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Gallery of American Heroes]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[World Famous Pictures]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''Hollywood values''' are characterized by decadence, [[narcissism]], rampant [[drug|drug use]], [[adultery|extramarital sex]] leading to the spread of sexually-transmitted [[disease]], lawlessness and death.  A poll by MSNBC said that 60% of [[Americans]] agree that &amp;quot;Hollywood's values are not in line with the rest of America and that the quality of movies has diminished in recent years.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11714540/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The lack of [[morals]] and [[values]] in [[Hollywood]] culture has been destroying the fabric of American culture, particularly the family.&lt;br /&gt;
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There have been, however, a handful of prominent people whose work in Hollywood opposed these values. [[Ronald Reagan]], [[James Stewart]], [[Charlton Heston]], [[Walt Disney]] and many others practiced conservative values while working in Hollywood and the productions of these and many others also reflect these values, irrespective of the star names associated with them: [[The Chronicles of Narnia]] and [[Independence Day]] being recent examples.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hollywood values include a flagrant disrespect and disregard for:&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[marriage]] and [[abstinence]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[patriotism]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[religion]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[accountability]]&lt;br /&gt;
* family responsibilities, like childrearing&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Britney Spears]] &amp;quot;doesn't want [her] kids back.&amp;quot; [http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132008/news/nationalnews/brit_doesnt_want_her_kids__1st_ex_97425.htm]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* laws that apply to everyone else&lt;br /&gt;
* Commonly accepted behavioural boundaries and values of human decency&lt;br /&gt;
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==Deaths ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hollywood values are deadly.  Some examples include:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=4174733&amp;amp;page=1&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18845.aspx&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[John Barrymore]], 60, cirrhosis of the liver from heavy drinking&lt;br /&gt;
*[[John Belushi]], 33, was a repeated drug abuser who ultimately died of a lethal injection of cocaine and heroin&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Clara Blandick]], 81, suicide&lt;br /&gt;
*[[John Bonham]], 32, after too much drinking, asphyxiated on vomit&lt;br /&gt;
*[[David Carradine]], 72, died from suffocation most likely suicide, had history of suicidal thoughts, alcohol and narcotics abuse &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525177,00.html Thai Police: Carradine Death May Be Accidental Suffocation] Fox News, June 05, 2009 &amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stephen Clark]], 30, Def Leppard guitarist, drug and alcohol overdose&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1108020/bio&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kurt Cobain]], 27, lead singer from the band Nirvana, a heroin addict who committed suicide with a shotgun blast to the head.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ray Combs]], 40, host of the TV game show Family Feud committed suicide by hanging himself in a psychiatric ward.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[John Costelloe]], 47, actor from HBO's The Sopranos known as &amp;quot;Johnny Cakes&amp;quot;, shot himself in the head. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,472864,00.html 'Sopranos' Actor Shocks Fans, Loved Ones With Holiday Suicide] NYPost, December 25, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Karl Dane]], 47, suicide by gunshot&lt;br /&gt;
*[[James Dean]], 24, auto accident (see also crime, below)&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Eazy-E]], 31. [[AIDS]] contracted through drug use.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Brian Epstein]], 32, overdosed on sleeping pills and alcohol&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris Farley]], 33, overdose of morphine and cocaine&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Judy Garland]], 47, overdosed on sleeping pills&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Lee Grivas]], 26, the on-again, off-again boyfriend of actress Christina Applegate, 36, was found dead of an apparent drug overdose&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.bloggernews.net/116552a&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Margaux Hemingway]], 42, suicide&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Jimi Hendrix]], 27, an enthusiastic abuser of illegal drugs, choked on his own vomit after overdose of sleeping pills.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Rock Hudson]], 59, AIDS&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Michael Hutchence]], 37, asphyxiated during an auto-erotic act while alone in a Sydney hotel. His wife, Paula Yates (see below), also fell victim to Hollywood Values.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Richard Jeni]], 49, suicide&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258231,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Janis Joplin]], 27, heroin overdose&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Heath Ledger]], 28, found dead in his [[Manhattan]] apartment. &amp;quot;Prescription sleeping pills and anti-anxiety pills were found in bottles in Ledger's bedroom and bathroom, and police have speculated the death was caused by an accidental drug overdose.