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Deceit

2015-12-06T04:55:21Z

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'''Deceit''' means to deliberately misrepresent or deny truths, or [[lie]], with the intent to fool or trick others. <ref>In law, deceit is the fraudulent representation of a material fact, made intentionally or recklessly or without reasonable basis and with the intent to induce reliance on the falsehood. In tort law, if someone does justifiably rely on the deceit to his detriment, then he has a cause of action for recovery of his injury.</ref> See also [[Self-deception]].

Deceit helps promote various [[belief system]]s with the public, as illustrated by the examples below. Nearly all of these examples consist of [[deceit]] that was [[embraced deceit|embraced]] by many people in order to advance an [[ideological]] goal. Most prominent modern examples are of [[liberal]]s hoping to mislead the public through [[propaganda]].

'''Embraced deceit''' is [[deceit]] that is knowingly allowed, defended or even promoted for ideological purposes. Not only did the perpetrators of the [[deceit]] promote it, but their allies were complicit also.
'''Embraced deceit''' is common.

==Examples==

#For over 50 years many [[liberals]] denied that [[Julius Rosenberg]] had spied for the [[communist]] [[Soviet Union]]. Then, in September 2008, a co-conspirator finally admitted the truth in "Figure in Rosenberg Case Admits to Soviet Spying."<ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/nyregion/12spy.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin</ref>
#In 1997 the National Coalition of Abortion Providers' executive director Ron Fitzsimmons admitted, "I lied through my teeth" about the facts in order to defeat a ban on [[partial birth abortion]].<ref>http://www.slate.com/id/2086/</ref>
#Gun control advocate [[Michael Bellesiles]] wrote a book entitled ''Arming America, The Origins of a National Gun Culture'' (2000). Gary Wills gave it a glowing review in ''[[The New York Times]]'', but admitted later that "I was took. The book is a fraud."<ref>Jonah Goldberg, [http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/guests/s_501644.html ''Reports of the [[Second Amendment]]'s death have been greatly exaggerated ...''] Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Apr. 8, 2007.</ref> Bellesiles resigned from his position as Professor of History at [[Emory University]] in Atlanta when an independent committee of scholars examined his work and concluded that "his scholarly integrity is seriously in question."<ref>http://hnn.us/articles/1069.html</ref>
#The [[Piltdown Man]] was a fraudulent [[missing link]] taught to an entire generation of students worldwide from 1912 to 1953 as "proof" that man had evolved from an ape-like species. [[Evolution]]ists declared the Piltdown Man to be authentic and gave it a formal name, ''Eoanthropus dawsoni,'' in honor of the person who claimed to have found it, Charles Dawson. The British scientific establishment largely supported the validity of Piltdown Man.<ref>http://www.bradburyac.mistral.co.uk/tenness5.html</ref> But the Piltdown Man was actually a [[medieval]] skull combined with a lower jaw from an [[orangutan]] and teeth from a [[chimpanzee]], which were then placed in a gravel pit in the village of Piltdown, England. There are reports that as early as 1914 someone at the British Museum privately admitted that "a negro skull and a broken ape jaw" had been "artificially fossilized."<ref>http://www.clarku.edu/~piltdown/map_prim_suspects/KEITH/Keith_prosecution/piltdown_unmasked.html</ref> Yet promoters of evolution perpetrated this fraud for decades, in textbooks (e.g., the text at issue in the [[Scopes trial]] in 1925) as well as in popular books and magazines (e.g., a 1922 book for the general market illustrated the daily life of the Piltdown Man). <ref>[http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC02561355&id=L0sDgL6sPh4C&pg=RA1-PR51 ''Everyday Life in the Old Stone Age''], Charles Henry Bourne Quennell, 1922, p. 51.</ref>
#[[Alger Hiss]] was a [[communist]] spy who worked at high levels in the U.S. government. He was convicted of two counts of perjury relating to his denials of his [[treason]]. His verdict was upheld at the [[Court of Appeals]] and the [[Supreme Court]]. Hiss was sentenced to five years on Jan. 25 and served 44 months in Lewisburg Federal Prison before being released in November 1954. Yet he continued to claim he was innocent afterwards. Documents released from [[Soviet]] files after the communist Soviet Union collapsed proved that Hiss had been a spy, and the 1997 [[Moynihan Commission on Government Secrecy]] concluded that he was a spy in its report. <ref>[http://www.fas.org/sgp/library/moynihan/appa6.html Moynihan Commission on Government Secrecy, Appendix A 6. The Experience of The Bomb]</ref>
