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Talk:Communism

2007-05-25T03:38:19Z

NickDeF: /* very biased */

==totalitarian nightmare==

I think that the "Christian sharing" section is out of place here. It gives a false impression that Communism - i.e., [[Marxism-Leninism]] - is in any way related to the voluntary sharing of "[[Christian communism]]". The latter is a form of [[communitarianism]].

Communism is a totalitarian nightmare, as Orwell chillingly portrayed it in ''[[1984]]''. I've read books on Soviet, Chinese, Cuban, Vietnamese and North Korean life. I've met refugees from various communist countries and in 1992 personally visited 4 former Soviet SSR's. It's hell on earth.

Not that democracy is Heaven, but:
#The [[Iron Curtain]] was to keep people in (see also [[Berlin Wall]]).
#Refugees mainly want to come to America and Britain.

Am I biased on this? I have made up my mind, but it is based purely on the objective facts. Anyway, I do look forward to working cooperatively with other editors here. Just don't try any liberal tricks. This is a subject I know thoroughly. I have books and references. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 22:53, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

I agree with you completely, and I urge you to improve this article as well.

It's funny that you bring this up because I just wrote the Berlin Wall stub this afternoon. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 22:54, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

:I think we must distinguish between the concepts that communism supposedly follows, and the fascist regimes that call themselves "communist" (USSR, China, etc.) because there is quite an important distinction between the two. You can't really disagree with this. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 23:05, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

::I'm with you 100%, been there, got the tee shirt (and the sweat shirt, and the gold-embossed mug), etc. I have personally met the author of ''Communism: Promise and Practice''. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 23:08, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

::*Well, this may be true, but the main point to be made is that even with total control of a nation's populous Communism (Marx & Engel's version) doesn't really work "outside of the laboratory". This may reflect an element of biological evolution wherein a person's genetic desire to be the "fittest" precludes an egalitarian and altruistic society; i.e. why should '''I''' help those who aren't of my genetic lineage by this "sharing" or pooling of resources. Sometimes it is a benefit to do so, and so we do to some extent, but a full fledged society goes against evolutionary forces. MOO --[[User:Rob Pommer| Rob Pommer]][[User_talk:Rob_Pommer|TALK]] 23:14, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

::If God and Heaven did not exist, it would merely be an odd coincidence. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 22:56, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

:That stuff comes from early Marxist writings, and dedicated Marxists still cite it today. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:55, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

OK, here's a better quote from Toynbee,
:"According to the Communist prophet's intuition ...the class-war is bound to issue in a victorious proletarian revolution.... A time is to come when....the New Society of the Marxian Millennium will be able to cast away not only 'the Dictatorship of the Proletariat' but also every other institutional crutch, including the State itself; for in that Marxian earthly paradise to come 'they neither marry nor are given in marriage' [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:12, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Sheesh! People as lab rats ... it doesn't even work *in* the lab ... all the poor rats keep trying to escape. Just think about 2 sets of borders: one, when you cross it you're a refugee or defector - the other, when you cross it you're a welcome immigrant.

Who ever heard of someone crossing the Gulf of Mexico in a raft to escape '''into''' Cuba? And don't get me started on Vietnam - I read ''Le Gulag Vietnamien'' and even met the author [[Doan Van Toai]] in Boston. Read about him [http://www.worldandi.com/specialreport/1986/october/Sa11490.htm here]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 23:22, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

== Picture ==

I don't think you need the hammer and sickle to spin... I'm replacing the picture. [[User:Marl Karx|Marl Karx]] 14:12, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

==Communism in the history of political thought (Draft) ==

(I'm trying to come up with a concise chapter on the history of communism, but don't have time to complete it. This is part of the draft. Please feel free to edit as if this were part of the article. When it's done I'll copy and paste it in to the main text.)

Communism as an idea was born out of the Industrial Revolutions in Europe in the 19th century. At the beginning of the century, workers in industrial nations such as Britain began to organise themselves in to co-operative societies, for the purposes of providing members with a fair price for staple goods and for the support of members who were unable to work, either because of difficulties finding employment or sickness.

These societies were often formed as a reaction to predatory employers, who would pay workers solely in vouchers to be spent at the company store, making competition impossible and enabling the employer to fleece employees. Leaders of the co-operative movement, such as Robert Owen, abhorred such practice and wished to reorganise society along similar lines to their own movement. In 1826, Owen wrote "There is but one mode by which man can possess in perpetuity all the happiness which his nature is capable of enjoying, — that is by the union and co-operation of all for the benefit of each." (cite ISBN when I dig out my copy)

:Communism is responsible for the [[democide]] of 100 million plus lives in very recent memory, and one quarter of the planet remains enslaved under it. Dressing it up as anything else border's on Holocuast denial. Let's stick to the facts on this sad chapter of human history, and not try to present it as anything other than what it is--a failed attempt by atheists and rationalists to dominate the human race and exterminate anyone who opposed them. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 16:41, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

:: Wow, is that a chip on your shoulder, or a huge boulder? These are the facts. Regardless of what you think of communism, it is important that historical information be included in any article in an encyclopaedia. Should we perhaps not include the history of the British Empire because it killed so many people?

