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== IRC ==

Does Conservapedia have an official or unofficial IRC channel? - Hak

:I'm not sure. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 20:54, 15 March 2008 (EDT)

== Leptospirosis ==

Just saw that an article named Leptospirosis was deleted. wonder why? can I re-create it?

thanks--[[User:JBuscombe|JBuscombe]] 15:49, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

== Martin ==

Why? There is nothing wrong with those links. On the contrary, It can give us more traffic. Do you have a proof that Google would not like it? --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 22:05, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

:I talked with Andy about it awhile back. Also, I've discussed search engines with User:Conservative. Google does not like it when links are placed at random without a clear correlation. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:06, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

:: Ok. Let them be until Andy say the last word. They are not without correlation. They are actors all of them. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 22:10, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

:::He is already in the Actors category, which links to all other actors anyway. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:11, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

:::: For us it is better to have more traffic and that is a better way than in the Category place. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 22:13, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

==Animals A etc.==
Can you move [[Animals A]] to [[Animal Terms A]]
[[Animals C]] to [[Animal Terms C]]
[[Animals G]] to [[Animal Terms G]]
[[Animals P]] to [[Animal Terms P]]
[[Animals V]] to [[Animal Terms V]]
[[Animals W]] to [[Animal Terms W]]
[[Animals Y]] to [[Animal Terms Y]]
[[Animals Z]] to [[Animal Terms Z]]
? --[[User:Qweki2|Qweki2]] 22:22, 16 March 2008 (EDT)

==Possible Bans?==
What is the highest possible block time? (besides infinite). Also, can you make a ban of [[User:Liberal9188]] and [[User:HHSFake]].. so I'm not tempted to use either of those accounts again.
:I have one final request.. could you ban me for 3 years, 1 month, and 4 days? Or 5 years if you don't want to type all that in. The reason can be: "request by user". Thanks. -^_^- [[User:Kektklik|Fuzzy]] 09:44, 20 March 2008 (EDT)
::I once copped a fourteen year stretch. I think the sysop must have been bored. [[User:HarryWharton|HarryWharton]] 10:43, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

For banning, can you do something like "3 days, 1 day, 4 days, etc." o_0 [[User:Kektklik|Fuzzy|AFD]] 21:37, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

== So, what's the policy ==

The reason JM unfairly banned me was because I was removing the nonsensical see-also links on various pages. My reason for doing so was because it isn't encyclopedic. I began doing it ''en masse'' when I saw what you wrote to JM that it wasn't our policy. His response: It'll boost our google rankings. (VERY encyclopedic).

So, what's the policy now? I don't want another ban. [[User:DLerner|ד.לערנער]] 22:43, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

:Tread lightly when working with Sysops showing them the respect they are due. If you are going to be making changes to their work, then talk with them first and make sure there is a common understanding. This should be followed for all people, but of course Sysops can also ban you for it. Unless there is a specific written policy saying all 'See Also' sections should be removed, then it is unwise to attempt to remove them ''en masse'' on your own. Talk page discussions between sysops, especially before a specific resolution has been reached, do not count. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:59, 20 March 2008 (EDT)

==Thanks==
Thank you. [[User:Feuerstein|Feuerstein]] 00:14, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
==Why not copy from Wikipedia? ==

I wrote those articles on Wikipedia , Asteroid.--[[User:Asteroid|Asteroid]] 01:15, 22 March 2008 (EDT)
CLtFn--[[User:Asteroid|Asteroid]] 01:19, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

== Blessings to you on Easter - ==

Dear Dan H, You have been doing wonderful work here. :) Wishing you every blessing and joy this Easter - [[User:Taj|Taj]] 00:57, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

== Happy Easter and...... ==

Happy Easter! I am sending you a private email in about 2 minutes. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:10, 23 March 2008 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

While I appreciate the action, now might be a time to save oneself. Thankyou, though. --[[User:Wikinterpreter|'''wikinterpreter''']] [http://www.conservapedia.com/User_talk:Wikinterpreter Modspeed!]

:: Thank you! --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 17:37, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

== Great example ==

Great example of [[opportunity costs]], Dan!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 19:52, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

:Thanks! Opportunity cost is maybe the most useful thing I've learned about in college so far. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 19:55, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

== Request ==

Dear Dan, I am currently trying to get night edit rights so that I can better contribute to Conservapedia. As a sysop who has had experience working with me, I would like to ask for your support. If you feel that I deserve edit rights, please say so [[User_talk:Aschlafly#Request_.2F_question|here]]. If you do not think I deserve them, I fully understand and I thank you anyway. Sincerely, [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 01:19, 30 March 2008 (EDT)

==Name-calling==

Could there be any more damning evidence of the bankruptcy of liberal thought then the incessant campaign of name-calling by liberals against conservatives? If they had a rebuttal to conservative thought, they could simply present it in the [[Marketplace of ideas]]. Calling people liars isn't going to help their cause much. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]] 13:14, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Deborah ==

Yes, She seems to have expertice in several areas. [[User:BertSchlossberg]] also and she deleted several sentences from his work failing the discussion both had about that subject.
:I'll have to look at that. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:50, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

:: See [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Midrash&oldid=418826] First strike she did. --[[User:Joaquín Martínez]], [[User talk:Joaquín Martínez|talk]] 22:52, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
:::Thanks for the link. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:57, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

== Liberal Tools ==

Mr. Schlafly created it, I have not heard of him doing any strange vandalism. ;) [[User:Geo.plrd|Geoff Plourde]][[User_talk:Geo.plrd|Complain!]] 03:15, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

:Haha... oops. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 03:26, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

== Christianity templates ==

Dan, you just protected a bunch of almost identical templates (user, Protestant, Baptist etc.) which could be better written as a single template with a parameter. I was about to rewrite them when I saw that you had locked them. I won't do it now as it's late in my time zone, but would appreciate access to modify them at some point. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 18:59, 2 April 2008 (EDT)
:Unprotected. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 19:09, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

== Satan ==

Do you think you could unprotect Satan? (On this site) I think we could handle any vandals. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 12:31, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

== ChrisGomez ==
Really good block there Dan, hearty congratulations. Never mind he's been working his fingers to the bone making improvements to CP, he's a sock so he's got to go.... Clever guy. [[User:Peason|Peason]] 14:38, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
:How would you know? You don't have access to checkuser. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 14:52, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
::So what's the scoop? I'm interested as well. He added a lot of thick, meaty content with nary a peep. Are these the people you don't want here? [[User:Donaldson|Donaldson]]
:::It's a user making a whole lot of socks, some of which engaged in poor conduct besides Gomez, and it's all been done by one individual. If this user wants to come back, then it's only going to be one name, one account, no proxies. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 16:20, 4 April 2008 (EDT)
::::I see. Are the posts which are considered "poor conduct" by the other user(s) being made at the same time as ChrisGomez? What I'm saying is all it takes is a spiteful lib co-worker, using the same proxy from work, to walk behind is desk and see that he's editing CP. Any liberal would be sneaky enough to create his own username and password and start trolling.
::::When I was banned from Wikipedia (long, wondeful story), it stopped about 1200 people from changing anything.[[User:Donaldson|Donaldson]] 16:50, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

==Cracking the filter==

http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Francis_%46ukuyama&action=edit&section=1

== Hooray Kansas ==

Congrats, but you do of course know that had Bucknell made it to the tournament this year, and had we played each other, we SO would have knocked you out this year. Again. So you should be thanking us. ;-) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 15:24, 8 April 2008 (EDT)

==Expelled edit==

Why dod you revert the expelled change?
The sentance 'making one wonder...' is really unencyclopedic
[[User:AdenJ|AdenJ]] 01:09, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
:It's probably not best to change the wording of the site's creator immediately after putting it there. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 02:19, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

