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Charles Wesley

2009-02-23T05:01:38Z

TaroMasuki:

'''Charles Wesley''' (1707-1788) was the Englishman who wrote the [[Christmas]] carol, "Hark the Herald [[Angel]]s Sing." He traveled to the colony of [[Georgia]] as secretary to its founder, [[James Oglethorpe]], but returned after being disappointed in an attempt to minister to [[India]]ns.

Charles Wesley returned to England to preach in a way that began the Great Awakening Revival. He wrote:

"Hark the Herald Angels Sing, Glory to the new-born King, Peace on
earth, and mercy mild, God and sinners reconciled. Joyful all ye
nations rise, Join the triumph of the skies; With th' angelic host
proclaim, Christ is born in Bethlehem."

[[Category:Religious People|Wesley, Charles]]

Steamboat

2009-02-23T04:59:49Z

TaroMasuki:

A '''steamboat''' is a waterborne [[ship]] powered by a [[steam engine]]. Historically, the steam was produced by burning coal (or less often, wood), although modern steamboats tend to use more portable fuels such as [[diesel]] [[gasoline]]. A steamboat plays a prominent role in [[Mark Twain]]'s [[Adventures of Huckleberry Finn]].

Steamboat

2009-02-23T04:58:45Z

TaroMasuki: New page: A '''steamboat''' is a waterborne ship powered by a steam engine. Historically, the steam was produced by burning coal (or less often, wood), although modern steamboats tend to us...

Basho

2009-01-31T14:57:07Z

TaroMasuki: New page: '''Basho''' was a renowned Japanese poet of haiku.

'''Basho''' was a renowned Japanese poet of [[haiku]].

Hiroshima

2009-01-30T04:28:08Z

TaroMasuki:

[[Image:Hiroshima.jpg|right]]
'''Hiroshima''' is an industrial city in [[Japan]], most famous for being the target of the first [[atomic bomb|atomic weapon]] used in [[war]]fare, just prior to the Japanese [[surrender]] at the end of [[World War II]]. "[[Little Boy]]" was dropped on Hiroshima by the [[United States]] in August 9th, 1945 killing approximately 140,000 people. One day later, the [[United States]] made the point that they were serious, by dropping "[[Fat Man]]" on [[Nagasaki]], which was, so far, the last use of these weapons.

Hiroshima's population is estimated at 1,113,000. [[Itsukushima Shrine]] on Miyajima Island, which has one of Japan's most scenic views, is an interesting tourist site. It has a famous fireworks display.

[[Image:Japan_Miyajima s.jpg|left|340px|Miyajima Island]]
{{clear}}

== See also ==

*[[Honshu]]
*[[Douglas MacArthur]]
*[[Matsuyama]]

== External links ==

*[http://www.jref.com/practical/hiroshima.shtml Hiroshima guide]

[[Category:Japanese Cities and Towns]]
[[Category:World War II]]

Sadako Sasaki

2009-01-30T04:24:58Z

TaroMasuki: New page: '''Sadako Sasaki''' was a little Japanese girl who acquired leukemia at the age of twelve from exposure to the atomic bomb dropped by the United States on Hiroshima when she was tw...

'''Sadako Sasaki''' was a little Japanese girl who acquired leukemia at the age of twelve from exposure to the atomic bomb dropped by the [[United States]] on [[Hiroshima]] when she was two years old. She attempted to fold a thousand paper cranes before her death in accordance with Japanese tradition, a story that inspired a large monument in her city and several movies.

Toenail

2009-01-30T04:17:58Z

TaroMasuki: New page: '''Toenails''' are protective bits of hard material on the human toe.

'''Toenails''' are protective bits of hard material on the human [[toe]].

Eyelash

2009-01-30T04:16:31Z

TaroMasuki: New page: An '''eyelash''' is a fringe of special hairs on the edge of the eyelid in many mammals.

An '''eyelash''' is a fringe of special hairs on the edge of the eyelid in many mammals.

Talk:Fox News Channel

2009-01-30T04:11:34Z

TaroMasuki: /* Conservative */

Suggest someone writes this page properly, fairly and honestly (yes it's biased toward GOP/conservatism) and then locks it.

This article is exceptionally better than its predecessor. --[[User:Truth is bipartisan|Truth is bipartisan]] 17:59, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Well... the last article called Fox News Channel was copied wholesale from wikipedia. This is fine. But we appear to have lost the discussion page for [[Fox News]]. [[User:Myk|Myk]] 18:47, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Please don't revert pages while someone is editing!

Thanks. :-) --[[User:TK|TK]] 03:02, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

:Psst... no way to know something is being edited ;) [[User:Myk|Myk]] 03:17, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

::* IM me! Exculpatory1 on AIM. ;-)

== Morons/Vandals ==

'''Okay, it was pretty much made crap by a vandal, who has now been blocked. Post your suggestions here, if you have something worth-while to suggest, and I can incorporate your changes. I think it more important we spend our time creating pages which are badly needed, and missing from here, rather than constantly reverting pages screwed around with by ***holes, who are obviously mentally impaired, or little kids with too much free time.''' --[[User:TK|TK]] 06:20, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

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Why is the point of this whole article to defend FOX news against criticism? Shouldnt it be about facts about FOX, and facts only? And then maybe have a separate "criticism" or "controversial" section at the bottom?

