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Debate:Is homosexuality responsible for totalitarianism?

2011-10-08T03:12:18Z

LetItBe: /* No */

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==Yes==
Apparently, if we look at the [[Soviet Union]], [[Nazi Germany]] (the Nazis didn't fully persecute gays, see [[Homosexuality in Nazi Germany]] and [[Homosexuals and the Holocaust]]), and the [[Roman Empire]], these two countries have homosexuality legal, but these countries lost their freedoms. Also, in [[Britain]], [[Canada]], and [[Sweden]], known to be gay friendly countries, people lost their freedom to criticize gays. --[[User:KStanley|KStanley]] 13:35, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Yes

Perhaps in the past homosexuals were not responsible for dictatorships but they will be in the future. As a part of the Homosexual Agenda they will create a world (unless we stop them) in which at first gay marriage will be legal, then, step two, it will be considered hate speech to speak out against the sin of homosexuality, from there it's a slippery slope. Maybe people will be 'enouraged' to experience homosexuality for themselves in the future so they will be 'more tolerant' who knows where it can lead if the atheist/homosexual/liberal gang has their way.

::::This is patently ridiculous. The Roman Empire was never particularly free except for the very small minority fortunate enough to be born as aristocratic males. The Nazis were not gay friendly at all, read a book about it--don't just parrot whatever Glenn Beck tells you. --[[User:RudrickBoucher|RudrickBoucher]] 17:59, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

==No==
Most totalitarian societies have outlawed homosexuality, including Iran's current regime.

KStanley, the Nazis murdered gays, as well as Jews, Slavs, Romani, and the mentally challenged. Murder is murder, no matter the number killed. Canada, Sweden, and the UK, although they are indeed more gay-friendly, are immensely less totalitarian than Nazi Germany and Iran. --[[LincolnShuddered|LincolnShuddered]]
:Homosexuality itself does not logically equate to totalitarianism. The argument KStanley makes is irrelevant, "these two countries have homosexuality legal, but these countries lost their freedoms.", by that logic if Nazi Germany encouraged eating oranges then oranges are responsable for totalitarianism. [[User:Euaaan|Euaaan]] 23:19, 2 October 2009 (EDT)

Correlations and Causality are distinct. Nazi Germany had 2 types of gays, the Butches and the Fems. Nazis persecuted some fems, but promoted many butches to death camp guards, and used other gays for hit squad cannon fodder. if this sounds completely insane, look up the pink swastika, and the many useful and varied sources and references.

: Clarification : many fems were male, and many butches were also male.

:: Conclusion :: Gays as a whole were not to blame for the Nazi ascendancy and ultimate defeat. Hatred of the homoerotic idea was also not completely involved on either side of the Nazi-counterNazi debate.

with love of Israel,

thanks for the new sig ;) 12:53, 9 December 2009 (EST)

'''Is this really a topic for discussion??''' [[User:AShep|AShep]] 21:42, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
Agree with AShep, this makes denial of Global warming look smart.[[LetItBe|LetItBe]]

Debate: Should we criminalize homosexuality?

2011-10-08T03:09:35Z

LetItBe: /* No */

==Yes==
I believe homosexuals are causing our economy to decline. Just look at India, a country that barely tolerates [[homosexuality]], and it's GDP is steadily increasing and becoming an economic. Many other countries like Portugal, Greece, Netherlands, Sweden, and Spain are suffering economically and they have either legalized same-sex marriage or have more liberal "gay rights." And many empires have collapsed due to the acceptance of homosexuality (Roman Empire, Mongol Empire, and the British Empire).

In order to save our economy, we must criminalize homosexuality. Punishing them by death is a bit too extreme, as we Americans need to show that we are more moral than those who punish homosexuality through death. Instead, I suggest we ''deport'' them any communist/socialist state (Cuba, Venezuela, China, and North Korea). These countries are definitely more tolerant towards their gay population since there is never any communist state that criminalizes homosexuality. Or maybe we should send the entire gay population in America to Japan. Since many anime portray homosexuals in a more positive light and Japan happens to be the gay friendliest country in the world, we deport homosexuals there instead.--[[User:JacobMS|JacobMS]] 23:42, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:I am afraid to say that unfortunately JacobMS, you seem to not understand the difference between correlation and causation. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 01:22, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
:: Homosexuality wasn't legalised until well into the 1970s in Britain, the empire was crumbling well before then [[User:TonyB|TonyB]] 21:48, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Christianity clearly prohibits homosexuality, and since America is a CHRISTIAN country, we need to outlaw homosexuality to protect the country from sin. ---[[User:DennisRifkin|DennisR]] 07:32, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
::According to the Treaty of Tripoli of 1796, America is not a Christian nation. See: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html. And I quote: "Art. 11. The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;" From the founding fathers themselves, practically. John Adams was president at the time and proudly signed and announced it, and it, along with the rest of the treaty of course, was unanimously agreed upon by the senate. I needed to point that out. --[[NSmyth|NSmyth]] 19:28, 28 August, 2011 (EDT)