== A user's page is his castle, huh? ==

You know, just because I may have committed ''lese majeste'' against Blessed St. Ronald is no reason to go messing up the format of my userpage. Which nobody is supposed to mess with, anyway. And I '''do''' think Reagan was showing signs of Alzheimer's back in 1980. --[[User:Gulik5|Gulik5]]

:That doesn't give you the right to be mean spirited or violate the Conservapedia Commandments. And don't be condescending enough to say that I think that Reagan is a saint. I have major problems with his deficit spending policies. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 16:02, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

== Page move request ==
can you delete [[States of the Unites States of America]] and [[States]] all they do is redirect to a category -- [[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]] [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|(contributions)]] [[User_talk:Deborah|(talk)]] 13:34, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
:[[States of the United States of America]] is linked to from [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Whatlinkshere/States_of_the_United_States_of_America eight other pages]. Deleting it will break those links. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:36, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

== Opinion requested ==

Could you please weigh in on the discussion [[Conservapedia talk:Manual of Style#City/town/county names as article titles?|here]]? We're looking for more opinions and hope to arrive at some sort of style definition. Thanks. [[User:Jinkas|Jinkas]] 19:39, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

== Hi! from all of us at AtheistHQ ==
Hi Dan! You missed a few of us, ya big lug! And, on a different subject, you got something against quirky Twin Peaks references? [[User:TrueScouse|TrueScouse]] 23:35, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
:I must have missed it - can't say I've ever watched Twin Peaks. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 00:02, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
::Oh, you ''should'', it's great. For future reference, when someone addresses a tape recorder by name, that's ''probably'' a TP-related joke. Plus, "hit the road jack"? ''That's'' a pretty odd joke as well, wouldn't ya say? [[User:BlueMouse|BlueMouse]] 06:14, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

== Looks like a troll ==

[[User:Alexjohnc3]]

[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Westboro_Baptist_Church&diff=prev&oldid=410893 Recent comment]:

<blockquote>
Maybe they're so conservative that they're liberal. Like they go around the whole political spectrum? Or maybe, just maybe, this "encyclopedia" is just a load of BS written "[[Creationists|conservatives]]" who are upset that their beliefs all too often don't match up with reality so they need their own little sand box where they can censor any dissenters and tell themselves they're trustworthy and honest all they want without the threat of having their (crazy) beliefs mocked or criticized by anyone.
</blockquote>
[[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 21:38, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

== A major online conservative christian newspaper..... ==

A major online conservative christian newspaper is very interested in regards to Conservapedia's [[atheism]] article and the reporter said she would very likely do a story on it. She said her readers are VERY interested in the subject of atheism and the story that we are promoting our article and that some major Christian internet ministries have started to feature our article is a good story. I am making the conservapedia [[atheism]] article the article of the month which I think fits in nicely with the Expelled controversy. I have sent Andy an email on this matter and I am awaiting an answer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:46, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
==Ajdak and Aydak==
Delete
*[[Ajdak]]
*[[Aydak]]

I can't find any information proving these are actually considered deities by any people -- [[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]] [[User:Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|(contributions)]] [[User_talk:Deborah|(talk)]] 19:46, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

:Thank you. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 19:47, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

==Wife==
Why the reversion? I have, as requested by Philip, provided Biblical references on which the statement is founded. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:27, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

== Great! ==

Thank God, you came in at the right time!--[[User:MReilly|MReilly]] 15:38, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

: Do you really think that God cares about websites? --[[User:DeanSa|DeanSa]] 15:43, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

== IndianaJ ==

Dan, I had a look at his edits and not all of it needs reverting - I would skip the talk pages for example so long as it's not objectionable. [[User:BrianCo|BrianCo]] 16:05, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== I'm not a sock ==

I am not a sock. Yes, I am the same person who was TNS 1 and 2, but only because I lost the passwords to those accounts. They are no longer in use. [[User:TheNobleSith4|TheNobleSith4]] 00:48, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

== sysop-protected page ==

Hi, [[Lemon Test]] page has been protected: ''*10 February 2008 DanH Protected "Lemon test" [edit=sysop:move=sysop]'' - this page shows up in the list of "uncategorized pages" - requesting unprotect long enough to add a category, thanks! :) [[User:Taj|Taj]] 21:04, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
:Certainly. I forgot that was still protected. Hopefully three months is long enough. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 21:05, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

:: Thank you! :) I added categories, if desired, please feel free to protect again, I'm done there now! -- [[User:Taj|Taj]] 21:15, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

==Ravings from the other side==

Good luck with your finals! [[User:NewHouse|NewHouse]] 22:18, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

== Vandal ==

My talk page was vandalized, can i report this to you? --[[User:Reallife|Reallife]] 01:30, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Cheers, ill know that for the future, god bless. --[[User:Reallife|Reallife]] 01:39, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Ans ==
Right, right. I'm so used to pressing "delete" instead of "backspace"... sorry about that. +_+ [[User:Kektklik|Kektk]] 23:22, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

:Ans is French for "years", so it's still a word. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Question ==

Did you delete my Conservapedia bias page?
If you did, you're just proving my point. {{unsigned|Kaiisin}}
:No, that does not prove your point in any way. Sorry. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 23:35, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
::Yes I did, and do you really expect an "equal airing" on a site called Conservapedia? [[User:DanH|DanH]] 03:11, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
:::I expected "the facts" but I guess I'll go elsewhere for that. {{unsigned|Kaiisin}}

== quick note ==

DanH, in about a minute I am sending you an email I sent Andy and some other conservapedia Sysops. Your input would be much appreciated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:50, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
:::By the way, I have the vote of Joaquin Martinez and Ed Poor. TerryH read my proposal and has not stated anything for or against my proposal but my guess is that he will be for my proposal based on my previous interaction with TerryH. Do I have your vote for my proposal? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:09, 15 May 2008 (EDT)
:At this point in time, I abstain. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 15:12, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

== [[al Qaeda]] ==

Hi, I'd like to make some changes to the article as described [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AAl_Qaeda&diff=440525&oldid=286437 here], but the article is locked. Any chance of getting it unlocked? [[User:Dchall1|Dchall1]] 14:45, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
:I unlocked it. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 14:48, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
::Thanks, changes made. [[User:Dchall1|Dchall1]] 14:54, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

==Hitler==
Why did you delete then restore an article that kills its view count and decreases its ranking-- [[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]] [[User:Deborah|Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|(contributions)]] [[User_talk:Deborah|(talk)]] 14:54, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
::Because it's an embarrassment to have Adolf Hitler in the top 5 for most viewed pages. It's bad enough that it was done with all the Homosexuality pages. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 14:55, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Just keep it like that, it will get us more traffic to our site, and I know it looks bad, but it increases rankings -- [[Image:50 star flag.png|12px]] [[User:Deborah|Deborah]] [[Special:Contributions/Deborah|(contributions)]] [[User_talk:Deborah|(talk)]] 14:58, 18 May 2008 (EDT)
*I don't really care if Conservapedia is in the top 10 when you search for Adolf Hitler. It won't be anyway because there are way too many more popular sites that have already climbed the Google rankings. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 13:19, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

== Userpage ==
If you don't mind me asking, what was that pledge removal thing about?[[User:Moonboots|Moonboots]] 21:34, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

==Communism and socialism==

Thanks, Dan. [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Socialism&diff=next&oldid=459168] I have trouble explaining the distinction between [[Communism]] and [[Socialism]]. Perhaps a chart or table would help. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] [[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]

==Hi==

I noticed you deleted an article on [[Liberal Depravity]] just now for being parody. Although most likely written by a scheming editor, is it not a bit of a double standard to allow articles that scream parody to remain here on this site? I'm referring to Liberal tricks etc. and the homosexual articles. {{unsigned|JEdgar}}

::I don't think Conservative has parody in mind. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 17:32, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