#American Vice President [[Joe Biden]] is listed on famousplagiarists.com for his widely publicized copying from British liberal [[Neil Kinnock]] and then pawning it off as his own, and then initially denying he had done anything wrong. The resultant exposure of his unacknowledged appropriation of Kinnock's work forced Biden out of the 1988 presidential race,<ref>http://www.famousplagiarists.com/politics.htm</ref> but [[liberals]] have continued to support him as a U.S. Senator and do not seem to mind his prior deceit one bit.
#[[Liberals]] popularized the [[Scopes trial]] with the 1955 play [[Inherit the Wind]], which is often taught in schools, and the 1960 Hollywood motion picture by the same name. Both completely lied about the facts in order to harm [[Christianity]], misleading students who read or enact the play and everyone who saw the movie. As recently as April 17, 2007, the ''[[Village Voice]]'' described the play as though it were factually true,<ref>http://www.villagevoice.com/theater/0716,feingold,76394,11.html</ref> thereby misleading all of its readers.
#conservapedia.com is a great example of deceit. Tailoring "facts" to fit a crazy person's world-view.
#''[[Doe v. Bolton]]''<ref>410 U.S. 179, 192 (1973).</ref> was the decision in 1973 by the [[U.S. Supreme Court]] which created [[abortion]] on demand based on the theory that Ms. "Doe" wanted an abortion for her health. Sandra Cano was the "Doe" of ''Doe v. Bolton'', and she later proved in sworn testimony that at "NO TIME did I ever have an abortion. I did not seek an abortion nor do I believe in abortion."<ref>http://judiciary.senate.gov/testimony.cfm?id=1553&wit_id=4393</ref> She filed a brief with the [[U.S. Supreme Court]] in 2006 asserting that "fraud was perpetrated on the Court" in the original ''Doe v. Bolton'' case brought in her name. In April 2007, the Supreme Court cited approvingly her brief for the general principle that abortion might harm the women who have them.<ref>http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=05-380</ref>
#[[Democrat]] Durham District Attorney [[Mike Nifong]] admitted that there was "no credible evidence" that three Duke lacrosse players committed any of the crimes he charged them with in 2006.<ref>http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-07-26-nifong-court_N.htm?csp=34</ref> A three-member panel of a state commission "ruled that Nifong willfully lied during his prosecution of the three lacrosse players."<ref>http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/661674.html</ref> "The committee ruled in June [2007] that Nifong knowingly withheld DNA evidence that was beneficial to the three charged in the case. ... The state attorney general later exonerated the players and declared the three men innocent of all charges."<ref>''Id.''</ref> But 88 Duke professors -- more than 10 percent of the [[liberal]] Duke professorial faculty - endorsed and published an ad hurtful to the innocent students, which "helped create the lynch-mob atmosphere."<ref>http://www.nypost.com/seven/03232007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/duke__who_wont_pay_opedcolumnists_john_podhoretz.htm</ref> Ultimately "Nifong was sentenced ... to a single day in jail, having been held in criminal contempt of court for lying to a judge during his pursuit of rape charges against the three falsely accused lacrosse players."<ref>http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8RCITJ00&show_article=1</ref>