Yes. After Roe v. Wade, Lawrence v. Texas is the worst Supreme Court Decision in the history of the United States. It needs to be overturned and a federal anti-Homosexuality law passed. --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 17:02, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Yes. Please see: [[Homosexuality and murders]], [[Homosexual Couples and Domestic Violence]] and [[Homosexuality and health]]. When one looks at the [[homosexuality and health]] article, it is really not that surprising that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=undP3-0yEn8 Indian lady Christian dancers are far more graceful] than the [[Lesbianism and obesity|obesity infested lesbian population.]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH4ZTSUZQWM&list=PLFD5B143F743EB6B1] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:18, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
:There's also [[Mental Health and Homosexuality]] and [[Gay Bowel Syndrome]] --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 17:28, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
:::OliviaB, you are being redundant. Is that not covered under [[Homosexuality and health]]? (you are probably not the first parodist guilty of being redundant) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:36, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

==No==

How could you call yourselves Democratic if you persecuted a belief? That's just foolish[[LetItBe|LetItBe]].The last thing we need in this country are more liberal, nanny state policies like this. The only thing criminalization of homosexuality would accomplish is more spending on law enforcement and increased governmental control of our lives. There would also be no way to enforce it, since making love in the street is already illegal, and homosexuals could just claim public displays of affection as political statements protected by the first amendment, which would clog our court systems even worse than they already are. There is no objective way to prove homosexuality outside the bedroom, so that throws a giant wrench into any possibility of enforcement.

Government control is a slippery slope. It starts with the criminalization of deviant sexual practices, and before you know it, the government is controlling who breeds with who and when. Homosexuality may be sinful and immoral, but it is the lesser of two evils. [[User:FCapra|FCapra]] 00:19, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

Technically, Homosexuality is not in major violation of the majority of the country's morals, and so there's not reason to criminalize it. What happens in the bedrooms of a loving, consensual couple should not be of any concern to anyone else. [[User:Geosurgeon|Geosurgeon]] 16:19 PM August 28, 2011 (EDT)

No. Even if I did agree that homosexuality is wrong(which I don't), I don't think it could make it through the house or senate. Evidence from both sides is way too shaky, and the religious motive behind it would be dangerously close to being unconstitutional. It would also bring up many comparisons to Nazi Germany, where they criminalized homosexuality, by punishment of death, and while I'm fully aware that even if such legislation was to be written up, it wouldn't be nearly as terrible as Nazi Germany, the comparison would stick the moment it became public. Furthermore, the amount of money such legislation would cost(sinking money into already overzealous law enforcement, and the prison system for a completely ridiculous piece of legislation would be a terrible idea no matter how you look at it) in the end would be enormous and a terribly unnecessary and unaffordable burden on America and Americans in today's economic climate. [[NSmyth|NSmyth]] 19:37 28 August, 2011 (EDT)

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Debate: Should we criminalize homosexuality?

2011-10-08T03:08:23Z

LetItBe: /* No */

==Yes==
I believe homosexuals are causing our economy to decline. Just look at India, a country that barely tolerates [[homosexuality]], and it's GDP is steadily increasing and becoming an economic. Many other countries like Portugal, Greece, Netherlands, Sweden, and Spain are suffering economically and they have either legalized same-sex marriage or have more liberal "gay rights." And many empires have collapsed due to the acceptance of homosexuality (Roman Empire, Mongol Empire, and the British Empire).

