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Talk:Christianity

2007-03-14T18:46:09Z

PD Popejoy:

While it is true that the ''Roman'' Catholic Church might only refer to one rite of Catholicism, the schismatic Orthodox are not Catholic. Also, it is not merely the "original" Christian Church, but the only one, but the "original" semantics are tolerable. --[[User:Luke-Jr|Luke-Jr]] 11:36, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
: I think that Baptists, Mormons, Protestants, Presbyterians, Jehovah Witnesses, Non Denominationals, etc will all argue that there is more than one Christian Church, and that they all don't belong to the Catholic Church and follow the Pope. --[[User:Orion Blastar|Orion Blastar]] 15:25, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

:: However, this is error on part of the Baptists, Mormons, et al who are not Christians. --[[User:Luke-Jr|Luke-Jr]] 15:26, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian denominations. Whether or not someone "argues that there are more than one Christian Church" is a non-issue. People can argue whatever they want--that does not mean their points are grounded in truth. The study of the doctrine of the Church, Ecclesiology, is based upon what does Scripture say about who believers are, and what the Body of Christ is. All orthodox (meaning non-heretical)denominiations officially believe there is only one Christian church, one Body of Christ, because that is the Scriptural position. This Body is composed of all those who believe Jesus Christ died for their sins and rose again from the dead for them, justifying them before the Father and giving them eternal life.
"Catholic" has two meanings: with a small "c" means universal; "C" refers to the Roman Catholic branch of Christianity, ruled by the Pope and Magesterium. Christians in the Nicene creed claim to believe "one holy, catholic and apostolic church", meaning one universal body of believers, founded upon the Apostles' teachings we have in the New Testament. This is not a confession believing in Rome's positions, but in the Biblical position of there being only one body of Christ.

== Beliefs ==

The first paragraph in this section is incorrect, or incomplete. Not all Christian denominations have the "born again" stance. In some branches of Calvinism, for example, everything is predetermined. No need to be "born again". The Catholic church has also a different interpretation. I guess the orthodox too. What the article describes here is just an anabaptist view, by no means the mainstream view. -- [[User:Order|Order]] 13 March 2007, 22:10 (AEST)

--You are inaccurate. Calvinism does believe in the need for regeneration and being born again. Calvinism is inconsistent, however, and is a good example of what happens when we arrive at a wrong understanding of doctrine, and then try to develop a system of belief around that concept. It would be a natural consequence that if everything is predetermined, there would be no need to be born-again, as you say. Calvinism sees that would be contrary to Scripture, and tries to work around this, but is not able to do so and still arrive at correct doctrine. We should be willing to reject those teachings of our leaders which prove to contradict Holy Scripture. It is inspired by God and inerrant; we are sinful humans,and easily err.

If a denomination does not "have the born-again stance", it is not a Christian denomination, at least on that doctrine. All believers are born-again, regenerated by God at the moment of their belief in Jesus. The sole place of revelation about these issues is in Scripture, and the data must be interpreted correctly, or we arrive at false conclusions, which are un-orthodox and heretical.--[[User:PD Popejoy|PD Popejoy]] 14:46, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

User talk:MountainDew

2007-03-14T11:07:44Z

PD Popejoy: Thanks for the opportunity to edit a bit

Question: What did I do wrong in the entry for God? It is a fact that all three of those religions worship the same god. They worship different prophets(Islam has Mohammed, Christianity has Jesus and Judaism believes that the son of god hasn't arrived yet), but they do all believe in the same god.

Sorry if this is in the wrong spot, I just didn't know how to send you a message.

Due to your excellent contributions to Conservapedia, you have been made a SYSOP. With these new privileges, you can block any troublesome users by clicking the block button next to their username. You can also revert vandalism using the method described [[Help talk:Contents|here]]. Please block users guilty of minor vandalism for a short period of time, such as a week or two. Obscenity and Offensive edits are reason for an infinite block without warning. Congratulations on becoming a SYSOP! ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 20:21, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Your welcome! ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 20:43, 25 February 2007 (EST)

Thanks for the welcome. [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 01:52, 8 March 2007 (EST)
== Explaining reversions ==

When reverting as you did [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Dinosaur&curid=6394&diff=17371&oldid=17364 here], it is generally helpful to explain why you choose to revert. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 17:17, 1 March 2007 (EST)

I'll do that in the future. The user in question was obviously trying to be snarky, but that's nothing I couldn't have specified. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:27, 1 March 2007 (EST)

: It didn't strike me as snarky. It seemed to me to be highly reasonable especially since there issues when we use the term "creationist" precisely what we mean, whether YEC or some other form. This is discussed briefly at [[creationism]]. Regardless, it doesn't make much sense to say someone was in a category when everyone in their time period was in that category. It would be like labeling Julius Caesar pagan. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 17:32, 1 March 2007 (EST)

: I would dispute whether everybody was a creationist in 1841, but I don't think this is really worth arguing over, so if you wish to revert it back, feel free. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 17:35, 1 March 2007 (EST)

== Good entry! ==

Nice entry on Henry David Thoreau! Thanks!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 15:16, 2 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks. I hope to expand on it eventually. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:32, 5 March 2007 (EST)

== Tournament Chess Player ==

That's impressive that you're a tournament chess player! I liked chess but was never very good at it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:24, 6 March 2007 (EST)

I never actually started taking the game seriously until high school. It just became an addiction for me. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 18:59, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Wow, you play chess too? What's your rating? Can I have your name to check it out on USCF.org? Good luck- [[User:Meekrok|Meekrok]]

==Koronus==
Don't worry I unblocked him to tweak his block. I found an obscene deleted article floating around . He is now blocked for 1 year. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 01:05, 7 March 2007 (EST)

== Edit reverted as vandalism. ==

Regarding [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Unicorn&diff=20130&oldid=20129] it was added by [[User:Conservative]] so I presume it was meant to be serious. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 20:51, 7 March 2007 (EST)

I think that at the very least, there shouldn't be a statement that implies that the existence of unicorns is definite. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 20:52, 7 March 2007 (EST)

==Staying up Late==

Does Jesus know you are staying up late on a Friday night standing guard over Conservapedia? Shouldn't you be out attempting to be fruitful and multiply?

== Delete and block ==

Please delete Mecha Jesus again and block the user in question. Thanks. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 23:57, 9 March 2007 (EST)

== Cheesy potatoes ==

I think it was a little trigger-happy of you to delete the article without saying anything in the discussion taking place at [[Talk:Cheesy potatoes]]. It's not too late to discuss it there now. I'm not suggesting you undelete it, but I think the creator of the article should be given a chance to explain.

Entirely guesswork on my part, but I think it was a good-faith if frivolous contribution by a youngish person. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 13:19, 10 March 2007 (EST)

P. P. S. At Wikipedia I don't believe this would have been a valid "speedy deletion" (one performed by a sysop without discussion). [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 13:21, 10 March 2007 (EST)

== Making conservatives look bad? ==

How am i making conservatives look bad? Scooter Libby is a pariah although liberals don't want to admit it... I thought this site was about the truth--[[User:PatRobertson2008|PatRobertson2008]] 20:30, 10 March 2007 (EST)

== The liberal media's already beating up on Gingrich! ==

Poor guy! They were making him look bad in 1995 and it's back again! We need to have his reponse here! I don't want a closet liberal like Giuilani or Mitt Romney to become president!--[[User:PatRobertson2008|PatRobertson2008]] 20:33, 10 March 2007 (EST)

You'd rather have an admitted adulterer and hypocrite? --[[User:Sandbagger|Sandbagger]] 15:03, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

What are you trying to say?
And I've never endorsed any political candidate on Conservapedia. I am only trying to remove obvious vandalism. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 15:04, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

== Good block and revert ==

Excellent block and rollback, and locking of the Bush page. Very well done! As you did, when it is an obscenity then simply put on an infinite block. We don't want that block ever expiring. Thanks!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 20:42, 10 March 2007 (EST)

P.S. You're absolutely right about being suspicious based on the user id (or screen name). It's amazing how 95% of the time the user id is an obvious giveaway to the bad intentions.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 20:45, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Great move in protecting [[Ann Coulter]]. Thanks!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 15:10, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

== why did you block me? ==

The first line of that article was entirely evolutionist, I was adding the American view. --[[User:Joseph84|Joseph84]] 19:33, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

I didn't block you. Your entry was clearly sarcastic. I only warned you. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 19:35, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

== "Sex" page ==

I just made a pretty little table on the page, and then protected it from editing. So the page does exist, but without any content but the table. --[[User:Hojimachong|Hojimachong]] 19:47, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

== Not Sure ==

I'm not quite sure. Ask Andrew, he should know. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 22:41, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

:It seems as though you've figured it out. How do you do it? --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 22:46, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

== Facebook ==

Could you send me a Facebook invite? The Email this User link is active for me. Thanks, --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 00:11, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

I can't get the link to work. However, you don't have to have an invite to register. I can send you the link to that actual page within the site if you register. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 00:29, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

OK, thanks for the info. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 00:34, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

== Bad Editing ==

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Look, I didn't delete everything written before as you allege. Compare the two and you'll see that. All of the previous contributions are there, minus grammar errors and POV stuff. Maybe you should read a little more before you jump to conclusions.... [[User:Romney4King|Romney4King]]

There are some differences, but they aren't as substantial as I thought at first, and I do see that your edits produce a well written article, so I'm going to leave it. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 15:14, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

== Multiple reversions without explanation ==

User Ank mangled my contribution, which was factual. Then you go ahead and revert both his mangling of it while deleting my contribution all together. That's not fair. --[[User:Bturpin|Ben]] 15:27, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

I reverted everything he did because he vandalized about 15 pages and I couldn't look at all of them while keeping up with the current wave of vandalism. Feel free to re-incorporate your edits. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 15:28, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

== You're the one being biased. ==

"Fair trade" is what the liberals use to cover up the stigma of the protectionism.

