Atheists and conflict resolution - Revision history

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Conservative at 23:41, December 15, 2022

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‎Atheistic communism and mass murder/torture

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‎Atheism and mass murder

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‎James S. Spiegal and unforgiveness as a cause of atheism

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 The atheist Neil Carter wrote: "Friends of mine have noted lately how biting and critical the atheist community can be, not only toward outsiders, but even toward its own members. Has there ever been a subculture more prone to eating its own than this one? I really don’t know."<ref>[http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2016/06/12/its-past-time-for-atheism-to-grow-up/ It’s Past Time for Atheism to Grow Up] by Neil Carter</ref>
-[[Blair Scott]]  served on the [[American Atheists]] board of directors. Mr. Scott formerly served as a State Director for the [[American Atheists]] organization in the state of [[Alabama]]. On December 1, 2012 he quit his post as a director of outreach for the American Atheist due to infighting within the American [[atheist movement]].<ref name="An Open Letter from Blair Scott">Former 2012 web page at Atheist.org website entitled "An Open Letter from Blair Scott"</ref>
+[[Blair Scott]]  served on the [[American Atheists]] board of directors. Mr. Scott formerly served as a State Director for the [[American Atheists]] organization in the state of [[Alabama]]. On December 1, 2012, he quit his post as a director of outreach for the American Atheist due to infighting within the American [[atheist movement]].<ref name="An Open Letter from Blair Scott">Former 2012 web page at Atheist.org website entitled "An Open Letter from Blair Scott"</ref>
 Mr. Blair wrote: "I have spent the last week mulling over what I want to do at this point in the movement. I’m tired of the in-fighting: at every level. I am especially tired of allowing myself to get sucked into it and engaging in the very behavior that is irritating..me."<ref name="An Open Letter from Blair Scott">Former 2012 web page at Atheist.org website entitled "An Open Letter from Blair Scott"</ref>
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 Using special text analysis software, the social psychologist Jonathan Haidt found that new atheists very often wrote in dogmatic terms in their major works using words such as  “always,” “never,” “certainly,” “every,” and “undeniable.”<ref>[http://www.thisviewoflife.com/index.php/magazine/articles/why-sam-harris-is-unlikely-to-change-his-mind10 Why Sam Harris is Unlikely to Change his Mind] by JONATHAN HAIDT, February 3, 2014 8:36 pm</ref>  Of the 75,000 words in new atheist [[Sam Harris]]' ''The End of Faith'', 2.24% of them connote or are associated with certainty.<ref>[http://www.thisviewoflife.com/index.php/magazine/articles/why-sam-harris-is-unlikely-to-change-his-mind10 Why Sam Harris is Unlikely to Change his Mind] by JONATHAN HAIDT, February 3, 2014 8:36 pm</ref>
-Springerlink indicates in the abstract for ''New Atheism, Open-Mindedness, and Critical Thinking'' by Christopher R. Cotter (first presented at the ''(New) Atheism, Scientism, and Open-Mindedness'' Conference, Lancaster University, April 3, 2012 and the Workshop for the Interdisciplinary Study of Religion and Culture, University of Edinburgh, April 25, 2012):
+Springerlink indicates in the abstract for ''New Atheism, Open-Mindedness, and Critical Thinking'' by Christopher R. Cotter (first presented at the ''(New) Atheism, Scientism, and Open-Mindedness'' Conference, Lancaster University, April 3, 2012, and the Workshop for the Interdisciplinary Study of Religion and Culture, University of Edinburgh, April 25, 2012):
 {{Cquote|A common theme throughout the writings of [[Richard Dawkins]], [[Daniel Dennett]], Sam Harris, and the late [[Christopher Hitchens]] is the importance of ‘[[critical thinking]]’. Not only do these authors believe that they themselves are critical thinkers, they also advocate critical thinking as a key element in their idealized atheistic future. This chapter has been written to assess the veracity of their claims to critical thinking in their engagements with ‘religion’, via an engagement with related literature on ‘open-mindedness,’ particularly the work of William Hare and Harvey Siegel. An analysis of this nature is not merely of academic interest, but is of great importance given the popularity of their books both within and outside the atheistic milieu, the near-canonical status that they have achieved, and the effects of their rhetoric upon the beliefs and practices of individuals in the ‘real’ world. The argument in this chapter flows sequentially through delineations of the concepts of ‘open-mindedness’ and ‘critical thinking’, and a demonstration of the New Atheists’ valorization of critical thinking, before discussing open-mindedness as a constituent part of critical thinking, and then building a three stage argument to demonstrate that the New Atheists are not open-minded, and that therefore they are not critical thinkers (in the context of their most popular considerations of ‘religion’).<ref>[https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-54964-4_3 ''New Atheism, Open-Mindedness, and Critical Thinking]'' by Christopher R. Cotter</ref>}}
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 The  [[Saint Paul|Apostle Paul]] declared about [[Christianity|Christians]] resolving disputes among themselves rather than using the civil courts: "When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?" (1 Corinthians 6:1).
-Atheists have no authoritive source of information which discourages litigious behavior against fellow atheists. The only thing that mitigates the amount of atheist lawsuits is that most atheists tend to be apathetic regarding their atheism and thus atheists participation in [[atheist organizations]] is rather small and thus there is less conflict about property held by many atheists (see: [[Atheism and apathy]]). In addition, due to significant conflict among atheists, fundraising by atheist organizations is significantly down so the amount of wealth held by atheist organizations makes them less inviting in terms of potential lawsuits (See: [[Atheist organizations and fundraising]]).
+Atheists have no authoritative source of information which discourages litigious behavior against fellow atheists. The only thing that mitigates the amount of atheist lawsuits is that most atheists tend to be apathetic regarding their atheism and thus atheists participation in [[atheist organizations]] is rather small and thus there is less conflict about property held by many atheists (see: [[Atheism and apathy]]). In addition, due to significant conflict among atheists, fundraising by atheist organizations is significantly down so the amount of wealth held by atheist organizations makes them less inviting in terms of potential lawsuits (See: [[Atheist organizations and fundraising]]).
 In addition, not possessing a [[Religion and morality|religious basis for morality]], which can provide a basis for [[objective morality]], atheism is fundamentally [[Moral relativism|incapable]] of providing a coherent system of [[morality]].<ref>