In order to save our economy, we must criminalize homosexuality. Punishing them by death is a bit too extreme, as we Americans need to show that we are more moral than those who punish homosexuality through death. Instead, I suggest we ''deport'' them any communist/socialist state (Cuba, Venezuela, China, and North Korea). These countries are definitely more tolerant towards their gay population since there is never any communist state that criminalizes homosexuality. Or maybe we should send the entire gay population in America to Japan. Since many anime portray homosexuals in a more positive light and Japan happens to be the gay friendliest country in the world, we deport homosexuals there instead.--[[User:JacobMS|JacobMS]] 23:42, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:I am afraid to say that unfortunately JacobMS, you seem to not understand the difference between correlation and causation. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 01:22, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
:: Homosexuality wasn't legalised until well into the 1970s in Britain, the empire was crumbling well before then [[User:TonyB|TonyB]] 21:48, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Christianity clearly prohibits homosexuality, and since America is a CHRISTIAN country, we need to outlaw homosexuality to protect the country from sin. ---[[User:DennisRifkin|DennisR]] 07:32, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
::According to the Treaty of Tripoli of 1796, America is not a Christian nation. See: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html. And I quote: "Art. 11. The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;" From the founding fathers themselves, practically. John Adams was president at the time and proudly signed and announced it, and it, along with the rest of the treaty of course, was unanimously agreed upon by the senate. I needed to point that out. --[[NSmyth|NSmyth]] 19:28, 28 August, 2011 (EDT)

Yes. After Roe v. Wade, Lawrence v. Texas is the worst Supreme Court Decision in the history of the United States. It needs to be overturned and a federal anti-Homosexuality law passed. --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 17:02, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Yes. Please see: [[Homosexuality and murders]], [[Homosexual Couples and Domestic Violence]] and [[Homosexuality and health]]. When one looks at the [[homosexuality and health]] article, it is really not that surprising that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=undP3-0yEn8 Indian lady Christian dancers are far more graceful] than the [[Lesbianism and obesity|obesity infested lesbian population.]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH4ZTSUZQWM&list=PLFD5B143F743EB6B1] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:18, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
:There's also [[Mental Health and Homosexuality]] and [[Gay Bowel Syndrome]] --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 17:28, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
:::OliviaB, you are being redundant. Is that not covered under [[Homosexuality and health]]? (you are probably not the first parodist guilty of being redundant) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:36, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

==No==

How could you call yourselves Democratic if you persecuted a belief? That's just foolish[LetItBe].The last thing we need in this country are more liberal, nanny state policies like this. The only thing criminalization of homosexuality would accomplish is more spending on law enforcement and increased governmental control of our lives. There would also be no way to enforce it, since making love in the street is already illegal, and homosexuals could just claim public displays of affection as political statements protected by the first amendment, which would clog our court systems even worse than they already are. There is no objective way to prove homosexuality outside the bedroom, so that throws a giant wrench into any possibility of enforcement.

Government control is a slippery slope. It starts with the criminalization of deviant sexual practices, and before you know it, the government is controlling who breeds with who and when. Homosexuality may be sinful and immoral, but it is the lesser of two evils. [[User:FCapra|FCapra]] 00:19, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

Technically, Homosexuality is not in major violation of the majority of the country's morals, and so there's not reason to criminalize it. What happens in the bedrooms of a loving, consensual couple should not be of any concern to anyone else. [[User:Geosurgeon|Geosurgeon]] 16:19 PM August 28, 2011 (EDT)

No. Even if I did agree that homosexuality is wrong(which I don't), I don't think it could make it through the house or senate. Evidence from both sides is way too shaky, and the religious motive behind it would be dangerously close to being unconstitutional. It would also bring up many comparisons to Nazi Germany, where they criminalized homosexuality, by punishment of death, and while I'm fully aware that even if such legislation was to be written up, it wouldn't be nearly as terrible as Nazi Germany, the comparison would stick the moment it became public. Furthermore, the amount of money such legislation would cost(sinking money into already overzealous law enforcement, and the prison system for a completely ridiculous piece of legislation would be a terrible idea no matter how you look at it) in the end would be enormous and a terribly unnecessary and unaffordable burden on America and Americans in today's economic climate. [[NSmyth|NSmyth]] 19:37 28 August, 2011 (EDT)

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Debate: Should we criminalize homosexuality?

2011-10-08T03:07:11Z

LetItBe: /* No */

==Yes==
I believe homosexuals are causing our economy to decline. Just look at India, a country that barely tolerates [[homosexuality]], and it's GDP is steadily increasing and becoming an economic. Many other countries like Portugal, Greece, Netherlands, Sweden, and Spain are suffering economically and they have either legalized same-sex marriage or have more liberal "gay rights." And many empires have collapsed due to the acceptance of homosexuality (Roman Empire, Mongol Empire, and the British Empire).