== British English ==

I don't understand how British spelling is inherently biased whereas American spelling isn't. Perhaps you'd care to explain this. [[User:PraiseTheLard|PraiseTheLard]] 17:54, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

== President of the United States ==

Hi, I was just adding some details to this article, which you deleted. Don't you think there should be a bit more detail here? It just seems to me that, if this is to be an encyclopedia, it ought to have a more detailed account of how something like the Electoral College works.

[[User:Boethius|Boethius]] 17:59, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

We both know the general goal of your inclusion of those statements, which is to imply that Bush's election was illegitimate. As this is a Conservative encyclopedia, we don't generally want half of the article of the Electoral College serving as a vehicle for these claims. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 18:01, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

::Actually, I was trying to revise the article so that it would *not* imply that Bush was not properly elected -- it had been vandalized before I started editing it, and had statements in it about how Bush thinks he is a king. Look at the version just before the ones I edited and you will see that I was taking that kind of stuff *out*, not putting it in!!

[[User:Boethius|Boethius]] 18:06, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

:Proceed ahead then. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 18:06, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

== Pi ==

Why did you revert my post. Please tell me where I misrepresented the Bible. Everything I added was properly cited and true. Can you prove to me that Kings 7:23 doesn't say Pi is 3? Isn't this a conservative and Christian encyclopedia? Thanks- [[User:Meekrok|Meekrok]]

Come on, we both know you're being sarcastic here. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 19:01, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

I may have overreacted, but the page should at least mention the bible says pi is three. Censorship of the bible is definitely not what Conservapedia is about. [[User:Meekrok|Meekrok]]

As long as I can cite a Christian response to the claim (that holds to a 3.14.... value). [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 19:06, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

Thanks for dealing with that, MountainDew. I don't like it when people swear at me or on productive content.

I hope to keep doing good to this site!

In Him, --[[User:Galaxy001|Zach]][[User talk:Galaxy001|send me a message]] 02:14, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for calling my attention to that! There's a lot of people who want to hurt this site and we need to do all we can to combat it. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:14, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

==Reverting Pages==
How do you quickly revert pages without having to manually fix all the changes? [[User:ColinR|ColinR]] 05:12, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

If you're a sysop, you go to recent changes, and click on "hist", then click the "revert" button. If you're not, click "hist" then the date and time of the entry which you want to edit, then click "edit", and save. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 05:13, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

==Vandals==

Has it been like this all day? I was having to deal with this for 4 hours this morning.[[User:NSmyth|NSmyth]]18:17, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Yep. I don't even have time to write articles anymore. I'm spending all my time dealing with this. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 18:18, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

:Let's block more quickly, and lock more pages that are repeated targets of vandalism.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:36, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

== Bob Dylan ==

Just saw your changes to [[Bob Dylan]]. While it's true he has not recorded an explicitly Christian-themed album for some years, he continues to perform the songs of this era, such as "Saved" and "In the Garden", and as far I am aware his faith has not changed or diminished during these years; indeed there is considerable evidence to the contrary; see:

http://web.utk.edu/~wparr/IsDylanStillChr.html

which has a number of direct quotes, including a recent concert at which Dylan dedicated "In the Garden" to his hero, Jesus Christ.

I don't want to get into a debate, but I think you will find this stuff reasonably solid and compelling -- if you do, would you please revert the change you made?

many thanks,

[[User:Boethius|Boethius]] 18:22, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Feel free to revert it. You seem to know more about Dylan than I do. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 18:23, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

==Thanks==

Thanks for taking care of those articles I flagged.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 18:31, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

== Blocking and locking (protecting) ==

MountainDew, please feel free to block more quickly, and to lock ("protect") pages that you find yourself repeatedly reverting. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:35, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

MountainDew, do you recall the name of the other conservative college student? Should we make him a SYSOP? Can you recommend others for SYSOP status? The person needs only be responsible and we are not limiting this to conservatives. I just made Elamdri a SYSOP. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 18:56, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

I think you may be thinking of Daniel B. Douglas, who seemed trustworthy but who joined several days ago and hasn't come back. You might also be thinking of ColinR, who was a big help for me during a wave of vandalism last night. I think he would probably make a good SYSOP. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 18:59, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

I understand why you blocked the "Kangaroo" page. But could you fix the last paragraph so the scientific and religious explanations aren't co-mingled? It reads funny. Thanks. --[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 19:01, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

==AwaitingTheRapture==

Did we get everything?--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 21:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

I think so. I think the Conservapedia:Abuse was the last one that didn't say "rollback" by his name. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 21:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Salright!--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 21:39, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

I'm still new to this and I'm not sure exactly how the page moves work. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 21:39, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Me too. Basically, I move the page, and one I move the page, I go to the offensive redirect page and delete it. That way there is no redirect page.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 21:41, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

== Spoof text on [[Family Friendly]] ==

Hi, just a note to let you know that some spoofed or vandalistic text has been created at [[Family Friendly]]; this should be removed/changed and the user informed.

[[User:Boethius|Boethius]] 22:07, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

Wow! [[User:Hojimachong]] caught that already! talk about fast.

[[User:Boethius|Boethius]] 22:08, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

== Page Move Vandalism ==

This is a serious problem; how should we go about dealing with the page-move vandals (I assume the latest three were all the same person), and how do we get the IP from the server? Conservapedia's ban-hammer needs to turn into something more like a "ban-nuke" --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 22:20, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

:Same guy too. We need to ban his IP quick. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 23:01, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

== Thanks, Suggestion ==

MountainDew, thanks for all your blocks and cleaning up of the obscenity. Liberals are great, aren't they? We're starting to track IP addresses to report these vandals and I've posted the jail time imposed by federal law for such obscenity, so they should decline. Also, I've created more SYSOPs to help.

One little tip. When you delete an obscene entry, you might erase the message box on the reason for deletion before confirming the deletion, so that all that filth does not show up on the Recent Changes page. Otherwise the first part of the content shows up there. Thanks again.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 00:35, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

== Terrorism ==

What was wrong with my edit to [[terrorism]]? I know Madonna thinks the IRA wasn't a terrorist group, but the UK Government disagreed.

== Thanks for the opportunity to edit a bit ==

Thanks for the opportunity to add to "Christianity!" What a blessing! I just did a bit to get it going, just off the cuff. You might want to "close" it up as you had done before! There's always alot that can be added, but it needs to be true and accurate.

There is no greater ministry this Conservapedia can do than this!! I'm so excited for you!! Maintaining the truth of the Bible, the truth about Jesus Christ and what He has done for the world, is going to be challenged by Satan's minions the rest of our lives here. We will always have this battle. We fight our sinful flesh and our fellow Christians' sinful flesh, and the enemy. We have to make sure that what we write corresponds to what is God's written Word in Scripture. and His offer that whoesoever hungers or is thirsty, can come to Him for living water and the Bread of Life.

May the Lord bring souls to knowledge of Him through Conservapedia! May the Lord provide for the finances needed, the administration needed, so that truth can prevail. May there be no fighting amongst true Christians, but let real Christianity shine forth, the Word of God proclaimed. May the Enemy be put to flight, and my hungry hearts and open ears and minds read the words God places here, and be fed by Him. We ask this in Jesus' precious name, Amen!!

Christianity

2007-03-14T10:52:14Z

PD Popejoy: Basic Intro to Christianity--Thank you for the opportunity to share

'''Christianity''' is the major world [[religion]], which importantly claims to be the only way to God. Jesus said "No man comes to the Father, but through me." He later proves how this is done, by resurrecting from the dead, conquering death, proving His claims to be the Son of God come to earth are true. He then offers eternal life to the entire world as a free gift, forgiveness by God to anyone who will believe in Him.