#In relation to the [[theory of evolution]] evolutionist [[Stephen Jay Gould]] wrote in May of 2000 the following: "[[Ernst Haeckel|Haeckel]]'s forceful, eminently comprehensible, if not always accurate, books appeared in all major languages and surely exerted more influence than the works of any other scientist, including Darwin ... in convincing people throughout the world about the validity of evolution .... Haeckel had exaggerated the similarities [between embryos of different species] by idealizations and omissions. He also, in some cases — in a procedure that can only be called fraudulent — simply copied the same figure over and over again."<ref>http://www.creationism.org/caesar/haeckel.htm</ref> The [[New York Times]] reported that "drawings were reproduced in textbook after textbook for more than a century" which "biologists discovered ... were fraudulent" but "some textbooks still contain them."<ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/08/science/08EVOL.html?ex=1187064000&en=c9bdc4e4fa58256b&ei=5070</ref> Known as the [[Haeckel drawings]], these fake drawings remained in textbooks for more than 100 years until exposed as fake by the [[New York Times]] in 2001. As of Aug. 12, 2007, [[Wikipedia]] continued to present these drawings as generally true while omitting any reference to the [[New York Times]] exposing of the fraud.<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryo_drawing</ref>
# Several Climatic Research Unit scientists at the University of East Anglia have been scrutinized for deceitful behavior revealed from [[Climategate]]. If it is true that the CRU scientists deliberately falsified climate science data, and then then used the results of the falsification to obtain additional research funding, then it is deceit.
#[[Adolf Hitler]] described the "Big Lie" technique in Mein Kampf and used it many times to justify invading Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland and other countries. He blamed Jews for the big lie, and for starting World War II, but was unconvincing.
#Extremist, hyper-liberal regimes such as the [[Soviet Union]] under [[Joseph Stalin]], [[Communist]] [[China]], and [[North Korea]] elevate deceit into an instrument of political statecraft. Systematic [[liberal lies]] are the basic currency of daily governance, and [[propaganda]] delivered through state organs is as essential to these regimes as a [[free press]] to the [[United States]].
#[[Jayson Blair]], disgraced former ''[[New York Times]]'' reporter, was forced to resign after it was discovered he had plagiarized and fabricated large amounts of material for several stories
#[[Democratic]] Presidential candidate [[Barack Obama]] repeatedly pledged to close the [[Guantanamo]] Detention facility housing [[terrorist]]s in order to "regain America's moral stature in the world." <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQXZoM__vU0 60 Minutes: Obama Reiterates Promise To Close Guantanamo Bay]</ref> As president, the ''Washington Post'' reported in June 2009 Obama was considering an [[Executive Order]] to hold Guantanamo detainees indefinitely. <ref>[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/26/AR2009062603361.html ''White House Weighs Order on Detention Officials: Move Would Reassert Power To Hold Terror Suspects Indefinitely''], [[Washington Post]], June 27, 2009.</ref>
#In July 2009, Al Gore was interviewed by a reporter from the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. During the interview, he was asked about a 2007 British court ruling regarding his "[[An Inconvenient Truth]]" film being shown in public schools. The question was specifically about nine significant scientific errors in the film that were noted by the judge. Gore did not address the issue of the errors, simply stating, "[T]he ruling was in my favour."<ref>http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2009/s2624723.htm</ref> However, the judge had unequivocally stated in 2007 after the ruling, "I conclude that the claimant substantially won this case by virtue of my finding that, but for the new guidance note, the film would have been distributed in breach of sections 406 and 407 of the 1996 Education Act."<ref>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/7037671.stm</ref>
#In the earliest example of deceit, the serpent in the [[Garden of Eden]] persuaded [[Eve]] to eat the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge, claiming it would make her like [[God]]. In truth, it caused the [[fall of man]], exiling [[Adam and Eve]] from [[Eden]]. See John 8:44.
#Two prominent men in a community arranged to have their church raise $850 in donations to purchase books for a local school. In sworn testimony during depositions, both men denied knowledge of the source of the donations.
#[[James O'Keefe]] and his conspirators pleaded guilty to entering a federal building under false pretenses when they posed as telephone workers to enter Sen. [[Mary Landrieu]]'s office to confront her about phone calls from constituents that the senator allegedly ignored.<ref>http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2010/05/james_okeefe_and_friends_plead.html</ref>