Is this an encyclopedia or is it something else? [[User:Messpm|Messpm]] 22:09, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

*''Well, it is something else'', it is the '''Conserv'''-apedia. It would be intellectually arguable that the smears and disinformation put out there about the Fox News Channel is now integral to all of the information about it. Therefore a large portion of the page will contain the "information you object to. Since you do not have a user page here, I have no idea if you are a registered member or what. If you had bothered to look at the page information, you would see it was totally devoid of information until I populated it two days ago. I am sorry if my abilities are not up to your obviously higher standards, but I have been doing other things, like working at my job, placating needy clients who also demand attention. It has been my intention to get back to it, organize it, add headers, etc. But since this is a wiki, I also expected others to help organize it as well. I have no problem with you adding the header: "Controversy" Some of the information, especially quotes from Roger Ailes would necessarily end up in both sections. If you feel you can at least be aware of our users affinity for Fox News, because they provide a non-judgemental forum for the Christian right and Republicans, have at it, your help would, indeed, and most sincerely be welcome! --[[User:TK|[[TK|TerryK]]([[User talk:TK|contact me]])]] 23:02, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

::I apologise for the somewhat aggressive tone in my former message. I had just read the locked moon article which, quite frankly, almost made me cry. I realize that this is a work in progress and that it is not no-where near complete in it's current state. And I would be happy to help, if I can find the time since I, like you, have things in real life to do as well. But until I can find the time to make some proper research my contribution will solely be in commenting the article.

::That being said, my biggest concern with the article is perhaps the large amount of facts, or maybe information is the right term since as you pointed out this is conservapedia and it is bound to have a bias, being added at once, instead of little at a time. In my mind, and you may or may not agree on this, less information in smaller packages makes the article easier to structure. Still, your effort in contributing what you have is a start and I would like to point out that this is not a complaint you should take personally, it is rather a suggestion to the future editors. Whoever that is, you, me, or someone else. [[User:Messpm|Messpm]] 10:34, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Thanks, Messpm! When collecting information, I find it sometimes easier to compose using Word, then pasting it over, so as I have the time, I add to it, then BAM! I paste it here. I know some additional headers and splitting it up some, for readability is needed. Sometimes with very political things, we need to move lots slower refining things. Putting emotions aside, by all credible studies and comments from people in the public arena, Fox has indeed surpassed the other news organizations in the US, in crediability, without giving up it's pro-America stance. A nifty trick, if the pros are to believed. ;-) Besides, just before midnite, my blood sugar is low, so I get cranky! :p --~ [[User:TK|Terry]] [[User_talk:TK|Talk2Me!]] 10:43, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

== Introductory paragraph needs work ==

The end of the first paragraph doesn't sound great on an encyclopedic level. There are several oddly worded rhetorical questions which need to go. Also the tone sounds like someone is loudly arguing, which is not encyclopedic.--[[User:Nomine Cervus|Nomine Cervus]] 02:23, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

I agree.

==Pic to add==
[[Image:FNC logo.jpg|thumb|right|Fox News Logo]]

== '''FOX NOISE CHANNEL''' ==

Thats the real name of this neocon run noise making channel. Its full of fear-mongers and radical neocons. KO said it best so get it right its Fox Noise Channel.

The worst part about it is these neocons are all fakes.[[USER:Smithson9999‎]]

:Oh, look. A Slobbermann groupie carrying out their marching orders. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 21:34, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

Jinxmchue just cured my anemia with all that irony. --[[User:9820|9820]] 00:21, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

:You think I watch Fox News? I don't have cable TV at all. Not even rabbit ears anymore. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 19:18, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Eh, who needs TV when you have the internet? :P--[[User:ITSAMEMARIO|ITSAMEMARIO]] 20:24, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

== Requested edits ==

* can someone mention the fact on how it finaly gave a voice to white middle class american males. Also,. it is an unfair unbalanced network [[User:Eljawa|Eljawa]] 10:06, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
:Sounds like a fairly racist POV you have expressed. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 11:52, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

* Could this article be added to [[:Category:Broadcasting]]? Thanks. --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 02:20, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Indeed it can! --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 07:23, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

There is an error in the last sentence of the last paragraph of the "Founding" section. "quit" instead of "quite"--[[User:TheGoodSociety|Joe]] 15:34, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

A lot of the statements in the article are not sourced and some are simply pure conjecture, also there is an obvious pro-Fox bias.--[[User:NeoCon4Life|NeoCon4Life]] 16:11, 4 November 2007 (EST)

*NeoCon/Liberal, please be specific! This isn't WP and trolling will be dealt with harshly! --[[User:TK|şyŝoρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]] 16:46, 4 November 2007 (EST)

*Do we have a citation for "It's been trouncing CNN, MSNBC and CNBC for years, and it quite often draws a much larger audience share than all competitors, combined."?
--[[User:Cowbell14|Cowbell14]] 15:18, 10 December 2007 (EST)

