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Dinosaur

2007-02-27T19:13:22Z

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[[Image:StockDinosaur.jpg|right|Biblical evidence suggests that people and dinosaurs coexisted.]]

The word '''dinosaur''' was coined in 1841 by creationist Richard Owen<ref>http://www.trueauthority.com/dinosaurs/about.htm</ref>, from the [[Latin]] for "terrible lizard". Dinosaurs were a group of large [[lizards]] that previously lived in abundance on Earth.

Darwinists believe that dinosaurs lived from 230 million until 65 million years ago and that they are all currently extinct (except for birds, which they consider to be descended from dinosaurs). They claim the [[fossil]] evidence supports their beliefs.

Some Christians reject Darwin's Theory of Evolution. These Christian [[Creationist | Creationists]] believe, based primarily on Biblical [[evidences]], but also drawing on [[archeological]] and fossil evidence, that dinosaurs were created on the 6th day of the [[Creation Week]]<ref>''Genesis'', 1:25</ref>, between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago; that they lived in the [[Garden of Eden]] in harmony with other animals, eating only plants<ref>''Genesis'' 1:29-30</ref>; that pairs of various dinosaur baramins were taken onto [[Noah's Ark]] during the [[Great Flood]] and were preserved from drowning<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/dinos_on_ark.asp "Were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark?"], ''Answers in Genesis''</ref>; that fossilized dinosaur bones originated during the mass killing of the Flood<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/dinosaurbones.asp "Dinosaur bones—just how old are they really?"], ''Creation'' 21(1):54–55, December 1998</ref>; and that some descendants of those dinosaurs taken aboard the Ark still roam the earth today<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i4/dinosaurs.asp "Are dinosaurs alive today?"], ''Creation'' 15(4):12–15, September 1993</ref>.

Because the term only came into use in the 19th century, the [[Bible]] obviously does not use the word "dinosaur." However, they are mentioned in numerous places throughout the Good Book. For example, the '''behemoth''' in [[Job]]<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/behemoth.asp "Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?"], ''TJ'' 15(2):42–45, August 2001</ref> and the '''leviathan''' in [[Isaiah]] are almost certainly references to dinosaurs.

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Dinosaur

2007-02-27T18:58:47Z

Measure: obviously citing the bible means these are christian creationists and not of some other, or no, religion.

[[Image:StockDinosaur.jpg|right|Biblical evidence suggests that people and dinosaurs coexisted.]]

The word '''dinosaur''' was coined in 1841 by creationist Richard Owen<ref>http://www.trueauthority.com/dinosaurs/about.htm</ref>, from the [[Latin]] for "terrible lizard". Dinosaurs were a group of large [[lizards]] that previously lived in abundance on Earth.

Darwinists believe that dinosaurs lived from 230 million until 65 million years ago and that they are all currently extinct (except for birds, which they consider to be descended from dinosaurs). They claim the [[fossil]] evidence supports their beliefs.

Christian [[Creationist | Creationists]] believe, based primarily on Biblical [[evidences]], but also drawing on [[archeological]] and fossil evidence, that dinosaurs were created on the 6th day of the [[Creation Week]]<ref>''Genesis'', 1:25</ref>, between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago; that they lived in the [[Garden of Eden]] in harmony with other animals, eating only plants<ref>''Genesis'' 1:29-30</ref>; that pairs of various dinosaur baramins were taken onto [[Noah's Ark]] during the [[Great Flood]] and were preserved from drowning<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/dinos_on_ark.asp "Were dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark?"], ''Answers in Genesis''</ref>; that fossilized dinosaur bones originated during the mass killing of the Flood<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i1/dinosaurbones.asp "Dinosaur bones—just how old are they really?"], ''Creation'' 21(1):54–55, December 1998</ref>; and that some descendants of those dinosaurs taken aboard the Ark still roam the earth today<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i4/dinosaurs.asp "Are dinosaurs alive today?"], ''Creation'' 15(4):12–15, September 1993</ref>.

Because the term only game into use in the 19th century, the [[Bible]] obviously does not use the word "dinosaur." However, they are mentioned in numerous places throughout the Good Book. For example, the '''behemoth''' in [[Job]]<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/behemoth.asp "Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?"], ''TJ'' 15(2):42–45, August 2001</ref> and the '''leviathan''' in [[Isaiah]] are almost certainly references to dinosaurs.

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Talk:Dinosaur

2007-02-27T18:42:27Z

Measure: /* Anti-Christian Bias */

How absurd!

What are "Old-Earth Evolutionists"? Is there another kind of "evolutionist"? Is evolutionist a word?

Why is the word "evolved" in inverted commas in the second sentence?

Why are the creationists referred to as scientists whereas the "Old-Earth Evolutionists" are not?

Why does it say that the "Creation scientists" have beliefs based on evidence when it says no such thing about the "Old-Earth Evolutionists"? (who you might think have a better claim to beliefs based on evidence).

Why doesn't the article tell me anything about dinosaurs?

I will be back to do some editing. --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 20:27, 22 February 2007 (EST)

:Note Horace's use above of the Britishism "inverted commas" instead of the proper American "quotation marks". This shibboleth makes his contributions look rather suspiciously like the work of a Wikipedia agitator. [[User:Rich P|Dr. Richard Paley]] 17:21, 23 February 2007 (EST)

::You, sir, are a bounder. Oops. Did it again. I would have thought that the substance of my contributions can speak for themselves. I am not any sort of agitator other than perhaps an agitator for accurate articles. --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 18:25, 25 February 2007 (EST)

There, that's a start. --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 20:49, 22 February 2007 (EST)

== Courtesy ==

How about some discussion before editing Rich? --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 21:45, 22 February 2007 (EST)

== Anti-Christian Bias ==

Why was all information based on the Creation worldview removed from this article? I thought this was precisely the sort of anti-Christian bias that Conservapedia was created to combat. Are people from Wikipedia trying to undermine this site? Well, nevermind; those interested to hear non-PC discussions of [http://creationwiki.org/Dinosaur dinosaurs] and Origins in general are welcome to come to [http://creationwiki.org/Main_Page CreationWiki] instead. [[User:Rich P|Dr. Richard Paley]] 01:41, 23 February 2007 (EST)

:I removed this information because it does not speak for all Christians, and none of the sources even claimed to speak for most Christians.

