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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;SGropers: /* Fosters = water */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Faunæ ==&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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They're just vandals [[User:Niandra|niandra]] 07:49, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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== This article is ridiculous ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Irrelevent information, bad spelling. Is it a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Medals dangling from hats??? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Invasion of New Zealand ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Invasion of New Zealand by Australians linked to British Forces. &lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continental boundaries ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Flag ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That said the [[Template:User_Australian]] has got it at 45px with no problems...[[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:43, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Actually it works for all values except for 99px and 100px [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:48, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{template|Part of this article was copied from [[Citizendium]] but the copied text was originally written by me, RJJensen (under the name Richard Jensen) and does not include alterations made by others on that site.||category=Copied Articles}} [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:59, 4 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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They're just vandals [[User:Niandra|niandra]] 07:49, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Irrelevent information, bad spelling. Is it a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Medals dangling from hats??? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Australia</title>
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Australia</title>
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That said the [[Template:User_Australian]] has got it at 45px with no problems...[[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:43, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Actually it works for all values except for 99px and 100px [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:48, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Irrelevent information, bad spelling. Is it a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That said the [[Template:User_Australian]] has got it at 45px with no problems...[[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:43, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Actually it works for all values except for 99px and 100px [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:48, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Irrelevent information, bad spelling. Is it a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Faunæ ==&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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== This article is ridiculous ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Irrelevent information, bad spelling. Is it a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Medals dangling from hats??? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Invasion of New Zealand ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Invasion of New Zealand by Australians linked to British Forces. &lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continental boundaries ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Flag ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That said the [[Template:User_Australian]] has got it at 45px with no problems...[[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:43, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Actually it works for all values except for 99px and 100px [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:48, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::{{template|Part of this article was copied from [[Citizendium]] but the copied text was originally written by me, RJJensen (under the name Richard Jensen) and does not include alterations made by others on that site.||category=Copied Articles}} [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 13:59, 4 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Terms ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Irrelevent information, bad spelling. Is it a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Medals dangling from hats??? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Invasion of New Zealand ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Invasion of New Zealand by Australians linked to British Forces. &lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continental boundaries ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Irrelevent information, bad spelling. Is it a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Medals dangling from hats??? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Invasion of New Zealand ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continental boundaries ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::That said the [[Template:User_Australian]] has got it at 45px with no problems...[[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:43, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::Actually it works for all values except for 99px and 100px [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:48, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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== This article is ridiculous ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Irrelevent information, bad spelling. Is it a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Medals dangling from hats??? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Invasion of New Zealand ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Invasion of New Zealand by Australians linked to British Forces. &lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continental boundaries ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::What a weird bug!  I've made it 101px and it works.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:00, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Liberal Party ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Again the somewhat unusual US usage of the word &amp;quot;liberal&amp;quot; rears its head.  The Australian Labor Party is not &amp;quot;more liberal&amp;quot; than the Liberal Party.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 00:38, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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''&amp;quot;The amazing thing about Australian native animals like the koala and the kangaroo is that they have the amazing ability to adapt to living in densely populated urban areas. Kangaroos are frequently sighted roaming the streets of Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this encyclopædia, and that's saying something. I've removed this from this article, because it is a blatant untruth. If an American is going to write an article about Australia, the do a little research and don't just write about a stereotype.&lt;br /&gt;