*Please tag that the sentence "It's been trouncing CNN, MSNBC and CNBC for years, and it quite often draws a much larger audience share than all competitors, combined."? needs to be cited. Recent information shows that CNN has slightly pulled ahead in overall ratings but can most likely be explained because of the major advertising campaigns they've been using. Regardless it needs a source cited to be an accurate statement and not just an opinion. --[[User:TheRockstar|TheRockstar]] 20:43, 1 February 2008 (EST)

*Please help ensure accuracy by removing opinion or conjecture and citing sources. Example: "Who can say what host Greta Van Susteren's politics are? She mostly covers the crime-of-the-day stories. Geraldo Rivera has always been liberal on most issues, with the exception of being a strong supporter of the military and stiff penalties for sex offenders.". This statement does not cite a source. While I may know from viewing that Rivera has been more liberal then others on the network people who are trying to get an educated factual statement don't know where it came from --[[User:TheRockstar|TheRockstar]] 20:47, 1 February 2008 (EST)

I would think it would be a good idea to have an article about the criticism fox news has gotten (I myself DO think it is a right wing station though) But some of the criticism it has gotten is a little bit absurd, and it would be somthing interesting to talk about.--[[User:ITSAMEMARIO|ITSAMEMARIO]] 20:27, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

== It's okay.... ==

Three Sysops editing at once, LOL. --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 22:48, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
:This article is starting to look fair and balanced. We probably need a little more about Ailes & his background. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:49, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

*Yes, maybe we can get another two or three admins in here working on it! :p --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 22:50, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

==Independent?==
You guys are conservatives, so facts don't always matter... But Bill O'Reilly has been shown as a registered Republican Many times. [[User:SirJim|SirJim]] 08:04, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

*That is in fact more [[deceit]]. O'Reilly is registered Independent. All voting rolls are public record in the United States, and you should not be making such inaccurate, and possible trolling posts. --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 15:31, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

Yes, but he WAS a registered rebulican, and he supossed was one when he was saying he is "independent" [[user:thegovernator]]

== bias. ==

this article reads like fox news, please consider moving to conserva-

owait, its already here.

facts < politics

flaming appreciated, its a bit cold here. {{unsigned|Headsup}}

EXCUSE ME!!! is this an article or an advertisment for fox news channel????? how about some facts. eg, when did it start broadcasting, where does it broadcast besides the united states, who are its directors, what are its main topics and programmes??? {{unsigned|Plqgnmv}}

*Okay, I excuse you. Now, how about you doing what editors are supposed to do, and suggest specifics here, or ask that it be unlocked for you to add them? --[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]] 18:45, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

==Internal Links==
Both [[Chris Wallace]] and [[Brit Hume]] lack internal links in this article, even though there are articles on both of them. You might want to change that. Thanks, --[[User:Tash|Tash]] 19:46, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

== Edit for Fair and Balanced section ==

In the interest of full disclosure, should the fact that Fox News is the biggest backer of Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson be mentioned?

I'm not sure of the accuracy of the claim, but it is on the front page of Conservapedia right now, and a backing of a presidential candidate by a news source is something of enough import to warrant its inclusion. {{unsigned|Stitch}}-- 00:54, 7 November 2007

*Well, news items are news items, articles in encyclopedia's are not the same, yes? What have one to do with the other? The source given was hard to find, but seems to be from someone's blog, and part of the citation there comes from one of those tabloid-like newspapers in the United Kingdom. Sort of a circuitous way to bring election coverage to the United States in my opinion, wouldn't you agree? So one should imagine whoever placed that item was just trying to use this silly sourced item for provoking discussion. --[[User:TK|şyŝoρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]] 04:53, 7 November 2007 (EST)

== By way of criticism: Fox News still has a liberal style ==

To demonstrate the impact [[liberal bias]] has on the media, this article should note some instances where the "liberal" style of news commentary remains on Fox, for example:
* "preference for obscenity and profanity" http://foxnewsporn.com/
* "over-reliance on mockery" - Fox commentary shows do a lot of this, it's not very Christian
* "believing that conservatives will fail" Fox's election coverage sometimes portrays Hillary as inevitable because of the overwhelming media consensus
* "pretending to know more than he does" Fox's commentators, especially O'Reilly, sometimes presume to know things they don't know

In this way the criticisms liberals lodge at Fox can be turned back at them as examples of typical liberal style. [[User:Shii|Shii]] 23:30, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Proof that Fox Noise has an agenda. ==
[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-begala/fox-news-we-report-e_b_80698.html Fox News: We Report -- Even if We Know It's False] Paul Begala complains about the lies told about him on air.