==Quotes on Deceit==
[[George Orwell]] wrote:
* {{orwell-politics-lies}}
* "Do remember that dishonesty and [[cowardice]] always have to be paid for. Don’t imagine that for years on end you can make yourself the boot-licking [[propaganda|propagandist]] of the [[Soviet]] regime, or any other regime, and then suddenly return to mental decency. Once a whore, always a whore." [http://pages.interlog.com/~girbe/fonda.html]
"To [[anger]] a [[conservative]], lie to him. To anger a [[liberal]], tell him the [[truth]]." - Anonymous

==Deceit in Religion==
Deceit is prohibited by [[God]] in the [[Ten Commandments]]; the [[Old Testament]] says, "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." [[Revelation]] 21:8 states that all liars will go to [[hell]]. [[Satan]] is described in many [[religion]]s as the Father of Lies.

===Biblical References===
[[Book of Psalms|Psalm]] 119:118
<blockquote>
Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes: for their deceit is falsehood.
</blockquote>
Psalm 5:6
<blockquote>
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.
</blockquote>
[[Proverbs]] 26:24
<blockquote>He that hateth dissembleth with his lips, and layeth up deceit within him</blockquote>
Job 27:4
<blockquote>
My lips will not speak wickedness, and my tongue will utter no deceit.
</blockquote>

===Deceit in Buddhism===
In [[Buddhist]] [[morality]], the [[Five Precepts]], which are required to receive as a formal [[oath]] or [[vow]] in order to be a Buddhist (unlike many [[liberal]]s who call themselves Buddhists while ignoring [[morality]]), specifically forbid deceit or [[lie|lying]] in the Fourth Precept which also forbids [[gossip]] or "divisive speech", lewd or lascivious speech ([[profanity]]) and [[anger|harsh speech]].

==See Also==
* [[Abortion deceit]]
* [[Flattery]]
* [[Fraud]]
* [[Previous Breaking News/Liberal deceit|Examples of '''liberal deceit''' from previous "Breaking News" articles]]
* [[Intellectual dishonesty]]
* Michael Reagan, [http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichaelReagan/2007/10/05/people_of_deceit People of Deceit]
* [http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/27429.html Politically Correct Terrorism] ''The Conservative Voice'', August 21, 2007
* [[List of military strategies and concepts]]
* [[Cherry picking]]
* [[Half-truth]]

==Further reading==
*[http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=22725 People of Deceit], by [[Michael Reagan]], ''Human Events'', 10/05/2007.
*''People of the Lie'', by psychiatrist [[M. Scott Peck]]

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Talk:Homosexuality

2015-12-06T04:49:23Z

Someguy99: /* God's Greatest Commandment */

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== 8 major identical twin studies demonstrate homosexuality is not genetic ==

Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way. http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/identical-twin-studies-prove-homosexuality-is-not-genetic [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:28, 15 January 2015 (EST)

== Cleaning up ==

There are WAY too many sections and subsections on this page, I'm going to see if I can combine the major information and remove the subsections with little content to make the Table of Contents readable. There are actually sections with two sentences or less right now. That kind of material would be better left in subpages or just referred to in the See also section; perhaps mentioned briefly in another section. I'd like to clean up the page so it is more readable though. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 20:35, 25 January 2015 (EST)
:[[User:Conservative]] I saw the page was recently protected. If you dislike the edits being made, can you tell me what exactly you disagreed with? By and large I just moved material around to trim unnecessary categories or duplicate sources, and added sections on xenoestrogens and polling.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Homosexuality&action=historysubmit&diff=1135467&oldid=1134830] My next edit by the way was going to involve moving the Ex-homosexuals section into the Personal Choice section. Just through categorizing, moving sections with little to no content into other areas, I had reduced the number of total sections from 35 to 16 and was about to reduce it to 15 so that the Table of Contents would be readable. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 23:20, 25 January 2015 (EST)
::JZambrano, I admire your zeal. At the same time, at this juncture, I have multiple demands on my time and I am unable work with you on major revisions to this article. And wouldn't be fair to the people I made promises to for me to get involved in such a project. It would cause unnecessary delays which they would not appreciate.