:: Communism is an important part of the history of the 19th and 20th centuries, and is intertwined with the social and demographic trends of industrialisation. To ignore that history is to be doomed to repeat it. --[[User:Abrown|Abrown]] 17:08, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

:::To ignore the real history of Communism, like ignoring the real history of Nazism, is to be doomed to repeat it. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 17:29, 14 April 2007 (EDT)

== Communist could be good ==

Communism idealistically is a good system. Everyone makes the same amount of money so the rich can't exploit the poor.--[[User:BushRules12|BushRules12]] 23:17, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

== Picture ==

Don't you think we should use it's logo as the image at top? Why was it removed? [[User:Marl Karx|Marl Karx]] 22:15, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
:We are not here to promote, memorialize, or glorify a [[democidal]] subject. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:38, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

== very biased ==

This article, although it holds much truth, should be changed to be more neutral in order to give people a good idea as to what communism is about.
:Oh really? You don't think eyewitness testimony from the [[Gulag]]s can't give us a good idea as to what communism is about? [[User:RobS|RobS]] 23:32, 24 May 2007 (EDT)
: I don't know. They could tell you about Stalin, but not what communism is always about. The dictionary is non-biased, why can't we be like the dictionary (in terms of being non-biased)?

Communism

2007-05-25T03:33:08Z

NickDeF:

=====What is Communism?=====
Communism is a system of government in which society as a whole (i.e. the community) controls the modes of production (factories, stores, etc.) and distribution. [[Healthcare]], education, and medical care are also controlled by society. Communism is similar to [[socialism]], but communism seeks to gradually make everyone financially equal to the point where the "state" is no longer needed to oppress one class in order to make everyone equal (see the next section for an explanation). [[Karl Marx]] and [[Frederick Engels]] are considered communism’s founding fathers.

===Communism and the State===
Communists view a [[capitalist]] [[state]] as a vehicle for the [[bourgeoisie]], AKA the bourgeois (In communist theory, the class that controls the modes of production), to oppress the working class (proletariat) in order to increase wealth via the modes of production. Communists want to reverse the capitalist system and remove the all power from the [[bourgeoisie]] until they are equal to everyone else.

Although communist governments would prefer the bourgeois comply to the will of the communist state peacefully, they sometimes have to use force to make them comply. However, this has been the case with other classes and groups of people in many non-communist parts of history as well.

===Communism and Democracy===
Communism is an [[economic]] policy, and it can be applied to any electoral policy (including [[democracy]]). However, the [[Stalinist]] [[ideology]] of communism is the only exception to the last sentence because it is strictly [[totalitarian]]. [[Leon Trotsky]] was among the many historically significant communists that endorsed [[democracy]].

Sadly, many communist nations that survived the [[Cold War]] were heavily influenced by the [[Stalinist]] [[Soviet Union]] during the [[Cold War]]. This is why their government systems are similar to that of the [[U.S.S.R.]] However, the Soviet Union Was originally [[Marxist-Leninist]] (in today's terms). It changed to [[Stalinism]] when [[Stalin]] became its leader.

===Ideologies of Communism===
There are many ideologies of communism. Among the most well known are, [[Marxism]], [[Leninism]] ([[Marxism-Leninism]]), [[Maoism]], [[Stalinism]], [[anarcho-communism]], [[council-communism]], and [[libertarian socialism]].

===Communism and Nazism===
Although they may seem similar to people whom are unfamiliar with them, they are not very similar. Unlike [[Nazism]], communism is characterized by extreme [[anti-racism]]. Historically, communists and [[fascists]] ([[Nazism]] is a form of [[fascism]]. ) would fight against each other in the streets. A good example of the hatred between [[Nazis]] and communists would be the invasion of the [[Soviet Union]] by [[Nazi Germany]] during [[World War Two]]. This invasion broke the [[Non-Aggression Pact]] that the two nations had with each other.

===Further Reading/External Links===
*[http://marxists.org "The Marxist Internet Archive"]Recommended
*[http://cpusa.org "Communist Party (USA)"]Recommended
*[http://revleft.com "Revolutionary Left"]
*[http://marxist.net "Marxists"] Recommended
*[http://comleague.org "The Communist League"]

[[Category:Politics]]
[[Category:History]]

Talk:Communism

2007-05-25T03:31:03Z

NickDeF: very biased

Columbine High School Massacre

2007-05-25T03:27:22Z

NickDeF:

[[Image:Columbine.jpg|right|thumb|Grieving Columbine students]]
'''Columbine massacre ''' refers to a massacre by two students, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris,<ref>The official report omits how one of the students had been taken off powerful mind-altering medication, which can lead to dangerous conduct.[http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/SUSPECTS_TEXT.htm]</ref> of 12 students and a coach at Columbine High School in Littleton, [[Colorado]] on April 20, 1999.