Christianity follows the teachings of the sixty-six books comprising the Old and New Testaments of the Holy Bible, said to be "inspired", which means God-breathed. God breathed out through His Spirit upon the authors of Holy Scripture what He wanted said. They did not invent the writings themselves, but wrote what He wanted said. (2 Tim.3:16,17; 2 Pet. 1: 19-21). The Old Testament has the books of God's revelations to the Jews, pointing to the ultimate revelation of God's Son come to earth in Jesus the Messiah. Many of the Jews became believers in Jesus when they saw Him risen from the dead, or saw from Scripture how He had fulfilled the prophecies of the Old Testament which only the Messiah could do. The New Testament books help give understanding of the meaning of the Old Testament books.

Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament, begins with God's creation of the world and Adam and Eve. They sin and rebel against God, and in that "fall" represented all of mankind; we were in their loins, so to speak, and were guilty too. We are born guilty of sin, but then also commit actual sin and are guilty before God ourselves. We have desperate need of God, yet our sin separates us from Him. We are "dead in our sins and trespasses", needing to be right with God, needing His blessings and His forgiveness and mercy and love. We cannot achieve that
ourselves, however. We need a Savior, and Scripture informs us that we are so evil, none of us wants God. Yet He, in love and mercy and grace for us, chose rather than destroy us in His holy and righteous wrath over our sin, to allow His only Son to bear that wrath and punishment we deserve, in our place. As our Substitute, He took the death punishment we deserve for our rebellion and sins against God. God the Father accepted Jesus' perfect atonement, since He Himself was without sin, and could be the "spotless Lamb" God had pre-figured in the Old Testament.

God had set up an elaborate system to show Israel their sinfulness compared to His holiness. Every sin had to be paid for by the shedding of blood, and this pointed forward to what Jesus Christ would do for the entire world. Instead of having to continually have an animal sacrificed and the blood applied to the person to cover their sins, in the fulness of time God sent His only Son, the Second Person of the Trinity, to become man and to be our representative before Him, as the "second Adam." He was sinless, so did not deserve God's wrath or death, and willingly accepted death in our place, for our sin, for our punishment, so that God's righteous justice could be met. The sin of the world was placed upon Christ when He was beaten and nailed to the cross at Calvary. Because He was God the Son, His infinite value paid for all our sins.

The Old Testament books point forward to a coming Messiah, and they call people to have faith in God, to believe, and we have the records of believers such as Moses and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, David etc. In faith they looked forward to the once-for-all Savior God would provide, and trusted God to keep His promise of saving them because of His grace and mercy. The New Testament books are eyewitness documents about that historical event of the promised Messiah's incarnation, and trace His lineage from Mary back to Adam and Eve. He is shown to be the promised "Seed" Who would step on Satan's head who caused the Fall and sin. He is shown to be the promised heir to Abraham and Isaac, and Jacob and David. 2000 years ago, all of world and Jewish history culminated in the life of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Christianity agrees there is only one God, as the Jews do, "Hear O Israel, the Lord thy God is One Lord" (Dt. 6:4), but they understand now how within that one God, there are three co-equal and co-eternal Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. This plurality within the Godhead was seen in Genesis, as God said "Let us make man in our image", or again when the Holy Spirit was seen "moving over the face of the waters" in creation. Each Person in the Trinity has their own individuality, yet each is fully Divine, eternal with no beginning or ending, uncreated, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent. The Father is not the Son, is not the Spirit; the Holy Spirit is not the Son nor the Father; the Son is not the Father nor the Spirit. Each is fully God, and the three Persons are the One and Only God. This is not a contradiction, as if saying 1+1+1=1, but as if saying 1x1x1=1. We do not have three Gods. Nor are each Person of the Trinity only part God. There are three Whos, and one What--One Deity, consisting of three Persons in the Trinity, Father, Who Jesus said no man has seen but Him, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus taught His disciples what we find in John 1: that "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God, and nothing that was made, was made without Him....and the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us.full of grace and truth, and we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father."(vss.1-2, 14).
Christianity believes Jesus Christ is fully God, eternally the Son, not created, and that He added to His Divine nature that of a human, so that He at His incarnation is now fully human as well. He was sinless, so did not deserve death Himself, and God raised Him from the dead(Acts 2:24; 10:40). Scripture also says He raised Himself from the dead. It states also that the Spirit raised Him from the dead (Rom.8:11). Jesus died for the sins of the world, not the Father or the Spirit. The Spirit has specific tasks He does, pointing us to our need for Jesus Christ. He "convicts the world of sin and of righteousness", the only righteousness being that which can be found in Jesus Christ, offered to us freely through grace, received through faith.

While size does not determine truth, for there are false religions which are large, Christianity is the world's largest religion, with over two billion members, and also happens to be true. Contradicting religious claims cannot both be true. Most people believe there are various roads to God, and want to think all religions are equal, or equally true. Jesus Christ claimed He alone is "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (Jn.14:6), and that his teachings were the Truth and that He is the only Way to the Father. Many roads and one road cannot both be true. Jesus' claims are proven true by His resurrection from the dead. This proves His claims to Deity, and the truthfulness of all His teachings and doctrines.

Christianity has three major branches, Protestantism, Catholicism, and Eastern orthodox, all of which agree and confess the basics found in the Apostle's and the Nicene Creeds, which are short summaries of the Biblical teachings from the early Christian church. Man-made statements are not inerrant as are the inspired Scriptures, nor are they supplemental to Scripture, and should not take away from the content of Scripture. For the most part, all branches of Christianity hold to these creeds as being good statements of the Christian faith:

Apostle's Creed (2nd century)

"We believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ His only Son our Lord, Who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. The third day He rose again from the dead. He ascended in heaven and sits on the right hand of the Father Almighty, from where He shall come to judge the living and the dead. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting."

The Nicene Creed is similar: (325 A.D.)

"We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Chrsit, the only-begotten Son of god, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very god, begotten, not made, being of one substnce withthe Father by whom all things were made; Who for us men, and for our salvaiton, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father. And He shall come again with glory to judge both the living and the dead, and His kingdom shall have no end. And we beleive in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and giver of Life, Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."

== Beliefs ==
Christians believe that [[Jesus|Jesus Christ]] died for their sins and rose from the dead three days after dying. They believe this because Jesus appeared not only to the Twelve Apostles, and to His family, but to over 500 eyewitnesses, and most of those were still around at the time Scripture was being written, and could be talked to about what they saw. (1 Cor.15:3-8). The resurrected Jesus was seen by eyewitnesses over a 40-day period, eating and drinking with them, teaching them, showing them from the Old Testament Scriptures how He fulfilled those promises by God. Only He in love could pay for the sins of the entire world.

Christian beliefs are not some sort of blind faith, but rather a faith based on evidence. God created our minds, and does not call us to believe something when there is no evidence. We believe God is powerful because we see the evidence in His creation (Romans 1). The Jews saw the evidence of Him in their lives and were called to believe and trust Him based on those evidences. So too He calls us to believe, based on the evidences of eyewitness, first-hand accounts of people who had been healed by Him, or raised from the dead by Him, or who had been taught by Him, or who had seen Him and touched Him and verified for themselves that this was not a hoax, not a hallucination, but a real resurrection, by the real Messiah, Who is offering God's reconciliation and our redemption from sin by His shed blood.

All other religions are false, grounded upon false claims, false evidences, and can be proven to be so. Christianity was obviously true, even to people at the time who did not want to believe, because it would upset their power structure. The Jewish leaders threatened to kill those who had seen him risen. Both secular and Jewish religious leaders put those who began to believe in Jesus as the Christ to death. If they had merely been lying, making up the story of His resurrection, they certainly would have said something--"Wait, here's his body!" or "No, I've been lying, I didn't see Him risen!" But they couldn't say those things, because it just wasn't true, and they knew it. They had seen Jesus Christ risen, and they knew what it meant: He is Lord and He is Savior, the Son of God and the son of man. He is to be worshipped, and honored, and followed and trusted.

Christians believe that when one accepts these historic facts of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus, and when one turns to God in repentance for their sins and in belief towards God, that God regenerates the person, giving him a new spiritual nature, and he is "born again." Jesus said "Unless you are born again, you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven."(John 3:3). God is so holy, and we are so sinful, we must have new, sinless natures, and the only way we receive them is when God gives them to us when we turn to Him in faith and trust, believing Jesus died for our sins on the cross, believing He rose from the dead, and that He forgives us and offers us His love, mercy, grace, and new life, a life to be with Him in eternity forever.