In order to save our economy, we must criminalize homosexuality. Punishing them by death is a bit too extreme, as we Americans need to show that we are more moral than those who punish homosexuality through death. Instead, I suggest we ''deport'' them any communist/socialist state (Cuba, Venezuela, China, and North Korea). These countries are definitely more tolerant towards their gay population since there is never any communist state that criminalizes homosexuality. Or maybe we should send the entire gay population in America to Japan. Since many anime portray homosexuals in a more positive light and Japan happens to be the gay friendliest country in the world, we deport homosexuals there instead.--[[User:JacobMS|JacobMS]] 23:42, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:I am afraid to say that unfortunately JacobMS, you seem to not understand the difference between correlation and causation. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 01:22, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
:: Homosexuality wasn't legalised until well into the 1970s in Britain, the empire was crumbling well before then [[User:TonyB|TonyB]] 21:48, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Christianity clearly prohibits homosexuality, and since America is a CHRISTIAN country, we need to outlaw homosexuality to protect the country from sin. ---[[User:DennisRifkin|DennisR]] 07:32, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
::According to the Treaty of Tripoli of 1796, America is not a Christian nation. See: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html. And I quote: "Art. 11. The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;" From the founding fathers themselves, practically. John Adams was president at the time and proudly signed and announced it, and it, along with the rest of the treaty of course, was unanimously agreed upon by the senate. I needed to point that out. --[[NSmyth|NSmyth]] 19:28, 28 August, 2011 (EDT)

Yes. After Roe v. Wade, Lawrence v. Texas is the worst Supreme Court Decision in the history of the United States. It needs to be overturned and a federal anti-Homosexuality law passed. --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 17:02, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Yes. Please see: [[Homosexuality and murders]], [[Homosexual Couples and Domestic Violence]] and [[Homosexuality and health]]. When one looks at the [[homosexuality and health]] article, it is really not that surprising that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=undP3-0yEn8 Indian lady Christian dancers are far more graceful] than the [[Lesbianism and obesity|obesity infested lesbian population.]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH4ZTSUZQWM&list=PLFD5B143F743EB6B1] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:18, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
:There's also [[Mental Health and Homosexuality]] and [[Gay Bowel Syndrome]] --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 17:28, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
:::OliviaB, you are being redundant. Is that not covered under [[Homosexuality and health]]? (you are probably not the first parodist guilty of being redundant) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:36, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

==No==

How could you call yourselves Democratic if you persecuted a belief? That's just foolish.The last thing we need in this country are more liberal, nanny state policies like this. The only thing criminalization of homosexuality would accomplish is more spending on law enforcement and increased governmental control of our lives. There would also be no way to enforce it, since making love in the street is already illegal, and homosexuals could just claim public displays of affection as political statements protected by the first amendment, which would clog our court systems even worse than they already are. There is no objective way to prove homosexuality outside the bedroom, so that throws a giant wrench into any possibility of enforcement.

Government control is a slippery slope. It starts with the criminalization of deviant sexual practices, and before you know it, the government is controlling who breeds with who and when. Homosexuality may be sinful and immoral, but it is the lesser of two evils. [[User:FCapra|FCapra]] 00:19, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

Technically, Homosexuality is not in major violation of the majority of the country's morals, and so there's not reason to criminalize it. What happens in the bedrooms of a loving, consensual couple should not be of any concern to anyone else. [[User:Geosurgeon|Geosurgeon]] 16:19 PM August 28, 2011 (EDT)

No. Even if I did agree that homosexuality is wrong(which I don't), I don't think it could make it through the house or senate. Evidence from both sides is way too shaky, and the religious motive behind it would be dangerously close to being unconstitutional. It would also bring up many comparisons to Nazi Germany, where they criminalized homosexuality, by punishment of death, and while I'm fully aware that even if such legislation was to be written up, it wouldn't be nearly as terrible as Nazi Germany, the comparison would stick the moment it became public. Furthermore, the amount of money such legislation would cost(sinking money into already overzealous law enforcement, and the prison system for a completely ridiculous piece of legislation would be a terrible idea no matter how you look at it) in the end would be enormous and a terribly unnecessary and unaffordable burden on America and Americans in today's economic climate. [[NSmyth|NSmyth]] 19:37 28 August, 2011 (EDT)

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Debate: Should we criminalize homosexuality?

2011-10-08T03:06:46Z

LetItBe: /* No */

==Yes==
I believe homosexuals are causing our economy to decline. Just look at India, a country that barely tolerates [[homosexuality]], and it's GDP is steadily increasing and becoming an economic. Many other countries like Portugal, Greece, Netherlands, Sweden, and Spain are suffering economically and they have either legalized same-sex marriage or have more liberal "gay rights." And many empires have collapsed due to the acceptance of homosexuality (Roman Empire, Mongol Empire, and the British Empire).

