Talk:Atheistic Logic

2008-03-19T15:56:46Z

Meyay:

'Atheists say they disbelieve God exists, but then are often hostile to God'. Sorry, no. Some are hostile to prayer and the worship of God, as they see it as a complete waste of time to pray to and worship someone who simply doesn't exist. In my experience, though, most simply shake their head and leave the religious folk to what they consider to be their delusional fantasies, so not only does this statement fail to be a 'logical contradiction', it's not even accurate. [[User:Urushnor|Urushnor]] 16:47, 4 March 2008 (EST)

: Not true. [[Atheists]] insist on censoring classroom prayer. See [[Talk:School prayer]]. That censorship cannot be explained by citing disbelief. Atheists do not, for example, insist on censoring other things in the classroom that they disbelieve in, such patriotism.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:08, 4 March 2008 (EST)

:: Aschlafly, I'm confused. You say evolution shouldn't be taught in school, citing your own disbelief, and then turn around and proclaim that prayer should be in schools, disregarding others' disbelief. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 17:54, 4 March 2008 (EST)

::: (inserted reply) Classroom prayer does not require anyone to embrace a concept to obtain a good grade, as evolution indoctrination does. That's a big difference, obviously.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:31, 4 March 2008 (EST)

:::: Oh? Isn't participation in class activites worth marks in your country? [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 18:33, 4 March 2008 (EST)

:: Well, the page you directed me to totally fails to prove how ALL atheists are hostile to God (as opposed to prayer and worship of Him) or indeed, how ALL atheists censor classroom prayer. It only seems to indicate that you, amongst others, think the principle of 'separation of church and state' is wrong, or shouldn't be applied to schools. I do note that you applaud the patriotism of atheists in not insisting on censoring 'other things they disbelieve in', and I agree - such patriotism indeed, as such freedoms are one of the major founding principles of this country, but I am puzzled as to what that has to do with the matter we're discussing. [[User:Urushnor|Urushnor]] 18:08, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Might I ask a a question? Would it be OK if a Moslem teacher tried to teach their faith to Christians? Would Christians object? What would happen if a Moslem teacher tried to teach their faith to a class of Hindus? Would the Hindus object? I'm curious to understand how these situations are logically different to the one discussed here? [[User:SpiritualLife|SpiritualLife]] 20:45, 4 March 2008 (EST)

== what is the contradiction here? ==

Mr. Aschlafly, May be I am thick, but I don't understand what is the logical contradiction here.--[[User:JBuscombe|JBuscombe]] 18:03, 4 March 2008 (EST)

== Logic?! ==

"'''[http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary log·ic]''' \ˈlä-jik\ ''n.'' 1 a (1): a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning"

Anyone see any of that in the article? What's the connection between logic and school prayer? [[User:DLerner|DLerner]] 10:13, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

:Interestingly enough, the "vandalism" which was just reverted was more or less on track. Not believing in God does not logically connect to being hostile to Christians (and they also aren't being hostile, they are percieved that way by Christians), and being atheist, again, has no relation to ones qualifications to "comment on school curricula". [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 23:35, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

::Yes, of course, there are mild-mannered atheists. I've also met kind-hearted, conscientious and non-violent socialists. But the overall militancy of American atheism is not to be dismissed. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 23:52, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

:::I was talking about the logic. Even if every athiest were a "militant", the logic is flawed. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 00:07, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Militancy?! How are atheists militant? Do atheists go out at night and assault theists? Or is there an underground Atheist Army? [[User:Blinkadyblink|Blinkadyblink]] 23:59, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

: Atheists insist on censoring harmless references to God.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 00:30, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Really? I personally have no problem with references to God unless it is the government making them. And before you tell me to look at point 5 in [[liberal logic]], a counterexample is accepted as a way to disprove a hypothesis in both [[math]] and [[science]], are those both exclusively liberal fields? [[User:Blinkadyblink|Blinkadyblink]] 00:41, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

Before you make some claim then can you please cite it?

Atheistic Logic

2008-03-19T15:53:26Z

Meyay:

Here is a growing list of logical contradictions in [[atheism]]:

* [[Atheists]] say they do not believe that any [[God]] or equivalent deity exists, but then are often hostile to [[Christians]], as in censoring classroom prayer even when everyone wants to participate. Of course, they are just trying to uphold the Separation of Church and State which is in the Constitution.

*Atheists often feel that they are well qualified to comment on school curricula, in effect advising others how to raise their children, while refusing to admit that others are more qualified with respect to education of their own children than atheists are.

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==See also==

[[Liberal logic]]

[[Category:Atheism]]

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