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_en_ce/obit_ledger&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Ledger died of an accidental overdose of painkillers, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety medication and other prescription drugs, the New York City medical examiner said Wednesday.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328828,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bruce Lee]] (Li Xiaolong), actor, 33, collapsed and died; trace amounts of cannabis found in bloodstream at postmortem; the official cause of death was acute cerebral edema (swelling of the brain) from hypersensitivity to aspirin.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stuart Lubbock]], 31, found dead in the swimming pool of popular TV entertainer [[Michael Barrymore]], having suffered severe anal trauma, after a drug-fueled party at the star's home &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Queen (band)|Freddy Mercury]], 45, born Farrokh Bulsara, lead singer of the band Queen, died from AIDS-related bronchial pneumonia.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sal Mineo]], 37, murdered under circumstances that suggested &amp;quot;a homosexual motive&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Marilyn Monroe]], 36, overdosed on sleeping pills&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Keith Moon]], drummer of [[The Who]], 32, overdose of Clomethiazole prescribed to treat his [[alcoholism]].&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Jim Morrison]], 27, died of an apparent heroin overdose&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris Penn]], 40, brother of [[Sean Penn]], &amp;quot;died accidentally from an enlarged heart and the effects of a mix of multiple medications&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/02/13/entertainment/e162146S51.DTL&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[River Phoenix]], 23, died from an overdose of cocaine and heroin&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dana Plato]], 34, ''Diff'rent Strokes'' star, suicide by drugs overdose after posing for lesbian pornography.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Elvis Presley]], 42, large drug intake causes a cardiac arrhythmia and rumored to have suffocated on the carpet when he collapsed from a drug overdose.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Virginia Rappe]], 30, died of a ruptured bladder incurred at a party hosted by [[Roscoe Arbuckle]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Brad Renfro]], 25, became addicted to heroin and was found dead after a night of drinking&lt;br /&gt;
*[[George Reeves]], 45, played Superman from the series Adventures of Superman, suicide by gunshot&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Anna Nicole Smith]], 39, accidental overdose on prescription drugs&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sharon Tate]], 26, an actress with a [[hippie]] lifestyle who was murdered by followers of [[Charles Manson]], a [[Beatles]]-obsessed musician wannabee; Manson's followers murdered Tate, who was pregnant and only two weeks from birth, her unborn child, her prior lover, who was staying with her while her husband, movie producer [[Roman Polanski]] (see 'Crime', below), was away, and another unmarried couple staying in the house.  (It is believed that Manson had actually intended his followers to kill the home's previous residents, [[Terry Melcher]] (son of [[Doris Day]]) and [[Candice Bergen]].) &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Polanski Problem [http://moviegeeksclub.blogspot.com/2008/04/polanski-problem.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Sharon Tate Official Site: Sharon's Biography [http://www.sharontate.net/bio4.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Lou Tellegen]], 52, suicide&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sid Vicious]], 21. [[Heroin]] overdose while awaiting trial for his girlfriend's murder.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kenneth Williams]], 62, overdose.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Natalie Wood]], 43. Drowned while intoxicated.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Paula Yates]], 41, heroin overdose.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Layne Staley]], 34, found dead in apartment two weeks after a drug overdose.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/staley1.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Layne promoted the use of hard drugs in the 1992 [[Alice in Chains]] song &amp;quot;Junkhead&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.lyricsfreak.com/a/alice+in+chains/junkhead_20005869.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sexually Transmitted Diseases==&lt;br /&gt;
The loose sexual morals characteristic of the lifestyle defined by Hollywood Values often lead to sexually transmitted diseases.  Examples include,&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Rock Hudson]] died of AIDS-related complications after contracting the disease through homosexual intercourse.&lt;br /&gt;
* Freddie Mercury of the rock group [[Queen (band)|Queen]], notorious for his flamboyant onstage presence, also contracted AIDS through his wildly promiscuous homosexual lifestyle, and subsequently perished of the self-inflicted condition.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Crime ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hollywood values often include being arrested or convicted for a variety of crimes.  Here are some examples:&lt;br /&gt;