In order to save our economy, we must criminalize homosexuality. Punishing them by death is a bit too extreme, as we Americans need to show that we are more moral than those who punish homosexuality through death. Instead, I suggest we ''deport'' them any communist/socialist state (Cuba, Venezuela, China, and North Korea). These countries are definitely more tolerant towards their gay population since there is never any communist state that criminalizes homosexuality. Or maybe we should send the entire gay population in America to Japan. Since many anime portray homosexuals in a more positive light and Japan happens to be the gay friendliest country in the world, we deport homosexuals there instead.--[[User:JacobMS|JacobMS]] 23:42, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:I am afraid to say that unfortunately JacobMS, you seem to not understand the difference between correlation and causation. --[[User:DamianJohn|DamianJohn]] 01:22, 6 July 2011 (EDT)
:: Homosexuality wasn't legalised until well into the 1970s in Britain, the empire was crumbling well before then [[User:TonyB|TonyB]] 21:48, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Christianity clearly prohibits homosexuality, and since America is a CHRISTIAN country, we need to outlaw homosexuality to protect the country from sin. ---[[User:DennisRifkin|DennisR]] 07:32, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
::According to the Treaty of Tripoli of 1796, America is not a Christian nation. See: http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html. And I quote: "Art. 11. The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;" From the founding fathers themselves, practically. John Adams was president at the time and proudly signed and announced it, and it, along with the rest of the treaty of course, was unanimously agreed upon by the senate. I needed to point that out. --[[NSmyth|NSmyth]] 19:28, 28 August, 2011 (EDT)

Yes. After Roe v. Wade, Lawrence v. Texas is the worst Supreme Court Decision in the history of the United States. It needs to be overturned and a federal anti-Homosexuality law passed. --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 17:02, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

Yes. Please see: [[Homosexuality and murders]], [[Homosexual Couples and Domestic Violence]] and [[Homosexuality and health]]. When one looks at the [[homosexuality and health]] article, it is really not that surprising that [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=undP3-0yEn8 Indian lady Christian dancers are far more graceful] than the [[Lesbianism and obesity|obesity infested lesbian population.]] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH4ZTSUZQWM&list=PLFD5B143F743EB6B1] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:18, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
:There's also [[Mental Health and Homosexuality]] and [[Gay Bowel Syndrome]] --[[User:OliviaB|OliviaB]] 17:28, 28 August 2011 (EDT)
:::OliviaB, you are being redundant. Is that not covered under [[Homosexuality and health]]? (you are probably not the first parodist guilty of being redundant) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:36, 28 August 2011 (EDT)

==No==

How could you call yourselves Democratic if you persecuted a belief, that's just foolish.The last thing we need in this country are more liberal, nanny state policies like this. The only thing criminalization of homosexuality would accomplish is more spending on law enforcement and increased governmental control of our lives. There would also be no way to enforce it, since making love in the street is already illegal, and homosexuals could just claim public displays of affection as political statements protected by the first amendment, which would clog our court systems even worse than they already are. There is no objective way to prove homosexuality outside the bedroom, so that throws a giant wrench into any possibility of enforcement.

Government control is a slippery slope. It starts with the criminalization of deviant sexual practices, and before you know it, the government is controlling who breeds with who and when. Homosexuality may be sinful and immoral, but it is the lesser of two evils. [[User:FCapra|FCapra]] 00:19, 6 July 2011 (EDT)

Technically, Homosexuality is not in major violation of the majority of the country's morals, and so there's not reason to criminalize it. What happens in the bedrooms of a loving, consensual couple should not be of any concern to anyone else. [[User:Geosurgeon|Geosurgeon]] 16:19 PM August 28, 2011 (EDT)

No. Even if I did agree that homosexuality is wrong(which I don't), I don't think it could make it through the house or senate. Evidence from both sides is way too shaky, and the religious motive behind it would be dangerously close to being unconstitutional. It would also bring up many comparisons to Nazi Germany, where they criminalized homosexuality, by punishment of death, and while I'm fully aware that even if such legislation was to be written up, it wouldn't be nearly as terrible as Nazi Germany, the comparison would stick the moment it became public. Furthermore, the amount of money such legislation would cost(sinking money into already overzealous law enforcement, and the prison system for a completely ridiculous piece of legislation would be a terrible idea no matter how you look at it) in the end would be enormous and a terribly unnecessary and unaffordable burden on America and Americans in today's economic climate. [[NSmyth|NSmyth]] 19:37 28 August, 2011 (EDT)

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