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We don't drink Foster's, you can't even find it at most bars. Dingoes don't eat our babies. We don't all wear slouch hats, and we don't kick people with giant boots as a punishment. If you're interested in learning more visit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia this article.] [[User:Dallas|Dallas]] 07:02, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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They're just vandals [[User:Niandra|niandra]] 07:49, 16 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Aren't kangaroos becoming somewhat of a nuisance in public places?  I would imagine that much like deer here in the US, as their population grows, they start wandering into developed areas looking for food.  Now when I was visiting Australia last year I did only see them in the outback and Adelaide area and nowhere near Sydney.  Also, I did find it funny that Budweiser was the import of choice.  VB ... awesome, I wish they sold it here. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 14:30, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I live half an hour's drive from the city of Melbourne in a fairly bushy (wooded, I think the Americans would say) suburb. We have a large number of roos around our area but we are probably the closest to the city to have roos.  They are almost in plague proportions in some country areas although the drought seems to be culling them in some ways.  I have no idea who would think that Bud is the import of choice!  I can't think of a bottle shop (Australian for Liquor Store) that sells it.  If there is an import of choice at the moment I suspect it would be Guinness, Heinekin (sp?), Asahi, Stella Artois.  If you go to [http://www.tastebeer.com.au/rated-beers/ this beer page] you will see that Bud comes in at number 61.  VB (Victoria Bitter) is the highest selling beer in Australia at the moment but tends to be fairly predicatable, if not dull after a while.  Coopers, Boags, Cascade and James Squires all are smaller breweries that are doing very very well at the moment in Australia - my favourite at the moment is James Squires.  So Kangaroos and beer - all we need now is a shrimp on the barbie (whatever that means!)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::More randomness: I guess I meant American Import of choice.  James Squires was good, as were Cooper and Boags.  I also liked XXXX and Toohey's Dark (I think thats what it was).  I also lucked out to get a &amp;quot;Boony Doll&amp;quot;, but it started to randomly talk in the middle of the night so I had to remove the batteries. [[User:Jrssr5|Jrssr5]] 10:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Getting way OT! Boony Dolls - fantastic! Toohey's Old is a wonderful dark ale - not as appreciated as it should be. I suspect Bud being the American import of choice is purely due to the fact that there aren't a lot of American beers around here - Millers has done reasonably well.  I like a Sam Addams but they are not easy to find.  XXXX (the way Queenslanders spell BEER) was huge in the 1980s but has faded away to being a fairly local brew these days.  I might put an article together on Australian beer in my more idle hours.&lt;br /&gt;
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Irrelevent information, bad spelling. Is it a joke?&lt;br /&gt;
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== Medals dangling from hats??? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you serious?  That sounds like nonsense to me.  --[[User:Horace|Horace]] 07:30, 19 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I suspect this is a strange mix of the swagman (an Australian hobo who, if stereotyped, wears a hat with corks dangling from it to keep the flies away) and the returned soldier, who wears his medals on his chest as is custom in most countries. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:10, 21 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Invasion of New Zealand ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Invasion of New Zealand by Australians linked to British Forces. &lt;br /&gt;
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I cannot find any reference to this &amp;quot;invasion&amp;quot; on either http://workmall.com/wfb2001/new_zealand/new_zealand_history_index.html or http://history-nz.org/ and considering that the third fleet of convicts had only just arrived in Australia at this time it is difficult to see that there would be many &amp;quot;Australians&amp;quot; who would be available for such exploits. --Bilby 18:45, 21 March 2007 (EDT) &lt;br /&gt;
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== Apology and thanks Bilby ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realised several hours after I last logged off that I had made a silly mistake in describing the Labor Party as the &amp;quot;second largest&amp;quot;.  I was going to fix that as soon as I could, but [[user:Bilby|Bilby]] beat me to it.  I have no idea what I was thinking; it wouldn't surprise me if they are the largest party, as the Liberals often need the help of the National Party to form government.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:23, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I realise that &amp;quot;size&amp;quot; can mean so many different things - they have been in Federal power for 10 years - that's big!  They control no state - that's small! John Howard is a short man - that's irrelevant but good for a laugh.  So I thought I'd get rid of big and small and &amp;quot;just the facts, Mam.&amp;quot;  And we all know that size doesn't matter anyway! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 21:26, 22 March 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The article has the heading &amp;quot;Prime Ministers of Australia&amp;quot; twice.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:38, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:So why didn't you fix it? &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:46, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I didn't know how of course.  The coding is somewhat technical. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:48, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::All you had to do was remove the sub-heading above the normal heading - &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;===whatever===&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; indicates a subheading. &amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;FFD700&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ColinR|ColinR]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;000000&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User_talk:ColinR|talk]]&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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The footnote for Prime Ministers of Australia is in a odd place. See footnote #3.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:50, 26 April 2007 (EDT)conservative&lt;br /&gt;
