Debate:Does modern music negatively influence children

2009-05-19T20:11:03Z

YECisLOL:

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A lot of conservative media claims that modern music is negatively influencing and corrupting children and teenagers. But does it really? And to what extent? [[User:MrGrieves|MrGrieves]] 06:33, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

==No==
No, I don't think so. I know that I, as an older teenager, listen to a lot of the bands that conservatives condemn, such as Rammstein, System of a Down and a lot of other heavy metal bands. Yes I think there are problems when musicians seem to be advocating immoral behaviour in their music or lifestyles, but I think that most bands only advocate behavoiur that conservatives see as immoral, rather then us liberals, so its often a matter of opinion or perception. So mayb youths are being "corrupted" from a conserative christian POV but from a liberal POV its just life. In that case its up the parents to be responsible about what they want their children hearing. [[User:Bolly|Bolly]] 10:41, 23 June 2008

Define a 'negative influence'. Anything can be defined as a negative influence. I could argue Republicans are a bad influence; after all, they encourage views outside my own, and therefore offend me. Suggesting listening to hip-hop will make me kill gang members, or that katy perrys song mentioned below will make me 'experiment' are ridiculous.

==Yes==
:Yes... *nods nods*. I usually drive a bit faster when listening to anything 160bpms or higher--though I never exceed 70 MPH on a major highway; speed limit = 65 MPH. Also, when I don't listen to music, I tend to pay more attention.
:Just an example:
:A rising female musician--not saying the name, but it's easy to guess--promotes "experimenting" in one of her songs. The song can easily become stuck in your head. The listener can begin to question, "Hmm, I wonder what that would be like?" Life continues... "the environment forms the creature" and the listener could possibly answer her question.
:[[User:NathanG|Nate]] 20:51, 22 June 2008 (EDT)
::Well first off, I don't see how experimenting is bad. Maybe if the listener has no idea how to practice safe sex due to their government-run schools not telling them anything but "OMG DONT HAVE SECKS OMG", causing them to do something stupid....but, uh...I digress. At any rate, I think that if someone, say, kills people because a Slayer song told them to, then that person '''already''' had a bit of a mental....issue. Or issues. Honestly, I think this hooplah about music causing kids to kill is just another example of dissasociating blame. --[[User:GunnerRecall|GunnerRecall]] 17:09, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
:::My school taught: "We suggest you practice safe sex... don't rape anyone." They also showed us teenagers some pretty disgusting [[Sexually Transmitted Disease|STI]] videos, along with describing childbirth. "(Premarital) Sex is disgusting" became my life-belief... and it still is my belief.
:::There was a study/experiment done with 72 lab mice. [http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Music/Mice_and_Music_Experiment_Mo.html I suggest you read just the first article] ^.^ [[User:NathanG|Nate]]<sup>[[User_talk:NathanG|because people listen to what I say?]]</sup> 17:16, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
"My favoite color is red, like the blood shed; from Kurt Cobain's head, when he shot himself dead; Women all grabbin at my shishkabob; Bought Lauryn Hill's tape so her kids could starve
(I can't stand white people!); You thought I was livid, now I'm even more so; S*** I got full blown AIDS and a sore throat. .... I wanna make songs all the fellas dub; And murder every rich rapper that I'm jealous of; So just remember when I bomb your set; Yo, I only cuss to make your mom upset." - Eminem, "Cum on Everybody". I believe I have made my point. [[User:NewCrusader|NewCrusader]] 18:13, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Debate: Why does God care if we worship Him or not? Is it His ego?

2009-05-19T20:06:34Z

YECisLOL:

I just thought it was strange that He would care whether or not we go to church and worship Him when He is all powerful. Surely He would just be happy with us living good lives and not require us to worship and believe in Him in order to get in to heaven when we die.

:I find this question mostly offensive. The Devil believes in God but no way will Heaven accept the Devil. 'He is all powerful' think about it. God could have destroyed us all for our sins and started over but God loves us more than we know. We are alive thanks to God, we are here for God. It has nothing to do with ego and everything to do with love. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 10:59, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

:If we suppose ourselves to know the mechanisms of God, then why would it be still God? The answer is, we can't, and we probably are not supposed to know how God works. [[User:FrankK|FrankK]] 19:02, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I am not trying to be offensive here. I am not questioning whether or not God is worthy of our praise and worship, the magnificence of His creation clearly demonstrates that He is. I merely have trouble with the idea that God would demand from us recognition of His great deeds, why would he be looking for anything in return from us when we were created, except for us to go about life in a just way. Why would God need our worship and praise when He knows Himself that He is right and doesn't need us to convince Him? His actions are selfless and out of love for us. Claiming that He cares about whether we worship Him or not implies that He acts not out of love for us but out of a love of being praised.
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:That is blasphemy. The Bible is clear that we are to praise the Lord for his love and creation. Do not presume to know the mind of God, for that is hubris. [[User:ISharma|ISharma]] 14:52, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

The argument "God could have destroyed us but he didn't so we should love him" is like saying "My husband could have beaten me but he doesn't so I should love him"
In other words, your love for god is based on threats that he may destroy you.
And the statement made by FranK confirms why Creationism is not scientific.

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Debate:Does modern music negatively influence children

Debate: Why does God care if we worship Him or not? Is it His ego?