Even our ability to believe is a gift from God, He says, "so that no man may boast." All of our salvation is from Him, beginning to end, and He alone receives the glory. We are undeserving, unable to merit His favor, but because of the atonement provided by Jesus, we are justified before the Father, and He accepts Jesus death in our place, and in turn offers us the righteousness of Christ. He clothes us with Christ's righteousness, and sees us as holy when we are believers in Christ(Romans). We still have our old sin nature until we die, but we also have our new nature with which we trust in Christ's atonement for us. We will sin, but the Apostle Paul says "it is no longer I who sin, but sin which dwelleth in me." Christians try not to sin, because with this new, born again nature, we now hate to sin, and love holiness. We want to please God, and we try to keep the two most important commandments Jesus taught: To love God with our whole heart soul, mind, and self, and to love our neighbor as ourselves (Mark 12:30,31).
Out of gratitude for Christ's works for us we serve Him and want to obey, and we understand that nothing we do earns our salvation; it is His works, not ours.

Christianity teaches two basic sacraments of baptism and the Lord's Supper. Believers in Christ are to be baptized in water. Water had always been seen in Scripture as cleansing, and life-giving, powerful and necessary. Romans 6:4 says that in baptism: "We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life." Baptism is not merely symbolic, representing what Jesus did in His death, but an actual dying to our sins, and a raising of us up by God in newness of forgiven life. It is a one-time rite done at the beginning of a Christian's profession of faith.

Christians also believe in the Lord's Supper, which Jesus said "This is My Body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me." He took bread and wine and said "Take eat, this is My Body shed for you, for the forgiveness of your sins" and "Take and drink, this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many, for the forgiveness of your sins"(Lk.2; Mt.26, Mk.14). Christians celebrate this communion at Church, a time of reflection upon their sins, repentance, and receiving afresh God's promise of forgiveness and grace through the death of Jesus for us.

People can claim to be Christians, yet not be so. Jesus said that just as weeds grow along with the wheat, so there will be non-believers with the believers, wolves and false-teachers among the lambs. He said to leave them, for perhaps they would turn to God seeking His mercy, and that He will be their judge. We will see differences in denominations, differences among people claiming to be Christians, but only God can see the heart. We ask for an outward confession of faith, and if the person does so, we also look for spiritual growth, for fruit in their lives--evidence that the Holy Spirit is working in them. "Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness and self control" are evidences of the Holy Spirit, as is good doctrine, speaking truthfully, being faithful to Scripture, and loving God with our whole heart, soul, mind and strength, and our neighbors as ourselves.

So when a poll says this is what Christians believe, it is not necessarily so. All Christians believe the same fundamental, basic things. This is called orthodoxy. Someone who does not believe the basics, is not orthodox, and is heretical or not Christian. An example would be an online Harris poll from 2003 <ref>http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=359</ref> 99% of all American Christians believe in God, 96% in the resurrection of [[Jesus|Jesus Christ]], 93% in [[Heaven| Heaven]], 93% in the [[Virgin Birth|virgin birth]], 92% in survival of the soul after death, 82% in [[Hell|Hell]], 50% in [[Ghosts|ghosts]], 27% in [[Astrology|Astrology]] and 21% in [[Reincarnation|reincarnation]].

Claiming that the 4% do not believe in the resurrection of Christ are still Christians, would be false. Christianity is founded upon the resurrection of Christ. Liberal denominations often change Scripture or change its interpretation to have it mean what they want, rather than what it actually teaches. If someone refuses to believe in miracles, despite the evidence, he refuses to believe in the resurrection of Christ, despite the evidence, and that is not an honest way to approach those facts evidence. We cannot pick and choose what we want to believe from God's Word. Holy Scripture is His revelation to us of the things we need to know. He tells us what is right and wrong, what is sin and not sin. Scripture teaches that there is only one way to God, and that it is "appointed to man once to die, and after that the judgment" (Heb.9:27). Christianity does not believe therefore, in reincarnation.

Christianity does believe in an invisible realm which includes fallen angels, demons who try to lead people away from the truths about God. Christians learn what the doctrines of Christianity are by studying the Word of God and reading what God has placed there for our understanding and knowledge. Even though we cannot see the evil spirits, we are taught about the demonic warfare of which we are a part, and taught to fight against Satan (Eph.6). We are protected by the covering we have as beleivers in Christ, "the breastplate of righteousness" being the righteousness of Christ we have received through faith. We stand in His armor, and need not fear our enemy, "but having done all, stand." He fights our battles and protects us.

== Controversy ==
It is a misunderstanding that there is much conflict or different thought within Christianity on certain issues. Christians get their truth from Scripture, and usually it is those who do not hold to Scripture who are the ones trying to drill up controversy.

It is a misunderstanding that only "fundamentalists" are those who are morally conservative in their Christian beliefs. Fundamentalism in Christianity began around the 1900s when the basics of Christianity were stressed again: the inerrancy of Scripture, the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, mankind's sinfulness, Salvation through the death of Jesus by Grace Alone on account of Christ Alone, salvation received through Faith Alone; the Second Coming of Christ. These were called Fundamentals, and all Christians held to them.

Some Christians are more legalistic, not fully understanding the salvation of grace offered solely on account of Christ's works, and they tend to emphasize their own works and attempts at holiness more, and are known as fundamentalists. That is not, however, the negative category we see in other "fundamentalist" groups, such as in Islam.

Christians want to live holy lives, but should do so in the understanding that all their actions are less than perfect, but are received by God on account of the righteousness of Christ covering us with His holiness. Holy living is good. Obeying the Word of God is godd. All Christians are against abortion, because Scripture teaches that we are 1)not to murder, and 2)it also showed babies in the womb as being living human beings. John the Baptist was able to have a spiritual awareness when in the presence of Jesus Christ, and leapt in the womb for joy.3) Ps.139 refers to God forming us in the womb. Since we do not know when our immaterial nature exists, from conception or slightly thereafter, because Scripture does not say, yet we do know that murder is wrong, we ask people to adopt their baby out, rather than have an abortion.

Scripture says that homosexuality is "an abomination" to God (Dt.18) and is a perversion against nature(Rom.1). Because it is God Who gives life and families and children, marriage is a holy sacrament, and families are to be desired the way He as our Creator intended for us. So Christians understand the importance of family, of real love, and are against homosexuality, while still loving the person who struggles with the sin. The sin is not denied, however, and the full text of Scripture is proclaimed, because it is the Word of God. God wants what is best for His creation, but our society's depth of sinful depravity can barely recognize sin as sin anymore. It is the duty of Christianity to preach the Law as well as the Gospel, the truth of God as revealed in Scripture. It is not loving our fellow humans if we do not tell them the full message God has revealed in Holy Scripture.

God says fornication is sin, and adultery is sin. Christians agree. The Bible does not state when God created the world, only that He did the creating, and that Adam and Eve were in His image. So Christians do not hold to the theory of evolution, although they have differing opinions as to the length of creation, whether it was a literal 7-day creation, or over a period of time.

All Christians believe in hell for those who do not accept Jesus Christ, because Jesus taught this. He taught them to repent, to turn away from their sins, and to beleive in Him. "No man cometh to the Father but by me." If we don't want to receive God's forgiveness, His love, His mercy, His blessings, His new life, His purpose for our lives, His gift of eternity with Him, He will not force Himself upon us. But why reject Him? We all want and need to be loved, and only He can love us and knows us entirely. "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." He knew our sin, yet loved us, and wants us to be with Him. We have no good reason to reject Him!

Christianity competes in the marketplace of ideas in the world with many religions and secular philosophies. It stands alone for Truth. It has proven over 2000 years to have solid evidence for its claims. Individual Christian lives are changed, and an eternity with Christ is anticipated. Until Jesus' Second Coming, (which He said would be soon, but that He is waiting out of mercy so that some would repent and turn to Him), we are to be evangelizing and making disciples.(Mt.28:19,20). We are to share God's Commandments,the Law, telling people of their sins that make them guilty before God, and then of the good news of the Gospel that God is offering them forgiveness and reconciliation through the shed blood of Jesus on the cross for them. We are then to teach and disciple them about the content of Holy Scripture.

"If you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). He promises, and God does not lie.

== See also ==

*[[Catholic Church]] (the original Christian Church)
*[[Roman Catholic Church]] (Western branch of the Catholic Church)
*[[Orthodox Church]] (Eastern branch of the Catholic Church)
*[[Christian apologetics]] (Defenses of Christianity)
*[[Conservative Christianity]]
*[[Liberal Christianity]]
*[[Judaism]]
*[[Islam]]

==References==
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[[Category:Religion]]

Conservapedia:Abuse

2007-03-14T06:11:53Z

PD Popejoy:

===Christianity===
The page has been blocked to prevent editing, which I would normally commend had the content been accurate, except that the existing definition of Christianity is a weak rendition of the actual Biblical revelation. It should not be defined by a Harris poll! If you are to be any better than Wikipedia, you must want truth to be objectively stated. For something as important as one's eternal relationship with God Himself, the information better be accurate!