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* Actress Lori Petty, who was featured in &amp;quot;Free Willy&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;A League of their Own&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Free Willy,&amp;quot; ran into a 14-year-old skateboarder and was arrested for felony drunk driving charges.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7015343906&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Craig Phillip Robinson, the actor famous for playing Darryl Philbin on NBC's &amp;quot;The Office,&amp;quot; &amp;quot;was arrested on June 29, 2008, on suspicion of possessing MDMA, also known as ecstasy, and methamphetamine.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/08/15/office.actor.arrested.ap/index.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Winona Ryder]] was convicted of convicted of vandalism and grand theft for stealing designer merchandise worth $5,560.40.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.courttv.com/trials/ryder/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[O.J. Simpson]] is widely believed to have murdered his wife and her friend, and was found liable in a civil (but not criminal) trial.  He has since been convicted of unrelated felonies.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Paris Hilton]] was convicted of driving while intoxicated, and then violated the terms of her probation, leading to a 45-day prison sentence.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18472845/ Paris Hilton sentenced to 45 days in jail], MSNBC, May 4, 2007&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Hugh Grant]] was arrested in 1995 when found in a car with a prostitute.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.mugshots.org/hollywood/hugh-grant.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stacy Keach]], movie actor, was sentenced to 9 months imprisonment in the [[United Kingdom]] in 1984 after being arrested at [[London]] [[Heathrow Airport]] in possession of a large quantity of [[cocaine]].&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kiefer Sutherland]] was given a 48-day sentence for DUI in 2007, an offense committed while still on probation following a 2004 conviction for DUI.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Sutherland is released from jail [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7200633.stm BBC]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[George Michael]] was convicted of &amp;quot;Committing a lewd act in public&amp;quot;, having been arrested in a public restroom by a plain clothes police officer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Police confirm George Michael arrest [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/75904.stmBBC]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Arrested in September 2008 in a [[London]] public lavatory, he was found in possession of crack cocaine and cannabis - but merely received a caution. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://uk.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUKLL28201720080921&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Snoop Dogg]], a popular [[rap|rapper]], was arrested in 2006 for [[marijuana]] possession.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Roman Polanski]], Polish-born film producer, is unable to return to Hollywood as he skipped bail and fled to [[France]] after being convicted in 1978 on charges of unlawful sexual intercourse with a thirteen-year old girl.&lt;br /&gt;
* Rapper DMX (Earl Simmons) was caught on camera drag racing at a speed over 110 miles on a freeway, and then a SWAT team was used to arrest him three days later on drug and animal cruelty charges.  &amp;quot;The Maricopa County sheriff's office says the 37-year-old, whose real name is Earl Simmons, at first tried to barricade himself in his bedroom. He came out as a SWAT team entered during the early-morning raid Friday.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.aol.com/entertainment/music/music-news-story/ar/_a/dmx-arrested-on-animal-cruelty-charges/20080509163709990001&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Tatum O'Neal]] arrested in 2008 for [[cocaine]] possession. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361361,00.html Tatum O'Neal Released After Drug Arrest], [[Associated Press]], ''[[Fox News Channel|Fox News]]'', June 02, 2008.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[James Dean]] displayed an unhealthy interest in a twelve-year-old boy. His former director Elia Kazan later commented: &amp;quot;I've known many actors who have been twisted up in their sex lives, but never anybody as sick and unhealthy as Dean was.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*Redmond O'Neal, son of Farrah Fawcett and Ryan O'Neal, plead guilty to possessing heroine and methamphetamine as well as driving under the influence of drugs.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080627/ap_on_en_ot/people_redmond_o_neal;_ylt=AiQCBwpJpxqBOFWVyqEycXsDW7oF Redmond O'Neal pleads guilty to drug charges&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Actor]] Nick Nolte was arrested for drunk driving in 2002&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/nolte1.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sean Bean]] was arrested and spent the night in a cell after allegedly beating his wife.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hR3pX0eEytJcMo7m5LRLHOYpasSA&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Shelley Malil]], 43, worked as an actor in [[movies]] and television. He is charged with causing great bodily injury and using a deadly weapon on Kendra Beebe, a 35-year-old [[mother]] of two. He appeared on the back patio of Kendra's house and stabbed her 20 times. Now held on a $10 million dollar bond. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug13/0,4670,ActorArrested,00.html 40-Year-Old Virgin' actor pleads not guilty] AP, August 13, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Former Power Rangers actor [[Skylar Deleon]], will have three separate trials for four murders. The first trial is set for the murder of Tom and Jackie Hawks, who were allegedly bound to the anchor of their yacht and tossed overboard. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,433765,00.html 'Power Rangers' Actor Set to Stand Trial in Yacht Killings] AP, October 7, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  he was sentenced to death for committing murder.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.dcourier.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&amp;amp;SubSectionID=1&amp;amp;ArticleID=66850&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Musician George O'Dowd, better known by his stage name, [[Boy George]], has been convicted (and will likely go to prison) for handcuffing a male escort to a bed against his will and then beating him with a chain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1092168/Guilty-Boy-George-warned-judge-faces-jail-falsely-imprisoning-male-escort.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Earlier he had been convicted of cocaine possession.&lt;br /&gt;
*Dana Plato was arrested for armed robbery and prescription forgery.&lt;br /&gt;
*Todd Bridges assaulted a motorist and was repeatedly arrested for drug-related offenses.&lt;br /&gt;
*Gary Coleman was arrested for assaulting a woman by punching her in the face.&lt;br /&gt;
*Musician/Producer [[Phil Spector]] was found guilty of second-degree murder for the shooting death of actress Lana Clarkson. He could be jailed for up to 18 years. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30194936/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Kiefer Sutherland, Fox television's &amp;quot;24&amp;quot; star was charged with misdemeanor assault for allegedly head-butting a fashion designer at a nightclub. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47880 ‘24’ Star Kiefer Sutherland Charged for Allegedly Head-Butting a Fashion Designer] Associated Press, May 8, 2009&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Falsehoods ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Hollywood values]] perpetuates [[liberal]]-driven [[Essay:Liberal Falsehoods|falsehoods]]:&lt;br /&gt;
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*Matthew Shepard Fallacy&lt;br /&gt;
:Adherents to Hollywood values &amp;quot;green-lighted a troika of [[Matthew Shepard]] movies after he was senselessly killed because it affirmed their gut feeling that a gay young man living in backward America is destined for death at the hands of hateful ultraconservatives. A street in West Hollywood still stands in his name despite ABC News reporting the story false: He was killed by crazed meth addicts for drugs and money -- not because he was gay. Isn't that tragic enough?  Yet Shepard is still the icon of gay victims' rights, and the mistaken story of his 'fate' soon thereafter befell Jake Gyllenhaal's character in 'Brokeback Mountain.' The Oscar statuette stands as the exclamation point.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dustup26sep26,0,1800794,full.story&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Inherit the Wind]] &lt;br /&gt;
:Hollywood perpetuated complete lies about the [[Scopes Trial]] in order to smear Christianity, including:&lt;br /&gt;
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:*portraying [[William Jennings Bryan]] as being ignorant, harsh and punitive, based on a false portrayal of his actions and testimony&lt;br /&gt;
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:*falsely claiming that at the end Bryan, in a senseless fit of madness, died in the courtroom amid caring and reasonable Darwinists&lt;br /&gt;
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:*falsely portraying the Darwinists in a positive light and the Christians as deceitful&lt;br /&gt;
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:In real life, Bryan and the Christians won the trial and were charitable to the end, while the Darwinist Darrow was deceitful in reneging on his deal to take the witness stand after Bryan did.&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[U 571]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 2000 film [[U 571]] had a plot which was based on the first capture of a German Enigma machine in [[World War 2]].  However, in the film the capture is made by Americans.  In fact the first Enigma machine was captured by the British in 1941 prior to the Americans entering the war.&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Recount]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 2008 [[HBO]] movie on the 2000 Presidential elections and its aftermath in Florida. A look into how the [[Republicans]] stole the election and the role of its party members that made it happen. Republicans are portrayed as ghoulish and cited as manufacturing demonstrations. Both the real Warren Christopher and James Baker contend the film’s portrayal of the former is hopelessly untrue. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/hbos-recount-hanging-chads-and-black-humor/ HBO’s Recount: Hanging Chads, Black Humor] The Washington Times, May 4, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Winter Soldiers]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 1972 film about U.S. troops from Vietnam put on record as baby killers, human rights violators, and general disservice to America. This myth was propagated by a few anti-war activist liberal actors that never did see combat in [[Vietnam]] and some were never in the country. The initial result was to hold hearings in Congress over the matter. All allegations were proven fabrications, falsehoods, and lies.&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[An Inconvenient Truth]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The 2006 false documentary about man-made [[global warming]] created &amp;amp; hyped by [[Al Gore]]. A [[British]] court found the film contained at least [http://www.conservapedia.com/Global_warming#Al_Gore.27s_.22Inconvenient_Truth.22_Movie_Claims 11 material falsehoods]. The Science and Public Policy Institute has found 35 falsehoods associated with the film. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html 35 Inconvenient Truths, Science and Public Policy Institute]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Fahrenheit 911]]&lt;br /&gt;