:You are seperating the intent from the crime. If someone murders someone, its largely irrelevant if they intended them to die or not. By pointing the gun, even if they didn't mean to kill, they are asking for trouble. The same goes for these ludicrous articles. They make Conservapedia look like a parody of conservatism though are written by genuine people of a particularly reality-divorced position. You are a reasonable man, yet you never stand up to this nonsense. Why? [[User:JEdgar|JEdgar]] 19:08, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

This person appears to be a trouble-maker, Dan. Check his edits and especially his userpage message. I think that's a good indicator of the type of behavior we should expect from him. [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 21:51, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

:::Because it would just get reversed. I'm not the only sysop watching. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:57, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

== Liberal depravity ==

If you didn't like my article, why not improve on it? Surely, nobody reading this site could draw any OTHER conclusion but that Liberals are immoral monsters, driven solely by their disgusting glandular urges and UTTER HATRED of God and America. Fnord. --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 17:23, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

:I don't share that view, in fact, I have liberal views on some issue. You're obviously being a parodist. I expect better from you. Cut it out. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 17:28, 23 May 2008 (EDT)
If ''these'' are all "real articles":
* Classical liberal
* Drinking Liberally
* Godless liberal
* Hollywood values
* Last wordism
* Liberal activists
* Liberal arts
* Liberal Arts college
* Liberal Bias
* Liberal celebrity obsession
* Liberal Behavior on Conservapedia
* Liberal Christianity
* Liberal deceit
* Liberal Democrats
* Liberal denial
* Liberal Elite
* Liberal Falsehoods
* Liberal Fascism
* Liberal friendship
* Liberal Gloss
* Liberal grading
* Liberal hate speech
* Liberal Hypocrisy
* Liberal hysteria
* Liberal ideology
* Liberal Intellectualism
* Liberalism and art
* Liberal labels
* Liberal Lies About the American Right
* Liberal logic
* Liberal Mind
* Liberal Myths
* Liberal obfuscation
* Liberal Party
* Liberal quotient
* Liberal supremacist
* Liberal Style
* Liberal tools
* Liberal tricks
* Liberal values
* Massachusetts liberal
* Professor values
(All taken from [[Liberal]])
Then I humbly submit that [[Liberal depravity]] should fit RIGHT IN.
(And what are you allegedly have liberal views about, and how did you keep Mr. Schlafly from finding out?) --[[User:Gulik|Gulik]] 17:38, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

:Public education, environmental issues/global warming, war on drugs. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 17:39, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

== AFR ==

D'oh! Thanks for those. :) [[User:Jinxmchue|Jinxmchue]] 23:27, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

:I was initially confused as to why there wasn't an article on NPR. Great article, by the way! [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:37, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

== Sierpiński ==

Wow, thanks for the instantaneous move of the page! [[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 16:00, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

==Kitzmiller Article==

I posted another edit of the Kitzmiller v Dover article on the article's talk page. Could you please review? --[[User:Jimmy|Jimmy]] 11:16, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

==Truman123==
Dan, you just blocked someone for five years for changing one word on the Nicaragua page, possibly mistakenly. A block might be warranted, but don't you think you're being a bit crazily harsh? I would think a week would be sufficient punishment for a mistake that might well have been an honest one?
Just asking you to think about it.--[[user:TomMoore|Tom Moore]][[User talk:TomMoore|fiat justitia ruat coelum]] 19:00, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

== Plates ==

Hey, I noticed you undid my change [[Choose Life License Plates|here]] but didn't give an explanation. Thanks for your time. [[User:SamSamson|SamSamson]] 16:34, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

== About the "Screamo" page ==

You commented on my talk page about "Screamo" and asked about sources, proof, ect.

Here goes:

1. You beleive that bands such as "The Used", "Rise Against", "Atreyu", and others are "Screamo" bands. This is not the case

Here is a sample of real "Screamo"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pmkHtTWcCPM

Here is a sample of something that is NOT screamo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vDz2mWMMRN0

Clearly, there is a difference in the two songs. The "Screamo" sample includes music that is nearly completely composed of screaming vocals, while the "Non-Screamo" sample is composed mostly of singing vocals with little screaming sections.

To be classified as "Screamo", a song must have mostly screaming vocals in it, and not for only 10-20 seconds. It has to be nearly the WHOLE song.
Here is a link to a site which contains user votes on what is "real screamo" and what is not

http://www.last.fm/tag/real%20screamo
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=159848

2. Next up, you questioned why i listed bands that did not popularize the genre.
Well, here is what is going down: The Used, Atreyu, and Rise Against are not screamo, thus they did not popularize the genre

However, I listed bands such as CTTS, Envy, and Funeral Dinner because they are the bands that have started the genre, as well as popularizing it. You can read it on other sites (including wikipedia)

Alright, theres my discussion for the day. I suggest you keep the "screamo" page as it is, because non of the bands that were originally listed were considered as "screamo" bands

{{unsigned|Yelonde}}

== thank you ==

Thank you for noticing, and reverting, the ridiculous comment someone left on my talk page. [[User:Taj|Taj]] 18:20, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Why did you revert my edits? ==

Hello Dan,

Why did you revert my edits to the [[Apartheid]] page? It added a wealth of new information to the article.

Regards.

:Because they reflected a pro-apartheid viewpoint and we do not support that here. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 21:16, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Sorry? Pro-Apartheid? I simply said that PW Botha put the idea of the creation of a Colored and Indian Houses of Parliament to the White electorate, of whom 66% voted to include. Can you tell me how that is pro-Apartheid? It's fact, not opinion.

Secondly Dr.Verwoerd did change the name from Apartheid to seperate developement, check on the United Nations website if you don't believe me.

The previous person to edit it put "unfortunately" the West backed them. How is it unfortunate? Conservative regimes in the West backed the Christian, capitalist regime of the National Party against the Marxist, atheist ANC and PAC.

And thirdly, I came here to be with fellow Conservatives. Forbidding pro-Apartheid material is a very liberal course of action, in my belief.

Regards.

== Rule 5 of the Conservapedia Commandments ==

"Do not post personal opinion on an encyclopedia entry. Opinions can be posted on Talk:pages or on debate or discussion pages. Advertisements are prohibited."

The person who editted [[Apartheid]] before me inserted their opinion by putting "unfortunately" Western governments backed Apartheid. Shouldn't their edits be reverted?

[[User:Alfred123|Alfred123]]

== AWB ==

What??? Are you out to get me here or something. You are watching my every edit and then reverting them on a whim.

The AWB is conservative, it wished to conserve the regime that was in place. It was not racist, it was racialist yes, it acknowledged the existance of different races.

Why would a "racist" organisation enter in an alliance with the Black Inkatha Freedom Party?

[[User:Alfred123|Alfred]]
: What "different races"? There's one race: the human race. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 08:23, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Indeed, but that was not the view of the [[AWB]].

[[User:Alfred123|Alfred]]

== Black people could vote under Apartheid ==

DanH,

Black people could vote under Apartheid, in their Bantustans, but not in White South Africa. So it is unfair to say that Black people were only given the vote in 1994. In fact in the Bophuthatswana Bantustan it appeared most of its Black residents did not want to vote, as there was only a 0.6% turnout.