In Wikipedia, when Christians try to edit, say to some cult's page, the cult members merely come and erase it and edit it out. Truth doesn't matter to the site, and they allow the false claims to continue. That should be different here! Truth is objective, and can be known by anyone, believer or unbeliever in Christianity. Facts are still facts. But we can only write articles to the level of our knowledge. Whoever wrote, wrote what he could, but it can be improved, and should be allowed to be improved.

I would suggest a respected editorial Board for Christian issues. All Christian denominations surprisingly agree on the basics such as are in the Apostle's and Nicene Creeds of the Church. There is one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit; Jesus is fully God and flly man; He died and rose physically from the dead; He offers salvation solely on account of His grace, His works on our behalf, as our Substitute, taking the wrath of God due us. God calls us to repent and believe, and that faith is a "gift, that no man may boast."(Eph.2:8,9). Our salvation is because of the works of Christ alone, and we have this knowledge from inspired Scripture alone, etc.

All three major branches of Christianity, Protestantism, Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy would agree that Mormonism or Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian denominations, but rather non-Christian cults or religions. But in order to show the truth of various claims, there must be accuracy in reporting the facts -- objectivity. As it is right now, the definition of Christianity is far too limited.

Who do we talk to in order to submit changes for its editing?
Thank you,

PD Popejoy
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<center><big>''Justice never sleeps''</big></center>

This is where you can report abuse of editing privileges. Please make notes short and concise. Crossed out notes have been dealt with.
=Current Alerts=

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===Liebniz===
I am asking that Leibniz be warned, if not temporarily banned, for repeatedly interjecting argumentative opinion into articles.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 17:04, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

===Creationism===

[[Creationism]]

Evolutionist JoshuaZ has arbitrarily erased the correct definition of Creationism two times now.

Issue #1:

I think it is logical and plain common sense that an evolutionist should have no say in defining his scientific rival because said rendering is bound to be riddled with bias and error.

Issue #2:

At any rate, I ask that my rendering of Creationism be reviewed by Administration to be the correct rendering and that JoshuaZ be informed of the ruling if in my favor.

''Proposed Rendering''

"Creationism is the belief that physical reality plainly reflects the work of invisible Divine power (Romans 1:20) and original causation of matter and life was by supernatural agency (Genesis 1:1; chapters 1 and 2). Universally, Creationism is the belief that a Creator is responsible for producing reality (general revelation) and that this revelation is the primary way of deducing the existence of said Deity. Based on observation, Creationism asserts scientific evidence is better explained when a Creator is presupposed to have created reality."

[[User:Ray Martinez|Ray Martinez]] 14:21, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

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==Finished==
I'm trying to upload a photo of a nokia mobile phone, and the server is abusing me. [[User:Ilove69|Ilove69]] 06:45, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
it says Could not copy file "/tmp/phpydXiTn" to "/home/conserv8/public_html/images/b/bd/Nokia.jpg". [[User:Ilove69|Ilove69]] 06:47, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
:We are having minor problems. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 16:00, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
[[User:CWilson]]; [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Divorce&diff=prev&oldid=31472 looks like an obvious parody] to me. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 13:14, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
*I'm not sure what you mean when you keep accusing people of "parody." Is parody quoting parts of the Bible you disagree with? Show me where they misrepresent truth found within the Bible when you make accusations please. [[User:Meekrok|Meekrok]] 13:22, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
:This is actually in the bible, but should be reworded. No Block. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 15:51, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
::Re "parody," see note below.<ref>"Parody" as used by Tsumetai means mocking conservatives by exaggerating real conservative views for comic effect. To take a less subtle example, at one point the Hillary Clinton article said "An appellate court reversed this ruling... She had the appellate court executed and drank the blood of the judges." Conservatives may believe many bad things about Clinton but not that. In my opinion, this ''is'' a parody, and the last sentence gives it away. But of course there's never any way to be sure. ~~~~</ref>

[[User:JC]] and [[User:Madonna]] should also be banned for their inappropriate names. No one should be permitted to call themselves by a holy name, and that should also include names that are blatantly imitating or abbreviating holy names. --[[User:Jlovesu|Jlovesu]] 13:05, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:JC]] looks suspicious; [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Earth&diff=31690&oldid=31686 this edit] seems a bit off to me. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 12:21, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:Tsumetai]] invites people return to hell. [[User:JC|JC]] 12:32, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

*No, not really. It's a screenshot. He was apparently amused when, due to the way MediaWiki works, Conservapedia seemed to be inviting ''him'' to return to Hell. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 12:37, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
:JC is the user's initials ,Madonna is good contributor. No Block. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 15:53, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:Meekrok]] - pi = 3? Flat Earther? Parody account. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 12:25, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

*No-- I'm not a parody, this is outrageous and offensive. Nothing I've said is against conservative views nor the Bible. [[User:Meekrok|Meekrok]] 12:27, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:Christianist]], vandalism pure and simple. Replacing articles with short sentences like "you can't call it vandalism if it's instantly revertable." [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 10:06, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
[[User:AschIafly]] impersonating our own Aschlafly; note that the first 'l' is actually a capital 'i'. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 09:43, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
:Blocked [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 15:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
[[User:Madonna]] Vandalism of "Satan" article --[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 12:08, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

* No-- I didn't vandalize the Satan article. I added the link to "Satanism" and somebody else (I don't remember who) made some prank edits right around the same time. --[[User:Madonna|Madonna]] 12:24, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

::My apologies, Madonna. Admin, disregard my first report.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 12:36, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:Rjohnson]] Vandalism of multiple pages --[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 12:10, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
: Agreed, he recently vandalized one of my recently created pages. --[[User:Meekrok|Meekrok]] 9:59, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
::Blocked [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 15:55, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
[[User:Zedek|Zedek]] for [[Crucifix]] and [[Premarital sex]].

[[User:Bonki]], created [[Mormonism]] with the prank content "Mormonism began in the late 1980s as a response to the New Romantic movement." (Article is now a redirect to [[Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints]]). Has a mix of valid edits (to [[John Milton]]) and strange edits. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 20:37, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:Wikilover]] for vandalism of [[Ronald Reagan]] page
:All three blocked. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 00:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
[[User:Richard]] for the unfunny, satirical [[Warren G. Harding]] page.
:Entry is good. No Block [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 00:26, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:Tsumetai]] for persistent vandalism of pages e.g. [[Wolfbagging]] with no justification.
:Not blockable, clean up [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 13:40, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:BaggerOfWolves]] and [[User:Smurge]] for [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Wolfbagging&oldid=28700 this page]. The page should be deleted, too. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 12:02, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

: Thanks. I cleaned up that stuff and blocked BaggerOfWolves for a month. I did not see sufficient basis for blocking Smurge--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 12:14, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

: Correction. I just blocked Smurge for a month for participating in that silly Wolfbagging entry.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 12:18, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:Luke-Jr]]. Doesn't believe in Vatican II and is rewriting Catholic-related items to call the current Pope a heretic. Perhaps a warning first? He seems to be doing it out of belief, not for the sake of vandalism.

: Just warned him. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 12:18, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

[[User:Weregerbil]]. Unhelpful edits. Try jawboning? At [[Conservapedia_Talk#Fellow_Conservapedians|Conservapedia Talk]] he asks Conservapedians to vandalize the user page of a Wikipedian whose Wikipedia account name is also Weregerbil. His [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Reality&diff=next&oldid=26221 third edit] here is the prank edit Steven Colbert asked his listeners to make at Wikipedia (though here it's just replacing another prank). [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 09:09, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

: Blocked for infinite duration. Thanks for the astute observation, Dpbsmith. By the way, obscenity in one edit gave him away. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:19, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

User [[User:BillyBoy]]; - blatant vandalism --[[User:AustinM|AustinM]] 08:40, 12 March 2007 (EDT)
:Agreed - Some of it is subtle, so it will take some work to revert. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 09:15, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

:: Several of his edits were inappropriate, and he's been blocked for a month. I don't think he falls into the category of vandalism, however.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:17, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

All four of these have been blocked, and their edits reverted. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:09, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

User [[User:Badnewswade]]; pick an [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Badnewswade example]. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 08:24, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

User [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Designee Designee] - blatant vandalism. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 07:38, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

User [[User:UncleO'Sama|UncleO'Sama]] is currently vandalizing the site--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 07:32, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