:A [[Michael Moore]] film that was a false portrayal of why America fought a war against [[Saddam Hussein]]'s Iraq. The main theme was to attack [[George W. Bush]] during wartime.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Disrespect for marriage==&lt;br /&gt;
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Many celebrities and other exponents of Hollywood Values have no respect for the sanctity of marriage - their own or anyone else's. This is manifested in a high rate of marriage breakdown, and by the home-wrecking activities of the promiscuous, whose moral outlooks have been distorted by Liberal and atheistic teachings.&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Elizabeth Taylor]] has been married eight (8) times, including a nearly 6-year marriage to [[John Warner|Senator John Warner]] (R-VA).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000072/bio&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Valerie Bertinelli]] said her divorce from [[Eddie Van Halen]] was caused by infidelity and drug use - by her too. She said she was &amp;quot;destroying my body,&amp;quot; trying to keep up with a rock-star lifestyle. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332551,00.html Valerie Bertinelli About Divorce From Eddie Van Halen: 'I Wasn't An Angel Either'], [[Fox News Channel]], ''[[Associated Press]]'', February 26, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] has been married nine (9) times.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Mickey Rooney]] has been married eight (8) times, but has been with his last wife for 30 years after embracing religion and abandoning his previous lifestyle.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Charlie Chaplin]] married four (4) times, including his marriage at the age of 54 to an 18-year-old bride.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Johnny Carson]] married four (4) times, and frequently made light of his having divorced three times, as if this were something funny.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Offensive Behavior ==&lt;br /&gt;
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* Trashing hotel rooms is a favorite form of offensive behavior by Hollywood types.  Many examples are readily available on the [[internet]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;See, e.g., [http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122101034.html]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Mel Gibson]], who had started drinking again, was arrested after being stopped for driving at 84 mph in a 45 mph zone on a notoriously dangerous road in Malibu, California.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;''Mel Gibson apologizes after DUI arrest'' [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14080210/ Associated Press]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; A breathalyzer test confirmed he was drunk and next to him was an open bottle of Tequila; after being arrested he hurled Anti-Semitic abuse at a Jewish police officer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2292336,00.html Mel Gibson rants against Jews in drink-drive arrest], Times Online, July 30, 2006&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*The parents of [[Miley Cyrus]], just 15 years old, allowed [[Annie Liebowitz]] to pose the starlet without a shirt or bra (nominally [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/topless &amp;quot;topless&amp;quot;]) and with just a sheet covering her front for Vanity Fair magazine.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/media/28hannah.html?_r=1&amp;amp;oref=slogin&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20195785,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23608789-5001026,00.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;quot;I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed,&amp;quot; Cyrus said Sunday in a statement through her publicist. &amp;quot;I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;quot;... a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines,&amp;quot; a network statement said. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Many Hollywood stars who have purposely sought fame have then turned upon photographers and fans. [[Sean Penn]] is well known to lash out at photographers.&lt;br /&gt;
*The parents of 16-year old Jamie Lynn Spears allowing her unwed pregnancy to be publicly portrayed as a normal act even though she is a role model for millions of underage teenagers. Mayor of Gloucester, Carolyn Kirk recently blamed the glamorizing of teen pregnancy by Jamie Lynn Spears for the 17 high school teenagers that got pregnant at the same time. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/06/gloucester_mayo.html Gloucester mayor rebuts report of teen pregnancy pact], June 23, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Despite an upcoming ballot initiative to remove gay marriage from California law, [[Ellen DeGeneres]] proudly displays her [[gay]] sexuality for all to see. On August 16, 2008, DeGeneres &amp;quot;married&amp;quot; Portia de Rossi in a small ceremony in Beverly Hills. Fox News called it &amp;quot;the biggest celebrity union since California legalized same-sex marriage.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,405085,00.html Reports: Ellen DeGeneres and Portia de Rossi Wed] AP, August 17, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Now, her fans and millions of young girls can read about her gay marriage in magazines such as People and Us Magazine, hear about it on celebrity news television shows.&lt;br /&gt;