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 [[File:David Silverman Reason Rally.jpg|thumbnail|right|250px|In 2018, [[David Silverman]] said about his fellow atheists: "Lots and lots of division [[Decline of the atheist movement|in our movement]]. Hard, bad division... And that has resulted in a [[Atheist factions|splintering and factioning of the movement]] that I have never seen before and none of us have."<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8VYLMYvImc David Silverman - How the Mighty Get Back Up]</ref>]]
-There is a lot of internal conflict within the [[atheist population]] in the [[Western World]] (see: [[Atheist factions]] and [[Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence|Atheism and social skills]]).
+There is a lot of internal conflict within the [[atheist population]] in the [[Western World]] (see: [[Atheist factions]] and [[Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence|Atheism and social skills]]). See also: [[Conflict resolution]]
 Furthermore, an important aspect of [[conflict resolution]] is being [[Open-mindedness|open-minded]] enough to view the conflict objectively and from the other person's point of view. There is [[social science]] research indicating that [[atheism|atheists]] are less open-minded (see: [[Atheism and open-mindedness]]).

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 There is a lot of internal conflict within the [[atheist population]] in the [[Western World]] (see: [[Atheist factions]] and [[Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence|Atheism and social skills]]).
-Furthermore, an important aspect of conflict resolution is being [[Open-mindedness|open-minded]] enough to view the conflict objectively and from the other person's point of view. There is [[social science]] research indicating that [[atheism|atheists]] are less open-minded (see: [[Atheism and open-mindedness]]).
+Furthermore, an important aspect of [[conflict resolution]] is being [[Open-mindedness|open-minded]] enough to view the conflict objectively and from the other person's point of view. There is [[social science]] research indicating that [[atheism|atheists]] are less open-minded (see: [[Atheism and open-mindedness]]).
 In addition, there is no strong basis for forgiveness under an [[atheist worldview]] (see: [[Atheism and forgiveness]]).

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−	[[File:David Silverman Reason Rally.jpg\|thumbnail\|right\|~~200px~~\|In 2018, [[David Silverman]] said about his fellow atheists: "Lots and lots of division [[Decline of the atheist movement\|in our movement]]. Hard, bad division... And that has resulted in a [[Atheist factions\|splintering and factioning of the movement]] that I have never seen before and none of us have."<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8VYLMYvImc David Silverman - How the Mighty Get Back Up]</ref>]]	+	[[File:David Silverman Reason Rally.jpg\|thumbnail\|right\|250px\|In 2018, [[David Silverman]] said about his fellow atheists: "Lots and lots of division [[Decline of the atheist movement\|in our movement]]. Hard, bad division... And that has resulted in a [[Atheist factions\|splintering and factioning of the movement]] that I have never seen before and none of us have."<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8VYLMYvImc David Silverman - How the Mighty Get Back Up]</ref>]]
	There is a lot of internal conflict within the [[atheist population]] in the [[Western World]] (see: [[Atheist factions]] and [[Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence\|Atheism and social skills]]).		There is a lot of internal conflict within the [[atheist population]] in the [[Western World]] (see: [[Atheist factions]] and [[Atheism and social/interpersonal intelligence\|Atheism and social skills]]).