[http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/682323/EA_Slaps_Fox_News.html EA Slaps Fox News] EA's response to Fox News' recent overexaggerated claims of pornography in Mass Effect. Farren Ballast. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 23:04, 24 January 2008 (EST)
:Fox dutifully fulfills New Media Are Evil: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY here] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVDRx-V5n4 here] Then you've got [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGqPxn7njqM Fox News editing footage to make a dem look worse] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L5dYzu1w9k Fox ignoring Ron Paul], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxAPf2x96I0 Fox attacking "non-existant" veterans], and [http://foxattacks.com/ pretty much everything from Fox Attacks.]
:MSM is garbage. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 16:06, 27 January 2008 (EST)

::No? Fox Noise Channel's lies and attacks don't even warrant a "BUT THOSE ARE LOCAL CHANNELS" response? [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 16:49, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:::If you wish to continue to call it "Fox Noise Channel," please feel free to go back to DK or DU or wherever you came from (after I request that you be permanently blocked as a troll for it). [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 19:21, 28 January 2008 (EST)

::::Stop trolling, Barakada. Maybe the reason you've been ignored is that nobody can take you seriously. How about you actually write something and say "this is what I think should go into the article" instead of posting a bunch of links strung together with nonesense and opinion? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:25, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:::::Al...right... How about "The above links are proof that Fox News Channel does, indeed, have an agenda, and devotes parts of it's airtime to attacking forms of new media for no apparent reason, snubbing legit candidates, and attacking America's most patriotic citizens-- it's veterans."? Seriously, though, I thought I was allowed to show opinion on talk pages. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 23:25, 28 January 2008 (EST)

::::::You are allowed to have an opinion. I've already said it's not ''what'' you said but how you said it. Nobody's going to do the work for you, so if you want something placed into the article, write it up, including wikimarkup, and ask someone (I think it has to be a sysop) to either unlock the page or put the text in. None of your above posts are written in good encyclopedic form, so if indeed you were suggesting material for addition, the value of what you said got lost in the noise. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 00:16, 29 January 2008 (EST)

:::::::I didn't expect anyone to put my exact comments in the article. Even if I were to put the links above in in an encyclopedic form in a criticism section, I would surely be banned. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 19:47, 29 January 2008 (EST)

::::::::I don't get the point of complaining if you fully intend not to be taken seriously. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 10:26, 30 January 2008 (EST)

:::::::::I do intend to be taken seriously. However, I fully realise that any attempt to include those links in the article will come off as liberal bias, because it is. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 22:21, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Barikada, please take your [[liberal]] links and your [[liberal]] stories elsewhere. Or else try being more fair and balanced, like Fox News. [[User:Feebasfactor|Feebasfactor]] 19:31, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:Don't you start it now too, Feebas. There's nothing wrong with his links by themselves, but instead the problem is the manner in which he presented them. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:37, 28 January 2008 (EST)

::I'm sorry... :) Admittedly, Barikada could have been a bit less grating and sardonic in his presentation. And perhaps - if it were kept relatively neutral/objective - a reasonable section on "criticisms of Fox News" section could even be written (not sure how well it'd go over, but regardless). [[User:Feebasfactor|Feebasfactor]] 23:31, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:::I think as long as the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines]] are followed (particularly #Attribution), there is no reason why we shouldn't have a criticism section. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 00:16, 29 January 2008 (EST)

::::Criticism, yes. Hate-fueled smearing, no. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 00:10, 30 January 2008 (EST)

:::::Exactly. We don't allow that here, but neutral criticism is ok. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 10:26, 30 January 2008 (EST)

::::::The links above are hate-filled, I agree. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 22:21, 30 January 2008 (EST)

[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/arts/television/26mass.html This] clear retraction by Cooper Lawrence, the author who made the accusation makes the Roger Ailes quote seem pretty empty - "If you make a mistake, get on the air as fast as you can and admit it. ... Do your homework."

Also, despite having a commentator who had actually played the game available, Fox chose not to use him in the broadcast. It makes this quote of his fairly hollow-sounding: "Make sure you reach out to a point of view you don't agree with to be sure you have some balance in your piece, because journalists, despite the public perception, are not empty-headed fools.".

Hollow, that is, unless Fox does indeed retract. Which they may. When Hell freezes over. [[User:Reasonableperson|Reasonableperson]] 22:43, 29 January 2008 (EST)

I believe that, at the very least, the Begala bit should at least get some mention-- there's no way to spin that. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 22:21, 30 January 2008 (EST)

==Fox's ratings take another dive==
[http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/31/fox-news-ratings-take-another-slide/] Fox's ratings are dropping. If the decline of newspaper circulation is proof that society is becoming more liberal (As seen on the main page's talk page, courtesy of Andy) what does this mean? [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 19:50, 3 February 2008 (EST)
:Crooks and Liars and Media Matters. Wow. Great sources, Barikada. What's next? The Weekly World News? Don't bother clicking the link, folks. It's just mindless, biased liberal propaganda. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 15:02, 4 February 2008 (EST)
::Besides, any drop in [[Fox News]]' ratings is likely due to the liberal [[MSM]], trying to draw viewers away from responsable, balanced reporting with their [[liberal]] [[propaganda]]. [[User:Feebasfactor|Feebasfactor]] 18:05, 4 February 2008 (EST)

==Category change==

The Category:Broadcasting should be removed now that it is a supercategory of Category:Cable TV Networks. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 16:53, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

== Unencyclopedic ==

"There's no doubt, of course, that Fox News is closer to mainstream America than CBS, ABC, NBC or CNN. But, after all, that was its founding mission."