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I deleted a reference to Irian Jaya being a part of the continent of Australia and Phillip has footnoted that it could be considered to be a part of that continent (hence New Guinea would also.)  I have found that [http://www.answers.com/topic/continent answers.com] has a nice article which gives some idea about how one might determine what is meant by &amp;quot;continent&amp;quot;: &amp;quot;A protuberance of the Earth's crustal shell with an area of several million square miles and with sufficient elevation above neighboring depressions (the ocean basins) so that much of it is above sea level.&lt;br /&gt;
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The great majority of maps now in use imply that the boundaries of continents are their shorelines. From the geological point of view, however, the line of demarcation between a continent and an adjacent ocean basin lies offshore, at distances ranging from a few to several hundred miles, where the gentle slope of the continental shelf changes somewhat abruptly to a steeper declivity. This change occurs at depths ranging from a few to several hundred fathoms (1 fathom = 6 feet) at different places around the periphery of various continents. See also Continental margin.&lt;br /&gt;
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On such a basis, numerous offshore islands, including the British Isles, Greenland, Borneo, Sumatra, Java, New Guinea, Tasmania, Taiwan, Japan, and Sri Lanka, are parts of the nearby continent. Thus, there are six continents: Eurasia (Europe, China, and India are parts of this largest continent), Africa, North America, South America, Australasia (including Australia, Tasmania, and New Guinea), and Antarctica.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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So, I guess in the end, it's a matter of definition and accepted models.  Most Australians have grown up with the idea of the Island/Nation/Continent idea (thus discounting New Guinea) but if one takes a geological perspective then New Guinea definitely is included.  From the perspective of plate techtonics and the various continental plates, India should also be included in that plate but Oceania is a separate plate and geological area.  --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 22:44, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Not sure I agree with ''all'' of that, but what I really want to comment on is that (a) the article ''and not the talk page'' is part of the encyclopedia, so the article should not refer to the encyclopedia, even in a footnote, and therefore (b) this information should be either incorporated into the article proper or in a separate article linked from this one.  I'm therefore going to remove the reference to this talk page from the article's footnote.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:18, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Ah, you rules people!  I'm happy to plod along and have you pick up after me cause I'm sure that I don't have time to read, let alone, remember all these rules.  Sure, there's only 10 but I have enough trouble coping with the big ten!  I'm sure once continental drift theory gets in the explanations of definitions there would be a few raised eyebrows! ;-)  Keep up the good work. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 23:53, 7 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It's not a rule here; just the way that Wiki software is designed to be used.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 06:46, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::This could lead to an interesting discussion of the difference between Biblical commandments and Natural Law - but perhaps my mind is overactive this morning...--[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:19, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::This is not the place for that, but it's a different circumstance, because Biblical commandments and natural law both have the same author.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 22:02, 8 May 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Is anyone able to fix up the flag in this article - it was OK for a while but now seems to not be viewable.  I know some of you are Wikiexperts - I hand it over to you. --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 08:45, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:What do you mean by not viewable, is it too small or just not showing up at all (it seems to be coming up on mine)? [[User:EQ|EQ]] 09:18, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not showing up at all (red X instead).  I've asked about this before, but with no response, and I can't figure out what the problem is.  However, I've just done an experiment, and found that it works in Firefox, but not IE6.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:08, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::It [[User:EQ/sandbox|appears]] that the flag cannot be reduced below 101px. This could just be a bug in the mediawiki software or it may be deliberate to avoid over loss of quality by reducing the image (although it only seems to be a problem in IE). Perhaps the template could be changed to reflect this [[User:EQ|EQ]] 20:40, 18 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::::: I'm glad it's up - thanks to the brainstrust for that work! --[[User:Bilby|Bilby]] 18:23, 19 August 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sorry, I am new on here. Could correct my citations for the edit I just made? Also, where could I learn how to cite properly? Cheers. [[User:DHill1986|DHill1986]] 00:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The citations seem to work fine, as is, DHill.  I have left a welcome message with links to our manual of style, etc. Thanks for updating this! --&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;[[User:TK|'''ṬK''']]&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sub&amp;gt;/Admin&amp;lt;/sub&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; 06:36, 13 October 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese</title>
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== This Essay ==&lt;br /&gt;
The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Evolutionists who have had problems with being overweight and/or obese</title>