The killers were anti-religion, anti-establishment, antisocial, and anti-gun control; they sought out as victims [[Christianity|Christians]], [[homosexuals]], racial minorities, and popular athletes. The killers planned their attack beforehand and investigators later found descriptions in their notes about their intentions to kill.

Politicians cited the massacre in their demands for greater [[gun control]], and congressional [[Democratic Party|Democrats]] held highly publicized hearings to pass gun control legislation. But gun control became an issue that hurt Democratic presidential candidate [[Al Gore]] in 2000, causing him to lose the election by losing the traditionally Democratic state of West Virginia, where the right to bear arms is valued.{{fact}} [[Liberal]] [[Socialism|socialist]] filmmaker [[Michael Moore]] used the incident as the backdrop for an anti-gun rights documentary, ''Bowling For Columbine''.
[[Image:Eric harris dylan klebold.jpg|right|thumb|Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, perpetrators of the massacre, caught on Columbine High School's security cameras in the cafeteria shortly before committing suicide.]]
A photo gallery of the young students is available online.<ref>http://www.acolumbinesite.com/victim/memoriam.html</ref> Also online is the much-criticized official report of the massacre.<ref>http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/TOC.htm</ref>

In 2005, Daniel Ledonne of Alamosa, Colorado, created a much-criticized video game called ''Super Columbine Massacre RPG!''' which simulates the school shootings took place at Columbine.<ref>http://live.canoe.ca/TheShow/Archives/2006/09/14/1839452.html</ref>
== References ==

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[[Category:United States History]]
[[Category:School violence]]

Communism

2007-05-25T03:20:03Z

NickDeF: communism

=====What is Communism?=====
Communism is a system of government in which society as a whole (i.e. the community) controls the modes of production (factories, stores, etc.) and distribution. [[Healthcare]], education, and medical care are also controlled by society. Communism is similar to [[socialism]], but communism seeks to gradually make everyone financially equal to the point where the "state" is no longer needed to oppress one class in order to make everyone equal (see the next section for an explanation). [[Karl Marx]] and [[Frederick Engels]] are considered communism’s founding fathers.

===Communism and the State===
Communists view a [[capitalist]] [[state]] as a vehicle for the [[bourgeoisie]], AKA the bourgeois (In communist theory, the class that controls the modes of production), to oppress the working class (proletariat) in order to increase wealth via the modes of production. Communists want to reverse the capitalist system and remove the all power from the [[bourgeoisie]] until they are equal to everyone else.

Although communist governments would prefer the bourgeois comply to the will of the communist state peacefully, they sometimes have to use force to make them comply. However, this has been the case with other classes and groups of people in many non-communist parts of history as well.

===Communism and Democracy===
Communism is an [[economic]] policy, and it can be applied to any electoral policy (including [[democracy]]). However, the [[Stalinist]] [[ideology]] of communism is the only exception to the last sentence because it is strictly [[totalitarian]]. [[Leon Trotsky]] was among the many historically significant communists that endorsed [[democracy]].

Sadly, many communist nations that survived the [[Cold War]] were heavily influenced by the [[Stalinist]] [[Soviet Union]] during the [[Cold War]]. This is why their government systems are similar to that of the [[U.S.S.R.]] However, the Soviet Union Was originally [[Marxist-Leninist]] (in today's terms). It changed to [[Stalinism]] when [[Stalin]] became its leader.

===Ideologies of Communism===
There are many ideologies of communism. Among the most well known are, [[Marxism]], [[Leninism]] ([[Marxism-Leninism]]), [[Maoism]], [[Stalinism]], [[anarcho-communism]], [[council-communism]], and [[libertarian socialism]].

===Communism and Nazism===
Although they may seem similar to people whom are unfamiliar with them, they are not very similar. Unlike [[Nazism]], communism is characterized by extreme [[anti-racism]]. Historically, communists and [[fascists]] ([[Nazism]] is a form of [[fascism]]. ) would fight against each other in the streets. A good example of the hatred between [[Nazis]] and communists would be the invasion of the [[Soviet Union]] by [[Nazi Germany]] during [[World War Two]]. This invasion broke the [[Non-Aggression Pact]] that the two nations had with each other.

===Further Reading===
*[http://marxists.org "The Marxist Internet Archive"]Recommended
*[http://cpusa.org "Communist Party (USA)"]Recommended
*[http://revleft.com "Revolutionary Left"]
*[http://marxist.net "Marxists"] Recommended
*[http://comleague.org "The Communist League"]