User [[User:Foxnewsforlife|Foxnewsforlife]] has been vandalizing pages.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 02:38, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

:All four above have been blocked, and their edits reverted. Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 10:09, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Two users (Boogerman and Repubssuck) seemed to go crazy this morning and vandalize more than 20 articles. Both should be blocked.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 08:28, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
: Agreed. [[Christianity]] was [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Christianity&diff=25117&oldid=24957 vandalized] with an insult about Christians being all gay. I removed that untrue statement. --[[User:Orion Blastar|Orion Blastar]] 08:35, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

::Both have been blocked. ~ [[User:SharonS|SharonS]] 11:33, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

User:ChooChoo is a blatant troll; see for example his article on [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Shellfish&diff=prev&oldid=26044 Shellfish]. User:Christ seems [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Category:Things_condemned_by_God&diff=prev&oldid=26062 extremely suspicious] too. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 16:01, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
::Christ is blocked. ChooChoo will be watched [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 21:51, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
He might just be a very hardcore Fundamentalist, you know--the bit about shellfish _IS_ in Leviticus. --[[User:Sandbagger|Sandbagger]] 16:15, 11 March 2007 (EDT)

Add User:Intelligent to the list of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Fallatio trolls who can't spell]. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 16:13, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
:No, add him to the list of trolls that are blocked. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 21:53, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
[[User:Sandbagger]] is vandalizing [[global warming]] with untrue and insulting statements. I am trying to revert or change them to more factual ones. --[[User:Orion Blastar|Orion Blastar]] 20:03, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
:Sandbagger cited his edits, therefore it is not vandalism. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 21:53, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
:: Actually he edited text and added insulting text in lines that used my citations, but his words were not part of the sources cited. For example "since the [[Evil Liberal Science Conspiracy]] will only provide grants for pro-Global Warming research" and that was not part of the citation someone else added, or "rather than some boring, obscure climatologist with no experience at public speaking who we can ignore conveniently" that had no citation source and was added to one of my entires. Even "Furthermore, Gore exhaled molecules of [[Carbon Dioxide]] while lecturing on tour, proving that he is a hypocrite who can be ignored without loss." was not cited either. The text was intended to insult and make the article less accurate. --[[User:Orion Blastar|Orion Blastar]] 22:36, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
:::Blocked, your assistance is appreciated. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 22:54, 11 March 2007 (EDT)
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<s>User:Cocks - inappropriate name, [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Plesiosaur&diff=28314&oldid=28311 inappropriate edits]</s>.

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: And yet it is necessary and proper that "evolutionists" - a true [[neologism]] - have a say in the biased rendition of scientific topics.--[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 18:18, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

== Ray Martinez ==

I take issue with your telling a user that he is not allowed to edit just because he is not a conservative. As long as people follow the Conservapedia Commandments, they ought to be allowed to post. There is no rule that states that we must be conservative. In fact, I can think of at least one sysop who isn't a conservative. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 18:43, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

: I think it is plain common sense that non-conservatives be disallowed to edit pages for factual content. How do you expect the conservative view of truth to be reflected if this rule is not in place?

:[[User:Ray Martinez|Ray Martinez]] 20:00, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

That's the spirit. ''ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Viewpoint!'' --[[User:BobA|BobA]] 20:53, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

By that logic Ray, you shouldn't be allowed to edit the pages for evolution, atheism, theistic evolution, Darwin, etc.--[[User:Murray|Murray]] 19:00, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

:This is not Wikipedia. How do you expect the pages on Evolution to have accurate information if Wikipedia-evolutionists write the page? Do Creationists get to write ANY page of this subject matter at Wikipedia?

:I am asking Administration to implement plain logic and common sense: only conservatives edit pages that are controversial because otherwise the Wikipedia pro-atheist view gets duplicated over here. If Administration rejects this logic and axiomatic truth then I am gone from here and do not want my name associated with a nonsensical reason for being (= conservative intent negated by allowing non-conservative participation).

:I suspect Administration is a little too flat headed and does not really stand for conservative viewpoint of facts across the board. They are more concerned with pseudo-objectivity than implementing their vision. You probably have nothing to worry about, atheist.

:[[User:Ray Martinez|Ray Martinez]] 19:59, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

:::Yeah, they kind of do. [[User:Linus M.|Geekman314]]([[User talk:Linus M.|contact me]]) 13:54, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

::You're just plain wrong, Ray. You're right that I disagree with you about evolution, etc. (presumably that's what you meant when you referred to me as "atheist."). And yet a couple of days ago you thanked me for "quality clean-up of the Darwin page" which doesn't seem to fit with your assumption that only conservatives can edit controversial pages to your satisfaction.--[[User:Murray|Murray]] 21:17, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

If you continue this generally incivil and confrontational tone, you'll find yourself blocked quite quickly. And controversial things (ideally ''everything'') on Conservapedia needs to be sourced. But the commandments demand a source (Commandment 1). --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 20:03, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

: Does your opinion have anything to do with the fact that you agree with my opponents? You have intentionally mischaracterized my views and revealed yourself emotionally attached. I suggest that you do not issue a veiled threat of censorship against me when you cannot refute. And nobody argued against having a source; you have set up a straw man.

:[[User:Ray Martinez|Ray Martinez]] 20:11, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

1) Please explain how I revealed myself "emotionally attached" anywhere in that comment.
2) ''You'' are the one attempting to censor opposing views; as long as people abide by the commandments (and warnings issued by sysops), they are free to edit. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 20:13, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

:By accusing me of something untrue: ''"If you continue this generally incivil and confrontational tone"'' which indicates rage - that's why you do it. And I am attempting to influence Administration to actually implement their vision of relaying the facts. This can only be achieved by disallowing non-conservatives from editing controversial pages. You guys can edit pages about France, bubble-gum, Britney Spears, dolphins etc.etc. but not about Creationism, Evolution, abortion, Constitution etc.etc. for obvious reasons. If you want your view heard then edit at Wikipedia. I am asking Administration; that's the way change is effected; request and argument. If they deny then I have lost.

:[[User:Ray Martinez|Ray Martinez]] 20:36, 12 March 2007 (EDT)\

Because obviously ''no'' good at all can come from the opposing viewpoint<nowiki></sarcasm></nowiki>. If they add their opinion, it will be easier for the conservative editors to find 50 sources to disprove the liberal arguments. --[[User:Hojimachong|'''Hojimachong''']][[User_Talk:Hojimachong|talk]] 20:42, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

== Cannibal corpse ==
Is the [[Cannibal corpse]] page appropriate for Conservapedia? [[User:CEinhorn|CEinhorn]] 00:53, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
:well what is cannibal corpse. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 00:54, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
::Apologies. I mis-capitalized it. [[User:CEinhorn|CEinhorn]] 01:16, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
:It had enough profanity on it that I just deleted it. In any event, a Satanic metal band (who hasn't been in the news or notable for anything else) has no place on Conservapedia. [[User:MountainDew|MountainDew]] 02:16, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

==User:Libertarian==
[[User:Libertarian]] has been blocked, but an admin ''really'' needs to check the edits and delete a few from history, not just the current version of the article, and delete the uploaded image, too! --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 10:33, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

User:Crimesofthelemon is a vandal. Edits have been RV but needs ban.
:Blocked and cleaned. [[User:Geo.plrd|Geo.]] 16:04, 13 March 2007 (EDT)
==Notes==
<references/>
[[User:Itsjustme]] is a liberal vandal.

==recent vandal==
There is an individual who raided many articles here, including [[Bible]], and moved the contents to new pages under new article titles that reflected his own contempt for this site, such as ''The Bible is for Cun...''you get the picture. With each ban he returned under a new name within minutes. We need an IP nuker up and operational here. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 23:08, 13 March 2007 (EDT)

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

2007-03-14T05:42:05Z

PD Popejoy:

The '''Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints,''' informally known as the '''LDS Church''' or the '''Mormons, ''' is a non-Christian religion founded by [[Joseph Smith]] in 1830, who claimed to have received a revelation from an Angel Moroni. In 1847, Mormons, led by [[Brigham Young]], travelled west to escape persecution and founded [[Salt Lake City, Utah]]. Salt Lake City is famous for its wide streets, which were made wide enough to allow a wagon team to turn around. Salt Lake City is home to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, which has been recording since 1910 and broadcasting since 1929. Its recordings usually feature hymns and patriotic music. The Choir has made five gold and two platinum recordings.
Members follow a law of health known as the Word of Wisdom that promotes healthy eating as well as avoiding tobacco, alcohol, coffee, tea and illegal drugs.<ref>[http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,1301-1,00.html The Word of Wisdom] Mormon.org</ref>

[[Category: Religion]]

''Mormonism is a non-Christian religion, using many of the same terms of Christianity, but re-defining the meanings completely. ''

Christians believe in only one God. Mormons believe there is one god of this universe, and other gods in other universes, and that their men will become gods on their own planets after death. That is re-defining the Christian meaning of God, revealed in the Bible. Christianity believes Jesus Christ is the second Person of the Trinity, eternally the Son of God. Mormons say they believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is defined as the spirit-brother of Lucifer, results of Adam-god having sex with Eve. That is a re-definition and contradictory to the Biblical definition of Jesus Christ.