*Rapper [[Kanye West]] and bodyguard attacked the paparazzi at [[LAX]] airport and allegedly smashed a camera on the floor valued at $10,000. The pair were arrested for felony vandalism. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420869,00.html Kanye West Arrested in Altercation With Paparazzi] Ap, September 11, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Heather Locklear]] was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence of a controlled substance. The officer noticed Locklear's car parked on a state highway and blocking a lane in Montecito, Ca. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429388,00.html Heather Locklear Arrested on Suspicion of DUI] AP, September 29, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rehab ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hollywood values often result in [[Celebrity|celebrities]] going into rehab. Here are some examples:&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Kirsten Dunst]] checked into the [[Cirque Lodge]] treatment facility in [[Utah]] after a week of hard partying at the [[Sundance Film Festival]], according to a source at the lodge, although the lodge's director of operations denies this. &amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;foxkirsten&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329545,00.html Reports Say Kirsten Dunst in Rehab; Rep for Facility Denies It], ''[[Fox News]]'', February 08, 2008&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The following all checked into the above facility seeking treatment for various psychological problems:&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Lindsay Lohan]]&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;foxkirsten&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Eva Mendes]]&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;foxkirsten&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Mary-Kate Olsen]]&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;foxkirsten&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The following have checked into a different facilities for psychological problems:&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Heather Locklear]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;A spokeswoman for the 47-year-old star said: 'Heather has been dealing with anxiety and depression.'&amp;quot;  She &amp;quot;checked into a clinic in [[Arizona]] that treats depression.&amp;quot;[http://www.pnas.org/content/101/11/3721.full]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[David Duchovny]], having boosted Hollywood Values through his role in a decadent television series, now finds himself trapped by the depravity that he promoted, and has had to enter rehab for his addiction to unchastity&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN2835847820080829&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Hypocrisy ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hollywood personalities often propose legislation such as outlawing private gun ownership, or speak out against things such as anti-gun laws, but have at the same time acted in movies contrary to their public opinions: &lt;br /&gt;
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* [[George Clooney]] on hearing that fellow actor and gun-rights advocate, [[Charlton Heston]], suffers from Alzheimer's disease, said: ''&amp;quot;I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the [[National Rifle Association]]. He deserves whatever anyone says about him.&amp;quot;''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.funnyreign.com/quotes-georgeclooney.shtml&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Clooney starred in the film ''The Peacemaker'', in which he played an American military man defending the country from a nuclear attack; scenes in the film showed him using a gun to defend himself and others.   &lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Mark Wahlberg]] upon meeting Charlton Heston on the set of the remake of ''Planet of the Apes'', Wahlberg rudely told Heston, &amp;quot;It was very disturbing meeting you.&amp;quot; Later, Wahlberg would have this to say at the MTV Movie Awards: ''&amp;quot;I believe Charlton Heston is America's best villain because he loves guns so much. Maybe he should get the award for being president of the National Rifle Association.&amp;quot;''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2360&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wahlberg's character in ''Planet of the Apes'' uses a gun to defend himself and other humans from the apes who would rule over them.&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Helen Mirren]] played Queen Elizabeth II in a movie 'The Queen', but [http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,414361,00.html admits she used to use cocaine and was date-raped] as a result of her poor life choices as a younger woman.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Moral depravity==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Woody Allen]] seduced and took pornographic photographs of the youthful daughter of his then girlfriend [[Mia Farrow]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Using appearances to promote their [[liberal]] political views==&lt;br /&gt;