::At a future time, perhaps we can revisit this matter. In the meantime, I suggest contacting [[User:Daniel1212]] and perhaps you two could discuss your suggestions as far as improving article. Daniel1212 created a lot of homosexuality related content to Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:53, 25 January 2015 (EST)

:::I notice Daniel hasn't done much editing since 2012 and none since October. Will he be online enough for that? I did leave them a message just in case. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 00:23, 26 January 2015 (EST)
::::It is going to have to be enough for now. And another person who edits using the User: Conservative account has a demanding job and is now a part-time business owner too. So I know that person cannot help as well. It is a particularly busy time for that person.

::::Second, you wanted to give a strong emphasis to xenoestrogens in the article and place the material near the very top of the article. I don't foresee such a change happening.

::::Lastly, I know you want to discuss this matter further right now, but I politely decline to do so given my present commitments. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:02, 26 January 2015 (EST)

:::::Alright, I was just curious where the objection lay. I have no problem with moving the xenoestrogen material further down on the page. Were there any other concerns about the proposed edits? --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 23:26, 29 January 2015 (EST)

== It should be illegal ==

I am tired of seeing fellow members of my community being converted into homosexuals. The countries of the world should just ban homosexuality and make it a crime so as to prevent younger minds with potential being indoctrinated by this evil. {{unsigned|JoaoV}}
:A user that one of your collective have [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/JoaoV blocked] user:conservative. Why block him then restore his edit after JoeyJ has removed it? [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 12:05, 1 March 2015 (EST)
::Cons, I don't often agree with you, but I must give credit where credit is due. (Ooh! Another idiom article to write! I'm way behind.) You did exactly the right thing in restoring Joao's edits. You of course used the principle that talk pages are ongoing journals of a discussion, and edits are not to be removed unless they are libelous. I don't agree with Joao's comment, but I think it's within the realm of acceptable comments here. By the way, I used to have a coworker generally called John, but his real (Hispanic) given name was Joao.
::While I'm heaping praise on you, you recently replied to something underneath a paragraph, by someone else, that had two of the grammatical and stylistic errors that I used to accuse you of.
::And now I see that you have unblocked him. Congratulations. Joao will now have the distinction of having been unblocked by <s>the person most hated at RW</s> probably CP's most interesting admin, one who does not often unblock people :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 16:37, 1 March 2015 (EST)
=== JoaoV's response ===