[[User:Alfred123|Alfred]]

I sent you an email buddy
[[User:AdenJ|AdenJ]] 06:44, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Sorry {{unsigned|Jedisqrl}}

== User:Jpatt ==

At the risk of sounding like a subversive jerk, are you sure two weeks isn't too much? [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 23:34, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

:Maybe so... you can reduce it if you'd like.. I was actually tempted to make it much longer. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 23:40, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

::I vote reduce it to one week. For name calling and edit warring. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] (CPAdmin1)[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]] [[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]] 23:49, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
:::What page was the name calling and edit warring on? [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 23:54, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
:His own talk page. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 00:01, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
I see. The insult was directed at a now banned troll. I would recommend a short block or just a warning (which he didn't get unless he removed it). Parodist or not, he at least added content. That's what we need. Oh well, I support whatever you choose. I trust you want what's best :)[[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 00:07, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
:I think the insult was directed as much at me as it was at the other user. As for the "banned troll" I don't know if he deserved a block. all he did was disagree with Andy on something. He wasn't even blocked by a sysop. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] (CPAdmin1)[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]] [[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]] 00:10, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
I interpreted his comment as being directed at Tim, but it was kind of ambiguous. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 00:28, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
:If the comment was directed at Tim and Tim is ok with a reduction, then we should honor that request. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 01:28, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
I reduced the block to a week per Henry and Tim. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 02:17, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

== Poll ==

I added another one. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] (CPAdmin1)[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]] [[User:CPAdmin1/Polls|Vote in my NEW polls]] 00:03, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

==Thanks==

Thank you, sir. [[User:Ultimahero|Ultimahero]] 05:55, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

== please see my note to him regarding revert ==

please see my note to him regarding revert. for example, the david quote gets duplicated. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 23:56, 14 June 2008 (EDT)

==Conservative Style Page==
Please see the "Colleges" Section of Mr. Schalfly's talk page. In that section, he gave express permission for a "conservative style" page. --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 21:34, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
:But this was an express parody. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 21:35, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
How so? It was merely trying to emulate the format and style of the Liberal Style page. It is not parody, it is creating a more complete encyclopedia. --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 21:36, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
:It ''was'' parody, and even if it was sincerely meant - which I doubt - that still wouldn't make it acceptable. Faulty appeal to "balance" or "a more complete encyclopedia" is part of [[Liberal Style]]. We are not here to make a "complete" encyclopedia. We are here to make a ''truthful'' and ''accurate'' encyclopedia, and attacking the project won't get you anywhere. [[User:Marty|Marty]] 21:42, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
But what defined it as a parody? I know parody as defined as "a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule." The Conservative Style page, however, is imitated not in ridicule but only in the name of being "truthful" and "accurate." The style of the liberal style page was imitated to maintain consistency. --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 21:45, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
:There's really nothing more I can say. I'm not a big proponent of demonization of ideologies... [[User:DanH|DanH]] 21:46, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
So you are saying that because you are a counter-example to one of the points made, that the page merits deletion? --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 21:48, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
:No, that's not what I meant. I was referring to my personal opinion of the liberal style page. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 21:50, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
I apologize, but I am not quite sure I understand what you are trying to communicate. I believe that what you are saying is that you do not agree with all the points given in the liberal style page. Is that correct? If not, some elucidation would be greatly appreciated. Thank you --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 21:53, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
:Yes, it is correct. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 21:54, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
If that is your basis for the deletion of the conservative style page, then why is the liberal style page also not marked and processed for deletion? --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 21:55, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
:It was not intended by its authors as a parody - the new page was intended to parodize a page with sincerity in intentions. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:01, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
So you are saying that you presume to know the intentions of its authors? It interests me as to how you could know this, as the authors never expressly dictated their motivations. Unless if I am missing something, I cannot see how you could definitively know the intentions of the authors. --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 22:05, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
:No, though I can reasonably infer. Even if that wasn't the case, I can't delete something written by the site owner. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:07, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
But you can delete something that was given express permission by the owner of the site? Be careful with assumptions, they can lead to a faulty conclusion. --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 22:09, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
:It was re-created I see, so I'll let others sort it out for now. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 22:12, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
Glad we could reach a compromise. Pleasure talking to you good sir. --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 22:14, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Obama and Islam ==

DanH, please don't leave over it. Just make your disapproval known. It's the best you can do, and we really need you here. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 20:52, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

== Burning a sock ==

'''Hi Dan,''' this is your old pal FIippin. A long time ago, when you banned me, I was a little upset, but I appreciated the fact that you did so in accordance with your principles. As FIippin, I actually only committed a small act of vandalism for which Ed banned me for a week. I came back and lasted until the purge about a year ago. At that time, one of the pages I was working on was about a poet. I forget who, probably my favorite, [[Richard Hugo]]. After the block you left a brief note over at RW saying you were sorry to block me, and that the pages I'd been making were good. I really respected that, and I know that kind of treatment of others kept you from being included in the usual taunts and scorn brought to bear on folks like Karajou.

I am writing to say I am sorry to see you go. I respect you as a person, and an editor. Leaving CP in this manner is a brave move on your part, and I sincerely wish you the best. Maybe you can put in a good word for me with Andy so he doesn't call the CIA or FBI.

That said, in solidarity I will be discontinuing the use of any and all of my socks on CP. Currently that's about 4 users, so not a huge break for karajou, or Andy, but heartfelt, and sincere.

''To the greater CP community'', I think this should signal why this project will not work. In the end, it will never be completely safe from [[liberalism]] as its owner hopes. There is simply no way to create a static social system. People change, interpretations of history change, and perspectives broaden experience. This last point is something I think Dan just learned.

Respectfully,
FIippin

Talk:Chappaquiddick incident

2008-06-13T04:38:33Z

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There's no bridge that connects Chappaquiddick Island to Martha's Vineyard. That connection is made by the On-Time Ferry. The bridge that Senator Kennedy drove off of is at the end of Dike Road, which goes over Poucha Pond. I'd fix the entry, but I really think a Conservapedia regular should do that fix. --[[User:Elkman|Elkman]] 15:15, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

== Photo for Article ==

Could someone upload this one? [[User:Toshiro|Toshiro]] 00:13, 13 June 2008 (EDT) http://seaspook.blogspot.com/2007/08/hero-of-chappaquiddick.html
:No. That has nothing to do with this. [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 00:19, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
::The point was to treat the subject humorously. Please try and see that. It is very similar to the image from the B. Hussein page, http://www.conservapedia.com/Image:Punishment.jpg [[User:Toshiro|Toshiro]] 00:25, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
:::This is an encyclopedia. Go to the Obama talk page and complain about that image there. Thanks, [[User:HenryS|HenryS]] 00:35, 13 June 2008 (EDT)
::I wasn't complaining. I like that image and think this one is good too. If you don't like it, that's fine--I was simply putting it out there that this would be a good image for this, particular article. Best. [[User:Toshiro|Toshiro]] 00:38, 13 June 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Chappaquiddick incident

2008-06-13T04:25:00Z

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Talk:Chappaquiddick incident

2008-06-13T04:13:48Z

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Edward M. Kennedy

2008-06-12T11:14:36Z

Toshiro:

[[Image:Tedkennedy.jpg|right|thumb]]
'''Edward Moore ("Ted" or "Teddy") Kennedy''' (b. 1932) is the second longest-serving [[United States|U.S.]] [[Senator]], a [[Democrat]] from [[Massachusetts]]. His family has been a major part of the Democratic Party for almost 50 years, beginning with his older brothers President [[John F. Kennedy]] (assassinated in 1963) and [[Robert F. Kennedy]] (assassinated in 1968). Ted Kennedy was long assumed to become the Democratic nominee for president himself, but the [[Chappaquiddick]] scandal in 1969 caused him to delay his candidacy until 1980, when he was unable to overcome the power of incumbency enjoyed by Democratic President [[Jimmy Carter]]. Kennedy is sometimes reffered to as the [[Chappaquiddick|Hero of Chappaquiddick]]

Ted Kennedy has always represented the most [[liberal]] side of the Democratic Party, from support for taxpayer-funded abortion to same-sex marriage. Senator [[Robert Byrd]] defeated him for a leadership position (Majority Whip) in the Senate in 1971 and Kennedy has never served as Majority Leader. His political power behind the scenes is undisputed.

After being expelled from Harvard for cheating on exam, he served two years in the [[United States Army]] and subsequently graduated from Harvard in 1954.<ref>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/kennedys/timeline/timeline2.html</ref> He graduated from the University of Virginia law school in 1959. He is the father of Congressman [[Patrick J. Kennedy]].