*Rapper Kanye West infamously went way off script during a live benefit concert for victims of Hurricane Katrina, criticizing the media's treatment of images of black and white people and saying President [[George W. Bush]] &amp;quot;doesn't care about black people.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090300165.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*During the live broadcast of the 2007 Emmy Awards, actress Sally Field went on a sputtering anti-war rant, eventually concluding by saying, &amp;quot;If the mothers ruled the world, there would be no g**d*** war in the first place.&amp;quot;  She received thunderous applause from the Hollywood audience for her vulgar remark.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=3610891&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Michael Moore]] surprised no one by criticizing President Bush during his 2003 Oscar acceptance speech for &amp;quot;Bowling for Columbine,&amp;quot; saying, &amp;quot;We live in the time where we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president. We live in a time where we have a man who's sending us to war for fictitious reasons, whether it's the fiction of duct tape or the fiction of orange alerts. We are against this war, Mr. Bush. Shame on you, Mr. Bush. Shame on you.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20030323-2028-oscars-moore.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Actress Jessica Lange verbally attacked President Bush and the Iraq War during a 2008 commencement speech at Sarah Lawrence College in Yonkers, New York, stating, &amp;quot;We are living in an America that, in the last seven and a half years, has waged an unnecessary war, established prison camps, condoned torture, employed corporate armies, eliminated the right of habeas corpus, practiced extraordinary rendition, and believe me, this is only a partial list.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://cbs5.com/politics/Jessica.Lange.President.2.732264.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Actress Megan Fox was recently quoted by MSN in a piece entitled &amp;quot;The Wit and Wisdom of Megan Fox&amp;quot; discussing her new movie Transformers 2. She said &amp;quot;why not just take out all of the white trash, hillbilly, anti-gay, super bible-beating people in Middle America?” &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.onenewsnow.com/Blog/Default.aspx?id=559876 Megan Fox would barter using ‘Bible-beating white trash’]OneNewsNow.com&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vanity and [[Idol]] Worship==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Hollywood]] places a value on appearance and it is driven into the minds of those who they seek profits and adulation from. There is such the need to be rich and famous that anything goes. It may be glamorizing to reveal skin or shamelessly being sex symbols to audiences. Pat-your-back awards ceremonies whereby we breathlessly await the ''Stars'' to arrive. Naturally, scandals make big headlines and these people are no stranger to controversy, for [[money]]. These fake [[Gods]] have captured the hearts of millions upon millions who follow their every move. Negative stereotypes poison the minds of their followers. Women feel less worthy due to the overwhelming influence touching every part of society. Penn State's Media Research found the following regarding Women's magazines, &amp;quot;Past research indicates that exposure to thin models results in lower [[self-esteem]] and decreased weight satisfaction, and to increased depression, guilt, shame, [[stress]], insecurity and body dissatisfaction.&amp;quot; &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.psu.edu/dept/medialab/research/selfworth.html Construction of Beauty as a Measure of Self-Worth] Penn State Media Research&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Preying on Underage Stars==&lt;br /&gt;
Debbie Gibson reflects on her life as a sixteen-year-old teenage Pop star and her exposure to the very sinister side of showbiz. “It is very disheartening that there are so many older men that prey on young performers.”  What is even more disturbing than dirty male fans would be older male record executives trying to take her to adult parties, corrupt her with alcohol. Even the way the paparazzi stalk the younger artists is very different from following around adults. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533542,00.html?test=faces Debbie Gibson Speaks Out About Pedophile Fans Wanting to 'Corrupt Little Girls' Fox News, July 17, 2009]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Productions==&lt;br /&gt;
The diseased moral values of the Liberal-dominated entertainments industry are manifested all too clearly in many of the products of that industry - motion pictures and television programmes that offer no edification or instruction to the viewer, but plumb a cess-pit of license and depravity. Some recent examples include the television series ''Desperate Housewives'' and the TV series/movie ''[[Sex and the City]]''.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Books==&lt;br /&gt;
* ''Hollywood Against America''&lt;br /&gt;
* ''Hollywood Babylon'' (1965) by Kenneth Anger (US edition)&lt;br /&gt;
* ''Hollywood Babylon II'' (1984) by Kenneth Anger&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Supermodel]]s&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Gallery of American Heroes]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[World Famous Pictures]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The '''gun''' is a mechanical [[weapon]] which uses expanding gas or some other propulsion method to fire a [[bullet]], [[dart]] or other projectile through a hollow tube called a barrel.&lt;br /&gt;
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The four main types of modern [[firearm]]s today are bolt-operated, pump action, semi-automatic, and automatic weapons. In a bolt-action weapon, each new round must be loaded manually, by moving the breech to eject the empty casing. In pump action guns (usually shotguns) a new round must be manually loaded by pulling back on pump of the gun, located underneath the barrel. &lt;br /&gt;
