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Talk:Roy and Silo

2008-11-25T18:15:22Z

NicholasM:

The notion that homosexuality is seen in the wild may be contrasted with the apparently homosexual behavior of some animals in captivity. This must be distinguished from the argument that whatever animals do is "natural" and therefore normal for human beings.

Please rewrite the article to reflect this. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 12:32, 25 November 2008 (EST)

:Personally, I think this is an unnecessary article. -[[User:DrSandstone|DrSandstone]] 12:33, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::I am agree that apparent homosexual behavior in animal is used as an excuse to justify homosexuality in humans, This need to be mentioned. --[[User:NicholasM|NicholasM]] 12:41, 25 November 2008 (EST)

This highly misleading entry is going to be deleted unless it is completely changed to emphasize and reflect:
*the politicization of this issue
*the absence in the animal kingdom of any display of the homosexual lifestyle
*the rarity of even homosexual acts among animals
--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 12:52, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:Homosexual and lesbian acts are frequent among bonobos. I think scientists can reasonably claim that bonobos have a bisexual lifestyle. [[User:StanleyJ|StanleyJ]] 13:06, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::Ok, please give me a few minutes. I will try to address the issue. --[[User:NicholasM|NicholasM]] 12:54, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:::Isn't point two exactly opposite of the entire article...? [[User:HDCase|HDCase]] 12:54, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Several here are either clueless about the very promiscuous homosexual lifestyle, or are aware of it and seek to mislead others. We're going to remain factual here and will not post deceptive information for the [[gay agenda]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Bonobos are also sexually very promiscuous. [[User:StanleyJ|StanleyJ]] 13:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)

::::Regarding point two, the sources I have claim there are cases of homosexual behavior among animals. As HDCase pointed, it is opposite to the article also. I have no good source instantly available to mention that homosexuality is rare among animals. Off course it should be mentioned if a source can be found. But I have added the information to make it clear that zoologists politicize events like this by making attempt to justify homosexuality among humans. It is mentioned in the New York Times article. I wish collaboration of other editors to find sources so that the missing points can be mentioned. --[[User:NicholasM|NicholasM]] 13:15, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Roy and Silo

2008-11-25T18:06:21Z

NicholasM: merge

'''Roy and Silo''' are two [[homosexual]] male [[penguin]]s at the Central Park Zoo in [[Manhattan]].<ref name=CPZGPID>[http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RAV41.DTL Central Park Zoo's gay penguins ignite debate]</ref> They are chinstrap penguins.<ref name=NYT>[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9506efd9113bf934a35751c0a9629c8b63 Love That Dare Not Squeak Its Name] ''[[New York Times]]''</ref> According to the National Geographic News,<ref>[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate] ''National Geographic News''</ref>
{{cquote|Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.}}

They were offered companionship of female penguins, they refused it. According to the chief keeper of the penguins Rob Gramzay, once both of them were so desperate to incubate an [[egg]] together that they used a rock as an egg and sat on it. In this way they the rock warm in the folds of their abdomen. After Gramzay gave them an egg, they incubated it and a chick named Tango was born. They also helped raising Tango.<ref name=CPZGPID/>

The above does not prove that gay behavior is also natural for humans. None the less it raises the probability that gay behaviour is natural for us as well. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bonobo&oldid=568792 Bonobos] also show male on male and female on female sexual behavior. Bonobos are the closest living relatives of humans. This bonobo behavior certainly increases the probability that gay sex can be natural for us. Some have accused zoologists of politicizing the subject of homosexuality in animals<ref>[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal_2.html]</ref> who cite examples like this to justify homosexuality among humans.

==References==
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[[Category:Homosexuality]]

Roy and Silo

2008-11-25T17:58:08Z

NicholasM: added that zoologists sometimes cite examples like this to justify homosexuality in humans

'''Roy and Silo''' are two [[homosexual]] male [[penguin]]s at the Central Park Zoo in [[Manhattan]].<ref name=CPZGPID>[http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RAV41.DTL Central Park Zoo's gay penguins ignite debate]</ref> They are chinstrap penguins.<ref name=NYT>[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9506efd9113bf934a35751c0a9629c8b63 Love That Dare Not Squeak Its Name] ''[[New York Times]]''</ref> According to the National Geographic News,<ref>[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate] ''National Geographic News''</ref>
{{cquote|Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.}}

They were offered companionship of female penguins, they refused it. According to the chief keeper of the penguins Rob Gramzay, once both of them were so desperate to incubate an [[egg]] together that they used a rock as an egg and sat on it. In this way they the rock warm in the folds of their abdomen. After Gramzay gave them an egg, they incubated it and a chick named Tango was born. They also helped raising Tango.<ref name=CPZGPID/>

The above does not prove that gay behavior is also natural for humans. None the less it raises the probability that gay behaviour is natural for us as well. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bonobo&oldid=568792 Bonobos] also show male on male and female on female sexual behavior. Bonobos are the closest living relatives of humans. This bonobo behavior certainly increases the probability that gay sex can be natural for us. Some have accused zoologists of politicizing the subject of homosexuality in animals.<ref>[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal_2.html]</ref> Zoologists sometimes cite examples like this to justify homosexuality in humans.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Homosexuality]]

Talk:Roy and Silo

2008-11-25T17:54:02Z

NicholasM:

Roy and Silo

2008-11-25T17:44:02Z

NicholasM: Some have accused zoologists of politicizing the subject of homosexuality in animals

'''Roy and Silo''' are two [[homosexual]] male [[penguin]]s at the Central Park Zoo in [[Manhattan]].<ref name=CPZGPID>[http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RAV41.DTL Central Park Zoo's gay penguins ignite debate]</ref> They are chinstrap penguins.<ref name=NYT>[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9506efd9113bf934a35751c0a9629c8b63 Love That Dare Not Squeak Its Name] ''[[New York Times]]''</ref> According to the National Geographic News,<ref>[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate] ''National Geographic News''</ref>
{{cquote|Roy and Silo, two male chinstrap penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo have been inseparable for six years now. They display classic pair-bonding behavior—entwining of necks, mutual preening, flipper flapping, and the rest. They also have sex, while ignoring potential female mates.}}

They were offered companionship of female penguins, they refused it. According to the chief keeper of the penguins Rob Gramzay, once both of them were so desperate to incubate an [[egg]] together that they used a rock as an egg and sat on it. In this way they the rock warm in the folds of their abdomen. After Gramzay gave them an egg, they incubated it and a chick named Tango was born. They also helped raising Tango.<ref name=CPZGPID/>

The above does not prove that gay behavior is also natural for humans. None the less it raises the probability that gay behaviour is natural for us as well. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bonobo&oldid=568792 Bonobos] also show male on male and female on female sexual behavior. Bonobos are the closest living relatives of humans. This bonobo behavior certainly increases the probability that gay sex can be natural for us. Some have accused zoologists of politicizing the subject of homosexuality in animals.<ref>[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal_2.html]</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Homosexuality]]

Talk:Roy and Silo

2008-11-25T17:41:53Z

NicholasM:

User talk:NicholasM

2008-11-25T17:40:48Z

NicholasM:

See [[Talk:Roy and Silo]] --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 12:33, 25 November 2008 (EST)
:But I cannot join the discussion. Bugler blocked me for one month for any reason which I do not understand. --[[User:NicholasM|NicholasM]] 12:37, 25 November 2008 (EST)
::Sorry, did not notice you unblocked me. Thank you. --[[User:NicholasM|NicholasM]] 12:40, 25 November 2008 (EST)

User talk:NicholasM

2008-11-25T17:37:53Z

NicholasM:

Roy and Silo

2008-11-25T17:16:10Z

NicholasM: wikilink

Bonobo

2008-11-25T17:13:23Z

NicholasM: National Geographic

[[Image:Bonobo.jpg|right|thumb|200px]]
'''Bonobos''', or "pygmy [[chimpanzees]]", are an endangered<ref>[http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/factsheets/entry/bonobo/cons PrimateInfo.Net]</ref> ape species in the genus ''Pan'' (the only other being the common chimp). Bonobos are more peaceful and social than the common chimpanzee. Bonobos share about 98% of their [[DNA]] with humans and slightly more than the common chimpanzee shares with humans.<ref name="Columbus Zoo">[http://www.colszoo.org/animalareas/aforest/bonobo.html Bonobos] at the Columbus Zoo </ref> Unlike many other apes, they walk upright a signficant fraction of the time.

== Anatomy and Behavior ==
Females are smaller than males but unlike in many other ape species the female hierarchy of dominance matters more than that of the males. Bonobos pass the mirror test and have facial expressions close enough to those of humans such that humans can often recognize what emotion a bonobo is expressing. <ref name="Columbus Zoo"/> Individual bonobos also have very different facial features such that humans can easily differentiate one bonobo from another.

Proponents of evolutionary psychology often point to bonobos as examples of an evolutionary adaptation in which a species acquired the strategy of bartering sex to enhance social status or to resolve disputes<ref>[http://songweaver.com/info/bonobos.html Bonobo Sex and Society]</ref>. Studies suggest almost all bonobos are [[bisexual]].<ref>[http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal_2.html Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate]</ref> Homosexual activists have cited bonobos as examples of animals who perform homosexual acts<ref> Chris Bull, [http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1589/is_n735/ai_20164884 Monkey love - homosexual behavior in primates,] The Advocate, June 10, 1997.3</ref><ref>Steve Sailer, [http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_1999_Sept_27/ai_55820853 "Chimps and Chumps : What monkeys don't tell us about man,"] National Review, Sept 27, 1999. </ref> . The National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), a group which believes that homosexuality is a mental disorder{{fact}} that can be cured argues the bonobo behavior is not sexual but rather are aggressive acts to assert dominance much like when a dog mounts a person's leg<ref>
Luiz Sérgio Solimeo, [http://www.narth.com/docs/animalmyth.html "The Animal Homosexuality Myth,"] NARTH.</ref>

Pedophilic behavior is also common in bonobos.<ref>De Waal, F. (1990). Sociosexual behavior used for tension regulation in all age and sex combinations among Bonobos. In J. Feierman (Ed.), Pedophilia: Biosocial dimensions (pp. 379–393). New York: Springer.</ref>

== References ==
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[[Category:Primates]]
[[Category:Hominid]]

Roy and Silo

2008-11-25T17:11:57Z

NicholasM: New page: '''Roy and Silo''' are two homosexual male penguins at the Central Park Zoo in Manhattan.<ref name=CPZGPID>[http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RA...