Salvation in Christianity is one offered to the world solely because of the mercy and grace of Jesus Christ dying for the sins of the world, the Father accepting His atonement, and offering us forgiveness and reconciliation and redemption. Christian salvation is one we cannot earn, but is given to us by God's love and grace. Mormon salvation, is contrary, one where it supposedly is earned, merited by good works. Christianity's salvation is solely because of God: His work on our behalf, because we cannot save ourselves. Our sin is too great, and we do not want salvation. He in mercy saves us anyway, and calls us to believe and to receive His love. These are two contradictory religions. Both cannot be true.

Jesus Christ claimed to be God in the flesh, the Son of God, having added the attributes of a human nature to His eternal nature. As man's representative, He died for our sins, in our place, but because He also was God and sinless, death could not hold Him. He was raised from the dead, and has conquered death in our place. The punishment we deserve, He took instead. He offers us His mercy and love and grace--a "gift, lest any many boast" (Eph.2:8,9).

But the claims of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young contradict every claim of Christianity. Their history has been well-documented, and they have been shown to be frauds. Many of the people in Mormonism today are unaware of the differences, of the fraudulent claims and fraudulent history. They attempt to appear as just another Christian denominiation. Instead, Christian scholars view them as a non-Christian cult. Non-Christian scholars look at the evidence and agree: their claims are not what Christianity claims. It is deceptive on the part of the leadership, and that is a mild term for evil. They allow the promotion of families and healthy living, or their Mormon Tabernacle Choir, because it pulls in people. But they add to the Holy Scripture, and in fact re-define Scripture itself, and often the members are undiscerning.

The Apostle Paul said if anyone preaches a different Jesus or a different Gospel message than what he preached, they are to be accursed(Gal.1:8,9). Mormonism does just this. Their Jesus is a creation, rather than eternal God. That is a different Jesus. Their Gospel is one of works, where the members must give certain amounts of money to the church, do certain things in order to gain merit, gain favor, get salvation. That is contrary to the Gospel message of Christianity, where salvation is a free gift of God offered the world because of His love and grace alone, through Jesus Christ's works alone, received solely through faith, which itself is not something we 'do', but merely a trusting in and receiving of what He has done for us already on Calvary.

The Bible reveals only one God, and that God is three in Person: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. Non-Christian Mormonism redefines God into another god entirely, which really is no god at all.

==Mormons relationship to Christianity==

Mormons are not merely "somewhat out of the mainstream" of U. S. Christian denominations, but not a Christian denomination at all. All three branches of Christianity, (Protestantism, Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy), and all Protestant denominations, disagree with the doctrines of Mormonism. Christian authority is derived from God's Word itself, not man's traditions, nor man's claims to authority together with or above Scripture itself. God's revelation is contained in the sixty-six books of the Bible. Mormonism accepts supposed angelic revelation given to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, recorded in their two main works, [[The Book of Mormon]] and [[The Pearl of Great Price]]. The supposed revelation invents an entirely contrary religion than Christianity.

While they claim to also believe the [[King James Bible]], the two contradictory holdings cannot be held together. In logic, "A cannot equal non-A." Christianity's content and Mormon content are contradictory, and are not the same, nor similar. These supposed revelations by Smith and Young claim to surpass and supercede the Biblical content. They do this by re-defining the meanings of Who God is, and what He expects from us, and what He has done for us in Jesus Christ. They have elevated these other contrary writings above the Biblical authority. 2 Timothy 3:16,17 explains how the Scripture alone is inspired by God, and profitable for teaching and equipping us. This is a crucial issue upon which our eternal salvation rests. Where do we go to find truth? All claims are to be tested against God's word. Paul commended the Bereans, calling them noble for going to the Scriptures every day to compare what he was teaching, to see if the things he taught were true.(Acts.17). We are to do the same with any new claim.

"Nevertheless, modern Mormons consider themselves to be Christians." That claim is like saying "Democrats consider themselves to be Republicans." Many Mormons may be ignorant of how far off from Christianity they are, and it is the responsibility of Christians to continue spreading the good news of the real Gospel and the real Jesus so that those who have been deceived may be freed from their sins through the free gift of the real Jesus.

The LDS website says "We believe in the Jesus of the New Testament, and we believe what the New Testament teaches about Him. We do believe things about Jesus that other Christians do not believe, but that is because we know, through revelation, things about Jesus that others do not know."<ref>[http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/answer/0,9777,1601-1-56-16,00.html </ref>

The Bible says not to add to nor subtract from its content as the very Word of God. (Revelation 22:18-20). The New Testament authors taught that the mysteries of the past had now been revealed through Jesus Christ (Rom.16:25,16); the mysteries were now known in Jesus Christ's incarnation: that salvation was through faith in Jesus Christ's works, received through faith alone. All "new revelation" is to be tested by Scripture, and the Mormon claims of new revelation fall short of Biblical claims drastically, being a cult, and not a Christian denomination with merely a slight difference of opinion here or there. The claims are contradictory, and cannot both be true. There cannot be one God, yet many gods; salvation through grace alone on account of Christ alone, yet salvation only through doing the things which the LDS church tells you to do; etc.

[[An excellent reference book on cults such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism is "The Kingdom of the Cults" by Dr. Walter Martin. His tapes on the subject can be heard in the Listening Library at http://waltermartin.org. Another reputable source would be the Utah Lighthouse Ministry of Sandra and Gerald Tanner, http://www.utlm.org. The Christian Research Institute, with Hank Hanegraaf is a well-respected, anti-cult apologetic ministry: http://equip.org]]

The good news is, the Bible is available to all, and God has placed His message there for those Who want the Truth. For 2000 years Christianity has had eyewitness testimony in the Bible that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, proving His claims to be God the Son in human flesh. He believed the Old Testament as the very Word of God. And He gave His stamp of approval on the soon-to-be-written New Testament of His eyewitnesses. He taught there was only One God, Who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He taught that salvation is something we cannot earn, but that God offers us freely and in unmerited favor on account of the death of Jesus in our place, as our Substitute. This is "without price" from us (Rev22:17). He taught that He would forgive us, would give us eternal life with Him, if we would believe. Christianity calls us to repent and believe on the real Jesus Christ, the real God, the real message of salvation. Mormonism is not a Christian denomination or sect, but a non-Christian religion. --[[User:PD Popejoy|PD Popejoy]] 01:38, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

==Polygamy==
Early prejudice against Mormons was sparked in part by its early practice of [[polygamy]], which was sanctioned from 1840 until 1890. Even though it was officially discontinued in 1890, Mormonism and polygamy continue to be associated in the popular mind.

A 1998 statement by LDS Present Gordon B. Hinckley states:
:This Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. . . . If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.<ref>[http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/answer/0,9777,1601-1-114-1,00.html What is the Church’s position on polygamy?] LDS website</ref>

However, in addition to "the" LDS Church (the 11-million-member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), there continue to be small splinter groups, which also consider themselves to be Mormons and do practice polygamy. The most notable is the "Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (often called "Fundamentalist Mormons.") This group numbers about ten thousand. It broke from the Mormon church in 1890 over the issue of polygamy. It made headlines in 2006 and 2007, when leader Warren Jeffs was arrested by the FBI and indicted by a grand jury on charges of arranging illegal "marriages" between male followers and underage girls.

==References==
<references/>

==External Links==
*[http://www.lds.org Official Church Website]
*[http://www.mormon.org Official Church Website for Investigators]

[[Category:Religion]]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints

2007-03-14T05:38:51Z

PD Popejoy: Mormonism is not a denomination or branch of Christianity.

The '''Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints,''' informally known as the '''LDS Church''' or the '''Mormons, ''' was founded by [[Joseph Smith]] in 1830, who claimed to have received a revelation from the Angel Moroni. It migrated from New York to Illinois to Utah where they have many members there and worldwide. The Mormons perform enormous amounts of missionary activity. Today, there are about 11 million Mormons.

The Mormons, like other small denominations, have been the target of discrimination. Mormons are depicted as "bad guys" in Arthur Conan Doyle's 1890 novel, ''A Study in Scarlet,'' and Zane Grey's 1912 ''Riders of the Purple Sage.''