==Chappaquiddick Scandal==
On July 18, 1969, Senator Kennedy drove away from a party on the island of Martha's Vineyard with an attractive young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne. In what he later described as an accident, Kennedy made an unusual turn and then drove his vehicle off a bridge connecting [[Chappaquiddick]] Island to Martha's Vineyard. The car landed in a pond, where Kopechne then drowned. Kennedy did not report the incident to the police until the next morning, and his statement then was implausible to many Americans.

This death became a national scandal and hurt Kennedy's image. He entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury, but did not serve any time in jail in a sentence criticized for its leniency towards a member of a prominent family. In an additional criticized decision, no autopsy was performed on Kopechne despite the presence of illegality and unanswered questions about her death.

==Presidential Campaign==
Kennedy was frequently mentioned as a possible Democratic presidential candidate in 1972 and 1976. However, he chose not to run due to his controversial past and claimed to have family concerns after his two brothers were assassinated. But in 1980 he decided to challenge incumbent President [[Jimmy Carter]] for the Democratic nomination. Though Carter was unpopular, Kennedy failed in his effort to supplant him as the party's nominee.

==U.S. Senate==
Kennedy has gained a reputation as a very [[liberal]] Senator, even further to the left than most Democrats. He has a pro-[[abortion]] voting record. He voted against confirming [[Samuel Alito]] to the [[Supreme Court of the United States]] and was in the minority of his own party to vote against confirming [[John Roberts]] to the Court. On [[immigration]] Kennedy has been a strong supporter of amnesty for [[illegal aliens]]. He voted against the war in [[Iraq]] and is also one of only five Senators who say they support same-sex marriage.

In addition to many other bills, Kennedy played a key role in the crafting the language in the [[No Child Left Behind]] Act of 2001 (Public Law 107-110), a massive [[education]] bill signed into law by Republican President [[George W. Bush]].

He is currently Chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, where the first bill he pushed through was an increase in the minimum wage by $2.10, to $7.25.

Kennedy's staff wrote much of the 2007 immigration bill, which failed by two votes for [[cloture]] despite support by President [[George W. Bush]].

On May 20, 2008, Kennedy was diagnosed with a brain tumor, which has since been operated upon, and which will receive chemotherapy and radiation treatments in the future.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External link==
*[http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/chappaquiddick.htm FBI FOIA Investigation on Chappaquiddick]

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Edward M. Kennedy

2008-06-12T11:14:04Z

Toshiro:

[[Image:Tedkennedy.jpg|right|thumb]]
'''Edward Moore ("Ted" or "Teddy") Kennedy''' (b. 1932) is the second longest-serving [[United States|U.S.]] [[Senator]], a [[Democrat]] from [[Massachusetts]]. His family has been a major part of the Democratic Party for almost 50 years, beginning with his older brothers President [[John F. Kennedy]] (assassinated in 1963) and [[Robert F. Kennedy]] (assassinated in 1968). Ted Kennedy was long assumed to become the Democratic nominee for president himself, but the [[Chappaquiddick]] scandal in 1969 caused him to delay his candidacy until 1980, when he was unable to overcome the power of incumbency enjoyed by Democratic President [[Jimmy Carter]]. Kennedy is sometimes reffered to as the [[Hero of Chappaquiddick|Chappaquiddick]]

Ted Kennedy has always represented the most [[liberal]] side of the Democratic Party, from support for taxpayer-funded abortion to same-sex marriage. Senator [[Robert Byrd]] defeated him for a leadership position (Majority Whip) in the Senate in 1971 and Kennedy has never served as Majority Leader. His political power behind the scenes is undisputed.

After being expelled from Harvard for cheating on exam, he served two years in the [[United States Army]] and subsequently graduated from Harvard in 1954.<ref>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/kennedys/timeline/timeline2.html</ref> He graduated from the University of Virginia law school in 1959. He is the father of Congressman [[Patrick J. Kennedy]].

==Chappaquiddick Scandal==
On July 18, 1969, Senator Kennedy drove away from a party on the island of Martha's Vineyard with an attractive young woman named Mary Jo Kopechne. In what he later described as an accident, Kennedy made an unusual turn and then drove his vehicle off a bridge connecting [[Chappaquiddick]] Island to Martha's Vineyard. The car landed in a pond, where Kopechne then drowned. Kennedy did not report the incident to the police until the next morning, and his statement then was implausible to many Americans.

This death became a national scandal and hurt Kennedy's image. He entered a plea of guilty to a charge of leaving the scene of an accident after causing injury, but did not serve any time in jail in a sentence criticized for its leniency towards a member of a prominent family. In an additional criticized decision, no autopsy was performed on Kopechne despite the presence of illegality and unanswered questions about her death.

==Presidential Campaign==
Kennedy was frequently mentioned as a possible Democratic presidential candidate in 1972 and 1976. However, he chose not to run due to his controversial past and claimed to have family concerns after his two brothers were assassinated. But in 1980 he decided to challenge incumbent President [[Jimmy Carter]] for the Democratic nomination. Though Carter was unpopular, Kennedy failed in his effort to supplant him as the party's nominee.

==U.S. Senate==
Kennedy has gained a reputation as a very [[liberal]] Senator, even further to the left than most Democrats. He has a pro-[[abortion]] voting record. He voted against confirming [[Samuel Alito]] to the [[Supreme Court of the United States]] and was in the minority of his own party to vote against confirming [[John Roberts]] to the Court. On [[immigration]] Kennedy has been a strong supporter of amnesty for [[illegal aliens]]. He voted against the war in [[Iraq]] and is also one of only five Senators who say they support same-sex marriage.

In addition to many other bills, Kennedy played a key role in the crafting the language in the [[No Child Left Behind]] Act of 2001 (Public Law 107-110), a massive [[education]] bill signed into law by Republican President [[George W. Bush]].

He is currently Chairman of the United States Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, where the first bill he pushed through was an increase in the minimum wage by $2.10, to $7.25.

Kennedy's staff wrote much of the 2007 immigration bill, which failed by two votes for [[cloture]] despite support by President [[George W. Bush]].

On May 20, 2008, Kennedy was diagnosed with a brain tumor, which has since been operated upon, and which will receive chemotherapy and radiation treatments in the future.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External link==
*[http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/chappaquiddick.htm FBI FOIA Investigation on Chappaquiddick]

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Hero of Chappaquiddick

2008-06-12T11:13:12Z

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#REDIRECT [[Ted Kennedy]]

Chappaquiddick incident

2008-06-12T11:12:51Z

Toshiro:

'''Chappaquiddick''' is the name of a small island, about six square miles, just off of [[Martha's Vineyard]] south of [[Cape Cod]], [[Massachusetts]]. Most of it is conservation land held by the Trustees of Reservations, a private organization.

It is most famous as the location of an event known as the "Chappaquiddick incident," "Chappaquiddick affair," or simply "Chappaquiddick." The narrow bridge connecting Chappaquiddick Island to Martha's Vineyard was the location of the death of a young woman [[Mary Jo Kopechne]] in a car driven by Senator [[Ted Kennedy]] on July 19, 1969. This became one of the most famous political events of the late 20th century and likely prevented Ted Kennedy, the brother of President John F. Kennedy, from ever becoming president himself.