::Thanks for unblocking me. My intention is to use this wiki for educative purposes, I don't want to cause trouble. Concerning homosexuality, I am glad that you are trying to undo it and these articles are very informative. I beg you to forive me though for having a more cynical view of it however as my experiences with homosexuality in my neighbour have been purely negative. See, here is my problem: I have seen good, upstanding neighbours that were previously heterosexual (I do not believe that "I was in denial" myth) and had girlfriends and went to church being converted. We all got along well and even though in my neigbourhood there were differences among various denominations, we never criticized each other. We were all Christian after all. Then one day a number of college-age deviants start going door to door and asking us to answer to bizarre questionaries (at one point I heard one of them ask (and I joke you not) "What's your wildest sex fantasy?". You notice that I previously used the word "converted". Well, you see, most of us either tried to tell them about The Lord when the weird questions started and a few of us didn't bother to answer, but a young male member of our community not only answered them earnestly but actually invited them inside. After that day, everything went downhill in our community as apparently the deviants were there to "inform" our neighbourhood and others about various laws concerning homosexuality and other deviations and how the law ''protected'' such degeneracy. It began with the male neighbour (whose name was Joaquim). He began to flaunt that he was "no longer going to lie" and "that he was going true to his self". He, who had been a model citizen and neighbour up to that point, had been successfully converted into the religion of the homosexuals. I do not know what tactics they used or why they did it, but I '''know''' that Joaquim was not "born that way". He openly challenged God by behaving like a sodomite and trying to coax others into joining him. As Joaquim was not just a neighbour but my friend I tried to convert him back to the true faith, but my efforts were in vain. I don't know what tactics the deviants used, but my friend had a spiritual death that day. His faith died. The one before us afterwards was just another deviant of the bunch - worse, he had become a missionary of their wicked cult. And what had once been a great neighbourhood suddenly became a den of degeneracy and corruption. A man a few streets below started to wear womens' clothing, a few more started to preach the homosexual lifestyle and a worrying number of adolescents were admitting to "trying things". Those of us who still cling to tradition tried to show them the light but they would not listen - the alure of the flesh was greater to them than the word of The Lord. That day my hope for peace died. I stopped turning the other cheek. I started shunning them and others even condemned them in public. At the very least we managed to keep them away from our homes and children. Others are doing so as well and although our neighbourhood is not the same at least it's purifying itself. The reason I want homosexuality banned is not to persecute homosexuals. It is to prevent good people, like Joaquim, from being corrupted. Every time I recall this story I feel like I have failed myself because Joaquim was a long time friend. Our group of friends had shared with him movies, church goings, sports, and videogames. He had made our lives better by being our friend. But because he couldn't resist temptation - and because he was tempted in the first place - there is now an empty seat whenever we try to make a group activity. This saddens me. What could I have done to convert him back? Is there still hope for him? Doubt started to linger in my heart. "You're not my friends. Friends don't judge their friends." Joaquim said. But he was wrong. If a friend commits a crime and you are called to judge him, God demands that we answer with the truth. We must show mercy and compassion, but we must not lie. Well, thanks for reading my story. I'm sorry to have let it out here, it's just... I wish homosexuality didn't exist. I want our group of friends to be complete as it once was. --[[User:JoaoV|JoaoV]] 23:52, 5 March 2015 (EST)

== "Causes of homosexuality" ==

The section entitled "Causes of homosexuality" does not address its purported topic at all, but merely serves as a brief introduction to several topics to be addressed later in the article. This section (along with most of the rest of the article, IMO) is in need of a serious rewrite. [[User:IsabellW|IsabellW]] 23:19, 13 May 2015 (EDT)

== God's Greatest Commandment ==

I would, as a God fearing conservative, like to have the sentence that refers to homosexuality being condemned more than any other act in the Holy Bible to be removed. Yes it is condemned, but I think that this view ignores God's greatest commandment: Love your neighbor as you love yourself. If that is his greatest commandment then NOT loving your neighbor as yourself would be the greatest sin. Do not mistake me here, homosexuality is a sin, but just not quite the most evil of them all.

Why is it a sin?

== Citation 134 ==

In 2007, the Los Angeles Times reported the frequency of methamphetamine use is twenty times greater among homosexuals than in the general population.[134]

The link is not to an LA times article, nor is there any mention of methamphetamine use. Totally wrong.