In 1847, Mormons, led by [[Brigham Young]], travelled west to escape persecution and founded [[Salt Lake City, Utah]]. Salt Lake City is famous for its wide streets, which were made wide enough to allow a wagon team to turn around. Salt Lake City is home to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, which has been recording since 1910 and broadcasting since 1929. Its recordings usually feature hymns and patriotic music. The Choir has made five gold and two platinum recordings.

Church members follow a law of health known as the Word of Wisdom that promotes healthy eating as well as avoiding tobacco, alcohol, coffee, tea and illegal drugs.<ref>[http://www.mormon.org/learn/0,8672,1301-1,00.html The Word of Wisdom] Mormon.org</ref>

[[Category: Religion]]

''Mormonism is a non-Christian religion, using many of the same terms of Christianity, but re-defining the meanings completely. ''

Christians believe in only one God. Mormons believe there is one god of this universe, and other gods in other universes, and that their men will become gods on their own planets after death. That is re-defining the Christian meaning of God, revealed in the Bible. Christianity believes Jesus Christ is the second Person of the Trinity, eternally the Son of God. Mormons say they believe in Jesus, but their Jesus is defined as the spirit-brother of Lucifer, results of Adam-god having sex with Eve. That is a re-definition and contradictory to the Biblical definition of Jesus Christ.

Salvation in Christianity is one offered to the world solely because of the mercy and grace of Jesus Christ dying for the sins of the world, the Father accepting His atonement, and offering us forgiveness and reconciliation and redemption. Christian salvation is one we cannot earn, but is given to us by God's love and grace. Mormon salvation, is contrary, one where it supposedly is earned, merited by good works. Christianity's salvation is solely because of God: His work on our behalf, because we cannot save ourselves. Our sin is too great, and we do not want salvation. He in mercy saves us anyway, and calls us to believe and to receive His love. These are two contradictory religions. Both cannot be true.

Jesus Christ claimed to be God in the flesh, the Son of God, having added the attributes of a human nature to His eternal nature. As man's representative, He died for our sins, in our place, but because He also was God and sinless, death could not hold Him. He was raised from the dead, and has conquered death in our place. The punishment we deserve, He took instead. He offers us His mercy and love and grace--a "gift, lest any many boast" (Eph.2:8,9).

But the claims of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young contradict every claim of Christianity. Their history has been well-documented, and they have been shown to be frauds. Many of the people in Mormonism today are unaware of the differences, of the fraudulent claims and fraudulent history. They attempt to appear as just another Christian denominiation. Instead, Christian scholars view them as a non-Christian cult. Non-Christian scholars look at the evidence and agree: their claims are not what Christianity claims. It is deceptive on the part of the leadership, and that is a mild term for evil. They allow the promotion of families and healthy living, or their Mormon Tabernacle Choir, because it pulls in people. But they add to the Holy Scripture, and in fact re-define Scripture itself, and often the members are undiscerning.

The Apostle Paul said if anyone preaches a different Jesus or a different Gospel message than what he preached, they are to be accursed(Gal.1:8,9). Mormonism does just this. Their Jesus is a creation, rather than eternal God. That is a different Jesus. Their Gospel is one of works, where the members must give certain amounts of money to the church, do certain things in order to gain merit, gain favor, get salvation. That is contrary to the Gospel message of Christianity, where salvation is a free gift of God offered the world because of His love and grace alone, through Jesus Christ's works alone, received solely through faith, which itself is not something we 'do', but merely a trusting in and receiving of what He has done for us already on Calvary.

The Bible reveals only one God, and that God is three in Person: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, co-eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. Non-Christian Mormonism redefines God into another god entirely, which really is no god at all.

==Mormons relationship to Christianity==

Mormons are not merely "somewhat out of the mainstream" of U. S. Christian denominations, but not a Christian denomination at all. All three branches of Christianity, (Protestantism, Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy), and all Protestant denominations, disagree with the doctrines of Mormonism. Christian authority is derived from God's Word itself, not man's traditions, nor man's claims to authority together with or above Scripture itself. God's revelation is contained in the sixty-six books of the Bible. Mormonism accepts supposed angelic revelation given to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, recorded in their two main works, [[The Book of Mormon]] and [[The Pearl of Great Price]]. The supposed revelation invents an entirely contrary religion than Christianity.

While they claim to also believe the [[King James Bible]], the two contradictory holdings cannot be held together. In logic, "A cannot equal non-A." Christianity's content and Mormon content are contradictory, and are not the same, nor similar. These supposed revelations by Smith and Young claim to surpass and supercede the Biblical content. They do this by re-defining the meanings of Who God is, and what He expects from us, and what He has done for us in Jesus Christ. They have elevated these other contrary writings above the Biblical authority. 2 Timothy 3:16,17 explains how the Scripture alone is inspired by God, and profitable for teaching and equipping us. This is a crucial issue upon which our eternal salvation rests. Where do we go to find truth? All claims are to be tested against God's word. Paul commended the Bereans, calling them noble for going to the Scriptures every day to compare what he was teaching, to see if the things he taught were true.(Acts.17). We are to do the same with any new claim.

"Nevertheless, modern Mormons consider themselves to be Christians." That claim is like saying "Democrats consider themselves to be Republicans." Many Mormons may be ignorant of how far off from Christianity they are, and it is the responsibility of Christians to continue spreading the good news of the real Gospel and the real Jesus so that those who have been deceived may be freed from their sins through the free gift of the real Jesus.

The LDS website says "We believe in the Jesus of the New Testament, and we believe what the New Testament teaches about Him. We do believe things about Jesus that other Christians do not believe, but that is because we know, through revelation, things about Jesus that others do not know."<ref>[http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/answer/0,9777,1601-1-56-16,00.html </ref>

The Bible says not to add to nor subtract from its content as the very Word of God. (Revelation 22:18-20). The New Testament authors taught that the mysteries of the past had now been revealed through Jesus Christ (Rom.16:25,16); the mysteries were now known in Jesus Christ's incarnation: that salvation was through faith in Jesus Christ's works, received through faith alone. All "new revelation" is to be tested by Scripture, and the Mormon claims of new revelation fall short of Biblical claims drastically, being a cult, and not a Christian denomination with merely a slight difference of opinion here or there. The claims are contradictory, and cannot both be true. There cannot be one God, yet many gods; salvation through grace alone on account of Christ alone, yet salvation only through doing the things which the LDS church tells you to do; etc.

[[An excellent reference book on cults such as Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism is "The Kingdom of the Cults" by Dr. Walter Martin. His tapes on the subject can be heard in the Listening Library at http://waltermartin.org. Another reputable source would be the Utah Lighthouse Ministry of Sandra and Gerald Tanner, http://www.utlm.org. The Christian Research Institute, with Hank Hanegraaf is a well-respected, anti-cult apologetic ministry: http://equip.org]]

The good news is, the Bible is available to all, and God has placed His message there for those Who want the Truth. For 2000 years Christianity has had eyewitness testimony in the Bible that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, proving His claims to be God the Son in human flesh. He believed the Old Testament as the very Word of God. And He gave His stamp of approval on the soon-to-be-written New Testament of His eyewitnesses. He taught there was only One God, Who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He taught that salvation is something we cannot earn, but that God offers us freely and in unmerited favor on account of the death of Jesus in our place, as our Substitute. This is "without price" from us (Rev22:17). He taught that He would forgive us, would give us eternal life with Him, if we would believe. Christianity calls us to repent and believe on the real Jesus Christ, the real God, the real message of salvation. Mormonism is not a Christian denomination or sect, but a non-Christian religion. --[[User:PD Popejoy|PD Popejoy]] 01:38, 14 March 2007 (EDT)

==Polygamy==
Early prejudice against Mormons was sparked in part by its early practice of [[polygamy]], which was sanctioned from 1840 until 1890. Even though it was officially discontinued in 1890, Mormonism and polygamy continue to be associated in the popular mind.

A 1998 statement by LDS Present Gordon B. Hinckley states:
:This Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. . . . If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church.<ref>[http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/answer/0,9777,1601-1-114-1,00.html What is the Church’s position on polygamy?] LDS website</ref>

However, in addition to "the" LDS Church (the 11-million-member Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), there continue to be small splinter groups, which also consider themselves to be Mormons and do practice polygamy. The most notable is the "Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (often called "Fundamentalist Mormons.") This group numbers about ten thousand. It broke from the Mormon church in 1890 over the issue of polygamy. It made headlines in 2006 and 2007, when leader Warren Jeffs was arrested by the FBI and indicted by a grand jury on charges of arranging illegal "marriages" between male followers and underage girls.

==References==
<references/>

==External Links==
*[http://www.lds.org Official Church Website]
*[http://www.mormon.org Official Church Website for Investigators]

[[Category:Religion]]