This was the statement given by Ted Kennedy to Police Chief Dominick Arena the morning after the accident:

:"On July 18, 1969, at approximately 11:15 PM in Chappaquiddick, Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, I was driving my car on Main Street on my way to get the ferry back to Edgartown. I was unfamiliar with the road and turned right onto Dike Road, instead of bearing hard left on Main Street. After proceeding for approximately one-half mile on Dike Road I descended a hill and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge. There was one passenger with me, one Miss Mary ________ [Kennedy did not know how to spell the woman's last name], a former secretary of my brother Sen. [[Robert Kennedy]]. The car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and the window of the car but have no recollection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in a state of shock. I recall walking back to where my friends were eating. There was a car parked in front of the cottage and I climbed into the back seat. I then asked for someone to bring me back to Edgartown. I remember walking around for a period of time and then going back to my hotel room. When I fully realized what had happened this morning, I immediately contacted the police. <ref>http://www.ytedk.com/chapter6.htm</ref>

In 1979, a ''[[New York Times]]'' editorial observed:
:More important now than the loose ends of his unsatisfying accounts are the reasons they were left so loose. If Mr. Kennedy used his enormous influence to protect himself by leading a cover-up of misconduct—and the known facts lead to that suspicion—there would hang over him not just a cloud of tragedy, but of corruption, of the [[Watergate]] kind.<ref>"The Legacy of Chappaquiddick," ''The New York Times,'' November 7, 1979, p. A30</ref>

==Incident==
According to the testimony of the other party-goers, Kennedy left the party at around 11:15 or 11:30, and party guest [[Mary Jo Kopechne]] asked for a ride back to her hotel.<ref name="Bly"/> Kennedy drove his mother's 1967 Olds 88. A [[deputy]] sheriff later testified that he saw Kennedy's car on Dyke Road at 12:40 am, and that the driver sped off when he approached it.

According to Kennedy, he made a wrong turn onto an unlit dirt road that led to [[Dike Bridge]] (also spelled Dyke Bridge), a wooden bridge angled obliquely to the road with no guardrail, and drove over its side. The car plunged into tide-swept [[Poucha Pond]] (at that location a channel) and came to rest upside down underwater. Kennedy later recalled that he was able to swim free of the vehicle, but Kopechne was not. Kennedy claimed at the inquest that he called Kopechne's name several times from the shore, then tried to swim down to reach her seven or eight times, then rested on the bank for several minutes before returning on foot to Lawrence Cottage, where the party attended by Kopechne and other [["Boiler Room Girls"]] had occurred.

According to one commentator, his route back to the cottage would have taken him past four houses from which he could have telephoned and summoned help; however, he did not do so.

According to their later testimony, Gargan and party co-host Paul Markham then returned to the pond with Kennedy to try to rescue Kopechne. Both of the other men reported that they also tried to dive into the water and rescue Kopechne multiple times. When their efforts to rescue Kopechne failed, Kennedy claimed that he said to the others, "You take care of the other girls and I will take care of the accident". According to Gargan and Markham, they then returned to the cottage and told the women nothing, at Kennedy's request. According to Gargan and Markam's testimony, they assumed that Kennedy was going to inform the authorities once he got back to Edgartown, and thus did not do so themselves.

Kennedy decided to return to his hotel; however, the Edgartown-Chappaquiddick ferry (which connects Chappaquiddick to the rest of the island) had shut down for the night, so Gargan and Markham drove Kennedy to the ferry crossing and Kennedy then swam across the 500-foot channel, back to [[Edgartown, Massachusetts|Edgartown]], where he fell asleep on his hotel bed at around 2 am.

Back at his hotel, Kennedy complained at 2:55 am to the hotel owner that he had been awoken by a noisy party. By 7:30 am the next morning he was talking "casually" to the winner of the previous day's sailing race, with no indication that anything was amiss. At 8 a.m., Gargan and Markham joined Kennedy at his hotel where they had a "heated conversation", even though the ferry operator did not see them take the ferry to get to Edgartown. The three men subsequently crossed back to Chappaquidick Island on the ferry, where Kennedy made a series of phone calls from a payphone by the crossing to his friends for advice; he again did not report the accident to authorities.

Earlier that morning, two fishermen had seen the overturned car in the water and had called the police. A diver was sent down and discovered Kopechne's body. The diver later testified at the inquest that Kopechne's body was pressed up in the car in the spot where an air bubble would have formed. He interpreted this to mean that Kopechne had survived for a while after the initial accident in the air bubble, and concluded that {{cquote|Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of the accident occurring, and was able, as I was the following morning, to be at the victim's side within twenty-five minutes of receiving the call, in such event there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car. Police checked the car's license plate and saw that it was registered to Kennedy. When Kennedy, still at the pay phone by the ferry crossing, saw that the body had been discovered, he crossed back to Edgartown and went to the police station: Gargan simultaneously went to the hotel where the Boiler Room Girls were staying to inform them about the incident. Kennedy discussed the accident with several people, including his lawyer and Kopechne's parents, before discussing it with the police the next morning.

Ted Kennedy is still sometimes referred to sarcastically as the [[Hero of Chappaquiddick]].
==References==
<references/>

==External Links==
*[http://patriotpost.us/news/kopechne.asp Mary Jo Kopechne], The Patriot Post

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Left Behind

2008-06-12T10:41:27Z

Toshiro: Love these books

'''''Left Behind''''' is a novel by [[Tim Lahaye]] and [[Jerry Jenkins]].

The book deals with [[the Rapture]] occurring near the start of the book (all Christians being taken away into heaven by Jesus in a moment of time) and then goes into the impact on those who are left behind trying to find out what has happened, what will happen next, and what they can do as seen through the eyes of a few people who eventually come together to form a small group and prepare themselves for the coming [[The Tribulation|Tribulation]] and the rise of the [[Anti-Christ]].

The book struck a chord with the Christian community and – surprisingly for a [[Christian]] work – reached many non-Christians as well, selling over 15,000,000 copies. Although originally planned to be a three-book series, it was expanded to twelve books, culminating with the return of [[Christ]], and became one of the best selling series ever produced. The entire series sold over 63 million books.<ref>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_June_29/ai_n14706469</ref>

As is common with Christian works that become successful, it was given poor reviews by many critics for its Christian-specific themes instead of being more generic and all inclusive, a standard that is seldom applied to non-Christian works.

==Main Characters==
* Rayford Steele - 747 captain for Pan-Continental in his mid-forties. He is member, but non-attender at New Hope Village Church; Mount Prospect.
* Chloe Steele Williams, Rayford's daughter who is a student at Stanford University in her mid-twenties and skeptical of Christianity. Her mother and brother were taken to Heaven in the rapture. Chloe resides in California.
* Cameron "Buck" Williams ([[Kirk Cameron]] in the films)- journalist and senior writer for Global Weekly from New York who authors the Newsmaker of the Year story on Chaim Rosenzweig.
* Bruce Barnes - assistant pastor at New Hope Village Church in his mid-forties who must lead new congregation
* Joshua Todd-Cothran - international financier, head of London Stock Exchange
* Jonathan Stonagal - international financier and wealthiest man in history
* Ken Ritz - charter pilot
* Chaim Rosenzweig - Israeli botanist and statesman who discovers of a formula that makes Israeli deserts bloom; former Global Weekly Man of the Year.
* Steve Plank - publisher of the Global Weekly; old school journalist; Cameron's boss.
* Hattie Durham - flight attendant in her late twenties, works with Rayford at Pan-Continental.
* Nicolae Jetty Carpathia - president of Romania in his mid-thirties who was invited to speak at the United Nations.
* Stanton Bailey - publisher of Global Weekly.

==Film adaptation==
There is a series of film adaptations based on the books, with three parts released and another forthcoming.

==References==
<references/>

==See Also==

* [[Left Behind: Eternal Forces]]

[[Category:Books]]

Talk:Katakana

2008-06-12T10:20:52Z

Toshiro: New page: I just wanted to say, this is a very good page. Well done so far! ~~~~

I just wanted to say, this is a very good page. Well done so far! [[User:Toshiro|Toshiro]] 06:20, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Talk:American History Lecture Ten

2008-06-08T17:45:56Z

Toshiro: New page: Hi Andy. You mention in your lecture "Then, in 1929, the stock market suddenly crashed. The era of prosperity was over. The Great Depression had begun. Historians blame this partly on spec...