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== A problem with this essay.... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Rick Warren. Not a thin guy. Nor is Rush Limbaugh. Duane Gish carries a few extra pounds. Weight issues afflict more than a few Christian, conservative, creationists. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 17:41, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE]. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:52, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::By the way, it is not an essay.  It is an article entirely made up of facts and it appears to cause you some consternation. :) [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 18:58, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::: &amp;quot;In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational.&amp;quot; That is true, I have seen them do this often, but why should we behave like them? I thought we were supposed to be establishing a truly useful encyclopedia not mimicking the behavior of the worst people on the other side[[User:KingHanksley|KingHanksley]] 11:59, 4 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Enough is enough already. The facts about religiousness and obesity seem to be the opposite of what &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; says. I wonder how &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; will respond to this article that took me 30 seconds to find on Google: http://www.arecentstudy.com/studies/JSSR.pdf Do multiple papers dealing specifically obesity being more common among the religious trump this Gallop survey about healthy living that doesn't even deal with obesity? &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; does not seem to be telling a complete or accurate story with any of these goofy fat atheist articles in my opinion. The evidence seems to be that &amp;quot;Conservative&amp;quot; is very wrong in his or her conclusions and likes slinging mud against his enemies.   [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 19:01, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Do the studies deal with the &amp;quot;very religious&amp;quot; and aggregate/analyze data accordingly? How recent are the studies and do they reflect the current state of affairs?  How large are the sample sizes compared to the Gallup study? Are you denying there are fat evolutionists and fat atheists? :) Pardon the pun, but are some of the fat evolutionists/atheists or have some of the fat evolutionists/atheists been prominent evolutionists/atheists? :) Next, Christian creationists' worldview indicates that men sin and sometimes act contrary to reason. Of course, that doesn't excuse their sin as Jesus said, &amp;quot;Be ye perfect as I am perfect&amp;quot; and Christians are expected to live holy lifestyles. But if they do sin, they are expected to repent.  On the other hand, evolutionists often maintain that science is on their side and that creationists are unscientific and are against science. In addition, staunch and very vocal evolutionists are often atheists who come up with names for atheists such as &amp;quot;bright&amp;quot;/objectivist/etc. and constantly maintain that atheists are rational. As far as what [[medical science]] says about being overweight, you can read about that [http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#Atheists_and_physical_and_mental_health_related_problems_associated_with_obesity HERE].[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 19:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Hi Conservative. Thanks for the reply. I had not really stopped to consider the nature of sin when I wrote what I did. You are absolutely correct. [[User:Martyp|Martyp]] 20:07, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::No problem. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I'm happy to have a discussion with you about the issue I raised but you're jumping around to all kinds of nonsense. I'm not going to respond to your worldview issues because they're completely unrelated to the paper I pointed out to you. If you're going to be talking about a connection (it looks nonexistent from the poor evidence you presented) between atheism and obesity you should read the paper I showed you and follow the citations in it to other studies looking at the relation of obesity and religiousness. Then you can answer the questions you asked me for yourself. One would think papers specifically relating obesity to religiousness would be more important to someone interested in speaking truth than a survey of people's healthy lifestyle that does not support the conclusion you say it does. I don't think you're being very serious about this issue. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 12:48, 2 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Nate, do you have any proof and evidence that atheism is true? [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 00:35, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Why not say something about the paper I showed you instead of changing the subject again? [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 08:40, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::You sure are thin skinned about the subject of fat evolutionists. Second, I did respond and you gave me a non-response in return. You can safely be ignored at this point. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 17:11, 3 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Where is your response? You asked a question about the paper showing you didn't read it and then brought up some irrelevant points. When I pointed this out and said you should read it and that the religiousness/obesity connection cuts the opposite direction you say it does you asked an irrelevant question about proof and evidence that atheism is true. That's obviously not the subject of discussion. And after I point that out you're going to &amp;quot;safely&amp;quot; ignore me? Thats not how civil discussions work. If anyone was keeping score they'd say you just publicly forfeited this debate, but I am not debating I just want you to please have a look at the paper I showed you and tell me if it changes your opinion on this subject. I'm not thin skinned about fat evolutionists. I am sensitive about the power of terrible arguments like personal attacks on people who don't understand that negative personal characteristics about specific individuals don't have anything to do with whether their ideas are correct. I'm pretty fat. Do you want to follow me around and hound me for drinking beer and not Slim Fast. There's no charity in it.  If you want to say something about Myers individually why not talk about him being openly derisive of our faith. Do not attack him for being fat or you look like a 2nd grade bully. Nate [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 17:16, 4 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I see you're inserting insults to strangers into this awful article but haven't responded to my point. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:06, 25 January 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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The effect this essay has is this: it makes conservative Christians look petty. It makes our arguments weak. The inquisitive mind simply thinks ''Oh, they're running out of arguments against atheists, so they're calling them fat''. Maybe it's meant to be parody or comedy, but it makes this website, and by proxy conservative Christians, look stupid. [[User:JRegden|JRegden]] 18:36, 9 January 2013 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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!&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>SGropers</name></author>
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