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 The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole [[Atheism and Hell|Hell-bound lot]]. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.
-Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!<ref>[[Vox Day]], ''The Irrational Atheist: Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens'' (Dallas, TX: BenBella Books, Inc.), 2008, p. 17.</ref><ref>Ammi, Ken (June 11, 2009).  [https://creation.com/atheism#atheism-communism "Atheism [quoting Vox Day&#93;"].  Creation Ministries International.  Retrieved on July 19, 2014.</ref>}}
+Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!<ref>Vox Day (Theodore Beale), ''The Irrational Atheist: Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens'' (Dallas, TX: BenBella Books, Inc.), 2008, p. 17.</ref><ref>Ammi, Ken (June 11, 2009).  [https://creation.com/atheism#atheism-communism "Atheism [quoting Vox Day&#93;"].  Creation Ministries International.  Retrieved on July 19, 2014.</ref>}}
 === Explanatory link between secular leftism and mass murder ===

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 *Higgins, David (June 22, 2007).  [https://web.archive.org/web/20071008035420/http://www.sarasotamagazine.com/blog/template_permalink.asp?id=365 "Memory and ideology: Washington's newest statue is the Victims Of Communism Memorial"].  Sarasota Magazine website.  Retrieved from October 8, 2007 archive at Internet Archive on May 22, 2015.
 *Radosh, Ronald (February 2000).  [http://www.firstthings.com/article.php3?id_article=2526 "''The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression''"]. First Things [journal] website.  Retrieved July 19, 2014.</ref> Dr. R. J. Rummel, professor emeritus of political science at the University of Hawaii, is the scholar who first coined the term democide (death by government). Dr. R. J. Rummel's mid estimate regarding the loss of life due to communism is that communism caused the death of approximately 110,286,000 people between 1917 and 1987.<ref>Rummel, R. J. (November 1993).  [http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM "How many did communist regimes murder?"]  University of Hawaii website; Freedom, Democracy, Peace; Power, Democide, and War.  Retrieved July 19, 2014.</ref>
+[[File:Stalin-140508 27880t.jpg|right|201px|thumb|[[Joseph Stalin]]'s atheistic regime killed tens of millions of people.]]
 Theodore Beale notes concerning atheism and mass murder:
 {{cquote|Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …

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 === James S. Spiegal and unforgiveness as a cause of atheism ===
-[[File:The Conversion of St Paul by Nicolas-Bernard Lepicie, 1767.JPG|thumb|150px|right|The Conversion of St. Paul by Nicolas-Bernard Lepicie, 1767.]]
 ''See also:'' [[Causes of atheism]] and [[Atheism and bitterness]] and
 [[Atheism and love]]

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 === Atheist Heman Mehta on the Richard Carrier lawsuit against Freethought blog, The Orbit and the Skepticon conference ===
-''See also:'' [[Richard Carrier's lawsuits against fellow atheists]]
+''See also:'' [[Richard Carrier's lawsuits|Richard Carrier's lawsuits against fellow atheists]]
 [[File:Hemant Mehta at Skepticon 7.jpg|thumbnail|left|200px|[[Hemant Mehta]] ]]

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 In addition, there is no strong basis for forgiveness under an [[atheist worldview]] (see: [[Atheism and forgiveness]]).
-Also, conflict resolution between atheists which uses the secular/civil authorities can be lengthy and expensive (see also: [[Richar Carrier's lawsuits|Richard Carrier's lawsuits against fellow atheists]]).
+Also, conflict resolution between atheists which uses the secular/civil authorities can be lengthy and expensive (see also: [[Richard Carrier's lawsuits|Richard Carrier's lawsuits against fellow atheists]]).
 Most atheists are likely [[East Asia]]ns (see: [[Asian atheism]]). Mainland [[China]] which has [[state atheism]] and has the largest [[atheist population]] in the world, is increasingly being aggressive/belligerent towards its neighbors and making Indo-Pacific dialogue among nations in the region more difficult.<ref>[https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/chinas-belligerence-casts-shadow-over-maiden-indo-pacific-dialogue/articleshow/68435507.cms China's belligerence casts shadow over maiden Indo-Pacific dialogue], ''Economic Times''</ref> See: [[China and atheism]] and [[Atheism and world peace]]