::Leaving aside the question of rampant apostasy in the modern Church re: Biblical Creation, I had originally clearly labeled those views as belonging to "Creation Scientists" -- for whom those sources do speak -- not "all Christians" or "most Christians". This was altered to "Creationists" in general (which is vague enough to include any number of errant views, including Hindu creation myths and Raelian extraterrestrial genetic-engineering delusions), and then the entire section was cut, leaving only the views of Darwinists. I do not see how these changes are consonant with the mission statement of Conservapedia (i.e. the elimination of Liberal bias which suppresses the Biblical worldview). Although it pains me to do so, I feel I must question whether those making these suspicious changes are working for the forces of Wikipedia to sneakily impose that project's PC, anti-Christian bias on this project. [[User:Rich P|Dr. Richard Paley]] 16:56, 23 February 2007 (EST)

::Furthermore, let me note that if this were merely a question of the views being presented in that paragraph only belonging to "some Christians", then why not ''add'' additional paragraphs explaining the views of the other so-called Christians instead of simply silencing the views of the (clearly labeled) subset of Christianity? Nothing is gained by this change except to give the false impression that all Christians agree with Darwinian views on dinosaurs. Was this the intent? [[User:Rich P|Dr. Richard Paley]] 17:08, 23 February 2007 (EST)

:::I am a Christian, and I accept evolution as a fact. I think that it is clearly demonstratable in the real-world. I know dozens of other Christians who also accept evolution. I think it is out of place for a website that is supposed to reflect all Christian views to only promote the views of a minority of Christians called "Creation Scientists". They should be relegated to the fringes, as they do not represent most Christians views.

User talk:Measure

2007-02-27T18:11:46Z

Measure:

This is a warning about your entry that young earth Christians "believe that those who see the bones as a sign that the earth is older than 6000 years will be damned to an eternity in [[Hell]]". You will be blocked if you post another derogatory and unjustified remark.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 22:23, 23 February 2007 (EST)

::I don't see how this is unjustified, as I've been told this by Christians, and I am a Christian myself. Nevertheless, I can see the point that not ALL Christians believe this way, so I will strive to keep the Dinosaur article free of any viewpoints that only reflect some Christian views, and delete any views that are not universally shared by all Christians. --[[User:Measure|Measure]] 13:11, 27 February 2007 (EST)

Talk:Dinosaur

2007-02-23T20:27:29Z

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Dinosaur

2007-02-23T06:22:27Z

Measure: none of the sources used claims to speak for all creationists. Taking out inaccurate statements.

From the [[Latin]] for "terrible lizard", '''dinosaurs''' were a group of large [[lizards]] that previously lived in abundance on Earth.

Paleontology tells us that dinosaurs roamed the planet from 230 million until 65 million years ago and that they are all currently extinct (except for birds, which [[Taxonomists]] consider to be descended from [[theropod]] dinosaurs).

Dinosaurs are not explicitly mentioned in the [[Bible]], although the '''behemoth''' in [[Job]]<ref>[http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/behemoth.asp "Could Behemoth have been a dinosaur?"], ''TJ'' 15(2):42–45, August 2001</ref> and the '''leviathan''' in [[Isaiah]] are considered by some people to represent the '''brachiosaurus''' and '''kronosaurus''' respectively. <ref>http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml</ref>

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Dinosaur

2007-02-23T00:57:08Z

Measure: typo fix

From the [[Latin]] for "terrible lizard", dinosaurs were a number of large [[lizard]] species who lived on Earth in prehistoric times. Scientists who believe in an old Earth believe that dinosaurs roamed between 230 million and 65 million years ago. Creationists believe that dinosaur bones were created by [[God]] to test the faith of believers. They believe that those who see the bones as a sign that the earth is older than 6000 years will be damned to an eternity in [[Hell]].

Although lizards still exist, all dinosaurs are now extinct.

Dinosaurs are not explicitly mentioned in the [[Bible]], although the '''behemoth''' in [[Job]] and the '''leviathan''' in [[Isaiah]] are considered by some researchers to represent the '''brachiosaurus''' and '''kronosaurus''' respectively. <ref>http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml</ref>

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Dinosaur

2007-02-23T00:52:20Z

Measure: clarified creationist position.

From the [[Latin]] for "terrible lizard", dinosaurs were a number of large [[lizard]] species who lived on Earth in prehistoric times. Scientists who believe in an old Earth believe that dinosaurs roamed between 230 million and 65 million years ago. Creationists believe that dinosaur bones were created by [[God]] to test the faith of believers. They believe that those who see the bones as a sign that the earth is older than 6000 years will be damned to an eternity in [Hell]].

Although lizards still exist, all dinosaurs are now extinct.

Dinosaurs are not explicitly mentioned in the [[Bible]], although the '''behemoth''' in [[Job]] and the '''leviathan''' in [[Isaiah]] are considered by some researchers to represent the '''brachiosaurus''' and '''kronosaurus''' respectively. <ref>http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml</ref>

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