The preceding reads as an opinion. I am not arguing that the statement is untrue but I don't think a statement like that belongs in an encyclopedia. Please remove or rephrase. --[[User:Wikidan81|Wikidan81]] 11:15, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

== Sorry (re: Fox entertainment) ==

I was just trying to clarify criticism of Fox by conservatives. Should I make another article and link it?[[User:AlexanderM|AlexanderM]] 19:55, 13 December 2008 (EST)

:That's one alternative....check and make sure we don't already have an article about "Big Fox". They are all different corporate entities, the different networks, News, Sports, TV, etc. Thanks! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 19:58, 13 December 2008 (EST)
::[[Fox Network]]. Checked, and expanded.-[[User:AlexanderM|AlexanderM]] 19:59, 13 December 2008 (EST)

== "is a conservative ... channel" ==

I'd think Fox News is pretty unbiased, especially compared to other news channels. I was going to remove the word conservative but wanted to see what everyone here thinks. [[User:SaltLake|SaltLake]] 19:38, 29 January 2009 (EST)

== Conservative ==

Mr. TK sir, isn't it a conservative channel?--[[User:TaroMasuki|TaroMasuki]] 23:02, 29 January 2009 (EST)

:No. Even the John F. Kennedy School of Government, at Harvard, says it is one of the, or the most unbiased and balanced among all networks. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:04, 29 January 2009 (EST)
::That is very strange sir because on this thing [http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:lLVQk7Cmah8J:content.ksg.harvard.edu/leadership/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26id%3D539+"john+f+kennedy+school+of+government"+"fox+news+channel"+conservative&hl=ja&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=jp] from them it says that 74% of the people who like it are conservative or very conservative, which sir would ordinarily lead me to believe that its coverage tends to be conservative.--[[User:TaroMasuki|TaroMasuki]] 23:10, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Talk:Fox News Channel

2009-01-30T04:10:39Z

TaroMasuki: /* Conservative */

Suggest someone writes this page properly, fairly and honestly (yes it's biased toward GOP/conservatism) and then locks it.

This article is exceptionally better than its predecessor. --[[User:Truth is bipartisan|Truth is bipartisan]] 17:59, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

Well... the last article called Fox News Channel was copied wholesale from wikipedia. This is fine. But we appear to have lost the discussion page for [[Fox News]]. [[User:Myk|Myk]] 18:47, 17 March 2007 (EDT)

Please don't revert pages while someone is editing!

Thanks. :-) --[[User:TK|TK]] 03:02, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

:Psst... no way to know something is being edited ;) [[User:Myk|Myk]] 03:17, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

::* IM me! Exculpatory1 on AIM. ;-)

== Morons/Vandals ==

'''Okay, it was pretty much made crap by a vandal, who has now been blocked. Post your suggestions here, if you have something worth-while to suggest, and I can incorporate your changes. I think it more important we spend our time creating pages which are badly needed, and missing from here, rather than constantly reverting pages screwed around with by ***holes, who are obviously mentally impaired, or little kids with too much free time.''' --[[User:TK|TK]] 06:20, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

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Why is the point of this whole article to defend FOX news against criticism? Shouldnt it be about facts about FOX, and facts only? And then maybe have a separate "criticism" or "controversial" section at the bottom?

Is this an encyclopedia or is it something else? [[User:Messpm|Messpm]] 22:09, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

*''Well, it is something else'', it is the '''Conserv'''-apedia. It would be intellectually arguable that the smears and disinformation put out there about the Fox News Channel is now integral to all of the information about it. Therefore a large portion of the page will contain the "information you object to. Since you do not have a user page here, I have no idea if you are a registered member or what. If you had bothered to look at the page information, you would see it was totally devoid of information until I populated it two days ago. I am sorry if my abilities are not up to your obviously higher standards, but I have been doing other things, like working at my job, placating needy clients who also demand attention. It has been my intention to get back to it, organize it, add headers, etc. But since this is a wiki, I also expected others to help organize it as well. I have no problem with you adding the header: "Controversy" Some of the information, especially quotes from Roger Ailes would necessarily end up in both sections. If you feel you can at least be aware of our users affinity for Fox News, because they provide a non-judgemental forum for the Christian right and Republicans, have at it, your help would, indeed, and most sincerely be welcome! --[[User:TK|[[TK|TerryK]]([[User talk:TK|contact me]])]] 23:02, 18 March 2007 (EDT)

::I apologise for the somewhat aggressive tone in my former message. I had just read the locked moon article which, quite frankly, almost made me cry. I realize that this is a work in progress and that it is not no-where near complete in it's current state. And I would be happy to help, if I can find the time since I, like you, have things in real life to do as well. But until I can find the time to make some proper research my contribution will solely be in commenting the article.