Talk:Homosexuality

2015-12-06T04:47:54Z

Someguy99: /* Citation 134 */ new section

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== 8 major identical twin studies demonstrate homosexuality is not genetic ==

Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way. http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/identical-twin-studies-prove-homosexuality-is-not-genetic [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:28, 15 January 2015 (EST)

== Cleaning up ==

There are WAY too many sections and subsections on this page, I'm going to see if I can combine the major information and remove the subsections with little content to make the Table of Contents readable. There are actually sections with two sentences or less right now. That kind of material would be better left in subpages or just referred to in the See also section; perhaps mentioned briefly in another section. I'd like to clean up the page so it is more readable though. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 20:35, 25 January 2015 (EST)
:[[User:Conservative]] I saw the page was recently protected. If you dislike the edits being made, can you tell me what exactly you disagreed with? By and large I just moved material around to trim unnecessary categories or duplicate sources, and added sections on xenoestrogens and polling.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Homosexuality&action=historysubmit&diff=1135467&oldid=1134830] My next edit by the way was going to involve moving the Ex-homosexuals section into the Personal Choice section. Just through categorizing, moving sections with little to no content into other areas, I had reduced the number of total sections from 35 to 16 and was about to reduce it to 15 so that the Table of Contents would be readable. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 23:20, 25 January 2015 (EST)
::JZambrano, I admire your zeal. At the same time, at this juncture, I have multiple demands on my time and I am unable work with you on major revisions to this article. And wouldn't be fair to the people I made promises to for me to get involved in such a project. It would cause unnecessary delays which they would not appreciate.

::At a future time, perhaps we can revisit this matter. In the meantime, I suggest contacting [[User:Daniel1212]] and perhaps you two could discuss your suggestions as far as improving article. Daniel1212 created a lot of homosexuality related content to Conservapedia. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:53, 25 January 2015 (EST)

:::I notice Daniel hasn't done much editing since 2012 and none since October. Will he be online enough for that? I did leave them a message just in case. --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 00:23, 26 January 2015 (EST)
::::It is going to have to be enough for now. And another person who edits using the User: Conservative account has a demanding job and is now a part-time business owner too. So I know that person cannot help as well. It is a particularly busy time for that person.

::::Second, you wanted to give a strong emphasis to xenoestrogens in the article and place the material near the very top of the article. I don't foresee such a change happening.

::::Lastly, I know you want to discuss this matter further right now, but I politely decline to do so given my present commitments. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:02, 26 January 2015 (EST)

:::::Alright, I was just curious where the objection lay. I have no problem with moving the xenoestrogen material further down on the page. Were there any other concerns about the proposed edits? --[[User:JZambrano|Joshua Zambrano]] 23:26, 29 January 2015 (EST)

== It should be illegal ==

I am tired of seeing fellow members of my community being converted into homosexuals. The countries of the world should just ban homosexuality and make it a crime so as to prevent younger minds with potential being indoctrinated by this evil. {{unsigned|JoaoV}}
:A user that one of your collective have [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/JoaoV blocked] user:conservative. Why block him then restore his edit after JoeyJ has removed it? [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 12:05, 1 March 2015 (EST)
::Cons, I don't often agree with you, but I must give credit where credit is due. (Ooh! Another idiom article to write! I'm way behind.) You did exactly the right thing in restoring Joao's edits. You of course used the principle that talk pages are ongoing journals of a discussion, and edits are not to be removed unless they are libelous. I don't agree with Joao's comment, but I think it's within the realm of acceptable comments here. By the way, I used to have a coworker generally called John, but his real (Hispanic) given name was Joao.
::While I'm heaping praise on you, you recently replied to something underneath a paragraph, by someone else, that had two of the grammatical and stylistic errors that I used to accuse you of.
::And now I see that you have unblocked him. Congratulations. Joao will now have the distinction of having been unblocked by <s>the person most hated at RW</s> probably CP's most interesting admin, one who does not often unblock people :-) [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 16:37, 1 March 2015 (EST)
=== JoaoV's response ===