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In semi-automatic weapons, each pull of the trigger fires a bullet, each shot ejecting spent brass and loading new ammunition until the magazine is depleted. In fully automatic weapons, bullets will be fired as long as the trigger is depressed. Fully automatic fire will cause the gun to heat up very quickly, which can become dangerous as it can burn exposed flesh and because rounds may &amp;quot;cook off&amp;quot; or fire unexpectedly due to the chamber becoming hot enough to ignite the propellant.&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Gunpowder]] was invented in China around the 800s AD. Firearms appeared after 1200, and became military weapons around 1600. The musket could not hit a small target, so armies fired them in volleys, giving a shotgun effect.  Rifles were indeed accurate but were very slow to reload until the 1850s, when an expanding-base bullet was invented.  Rifles were the main weapon on both sides of the [[American Civil War]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Gun control==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Gun control]] consists of limitations on the ownership of firearms, and by extension restricts the fundamental right of self-defense.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Conservative]]s usually emphasize the individual [[the right to self-defense]] through the use of guns.  [[Liberal]]s more often stress the dangers of unrestricted ownership. &lt;br /&gt;
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Guns are said to be effective at deterring crime and protecting the gun owner.  Police officers often use guns to enforce the law, except in some countries where the police are not armed.   &lt;br /&gt;
===Ireland===&lt;br /&gt;
In the Republic of Ireland, the Garda Síochána has since its foundation held that uniformed officers do not carry guns - &amp;quot;The Garda Síochána will succeed not by force of arms or numbers, but on their moral authority as servants of the people&amp;quot;, as the first Commissioner said&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.garda.ie/faq.html#G4&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.   The current Commissioner of the Gardaí has stated that &amp;quot;we do not live in a 'gun culture'&amp;quot;, despite a recent rash of armed crime.   In Iceland, there are no armed forces, including the Police, and all Police only carry a baton on duty.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Iceland/Default.htm&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;   In addition, the regular Police forces of the UK&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=535071&amp;amp;in_page_id=1770&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the Police Force of New Zealand do not carry firearms while on normal patrol, or in the latter case describe themselves as &amp;quot;generally unarmed&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.police.govt.nz/about/history.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.   However, each of these Police forces also has highly trained specialist teams of armed Police, who are brought into play at time of need.&lt;br /&gt;
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Studies have repeatedly shown that law-abiding citizens carrying guns are an effective deterrent against crime&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/pdf/10.1086/467988&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://saf.org/kleck1998.pdf&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://ideas.repec.org/p/nbr/nberwo/8926.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Further comparison between different states by [[John Lott]] indicates that states that have more conservative gun laws have lower crime rates, violent crime rates, and firearms [[homicide]]s than states with more liberal gun laws. &lt;br /&gt;
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== Science Fiction ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Science fiction]], such as [[Star Trek]], has postulated many different types of directed energy weapons. These are guns that fire beams, waves, or packets of energy.  Some energy guns can be set to stun, not to wound or kill. Most firearms legislation would not classify these as firearms, so their ownership would be unrestricted.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Miniguns ==&lt;br /&gt;
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One unusual type of gun is a minigun. Despite what you would think from the name, a minigun is the biggest of all small-arms. A minigun has multiple barrels which are driven by a loud electric motor. This allows it to have a very high rate of fire, and is a major difference from the systems of operation described at the top of the article.&lt;br /&gt;
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Miniguns are commonly seen in the movies, notable examples being [[Terminator 2]] and [[Predator]], where miniguns can be seen exploding multiple police cars or cutting down whole areas of forest. In reality miniguns probably cannot actually cut down trees, and standard 7.62mm ball ammunition would not cause a car to explode, although a [[tracer]] round might if it hit the gas tank.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Gun control]]&lt;br /&gt;
==Further reading==&lt;br /&gt;
* Hess, Earl J. ''The Rifle Musket in Civil War Combat: Reality and Myth.'' (2008) 288 pages, ISBN 978-0-7006-1607-7 &lt;br /&gt;
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==External Links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.nra.org The National Rifle Association] Everything firearm related. Includes information on Second Amendment rights, NRA Training and Education, Politics and Legislation pertaining to gun rights.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.a-human-right.com/ A Human Right] Discussion of the human right to self defense with a firearm.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.learnaboutguns.com/ Learn About Guns] Firearm information and politics from a pro-firearms perspective.&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.gunowners.org/ Gun Owners of America] A no-compromise pro-gun lobby in Washington, D.C.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>Krazor</name></author>
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