::That being said, my biggest concern with the article is perhaps the large amount of facts, or maybe information is the right term since as you pointed out this is conservapedia and it is bound to have a bias, being added at once, instead of little at a time. In my mind, and you may or may not agree on this, less information in smaller packages makes the article easier to structure. Still, your effort in contributing what you have is a start and I would like to point out that this is not a complaint you should take personally, it is rather a suggestion to the future editors. Whoever that is, you, me, or someone else. [[User:Messpm|Messpm]] 10:34, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

Thanks, Messpm! When collecting information, I find it sometimes easier to compose using Word, then pasting it over, so as I have the time, I add to it, then BAM! I paste it here. I know some additional headers and splitting it up some, for readability is needed. Sometimes with very political things, we need to move lots slower refining things. Putting emotions aside, by all credible studies and comments from people in the public arena, Fox has indeed surpassed the other news organizations in the US, in crediability, without giving up it's pro-America stance. A nifty trick, if the pros are to believed. ;-) Besides, just before midnite, my blood sugar is low, so I get cranky! :p --~ [[User:TK|Terry]] [[User_talk:TK|Talk2Me!]] 10:43, 19 March 2007 (EDT)

== Introductory paragraph needs work ==

The end of the first paragraph doesn't sound great on an encyclopedic level. There are several oddly worded rhetorical questions which need to go. Also the tone sounds like someone is loudly arguing, which is not encyclopedic.--[[User:Nomine Cervus|Nomine Cervus]] 02:23, 27 March 2007 (EDT)

I agree.

==Pic to add==
[[Image:FNC logo.jpg|thumb|right|Fox News Logo]]

== '''FOX NOISE CHANNEL''' ==

Thats the real name of this neocon run noise making channel. Its full of fear-mongers and radical neocons. KO said it best so get it right its Fox Noise Channel.

The worst part about it is these neocons are all fakes.[[USER:Smithson9999‎]]

:Oh, look. A Slobbermann groupie carrying out their marching orders. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 21:34, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

Jinxmchue just cured my anemia with all that irony. --[[User:9820|9820]] 00:21, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

:You think I watch Fox News? I don't have cable TV at all. Not even rabbit ears anymore. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 19:18, 28 January 2008 (EST)

Eh, who needs TV when you have the internet? :P--[[User:ITSAMEMARIO|ITSAMEMARIO]] 20:24, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

== Requested edits ==

* can someone mention the fact on how it finaly gave a voice to white middle class american males. Also,. it is an unfair unbalanced network [[User:Eljawa|Eljawa]] 10:06, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
:Sounds like a fairly racist POV you have expressed. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 11:52, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

* Could this article be added to [[:Category:Broadcasting]]? Thanks. --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 02:20, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Indeed it can! --~ [[User:TK|TerryK]] [[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]] 07:23, 2 April 2007 (EDT)

There is an error in the last sentence of the last paragraph of the "Founding" section. "quit" instead of "quite"--[[User:TheGoodSociety|Joe]] 15:34, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

A lot of the statements in the article are not sourced and some are simply pure conjecture, also there is an obvious pro-Fox bias.--[[User:NeoCon4Life|NeoCon4Life]] 16:11, 4 November 2007 (EST)

*NeoCon/Liberal, please be specific! This isn't WP and trolling will be dealt with harshly! --[[User:TK|şyŝoρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]] 16:46, 4 November 2007 (EST)

*Do we have a citation for "It's been trouncing CNN, MSNBC and CNBC for years, and it quite often draws a much larger audience share than all competitors, combined."?
--[[User:Cowbell14|Cowbell14]] 15:18, 10 December 2007 (EST)

*Please tag that the sentence "It's been trouncing CNN, MSNBC and CNBC for years, and it quite often draws a much larger audience share than all competitors, combined."? needs to be cited. Recent information shows that CNN has slightly pulled ahead in overall ratings but can most likely be explained because of the major advertising campaigns they've been using. Regardless it needs a source cited to be an accurate statement and not just an opinion. --[[User:TheRockstar|TheRockstar]] 20:43, 1 February 2008 (EST)

*Please help ensure accuracy by removing opinion or conjecture and citing sources. Example: "Who can say what host Greta Van Susteren's politics are? She mostly covers the crime-of-the-day stories. Geraldo Rivera has always been liberal on most issues, with the exception of being a strong supporter of the military and stiff penalties for sex offenders.". This statement does not cite a source. While I may know from viewing that Rivera has been more liberal then others on the network people who are trying to get an educated factual statement don't know where it came from --[[User:TheRockstar|TheRockstar]] 20:47, 1 February 2008 (EST)

I would think it would be a good idea to have an article about the criticism fox news has gotten (I myself DO think it is a right wing station though) But some of the criticism it has gotten is a little bit absurd, and it would be somthing interesting to talk about.--[[User:ITSAMEMARIO|ITSAMEMARIO]] 20:27, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

== It's okay.... ==

Three Sysops editing at once, LOL. --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 22:48, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
:This article is starting to look fair and balanced. We probably need a little more about Ailes & his background. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 22:49, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

*Yes, maybe we can get another two or three admins in here working on it! :p --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 22:50, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

==Independent?==
You guys are conservatives, so facts don't always matter... But Bill O'Reilly has been shown as a registered Republican Many times. [[User:SirJim|SirJim]] 08:04, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

*That is in fact more [[deceit]]. O'Reilly is registered Independent. All voting rolls are public record in the United States, and you should not be making such inaccurate, and possible trolling posts. --[[User:TK|Sysop-TK]] [[User_talk:TK|/MyTalk]] 15:31, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

Yes, but he WAS a registered rebulican, and he supossed was one when he was saying he is "independent" [[user:thegovernator]]

== bias. ==

this article reads like fox news, please consider moving to conserva-

owait, its already here.