Hi Andy. You mention in your lecture "Then, in 1929, the stock market suddenly crashed. The era of prosperity was over. The Great Depression had begun. Historians blame this partly on speculators driving up the stock market, but actually no one really knows what the cause of the Depression was." Could you expand on how this suddenly came about? I was taught that a lot of liberal lending practices were to blame for this, but that doesn't seem to be your conclusion. Rather, if I'm reading this correctly, you make it look as though the conservatives in office couldn't forsee problems in the lending industry. I'm not trying to be too critical, but I think it could help students to understand how important conservative principles in lending can be. Thanks! [[User:Toshiro|Toshiro]] 13:45, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

User:Toshiro

2008-06-08T17:37:14Z

Toshiro: New page: Now my name is blue! Hello everyone.

Now my name is blue! Hello everyone.

Hollywood values

2008-06-06T21:05:20Z

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The phrase '''Hollywood values''' refers to the lack of [[morals]] and [[values]] in [[Hollywood]] culture, which is characterized by decadence, narcissism, rampant [[drug|drug use]], extramarital sex, sexually-transmitted [[disease]], lawlessness and death. A poll by MSNBC said that 60% of [[Americans]] agree that "Hollywood's values are not in line with the rest of America and that the quality of movies has dimished in recent years."<ref>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11714540/</ref>

Hollywood values can include a flagrant disrespect and disregard for:

* [[marriage]] and [[abstinence]]
* [[patriotism]]
* [[religion]]
* [[accountability]]
* family responsibilities, like childrearing<ref>[[Britney Spears]] "doesn't want [her] kids back." [http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132008/news/nationalnews/brit_doesnt_want_her_kids__1st_ex_97425.htm]</ref>
* laws that apply to everyone else
* normal behavioural boundaries and values of human decency

==Deaths ==
Hollywood values are deadly. Some examples include:<ref>http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=4174733&page=1</ref><ref>http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_18845.aspx</ref>
*[[John Barrymore]], 60, cirrhosis of the liver from heavy drinking
*[[Bix Beiderbecke]], 28, [[alcoholism]]
*[[John Belushi]], 33, was a repeated drug abuser who ultimately died of a lethal injection of cocaine and heroin
*[[Clara Blandick]], 81, suicide
*[[John Bonham]], 32, after too much drinking, asphyxiated on vomit
*[[Kurt Cobain]], 27, "turned to drugs and alcohol to help him cope," then committed suicide
*[[Karl Dane]], 47, suicide by gunshot
*[[James Dean]], 24, auto accident (see also crime, below)
*[[Eazy-E]], 31. [[AIDS]] contracted through drug use.
*[[Brian Epstein]], 32, overdosed on sleeping pills and alcohol
*[[Chris Farley]], 33, overdose of morphine and cocaine
*[[Judy Garland]], 47, overdosed on sleeping pills
*[[Margaux Hemingway]], 42, suicide
*[[Jimi Hendrix]], 27, an enthusisatic abuser of illegal drugs, choked on his own vomit after overdose of sleeping pills.
*[[Rock Hudson]], 59, AIDS
*[[Michael Hutchence]], 37, asphyxiated during an auto-erotic act while alone in a Sydney hotel. His wife, Paula Yates (see below), also fell victim to Hollywood Values.
*[[Richard Jeni]], 49, suicide<ref>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258231,00.html</ref>
*[[Janis Joplin]], 27, heroin overdose
*[[Rob Knox]], 18, star of a [[Harry Potter]] film, was stabbed to death during a fight after midnight in or outside a bar<ref>http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1204418.ece</ref><ref>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/05/24/international/i140113D92.DTL</ref>
*[[Heath Ledger]], 28, found dead in his [[Manhattan]] apartment. "Prescription sleeping pills and anti-anxiety pills were found in bottles in Ledger's bedroom and bathroom, and police have speculated the death was caused by an accidental drug overdose."<ref>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_en_ce/obit_ledger</ref> "Ledger died of an accidental overdose of painkillers, sleeping pills, anti-anxiety medication and other prescription drugs, the New York City medical examiner said Wednesday." <ref>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,328828,00.html</ref>
*[[Bruce Lee]] (Li Xiaolong), actor, 33, collapsed and died; cannabis found in bloodstream at post-mortem.
*[[Stuart Lubbock]], 31, found dead in the swimming pool of popular TV entertainer [[Michael Barrymore]], having suffered severe anal trauma, after a drug-fuelled party at the star's home
*[[Sal Mineo]], 37, murdered under circumstances that suggested "a homosexual motive"
*[[Marilyn Monroe]], 36, overdosed on sleeping pills
*[[Keith Moon]], drummer of [[The Who]], 32, overdose of Clomethiazole prescribed to treat his [[alcoholism]].
*[[Jim Morrison]], 27, died of an apparent heroin overdose
*[[Chris Penn]], 40, brother of [[Sean Penn]], "died accidentally from an enlarged heart and the effects of a mix of multiple medications"<ref>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/02/13/entertainment/e162146S51.DTL</ref>
*[[River Phoenix]], 23, died from an overdose cocaine and heroin
*[[Dana Plato]], 34, ''Diff'rent Strokes'' star, suicide by drugs overdose after posing for lesbian pornography.
*[[Elvis Presley]], 42, large drug intake causes a cardiac arrhythmia and rumoured to have suffocated on the carpet when he collpased from a drug overdose.
*[[Virginia Rappe]], 30, died of a ruptured bladder incurred at a party hosted by [[Roscoe Arbuckle]]
*[[George Reeves]], 45, suicide
*[[Brad Renfro]], 25, became addicted to heroin and was found dead after a night of drinking
*[[Anna Nicole Smith]], 39, accidental overdose on prescription drugs
*[[Sharon Tate]], 26, an actress with a [[hippie]] lifestyle who was murdered by followers of [[Charles Manson]], a [[Beatles]]-obsessed musician wannabee; Manson's followers murdered Tate, who was pregnant and only two weeks from birth, her unborn child, her prior lover, who was staying with her while her husband, paedophile movie producer [[Roman Polanski]] (see 'Crime', below), was away, and another unmarried couple staying in the house
*[[Lou Tellegen]], 52, suicide
*[[Sid Vicious]], 21. [[Heroin]] overdose while awaiting trial for his girlfriend's murder.
*[[Kenneth Williams]], 62, overdose.
*[[Natalie Wood]], 43. Drowned while intoxicated.
*[[Paula Yates]], 41, heroin overdose.

== Crime ==
Hollywood values often include being arrested or convicted for a variety of crimes. Here are some examples:

* [[Winona Ryder]] was convicted of convicted of vandalism and grand theft for stealing designer merchandise worth $5,560.40.<ref>http://www.courttv.com/trials/ryder/</ref>
* [[O.J. Simpson]] is widely believed to have murdered his wife and her friend, and was found liable in a civil (but not criminal) trial. He has since been arrested again on an unrelated charge.
* [[Paris Hilton]] was convicted of driving while intoxicated, and then violated the terms of her probation, leading to a 45-day prison sentence.<ref>[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18472845/ Paris Hilton sentenced to 45 days in jail], msnbc, May 4, 2007</ref>
*[[Hugh Grant]] was arrested in 1995 when found in a car with a prostitute.<ref>[http://www.mugshots.org/hollywood/hugh-grant.html]</ref>
*[[Stacy Keach]], movie actor, was sentenced to 9 months imprisonment in the [[United Kingdom]] in 1984 after being arrested at [[London]] [[Heathrow Airport]] in possession of a large quantity of [[cocaine]].
*[[Kiefer Sutherland]] was given a 48-day sentence for DUI in 2007, an offence committed while still on probation following a 2004 conviction for DUI.<ref>Sutherland is released from jail [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7200633.stm BBC]</ref>
*[[George Michael]] was convicted of "Committing a lewd act in public", having been arrested in a public restroom by a plain clothes police officer.<ref>Police confirm George Michael arrest [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/75904.stmBBC]</ref>
*[[Snoop Dogg]], a popular [[rap|rapper]], was arrested in 2006 for [[marijuana]] possession.
*[[Roman Polanski]], Polish-born film producer, is unable to return to Hollywood as he skipped bail and fled to [[France]] after being convicted in 1978 on charges of unlawful sexual intercourse with a thirteen-year old girl.
* Rapper DMX (Earl Simmons) was caught on camera drag racing at a speed over 110 miles on a freeway, and then a SWAT team was used to arrest him three days later on drug and animal cruelty charges. "The Maricopa County sheriff's office says the 37-year-old, whose real name is Earl Simmons, at first tried to barricade himself in his bedroom. He came out as a SWAT team entered during the early-morning raid Friday."<ref>http://news.aol.com/entertainment/music/music-news-story/ar/_a/dmx-arrested-on-animal-cruelty-charges/20080509163709990001</ref>
*[[Tatum O'Neal]] arrested in 2008 for [[cocaine]] possession. <ref>
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361361,00.html Tatum O'Neal Released After Drug Arrest], [[Associated Press]], ''[[Fox News Channel|Fox News]]'', June 02, 2008.</ref>
*[[James Dean]] displayed an unhealthy interest in a twelve-year-old boy. His former director Elia Kazan later commented: "I've known many actors who have been twisted up in their sex lives, but never anybody as sick and unhealthy as Dean was."

== Falsehoods ==

[[Hollywood values]] perpetuates [[liberal]]-driven falsehoods:

*[[Matthew Shepherd Fallacy]]
:Adherents to Hollywood values "green-lighted a troika of [[Matthew Shephard]] movies after he was senselessly killed because it affirmed their gut feeling that a gay young man living in backward America is destined for death at the hands of hateful ultraconservatives. A street in West Hollywood still stands in his name despite ABC News reporting the story false: He was killed by crazed meth addicts for drugs and money -- not because he was gay. Isn't that tragic enough? Yet Shepherd is still the icon of gay victims' rights, and the mistaken story of his "fate" soon thereafter befell Jake Gyllenhaal's character in "Brokeback Mountain." The Oscar statuette stands as the exclamation point.<ref>http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-dustup26sep26,0,1800794,full.story</ref>

*[[Inherit the Wind]]
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*[[George Clooney]]
:<multiple>
:In the film ''Ocean's Eleven,'' Clooney plays a debonair thief who robs a [[Las Vegas]] casino of more than a $100 million dollars. Instead of giving this money to the less fortunate, as Clooney believes we all should do, he keeps the money and prepares for the next crime.
:In the film ''the Peacemaker,'' Clooney is repeatedly seen using a gun for defense when he rejects this notion, in reality.

==Divorce==

*[[Elizabeth Taylor]] has been married eight (8) times.<ref>http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000072/bio</ref>
*[[Valerie Bertinelli]] said her divorce from [[Eddie Van Halen]] was caused by infidelity and drug use - by her too. She said she was "destroying my body," trying to keep up with a rock-star lifestyle. <ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332551,00.html Valerie Bertinelli About Divorce From Eddie Van Halen: 'I Wasn't An Angel Either'], [[Fox News Channel]], ''[[Associated Press]]'', February 26, 2008</ref>
*[[Zsa Zsa Gabor]] has been married nine (9) times.
*[[Mickey Rooney]] has been married eight (8) times, but has been with his last wife for 30 years after embracing religion and abandoning his previous lifestyle.
*[[Charlie Chaplin]] married four (4) times, including his marriage at the age of 54 to an 18-year-old bride.

== Offensive Behavior ==

* Trashing hotel rooms is a favorite form of offensive behavior by Hollywood types. Many examples are readily available on the [[internet]].<ref>See, e.g., [http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-dyn/content/article/2007/12/21/AR2007122101034.html]</ref>
*[[Mel Gibson]], who had started drinking again, was arrested after being stopped for driving at 84 mph in a 45 mph zone on a notoriously dangerous road in Malibu, California.<ref>''Mel Gibson apologizes after DUI arrest'' [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14080210/ Associated Press]</ref> A breathalyzer test confirmed he was drunk and next to him was an open bottle of Tequila; after being arrested he hurled Anti-Semitic abuse at a Jewish police officer.<ref>[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2292336,00.html Mel Gibson rants against Jews in drink-drive arrest], Times Online, July 30, 2006</ref>
*The parents of [[Miley Cyrus]], just 15 years old, allowed [[Annie Liebowitz]] to pose the starlet without a shirt or bra (aka [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/topless "topless"]) and with just a sheet covering her front for Vanity Fair magazine.<ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/28/business/media/28hannah.html?_r=1&oref=slogin</ref><ref>http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20195785,00.html</ref><ref>http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23608789-5001026,00.html</ref> "I took part in a photo shoot that was supposed to be 'artistic' and now, seeing the photographs and reading the story, I feel so embarrassed," Cyrus said Sunday in a statement through her publicist. "I never intended for any of this to happen and I apologize to my fans who I care so deeply about." <ref>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0</ref>
:"... a situation was created to deliberately manipulate a 15-year-old in order to sell magazines," a network statement said. <ref>http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gYLnT2kyPIgNUurQ71aNM3EJKpRAD90ARTGO0</ref>

== Rehab ==
Hollywood values often result in [[Celebrity|celebrities]] going into rehab. Here are some examples:

*[[Kirsten Dunst]] checked into the [[Cirque Lodge]] treatment facility in [[Utah]] after a week of hard partying at the [[Sundance Film Festival]], according to a source at the lodge, although the lodge's director of operations denies this. <ref name = "foxkirsten">
[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329545,00.html Reports Say Kirsten Dunst in Rehab; Rep for Facility Denies It], ''[[Fox News]]'', February 08, 2008</ref>

The following all checked into the above facility seeking treatment for various psychological problems:

*[[Lindsay Lohan]] <ref name = "foxkirsten"/>
*[[Eva Mendes]] <ref name = "foxkirsten"/>
*[[Mary-Kate Olsen]] <ref name = "foxkirsten"/>

== Hypocrisy ==

Hollywood personalities often propose legislation such as outlawing private gun ownership, or speak out against things such as anti-gun laws, but have at the same time acted in movies contrary to their public opinions:

* [[George Clooney]] on hearing that fellow actor and guns-rights advocate, [[Charlton Heston]], suffers from Alzheimer's disease, said: ''"I don't care. Charlton Heston is the head of the [[National Rifle Association]]. He deserves whatever anyone says about him."''<ref>http://www.funnyreign.com/quotes-georgeclooney.shtml</ref> Clooney starred in the film ''The Peacemaker'', in which he played an American military man defending the country from a nuclear attack; scenes in the film showed him using a gun to defend himself and others.

* [[Mark Wahlberg]] upon meeting Charlton Heston on the set of the remake of ''Planet of the Apes'', Wahlberg rudely told Heston, "It was very disturbing meeting you." Later, Wahlberg would have this to say at the MTV Movie Awards: ''"I believe Charlton Heston is America's best villain because he loves guns so much. Maybe he should get the award for being president of the National Rifle Association."''<ref>http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=2360</ref> Wahlberg's character in ''Planet of the Apes'' uses a gun to defend himself and other humans from the apes who would rule over them.

==Moral depravity==
*[[Woody Allen]] seduced and took pornographic photographs of the adolescent daughetr of his wife [[Mia Farrow]].

==Books==
* ''Hollywood Against America''
* ''Hollywood Babylon'' (1965) by Kenneth Anger (US edition)
* ''Hollywood Babylon II'' (1984) by Kenneth Anger

== References ==

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