::Thanks for unblocking me. My intention is to use this wiki for educative purposes, I don't want to cause trouble. Concerning homosexuality, I am glad that you are trying to undo it and these articles are very informative. I beg you to forive me though for having a more cynical view of it however as my experiences with homosexuality in my neighbour have been purely negative. See, here is my problem: I have seen good, upstanding neighbours that were previously heterosexual (I do not believe that "I was in denial" myth) and had girlfriends and went to church being converted. We all got along well and even though in my neigbourhood there were differences among various denominations, we never criticized each other. We were all Christian after all. Then one day a number of college-age deviants start going door to door and asking us to answer to bizarre questionaries (at one point I heard one of them ask (and I joke you not) "What's your wildest sex fantasy?". You notice that I previously used the word "converted". Well, you see, most of us either tried to tell them about The Lord when the weird questions started and a few of us didn't bother to answer, but a young male member of our community not only answered them earnestly but actually invited them inside. After that day, everything went downhill in our community as apparently the deviants were there to "inform" our neighbourhood and others about various laws concerning homosexuality and other deviations and how the law ''protected'' such degeneracy. It began with the male neighbour (whose name was Joaquim). He began to flaunt that he was "no longer going to lie" and "that he was going true to his self". He, who had been a model citizen and neighbour up to that point, had been successfully converted into the religion of the homosexuals. I do not know what tactics they used or why they did it, but I '''know''' that Joaquim was not "born that way". He openly challenged God by behaving like a sodomite and trying to coax others into joining him. As Joaquim was not just a neighbour but my friend I tried to convert him back to the true faith, but my efforts were in vain. I don't know what tactics the deviants used, but my friend had a spiritual death that day. His faith died. The one before us afterwards was just another deviant of the bunch - worse, he had become a missionary of their wicked cult. And what had once been a great neighbourhood suddenly became a den of degeneracy and corruption. A man a few streets below started to wear womens' clothing, a few more started to preach the homosexual lifestyle and a worrying number of adolescents were admitting to "trying things". Those of us who still cling to tradition tried to show them the light but they would not listen - the alure of the flesh was greater to them than the word of The Lord. That day my hope for peace died. I stopped turning the other cheek. I started shunning them and others even condemned them in public. At the very least we managed to keep them away from our homes and children. Others are doing so as well and although our neighbourhood is not the same at least it's purifying itself. The reason I want homosexuality banned is not to persecute homosexuals. It is to prevent good people, like Joaquim, from being corrupted. Every time I recall this story I feel like I have failed myself because Joaquim was a long time friend. Our group of friends had shared with him movies, church goings, sports, and videogames. He had made our lives better by being our friend. But because he couldn't resist temptation - and because he was tempted in the first place - there is now an empty seat whenever we try to make a group activity. This saddens me. What could I have done to convert him back? Is there still hope for him? Doubt started to linger in my heart. "You're not my friends. Friends don't judge their friends." Joaquim said. But he was wrong. If a friend commits a crime and you are called to judge him, God demands that we answer with the truth. We must show mercy and compassion, but we must not lie. Well, thanks for reading my story. I'm sorry to have let it out here, it's just... I wish homosexuality didn't exist. I want our group of friends to be complete as it once was. --[[User:JoaoV|JoaoV]] 23:52, 5 March 2015 (EST)

== "Causes of homosexuality" ==

The section entitled "Causes of homosexuality" does not address its purported topic at all, but merely serves as a brief introduction to several topics to be addressed later in the article. This section (along with most of the rest of the article, IMO) is in need of a serious rewrite. [[User:IsabellW|IsabellW]] 23:19, 13 May 2015 (EDT)

== God's Greatest Commandment ==

I would, as a God fearing conservative, like to have the sentence that refers to homosexuality being condemned more than any other act in the Holy Bible to be removed. Yes it is condemned, but I think that this view ignores God's greatest commandment: Love your neighbor as you love yourself. If that is his greatest commandment then NOT loving your neighbor as yourself would be the greatest sin. Do not mistake me here, homosexuality is a sin, but just not quite the most evil of them all.

== Citation 134 ==

In 2007, the Los Angeles Times reported the frequency of methamphetamine use is twenty times greater among homosexuals than in the general population.[134]

The link is not to an LA times article, nor is there any mention of methamphetamine use. Totally wrong.