facts < politics

flaming appreciated, its a bit cold here. {{unsigned|Headsup}}

EXCUSE ME!!! is this an article or an advertisment for fox news channel????? how about some facts. eg, when did it start broadcasting, where does it broadcast besides the united states, who are its directors, what are its main topics and programmes??? {{unsigned|Plqgnmv}}

*Okay, I excuse you. Now, how about you doing what editors are supposed to do, and suggest specifics here, or ask that it be unlocked for you to add them? --[[User:TK|şŷŝôρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|Ṣρёаќǃ]] 18:45, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

==Internal Links==
Both [[Chris Wallace]] and [[Brit Hume]] lack internal links in this article, even though there are articles on both of them. You might want to change that. Thanks, --[[User:Tash|Tash]] 19:46, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

== Edit for Fair and Balanced section ==

In the interest of full disclosure, should the fact that Fox News is the biggest backer of Republican presidential candidate Fred Thompson be mentioned?

I'm not sure of the accuracy of the claim, but it is on the front page of Conservapedia right now, and a backing of a presidential candidate by a news source is something of enough import to warrant its inclusion. {{unsigned|Stitch}}-- 00:54, 7 November 2007

*Well, news items are news items, articles in encyclopedia's are not the same, yes? What have one to do with the other? The source given was hard to find, but seems to be from someone's blog, and part of the citation there comes from one of those tabloid-like newspapers in the United Kingdom. Sort of a circuitous way to bring election coverage to the United States in my opinion, wouldn't you agree? So one should imagine whoever placed that item was just trying to use this silly sourced item for provoking discussion. --[[User:TK|şyŝoρ-₮K]][[User_Talk:TK|/Ṣρёаќǃ]] 04:53, 7 November 2007 (EST)

== By way of criticism: Fox News still has a liberal style ==

To demonstrate the impact [[liberal bias]] has on the media, this article should note some instances where the "liberal" style of news commentary remains on Fox, for example:
* "preference for obscenity and profanity" http://foxnewsporn.com/
* "over-reliance on mockery" - Fox commentary shows do a lot of this, it's not very Christian
* "believing that conservatives will fail" Fox's election coverage sometimes portrays Hillary as inevitable because of the overwhelming media consensus
* "pretending to know more than he does" Fox's commentators, especially O'Reilly, sometimes presume to know things they don't know

In this way the criticisms liberals lodge at Fox can be turned back at them as examples of typical liberal style. [[User:Shii|Shii]] 23:30, 23 November 2007 (EST)

== Proof that Fox Noise has an agenda. ==
[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-begala/fox-news-we-report-e_b_80698.html Fox News: We Report -- Even if We Know It's False] Paul Begala complains about the lies told about him on air.

[http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/682323/EA_Slaps_Fox_News.html EA Slaps Fox News] EA's response to Fox News' recent overexaggerated claims of pornography in Mass Effect. Farren Ballast. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 23:04, 24 January 2008 (EST)
:Fox dutifully fulfills New Media Are Evil: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY here] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWVDRx-V5n4 here] Then you've got [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGqPxn7njqM Fox News editing footage to make a dem look worse] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L5dYzu1w9k Fox ignoring Ron Paul], [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxAPf2x96I0 Fox attacking "non-existant" veterans], and [http://foxattacks.com/ pretty much everything from Fox Attacks.]
:MSM is garbage. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 16:06, 27 January 2008 (EST)

::No? Fox Noise Channel's lies and attacks don't even warrant a "BUT THOSE ARE LOCAL CHANNELS" response? [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 16:49, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:::If you wish to continue to call it "Fox Noise Channel," please feel free to go back to DK or DU or wherever you came from (after I request that you be permanently blocked as a troll for it). [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 19:21, 28 January 2008 (EST)

::::Stop trolling, Barakada. Maybe the reason you've been ignored is that nobody can take you seriously. How about you actually write something and say "this is what I think should go into the article" instead of posting a bunch of links strung together with nonesense and opinion? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:25, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:::::Al...right... How about "The above links are proof that Fox News Channel does, indeed, have an agenda, and devotes parts of it's airtime to attacking forms of new media for no apparent reason, snubbing legit candidates, and attacking America's most patriotic citizens-- it's veterans."? Seriously, though, I thought I was allowed to show opinion on talk pages. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 23:25, 28 January 2008 (EST)

::::::You are allowed to have an opinion. I've already said it's not ''what'' you said but how you said it. Nobody's going to do the work for you, so if you want something placed into the article, write it up, including wikimarkup, and ask someone (I think it has to be a sysop) to either unlock the page or put the text in. None of your above posts are written in good encyclopedic form, so if indeed you were suggesting material for addition, the value of what you said got lost in the noise. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 00:16, 29 January 2008 (EST)

:::::::I didn't expect anyone to put my exact comments in the article. Even if I were to put the links above in in an encyclopedic form in a criticism section, I would surely be banned. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 19:47, 29 January 2008 (EST)

::::::::I don't get the point of complaining if you fully intend not to be taken seriously. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 10:26, 30 January 2008 (EST)

:::::::::I do intend to be taken seriously. However, I fully realise that any attempt to include those links in the article will come off as liberal bias, because it is. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 22:21, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Barikada, please take your [[liberal]] links and your [[liberal]] stories elsewhere. Or else try being more fair and balanced, like Fox News. [[User:Feebasfactor|Feebasfactor]] 19:31, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:Don't you start it now too, Feebas. There's nothing wrong with his links by themselves, but instead the problem is the manner in which he presented them. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 19:37, 28 January 2008 (EST)

::I'm sorry... :) Admittedly, Barikada could have been a bit less grating and sardonic in his presentation. And perhaps - if it were kept relatively neutral/objective - a reasonable section on "criticisms of Fox News" section could even be written (not sure how well it'd go over, but regardless). [[User:Feebasfactor|Feebasfactor]] 23:31, 28 January 2008 (EST)

:::I think as long as the [[Conservapedia:Guidelines]] are followed (particularly #Attribution), there is no reason why we shouldn't have a criticism section. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 00:16, 29 January 2008 (EST)

::::Criticism, yes. Hate-fueled smearing, no. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 00:10, 30 January 2008 (EST)

:::::Exactly. We don't allow that here, but neutral criticism is ok. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 10:26, 30 January 2008 (EST)

::::::The links above are hate-filled, I agree. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 22:21, 30 January 2008 (EST)

[http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/arts/television/26mass.html This] clear retraction by Cooper Lawrence, the author who made the accusation makes the Roger Ailes quote seem pretty empty - "If you make a mistake, get on the air as fast as you can and admit it. ... Do your homework."

Also, despite having a commentator who had actually played the game available, Fox chose not to use him in the broadcast. It makes this quote of his fairly hollow-sounding: "Make sure you reach out to a point of view you don't agree with to be sure you have some balance in your piece, because journalists, despite the public perception, are not empty-headed fools.".

Hollow, that is, unless Fox does indeed retract. Which they may. When Hell freezes over. [[User:Reasonableperson|Reasonableperson]] 22:43, 29 January 2008 (EST)

I believe that, at the very least, the Begala bit should at least get some mention-- there's no way to spin that. [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 22:21, 30 January 2008 (EST)

==Fox's ratings take another dive==
[http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/01/31/fox-news-ratings-take-another-slide/] Fox's ratings are dropping. If the decline of newspaper circulation is proof that society is becoming more liberal (As seen on the main page's talk page, courtesy of Andy) what does this mean? [[User:Barikada|Barikada]] 19:50, 3 February 2008 (EST)
:Crooks and Liars and Media Matters. Wow. Great sources, Barikada. What's next? The Weekly World News? Don't bother clicking the link, folks. It's just mindless, biased liberal propaganda. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 15:02, 4 February 2008 (EST)
::Besides, any drop in [[Fox News]]' ratings is likely due to the liberal [[MSM]], trying to draw viewers away from responsable, balanced reporting with their [[liberal]] [[propaganda]]. [[User:Feebasfactor|Feebasfactor]] 18:05, 4 February 2008 (EST)

==Category change==

The Category:Broadcasting should be removed now that it is a supercategory of Category:Cable TV Networks. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 16:53, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

== Unencyclopedic ==

"There's no doubt, of course, that Fox News is closer to mainstream America than CBS, ABC, NBC or CNN. But, after all, that was its founding mission."

The preceding reads as an opinion. I am not arguing that the statement is untrue but I don't think a statement like that belongs in an encyclopedia. Please remove or rephrase. --[[User:Wikidan81|Wikidan81]] 11:15, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

== Sorry (re: Fox entertainment) ==

I was just trying to clarify criticism of Fox by conservatives. Should I make another article and link it?[[User:AlexanderM|AlexanderM]] 19:55, 13 December 2008 (EST)

:That's one alternative....check and make sure we don't already have an article about "Big Fox". They are all different corporate entities, the different networks, News, Sports, TV, etc. Thanks! --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']][[User_Talk:TK|/Talk!]] 19:58, 13 December 2008 (EST)
::[[Fox Network]]. Checked, and expanded.-[[User:AlexanderM|AlexanderM]] 19:59, 13 December 2008 (EST)

== "is a conservative ... channel" ==

I'd think Fox News is pretty unbiased, especially compared to other news channels. I was going to remove the word conservative but wanted to see what everyone here thinks. [[User:SaltLake|SaltLake]] 19:38, 29 January 2009 (EST)

== Conservative ==

Mr. TK sir, isn't it a conservative channel?--[[User:TaroMasuki|TaroMasuki]] 23:02, 29 January 2009 (EST)

:No. Even the John F. Kennedy School of Government, at Harvard, says it is one of the, or the most unbiased and balanced among all networks. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]/Admin[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]] 23:04, 29 January 2009 (EST)
::That is very strange sir because on [http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:lLVQk7Cmah8J:content.ksg.harvard.edu/leadership/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26id%3D539+"john+f+kennedy+school+of+government"+"fox+news+channel"+conservative&hl=ja&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=jp this thing] from them it says that 74% of the people who like it are conservative or very conservative, which sir would ordinarily lead me to believe that its coverage tends to be conservative.--[[User:TaroMasuki|TaroMasuki]] 23:10, 29 January 2009 (EST)

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